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03:43.25jbevrenfh
03:43.27jbevrenhow's it?
05:07.09Genesisbonne nuit
05:11.10jbevrenhttp://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/Main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=CES11053
05:11.13jbevrenwhy didnt I think of this? :)
06:01.51fishheadvery bad
06:02.18fishheadhad bowel blockage today and grandma had to find my pills and hand them to me as I lay on the floor unable to move
06:02.28fishheadnow I am having panic attacks all over again
06:02.37fishheadback tomarrow :/
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13:21.04Genesisbonjour
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15:28.09jbevrenyawn
15:50.58jbevrenMorning Ken, Genesis
15:51.05jbevrenand everyone else that's idle
15:51.06jbevrenhehe
15:52.35jbevrenhttp://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=614
15:52.38jbevreninnit cuuuuuute?
16:04.58GPSFanjbevren: g'day, my ppc boards are due mon or tues.. ;>)
16:05.06jbevrenmonday for me :)
16:05.22jbevrenprpplague showed me some pam cradles for ps/2 kbd
16:05.32jbevrenso I went and shopped :(
16:05.38jbevrenand now an ibook 700's on the way
16:05.39jbevrengah.
16:05.44jbevrenits his fault!
16:05.47jbevren:)
16:06.28GPSFango on and blame poor prpplague, but you will be having all the fun with those toys. ;>)
16:07.44jbevrenhehe
16:07.55jbevrenI got a palm IIIxe too :-X
16:07.58jbevrenit was only 35 bucks
16:08.00jbevrenwhat the hey
16:08.12jbevrenpeople tell me I need an organizer :)
16:10.02GPSFanhaving one (or 2 or 3) and using one effectivly are different issues.
16:10.09jbevrenhehe
16:10.17jbevrenI'd probably use the todo thingy
16:10.24jbevrenand use it for grocery lists:)
16:11.47GPSFanthere is a much better grocery list program for palm, JShopper, my wife has been using it for years, at first she couldn't believe it would be more useful than just a list/todo list..
16:11.59jbevrenhehe
16:12.02jbevrencool
16:12.10jbevrenjshopper
16:12.27jbevrenits not arm-native is it?
16:12.32jbevrencause this is a 68k palm :)
16:12.49GPSFanyep, it's a pay for the full version, but not that much. they have both old palmos & new arm native versions.
16:13.00jbevrencool
16:13.04jbevren$10 is all
16:13.15jbevrenhmm
16:13.24jbevrenand when you enter an item it remembers what store to go to eh?
16:13.48GPSFanyep, you have multiple stores, and can enter prices, etc.
16:13.55jbevrenvery cool
16:15.11GPSFanmy wife has gone through 4 palm's so far, the original pilot (upgraded to 2M by me) 2 handspring visor's and the latest is a tungsten e2.
16:15.25GPSFanall had/have jshopper.
16:16.00jbevrenlol
16:16.06jbevrenzdnet requires you to regsiter to download,
16:16.16jbevrenbut the full URL for the download is in the URL to the register page
16:16.44GPSFan;>)
16:16.52GPSFancul, gotta run...
16:17.07jbevrenhehe
16:17.09jbevrenquick q if youre about
16:17.15jbevrendo you get free version upgrades? :)
16:17.31jbevrenguess he ran :)
16:21.09GPSFanI think so except for the change from 68k to arm.
16:21.15jbevrennod
16:21.17jbevrenthanks :)
16:21.48jbevrenthey have a mini db too
16:21.55jbevrenThanks ken :0
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21:28.53sunrunner20:\
21:32.41sunrunner20think i neeed more than two layers :\
21:46.08joe_bleauIf you're not etching it yourself, layers are pretty cheap these days...
21:51.02sunrunner20yea but not sub 200
21:51.07sunrunner20*100
21:51.34sunrunner20going to be spending enough as it is in devlopment
21:51.46sunrunner20REALLY want to get the physicall part of all this done right the first time
21:53.20sunrunner20a spartan 3e won't be cheap
21:54.20joe_bleauSample one?  Don't you have a Xilinx connection? (Maybe I'm confusing you with someone else, if so, sorry.)
21:55.47sunrunner20software side i do
21:55.56sunrunner20dad does EDK support
21:56.37joe_bleauThey're supposedly handing out 3e sample packs nowadays, maybe you could repurpose it?
21:57.30sunrunner20i'd have to transplant the fpga
21:59.48joe_bleauCould you use the sample pack as a plug on card?  It might not work out physically, if you're tight on space.
22:00.10sunrunner20would screw data integrety
22:01.13sunrunner20i think i can get it in 2 layers(maby) not sure though
22:01.34joe_bleauAnd that's not going to cause problems with SI?
22:01.56sunrunner20key word i think
22:01.58sunrunner20new to this :p
22:02.40joe_bleauI must admit, that new 3e starter kit looks *very* interesting.
22:03.48sunrunner20usb+8high current PWM channels that can source from 12v,7v,5v+LCD(8bit digital)+64meg ram(probally, maby less)+fpga programming flash+CF card interface
22:04.01joe_bleauRumor has it that they took SI into account and finally did the expansion connectors with plenty of ground pins!
22:04.37sunrunner20but how will you get 133+mhz accross there
22:06.00sunrunner20wait
22:06.08sunrunner203e has a dimm slot doesn't it *dope*
22:06.17joe_bleauEthernet PHY, too.
22:06.27sunrunner20yea
22:07.22sunrunner20no dimm
22:07.26sunrunner20just ram
22:07.38sunrunner20but
22:07.44sunrunner2064mbyte should be enough
22:08.36joe_bleauI don't remember seeing a DIMM socket on the starter kit, but I can't find a good pic right now.
22:08.45sunrunner20it doesn't
22:08.51sunrunner20there is no dimm
22:09.05sunrunner20just 64meg onbaord
22:09.12sunrunner20http://www.xilinx.com/bvdocs/images/ipcenter/product_images/HW-SPAR3E-SK-US_l.jpg
22:09.20joe_bleauSorry.  (I'm now looking at: http://www.xilinx.com/xlnx/xebiz/utils/image_window_product.jsp?valueA=HW-SPAR3E-SK-US)
22:09.51joe_bleaulol
22:10.02sunrunner20$150 is cheaper than prototyping -_-
22:10.46sunrunner20and probally small enough
22:10.53sunrunner20but does it have enough cells -_-
22:11.05joe_bleauLots of bang for your buck in that one, to be sure
22:11.38sunrunner20whats going to be nice is i've got a full version of model sim
22:11.55joe_bleau500k marketing gates, right?
22:12.02sunrunner20dunno
22:12.16sunrunner20yea
22:12.19sunrunner20500k on that one
22:12.35sunrunner20XC3s500E
22:12.36joe_bleauThen run your design through and see if it'll fit into a 3S500E
22:12.53sunrunner20i'm still learning on cplds atm
22:12.58joe_bleauI remember getting a 4005xl (I think) kit and being amazed that I could target a chip of that size with cheap tools
22:13.19joe_bleauNowadays the free tools take you to 500k, maybe 1M 'marketing' gates.
22:14.52joe_bleauI'm not seeing the CF interface...is it populated?
22:15.22sunrunner20i'd have to use expansion connectors
22:18.38sunrunner20a cf board will be like 3sqr inches
22:18.43sunrunner20no more than 2 layers
22:19.36sunrunner20heck
22:19.44sunrunner20i'll probally just dead bug a cf socket lol
22:20.57joe_bleauCould you go with serial memory (MMC/SD, xD)?  Fewer pins to deal with.
23:07.59sunrunner20prob
23:41.15sunrunner20:\
23:41.37sunrunner20can't do a microblaze on a 100E
23:41.40sunrunner20not enough LUTs
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