00:00.15 | PlotVitalNPC | Just because manually setting up every individual wifi network sounds kinda painful |
00:00.35 | PlotVitalNPC | I don't need to do anything to the manual config for eth0 as a result of opting for wicd, do I? |
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00:03.15 | fsmithred | I would comment out the eth0 entry and let wicd handle the wired connection |
00:03.28 | fsmithred | that's what I do with my laptop |
00:04.15 | fsmithred | actually, no it's not. I forgot. I set it up so I have to change runlevel to get wicd to work. |
00:04.57 | fsmithred | but did that for other reasons. Just letting wicd handle it is easiest. |
00:05.19 | fsmithred | There's also network-manager-gnome if you prefer that. |
00:05.43 | PlotVitalNPC | Oh nice, wicd kept its settings from before the attempt to switch from xfce (a desktop environment I specifically didn't want when I ran the netinstaller) to mate (the desktop environment I asked the devuan netinstaller for) somehow uninstalled it or something |
00:06.57 | fsmithred | Those are stored in /var/lib/wicd/configurations/ |
00:07.25 | PlotVitalNPC | Well, now it's time to see if I can get this thing to actually open up into mate rather than only being able to get it to the display manager after logging in using startx |
00:08.21 | PlotVitalNPC | also probably to figure out what display manager I even have, because I thought it was lightdm but that conspicuously isn't installed |
00:09.40 | PlotVitalNPC | ...startx wouldn't work if I didn't have a display manager, right? |
00:10.43 | PlotVitalNPC | Or is the x window system able to run totally independently of that? |
00:11.48 | fsmithred | startx is what you use if you aren't using a display manager |
00:11.57 | fsmithred | is lightdm installed? or slim? |
00:12.10 | PlotVitalNPC | Just installed lightdm |
00:12.33 | PlotVitalNPC | I think I understand what happened that made mate stop working, now: when I uninstalled xfce it also uninstalled lightdm |
00:12.49 | fsmithred | xfce comes with slim |
00:13.07 | PlotVitalNPC | or slim, as the case may be |
00:13.07 | fsmithred | but if you removed xfce, then it probably removed almost everything else |
00:13.15 | fsmithred | because of metapackages |
00:13.37 | fsmithred | I guess we better make sure the next set of isos lets you install mate without xfce |
00:13.56 | fsmithred | brb |
00:15.18 | PlotVitalNPC | Woo, I'm finally back into beautiful, legible to my windows-raised pleb eyes, mate |
00:15.46 | PlotVitalNPC | With internet access |
00:16.51 | PlotVitalNPC | Thanks again to all of you wonderful wizards who helped me to fix this thing |
00:16.56 | fsmithred | yw |
00:17.37 | IanJ | Glad you're back up and running PlotVitalNPC :) |
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00:25.13 | aitor__ | hi, PlotVitalNPC |
00:26.02 | aitor__ | fsmithred: tomorrow i'll send you the tarball of the live-sdk |
00:26.18 | fsmithred | ok, thanks |
00:26.23 | aitor__ | working on chimaera/ceres |
00:26.38 | fsmithred | very good |
00:27.19 | aitor__ | today i built an image of ceres, but this afternoon debian sid changed the kernel from 5.9.0-3 to 5.9.0-4 and there are no .udeb kernel modules for the installer so far |
00:28.04 | fsmithred | that's a recurrent problem |
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00:28.34 | aitor__ | yes, glibc needs a change in its .udeb package for i386, or maybe the sources of d-i |
00:29.56 | aitor__ | imho, the symlink located in /lib, named ld-linux.so.2 and pointing to ld-2.28.so should be moved tl /lib32 |
00:30.16 | aitor__ | *to |
00:30.54 | fsmithred | beyond my knowledge |
00:32.36 | aitor__ | this symlink causes a failure building d-i; in amd64 we have /lib64/ld-linux.so.2. On the other hand syslinux needs a patch taken from ceres to build with gcc-10 |
00:32.49 | aitor__ | which is the best place for reporting this bugs? |
00:33.21 | fsmithred | you could try devuan-installer |
00:33.46 | fsmithred | I don't know if it's our responsibility or debian |
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00:34.37 | aitor__ | it's a common issue |
00:36.38 | fsmithred | bgstack15 is building our installer isos now, but I don't think he's started with chimaera yet |
00:37.04 | fsmithred | LeePen is the one who builds debian-installer (devuan-installer) |
00:37.35 | aitor__ | yes, i read the control file |
00:38.58 | aitor__ | today i tried to simplify the code of the live-sdk as much as possible, but i prefer to test it in depth before sending it to you |
00:39.10 | fsmithred | ok |
00:39.21 | aitor__ | time to bed, see you tomorrow |
00:39.27 | fsmithred | sleep well |
00:39.38 | aitor__ | thanks, bye :) |
00:57.16 | PlotVitalNPC | Now, thanks to all the help I got here, my laptop is finally ready for the main task I set out to rehabilitate it for a few days ago after a scare with my desktop: |
00:57.43 | PlotVitalNPC | Being a backup access point to my online and academic life |
00:58.44 | PlotVitalNPC | Even if this old thinkpad can, by no means, dream of running qgis, which is the closest FLOSS to the professional software I'm trained in the use of. |
00:59.50 | PlotVitalNPC | I really wish that the industry standard for GIS work wasn't the bloated proprietary piece of shit ESRI pushes. |
01:01.50 | clort | +1 PlotVitalNPC |
01:02.34 | clort | most commercial software is a racket |
01:02.41 | clort | enforced by cartel tactics |
01:05.18 | PlotVitalNPC | Hell, I'm going to see if it's even technically capable of making qgis run |
01:05.30 | PlotVitalNPC | Because if so that'd be the first actual benchmark I've done for this thing |
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01:13.19 | PlotVitalNPC | Well, not sure how the thing would run doing actual analysis in qgis |
01:13.24 | PlotVitalNPC | but the program does open |
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01:19.45 | PlotVitalNPC | It'd probably be pretty slow on the actual data analysis and processing part, because it's low spec (due to the device compatibility limitations of libreboot), but I think it's *usable* for GIS work in a technical sense. |
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13:45.20 | unixbsd | is module ufs.ko on devuan arm/aarch64 for raspberry rpi3 ? |
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14:30.14 | CA_RIA | Hello, thank you for this beautiful distro. Can anyone help ? |
14:31.13 | DHE | with? |
14:32.04 | CA_RIA | I have been using Devuan and Void linux. I have been using Devuan Beowulf. I need help regarding laptop power saving, to configure tlp. |
14:32.16 | CA_RIA | Actually tlp is not working as it should be. |
14:32.32 | CA_RIA | It's not working at all. |
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14:50.56 | rann | hi all, quick question: can devuan be used/installed on a Raspberry Pi 3+ or 4? Any guides available? |
14:52.05 | fsmithred | rann, there's #devuan-arm and there's a forum section for arm: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=24 |
14:52.56 | ShorTie | sure it can, i use a raspi.list too |
14:54.05 | rann | THANKS |
14:57.36 | ShorTie | workin on a Gentoo-imager now, lol. |
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15:21.42 | avbox111 | I have a asus transformer 2in1 tablet. In devuan ascii, I managed easily to rotate the screen with xrandr -o right and xrandr -o normal, in devuan ascii, it does too rotate but after rotating the right part of the screen is not any longer accessible for mouse, trackpad and touchscreen. Any ideas? |
15:22.19 | avbox111 | Have to add, only the right click is not any longer accessible, left one works. |
15:24.03 | avbox111 | need to add that in beowulf it does not any longer work |
15:39.54 | MinceR | is that clicking via touchscreen? touchscreen input can also be rotated and in my experience usually needed to be |
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16:14.38 | clort | avbox111: i dunno the cause of that, but maybe comparing xorg / xserver versions between the two |
16:14.45 | clort | or the installed drivers |
16:14.59 | clort | it's nice to have two system partitions for these kinds of a/b comparisions |
16:15.36 | buZz | i bet its the windowmanager thats blocking the rotation of input devices |
16:16.13 | clort | oh reading more carefully, buzz is probably right |
16:18.20 | avbox111 | clort: Just at this moment, I at least am able to start it correctly while putting it in xorg.conf, there I can add under Montor: Option "Rotate" "right" and Option "PreferredMode" "1280x800", so at least it starts correctly. randr -o right and randr -o normal still dont work, but if I do an killall Xorg, then it does start correct again. |
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19:54.51 | onefang | After a quick bit of research, it looks like nftables is preferable to iptables. I'm migrating from ASCII to Beowulf, and I use shorewall, but it looks like shorewall isn't gonna shift over to nftables. So I'm looking for an nftables alternative to shorewall, and one that works well with fail2ban. |
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20:51.29 | onefang | Any suggestions? |
20:52.11 | onefang | Debian seems to be heading in the "use firewalld" direction. |
21:04.37 | hagbard_ | Well, nfttables has replaced iptaples, but iptables is still there and works like it always did. |
21:06.09 | tuxd3v | hagbard_ ...thanks god its still there, don't know for how much time, unfortunately |
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21:29.12 | onefang | That's why I'm looking at moving to nftables. iptables is going away eventually. |
21:30.15 | user____1 | Hi. Does anyone know if HP is "killing" Samsung printers now that they bought them out? I see no new Samsung printers coming out. Am using a cheap Samsung laser with devuan, would like to know if it's an EOL issue. Stock up on toner spares and so on in case it is. |
21:35.18 | user____1 | [related] 2016 info https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/12/12886498/samsung-selling-printer-business-hp |
21:35.54 | user____1 | also, is there a jitsi howto for devuan already? There was a lot of discussion on here about it these days, I'd expect someone to write up the conclusions in the wiki? No? |
21:46.41 | gnarface | i didn't hear the conclusion about the jitsi thing either, i was assuming they couldn't make it work so they changed to other software.... |
21:47.05 | gnarface | the printer question, you're probably asking in the wrong place in two regards |
21:48.12 | gnarface | i just got a brother printer that can emulate HP printers, and works great with the same drivers my old HP laserjet used |
21:48.42 | gnarface | (they have proprietary drivers that are supposed to work but they get mixed feedback_ |
21:48.43 | gnarface | ) |
21:49.07 | gnarface | didn't even know samsung made printers |
21:49.35 | gnarface | but i don't think this is a printing-heavy crowd to begin with |
21:49.53 | gnarface | most of us have made every effort to go as paper-free as possible decades ago, just because it's easier that way |
21:50.23 | onefang | I haven't owned any printers for 20 years. |
21:50.39 | gnarface | i have always had one but i use it about once a year, to once every other year |
21:53.31 | gnarface | (once phones could draw maps i stopped having to print them every time i left the house) |
21:58.46 | user____1 | I use the printer for proof printing pcb artwork. |
21:58.55 | user____1 | On plastic sheet. |
21:59.17 | user____1 | Samsung was/is the oem for Xerox printers (low end) among others. Aka "Phaser" line. |
21:59.56 | user____1 | Now that Samsung printers belong to hp I assume Xerox will have to look elsewhere for print engines. Hp being a direct competitor in the copier market. |
22:00.47 | user____1 | The small Phasers were basically 1:1 with Samsung models, excepting for branding, and toner chip codes. |
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22:03.24 | gnarface | not knocking it, just saying you might want to ask that in a channel where the people have more printers |
22:04.29 | user____1 | sure |
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22:11.15 | golinux | Or ask in offtopic channel |
22:11.48 | user____1 | sure will. |
22:11.57 | user____1 | moving on, past midnight here |
22:12.00 | user____1 | bye, thanks |
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23:43.05 | Xenguy | onefang: I used shorewall for some years, and thought it was quite well done (except for whenever they released a new version, you had to adjust the config every time) |
23:44.34 | Xenguy | I'm not sure you're going to get something as good as shorewall for nftables so soon. If you find something, I'd be interested in hearing about it. I wonder if the shorewall devs have any plans to migrate over to nftables? |
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