| 00:00.02 | n4dir | When it was updated due to installing firmware-misc-nonfree i got the messsage about module r8169 |
| 00:00.22 | rwp | It seems likely to me that the missing rtl8125a-3.fw firmware warning was also there before but just wasn't noticed. |
| 00:00.26 | tuxd3v | do one thing: |
| 00:00.41 | tuxd3v | as root: 'update-initramfs -u' |
| 00:01.55 | n4dir | and then? |
| 00:02.20 | tuxd3v | and then you can reboot and check that the warning disapeared :) |
| 00:02.21 | rwp | If that rebuilt the latest initramfs for the latest installed kernel then reboot to it. |
| 00:02.54 | n4dir | why would it disapear? |
| 00:03.08 | rwp | Firmware blogs are loaded in the initramfs. |
| 00:03.17 | tuxd3v | because the initramfs was updated on new boot up? |
| 00:03.28 | tuxd3v | and the firmware was loaded? |
| 00:03.31 | tuxd3v | :) |
| 00:03.31 | n4dir | i didn't do any changes regarding r8169 |
| 00:04.09 | rwp | ??: apt-get install firmware-realtek |
| 00:04.11 | fsmithred | I don't have the file it wants in beowulf, and I have firmware-realtek installed. |
| 00:04.23 | n4dir | for heavens sake, firmware-realtek is installed all the time |
| 00:05.25 | fsmithred | $ apt-cache show firmware-realtek | grep 8125 |
| 00:05.25 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.36 | fsmithred | ^^^ in chimaera, but not in beowulf |
| 00:05.38 | rwp | Hmm... It is in firmware-realtek 20200918-1 in ceres. |
| 00:06.11 | tuxd3v | fsmithred, that would explain it indeed :) |
| 00:06.27 | fsmithred | n4dir, get it from beowulf-backports |
| 00:06.30 | rwp | So the hardware is too new for the beowulf kernel. You will want a backport. |
| 00:06.54 | fsmithred | probaby want the kernel from backports, too |
| 00:07.33 | n4dir | ok, that removed it, thanks fsmithred |
| 00:07.39 | n4dir | it : the warning |
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| 01:14.05 | e3d3 | I'm planning to install Devuan and started reading the release notes, as advised. It talks about GPG keys requirements, but I never encountered those before. Do I really have to study encryption and other low level stuff etc to install Devuan ? |
| 01:14.48 | fsmithred | no, if you use one of the installer isos, you will have the key automatically |
| 01:15.07 | e3d3 | pff, that's good to hear, thank you |
| 01:15.18 | fsmithred | have you ever installed debian? |
| 01:15.51 | fsmithred | it's the same installer |
| 01:15.57 | e3d3 | many times, using many different variants, this pc runs a puppy debian OS. |
| 01:16.41 | fsmithred | you should be fine |
| 01:17.59 | e3d3 | fsmithred: I also installed Devuan before, but only to look and test a little. I was woried that I run in the forced encryption-study when I start using Devuan as my primairy OS. |
| 01:18.49 | e3d3 | another question: I'm planning to install Bedrock Linux in Devuan. Do you know any common issues with this ? |
| 01:19.45 | fsmithred | I don't know. Someone does. |
| 01:19.56 | fsmithred | check forum or mailing list |
| 01:20.01 | fsmithred | dng mailing list |
| 01:20.23 | fsmithred | dev1galaxy.org forum |
| 01:21.41 | e3d3 | np, I didn't search for this on Devuan's side but I will. Before I didn't read what it advised. I'll do know but hope to prevent to much scary side-references, e.g. encryption etc. Thanks for the links, and your kind help. |
| 01:22.04 | e3d3 | what it advised = what is advised |
| 01:22.22 | e3d3 | know = now |
| 01:22.24 | fsmithred | for bedrock? I have no idea. |
| 01:22.41 | fsmithred | I don't know what it does, exactly |
| 01:22.54 | e3d3 | np, I better start with a clean Devuan backup. |
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| 01:23.32 | e3d3 | fsmithred: Bedrock Linux is crazy, it let's you use packages of many distro's, e.g. Debian, Arch, Slackware, Void |
| 01:24.13 | e3d3 | https://bedrocklinux.org/index.html |
| 01:24.26 | fsmithred | so how are you planning to interface devuan with that? |
| 01:24.31 | fsmithred | just use some packages? |
| 01:25.04 | e3d3 | components |
| 01:25.25 | e3d3 | Here the compatibility according to Bedrock: https://bedrocklinux.org/0.7/distro-compatibility.html |
| 01:26.57 | fsmithred | devuan has forked around 200 packages. The rest are unchanged from debian. |
| 01:27.16 | fsmithred | only significant difference is the absence of systemd |
| 01:27.34 | e3d3 | that's the reason why I come here |
| 01:27.54 | fsmithred | :) |
| 01:29.03 | e3d3 | although I would be more happy if I can abandon Debian also, because it choose to use systemd |
| 01:30.41 | fsmithred | does bedrock use an init system, or just use someone else's? |
| 01:31.56 | e3d3 | you can mix init system, kernel, core-utils, prog's from different distro's |
| 01:32.48 | e3d3 | I tried it only on PCLinuxOS with some prog's from other distro's. |
| 01:34.56 | e3d3 | I'll start with a Devuan installation, make a backup, and install Bedrock, mainly to get the newest versions that are not supplied by Devuan or Debian. |
| 01:35.21 | e3d3 | Bedrock will install INSIDE Devuan |
| 01:35.26 | fsmithred | do you normally do a minimal install and then add what you want? |
| 01:36.00 | e3d3 | depends. I should do but don't know if I have energy enough for it |
| 01:36.38 | fsmithred | if you select a desktop environment from the installer, it will make it difficult to remove some things. |
| 01:38.13 | e3d3 | Bedrock don't need to remove things, and I normally only remove a few default apps. I mostly use Emacs & Bash, but have many CLI-tools installed. |
| 01:39.16 | e3d3 | So I should do a base install, but I'm so tired of endless configurating things, besides Emacs & Bash of course. |
| 01:42.26 | e3d3 | I'm now using EasyOS, a Puppy Linux with Debian compatibility, running on an USB stick, as test for my new primary or secundairy OS. I'm also thinking on installing Devuan on USB instead of harddisk but won't ask advice about this before I finished reading what is adviced etc. |
| 01:45.00 | fsmithred | if you choose a desktop, then you get the whole thing at once. |
| 01:45.19 | fsmithred | If you're not real picky about all your apps, then you'll be happy with that. |
| 01:48.50 | e3d3 | Think I'll choose XFCE, although I had many key binding issues with this, only because its lightweight. I rarely use desktop things |
| 01:50.01 | e3d3 | I know KDE is nice but heavy, and I have seen the others WM many times but can't remember which is which and differs in what. |
| 01:51.15 | e3d3 | most seems to be only cosmetic differences |
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| 01:54.00 | e3d3 | I've just read: "In Devuan 3 Beowulf, the X server can now be run without root |
| 01:54.00 | e3d3 | privileges." Is this not dangerous ? |
| 01:54.36 | fsmithred | that was a change to increase security |
| 01:54.55 | fsmithred | running X as root is riskier than running it as user |
| 01:56.42 | e3d3 | okay, thanks, I'll trust you in this and read about it later, maybe. There is so much to read ! |
| 01:58.03 | fsmithred | good luck |
| 01:58.17 | e3d3 | you to |
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| 07:17.35 | pabs3 | is the source code for the https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ site available somewhere? I can't seem to find it anywhere |
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| 07:35.32 | JackFrost | pabs3: http://5.196.69.93/?q=d1pkg ? |
| 07:37.11 | JackFrost | (Sorry, I'm not a Devuanite so don't know more.) |
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| 07:48.53 | gnarface | pabs3: that's a good question, i think they just overhauled it but i don't know where they put the code |
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| 16:36.56 | fsmithred | aitor, I booted your gnuinos beowulf openbox vdev iso and it's faster than I expected. Ping me and I'll tell you more. |
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| 17:13.23 | golinux | gnarface: For future reference https://git.devuan.org/devuan/tellpackage |
| 17:14.16 | mason | golinux: Oh, thanks - I dug too and didn't realize that was pkginfp. |
| 17:14.20 | mason | or pkginfo |
| 17:15.35 | golinux | that's the website code |
| 17:15.48 | golinux | iirc |
| 17:15.55 | gnarface | thanks |
| 17:16.01 | golinux | Or perhaps the previous version |
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| 21:40.12 | eyalroz | I was wondering... do you guys know about the "Tails project"? It's a Buster-based distro focused on controlling the extent of retention of identifiable user data, secure browsing (all TORified) and privacy. |
| 21:40.38 | eyalroz | Have they been approached with a pitch to prefer Devuan over Debian? |
| 21:43.12 | onefang | Last I check Heads was a Devuan based version of Tails. |
| 21:43.17 | fsmithred | eyalroz, not that I know of, but there is a similar devuan project called heads |
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| 21:43.56 | fsmithred | https://heads.dyne.org/about.html |
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| 21:50.08 | n4dir | based on ? |
| 21:50.23 | fsmithred | devuan |
| 21:50.35 | fsmithred | I think beowulf is the most recent release |
| 21:50.49 | n4dir | thanks. distros should really point that out somewhere. At least the package-management used |
| 21:51.13 | n4dir | looks cool though |
| 21:51.26 | golinux | I don't know that heads has been updated but easy enough to do |
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| 21:57.53 | aitor_ | hi |
| 21:58.10 | fsmithred | hi |
| 21:58.15 | aitor_ | fsmithred, good to hear that about vdev |
| 21:58.30 | fsmithred | 30 seconds from boot menu to desktop in qemu |
| 21:58.39 | fsmithred | about a minute on a slow usb2.0 |
| 21:58.52 | aitor_ | it's not so bad |
| 21:59.06 | fsmithred | it hung for a few seconds looking for iwlwifi |
| 21:59.08 | aitor_ | but i can improve it |
| 21:59.33 | fsmithred | lspci is missing (pciutils) |
| 22:00.02 | fsmithred | oh, I didn't even think to look for simple-netaid. Is it installed? |
| 22:00.13 | aitor_ | yes, it is |
| 22:00.31 | fsmithred | I have a wifi dongle that does not require nonfree firmware |
| 22:00.35 | aitor_ | there is no systray-icon so far |
| 22:01.29 | aitor_ | good, you can intall your wifi and the daemon will connect to it automatically |
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| 22:02.52 | aitor_ | my doubt with vdev is about those actions indispensable during the boot process |
| 22:03.05 | aitor_ | i have the following idea: |
| 22:03.15 | n4dir | I had a non-free USB wifi dongle too, but it went kaput (after quite an amount of years). It was cheap |
| 22:04.00 | aitor_ | huh, do you use kaput in english? |
| 22:04.18 | aitor_ | we also use it in spanish |
| 22:04.27 | n4dir | i see it now and then. |
| 22:04.53 | n4dir | perphas jewish roots, not sure, but sounds like it. |
| 22:05.04 | aitor_ | maybe |
| 22:05.06 | Helle | kaput is yiddish yeah |
| 22:05.14 | n4dir | yiddish, ... . ha Helle :-) |
| 22:05.32 | n4dir | the German language is full of yiddish words, but they are most natural now. |
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| 22:05.44 | aitor_ | like muhahaha? |
| 22:05.45 | fsmithred | I can try that right now on the laptop. |
| 22:06.16 | aitor_ | muhahaha seems to be yiddish as well... |
| 22:06.22 | Helle | I mean kaput in Yiddish is from German, but in American English usage, it's from Yiddish |
| 22:06.40 | Helle | if that makes sense ? |
| 22:06.44 | n4dir | aitor_: they are so most natural, that we consider them to be german rooted. Sorry for off-topic, but it is a very interesting subject. I will stop now |
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| 22:07.18 | fsmithred | Helle, I grew up near New York, so that makes perfect sense to me |
| 22:07.38 | n4dir | ah, thats why you are so cool. i should have known. |
| 22:09.04 | n4dir | anyone using pacpl to convert audio files to another format? I get complaints from perl. If needed i can pastebin them |
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| 22:10.33 | fsmithred | aitor_, it sees the interface, but did not set it up. I had to start simple-netaid manually. The wireless works. |
| 22:11.05 | fsmithred | I use ffmpeg to convert audio files. |
| 22:11.25 | fsmithred | are you in chimaera right now? |
| 22:11.44 | n4dir | me? no stable, beowulf, i think |
| 22:11.52 | fsmithred | is it refracta |
| 22:11.54 | fsmithred | ? |
| 22:11.59 | n4dir | no, devuan. |
| 22:12.26 | n4dir | converting a simple audio file to another format is probably easy with ffmpeg too? |
| 22:12.33 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 22:12.44 | fsmithred | I don't remember the syntax, but it's pretty simple |
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| 22:13.08 | n4dir | pacpl --to mp3 *ogg; like that. Yeah, i will figure it out with ffmpeg. I need it very seldom |
| 22:13.21 | n4dir | always as easy as posted |
| 22:13.29 | aitor_ | n4dir, fsmithred, time to dinner... |
| 22:13.35 | aitor_ | fsr, i'll send a link to my next image after improving the boot process with runit |
| 22:13.46 | aitor_ | send you* |
| 22:14.09 | aitor_ | thanks for testing it |
| 22:14.09 | fsmithred | ok |
| 22:14.12 | fsmithred | yw |
| 22:14.18 | fsmithred | enjoy dinner |
| 22:14.25 | aitor_ | thanks, bye :) |
| 22:14.28 | fsmithred | are you at the farm? |
| 22:14.30 | n4dir | bye |
| 22:14.45 | aitor_ | at the farm? |
| 22:14.51 | fsmithred | sister's farm |
| 22:14.59 | aitor_ | lol |
| 22:15.04 | fsmithred | I figured you might be hiding out in the country |
| 22:15.21 | fsmithred | go eat |
| 22:15.23 | aitor_ | there is a lot of snow here |
| 22:15.26 | fsmithred | oh |
| 22:15.32 | fsmithred | we have very little snow |
| 22:15.41 | eyalroz | onefang: Interesting. Thanks. |
| 22:15.43 | aitor_ | kaput! |
| 22:15.47 | fsmithred | lol |
| 22:15.48 | fsmithred | bye |
| 22:19.19 | eyalroz | onefang: Heads seems to be dead - or at least, has no news since 2018. |
| 22:20.58 | eyalroz | fsmithred: It seems like Heads may have died as a project; both the website and the git (which, funny enough, is on Microsoft's GitHub...) don't show updates nearly two years back |
| 22:21.39 | n4dir | 2 years is nothing compared with blackbox |
| 22:22.13 | n4dir | and probably many, many other projects. |
| 22:22.39 | fsmithred | eyalroz, you can make your own with live-sdk and it will be fresh |
| 22:22.58 | fsmithred | yeah, but for a security os you want new |
| 22:26.55 | Vall | Hello everyone! Thanks for Devuan Beowulf, it's working like a charm here. |
| 22:29.08 | Vall | One question: how is Chimaera coming along? Is there any place I can follow it? |
| 22:29.39 | fsmithred | hi Vall |
| 22:29.57 | fsmithred | chimaera is coming along very nicely. A lot of the forked packages have been done. |
| 22:30.30 | Vall | Hey fsmithred, long time no "see" :-) glad to find you here, alive and presumably in good health in the middle of all the current crazyness |
| 22:30.44 | Vall | Glad to hear it about Chiamera |
| 22:30.48 | Vall | *Chimaera |
| 22:31.08 | fsmithred | I upgraded a refracta beowulf on my laptop and it seems to be working fine. |
| 22:31.28 | fsmithred | I don't do a whole lot with it, but it's working well. |
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| 22:38.57 | sgage | I use Chimaera as my main rig, and have no problems. |
| 22:39.12 | sgage | Sometimes a few packages are held during and upgrade, |
| 22:39.25 | sgage | but they're good in a day or two. |
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| 22:47.55 | sgage | fsmithred: where 'near NY' did you grow up? I also grew up |
| 22:48.25 | sgage | near the City - SW CT. My grandparents lived in Manhattan. |
| 22:48.42 | sgage | Spent lots of time there - easy train ride back in the 60's |
| 22:49.16 | Vall | fsmithred, sgage: thanks for the feedback re: Chimaera |
| 22:49.34 | Vall | Will probably bring a VM up here with it for testing. |
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| 22:50.15 | Vall | One question more: is `apt-get dist-upgrade` from Beowulf to Chimaera working? |
| 22:50.50 | sgage | Vall: That's how I did it, months ago. |
| 22:51.01 | Vall | sgage: GREAT! Thanks again |
| 22:51.25 | Vall | is heading out for dinner |
| 22:55.41 | fsmithred | sgage, close to Philly |
| 22:56.33 | fsmithred | Vall, I made some refracta chimaera no-X isos if you want to start with those. Otherwise, install beowulf and upgrade |
| 22:56.36 | sgage | fsmithred: ah, on the other side... |
| 22:57.17 | n4dir | Philly is considered close to NY ? uff |
| 22:57.26 | fsmithred | 90 miles |
| 22:57.35 | n4dir | for penguins that is not far |
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| 22:58.11 | n4dir | so you shifted from the one tough guys, the penguins, to the more tough guys, the bruins. I see. |
| 22:58.42 | fsmithred | flyers! |
| 22:58.55 | fsmithred | we are severely OT |
| 22:58.57 | n4dir | oh my god. shame on me |
| 22:59.04 | Vall | fsmithred: thanks for the tip re: the ISOS. Where can I get them? |
| 22:59.10 | fsmithred | https://get.refracta.org/files/testing/ |
| 22:59.31 | fsmithred | if you need to log in, user:user root:root |
| 22:59.40 | Vall | OK! |
| 22:59.48 | Vall | Thanks again |
| 22:59.52 | fsmithred | have fun |
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