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| 14:55.29 | sunrunner20 | soldering to gold is just like everythign else, right? |
| 14:55.47 | prpplague | sunrunner20: i find so |
| 14:55.59 | prpplague | sunrunner20: gold plated contacts are easy to solder to |
| 14:56.00 | sunrunner20 | thats what I thought |
| 14:56.14 | sunrunner20 | iirc, most commerical contacts ARE gold plated... |
| 14:56.18 | prpplague | sunrunner20: the only thing you have to worry about with gold is that it wicks bert easy |
| 14:56.22 | prpplague | very |
| 14:56.36 | sunrunner20 | http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=433029&page=1&pp=30 |
| 14:56.37 | prpplague | sunrunner20: i don't get gold plated on my proto boards |
| 14:57.59 | sunrunner20 | that guy HAS to be nervious |
| 14:58.15 | prpplague | sunrunner20: he really should check the pinout of the chip first |
| 14:58.25 | prpplague | chances are its probably nothing more than a ground pin |
| 14:59.23 | prpplague | does it saw what kind of chip it is? |
| 15:00.29 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 15:00.34 | sunrunner20 | AMD opteron "CABNE" |
| 15:00.41 | sunrunner20 | thats not a core |
| 15:00.45 | sunrunner20 | getting translated... |
| 15:05.42 | prpplague | yea looks like that pin is a memory line |
| 15:05.46 | prpplague | surprised |
| 15:05.53 | prpplague | i would have suspected it would be a ground |
| 15:08.31 | sunrunner20 | o.0 |
| 15:08.40 | sunrunner20 | socket 939 |
| 15:09.29 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:09.33 | prpplague | i just checked |
| 15:09.59 | prpplague | he's better off not using the original pin |
| 15:10.31 | prpplague | best solution for that is to use a solder wire and solder to the pin then cut it |
| 15:10.50 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 15:11.51 | sunrunner20 | anyway you put it you need that pin -_- |
| 15:14.10 | prpplague | tin the pin, tin the pad, then hot glue it in place, then heat the base |
| 15:21.56 | jbevren | wtf? |
| 15:22.12 | jbevren | the webpack cd has no jtag tools? |
| 15:23.01 | sunrunner20 | um |
| 15:23.04 | sunrunner20 | impact |
| 15:23.39 | sunrunner20 | impact is the programming/readback tool |
| 15:24.00 | jbevren | the webpack cd doesnt have impact? |
| 15:24.07 | jbevren | its the only cd that comes with the cpld kit |
| 15:24.13 | jbevren | how am I supposed to program the pld? :) |
| 15:24.16 | sunrunner20 | it does have impact |
| 15:24.17 | sunrunner20 | foo |
| 15:24.23 | jbevren | I ran setup |
| 15:24.23 | sunrunner20 | musta installed it wrong |
| 15:24.26 | jbevren | where'd impact go |
| 15:24.35 | jbevren | how do you do a 'full install' wrong? |
| 15:24.35 | sunrunner20 | jbevren: i have the exact same thing and i've got impact |
| 15:25.07 | sunrunner20 | jbevren: do a sum of hte size of the files on the disk |
| 15:25.15 | sunrunner20 | see if its the same as mine |
| 15:25.18 | sunrunner20 | also |
| 15:25.21 | sunrunner20 | will be in accessories |
| 15:25.25 | sunrunner20 | on startmenu |
| 15:25.26 | sunrunner20 | in windows |
| 15:26.20 | jbevren | ok, why isnt it in the process navigator? |
| 15:26.28 | jbevren | grr |
| 15:26.30 | sunrunner20 | hell if i know |
| 15:26.32 | sunrunner20 | is it there? |
| 15:26.35 | jbevren | seems so |
| 15:26.47 | jbevren | Just wanted to test the jtag connection with a boundary scan |
| 15:27.03 | jbevren | I'm not impressed with this suite |
| 15:27.08 | jbevren | the linux version tries to write to the cd |
| 15:27.13 | jbevren | and then dies miserably when it fails |
| 15:27.13 | sunrunner20 | rotflmao |
| 15:27.20 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 15:27.24 | sunrunner20 | a new version is coming out soon |
| 15:27.27 | jbevren | the windows version half-configurs itself :) |
| 15:27.32 | jbevren | yeah, 8 seems to be on the website |
| 15:27.38 | sunrunner20 | 8.1i is delayed for a month |
| 15:27.52 | sunrunner20 | due to stability |
| 15:28.32 | jbevren | yay, two devices |
| 15:28.39 | sunrunner20 | :p |
| 15:28.40 | sunrunner20 | yupers |
| 15:28.44 | jbevren | is the new kit available for real? :) |
| 15:29.04 | jbevren | nope. |
| 15:29.06 | jbevren | still not |
| 15:29.12 | jbevren | they claim it is on their website. |
| 15:30.22 | sunrunner20 | no |
| 15:30.25 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 15:30.29 | sunrunner20 | dont' bother |
| 15:30.31 | sunrunner20 | i know its not out |
| 15:30.52 | jbevren | so why are they falsely advertizing that it is |
| 15:30.58 | sunrunner20 | don't knwo |
| 15:31.01 | jbevren | :) |
| 15:32.01 | jbevren | grr ie6 installs Alexa extensions (data mining, tracking) |
| 15:32.27 | sunrunner20 | i know all about alexa |
| 15:32.58 | jbevren | do you know what IP addresses they use? |
| 15:33.09 | jbevren | I already have 7500 IPs blocked at my router heh |
| 15:33.17 | jbevren | whats a few more |
| 15:33.30 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 15:33.44 | jbevren | ppc:~# iptables-save |wc -l |
| 15:33.44 | jbevren | 7514 |
| 15:34.17 | sunrunner20 | jbevren: only problem, you have to use up a cell to keep the button from being the reset button |
| 15:34.30 | jbevren | eh? |
| 15:34.41 | sunrunner20 | look at the dev'boards release manual |
| 15:34.51 | sunrunner20 | XC2XL-rm.pdf |
| 15:35.01 | jbevren | so dont press the reset button :) |
| 15:35.10 | sunrunner20 | :p |
| 15:35.15 | sunrunner20 | execpt i wanted user io |
| 15:35.17 | sunrunner20 | so i killed it |
| 15:35.19 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 15:35.20 | sunrunner20 | my dad die |
| 15:35.22 | sunrunner20 | *did |
| 15:36.57 | sunrunner20 | i've got the feeling i'll quickly run outta cells in a PLD |
| 15:37.17 | sunrunner20 | then i'll have to grab my dad's FPGA dev board from teh closet |
| 15:39.17 | jbevren | hm |
| 15:39.32 | jbevren | knwo where the default implementation for the spartan3 board is? |
| 15:39.37 | jbevren | I want to look at its sources :) |
| 15:40.54 | sunrunner20 | nope |
| 15:41.08 | sunrunner20 | i only knwo the stuff i've worked with :o |
| 15:41.11 | sunrunner20 | and thats not much atm |
| 15:41.12 | sunrunner20 | hell |
| 15:41.20 | sunrunner20 | i need to find the sources for the clpd board |
| 15:41.27 | sunrunner20 | oh |
| 15:41.33 | sunrunner20 | huge ass electronics reseller |
| 15:41.36 | sunrunner20 | i forget what it is :\ |
| 15:41.37 | sunrunner20 | online |
| 15:41.41 | sunrunner20 | nm |
| 15:41.42 | sunrunner20 | digikey |
| 15:52.29 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:52.48 | jbevren | I like the schmartboard concept |
| 15:52.53 | jbevren | gonna have to get one or two to test |
| 15:53.08 | prpplague | yea i've used some of the belydin systems for years |
| 15:53.42 | prpplague | http://www.beldynsys.com/ |
| 15:54.04 | prpplague | jbevren: reset lines aren't always an accepted item |
| 15:54.12 | jbevren | ahh |
| 15:54.20 | jbevren | oh I like these boards |
| 15:54.24 | prpplague | jbevren: alot of boards actuall tie the nTRST to nRST |
| 15:54.29 | jbevren | (just glancing at the main page) |
| 15:54.37 | prpplague | jbevren: so when you issue a nTRST you get a cpu reset as well |
| 15:54.40 | jbevren | doh! |
| 15:55.11 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:56.49 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:57.08 | jbevren | I need a remote bookmarks system |
| 15:57.18 | jbevren | too many separate browser instances |
| 15:57.37 | prpplague | jbevren: try using elinux.org/wiki |
| 15:57.46 | prpplague | jbevren: just add your own page |
| 15:58.04 | jbevren | ah, the wiki does link management? |
| 15:58.11 | jbevren | can I make a private page? (I'm paranoid) |
| 15:58.28 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/wiki/prpplague |
| 15:58.55 | prpplague | jbevren: just keep it mostly technical it will be fine |
| 16:05.00 | sunrunner20 | lol |
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| 16:05.04 | sunrunner20 | jbevren: get a website ;p |
| 16:05.10 | sunrunner20 | www.totalchoicehosting.com |
| 16:05.17 | sunrunner20 | highquality, good techsupport and DIRT cheap |
| 16:05.24 | sunrunner20 | </shamlessplug> |
| 16:05.29 | sunrunner20 | *greate |
| 16:05.47 | jbevren | and? |
| 16:05.50 | jbevren | I have a link :P |
| 16:05.53 | jbevren | http://hostgator.com |
| 16:05.56 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 16:05.59 | sunrunner20 | no ads |
| 16:06.03 | sunrunner20 | this is like $50/yr man |
| 16:06.06 | sunrunner20 | well |
| 16:06.07 | sunrunner20 | 55 |
| 16:06.14 | jbevren | Ive heard about that host |
| 16:06.14 | sunrunner20 | hosting&dns in that sum |
| 16:06.19 | jbevren | a few of our clients hated it htere |
| 16:06.21 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.25 | sunrunner20 | o.09 |
| 16:06.29 | sunrunner20 | i'm loven it |
| 16:06.39 | sunrunner20 | i've had zero problems |
| 16:06.42 | jbevren | my hosting costs $0 |
| 16:07.02 | jbevren | I help the admin with 1-2 probs/year, and they give me hosting and pay for my domain |
| 16:07.34 | jbevren | hmm |
| 16:07.39 | jbevren | air pressure's up |
| 16:07.45 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 16:07.58 | jbevren | snow today? heh |
| 16:08.07 | jbevren | not unless a front moves in |
| 16:08.12 | jbevren | :D |
| 21:02.08 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 21:02.13 | sunrunner20 | $55 machine |
| 21:02.18 | sunrunner20 | 800mhz via cpu |
| 21:02.28 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.29 | sunrunner20 | i think i'll turn that into our firewall |
| 21:02.42 | sunrunner20 | has more mips than a 233 |
| 21:02.58 | jbevren | bogomips? ) |
| 21:02.59 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.02 | sunrunner20 | ;p |
| 21:03.09 | jbevren | bogomips : 199.88 |
| 21:03.15 | jbevren | lol |
| 21:03.26 | sunrunner20 | what the hell |
| 21:03.34 | sunrunner20 | your on a 200mhz 486? |
| 21:03.38 | jbevren | cpu : 82xx |
| 21:03.38 | jbevren | revision : 16.20 (pvr 8081 1014) |
| 21:03.42 | jbevren | :) |
| 21:03.49 | sunrunner20 | good lord man |
| 21:03.53 | sunrunner20 | you need an upgrade |
| 21:03.55 | jbevren | vendor : Artis |
| 21:03.55 | jbevren | machine : A3000 |
| 21:03.55 | jbevren | processor : PVID: 0x80811014, vendor: Motorola |
| 21:04.01 | jbevren | cpu is soldered on |
| 21:04.02 | jbevren | 250mhz |
| 21:04.07 | jbevren | no heatsink :) uses ~2w |
| 21:04.37 | sunrunner20 | i don't get some people |
| 21:04.42 | sunrunner20 | they wonder why they get depressed |
| 21:04.47 | sunrunner20 | when they don't sleep more than 4 hours a night |
| 21:04.48 | jbevren | thats not my workstation :) |
| 21:04.51 | sunrunner20 | and listen ot korn all day |
| 21:04.53 | jbevren | the thing doesnt even support video cards |
| 21:04.55 | sunrunner20 | what is the workstation? |
| 21:05.00 | jbevren | which one :) |
| 21:05.05 | sunrunner20 | fastest :p |
| 21:05.14 | jbevren | the amd64 3200+? the p3/1400? the dual PA8600/550? |
| 21:05.22 | jbevren | the r12k/300mhz? |
| 21:05.24 | jbevren | :D |
| 21:05.26 | sunrunner20 | :p |
| 21:05.37 | jbevren | the one I use for work is a p3/1400 |
| 21:05.39 | sunrunner20 | the a64 is probally the fastst |
| 21:05.40 | jbevren | the one I'm on now |
| 21:05.43 | sunrunner20 | *is the |
| 21:05.53 | sunrunner20 | with the right config : |
| 21:05.55 | sunrunner20 | p |
| 21:07.56 | sunrunner20 | and i feel like i'm going to run the crap outta the cpld board prettyfast |
| 21:08.08 | sunrunner20 | good thing we have spartian3 demo board ;p |
| 21:08.29 | sunrunner20 | i think we have a box of random demo boards ;\ |
| 21:08.43 | jbevren | my favorite machine has .3 mips |
| 21:08.45 | jbevren | :) |
| 21:09.06 | jbevren | average instruction latency of 2.5 cycles |
| 21:09.50 | sunrunner20 | what the fuck |
| 21:09.54 | sunrunner20 | c64? |
| 21:10.01 | jbevren | :D |
| 21:10.20 | sunrunner20 | what DOESN"T lag on that thing? |
| 21:10.27 | jbevren | a 1mhz computer so complex that 1.5ghz systems have problems emulating it |
| 21:10.36 | jbevren | sunrunner20: properly written code doesnt lag. |
| 21:10.52 | jbevren | grep doesnt need to be 3 megs in size |
| 21:11.04 | jbevren | iirc my modified grep was only 12k |
| 21:11.10 | sunrunner20 | so your saying you can play solitair full speed... |
| 21:11.42 | sunrunner20 | and handle 240+ cps |
| 21:12.15 | jbevren | when did I say that |
| 21:12.23 | sunrunner20 | saying it doesn't lag :p |
| 21:12.31 | jbevren | with properly written software |
| 21:12.32 | jbevren | it doesnt. |
| 21:12.42 | jbevren | good example: windows 2000 on a 128meg celeron 300 |
| 21:12.43 | jbevren | runs great |
| 21:12.47 | jbevren | windows xp on same system |
| 21:12.49 | jbevren | not worth a crap |
| 21:12.53 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 21:12.54 | jbevren | win2k is better written |
| 21:12.56 | jbevren | less bloat |
| 21:13.04 | sunrunner20 | if you change xp settings it runs fine |
| 21:13.19 | jbevren | same example: win3.11 on a 486/66 with 4M ram |
| 21:13.20 | jbevren | runs great |
| 21:13.27 | jbevren | windows xp on a 486.. doesnt boot |
| 21:13.28 | jbevren | :) |
| 21:13.30 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 21:13.31 | sunrunner20 | i know that |
| 21:13.36 | sunrunner20 | -_- |
| 21:13.40 | sunrunner20 | win3.11 |
| 21:13.45 | sunrunner20 | when its not crashed... |
| 21:13.47 | jbevren | point is, properly written software has perfectly acceptable response times |
| 21:14.02 | jbevren | again (crash): properly written software simply doesnt crash. |
| 21:14.06 | jbevren | looka t the amiga |
| 21:14.16 | jbevren | during its entire lifetime, they didnt use the MMU |
| 21:14.20 | jbevren | so there was no memory protection |
| 21:14.39 | jbevren | yet it was known to be a very stable OS. Why? Because publishers that released crap software were boycotted into bankruptcy |
| 21:15.10 | jbevren | it multitasked in 32bit mode since its inception too, on 8mhz first-generation processors |
| 21:15.24 | jbevren | and was fast enough to be used in real-time applications -without- disabling the task switcher |
| 21:15.31 | jbevren | its all about properly written software |
| 21:15.42 | jbevren | :D |
| 21:16.07 | sunrunner20 | will still likely lag behind a fast typeer :p |
| 21:16.24 | jbevren | in fact, no |
| 21:16.28 | jbevren | I had an amiga 600 :) |
| 21:16.31 | jbevren | 1M ram, 8mhz cpu |
| 21:16.38 | jbevren | the GUI word processor kept up nicely |
| 21:16.52 | jbevren | and even while reading/writing floppies, it was 100% responsive |
| 21:17.06 | sunrunner20 | unlike windows *cough* |
| 21:17.15 | jbevren | my point: properly written software :) |
| 21:17.50 | jbevren | you could only imagine the fun I had when I put 8M and a 32mhz 68020 in my a600 |
| 21:17.56 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 21:18.20 | jbevren | the graphics drawing wasnt the fastest, but I have yet to have such an experience of smoothness on x86 |
| 21:18.31 | jbevren | beos is nicely zippy, but its also dead in the water |
| 21:18.44 | jbevren | if linux didnt do what I want it to, I'd not use it |
| 21:19.22 | jbevren | anywayt |
| 21:19.29 | jbevren | need to do lunch quick :0 |
| 21:19.30 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.01 | sunrunner20 | o.0 |
| 21:20.08 | sunrunner20 | how does linux not do what you want it too... |
| 21:21.38 | jbevren | if linux didnt do what I want it to, I'd not use it <- didnt. |
| 21:21.43 | jbevren | if it didnt. |
| 21:21.44 | jbevren | it does. |
| 21:21.46 | jbevren | almost |
| 21:21.51 | jbevren | I cant record audio without skips |
| 21:22.02 | jbevren | you'd -think- 1400mhz processors could handle 180k/sec streams |
| 21:22.06 | jbevren | but apparently not :0 |
| 21:22.19 | sunrunner20 | o.0 |
| 21:22.28 | sunrunner20 | my 1.2gig does... |
| 21:22.30 | jbevren | especially apalling considering my 16mhz korg mixer does 8 44khz channels without loss |
| 21:22.40 | jbevren | anyway |
| 21:22.43 | jbevren | out for lunch :0 |
| 23:39.00 | jbevren | loooong lunch (or something) |