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| 16:30.32 | Birdie | pimpinella: pang |
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| 16:44.14 | Pimpinella | Birdie: yep |
| 16:44.55 | Birdie | can you install the new plugin catay sent you? |
| 16:45.01 | Birdie | its really needed, cheaters are a big pain |
| 16:45.18 | Birdie | the jumping changed into drive with the flag through buildings and catay putted that in his plugin |
| 16:45.19 | Pimpinella | hmm, yes |
| 16:45.30 | Pimpinella | will do it tonight before i go to bed |
| 16:45.34 | Birdie | yesterday one guy went on for a long time coming each 5 min |
| 16:46.36 | Birdie | btw |
| 16:46.49 | Birdie | we are planning to make a group with small cops |
| 16:47.01 | Birdie | kick/shortban |
| 16:47.23 | Birdie | we have a list of 3 pages with "big cops" now but its by far not enough, its kinda stupid to make a big cop list of more players |
| 16:47.38 | Birdie | catay had to be on at evenings for hours on pillbox all the time to ban cheaters |
| 16:47.45 | Pimpinella | hm, well, aren't there legions of admins around ? |
| 16:48.05 | Birdie | we made it reg only now, but that pushes some players away:/ |
| 16:48.17 | Birdie | so maybe some small perms to very active people might help |
| 16:48.28 | Pimpinella | anyway, whatever is needed |
| 16:49.08 | Birdie | you would agree with the small cops stuff? |
| 16:49.11 | catay | yesterday was extremly terrible ... |
| 16:49.20 | Pimpinella | it might be an potion to move inactive players to minicops and form an admin group out of active, motivated players |
| 16:49.38 | Pimpinella | s/potion/option# |
| 16:49.41 | catay | manu has told us some good ideas on how he does it at viper |
| 16:50.30 | Pimpinella | yes, we always focussed much more on viper with anticheat and administration |
| 16:50.45 | Pimpinella | problems were there and not on no jump servery |
| 16:50.48 | Pimpinella | servers |
| 16:51.07 | catay | I never saw it that worse as yesterday |
| 16:51.16 | catay | that guy just kept changing ip's every minute |
| 16:51.28 | Pimpinella | lets see if i can do it right now... |
| 17:02.04 | Pimpinella | whats the pb port? |
| 17:02.13 | Pimpinella | 5150? |
| 17:02.34 | Birdie | yes |
| 17:07.06 | Pimpinella | catay: did you move pb to the viper chroot? |
| 17:07.17 | catay | yes I did |
| 17:07.21 | catay | ooh no |
| 17:07.28 | catay | no, it's under /var/chroot/bzfs |
| 17:07.58 | Pimpinella | instead of moving the server you could aso just copy the binary btw |
| 17:08.20 | catay | I didn't move it, my answer was too fast :P |
| 17:08.29 | catay | maybe manu did, let me check |
| 17:10.16 | catay | if i look in /etc/bzfsd.d/pillbox |
| 17:10.51 | catay | it's under /var/chroot/bzfs |
| 17:10.51 | catay | not vipers |
| 17:10.51 | Pimpinella | k |
| 17:11.06 | catay | I think i don't have the perms to copy the binary |
| 17:11.18 | catay | never tried it to be honest |
| 17:11.49 | Pimpinella | guess the new plugin version should be running now |
| 17:12.30 | catay | ok thanks |
| 17:13.27 | catay | I am gonna talk with manu , to learn a bit from his experiences with viper |
| 17:23.45 | Birdie | he had to go:/ |
| 17:36.46 | Pimpinella | Birdie: he or me? |
| 17:37.18 | Birdie | manu |
| 17:37.25 | Birdie | you would never be gone:) |
| 17:38.28 | Pimpinella | now, i can tell answer most of the questions you would ask Manu |
| 17:42.18 | Pimpinella | ~x en de assertive |
| 17:45.54 | catay | we want a well managed server were it's fun to play, with less work for us :) |
| 17:46.35 | catay | there are a lot of cops now, but a lot of them are not that active |
| 17:46.39 | Pimpinella | yes, so what you need is a well motivated, not too big admin team |
| 17:46.56 | catay | and the new onces don't master all the commands yet |
| 17:47.01 | catay | *ones |
| 17:47.24 | Pimpinella | they learn quickly |
| 17:47.38 | catay | how big is the admin team of viper? |
| 17:48.03 | Pimpinella | the viper admin mailing list was the key to the working team |
| 17:48.34 | catay | we were planning to use the existing pillbox league admin forum on bzbb |
| 17:48.38 | catay | which is a private one |
| 17:48.43 | Pimpinella | there are inactive too, but there are around 10 active admins |
| 17:49.33 | catay | thats the 'trusted' group ? |
| 17:50.09 | Pimpinella | catay: you will get the league players then, but probably not the non league regulars. if you want it as a forum i'd use bzbb |
| 17:50.41 | Pimpinella | trustes is a minicop group. cops are allowed to add their trustees there |
| 17:51.11 | Pimpinella | well, they would be allowed if i hadn't forgot to patch the code on last build... |
| 17:51.14 | Birdie | so you also think (like manu) its better to move "quite inactive" or "inactive" big cops to the trusted group so the copgroup gets smaller? |
| 17:51.28 | Pimpinella | yes |
| 17:51.42 | Pimpinella | they need to feel, that they're chosen |
| 17:51.54 | Pimpinella | not just trusted |
| 17:52.23 | Birdie | chosen cause of their activity and personality |
| 17:52.24 | catay | the league remark is a good one |
| 17:52.42 | catay | there is indeed a big difference between ffa players and the league players |
| 17:52.56 | Pimpinella | trusted group on viper is a playground to see who will make a good and active cop |
| 17:52.58 | Pimpinella | Birdie: yes |
| 17:52.59 | catay | also the managament of the league is handled by different people |
| 17:53.56 | catay | so maybe it's better to have a forum/mailinglist not related to the league |
| 17:54.02 | catay | but only for the management of the server |
| 17:54.29 | Pimpinella | if a cop makes a trustee he/she's advised to have an eye on him/her and propose for cops group if it turns out, that the player would make a good cop |
| 17:55.05 | Pimpinella | good= actively working on improving the server qualit |
| 17:55.07 | Pimpinella | y |
| 17:55.41 | Birdie | and what about the idea i just suggested to catay, use that private forum to suggest names on (done by cops) and talk about those persons, and if we see no real reasons of not adding them, than add them to the small cop group? |
| 17:56.01 | Birdie | if you let all cops add, one opinion might not be enough? |
| 17:56.29 | Birdie | one person can have a total different vieuw on a player, than others |
| 17:56.34 | catay | ok, dinner is ready , i'm back later :) |
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| 18:26.09 | Pimpinella | ~log |
| 18:26.10 | purl | well, log is as piece of wood, or a record, or the opposite of exponentiation |
| 18:26.15 | Pimpinella | ~logs |
| 18:26.16 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 18:42.46 | catay | seems reg only isn't that bad, lot of regulars already registered their callsign |
| 19:29.32 | catay | Pimpinella: most of the banned ip's last night are almost all from tor routers |
| 19:30.50 | catay | there is also a plugin for it delivered with bzflag called TorBlock to deal with that |
| 19:33.28 | Birdie | would it affact innocent players? |
| 19:33.42 | catay | no, because it makes no sense to use tor for playing :) |
| 19:34.16 | Pimpinella | catay: does it detect tor routers or is it just a list of ips? |
| 19:34.28 | catay | it checks every hour the tor master list |
| 19:34.43 | catay | according to the README |
| 19:34.59 | catay | When loaded TorBlock loads up the TOR master IP list from |
| 19:34.59 | catay | http://belegost.mit.edu/tor/status/authority, and will from then on |
| 19:35.01 | catay | disconnect all users from any of those IP addresses. |
| 19:37.41 | Pimpinella | hey, there's anothertolkien fan :) |
| 19:38.04 | Pimpinella | at mit |
| 19:38.51 | catay | hehe |
| 19:39.03 | catay | in the code it's http://moria.seul.org:9032/tor/status/authority |
| 19:39.06 | catay | they check |
| 19:39.10 | Pimpinella | uses fallen dwarfhoods |
| 19:39.18 | catay | and some of the ip's are on that list :) |
| 19:41.22 | Pimpinella | i will probably have to go for that too if i add more hosts, gondolin, menegroth and nargothrond are already used up... |
| 19:42.09 | catay | hehe |
| 19:42.29 | catay | I never read the books, I only have seen the movies |
| 19:45.23 | Pimpinella | oh, these names don't show up in the lord of the rings books either (except moria of course), but in the Silmarilion, which is a collection of "tales" of Tolkiens middle earth |
| 19:46.06 | Pimpinella | all these fortresses fell some thousand years before the lord of the ring takes place ;) |
| 19:46.22 | Pimpinella | except moria again |
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| 20:33.27 | catay | I used to read a lot books when I was young, but with getting older somehow I lost a bit interessted in it |
| 20:33.48 | catay | It' also harder to stay concentrated when reading , so many distractions :) |
| 20:34.08 | catay | and myself :) |
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| 22:17.49 | catay | hey ||Wolverine|| |
| 22:20.30 | ||Wolverine|| | hey catay :) |