| 00:09.07 | fishhead | so much for ebaying it mint |
| 00:09.16 | fishhead | just tore open my jb 2nd mp3 kit |
| 00:09.22 | fishhead | see if the software app has a mp3 sort |
| 00:09.48 | fishhead | see if it can filter out non-cbr mp3s |
| 00:10.58 | fishhead | I should just trade off all my remaining juiceboxes for someone to mod a cart for me with sd pass thru |
| 00:11.03 | fishhead | so it could be used as a freaking decent mp3 player |
| 00:11.51 | fishhead | wonder if the ones with the older software as less fucked up |
| 00:11.59 | fishhead | don't chocke on vbr mp3s etc |
| 00:12.15 | fishhead | cause i'd spent $10 on a 2 meg jb if I knew that was true |
| 00:13.24 | fishhead | I hate my life |
| 00:13.27 | fishhead | nothing ever works right |
| 00:17.58 | fishhead | no wonder this thing flopped on the market |
| 00:21.26 | fishhead | now that would be a good jb app |
| 00:21.53 | fishhead | a simple terminal program that responds to rs232 commands mabye a crystal fonts or matrox orbital emulator |
| 00:22.07 | fishhead | you could use a junk dip rom from a old pc motherboard and attached to a cart |
| 00:22.32 | fishhead | just for simply using the juicebox as a serial display term |
| 00:23.28 | fishhead | something that fit in a 128kb or higher 29xxx series nor rom |
| 00:23.36 | fishhead | nor flash |
| 00:25.23 | fishhead | I need to talk to prpp about this tomarrow |
| 00:28.53 | GPSFan | jbevren: sounds like your boards came!! ppcboot is basically what is on the A3000 board, mine didn't come yet, ;>( hopefully tomorrow.. |
| 00:29.08 | jbevren | GPSFan: Nod |
| 00:29.18 | jbevren | I'm trying (failing) to build a kernel for it |
| 00:29.24 | jbevren | 2.6 wont even build with my crosskit |
| 00:29.38 | jbevren | 2.4 had some oddball openpic function not being defined, so I'm trying a mrproper'd kernel tree |
| 00:30.04 | jbevren | the denx kernel doesnt have support for the pdc20265 chip |
| 00:30.48 | jbevren | arch/ppc/kernel/entry.S(.text+0x13ac): undefined reference to `openpic_eoi' |
| 00:30.54 | jbevren | defined in open_pic.c |
| 00:31.01 | jbevren | but open_pic.c is never getting referenced during the build |
| 00:31.12 | jbevren | I'm using a copy of the a3000-patched 2.4.31 tree |
| 00:32.05 | jbevren | help? :D |
| 00:32.21 | jbevren | How do I force the build process to build and include open_pic.c? |
| 00:32.56 | GPSFan | I won't be able to try for a day or so, need boards first. are there any patches for the kernel? kernel 2.4.31 has some sort of driver for that. |
| 00:33.17 | jbevren | denx has a patch for the generic 'walnut' board |
| 00:33.29 | jbevren | this thing's about as generic as it gets, with the simple addition of a promise ide controller |
| 00:34.18 | jbevren | s/a patch/sources/ |
| 00:34.38 | jbevren | purl: nice try. hehe |
| 00:34.40 | purl | ACTION lowers try. hehe's priority |
| 00:35.39 | GPSFan | jbevren: well, I've been working on the A3000 lately, finally got SATA working, found a bug in busybos's e2fsprogs along the way, fixed now. |
| 00:36.32 | jbevren | I'm just irritated that a necessary source file isnt being built :P |
| 00:36.43 | jbevren | do you by chance know where the openpic config option is in menuconfig? |
| 00:39.25 | GPSFan | not off hand sorry.. |
| 00:44.41 | jbevren | seems smp-related |
| 01:08.16 | GPSFan | jbevren: open-pic stuff is in arch/ppc/kernel, but you probably already found that.. |
| 01:08.23 | jbevren | hehe |
| 01:08.27 | jbevren | yeah, I know where |
| 01:08.32 | jbevren | just dont now how to get the build system to .. build it |
| 01:08.48 | jbevren | and the denx kernel apparently wont let me turn the pdc driver on |
| 01:08.56 | jbevren | oh |
| 01:08.58 | jbevren | missed pci ide |
| 01:08.59 | jbevren | drr |
| 01:10.54 | jbevren | ide-proc.c:124: parse error before `*' |
| 01:10.59 | jbevren | -another- kernel tree broken |
| 01:11.05 | jbevren | grumble |
| 01:11.21 | GPSFan | so many bugs so little time... |
| 01:15.27 | jbevren | it fails in code that registers in procfs |
| 01:15.40 | jbevren | I dont know much about the kernel, but I guess I'm learning :P |
| 01:18.22 | GPSFan | jbevren: gotta have [/proc unless it's a very small memory embedded system. |
| 01:18.54 | jbevren | Oop |
| 01:18.58 | jbevren | I forgot serial tty |
| 01:18.58 | jbevren | but. |
| 01:19.05 | jbevren | I -did- see the ide led blip |
| 01:20.12 | jbevren | oh btw |
| 01:20.15 | jbevren | the power led is a nice soft blue |
| 01:21.08 | jbevren | Probing IDE interface ide2... |
| 01:21.08 | jbevren | hde: Maxtor 98196H8, ATA DISK drive |
| 01:21.11 | jbevren | yay! |
| 01:24.42 | GPSFan | jbevren: !! is there any sort of date code on the board? |
| 01:24.53 | jbevren | 'date code'? |
| 01:24.56 | jbevren | I'm in ppcboot again |
| 01:25.06 | jbevren | like, stamped on the pcb? |
| 01:26.15 | GPSFan | jbevren: find this yet? |
| 01:26.23 | GPSFan | http://supernova.stanford.edu/dingdong/ |
| 01:27.04 | jbevren | just a copyright date (2002) |
| 01:27.04 | jbevren | that's probably what they printed and sent int he box |
| 01:27.05 | jbevren | s |
| 01:27.33 | jbevren | heh |
| 01:27.34 | jbevren | yeah |
| 01:27.39 | jbevren | thats exactly what they printed and sent me |
| 01:27.52 | jbevren | oh |
| 01:27.58 | jbevren | saveenv currently does not save the environ |
| 01:28.43 | GPSFan | maybe need a jumper to enable write to the flash? |
| 01:28.56 | jbevren | flinfo shows most of it rw |
| 01:28.59 | jbevren | let me look here |
| 01:29.24 | jbevren | there's some documentation in silkscreen btw |
| 01:30.26 | jbevren | I dont see a jumperfor the flash |
| 01:31.06 | GPSFan | just a thought.. |
| 01:31.11 | jbevren | nod |
| 01:31.42 | GPSFan | so, you have a working .config for kernel 2.4.31? |
| 01:32.12 | jbevren | it boots and finds ide |
| 01:32.13 | jbevren | this is for um |
| 01:32.27 | jbevren | ftp://ftp.denx.de/pub/linux/linuxppc_2_4_devel-2005-10-25-1440.tar.bz2 |
| 01:32.39 | GPSFan | ah, thanks.. |
| 01:33.53 | jbevren | hm whats the driver for the natsemi chip |
| 01:34.09 | jbevren | I'm turning on useful stuff like networking now |
| 01:35.06 | jbevren | found it |
| 01:35.08 | jbevren | I'm blind tonight |
| 01:37.14 | GPSFan | what national chip? |
| 01:39.07 | jbevren | dp83843bvje |
| 01:40.09 | GPSFan | that's the phy the 405 has a built in 10/100 interface |
| 01:40.15 | jbevren | oh |
| 01:40.19 | jbevren | so I should enable the internal eth |
| 01:40.25 | jbevren | I figured they used the natsemi chip |
| 01:40.26 | jbevren | k |
| 01:42.03 | jbevren | if you have to add a phy, why not just add a whole eth chpi externally :) |
| 01:42.30 | GPSFan | yeah, my other 405 board has an lsi logic PHY http://pupa.da.ru/proxim/ |
| 01:43.00 | jbevren | hm 200mhz |
| 01:43.05 | jbevren | this is 266 :D |
| 01:43.15 | jbevren | 264 if you go by ppcboot's opinion |
| 01:43.38 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 01:44.12 | jbevren | fs/fs.o(.text+0x46232): undefined reference to `nfs_symlink_inode_operations' |
| 01:44.14 | jbevren | hmm |
| 01:44.17 | jbevren | it doesnt like nfs |
| 01:44.58 | GPSFan | gotta be turned on in the kernel. |
| 01:45.17 | jbevren | it is..? |
| 01:45.25 | jbevren | [*] nfs support |
| 01:45.27 | jbevren | :) |
| 01:45.28 | GPSFan | ;>( |
| 01:45.30 | jbevren | it builds otherwise |
| 01:47.39 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/digihome/kernel.txt |
| 01:48.46 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/digihome/config too |
| 01:48.53 | jbevren | htat's with nfs off |
| 01:49.42 | jbevren | btw, it fails in the final link |
| 01:49.48 | jbevren | not while building nfs |
| 01:50.03 | GPSFan | ?? |
| 01:50.09 | jbevren | wtf |
| 01:50.13 | jbevren | it builds with nfs suddenly? |
| 01:51.15 | GPSFan | :O |
| 01:52.15 | jbevren | it failed during final link |
| 01:52.16 | GPSFan | make clean and make often |
| 01:52.17 | jbevren | so I turned nfs off |
| 01:52.24 | jbevren | it built cleanly |
| 01:52.31 | jbevren | so I turned nfs on to reproduce and fix the error |
| 01:52.33 | jbevren | no error |
| 01:52.35 | jbevren | lol |
| 01:54.01 | jbevren | now I need a root env |
| 01:54.03 | jbevren | hehe |
| 01:54.27 | jbevren | remind me how to specify an initrd in ppcboot |
| 01:54.56 | *** join/#edev catastrop (n=catastr0@d14-69-178-65.try.wideopenwest.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 02:00.12 | *** join/#edev bryankemp (n=bryankem@cpe-70-123-129-170.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 02:00.31 | GPSFan | load it with tftpboot c00000 user.gz |
| 02:00.38 | jbevren | nod |
| 02:00.42 | jbevren | I just dont remember the bootm portion |
| 02:01.25 | GPSFan | bootm 400000 c00000 |
| 02:01.56 | jbevren | grr |
| 02:01.59 | jbevren | ## Loading RAMDisk Image at 00c00000 ... |
| 02:01.59 | jbevren | Bad Magic Number˙ |
| 02:02.03 | jbevren | the y being reset |
| 02:04.43 | jbevren | heh d'oh |
| 02:04.51 | jbevren | a test image I have is 40M and I'm wondering why it has a bad crc |
| 02:04.54 | jbevren | I only have 32M ram |
| 02:04.55 | jbevren | :D |
| 02:06.21 | GPSFan | what type of memory is the DIMM? I wonder if it will take more, they did put in a socket, so I hope so. |
| 02:06.35 | jbevren | pc133 dimm |
| 02:06.50 | GPSFan | yumm, got some of that... |
| 02:07.19 | jbevren | sdram0_cfg 80800000 |
| 02:07.19 | jbevren | 256 MB |
| 02:07.23 | jbevren | but it freezes |
| 02:07.28 | jbevren | however, I think this is a pc100 dimm |
| 02:07.31 | jbevren | grumble :) |
| 02:07.38 | jbevren | it's also ecc mem |
| 02:07.49 | jbevren | as I just realized:) |
| 02:07.57 | jbevren | afk dimm-hunting |
| 02:08.02 | GPSFan | ecc shouldn't matter but pc100/133 might. |
| 02:08.05 | jbevren | the included ram on mine is pretty good though |
| 02:08.12 | jbevren | CL2 and all |
| 02:08.26 | jbevren | pc100/133 matters. The ram is at 133mhz by the resistor stuffing setup |
| 02:11.19 | jbevren | I have a powerpc mac that would love that |
| 02:17.42 | jbevren | found a 64M that works :) |
| 02:20.52 | jbevren | apparently its not the ram |
| 02:21.03 | jbevren | the a3000 must use a different crc |
| 02:25.22 | jbevren | awesome. |
| 02:25.32 | jbevren | and I cant mount the ppc image on loopback cause my endianness is different |
| 02:25.36 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.40 | jbevren | vonderbar. |
| 02:27.38 | GPSFan | hmm, where did mkimage come from? |
| 02:27.54 | jbevren | from zipit hacking |
| 02:28.04 | jbevren | it works to make the kernel images |
| 02:28.34 | jbevren | cramfs: wrong magic |
| 02:28.36 | jbevren | grumble |
| 02:33.12 | jbevren | ftp://ftp.denx.de/pub/LinuxPPC/usr/src/SELF/images/ppc_4xx/pRamdisk gets me a shell |
| 02:33.50 | sunrunner20|slee | o.0 |
| 02:33.53 | sunrunner20|slee | are you trying to build a ppc distro? |
| 02:34.06 | jbevren | trying to get an unsupported linux board to boot linux |
| 02:34.12 | jbevren | or in this case, succeeding |
| 02:34.29 | jbevren | Linux version 2.4.25 (jbevren@guu.jbevren.net) (gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (rel |
| 02:34.29 | jbevren | ease)) #11 Mon Jan 23 20:30:57 CST 2006 |
| 02:34.30 | jbevren | :D |
| 02:34.44 | sunrunner20|slee | what board? |
| 02:35.01 | jbevren | http://supernova.stanford.edu/dingdong/ |
| 02:35.02 | jbevren | that one |
| 02:35.10 | sunrunner20|slee | dingdong o.o |
| 02:35.56 | jbevren | it doesnt have fdisk lol |
| 02:36.29 | GPSFan | hmmm I'm trying to find the source for mkimage, no luck.. |
| 02:36.48 | jbevren | I think I got it from either u-boot sources or the arm dev kit |
| 02:37.27 | jbevren | ok so now I just need fdisk |
| 02:37.28 | jbevren | heh |
| 02:37.29 | GPSFan | I think I may have gotten the binary from you. |
| 02:37.36 | jbevren | possibly |
| 02:38.03 | GPSFan | it seems to have appeared when I started doing A3000 stuff. |
| 02:39.39 | jbevren | I did have the debian netinst for ppc in a uImage |
| 02:39.44 | jbevren | I used it to install the a3000 |
| 02:39.54 | jbevren | danged if I can find it :D |
| 02:42.29 | jbevren | no portmapper either :( |
| 02:46.30 | GPSFan | jb you want one of my A3000 user.gz images? |
| 02:47.00 | jbevren | I'll work it out eventually ;-) |
| 02:47.01 | jbevren | thanks tho |
| 02:47.11 | jbevren | I'm waiting for rpc to time out so my nfs mount will finish |
| 02:48.30 | GPSFan | ah. I'll be starting with those user.gz images. busybox 1.1.0, uClibc 0.9.28. |
| 02:49.00 | jbevren | does it have fdisk? :) |
| 02:49.40 | GPSFan | yes, and e2fsprogs that work for ppc. |
| 02:50.16 | jbevren | ah ok |
| 02:50.19 | jbevren | can you dcc send it? |
| 02:50.30 | jbevren | or is it wget'able |
| 02:50.35 | jbevren | either works:) |
| 02:52.22 | jbevren | usj eh? |
| 02:53.12 | GPSFan | short name us for user, j for jffs2. one of a long line of us??.gz |
| 02:53.32 | jbevren | arg. |
| 02:53.40 | jbevren | can I have a tarball? these dont have flash |
| 02:53.57 | jbevren | or an ext2 image |
| 02:54.15 | GPSFan | you might have to change the resolv.conf, and it doesn't set up the ethernet. |
| 02:54.21 | jbevren | no prob |
| 02:54.41 | GPSFan | ah, let me give you the raw .gz before mkimage. |
| 02:54.45 | jbevren | ok |
| 02:54.57 | jbevren | if you can mkimage it too, it'll be doubly cool |
| 02:55.05 | jbevren | and remind me the switches for mkimage (grr) :) |
| 02:55.12 | GPSFan | that is the mkimage version. |
| 02:55.18 | jbevren | oh? |
| 02:55.22 | jbevren | for ppcboot? |
| 02:55.25 | GPSFan | yes |
| 02:55.27 | jbevren | I didnt think it'd work as a ramdisk |
| 02:55.32 | jbevren | (jffsfs) |
| 02:55.37 | jbevren | fsfsfs lol |
| 02:56.17 | GPSFan | jffs2 referes to the init scripts I have to mount the jffs2 partition if it exists. |
| 02:56.32 | jbevren | Ohhh |
| 02:56.39 | jbevren | so it is not a jffs2 image itself? |
| 02:56.39 | GPSFan | sorry, |
| 02:56.41 | GPSFan | no |
| 02:56.45 | jbevren | ok |
| 02:56.46 | jbevren | nevermind |
| 02:57.06 | GPSFan | it is set up for tftpboot c00000 usj.gz |
| 02:57.11 | jbevren | ok |
| 02:57.34 | jbevren | so now all we have to do is get saveenv to work |
| 02:57.43 | GPSFan | I'll dcc you the before mkimage too |
| 02:57.57 | jbevren | ok |
| 02:59.53 | GPSFan | just try to boot it and see if ppcboot likes the crc. |
| 03:00.04 | jbevren | yeah |
| 03:00.05 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.08 | jbevren | already have it mounted :) |
| 03:00.13 | GPSFan | !! |
| 03:00.22 | jbevren | thats a 1G strip of an 80gig disk |
| 03:00.32 | jbevren | thats the usj.gz |
| 03:01.09 | GPSFan | ifconfig eth0 192.168.xx.xx and see if the network works |
| 03:01.18 | jbevren | it should, it did on the denx image |
| 03:01.37 | jbevren | PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1): 56 data bytes |
| 03:01.37 | jbevren | 84 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=4.6 ms |
| 03:02.03 | GPSFan | now do mount -t nfs -o nolock -o tcp 192.168.x.y:/ /mnt |
| 03:02.23 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.25 | GPSFan | where x.y is your nfs server V3 |
| 03:02.29 | jbevren | my nfsd doesnt support tcp :) |
| 03:02.40 | GPSFan | then don't do -o tcp |
| 03:02.59 | jbevren | # df -h /nfs |
| 03:02.59 | jbevren | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 03:02.59 | jbevren | 192.168.1.13:/export/archive 638.9G 562.5G 76.4G 88% /nfs |
| 03:03.02 | jbevren | workz |
| 03:03.05 | GPSFan | !! |
| 03:03.27 | jbevren | and while I have it mounted, I'll put the kernel in /dev/hde1 |
| 03:03.36 | jbevren | I -think- ppcboot expects a raw kernel in a partition |
| 03:03.39 | jbevren | heh |
| 03:03.41 | jbevren | we'll find out |
| 03:03.54 | GPSFan | yea! progress... |
| 03:06.05 | jbevren | Since U-Boot cannot read files from a filesystem you should create one (or more) small partitions (maybe 1 MB or so) if you want to boot from the "disk". |
| 03:06.07 | jbevren | http://www.denx.de/wiki/view/DULG/UsingPCCard |
| 03:07.16 | GPSFan | ah, the ppcboot on the A3000 wants the kernel & ramdisk each in their own part of the flash, it makes sense that it would want them on their own partition of a hdd. |
| 03:07.29 | jbevren | theyre just separate files I guess |
| 03:07.48 | jbevren | it gives one status 0x58 per block :X |
| 03:10.28 | GPSFan | do any of the chips get hot? |
| 03:10.45 | jbevren | the hottest is the processor |
| 03:10.52 | jbevren | and I can comfortably leave my finger on it |
| 03:10.58 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 03:14.20 | jbevren | I smashed hde2 |
| 03:14.21 | jbevren | grr hehe |
| 03:17.02 | GPSFan | smashed? |
| 03:17.13 | jbevren | overwrote the superblock by accident in ppcboot :) |
| 03:17.46 | GPSFan | yeah, smashed is an appropriate descriptor... |
| 03:18.27 | jbevren | yep! |
| 03:18.33 | jbevren | it booted off ide |
| 03:18.36 | jbevren | no ramdisk/etc |
| 03:18.50 | GPSFan | fantastic.. |
| 03:19.14 | jbevren | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 03:19.17 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.37 | GPSFan | so, that ppcboot, must know about the ide chip. nice.. |
| 03:19.44 | jbevren | yeah |
| 03:19.47 | jbevren | diskboot 400000 0:1 |
| 03:19.53 | jbevren | loads the kernel from partition 1 |
| 03:20.04 | jbevren | its just dd if=uImage of=/dev/hde1 |
| 03:20.26 | jbevren | it knows ide and the pc-dos partition layout, but not filesystems |
| 03:20.43 | jbevren | ok |
| 03:20.47 | jbevren | next trick: saveenv :) |
| 03:20.55 | jbevren | once that's done, it'll boot entirely on its own |
| 03:22.34 | GPSFan | yeah, like I'v got my A3000, boots the kernel off flash then loads usj.gz from flash, that looks for a jffs2 partition or the SATA drive, and pivot-root's to it. |
| 03:22.48 | jbevren | cool |
| 03:24.10 | jbevren | I wonder if saveenv is even implemented |
| 03:24.24 | jbevren | it doesnt pause as though it's erasing and flashing |
| 03:25.43 | GPSFan | what does flinfo say? |
| 03:25.52 | jbevren | Bank # 1: AMD AM29F040 (512 Kbit, uniform sector size) |
| 03:25.52 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.52 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.52 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:25.53 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.03 | jbevren | sorry for the trailing spaces.. minicom is silly |
| 03:26.30 | GPSFan | 's ok.. |
| 03:26.44 | jbevren | from ppcboot startup: |
| 03:26.47 | jbevren | Board: ### No HW ID - assuming WALNUT405 |
| 03:27.05 | jbevren | it doesnt seem to indicate where its loading ppcboot from |
| 03:27.25 | fishhead | you guys scare me |
| 03:27.27 | fishhead | :) |
| 03:27.30 | jbevren | whyso? |
| 03:27.42 | fishhead | just how fast you rifel thru this stuff |
| 03:27.53 | jbevren | the A3000 was a lot slower :) |
| 03:27.54 | fishhead | people think I am a genius the way I just fix appliances etc |
| 03:27.57 | fishhead | but you guys scare me |
| 03:28.08 | jbevren | this board uses the same bootloader |
| 03:29.09 | GPSFan | how about printenv? |
| 03:29.19 | jbevren | fishhead: it also helps that I looked much of this up before buying the board |
| 03:29.29 | fishhead | I do too |
| 03:29.37 | fishhead | people laugh cause I will spend 3 hrs googling tp etc |
| 03:32.31 | jbevren | hopefully I can blip the green led heh |
| 03:33.15 | jbevren | it's not in proc :( :) |
| 03:36.22 | jbevren | neat |
| 03:36.31 | jbevren | you can change the 405's voltages while its running |
| 03:40.01 | GPSFan | does your kernel startup have anything like this? "IBM gpio driver version 02.01.21.d |
| 03:40.01 | GPSFan | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.01 | GPSFan | PPC 405 watchdog driver v0.5" |
| 03:40.14 | jbevren | IBM gpio driver version 07.25.02 |
| 03:40.14 | jbevren | GPIO #0 at 0xc5000700 |
| 03:40.16 | jbevren | yeps |
| 03:40.27 | jbevren | I saw it in menuconfig so I htought it would be a good idea to turn it on |
| 03:41.47 | GPSFan | there is some stuff in arch/ppc/platforms/ibm405.gp.c/h |
| 03:44.16 | jbevren | heh. all this to blink a silly LED |
| 03:44.41 | GPSFan | ya gotta have blinkin lights... |
| 03:44.57 | GPSFan | there is a watchdog timer too.. |
| 03:45.06 | jbevren | yep |
| 03:45.09 | jbevren | turned that on also |
| 03:45.14 | jbevren | so we know the driver exists :) |
| 03:45.25 | jbevren | it doesnt register in /proc/devices though |
| 03:45.32 | GPSFan | busybox has a watchdog timer tickler applet |
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| 03:48.04 | GPSFan | http://www.webservertalk.com/showthread.php?s=42545dfc5fe2ba7fd9688f2e72cc123f&threadid=228556&goto=nextnewest |
| 03:48.14 | GPSFan | check out the last post. |
| 03:48.48 | Genesis | bonjour |
| 03:58.37 | jbevren | nod |
| 03:58.42 | jbevren | the char device sinks data |
| 03:58.50 | jbevren | doesnt do anything visible, but I'm limited at what I can toss its way |
| 03:59.49 | GPSFan | can't find the source for that driver in my source tree, must be a patch specific to 405ep's, maybe it's in the DENX stuf |
| 03:59.58 | jbevren | probably |
| 04:05.35 | GPSFan | jbevren: cul, good luck |
| 04:05.48 | jbevren | nod |
| 04:05.53 | jbevren | I'mgoing to rest for the night methinks |
| 04:06.14 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 04:27.47 | fishhead | HOLY MOTHER OF CANUCK!, IMATION BOUGHT MEMOREX! |
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| 14:04.41 | jbevren | http://tinyurl.com/7trft |
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| 14:30.06 | jbevren | GPSFan: theory |
| 14:30.12 | jbevren | the board has pads for a cmos clock |
| 14:30.20 | jbevren | I suspect ppcboot ist rying to save the env to it |
| 14:31.33 | GPSFan | jbevren: could be, any clue as to what that rtc chip is? |
| 14:31.57 | jbevren | 6 SSOP |
| 14:31.59 | jbevren | er |
| 14:32.00 | jbevren | 6pin SSOP |
| 14:32.18 | jbevren | (2700*8)/8 |
| 14:32.19 | jbevren | 9984 |
| 14:32.22 | jbevren | the hell? |
| 14:32.35 | jbevren | pj |
| 14:32.37 | jbevren | bah |
| 14:32.38 | jbevren | obase is 16 |
| 14:32.40 | jbevren | wtf :) |
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| 14:47.16 | fishhead | hey peerpeepeelague |
| 14:47.45 | fishhead | anyway to get the juicebox to boot using nor flash attached to the port ? |
| 14:48.08 | prpplague | no |
| 14:48.20 | fishhead | what if we unsolder the rom and attach a nor there |
| 14:48.20 | prpplague | fishhead: has to read from the nand first |
| 14:48.28 | fishhead | oh yeah cause of the bootloader |
| 14:48.28 | prpplague | fishhead: that would work |
| 14:48.46 | fishhead | I am trying to come up with a $5 solution for just turning a jb into a graphical serial term |
| 14:48.55 | fishhead | don't even need linux |
| 14:49.01 | fishhead | just a old 128kb rom from a pc or something |
| 14:49.31 | fishhead | I guess there really isn't any simple solution though :( |
| 14:49.46 | fishhead | I mean your hack is nice but it looks like it requires a lot of $$$$ in flash chips |
| 14:50.03 | fishhead | and obviously that is the only solution when you want to boot a custom os on it |
| 14:50.32 | prpplague | fishhead: yea you could use a small nor flash |
| 14:51.30 | fishhead | cause if you think about it even the shitty 2 meg ones for $10 if you added another $10 in a max232 and a nor flash with a arm serial term on it, you would defintely get your $$$ worth as a serial grahical term |
| 14:51.38 | fishhead | I mean like a matrox orbital emulator |
| 14:51.42 | fishhead | not like minicom etc |
| 14:52.29 | fishhead | it's what? 240x160 pixels and from the test mode I am thinking what? 20x10 or something in characters? |
| 14:53.16 | prpplague | yea something like that |
| 14:53.19 | fishhead | wonder how painful it would be to just jtag the terminal into ram on power up every time |
| 14:53.28 | prpplague | painful |
| 14:53.40 | fishhead | yeah but 5 wires, no other soldering :P |
| 14:53.44 | fishhead | well 2 more for the serial |
| 14:54.00 | prpplague | soldering is easier than trying to do that |
| 14:54.13 | fishhead | not when you have micro motor control problems :/ |
| 14:54.14 | prpplague | my suggestion would be to make a small board to put inside |
| 14:54.21 | prpplague | that would contain the flash and rs-232 |
| 14:54.21 | fishhead | hmm |
| 14:54.35 | fishhead | yeah I was thinking about that too, a $5 hack kit :P |
| 14:55.04 | fishhead | wonder if they make a tsop outline that solders where a tsop would go but has a bunch of wires out |
| 14:55.30 | fishhead | I got a canuckload of plcc and dip flash chips |
| 14:55.46 | fishhead | probably more soon as I test these 32 pc's and some of the boards fail |
| 14:56.32 | prpplague | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=ACC10887 |
| 14:56.38 | prpplague | you can use one of those for a keyboard |
| 14:57.01 | prpplague | or you can get one of these and use a standard ps2 keyboard http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=ACC10692 |
| 14:57.10 | jbevren | lol nice |
| 14:57.16 | fishhead | I never thought about that |
| 14:57.22 | fishhead | those palm keyboards are serial aren't they |
| 14:57.27 | fishhead | well I guess all keyboards are serial |
| 14:57.32 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:57.53 | fishhead | sdio is locked right? |
| 14:58.01 | fishhead | we can't use it even for bit banging |
| 14:58.06 | fishhead | cause you need IP and shit right? |
| 14:58.10 | prpplague | i have some of these i use -http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=967208-0403-CS&cat=PDA |
| 14:58.16 | fishhead | even if we aren't using flash |
| 14:58.21 | prpplague | fishhead: what are you babling about? |
| 14:58.23 | fishhead | we just wanted to attach a keyboard to SDIO |
| 14:58.33 | fishhead | that interface is drown in IP patents right ? |
| 14:58.52 | fishhead | sorry my head is still a bit fuzzy I just spent the last half week in emotional hell |
| 14:58.54 | prpplague | fishhead: where did SDIO come in? |
| 14:58.59 | jbevren | the gp2x uses sdio mode I think |
| 14:59.01 | fishhead | I tried to get off a med and crashed |
| 14:59.02 | prpplague | fishhead: the jb doesn't have sdio |
| 14:59.03 | jbevren | but anyway |
| 14:59.11 | fishhead | I was thinking of sdio as a serial serial communication for the juicebox |
| 14:59.14 | fishhead | oh |
| 14:59.21 | fishhead | I thought the cart port had it |
| 14:59.26 | jbevren | the jb doesnt have the connections needed for it (?) |
| 14:59.33 | prpplague | fishhead: the card port has SPI, not SDIO |
| 14:59.34 | fishhead | second serial I mean |
| 14:59.37 | jbevren | i.e. the jb can physically only do spi |
| 14:59.38 | fishhead | ah |
| 14:59.50 | fishhead | could we use the spi as a 2nd serial interface |
| 14:59.57 | fishhead | if it wasn't being used for flash or jb rom |
| 15:00.08 | jbevren | oh |
| 15:00.09 | fishhead | like for a keyboard? |
| 15:00.21 | prpplague | jbevren: yea both rs-232 ports are there, just that some of the lines for the 2nd serial port are used for other funtions on the card edge |
| 15:00.24 | fishhead | sorry guys I know my head isn't 100% right |
| 15:00.29 | fishhead | and I can't always explain what I mean |
| 15:00.36 | jbevren | me either |
| 15:00.43 | jbevren | I'm only remembering what prpp's said about it before hehe |
| 15:00.56 | fishhead | i tore apart this pda I got gipped on |
| 15:01.07 | fishhead | any way one of you could please took at the rom and at least tell me what cpu it uses |
| 15:01.12 | fishhead | it has like 6 globs |
| 15:01.19 | fishhead | only thing I see recongize is a nor flash |
| 15:01.25 | fishhead | good old 29xxx series |
| 15:01.40 | fishhead | I just don't know how to use a decompiler etc |
| 15:02.01 | fishhead | not even a decompiler really I just want it to tell me "yeah 68k code" |
| 15:02.39 | fishhead | I should rip open that dead palm pilot today and let you guys help me try to get the dragonbal cpu to serial bootstrap since I was so close before I moved :P |
| 15:02.51 | fishhead | that's like doable now |
| 15:03.09 | fishhead | or get my webpal up and running, I just need to flash it :P |
| 15:03.34 | fishhead | so many projects, so many ideas and no balls to actually do any of them |
| 15:03.42 | fishhead | :/ |
| 15:03.43 | jbevren | heh |
| 15:03.47 | jbevren | build a twiddler and flash your webpal |
| 15:03.56 | fishhead | twiddler don't even need that |
| 15:04.04 | fishhead | they cracked the webpal web update code |
| 15:04.13 | fishhead | I just have to setup a dialin long enough to point at a web page |
| 15:04.30 | jbevren | grumble.. where's 1394 support in 2.4.25 |
| 15:08.07 | fishhead | oh I can't do either yet |
| 15:08.12 | fishhead | need a linux box first |
| 15:08.13 | fishhead | damn |
| 15:08.32 | fishhead | guess I should finish cleaning circuit boards and clean these cases |
| 15:08.39 | fishhead | so I can start testing pc's so I have something to work off of |
| 15:08.48 | fishhead | anyone here need any simm memory |
| 15:09.09 | fishhead | going to wash a bunch today and setup 2 dedicated boxes for memtest86ing for a week/set or somerthing |
| 15:10.46 | fishhead | WOW |
| 15:10.51 | fishhead | the jb lcd interface |
| 15:10.57 | fishhead | it doesn't look that complicated |
| 15:11.06 | fishhead | almost looks like you could drive one off a parallel port |
| 15:11.10 | fishhead | am I reading this wrong? |
| 15:14.42 | fishhead | jbevren, prpplague |
| 15:14.56 | fishhead | what's the raw data rate the serial port on the juicebox could handle without rs232 conversion |
| 15:17.11 | prpplague | iirc the s3c44b0x 230.4k baud max |
| 15:18.50 | fishhead | ok so not that much faster than rs232 basicallyu |
| 15:19.00 | fishhead | what sets that rate |
| 15:19.08 | fishhead | OH |
| 15:19.11 | fishhead | LIGHT BULB |
| 15:20.00 | fishhead | it's the uart that sets the speed not the rs232 |
| 15:20.08 | fishhead | finally clicked |
| 15:23.58 | fishhead | FINALLY |
| 15:24.08 | fishhead | I GET THE WHOLE UART AND etc thing of serial |
| 15:24.12 | fishhead | geez took long enough |
| 15:44.31 | fishhead | bbl 2k is fouling up |
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| 16:02.06 | prpplague | GPSFan: you got an elinux page going yet for the board? |
| 16:04.02 | GPSFan | prpplague: not yet, mine are still in the mail, but jbevren got his booting off the hdd using my user.gz from the A3000 |
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| 16:30.34 | jbevren | still cant find firewire in 2.4.25 :( |
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| 16:46.00 | GPSFan | jbevren: I hav 1394 working on my desktop box under 2.4.21. I'll poke about and see what I can find. |
| 16:46.39 | jbevren | I just cant find it in the list, so I'm probably missing a dependant option |
| 16:46.41 | jbevren | I hate 2.4 :P |
| 16:52.55 | GPSFan | jbevren: in 2.4.31 & 2.4.27 it is at the top level "IEEE 1394 (FireWire) support (EXPERIMENTAL)" In my 2.4.19 tree, the drivers are there, but the menu selection isn't there unless you have PCI enabled (the tree is for a SA1100). |
| 16:54.25 | jbevren | sec |
| 16:54.40 | jbevren | ah |
| 16:54.46 | jbevren | It had experimentla off |
| 16:54.51 | jbevren | why was -everything- off? grr |
| 16:54.55 | jbevren | thans ken :) |
| 16:55.18 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 16:57.14 | fishhead | actuially |
| 16:57.30 | jbevren | fishhead: better catalog these |
| 16:57.42 | fishhead | prpplague, if you could swap out the rom on the juicebox, what's to keep you from emulating a nor rom using a pc's parallel port |
| 16:57.42 | jbevren | you can patent them and become a successful IP litigation CEO |
| 16:57.49 | fishhead | no I am not that gay |
| 16:57.52 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:59.57 | jbevren | you mean to mount a tsop IC? |
| 17:00.29 | fishhead | no more like so I could take the tsop pads on a jb and attach the wires to an external rom |
| 17:02.51 | fishhead | man I hate smt |
| 17:03.00 | fishhead | I know it's best for mass production etc |
| 17:03.03 | fishhead | but it sucks for at home |
| 17:07.36 | fishhead | can you even unsolder/solder a tsop-48 with a normal iron? |
| 17:08.03 | fishhead | and btw if I buy an iron and it has a 3rd prog that means the tip is grounded right? |
| 17:08.11 | fishhead | and if the tip is grounded that should make it esd safe right ? |
| 17:08.44 | fishhead | nm about the tsop stufff my idea just got shot down |
| 17:09.43 | fishhead | forgot tne newer jb's are glob roms |
| 17:19.50 | jbevren | weee hehe |
| 17:19.52 | jbevren | eth1394 works |
| 17:20.12 | jbevren | faster than lan too |
| 17:20.21 | jbevren | lan is ~30ms |
| 17:20.27 | jbevren | eth1394 is .8ms |
| 17:21.07 | jbevren | pingity ping |
| 17:21.09 | jbevren | hmm |
| 17:21.13 | jbevren | what else to do heh |
| 17:21.59 | jbevren | I need a bunch of those self-adhesive feet |
| 17:27.08 | jbevren | woot. |
| 17:27.23 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:28.02 | GPSFan | jbevren: any pictures of your setup? |
| 17:29.17 | jbevren | the powers that be saw it fit to ensure I dont have my camera :( |
| 17:32.21 | jbevren | atm I have the ppc boards cluttered around my business desk |
| 17:32.25 | jbevren | I'm supposed to be working heh |
| 17:33.06 | jbevren | the firewire cable across my lap |
| 17:33.20 | jbevren | ethernet to one of the boards |
| 17:33.40 | jbevren | of course, you dont have telnetd, so there's nothing I can do besides ping :) |
| 17:35.16 | jbevren | um |
| 17:35.21 | jbevren | these 1394 cards dont block power |
| 17:35.47 | jbevren | I attempted to power cycle one, and it stays up |
| 17:36.08 | jbevren | I thought it was supposed to be safe to plug one host card into another :P |
| 17:37.18 | jbevren | oh |
| 17:37.18 | jbevren | I'm dumb |
| 17:37.30 | jbevren | but it still draws power from the other ppc |
| 17:39.03 | GPSFan | oops, sorry, I didn't enable telnetd in the busybox, but the telnet should work. |
| 17:45.48 | jbevren | ok wtf |
| 17:45.54 | jbevren | sbc1 has 192.168.1.4 and 10.1.1.3 |
| 17:45.59 | jbevren | I cant ping 10.1.1.3 from 192.168.1.3 |
| 17:46.05 | jbevren | ip_forward = 1 |
| 17:46.07 | jbevren | yet: |
| 17:46.12 | jbevren | I can ping 10.1.1.2, wich is sbc2 |
| 17:46.27 | jbevren | sbc2 cant ping 192.168.1.3 |
| 17:46.33 | jbevren | but 192.168.1.3 can ping sbc2 |
| 17:48.49 | jbevren | 11:48:44.670690 IP 10.1.1.2 > 192.168.1.13: icmp 84: echo request seq 7 |
| 17:48.50 | jbevren | 11:48:44.670708 IP 192.168.1.13 > 10.1.1.2: icmp 84: echo reply seq 7 |
| 17:48.53 | jbevren | replies arent getting forwarded |
| 17:48.54 | jbevren | wtf |
| 17:49.10 | jbevren | why can I ping one wya but not the other? |
| 17:52.49 | GPSFan | what does route say? |
| 17:52.59 | jbevren | and suddenly it works out of nowhere |
| 17:54.01 | jbevren | correction |
| 17:54.07 | jbevren | I can telnet but not poing |
| 17:54.08 | jbevren | ping |
| 17:54.11 | jbevren | wtf ever |
| 17:54.31 | jbevren | oh |
| 17:54.46 | GPSFan | never played with eth1394, not a clue how or why it works. |
| 17:54.54 | jbevren | and if you boot with the firewire cards linked, it comes up not registered for the broadcast channel and cant send ping |
| 17:56.43 | jbevren | and beware of flaky power jacks |
| 18:04.43 | jbevren | one of these seems to be flaky, but i havent checked the psu's cable against another |
| 19:12.49 | fishhead | jbe |
| 19:12.54 | fishhead | don't don't you make a fw breakout box |
| 19:13.00 | fishhead | and tap the power pins with a switch or something |
| 19:18.19 | jbevren | I was led to believe that a host port has protection from power being backfed into it |
| 20:02.22 | jbevren | doh |
| 20:02.30 | jbevren | 256M infineon pc133 $20 |
| 20:02.32 | jbevren | sold out :( |
| 20:11.14 | Genesis | bonsoir |
| 21:59.52 | GPSFan | jbevren: you about? |
| 22:00.18 | jbevren | kinda |
| 22:00.21 | jbevren | just got back from lunch |
| 22:00.35 | GPSFan | got my boards! |
| 22:00.39 | jbevren | woot! |
| 22:00.43 | jbevren | use a db9 extension |
| 22:00.48 | jbevren | teh serial port is DCE |
| 22:00.54 | GPSFan | I can write to the onboard flash using ppcboot commands |
| 22:01.12 | jbevren | cool |
| 22:01.18 | jbevren | is that where it reads the env from? |
| 22:01.41 | jbevren | lol getpot |
| 22:01.44 | GPSFan | I can't find the environment in the flash, maybe it's hard coded to boot form disk |
| 22:01.46 | jbevren | someone mistyped getpost heh |
| 22:01.55 | jbevren | it tries to load the env |
| 22:01.58 | jbevren | look at the init messages |
| 22:02.06 | jbevren | it gets a bad magic number and loads the default env |
| 22:02.37 | GPSFan | oooh, maybe it needs the environment to be written to the flash by hand first. |
| 22:02.45 | jbevren | maybe? |
| 22:02.47 | jbevren | dunno |
| 22:02.51 | jbevren | when you type saveenv it goes pretty quick |
| 22:02.56 | jbevren | like its not even flashing |
| 22:03.06 | jbevren | the real trick is, where does ppcboot expect it to be? |
| 22:03.33 | GPSFan | since the ppcboot was updated from 1.0.0 to 1.1.2, maybe something got hozed but it still booted ok from their point of view. |
| 22:04.26 | GPSFan | or maybe the default environment was good enough. It looks like there may be a jtag header, J5. |
| 22:05.11 | GPSFan | if so we can safely re-do the ppcboot to use a real environment. |
| 22:06.00 | jbevren | nod |
| 22:06.05 | jbevren | I havent tried jtagging it yet |
| 22:06.11 | GPSFan | the A3000's environment is at fffe0000 |
| 22:06.20 | jbevren | I need to get/bulid a breakout cable for my adapter |
| 22:17.17 | jbevren | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/Main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=CPM10332 |
| 22:17.19 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.23 | jbevren | that's a -lot- of storage |
| 22:17.28 | GPSFan | jbevren: bg didn't send me any info on the boards at all, but then again we probably know more about them then they do now. ;>) |
| 22:17.38 | jbevren | at this point, yeah |
| 22:17.43 | jbevren | I should send them a mail back about disk booting |
| 22:35.40 | GPSFan | guess I'll be finding out about jtag, writing to ffff0000--- makes ppcboot not run anymore ;>( |
| 22:39.08 | jbevren | doh :( |
| 22:39.30 | jbevren | time to jtag-load a new ppcboot eh? :( |
| 22:40.29 | GPSFan | maybe just zero out what I wrote, that was what was there before. |
| 22:41.06 | GPSFan | looks like I can ring out the pads and see if j5 really is a jtag. |
| 22:48.01 | jbevren | well is it jtag? hehe |
| 22:55.23 | GPSFan | no, j5 ins't, but j10 is. trst is grounded, but all the other pins come out. I'm looking to see if trst goes to some kind of jumper. |
| 22:56.52 | jbevren | hm |
| 22:56.56 | jbevren | how does one 'ring out' the jtag pins |
| 22:57.40 | GPSFan | the balls on the chip all go to pads, I looked up the ball #'s and rang out between them and j5 then j10. |
| 22:58.05 | jbevren | ah |
| 22:58.14 | jbevren | which is relatively easy, cause the ball pads go through the pcb |
| 22:58.17 | jbevren | I see |
| 23:01.35 | GPSFan | in this case yes, some boards don't. |
| 23:03.32 | jbevren | nod |
| 23:04.44 | jbevren | trst is grounded at the pad on the cpu? |
| 23:05.33 | jbevren | heh duh. |
| 23:05.40 | jbevren | I guess you cant tell if its grounded here or there |
| 23:05.41 | jbevren | :P |
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| 23:14.50 | GPSFan | trst might not be grounded, it's not clear which via that particular ball goes, but the alternate goes to J10 and isn't grounded. |
| 23:22.43 | GPSFan | jbevren: found this which is a good match for J10 on the ppc board, so trst is brought out. http://www.etoolsmiths.com/target-jtag-connector-pin-out.html |
| 23:25.25 | jbevren | the 4xx jtag column I guess? |
| 23:41.45 | GPSFan | yep, matches j10 |
| 23:42.25 | jbevren | I hate hyperterm |
| 23:42.32 | jbevren | it couldnt emulate vt100 if its life depended on it |
| 23:42.40 | jbevren | I -really- need to get a ser2net sparc binary :) |
| 23:42.55 | jbevren | that way I can use my slxt box as a serial console |
| 23:53.21 | jbevren | :D |
| 23:53.25 | sunrunner20|slee | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16824116347 |
| 23:53.26 | sunrunner20|slee | mmmm |