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| 13:30.49 | *** topic/#edev by prpplague -> discussion for small embedded device development and hacking || http://www.elinux.org/wiki/ || http://www.hackaday.com || http://www.linux-hacker.net || KB Toys is going to have the entire JuiceBox bundle, that includes the "MP3 Kit" and some carts, for $25 on black friday |
| 14:21.39 | jbevren | prpplague: when is 'black friday'? |
| 14:22.36 | jbevren | ah |
| 14:22.38 | jbevren | interesting |
| 14:22.50 | jbevren | useless trivia incoming: |
| 14:22.51 | jbevren | The origin of Black Friday comes from the shift to profitability during the holiday season. Black Friday was when retailers went from being unprofitable, or "in the red," to being profitable, or "in the black", at a time when accounting records were kept by hand and red indicated loss and black profit. |
| 14:23.10 | jbevren | shame there's no KB in storm lake |
| 14:23.43 | jbevren | lol kb must really suck |
| 14:24.02 | jbevren | there's only one in Iowa |
| 14:24.08 | jbevren | a 'toy outlet' |
| 14:24.54 | prpplague | jbevren: they went bankrupt about 10 years back, still getting back into real biz |
| 14:25.14 | jbevren | nod |
| 14:25.19 | jbevren | trying desparately so I hear :) |
| 14:25.50 | jbevren | its a name I came up with a few hundred years ago |
| 14:25.51 | jbevren | er |
| 14:25.59 | jbevren | oopsie heh |
| 14:26.12 | jbevren | hmm wonder if I could convince someone to get me a couple kits |
| 14:27.12 | jbevren | anyway, the juicebox is the device with all the cpu's pins nicely exposed right? |
| 14:27.21 | jbevren | (not to mention, a nice bus on the cartridge slot) |
| 14:29.53 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, its a pretty good dev device for such a cheap item |
| 14:32.11 | sorphin | most of the kb toys here went under |
| 14:32.58 | prpplague | sorphin: as well as in my area of texas |
| 14:33.31 | sorphin | prpplague: bought a traffic signal from down in wacko TX this weekend |
| 14:33.44 | sorphin | not driving 13 hours to get it tho, being shipped |
| 14:33.55 | jbevren | that said, I'm more interested in mips than arm. Doesnt mean I wont be curious hehe |
| 14:34.08 | jbevren | sorphin: neat |
| 14:34.13 | prpplague | jbevren: why mips? |
| 14:34.17 | sorphin | already gonna have to drive to northeast TN to pick up the cabinet that would cost $200 to ship frieight for a $75 cabinet |
| 14:34.21 | jbevren | cause arm is too common place |
| 14:34.32 | jbevren | its not really a pro-mips thing, its more of a something-other-than-arm thing :) |
| 14:34.32 | sorphin | jbevren: agreed |
| 14:34.39 | sorphin | exactly |
| 14:34.55 | prpplague | jbevren: ahh |
| 14:35.00 | jbevren | not that arm isnt a good arch.. |
| 14:35.24 | prpplague | jbevren: i can understand that |
| 14:35.46 | prpplague | jbevren: i mainly specilize in arm because it makes me worth more $$ at work |
| 14:35.46 | jbevren | in fact, arm entertains me somewhat, having its instruction set loosely based on the 6502's |
| 14:35.51 | jbevren | (I grew up on 6502s) |
| 14:36.01 | jbevren | ah, thats true |
| 14:36.21 | sorphin | prpplague: MIPS would too, just look at sjhill ;) |
| 14:37.08 | prpplague | sorphin: agreed specializaton helps in the $$ area any day |
| 14:37.41 | prpplague | sorphin: just easier for me to specialize in ARM since i already have a good background in it |
| 14:37.52 | prpplague | sorphin: moving to mips would take a good learning curve |
| 14:39.32 | prpplague | i really find hacking arm devices increases your understanding of the systems |
| 14:39.34 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:40.30 | prpplague | i tinkered with the vr4181 in the vr-3 but thats been it |
| 14:41.13 | jbevren | prpplague: I found hacking my c64 helps me to understand lots of things heh |
| 14:41.13 | prpplague | sorphin: being able to do JTAG and early state bootloader bringup, imho, is pretty valuable |
| 14:41.21 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe |
| 14:41.30 | jbevren | although a c64 doesnt have jtag |
| 14:41.40 | jbevren | you can completely disable memory decoding from thte expansion port tho |
| 14:41.41 | prpplague | jbevren: i've though about getting one of those dtv unitas |
| 14:41.45 | jbevren | all except the first 4k of ram |
| 14:41.54 | jbevren | prpplague: There are two dtv's |
| 14:42.08 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, the schematics for rev2 is now available |
| 14:42.10 | jbevren | you want the version 2 dtv, available from radioshack I guess, some Hummer Racing Challenge thing |
| 14:42.31 | jbevren | I know the people that put the menu software into the dtv pretty well |
| 14:42.40 | prpplague | jbevren: cool |
| 14:42.52 | jbevren | and I got to help Jeri fix her first c64 addin (that started the C-one and DTV stuff) |
| 14:43.04 | jbevren | of course, all I did was fish diodes off a c64 board |
| 14:43.07 | jbevren | but still.. ;) |
| 14:43.55 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe |
| 14:44.59 | jbevren | she's pretty surprising in person. You wouldnt expect her to know what she does if you dont already know |
| 14:45.29 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:45.39 | prpplague | jbevren: yea i read a short article on her awhile back |
| 14:45.46 | prpplague | jbevren: seems pretty cool |
| 14:46.24 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:46.52 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:48.17 | prpplague | actually i wish i knew more geeks in real life, i've always been pretty isolated as far as that is concerned |
| 14:48.20 | jbevren | the girl that ran the twin cities LUG a few years ago was kinda hot |
| 14:48.31 | jbevren | haha |
| 14:48.31 | jbevren | :) |
| 14:49.13 | jbevren | prpplague: btw, have you seen problems with gcc4 building linux 2.6.8.1? |
| 14:49.37 | sorphin | ;) |
| 14:49.46 | jbevren | I need it for the cpufreq governors |
| 14:49.48 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:49.55 | sorphin | my ubuntu laptop here at work |
| 14:49.59 | sorphin | is using 2.6 |
| 14:50.17 | sorphin | they compile w/ gcc 3.4.3 |
| 14:50.20 | sorphin | 4.0 won't work |
| 14:50.22 | sorphin | erm |
| 14:50.23 | sorphin | 4.x |
| 14:50.24 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, i'm gonna have to go with 2.6 for one of our projects as the new wireless interface is a proprietary one and only has code for 2.6 |
| 14:50.24 | sorphin | even |
| 14:50.45 | jbevren | grr. heh |
| 14:50.46 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, i have to use ndiswrapper for the wireless in this dell |
| 14:51.10 | jbevren | I'd move to a later kernel on 2.6, but they changed the scsi arch after 2.6.8.1 |
| 14:51.15 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, this is a new chip |
| 14:51.19 | jbevren | and my raid monitor doesnt work with the new one |
| 14:51.23 | sorphin | nod |
| 14:51.25 | prpplague | sorphin: has either spi or sdio interfaces |
| 14:51.29 | sorphin | cool |
| 14:51.29 | prpplague | sorphin: gonna use spi |
| 14:51.33 | sorphin | yeah |
| 14:51.39 | prpplague | sorphin: we are building the entire module |
| 14:51.47 | jbevren | All I effin want is psaux pointer support ;-) |
| 14:51.57 | jbevren | oh I guess I could put a distribution kernel on |
| 14:52.09 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, our target cost for each module is $7.39 |
| 14:52.28 | jbevren | thats $cheap |
| 14:52.33 | prpplague | oh yea |
| 14:52.49 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:52.57 | sorphin | for only $19.95 |
| 14:53.06 | prpplague | jbevren: of course we dont have to worry about things like packaging as it will simply be inside our handhelds |
| 14:53.22 | prpplague | sorphin: ? |
| 14:53.31 | sorphin | prpplague: oh c'mon dave |
| 14:53.38 | prpplague | sorphin: ? |
| 14:53.38 | jbevren | prpplague: nod |
| 14:53.42 | sorphin | tv ads |
| 14:53.47 | prpplague | oh |
| 14:53.51 | sorphin | it's always something .95 |
| 14:54.02 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:54.03 | sorphin | for only $7.95 |
| 14:54.16 | prpplague | sorphin: that was a calculated cost factor |
| 14:54.22 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:54.28 | prpplague | sorphin: we need it to be less than that amount to be feasible |
| 14:54.39 | sorphin | uh |
| 14:54.40 | sorphin | ok |
| 14:55.11 | prpplague | what? |
| 14:55.25 | sorphin | this for some wireless barcode scanning POS device? ;) |
| 14:56.07 | prpplague | yep |
| 14:56.11 | prpplague | big biz |
| 14:56.19 | jbevren | oh yeah |
| 14:56.20 | jbevren | its handy |
| 14:56.26 | sorphin | jbevren: 7564287558 |
| 14:56.28 | jbevren | a number of times Ive grabbed the one at walmart to scan a big box |
| 14:56.37 | jbevren | and that cable's a pita :) |
| 14:56.42 | sorphin | uh |
| 14:56.49 | sorphin | why would you be grabbing it? |
| 14:56.53 | sorphin | working the checkout are you? ;) |
| 14:56.55 | jbevren | nope |
| 14:57.01 | prpplague | across the counter |
| 14:57.04 | jbevren | but the box weighs a metric ton and I'm not taking it outo fmy car |
| 14:57.06 | jbevren | t |
| 14:57.06 | prpplague | to scan a large box |
| 14:57.08 | jbevren | to put it back in |
| 14:57.10 | jbevren | to take it out again |
| 14:57.12 | jbevren | to put it in my car :) |
| 14:57.15 | sorphin | uh.... |
| 14:57.22 | sorphin | yeah |
| 14:57.28 | jbevren | and I dont reach over and grab it :P |
| 14:57.29 | jbevren | I ask for it |
| 14:57.31 | jbevren | but you get the point |
| 14:57.34 | sorphin | why a large box is in your car before it's scanned to begin with |
| 14:57.41 | jbevren | sorphin: I saw this one, kinda sexy with its 3 psu's |
| 14:57.41 | prpplague | cart |
| 14:57.43 | sorphin | i won't ask |
| 14:57.48 | jbevren | carT |
| 14:57.53 | sorphin | well |
| 14:57.56 | sorphin | you said car ;) |
| 14:58.01 | sorphin | normally |
| 14:58.06 | sorphin | they scan it for you :P |
| 14:58.22 | jbevren | yeah, they'll walk away from the till |
| 14:58.23 | jbevren | yep. |
| 14:58.23 | jbevren | sure. |
| 14:58.24 | jbevren | :) |
| 14:58.27 | sorphin | prpplague: all the times i've seen, the range was horrid on the scanners |
| 14:58.30 | jbevren | not in the walmart I go to |
| 14:58.40 | sorphin | jbevren: the "till" is closed :P |
| 14:58.44 | prpplague | sorphin: yea those type are very short range |
| 14:58.58 | jbevren | sorphin: its a simple button press to complete the transaction, and the till pops open |
| 14:59.12 | sorphin | jbevren: i guess you live in the ghetto then :P |
| 14:59.17 | sorphin | don't have tha tprob here |
| 14:59.48 | jbevren | actually, I dont. Theyre just paranoid at that mart |
| 15:00.13 | jbevren | know whats fun? Carrying an active antitheft device INTO walmarts |
| 15:00.14 | prpplague | yea, i've seen that wal-fart |
| 15:00.22 | jbevren | heh |
| 15:00.29 | jbevren | wait for someone else to be walking out and go in |
| 15:00.37 | jbevren | but I digress |
| 15:00.37 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe yea donna had a hand bag that always set of the sensors |
| 15:00.57 | jbevren | some girl had shoes she got from walmart |
| 15:01.06 | sorphin | prpplague: must have an embedded sensor |
| 15:01.06 | jbevren | they didnt deactivate the sensor in the sole |
| 15:01.15 | jbevren | every time she lft it went off, the walmart got in a -lot- of trouble |
| 15:01.41 | jbevren | took a month to figure out it was her shoe |
| 15:01.46 | jbevren | so they zapped it for her |
| 15:01.49 | jbevren | bleh |
| 15:01.50 | jbevren | :P |
| 15:02.05 | sorphin | i've only ever once set thos ethings off |
| 15:02.13 | sorphin | and it was a dvd they forgot to zap |
| 15:02.13 | prpplague | sorphin: apparently the strip was sewn inside |
| 15:02.24 | sorphin | prpplague: and they didn't bother to zap it? :P |
| 15:02.48 | prpplague | sorphin: well the walmart zapper(tm) didn't seem to deactivate it |
| 15:02.59 | prpplague | sorphin: we had to go back to where she bought it from in the mall |
| 15:03.07 | sorphin | ah |
| 15:03.23 | sorphin | odd |
| 15:04.15 | sorphin | 2 things out now, i don't like |
| 15:04.23 | sorphin | 1 the thinkpad w/ the fingerprint scanner bs |
| 15:04.46 | sorphin | 2, that other ibm commercial where teh RFID tags tell the helldesk that the truck is lost |
| 15:05.02 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:05.12 | jbevren | hah |
| 15:05.16 | prpplague | yea i;ve been tinkering with the fp scanner stuff |
| 15:05.16 | jbevren | yeah cause rfids are that smart |
| 15:05.20 | jbevren | and have that sort of range |
| 15:05.30 | jbevren | stallman? |
| 15:05.30 | prpplague | i find it totally unreliable as a method of authorization |
| 15:05.31 | jbevren | :) |
| 15:05.44 | jbevren | prpplague: Nod. |
| 15:05.51 | jbevren | my friend's company uses rfid nametags, |
| 15:05.57 | sorphin | that hippy needs to quit smokin whatever he's smokin and join the real world |
| 15:05.57 | jbevren | it takes like 5 mins to open doors |
| 15:06.03 | jbevren | swirl it by the sensor |
| 15:06.04 | jbevren | flip |
| 15:06.06 | jbevren | swirl |
| 15:06.07 | jbevren | wipe |
| 15:06.08 | jbevren | flip |
| 15:06.14 | jbevren | 5 mins later it finally clicks |
| 15:06.24 | jbevren | not that wiping should make a diff |
| 15:06.25 | sorphin | jbevren: heh, crappy system then, cuz i've seen some that work fine |
| 15:06.31 | jbevren | but you know, people are used to nintendo |
| 15:06.59 | jbevren | we got a fingerprint scanner where I used to work |
| 15:07.02 | jbevren | it was 'weatherproof' |
| 15:07.03 | sorphin | our badges have that built in wire thing.. |
| 15:07.14 | sorphin | forget the name now |
| 15:07.14 | jbevren | the boss didnt realize 'weatherproof' didnt mean 'works with a sheet of ice on it' |
| 15:07.15 | jbevren | lol |
| 15:07.22 | sorphin | rotfl |
| 15:07.28 | sorphin | cute |
| 15:07.30 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:07.34 | jbevren | the door wouldnt open for him, and I refused to let him in |
| 15:07.42 | jbevren | cause he told me not to let anyone in if the scanner wont work :) |
| 15:07.42 | prpplague | ha |
| 15:07.42 | sorphin | it still needs to be able to see your finger |
| 15:07.53 | jbevren | he took it in good humor tho |
| 15:08.08 | sorphin | gave in en? |
| 15:08.08 | jbevren | called the dc manager and got the passkey to type on the keypad |
| 15:08.09 | sorphin | eh? |
| 15:08.14 | sorphin | ah |
| 15:08.25 | sorphin | remind me never to work with you :P |
| 15:08.26 | jbevren | some 18-digit base-4 number |
| 15:09.57 | jbevren | oh I'm reminded. My fileserver died: cpu context corrupt |
| 15:09.59 | jbevren | meh |
| 15:10.04 | sorphin | oh wait |
| 15:10.06 | sorphin | that's easy |
| 15:10.08 | sorphin | -0- |
| 15:10.14 | sorphin | nevermind |
| 15:10.19 | jbevren | and I dont want to dig the cpu out of that enclosure |
| 15:10.26 | jbevren | sorphin :) |
| 15:10.34 | jbevren | for someone who doesnt care about a guy, you sure like to troll him a lot |
| 15:10.42 | sorphin | he's not even in here atm |
| 15:10.50 | sorphin | i just was bored for a microsecond |
| 15:10.55 | sorphin | and needed someone easy to trash on |
| 15:11.13 | sorphin | jbevren: fyi, there are very few people i care about |
| 15:12.18 | sorphin | man, glad it's only 3 days this week |
| 15:12.24 | sorphin | tho not looking forward to thusday |
| 15:12.30 | sorphin | thursday |
| 15:12.37 | sorphin | purl_: rename |
| 15:12.59 | prpplague | sorphin: i can fool the fp scanner with jello |
| 15:13.11 | sorphin | ah |
| 15:13.21 | sorphin | biometrics are a joke |
| 15:13.43 | sorphin | fingerprints are copyable |
| 15:13.57 | sorphin | and no laser is scanning my eyeball, other than the one that does lasik :P |
| 15:16.50 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:17.00 | sorphin | prpplague: oh, the laser part doesn't scare me |
| 15:17.07 | sorphin | the lil guillotine does |
| 15:17.16 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:17.22 | sorphin | i refuse to wear glasses or contacts |
| 15:17.28 | sorphin | prpplague: then get to it, slacker |
| 15:18.35 | sorphin | the only time i work the weekend is if i'm oncall like i was, and get called |
| 15:18.44 | sorphin | other than that, screw it, there's nothing that can't wait |
| 15:21.33 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:21.44 | sorphin | well, most things i do won't be completed in a weekend anyways |
| 15:22.37 | jbevren | prpplague: I'd never get any sleep :) |
| 15:22.48 | prpplague | sorphin: i have lots of small goals |
| 15:22.57 | prpplague | sorphin: its the only way i can get things done |
| 15:23.16 | prpplague | sorphin: if i try to big projects as a whole, they fail |
| 15:28.15 | sorphin | nod |
| 15:28.19 | sorphin | i don't have a choice |
| 15:28.29 | prpplague | sorphin: ? |
| 15:28.33 | prpplague | sorphin: why not? |
| 15:28.57 | prpplague | sorphin: they give you a project, they should know if you divide it up into smaller goals |
| 15:30.12 | prpplague | s/should/shouldn't |
| 15:30.52 | sorphin | prpplague: heh, none of my projects can really be broken down that much |
| 15:31.38 | prpplague | sorphin: hmm, i would probably disagree, but thats just me |
| 15:33.14 | prpplague | sorphin: just for the sake of discussion, can you give me an example? |
| 15:36.32 | jbevren | having done assembly language programming on an 8bit cpu with one accumulator, 3 indexes, and no hardware multiply/divide, I know things can be broken down into small goals :) |
| 15:36.44 | jbevren | er, |
| 15:36.45 | jbevren | 2 indexes |
| 15:36.52 | jbevren | unless you count the program counter as an index :) |
| 15:37.10 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe |
| 15:37.56 | prpplague | jbevren: if i work on a project as one giant one, its usually overwhelming, i _have_ to have small goals so that i feel i accomplished a something at the end of the day |
| 15:42.28 | sorphin | prpplague: i don't care if i feel like i'v eaccomplished something at the end of the day.. i just come here, work, go home, i save the accomplished feeling for personal projects at home |
| 15:42.54 | jbevren | prpplague: maybe tahts why I keep not-finishing projects :) |
| 15:44.03 | prpplague | sorphin: doesn't matter if its a personal or not, i have to do it like that |
| 15:44.38 | sorphin | prpplague: to each their own |
| 15:44.38 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, i've gone through several books on project management for "our type" and small goals seems very important |
| 15:44.59 | jbevren | I have a software project management for dummies book |
| 15:45.05 | jbevren | it's pretty decent |
| 15:45.06 | jbevren | heh |
| 15:45.34 | jbevren | oh, I'm reminded, I need to find out what value the resistors for memory sizing are on the crappit |
| 15:45.53 | jbevren | I lifted one yesterday and its forever lost inside a sea of solder :) |
| 15:46.04 | prpplague | jbevren: most excellent read - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0517881640/002-6816839-1282442?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance |
| 15:46.12 | prpplague | jbevren: doh |
| 15:46.30 | jbevren | lol organizing |
| 15:46.33 | jbevren | prpplague: I bet |
| 15:46.50 | jbevren | prpplague: If I werent such a tightwad I'd have a lab by now :) |
| 15:47.37 | prpplague | jbevren: yea i have the same problem |
| 15:47.55 | jbevren | on a side note, look up and read The Practice of System and Network Administration (Limoncelli and Hogan) |
| 15:48.15 | jbevren | I know youre not into netadmin |
| 15:48.26 | prpplague | although i've not admin'd a net in years |
| 15:48.27 | jbevren | but there are lots of general topics covered very well |
| 15:48.32 | prpplague | will do |
| 15:48.39 | jbevren | people management, goal setting, etc |
| 15:48.50 | jbevren | my favorite read was the section "Managing your manager" |
| 15:49.04 | sorphin | jbevren: only ever lost stuff in a sea of carpet |
| 15:49.05 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:49.10 | jbevren | came in handy where I used to work, cause management couldnt... manage. |
| 15:49.18 | prpplague | jbevren: looks good |
| 15:49.23 | jbevren | sorphin: You've seen short grain rice right? |
| 15:49.24 | prpplague | jbevren: another on to try - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743212126/002-6816839-1282442?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance |
| 15:49.29 | jbevren | imagine that before its cooked |
| 15:49.36 | jbevren | you can fit 5 of these resistors in that space |
| 15:49.42 | sorphin | jev: i know dude, i've had some micro size SMT resistors |
| 15:49.46 | sorphin | jbevren: ^^ |
| 15:49.54 | sorphin | jbevren: that's why i have my bench microscope :) |
| 15:49.58 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:50.11 | jbevren | bench scope doesnt help when your iron lifts the resistor. :P |
| 15:50.12 | sorphin | can't use it at 20x / 40x tho |
| 15:50.17 | sorphin | otherwise i'd have no room to solder |
| 15:50.18 | prpplague | hehe, all i have to do is take off my glasses, instant microscope |
| 15:50.24 | jbevren | I'm heavily nearsighted, so I dont need to use a bench magnifier |
| 15:50.26 | sorphin | so i have a .5 reducer on it :( |
| 15:50.29 | jbevren | in fact, they tend to make it harder |
| 15:50.39 | sorphin | jbevren: uh |
| 15:50.44 | sorphin | i'm very nearsighted |
| 15:50.52 | sorphin | but on things that small |
| 15:50.59 | sorphin | i'd rather zoom in :P |
| 15:50.59 | jbevren | at any rate, I was attempting to add my sd card heh |
| 15:51.05 | jbevren | that didnt work out :) |
| 15:51.05 | sorphin | oops |
| 15:51.11 | sorphin | gee.. really? |
| 15:51.11 | sorphin | ;) |
| 15:51.14 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe |
| 15:51.16 | jbevren | I have some nice magnet wire all stripped and tinned up for it |
| 15:51.22 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, struggly with some sd stuff now |
| 15:51.36 | jbevren | its a pita to strip enamel coated wire without the right solvent fyi ;-) |
| 15:51.38 | prpplague | jbevren: my card detect gpio/irq isn't working :( |
| 15:51.49 | jbevren | prpplague: ah |
| 15:51.53 | jbevren | youre coding for it too? |
| 15:51.58 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:52.01 | jbevren | I see |
| 15:52.07 | sorphin | prpplague: this is the light i bought over the weekend |
| 15:52.08 | sorphin | http://tinyurl.com/9ch8n |
| 15:52.08 | jbevren | do you know the value by chance? :) |
| 15:53.04 | prpplague | sorphin: cute |
| 15:53.04 | prpplague | jbevren: value for which resistor? |
| 15:53.04 | sorphin | a 3M programmable visibility |
| 15:53.04 | jbevren | the first one :P |
| 15:53.04 | jbevren | I didnt get far |
| 15:53.04 | jbevren | nCS |
| 15:53.04 | sorphin | oddly, it's 'programmed' by blocking out the directions you don't want w/ tape |
| 15:53.04 | sorphin | heh |
| 15:53.14 | jbevren | you have a crapit schematic? :) |
| 15:53.26 | jbevren | R9 |
| 15:54.05 | jbevren | shrug |
| 15:54.12 | jbevren | I just want to get TinyX on my zipit :P |
| 15:54.17 | jbevren | mmc makes room for that |
| 15:54.21 | jbevren | (obviously) |
| 15:54.34 | prpplague | jbevren: oh you are talking about the zipit device? |
| 15:54.38 | jbevren | yeah |
| 15:54.41 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:54.54 | jbevren | ohhhh |
| 15:54.56 | jbevren | :) |
| 15:55.22 | prpplague | i just assumed you wanted some generic info about hooking up sd interface |
| 15:55.25 | jbevren | they (ken?) are using the memory sizing inputs on the arm cpu for the mmc, since its not othewrise used |
| 15:55.29 | jbevren | ahh |
| 15:55.34 | jbevren | I have a general idea of its workings |
| 15:56.18 | jbevren | 28AWG is too big for the job heh |
| 15:56.49 | jbevren | I guess I'll need to rig up my dentist's picks to hold the resistor down while adding the wire |
| 15:57.02 | jbevren | or I could scrape the board and solder to the trace |
| 15:57.30 | prpplague | jbevren: yea from what i can tell the soldering on that is pretty tedious |
| 15:57.44 | jbevren | especially if youre too cheap to get a real iron like me |
| 15:58.23 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, i get radioshack specials, and then use a metal file to make a really sharp point |
| 15:58.54 | prpplague | jbevren: re-tin it and you can do some really small solders |
| 15:59.39 | jbevren | nod |
| 15:59.48 | jbevren | I used to have a 15, figured it'd be great |
| 15:59.55 | jbevren | but I couldnt do squat with it |
| 16:00.02 | jbevren | so I up and got a 40. |
| 16:00.08 | jbevren | I -need- to just get a temp controlled one |
| 16:00.20 | prpplague | jbevren: realy? |
| 16:00.24 | prpplague | jbevren: i use a 12 |
| 16:00.26 | jbevren | nod. |
| 16:00.35 | jbevren | in fact, a friend sent me a prototype sound DAC for the c6 |
| 16:00.37 | jbevren | 4 |
| 16:00.43 | jbevren | I lifted 2 pads trying to desolder a cap |
| 16:00.47 | jbevren | (with the 15) |
| 16:00.54 | jbevren | the 15 couldnt provide enough heat to heat through the board |
| 16:01.05 | jbevren | the 40 did the job with no prob :-X |
| 16:01.06 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:01.43 | prpplague | interesting |
| 16:02.03 | jbevren | oh, and ground-fill is -bad- on prototypes without solder mask :) |
| 16:02.08 | prpplague | i usually have no problems with the 12 just when i need to do something with alot of head dissipation, then i use a 25 |
| 16:03.25 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, one safest cities in the states is round rock, texas, thats very close to ft.worth, hehe, they have 1 cop for every 3 citizens |
| 16:03.58 | jbevren | that's 'safe'? |
| 16:04.09 | jbevren | thats not 'safe', thats 'ruled by fear of prosecution' |
| 16:04.14 | jbevren | dumont, by contrast is safe |
| 16:04.15 | sorphin | i figured that's more... deadly |
| 16:04.20 | jbevren | how many cops in town? |
| 16:04.21 | jbevren | none. |
| 16:04.23 | jbevren | NEXT! |
| 16:04.26 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:04.35 | jbevren | the county sherrif rolls through town once an hour |
| 16:04.37 | sorphin | speaking of cops |
| 16:04.38 | jbevren | :) |
| 16:04.40 | sorphin | man |
| 16:04.41 | sorphin | this weekend |
| 16:04.44 | sorphin | they were everywhere |
| 16:04.56 | sorphin | 6 along 1 highway |
| 16:05.06 | sorphin | one here |
| 16:05.07 | sorphin | oen there |
| 16:05.16 | sorphin | i couldnt' get the bacon smell outta my nose :P |
| 16:05.17 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:05.17 | prpplague | hehe, yea well generally speaking, there is a whole lot less crime in texas than most places in the world |
| 16:05.37 | prpplague | you generalyl don't break into a house if you think you might get killed |
| 16:05.38 | sorphin | prpplague: everyone has a gunrack in the back of their pickup tho |
| 16:05.48 | prpplague | sorphin: yep |
| 16:05.56 | prpplague | sorphin: when i lived in texas i had 17 guns |
| 16:06.06 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:06.15 | prpplague | sorphin: three were full auto preban |
| 16:06.21 | sorphin | and i'll be meeting you.... never |
| 16:06.32 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, they were legal |
| 16:06.49 | sorphin | legal in TX |
| 16:06.53 | sorphin | and legal in the rest of the US |
| 16:06.57 | sorphin | are 2 diff things |
| 16:07.00 | prpplague | sorphin: i had permits with concealed handgun permits on them all |
| 16:07.05 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:07.27 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, i bet, hehe |
| 16:07.39 | sorphin | prpplague: dude, it makes it too easy |
| 16:07.48 | sorphin | "you pissed me off.. bang... oops" |
| 16:08.18 | sorphin | and you never know if someone's carrying or not |
| 16:08.29 | sorphin | funny thign is tho |
| 16:08.34 | sorphin | even tho MO allows |
| 16:08.34 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, right, doesn't happen much, and it happens in places like canada where the handguns are illegal in the first place |
| 16:08.47 | sorphin | prpplague: funny thing is tho |
| 16:08.53 | sorphin | even tho conceal and carry is legal here |
| 16:08.58 | sorphin | most places disallow is |
| 16:08.59 | sorphin | it |
| 16:09.13 | sorphin | so it works out nicely :P |
| 16:09.23 | sorphin | because despite state law |
| 16:09.24 | prpplague | sorphin: ahh, there are only a few places that disallow it in texas |
| 16:09.28 | sorphin | you have the right to dictate |
| 16:09.37 | prpplague | sorphin: like schools, banks, and government offices |
| 16:09.37 | sorphin | what's allowed in your establishment |
| 16:09.47 | sorphin | prpplague: no guns allowed here at work :P |
| 16:09.53 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe |
| 16:09.57 | sorphin | i'm sorry |
| 16:10.02 | sorphin | but guns don't make me feel safe |
| 16:10.07 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe |
| 16:10.08 | sorphin | they make me feel threatened |
| 16:10.23 | prpplague | hehe guess its a culture thing |
| 16:10.35 | sorphin | and i refuse to ever own or carry one |
| 16:10.36 | sorphin | nod |
| 16:10.45 | sorphin | i just don't care to have that much of 'easy power' |
| 16:10.53 | prpplague | sorphin: i got my first one when i was 7 |
| 16:10.58 | sorphin | too many people arent' resposible enough |
| 16:11.15 | sorphin | think every problem can be solved w/ it |
| 16:11.38 | sorphin | he won't get outta my way |
| 16:11.40 | prpplague | hehe, no, but it does help, hehe |
| 16:11.40 | sorphin | bang |
| 16:11.42 | sorphin | problem solved |
| 16:12.00 | sorphin | and now the person is crippled, injured or dead |
| 16:12.01 | prpplague | hehe, yea, i don't see that happening with ppl that have guns legally |
| 16:12.13 | sorphin | prpplague: the temptation will still be there |
| 16:12.16 | jbevren | heh. |
| 16:12.18 | prpplague | i see it alot with ppl that don't have them legally |
| 16:12.22 | jbevren | I never graduated from my dad's air rifle |
| 16:12.30 | prpplague | sorphin: yea so is the temptation to run your car over them |
| 16:12.35 | jbevren | I did fire a 12-gague with a deer slug in it once |
| 16:12.37 | sorphin | prpplague: uh |
| 16:12.39 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:12.47 | sorphin | a gun can be a bit more less noticeable :P |
| 16:12.48 | jbevren | missed the deer |
| 16:12.52 | sorphin | the car |
| 16:12.55 | jbevren | took half the tree behind it out |
| 16:12.56 | sorphin | a bit more obvious :P |
| 16:13.31 | prpplague | hehe, same thing, if you can't control your temptation with a gun, why is a car different? |
| 16:13.34 | jbevren | afk sandwich/breakfast :) |
| 16:13.48 | prpplague | don't even have a background check with a car, hehe |
| 16:14.32 | sorphin | prpplague: people get around background checks :P |
| 16:14.41 | sorphin | you can't hide a car :P |
| 16:14.45 | sorphin | you can hide a gun |
| 16:14.55 | sorphin | or throw it down a sewer after you realize what youve done |
| 16:15.08 | sorphin | the blood on the bumper would be obvious |
| 16:15.09 | sorphin | :P |
| 16:15.17 | sorphin | anyways |
| 16:15.40 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, you can always get rid of a car, but as you say, anyways |
| 16:16.03 | prpplague | sorphin: i'm not like some of the folks on #elinux who get upset with a good conversation thats slightly off topic, hehe |
| 16:16.24 | sorphin | i know |
| 16:16.40 | sorphin | my deadline's just staring at me again |
| 16:16.44 | prpplague | :D |
| 16:16.53 | jbevren | cars |
| 16:16.54 | jbevren | guns |
| 16:16.55 | jbevren | video games |
| 16:16.59 | jbevren | the real problem is, |
| 16:17.01 | prpplague | for once, i'm ahead of schedule by a day |
| 16:17.08 | jbevren | some peoples' children have no discipline |
| 16:17.24 | prpplague | jbevren: exactly doesn't matter what the tool is, its the mind behind it |
| 16:17.25 | jbevren | big tires |
| 16:17.28 | jbevren | it'll hurt less than a geo |
| 16:18.03 | jbevren | prpplague: exactly. |
| 16:18.13 | jbevren | I dont own a gun cause i have anger management probs :) |
| 16:18.21 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:18.21 | jbevren | not that I'd go out and kill somoene |
| 16:18.29 | jbevren | but I'd be in a load of trouble if I shot my computer |
| 16:18.30 | sorphin | jbevren: you? have anger management problems? Never! |
| 16:18.30 | jbevren | :) |
| 16:18.31 | sorphin | lol |
| 16:19.03 | jbevren | yay |
| 16:19.09 | jbevren | I go away for 5 secs to get a sandwich |
| 16:19.11 | prpplague | it takes alot for me to get upset |
| 16:19.17 | jbevren | and our clients drive the server to 103 |
| 16:19.29 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:19.32 | jbevren | I'm glad for you ;-) |
| 16:19.40 | jbevren | some day I'll master the dont-get-irate thing :) |
| 16:19.53 | prpplague | my father had a short fuse so i always try to be calm about things |
| 16:20.11 | sorphin | prpplague: mad yet? ;) |
| 16:20.13 | sorphin | oh |
| 16:20.15 | jbevren | my father didnt even -have- a fuse. |
| 16:20.21 | prpplague | well i have no guns now |
| 16:20.29 | prpplague | my choice of beer sucks |
| 16:20.42 | prpplague | and my wife has been as cold as ice for about two weeks, hehe |
| 16:20.52 | sorphin | prpplague: sucks to be you i guess |
| 16:20.52 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:20.53 | jbevren | beer? beh |
| 16:20.57 | prpplague | and my son got introuble at school ever day last week |
| 16:21.00 | jbevren | if the beer's not so cold that I cant taste it, I gag on it |
| 16:21.04 | sorphin | prpplague: what'd you do to her now? |
| 16:21.47 | prpplague | sorphin: same old stuff for married couples, money, work, sex, kids |
| 16:22.05 | jbevren | some women just get pissed |
| 16:22.09 | jbevren | and dont say why |
| 16:22.13 | jbevren | s/dont/wont |
| 16:22.33 | jbevren | prime reason for my single-ness :) |
| 16:22.46 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:22.52 | sorphin | never have that problem |
| 16:22.56 | jbevren | lucky man |
| 16:22.57 | sorphin | i usually know what's wrong |
| 16:22.58 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, donna isn't like that, i made sure of that, i don't like trying to do that read between the lines crap |
| 16:23.00 | jbevren | does your wife have a sister? :) |
| 16:23.04 | sorphin | before they have to tell me |
| 16:23.13 | jbevren | prpplague: Yep. |
| 16:23.24 | jbevren | if the sow wont tell me why she's angry, she can go to hell |
| 16:23.27 | prpplague | jbevren: most women from the carib are very vocal about things |
| 16:23.29 | jbevren | probably another reason I'm single :) |
| 16:23.34 | jbevren | prpplague: excellent:) |
| 16:23.42 | jbevren | they should be (as should guys) |
| 16:24.07 | prpplague | jbevren: american men generally do well in the carib and central american |
| 16:24.20 | jbevren | I fix one server |
| 16:24.23 | prpplague | jbevren: the women there aren't used to things like men opening doors and such |
| 16:24.23 | jbevren | -another- goes to 100+ |
| 16:24.29 | jbevren | I'm going to ban this software |
| 16:25.06 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:25.13 | jbevren | I remember walking with a girl (speaking of that) |
| 16:25.23 | jbevren | she got upset cause I insisted on walking on the street side |
| 16:25.31 | jbevren | she went on about antiquidated morals being bs |
| 16:25.50 | jbevren | I told her I'm aware of the dangers of walking streetside and could car less if she wants to be unsafe |
| 16:25.52 | jbevren | =care |
| 16:26.10 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:26.11 | jbevren | apparently there's some tradition about the guy walking streetside. |
| 16:26.15 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:26.23 | sorphin | uhh |
| 16:26.26 | sorphin | you people are odd |
| 16:26.29 | sorphin | i just walk |
| 16:26.30 | jbevren | I just walk streetside cause I like to be aware of the goings on in the street, and generally are moreso than the person I'm walking with |
| 16:26.37 | sorphin | i don't care which side of whatever i'm on :P |
| 16:26.51 | prpplague | well for me its southern tradition |
| 16:26.52 | jbevren | sorphin: I dont care who I'm walking with. You, some girl, my family. If someone got hurt walking with me for any reason, i'd feel like shit for weeks |
| 16:27.01 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:27.04 | sorphin | i wouldn't |
| 16:27.13 | jbevren | if they fell and bumped/scraped a knee, no biggie |
| 16:27.14 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:27.21 | sorphin | it's not my responsibility to be their guardian |
| 16:27.33 | sorphin | nomore so than it's theirs to be mine |
| 16:27.34 | jbevren | failure to prevent a crime is equivalent to guilt :P |
| 16:28.15 | jbevren | oh |
| 16:28.21 | jbevren | back to device hacking etc |
| 16:28.34 | jbevren | since these panel PC's are too slow to play mp3, Ive decided to set one up on the coffee table |
| 16:28.38 | prpplague | donna was amazed when she saw a woman at the mall just stand there at the door waiting for her man/husband to open it |
| 16:28.46 | sorphin | rotfl |
| 16:28.58 | jbevren | I'll hopefully get an interface to control a media player remotely on the system connected to my tv |
| 16:29.03 | sorphin | if i'm 1st, i open it, if missy's 1st, she opens it |
| 16:29.11 | jbevren | sorphin: Nod. same here |
| 16:29.18 | sorphin | screw that antiquated crap |
| 16:29.22 | jbevren | although I have a habit of looking behind and holding it open if someone's behind me |
| 16:29.29 | sorphin | yeah |
| 16:29.30 | sorphin | i do that |
| 16:29.33 | jbevren | sorphin: Nod. "Bitch, you have an arm, open the door." |
| 16:29.40 | sorphin | but i'm not gonna rush up to open the door :P |
| 16:29.41 | jbevren | I guess I should stop swearing :) |
| 16:29.50 | sorphin | jbevren: this isn't a "family channel" |
| 16:29.51 | sorphin | :P |
| 16:29.51 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:30.12 | jbevren | as long as nobodys' companies are sketchy about it in this chan |
| 16:30.19 | sorphin | uh |
| 16:30.24 | sorphin | dude |
| 16:30.30 | sorphin | if you're on irc while at work anyways |
| 16:30.31 | jbevren | I dont do so excessively unlike certain water-borne people |
| 16:30.36 | prpplague | just don't want it to degrad to much |
| 16:30.39 | sorphin | i think you already dug your grave ;) |
| 16:30.47 | jbevren | sorphin: They cant monitor my traffic :) |
| 16:30.54 | jbevren | they think the VPN is my default route :) |
| 16:31.00 | jbevren | theyre WRONG |
| 16:31.00 | sorphin | jbevren: here.. let me STOP your traffic ;) |
| 16:31.02 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.25 | jbevren | sorphin: If I ever need a day off, I'll call you :) |
| 16:31.59 | jbevren | gawd |
| 16:32.13 | sorphin | ;) |
| 16:32.14 | jbevren | theyre the only ones to put up copetition for burst.net |
| 16:32.19 | jbevren | (the downtime competition that is) |
| 16:32.23 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:32.26 | prpplague | sorphin: the men here are very demanding |
| 16:32.38 | sorphin | jbevren: they get DoS'd a lot |
| 16:32.45 | sorphin | cuz they suck |
| 16:32.46 | jbevren | ah |
| 16:32.48 | jbevren | burst just sucks |
| 16:32.49 | prpplague | sorphin: its almost accepted practic to have a wife and a woman on the side |
| 16:32.56 | jbevren | sorphin: You know of my 300mhz subnotebook |
| 16:33.01 | sorphin | prpplague: sweet, i need to move to barbados ;) |
| 16:33.02 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:33.03 | jbevren | I took the entire datacenter network out with it by accident once |
| 16:33.15 | jbevren | too many PPS through the router |
| 16:33.20 | jbevren | the router went ballistic |
| 16:33.37 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:33.40 | sorphin | jbevren: that only happens on our small routers, not the main core |
| 16:33.41 | jbevren | I'm moving too |
| 16:33.48 | jbevren | sorphin: nod. |
| 16:33.58 | jbevren | but theirs isnt a 'small' router |
| 16:34.02 | jbevren | its a gsr12008 with two RCPs |
| 16:34.15 | jbevren | its grossly misconfigured |
| 16:34.27 | jbevren | we talked about this tho I think |
| 16:34.52 | jbevren | switch&data->gsr->gsr->gsr->datacenter |
| 16:34.54 | jbevren | dont ask why |
| 16:34.57 | jbevren | I gave up asking myself :) |
| 16:35.05 | jbevren | the middle gsr can be eliminated easily |
| 16:35.50 | prpplague | jbevren: cute - http://sbeam.dk/blog/?p=9 |
| 16:36.06 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.44 | jbevren | now I cant believe that'd work |
| 16:36.55 | jbevren | mp3 throws too much data out to safely transfer a digital signal |
| 16:37.08 | sorphin | jbevren: nice |
| 16:37.11 | jbevren | unless, of course, the cpc is -very- inefficient |
| 16:37.21 | sorphin | my home phone just wnet 'temporarily out of service' and the dsl dropped for a minute too |
| 16:37.25 | jbevren | sorphin: need backlight control added too, to turn the backlight off during video playback |
| 16:37.54 | jbevren | ohh |
| 16:37.57 | jbevren | theyre .wav files |
| 16:39.46 | jbevren | prpplague: I'm pretty lucky, I have an ide64, which has a parallel loader |
| 16:40.04 | jbevren | you link the c64 to the PC via a null-parallel cable (4bits+clock both ways) |
| 16:40.10 | jbevren | and 'prlink' the data over |
| 16:40.19 | jbevren | nice chunk of firmware :) |
| 16:45.33 | prpplague | jbevren: i have dcc's blocked |
| 16:45.37 | jbevren | bah :) |
| 16:46.18 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, scanlime was using a ez-usb based device to sim the i/o |
| 16:46.31 | jbevren | nod. |
| 16:46.50 | jbevren | a friend of mine used an atmel to link rs232 to the IEC (serial disk) port on the c64 |
| 16:47.00 | prpplague | jbevren: the only thing that is keeping me from getting a dtv unit is that i have no c64 experience |
| 16:47.18 | jbevren | he even got support for a common kernal rom expansion that accelerates the transfer from 1800ps to somewhere near 56k |
| 16:47.24 | sorphin | prpplague: wtf is with his rename? |
| 16:47.27 | jbevren | c64's are dead simple :) |
| 16:47.37 | jbevren | although the dtv has a load of addons |
| 16:47.40 | jbevren | like 256 colors |
| 16:47.44 | jbevren | 128k ram :) |
| 16:47.49 | jbevren | prpplague: dtvhacking.info |
| 16:47.50 | prpplague | sorphin: to avoid ppl looking for picogui support |
| 16:47.55 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:48.01 | sorphin | he wrote it :P |
| 16:48.07 | sorphin | he should be supporting it :P |
| 16:48.08 | prpplague | sorphin: and its dead |
| 16:48.15 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:48.42 | prpplague | sorphin: specifically says on the page that its dead and don't expect support |
| 16:49.01 | prpplague | jbevren: yea i have it bookmarked |
| 16:49.17 | jbevren | also have a google for 'commodore 64 programmer's reference guide' |
| 16:49.25 | jbevren | that'll cover the kernal rom |
| 16:49.28 | jbevren | system calls, etc |
| 16:49.56 | jbevren | and ask on efnet #c-64 :) |
| 16:49.57 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, i've sworn to myself though i won't take on any side projects that don't increase my skills with ARM based devices, hehe |
| 16:50.02 | jbevren | we love new sceners ;-) |
| 16:50.03 | prpplague | ewwww efnet |
| 16:50.13 | sorphin | nod |
| 16:50.56 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:50.59 | jbevren | your loss |
| 16:51.03 | jbevren | its the one cool channel on the network |
| 16:51.10 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:51.15 | jbevren | well aside from one I started, where people who hate their employer hang out |
| 16:51.30 | jbevren | you could do worse |
| 16:51.33 | jbevren | like read comp.sys.cbm |
| 16:51.38 | jbevren | wildstar's allowed to post there |
| 16:51.40 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:51.41 | jbevren | so i dotn read it:) |
| 16:52.15 | jbevren | he makes fishhead look smart |
| 16:52.27 | prpplague | hehe, yea, now if i could get a zx81 like the dtv |
| 16:53.01 | prpplague | or the ts-1000 as it was know in the states |
| 16:56.06 | prpplague | http://cgi.ebay.com/Like-New-Sinclair-ZX81-Computer-Kit_W0QQitemZ8724436370QQcategoryZ1247QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 16:57.46 | jbevren | the zx81 actually has 2k ram |
| 16:57.49 | jbevren | the TS1k has 1k ram |
| 16:57.54 | jbevren | otherwise theyre identical |
| 16:58.02 | sorphin | prpplague: just paste ebay auction #'s |
| 16:58.05 | sorphin | not the link :P |
| 16:58.09 | jbevren | nod |
| 16:58.14 | jbevren | we all know how to put the item ID in the search box |
| 16:58.21 | sorphin | ;) |
| 16:58.27 | jbevren | and we dont have to deal with BitchX breaking up the item ID |
| 16:58.27 | jbevren | mZ87 |
| 16:58.28 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.29 | jbevren | :) |
| 16:58.32 | sorphin | hehe |
| 16:58.50 | sorphin | jbevren: you search? i just autocomplete on cgi.ebay.... and tack the # at the end |
| 16:59.37 | jbevren | oh, this is the kit |
| 16:59.54 | prpplague | i made several addons for them |
| 17:00.01 | jbevren | when I was a kid, I had a small b/w tv and a TS1k |
| 17:00.03 | prpplague | including a fully size keyboard replacement |
| 17:00.16 | jbevren | I took the keyboard off the shell and stuck it onto the top of the tv, and fed it to the computer through a slot I cut |
| 17:00.17 | jbevren | :) |
| 17:00.33 | jbevren | it had 16k too |
| 17:01.41 | prpplague | jbevren: i tinkered with the idea of making a modern version of it |
| 17:02.00 | prpplague | jbevren: and run uzix on it |
| 17:02.23 | prpplague | jbevren: i've run uzix on a gameboy |
| 17:02.33 | prpplague | i always wanted to port uzi to arm though |
| 17:02.45 | prpplague | just a time thing |
| 17:02.50 | jbevren | I know sorphin's tired of hearing about the zipit, but in my opinion, its a nearly perfect palmsized computer |
| 17:03.01 | jbevren | the only thing thats wrong with it is the numbers not having their own row |
| 17:03.07 | jbevren | and having to shift for / and - :) |
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| 17:05.19 | Genesis | bonsoir |
| 17:15.22 | sorphin | jbevren: please be polite and call it the z1p1t or something :P |
| 17:17.34 | jbevren | crappit :) |
| 17:17.48 | sorphin | TiVo is going to the crapper |
| 17:17.54 | jbevren | how about I call it "the device sorphin doesnt want me to call a zipit" |
| 17:17.56 | sorphin | goo riddance |
| 17:18.01 | jbevren | or "the device formerly known as zipit" |
| 17:18.13 | jbevren | :) |
| 17:18.23 | jbevren | I like the FKA one |
| 17:18.35 | jbevren | sorta like the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as prince |
| 17:18.41 | sorphin | be nice |
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| 17:19.04 | sorphin | GPSFan: moin mr ken |
| 17:19.16 | GPSFan | sorphin: g'day.. |
| 17:19.29 | sorphin | GPSFan: how's life in Paeonia(sp)? |
| 17:20.08 | GPSFan | sorphin: Paonia.. great, beautiful (cool) weather today, just got back in. |
| 17:20.20 | sorphin | cool |
| 17:20.29 | sorphin | much to do now w/ it being fall/winter? |
| 17:20.29 | GPSFan | 41F |
| 17:21.00 | sorphin | well, besides the animals |
| 17:21.01 | GPSFan | not much, just tool some sheep of to the "processor" |
| 17:21.17 | sorphin | taking away their winter coats? |
| 17:21.18 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:21.20 | GPSFan | took even.. |
| 17:21.41 | sorphin | or lambchops? |
| 17:21.42 | sorphin | hehe |
| 17:21.51 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 17:22.02 | sorphin | don't forget the mint jelly ;) |
| 17:22.23 | GPSFan | goes well with mnt jelly, yumm.. |
| 17:22.37 | GPSFan | mint even, must be a monday.. |
| 17:22.50 | sorphin | ~monday |
| 17:22.51 | purl | hmm... monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix |
| 17:23.03 | sorphin | except |
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| 17:23.07 | sorphin | only 3 days for me |
| 17:23.10 | sorphin | so screw friday |
| 17:23.58 | GPSFan | about time to start thinking snow.. |
| 17:24.03 | sorphin | eww |
| 17:24.06 | sorphin | no thanks |
| 17:24.42 | GPSFan | sorry, we'll keep it all here, thank you verry verry verrry much.. |
| 17:24.57 | sorphin | hehe |
| 17:25.10 | jbevren | lol |
| 17:25.19 | sorphin | GPSFan: i had enough snow living in WI to last me forever :P |
| 17:25.23 | jbevren | the firmware bootstrap loader for the dtv2 hummer game's written by my friend |
| 17:25.40 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:27.26 | sorphin | GPSFan: good pics of the farm on the paonia.com website? |
| 17:29.41 | GPSFan | sorphin: quite a few.. |
| 17:30.03 | GPSFan | oops www.desertweyr.com |
| 17:30.53 | jbevren | lol |
| 17:31.19 | jbevren | GPSFan: whats the value of the resistor on nCS? :-X |
| 17:32.34 | GPSFan | jbevren: on what platform? Zipit? |
| 17:32.37 | sorphin | GPSFan: that weather on the front page from your webpal? ;) |
| 17:32.49 | GPSFan | sorphin: yes. |
| 17:33.22 | prpplague | GPSFan: hey hey |
| 17:34.00 | sorphin | GPSFan: :) |
| 17:34.08 | sorphin | GPSFan: typo on the front page |
| 17:34.26 | sorphin | Whole aniamls availabel as custom cuts. |
| 17:34.46 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.55 | sorphin | aniamls availabel |
| 17:35.14 | jbevren | GPSFan: yeah |
| 17:35.19 | sorphin | i think that meant to say |
| 17:35.20 | jbevren | I lifted and lost that resistor :( |
| 17:35.21 | jbevren | :) |
| 17:35.32 | jbevren | its the line used for CS on the mmc |
| 17:35.34 | sorphin | "Whole animals available as well as custom cuts" |
| 17:35.42 | sorphin | jbevren: bah, who needs a CS line ;) |
| 17:36.20 | jbevren | sorphin :) |
| 17:36.33 | jbevren | sorphin: I mentioned adding another CS line somewhere to get more than one mmc ;-) |
| 17:36.41 | GPSFan | jbevren: hold on a min, let me go measure. |
| 17:36.42 | jbevren | adding one line gives you 4 mmc's lol |
| 17:36.46 | jbevren | GPSFan: thanks :D |
| 17:37.01 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:37.21 | sorphin | i guess i'll never get the obsession w/ the ScrapIt |
| 17:38.00 | GPSFan | sorphin: "custom cuts" is the term used for non-USDA processed animals. customer needs to buy the whole animal. USDA processed customer can buy pieces. |
| 17:38.33 | sorphin | GPSFan: ah, well either way, animals available is misspelled on the page :) |
| 17:39.15 | prpplague | hehe, i own $9,578 on my car and its only worth $7,800 |
| 17:39.25 | prpplague | what a piece of junk |
| 17:39.28 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:39.42 | jbevren | my sister buy's 1/4 animal from a friend |
| 17:39.48 | jbevren | costs her $250 after processing |
| 17:39.52 | jbevren | (for 1/4 beef) |
| 17:40.33 | prpplague | paid $28,000 for it and just 3 years later its only worth $7,800 thats what i call horrible resale value |
| 17:40.45 | sorphin | prpplague: and what is it? |
| 17:40.55 | prpplague | sorphin: hyundai tiburon GT |
| 17:40.57 | sorphin | ah |
| 17:41.01 | sorphin | that'd be why ;) |
| 17:41.02 | sorphin | hehe |
| 17:41.06 | prpplague | yea |
| 17:41.08 | sorphin | the mini is 2 years old now |
| 17:41.12 | sorphin | still worth $20k |
| 17:41.19 | sorphin | paid $25k |
| 17:41.31 | prpplague | yea it wasn't my choice of a car to purchase |
| 17:42.08 | prpplague | the legacy of my ex-wife keeps on giving after shes been dead and burried for a year |
| 17:42.41 | sorphin | prpplague: she's the gift that keeps on giving till she kills you |
| 17:42.42 | sorphin | heh |
| 17:42.52 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:43.03 | GPSFan | so ah, thanks.. |
| 17:43.13 | prpplague | sorphin: jsut wasn't expecting a $21k loss in just 3 years |
| 17:43.25 | sorphin | yeah |
| 17:43.27 | prpplague | sorphin: it only has 30k miles, like new |
| 17:43.35 | sorphin | america's best warranty |
| 17:43.43 | sorphin | doesn't mean america's best resell value ;) |
| 17:43.44 | sorphin | hehe |
| 17:43.47 | prpplague | sorphin: 10 years 100.000 miles |
| 17:44.01 | sorphin | i know |
| 17:44.05 | prpplague | yea but 21k? |
| 17:44.36 | sorphin | prpplague: sure dragging it to barbados didn't kill it? |
| 17:44.45 | prpplague | sorphin: didn't drag it to barbados |
| 17:44.50 | prpplague | sorphin: its in storage |
| 17:45.10 | prpplague | sorphin: that would have been a double whammy |
| 17:45.11 | sorphin | ah |
| 17:45.30 | prpplague | sorphin: the duty is computed by both the engine size and the initial price |
| 17:45.32 | GPSFan | jbevren: R9=100k pull up, R23=10K pull down, R26=100K pull up, R27=10K pull down, R28=100K pull up. |
| 17:45.49 | prpplague | sorphin: i would have had to pay around $45kUSD to bring it into barbados |
| 17:46.17 | sorphin | prpplague: cute |
| 17:46.24 | prpplague | sorphin: when i could just buy a mini for around $9kUSD |
| 17:46.46 | prpplague | why? |
| 17:46.54 | sorphin | unhappy w/ the build quality |
| 17:47.11 | prpplague | ahh |
| 17:47.50 | prpplague | sorphin: i drove the tiburon for about 6 months, other than that its been in storage for almost 2 years |
| 17:47.51 | sorphin | leaning towards the 350Z roadster |
| 17:47.58 | sorphin | nod |
| 17:48.10 | prpplague | it really sucks |
| 17:48.18 | prpplague | can get rid of it |
| 17:48.21 | prpplague | can't |
| 17:48.40 | sorphin | yeah |
| 17:52.15 | prpplague | sorphin: i need something to calm down not speed up |
| 17:58.07 | prpplague | sorphin: i should not have sold my 4-door ford escort when i left the US |
| 17:58.32 | prpplague | sorphin: i paid just $2k for it and it was work $20k in my book |
| 17:58.42 | prpplague | sorphin: had 75k miles on it |
| 18:03.02 | sorphin | heh |
| 18:03.24 | sorphin | goign to lunch ,bbl |
| 18:08.35 | GPSFan | jbevren: you get the resistor values?? |
| 18:09.25 | jbevren | oh |
| 18:09.36 | jbevren | got em, I'll stuff 'em in a text file |
| 18:15.01 | prpplague | GPSFan: hey, why don't post some stuff on the elinux.org wiki for the zipit mmc? |
| 18:15.50 | prpplague | GPSFan: still haven't figured out why the devfs stuff isn't compiling |
| 18:16.02 | jbevren | yeah like the resistor values, since I'm not going to be the only one to lift em :) |
| 18:16.25 | jbevren | :D |
| 18:34.40 | jbevren | prpplague: I think an mmc should be stuffed along with 64k ram into a zx81, and zsdos or zpm+ run from a mmc :) |
| 18:37.59 | prpplague | doh |
| 18:38.01 | prpplague | my switch seems to have frozen |
| 18:38.09 | prpplague | jbevren: ew |
| 18:38.11 | prpplague | jbevren: why not uzix? |
| 18:38.21 | prpplague | jbevren: bit bang spi for the mmc/sd would be very easy to do |
| 18:40.43 | jbevren | hmm |
| 18:40.48 | jbevren | honestly, I havent worked with uzix |
| 18:41.34 | prpplague | jbevren: http://uzix.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:42.11 | jbevren | hmm |
| 18:42.20 | jbevren | what's the ram requirements? This reminds me of ACE somewhat |
| 18:42.31 | jbevren | that said, more software's available for cp/m ;-) |
| 18:42.40 | prpplague | iirc min is 4k |
| 18:42.49 | prpplague | jbevren: true |
| 18:42.57 | prpplague | jbevren: but i was want a more nix like os |
| 18:42.59 | jbevren | looks neat |
| 18:43.04 | jbevren | yeah |
| 18:43.07 | jbevren | like WiNGS |
| 18:43.48 | jbevren | http://wings.webhop.org/ |
| 18:43.49 | jbevren | ;-) |
| 18:43.54 | jbevren | very unixlike |
| 18:44.10 | jbevren | runs on 65816 cpu's, and uses up to 16M linear ram |
| 18:44.26 | jbevren | and "there's very little in the kernel that assumes there's only one cpu" |
| 18:45.17 | jbevren | sadly, it requires an accelerator that's as hard to find as rain in the sahara |
| 18:45.26 | jbevren | I want to build a homebrew box to run it ;-) |
| 18:45.49 | prpplague | jbevren: yea found the page |
| 18:46.48 | jbevren | wonder if jole's page is still around |
| 18:46.58 | jbevren | hm doesnt look like it |
| 18:47.39 | jbevren | funny thing is, |
| 18:47.46 | jbevren | Jolse Maginnis wrote JOS, |
| 18:47.53 | jbevren | Chester (something) wrote CLiPS |
| 18:48.07 | jbevren | and when they joined, protivision started acting like they created WiNGS |
| 18:48.25 | jbevren | and went off on the only people developing stuff for the OS (who are neither chester nor jolse) for discussing additions publicly |
| 18:49.49 | prpplague | i see |
| 18:53.46 | GPSFan | prpplague: I haven't figured out how to upload pictures to the elinux wiki, it seems you can do it, but isn't clear (to me that is). |
| 18:57.08 | prpplague | GPSFan: just add the statement like this: attachment:bigpic.jpg |
| 18:57.13 | prpplague | GPSFan: then save the page |
| 18:57.46 | prpplague | GPSFan: after you save the page, where the image is suppose to be, there will be a link that says "Upload bigpic.jpg" |
| 18:57.51 | GPSFan | that will upload it? |
| 18:58.09 | prpplague | GPSFan: just click on the link and follow the prompts |
| 18:58.21 | GPSFan | I'll try it.. |
| 18:58.29 | prpplague | GPSFan: basically similiar to sending an attachment on something like yahoo mail |
| 19:00.10 | GPSFan | prpplague: re the devfs stuff, I figured out why my code works. mmc.c includes blk.h which includes blkdev.h which includes genhd.h which includes devfs_fs_kernel.h --IF-- __kernel__ is set. which it is. |
| 19:01.20 | GPSFan | so my call to the devfs stuff is replaced bu calls to the standard blk device stuff. |
| 19:02.36 | GPSFan | now as to why your code won't compile (or is it run) without devfs, I have no clue... |
| 19:05.46 | sorphin | GPSFan: funny how the personal page, only happens to have you in the pic, but that's it.. hehe she took over the page |
| 19:06.01 | prpplague | GPSFan: my code should be identical |
| 19:06.41 | prpplague | hmm, i'm not including blk.h |
| 19:06.52 | sorphin | whoa... gpsfan has a hummer... (and not one of those lame H2 jeep looking things either) :) :) |
| 19:07.47 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:09.19 | sorphin | prpplague: yeah yeah, we know hillbilly ;) |
| 19:11.12 | prpplague | GPSFan: where do you include blk.h? |
| 19:12.35 | prpplague | GPSFan: nm, i'm on crack |
| 19:17.00 | sorphin | prpplague: tell us something we don't know, dave ;) |
| 19:17.00 | sorphin | hehe |
| 19:34.27 | GPSFan | prpplague: additions to the wiki are up. it dowsn't prevent 2 people from editing at the same time, and I lost one round of changes 'cause someone else saved while I was editing. :>( |
| 19:46.40 | GPSFan | sorphin: my wife does websites, and did ours, my projects are somewhat, uhhh, unpublished.. |
| 19:49.58 | prpplague | GPSFan: who was editing? |
| 19:50.08 | prpplague | GPSFan: normally there are some locks |
| 19:59.35 | sorphin | GPSFan: ah |
| 20:03.45 | GPSFan | prpplague: I think it was GlennMeader(?) I was editing away, and when I hit preview, it said someone had swave while I was editing and that I should review the saved page and chech the changelog. |
| 20:04.53 | GPSFan | man, I can't type today... |
| 20:52.47 | jbevren | the changelog is in Czeck? |
| 20:52.57 | jbevren | er |
| 20:53.00 | jbevren | Czech |
| 20:58.36 | Genesis | bonne nuit |
| 21:01.40 | prpplague | pea-nut |
| 23:24.03 | jbevren | Johnny :) |
| 23:24.04 | jbevren | er |
| 23:24.06 | jbevren | dammit |
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