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| 02:58.47 | GPSFan | jbevren: you about? |
| 04:20.06 | jbevren | sup? |
| 04:29.02 | jbevren | so remember I said I put the kernel image in hda2? |
| 04:29.08 | jbevren | er hde2 |
| 04:29.14 | jbevren | as it turns out, debian lied to me |
| 04:29.19 | jbevren | hde2 is the extended partition |
| 04:29.21 | jbevren | grr |
| 04:29.36 | GPSFan | k, |
| 04:30.26 | jbevren | oh, I also noticed an interesting string during startup |
| 04:30.31 | GPSFan | been looking at the source to ppcboot 1.1.2, If we can compile that we can test it via jtag, then be able to store env in the flash. |
| 04:30.34 | jbevren | I'll post it when I reboot the thing (in a sec) |
| 04:31.51 | jbevren | anyway, its about a MBR signature |
| 04:32.24 | GPSFan | ever see the "media led" come on, my board #2 is flakey sometimes and when it comes on it won't boot. |
| 04:32.26 | jbevren | grr now its not showing it |
| 04:32.32 | jbevren | I havent |
| 04:32.39 | jbevren | thats why I was trying to twiddle gpio |
| 04:33.49 | jbevren | the mbr signature must have been me smashing the extended partition |
| 04:33.54 | jbevren | its not there anymore :P |
| 04:34.15 | jbevren | root |
| 04:34.16 | jbevren | er.. |
| 04:34.22 | GPSFan | need to play around some more tomorrow, the env stuff is default in the nvram (which doesn't exist) in 1.1.2, I wonder if someone "hosed" a bunch of boards by updating 1.0.0 to 1.1.2 without a lot of testing. |
| 04:35.11 | GPSFan | gotta run, cu tomorrow... |
| 04:35.17 | jbevren | ok |
| 04:37.43 | joe_bleau | jbreven: y'all aren't discussing the BG Micro boards, are you? |
| 04:37.48 | jbevren | yeah |
| 04:38.00 | jbevren | got debian on mine (flexes) |
| 04:38.06 | joe_bleau | No way. Buddy sent me a link yesterday. I didn't know word was out yet. |
| 04:38.15 | jbevren | hehe |
| 04:38.18 | jbevren | I got mine monday |
| 04:38.19 | joe_bleau | (I ordered two, but BG hasn't finished the paypal yet) |
| 04:38.24 | joe_bleau | First impressions? |
| 04:38.29 | jbevren | had my own kernel booting on it that evening |
| 04:38.33 | jbevren | its pokey, but runs well |
| 04:38.36 | joe_bleau | What is it? |
| 04:38.41 | jbevren | its a powerpc405GP |
| 04:38.43 | jbevren | 266mhz |
| 04:38.43 | joe_bleau | All I know is 405GP + firewire |
| 04:38.50 | jbevren | 32M ram, firewire pci card |
| 04:39.04 | joe_bleau | They mention RFE...do we know what it came out of? |
| 04:39.05 | jbevren | the only real issue currently is that ppcboot cant/doesnt save its env |
| 04:39.11 | jbevren | no idea |
| 04:39.16 | jbevren | given configuration, some sort of media server |
| 04:39.20 | joe_bleau | Any flash or nvstorage? |
| 04:39.24 | jbevren | fileservice or something |
| 04:39.26 | jbevren | Nope |
| 04:39.32 | jbevren | just 512k flash chip for ppcboot |
| 04:39.38 | joe_bleau | Hmm. |
| 04:39.40 | jbevren | it has ide, so a disk on module will work |
| 04:39.47 | jbevren | and it does work with udma |
| 04:39.53 | jbevren | promice pdc20265 |
| 04:39.59 | jbevren | =promise |
| 04:40.23 | joe_bleau | Nice...I'll pass that along. My buddy is an old hand with the AMCC PPC chips (he designs RAID systems) |
| 04:40.32 | jbevren | ahh |
| 04:41.08 | joe_bleau | 10/100, or just 10MBit? |
| 04:41.17 | jbevren | 10/100 on-cpu MAC |
| 04:41.19 | jbevren | external phy |
| 04:41.25 | joe_bleau | Good. |
| 04:41.36 | joe_bleau | ram in a slot, or onboard? |
| 04:41.50 | jbevren | without a drive, itpeaks at ~400ma at 12v |
| 04:41.54 | jbevren | pc133 memory |
| 04:41.58 | jbevren | one slot, 256M max |
| 04:42.05 | jbevren | 256M according to amcc's docs |
| 04:42.12 | joe_bleau | Plenty |
| 04:42.14 | jbevren | they say 256M per bank, and there's only one bank (slot) |
| 04:42.24 | jbevren | I used a 64M in mine |
| 04:42.31 | jbevren | it does -not- like pc100 :) |
| 04:42.39 | jbevren | However, there is a jumper to set the ram to pc66 |
| 04:42.47 | jbevren | that'll probably make it work with pc100 hehe |
| 04:43.22 | joe_bleau | JTAG? |
| 04:43.30 | jbevren | nod |
| 04:43.41 | jbevren | that's what gpsfan used to recover an error on his own behalf |
| 04:43.41 | joe_bleau | *2* PCI slots? |
| 04:43.44 | jbevren | 2yeah |
| 04:44.02 | jbevren | at least one of my boards is going to get a matrox mga and usb card |
| 04:44.08 | jbevren | . o O ( Xterminal ) |
| 04:44.23 | joe_bleau | I had one of those. It was labeled IBM |
| 04:44.27 | jbevren | hehe |
| 04:44.29 | jbevren | I have one |
| 04:44.33 | joe_bleau | But I think it was a 603e |
| 04:44.34 | jbevren | its labeled'Sun' |
| 04:44.43 | jbevren | but this was actually a solaris (sunos) box |
| 04:44.48 | jbevren | sparcstation voyager ;) |
| 04:44.50 | jbevren | using it atm |
| 04:45.04 | jbevren | I have it tricked into doing 8bit truecolor (rgb 332) |
| 04:45.49 | jbevren | at the moment, the board is on a maxtor 80gig disk |
| 04:45.59 | joe_bleau | I'm going backwards through the log, and now I'm looking at http://supernova.stanford.edu/dingdong/ |
| 04:46.07 | jbevren | nod |
| 04:46.09 | jbevren | thats the board |
| 04:46.17 | jbevren | the pdf file, bgmicro printed it and sent it to me |
| 04:46.20 | jbevren | but didnt send it to gpsfan |
| 04:46.25 | joe_bleau | I see what appears to be a header at the bottom right...jtag? |
| 04:46.34 | jbevren | j10, near the led's |
| 04:46.37 | joe_bleau | OK, grabbed the PDF |
| 04:46.54 | jbevren | the pdf is just basic booting of denx's sample kernel |
| 04:47.05 | jbevren | I'm using denx's 2.4.25 dev sources to build kernels for it |
| 04:47.15 | jbevren | vanilla linux 2.6 wont build on my crosskit (old compiler) |
| 04:47.25 | jbevren | and vanilla 2.4 has dependancy issues when buliding for the walnut |
| 04:48.27 | joe_bleau | We were speculating on the firewire interface. My best guess would have been a machine vision interface, but that's a stretch. |
| 04:48.45 | joe_bleau | The PDF points toward home audio distribution? |
| 04:49.20 | joe_bleau | Sounds like the async port is RS-232 level, so I don't need to hack in a level converter |
| 04:49.30 | jbevren | right |
| 04:49.32 | jbevren | in fact, its DCE |
| 04:49.38 | jbevren | so you dont need a nullmodem to put it on a pc |
| 04:49.52 | jbevren | (I'm using two nullmodems inline to double-flip the lines) |
| 04:50.28 | joe_bleau | Sounds like it's ready to run out of the box |
| 04:50.33 | jbevren | it is |
| 04:50.39 | jbevren | like I said, I had linux on it within an hour |
| 04:50.44 | jbevren | and the same day, my custom kernel |
| 04:51.23 | joe_bleau | I was so excited to see a decent ppc board (with PCI slots) for <$20 I had two ordered before I even could dream up a project |
| 04:51.40 | jbevren | lol |
| 04:51.43 | jbevren | kinda same for me |
| 04:51.49 | jbevren | "dang thats cheap!" |
| 04:51.54 | jbevren | "wtf I have four on the way?" |
| 04:51.57 | jbevren | lol |
| 04:52.08 | jbevren | I ordered so quick I didnt check for other things I need |
| 04:52.10 | jbevren | lol |
| 04:52.15 | joe_bleau | Looks like the guy at Stanford got his from another surplus house. |
| 04:52.21 | jbevren | nod |
| 04:52.23 | joe_bleau | Wonder if they're cheaper |
| 04:52.47 | jbevren | oh |
| 04:52.49 | jbevren | look at that |
| 04:52.55 | jbevren | Ken was talking about ppcboot versions |
| 04:53.04 | jbevren | 1.1.2 is on mine, the rom is hard-stamped with 1.00 |
| 04:53.19 | jbevren | I couldnt find the store iirc |
| 04:53.21 | jbevren | didnt look hard |
| 04:53.34 | jbevren | CPU: IBM PowerPC 405GP Rev. E at 264 MHz (PLB=66, OPB=33, EBC=33 MHz) |
| 04:53.35 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.39 | joe_bleau | No online catalog at Tanner |
| 04:53.41 | jbevren | that's the cpu |
| 04:53.45 | jbevren | nod |
| 04:54.04 | joe_bleau | The pdf claims the label is 1.00, but the image is 1.1.2 |
| 04:54.24 | jbevren | nod |
| 04:54.26 | jbevren | I see |
| 04:54.28 | joe_bleau | Avent has FUBAR'd my programmed flash labels before, so I can understand that one |
| 04:54.36 | jbevren | anyway, the current ppcboot indicates its saving the env, but doenst |
| 04:54.37 | joe_bleau | s/Avent/Avnet |
| 04:54.54 | jbevren | I'm guessing educatedly that its attempting to save to nvram on the rtc (for which there are pads on the board, but no hardware) |
| 04:55.40 | joe_bleau | One of those RTC+4k sram chips, like the UNIX vendors love to use? |
| 04:55.47 | jbevren | dunno |
| 04:55.49 | jbevren | U2 has 6 pins |
| 04:55.51 | jbevren | SSOP style |
| 04:56.08 | jbevren | near it are two power routing diodes (for battery and dc input) |
| 04:56.08 | joe_bleau | I would have used EEPROM |
| 04:56.16 | jbevren | and a crystal and cap |
| 04:56.23 | jbevren | looks like two lines from the ppc go there |
| 04:56.28 | jbevren | its probably i2c or so |
| 04:56.28 | joe_bleau | I2C? |
| 04:56.57 | joe_bleau | I usually go with the DS1307, but it's only got like ~30 bytes free |
| 04:57.32 | jbevren | if you think about it, it only has two pins after power and crystal heh |
| 04:59.06 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I'm looking at Maxim now...not seeing anything in 6 pins |
| 04:59.47 | jbevren | looks like um |
| 04:59.51 | jbevren | 1 is a power line |
| 04:59.56 | jbevren | 2,3 xtal |
| 05:00.07 | jbevren | 4 power |
| 05:00.11 | jbevren | 5,6 i2c |
| 05:00.25 | jbevren | u-shaped numbering pattern |
| 05:00.42 | jbevren | 1 6 |
| 05:00.43 | jbevren | 2 5 |
| 05:00.44 | jbevren | 3 4 |
| 05:01.28 | joe_bleau | DS1375 is 6 pins, but pinout doesn't appear to match |
| 05:02.05 | joe_bleau | Checking max6900 |
| 05:02.31 | jbevren | 1 is vcc |
| 05:02.36 | jbevren | it leads to the two diode pads |
| 05:02.51 | joe_bleau | Yeah, MAX6900 fits. I don't know what a TDFN package looks like, though |
| 05:03.10 | joe_bleau | http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/3023 |
| 05:03.12 | jbevren | me either |
| 05:03.15 | jbevren | I'm guessing at ssop |
| 05:03.19 | jbevren | its really small hehe |
| 05:03.23 | jbevren | smaller than tsop (I know that package) |
| 05:03.34 | joe_bleau | Used to be SOT-23, which I associate with jelly bean transistors |
| 05:03.52 | joe_bleau | That could be it then. 31 bytes of ram! |
| 05:04.05 | joe_bleau | 3mm x 3mm x 0.8mm |
| 05:04.32 | jbevren | oh |
| 05:04.35 | jbevren | dont try to run asterisk on em :) |
| 05:04.41 | jbevren | mine failed at it miserably :) |
| 05:05.01 | jbevren | might work with an optimized build, but the debian package didnt work out |
| 05:05.34 | joe_bleau | Odd that they tried to use diodes. I've attempted that in the past, but the leakage is a killer with small li coin cells. |
| 05:05.57 | jbevren | ah |
| 05:05.59 | jbevren | sc70 package |
| 05:06.02 | jbevren | http://www.semiconfareast.com/packages2.htm#sot23 |
| 05:07.44 | joe_bleau | I can do sot-23, but the ones I use only have 3 pads. 6 would be tricky. |
| 05:08.54 | jbevren | doesnt look that bad |
| 05:09.00 | jbevren | the pads are already sweat'ed |
| 05:09.14 | jbevren | I'd just hit the pins with a dry iron and sink em into the pads |
| 05:10.34 | joe_bleau | My layout guy doesn't give me much copper on our sot-23 lands, so I have a hard time with dry joints on them. I'd rather do TQFP or TSOP than place those sot-23 devices. |
| 05:12.50 | joe_bleau | Buddy has my risc watch box. Maybe I should collect it now that I have some ppc goodness on the way. |
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| 05:15.59 | jbevren | 'risc watch'? |
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| 05:22.02 | fishhead | http://www.bgmicro.com/prodinfo.asp?sid=09303819444444446716588141&prodid=ICS1012&page=1&cri=flash&stype=3 |
| 05:23.01 | jbevren | heh |
| 05:23.03 | jbevren | 512kx8 |
| 05:23.09 | fishhead | dude |
| 05:23.13 | fishhead | 512kb I could work with |
| 05:23.13 | jbevren | I have a small handful of 4Mbyte flash's |
| 05:23.18 | jbevren | there's 512k on the baord |
| 05:23.21 | fishhead | like if I just wanted to turn jb's into a serial lcd |
| 05:23.22 | jbevren | it holds ppcboot |
| 05:23.22 | fishhead | nothing more |
| 05:23.30 | jbevren | ahh |
| 05:23.34 | jbevren | for other projects I see |
| 05:24.02 | fishhead | I doubt I could solder tsop though |
| 05:24.19 | fishhead | http://www.bgmicro.com/prodinfo.asp?sid=09303819444444446716588141&prodid=ICS1007&page=1&cri=flash&stype=3 |
| 05:24.20 | fishhead | wow |
| 05:24.26 | fishhead | man these guy sare fair as hell |
| 05:24.54 | jbevren | $5? |
| 05:24.55 | jbevren | heh |
| 05:24.58 | jbevren | the sops are $1 |
| 05:24.59 | jbevren | lol |
| 05:25.16 | fishhead | wtf? |
| 05:25.17 | fishhead | wow |
| 05:25.22 | fishhead | where? |
| 05:25.25 | jbevren | $10 for a pack of 10 |
| 05:25.28 | jbevren | your first link |
| 05:25.58 | jbevren | or did you miss the 'pack of 10' part :) |
| 05:26.18 | fishhead | I saw that |
| 05:26.26 | fishhead | but this one is a dip |
| 05:26.31 | fishhead | moron like me can use it even |
| 05:26.54 | jbevren | hehe |
| 05:28.15 | fishhead | http://www.bgmicro.com/prodinfo.asp?sid=09358217592592596716588141&prodid=COM1191&page=1&cri=&stype=1 |
| 05:28.19 | fishhead | I am very tempted |
| 05:28.45 | jbevren | fishhead: I'm running debian linux on mine |
| 05:28.46 | jbevren | :P |
| 05:29.35 | fishhead | on what |
| 05:29.35 | jbevren | http://www.bgmicro.com/prodinfo.asp?prodid=com1191 |
| 05:29.35 | fishhead | ah |
| 05:29.35 | fishhead | think it's worth getting for a router? |
| 05:29.50 | jbevren | maybe |
| 05:29.51 | jbevren | hehe |
| 05:30.04 | jbevren | it'll serve the purpose, but the ppcboot firmnware doesnt (yet) save the boot environment |
| 05:30.09 | jbevren | so you have to mnaually start it each time |
| 05:30.36 | fishhead | oh forget that |
| 05:30.53 | jbevren | Ken and I are working on fixing that though |
| 05:31.02 | fishhead | ken? |
| 05:31.06 | jbevren | gpsfan |
| 05:31.10 | fishhead | oh |
| 05:31.16 | fishhead | well if you guys confirm anything let me know |
| 05:31.20 | fishhead | mabye I will get one to play with |
| 05:31.24 | jbevren | hehe |
| 05:31.26 | jbevren | they run well |
| 05:31.48 | fishhead | I know nothing about them |
| 05:31.55 | jbevren | serial console only of course |
| 05:31.59 | jbevren | simple 266mhz poewrpc boards |
| 05:32.01 | fishhead | will most pci nic cards work ? |
| 05:32.03 | jbevren | 2 pci slots |
| 05:32.06 | fishhead | 2? |
| 05:32.09 | jbevren | yeah, its a regular 5v slot |
| 05:32.09 | fishhead | this only has 1 |
| 05:32.16 | jbevren | yeah. In the pic, there's a card in th eleft-hand slot |
| 05:32.30 | fishhead | whoa |
| 05:32.32 | fishhead | even coolker |
| 05:32.38 | jbevren | it comes with a firewire card |
| 05:32.45 | fishhead | what is the nic onboard |
| 05:32.47 | jbevren | however, it comes with onboard nic, so even with one pci slot, it'll work |
| 05:32.52 | jbevren | its builtin to the ppc405 chip |
| 05:32.54 | jbevren | (the nic) |
| 05:32.59 | jbevren | 100bT |
| 05:33.01 | fishhead | oh so it's a good performer |
| 05:33.07 | jbevren | nod |
| 05:33.07 | fishhead | not cheap realtek shit |
| 05:33.14 | jbevren | I just copied my 300M deb install to nfs :) |
| 05:35.50 | jbevren | heh |
| 05:35.54 | jbevren | it moves data |
| 05:35.56 | jbevren | beyond that I dont care |
| 05:36.05 | jbevren | that said, Ive never had an issue with an 8139 chip |
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| 05:50.44 | jbevren | zzz. |
| 05:50.47 | jbevren | bedtime :) |
| 05:51.11 | fishhead | night |
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| 14:05.04 | jbevren | re Ken |
| 14:06.48 | GPSFan | jbevren: morning |
| 14:09.09 | prpplague | morning all |
| 14:13.11 | GPSFan | prpplague: howdy.. |
| 14:13.36 | jbevren | Morning prpp |
| 14:15.19 | jbevren | what's the occasion? :) |
| 14:17.20 | prpplague | preparing to move back |
| 14:18.58 | jbevren | but why lol |
| 14:29.12 | prpplague | jbevren: several reasons |
| 14:29.22 | prpplague | jbevren: one cost of living here is much higher |
| 14:29.47 | prpplague | jbevren: two my job in the states has gotten more into the hardware side of the development so i have to be there more |
| 14:30.01 | jbevren | aww dang |
| 14:30.01 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:30.06 | prpplague | jbevren: three, there is only so much to do on an island |
| 14:30.18 | jbevren | that's true |
| 14:30.18 | prpplague | jbevren: four, there are no geeks here to hang out with |
| 14:30.28 | jbevren | well, I was going to vacation next winter in barbados |
| 14:30.30 | jbevren | lol :) |
| 14:30.34 | jbevren | s'ok tho |
| 14:30.41 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe still can, hehe |
| 14:30.57 | jbevren | yeah but there wont be any geeks to hang out with now |
| 14:31.15 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:36.58 | prpplague | omg you killed kenny |
| 14:37.05 | jbevren | teehee |
| 14:37.30 | prpplague | jbevren: you using buildroot or oe for your arm dev? |
| 14:37.46 | jbevren | erm |
| 14:38.00 | jbevren | whichever kit is retarded and doesnt apply arm-linux- to the buildkit |
| 14:38.19 | jbevren | so I have to modify my $PATH for it to work |
| 14:38.25 | jbevren | actually |
| 14:38.26 | prpplague | hmm |
| 14:38.39 | jbevren | I dev for the zipit, so its either just arm gcc and uclibc or buildroot |
| 14:38.46 | jbevren | cause I had to use the same version of uclibc |
| 14:39.17 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:39.30 | prpplague | thats an old version of buildroot though |
| 14:39.36 | jbevren | not much choice :) |
| 14:40.32 | jbevren | uClibc-0.9.15 |
| 14:40.36 | jbevren | outside the buildroot dir |
| 14:40.42 | jbevren | so I dont think I'm using buildroot |
| 14:40.52 | jbevren | I need to serial-mod my zipit heh |
| 14:41.20 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.28 | prpplague | yea that needs to be upgraded |
| 14:41.36 | prpplague | a plug? |
| 14:41.42 | jbevren | if I use a newer version, binaries wont run on the zipit |
| 14:41.45 | jbevren | nod |
| 14:42.05 | jbevren | prpplague: the EXT port on the gp2x has: usb host port; usb gadget port; tv out; audio out; jtag; serial port |
| 14:42.47 | jbevren | its a plug similar to that used on cellphones. According to the gp2x wiki, the sony ericsson E810 serial cord fits it, but needs some rewiring |
| 14:49.05 | prpplague | jbevren: ahh cooooool |
| 14:50.05 | jbevren | I certainly appreciate the thing having jtag on the port ;-) |
| 14:50.12 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:50.32 | prpplague | jbevren: did you ever say what arm9 chip it uses? |
| 14:50.42 | jbevren | oh |
| 14:50.43 | jbevren | I did |
| 14:50.45 | jbevren | um |
| 14:50.51 | jbevren | magiceyes mmsp2 or something |
| 14:50.54 | jbevren | let me look it up |
| 14:51.15 | jbevren | It's a dual core chip, arm920T (runs linux), arm 940t (runs arbitrary binaries uploaded to it) |
| 14:51.24 | jbevren | the 940 lacks a MMU so it doesnt run linux |
| 14:51.46 | jbevren | it also has hardware divx/dvd/etc decoders, and two video overlasy |
| 14:51.49 | jbevren | its a monster chip |
| 14:52.09 | prpplague | oh yea |
| 14:52.11 | jbevren | http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/MP2520F |
| 14:52.14 | prpplague | i forgot |
| 14:52.43 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:03.57 | jbevren | prpplague: http://www.mesdigital.com/english/Products/product_mmsp2.asp has a good diagram of the core chip in the gp2x |
| 15:04.24 | jbevren | I suspect the gp2x only has a handful of ICs (cpu, ram, nand flash, net2272) |
| 15:08.10 | jbevren | oh.. crazy-arse chip even has a hardware jpeg decoder |
| 16:31.55 | *** join/#edev GPSFan (n=Ken@65.121.49.208) |
| 16:31.55 | *** mode/#edev [+o GPSFan] by ChanServ |
| 17:21.46 | jbevren | re ken |
| 18:18.34 | GPSFan | jbevren: hey, got the wiggler clone woking with the latest version of OCD commander as well as the flash programmer, I was able to download the flash via jtag and save it. |
| 18:18.46 | jbevren | cool |
| 18:19.03 | prpplague | GPSFan: cooool |
| 18:19.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: which clone are you ising? |
| 18:19.47 | GPSFan | prpplague: unfortunately odc commander & their flash programmer is windoze, but it works. |
| 18:20.05 | prpplague | ahh, i'm nix only |
| 18:20.30 | prpplague | GPSFan: sparkfun has a new usb based wiggler |
| 18:20.56 | GPSFan | I looked over the net and found several schematics, the real key was to tie pin 8 to 15 on the parallel port, and run it in ecp mode. that fixed the problems with the new rev of software. |
| 18:22.22 | GPSFan | prpplague: I'd like to be *nix only as well but there are about half a dozen programs that I use all the time and there are no linux/*nix equivalents. |
| 18:22.40 | jbevren | ocd commander has a linux version (?) |
| 18:23.42 | prpplague | GPSFan: such as? |
| 18:23.59 | GPSFan | ooo, you are right they do, probably no source, but I'll give it a try. |
| 18:24.25 | jbevren | linux rpm |
| 18:29.23 | GPSFan | prpplague: PCB123 board layout tools, USAPhotoMaps, OziExplorer, MMANA (antenna analysis software), ERSI ARCGIS9 viewer. |
| 18:29.41 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:32.27 | GPSFan | jbevren: the linux version is also much older 2.41 Win, 2.14 Lin ;>( |
| 18:37.07 | jbevren | :( |
| 18:39.39 | GPSFan | jbevren: turns out the linux version is really OCDRemote. |
| 18:41.40 | prpplague | GPSFan: are trying to do some debugging? |
| 18:44.09 | prpplague | GPSFan: this is what alot of the #openjtag folks have been working on http://openocd.berlios.de/web/ |
| 19:01.30 | jbevren | arm this arm that lol |
| 19:01.33 | jbevren | where's the ppc405 support :) |
| 19:04.47 | prpplague | jbevren: sounds like you just volunteered |
| 19:11.09 | jbevren | lol |
| 19:11.19 | jbevren | believe me, if I had the knowhow, I'd love to |
| 19:15.05 | prpplague | jbevren: i thought you were a professional der |
| 19:15.07 | prpplague | devr |
| 19:17.04 | jbevren | I'm not |
| 19:17.16 | jbevren | I'm a sysadmin that wants to get into EE |
| 19:17.33 | jbevren | heh |
| 19:18.42 | prpplague | ahh |
| 19:31.59 | GPSFan | prpplague: I needed something that I could use right away, I'm not a windows fan, but OCD Commander had exactly what I needed. It was free, it supported a jtag interface I could build, it supported the processor I was using, it supported the flash on the board. |
| 19:33.18 | GPSFan | oh, and btw, it worked. a bit of a learning curve, but not bad. |
| 19:40.02 | prpplague | GPSFan: hehe |
| 19:44.27 | GPSFan | now starts the real work, get ppcboot re-compiled so as to use the flash for env storage, debug it and burn it into the flash. |
| 19:45.17 | prpplague | GPSFan: is this that cheapo ppc board? |
| 19:45.38 | GPSFan | yeah US$19.95 |
| 19:46.03 | jbevren | yeppers |
| 19:46.15 | jbevren | cpu : 405GP |
| 19:46.15 | jbevren | clock : 264MHz |
| 19:46.19 | jbevren | machine : IBM Walnut |
| 19:46.23 | jbevren | :D |
| 19:47.16 | GPSFan | 2 pci slots, IDE, DIMM slot, RS232 serial, jtag, 12V input, 10/100 ethernet. |
| 19:47.27 | jbevren | idles in linux at 250ma :) |
| 19:47.33 | jbevren | I got bored the otehr night :) |
| 19:47.36 | jbevren | it peaks 500ma without a hdd |
| 19:47.36 | prpplague | *cough* you started a elinux page yet |
| 19:47.44 | jbevren | oo havent thought of that :) |
| 19:48.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: share the knowledge!!! |
| 19:48.20 | jbevren | nooooo |
| 19:48.24 | jbevren | I was the pioneer ths time! |
| 19:48.25 | jbevren | lol |
| 19:48.28 | jbevren | s'ok tho |
| 19:49.33 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:52.32 | jbevren | hmmm |
| 19:53.05 | jbevren | GPSFan: or are you doing it :) |
| 19:53.17 | prpplague | jbevren: once you've logged in, just type in the url for a page that doesn't exist |
| 19:53.22 | jbevren | oh cool |
| 19:53.33 | prpplague | like http://www.elinux.org/wiki/PPChack |
| 19:53.50 | jbevren | pretty cool |
| 19:56.40 | GPSFan | just took some pix of the board & jtag adapter. |
| 19:56.55 | jbevren | GPSFan: editing "DHT-Walnut" atm |
| 20:00.20 | jbevren | Apple goes intel |
| 20:00.22 | jbevren | jobs sells his company to disney |
| 20:00.25 | jbevren | politicians start blogging |
| 20:00.28 | jbevren | the end IS near. |
| 20:00.52 | prpplague | jbevren: and ashley simpson has #1 hits |
| 20:01.49 | jbevren | http://elinux.org/wiki/DHT-Walnut |
| 20:01.51 | jbevren | wee |
| 20:01.55 | prpplague | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173346,00.html |
| 20:02.06 | jbevren | nod. quite scary |
| 20:04.36 | prpplague | 512k flash, which chip? |
| 20:05.12 | prpplague | i assume it has jtag then since GPSFan is tinkering with it |
| 20:05.28 | GPSFan | 29lv040b |
| 20:05.29 | prpplague | what chip is the ethernet controller |
| 20:05.53 | prpplague | GPSFan: that an intel chip? |
| 20:06.00 | jbevren | amd |
| 20:06.19 | prpplague | jbevren: too late |
| 20:06.26 | jbevren | hehe |
| 20:06.28 | jbevren | I see it was edited |
| 20:06.30 | jbevren | adding ethernet info etc |
| 20:07.31 | prpplague | wait a sec |
| 20:07.36 | prpplague | let me save my changes |
| 20:07.44 | jbevren | oh |
| 20:07.45 | prpplague | ok goahead |
| 20:07.48 | jbevren | I wasnt warned that it was being edited :) |
| 20:08.20 | GPSFan | prpplague: what happened to the add attachments button on the wiki? |
| 20:08.41 | prpplague | GPSFan: hmm |
| 20:09.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: just add the attachment:mydoc.pdf to the page and then click save, then you will be prompeted to upload the file |
| 20:09.52 | GPSFan | in the page text, yeah, maybe I remember now... |
| 20:10.17 | jbevren | ok |
| 20:10.29 | prpplague | might want to include a like to where they are being sold |
| 20:10.29 | jbevren | added detail to the jtag , eth, and included common config |
| 20:10.34 | jbevren | <- out of edit |
| 20:10.49 | jbevren | brb laundry |
| 20:12.23 | fishhead | prpplague, |
| 20:12.27 | fishhead | you must see this |
| 20:12.50 | fishhead | jbevren, btw does that have a dimm slot or is the 32 meg soldered on |
| 20:13.11 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.13 | jbevren | :D |
| 20:13.15 | jbevren | read the wiki page |
| 20:14.45 | fishhead | KICKASS! |
| 20:14.51 | fishhead | defintely ordering one in a bit |
| 20:14.54 | prpplague | fishhead: see what? |
| 20:15.04 | fishhead | oh well, what's $2000 grand today on my cc :P |
| 20:15.11 | fishhead | http://www.bgmicro.com/prodinfo.asp?sid=05507870370370376716588141&prodid=COM1191&page=1&cri=&stype=1 |
| 20:15.14 | fishhead | that |
| 20:15.31 | fishhead | what wiki jbevren |
| 20:15.40 | jbevren | http://elinux.org/wiki/DHT-Walnut |
| 20:15.42 | jbevren | the elinux wiki :P |
| 20:15.46 | prpplague | fishhead: duh |
| 20:16.35 | fishhead | wow, cool |
| 20:17.31 | jbevren | prpp twisted our arms |
| 20:17.35 | jbevren | so we put up a page :0 |
| 20:17.36 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.03 | fishhead | OH HE HAS one |
| 20:18.04 | fishhead | sorry |
| 20:19.08 | fishhead | bbl |
| 20:19.13 | jbevren | hehe |
| 20:19.15 | jbevren | I have four :) |
| 20:25.01 | prpplague | GPSFan: is that flash -120 or -55 ? |
| 20:25.57 | GPSFan | prpplague: how do you remove a picture uploaded via the "attachment:..." process? |
| 20:26.13 | GPSFan | -120 |
| 20:26.50 | prpplague | GPSFan: should be able to go to the attachments and just select delete |
| 20:29.28 | GPSFan | non-obvious as to where that is, now I know why I seldom use/update that wiki. I'll just wait a while till I cool down.... |
| 20:31.58 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:38.39 | *** join/#edev sunrunner20 (n=jamesdoe@carrell27.august.net) |
| 20:39.30 | prpplague | GPSFan: you sure thats an amd and not atmel? |
| 20:40.12 | jbevren | prpplague: part number |
| 20:40.20 | jbevren | AM29LV040B-120JC |
| 20:40.25 | jbevren | with amd logo in the corner |
| 20:40.53 | jbevren | (C) 1998 AMD |
| 20:41.06 | jbevren | I think the (c) is 1998. its definately AMD |
| 20:41.18 | jbevren | the copyright year has 'ppcboot 1.00' stamped through it |
| 20:45.38 | prpplague | man that was a good challenge |
| 20:45.45 | prpplague | haven't had to search that much in awhile |
| 20:46.02 | fishhead | jbevren, so they take standard pc66/100/133 sdram |
| 20:46.11 | fishhead | HAHAHAHA |
| 20:46.15 | fishhead | prpplague, we are so alike |
| 20:46.24 | prpplague | ?? |
| 20:47.06 | fishhead | <prpplague> man that was a good challenge |
| 20:47.06 | fishhead | <prpplague> haven't had to search that much in awhile |
| 20:47.10 | jbevren | fishhead: I answered that last night |
| 20:47.12 | jbevren | :) |
| 20:47.15 | fishhead | jbe no I didn't see it |
| 20:47.20 | jbevren | but yeah |
| 20:47.22 | jbevren | it does |
| 20:47.29 | jbevren | I put a pc133 64M in mine to test |
| 20:47.33 | fishhead | excellent I will slap in a 64 or 128 right off :P |
| 20:47.36 | jbevren | it doesnt seem to like pc100 ram |
| 20:47.42 | fishhead | weird |
| 20:47.50 | jbevren | and the 405GP docs say 256M per bank |
| 20:47.54 | jbevren | since there's only one bank on the board |
| 20:47.56 | fishhead | nice |
| 20:47.57 | jbevren | I'd say 256M max |
| 20:48.04 | fishhead | don't really need more than 128 |
| 20:48.08 | fishhead | even with openswan or something :P |
| 20:48.12 | jbevren | yeah |
| 20:48.20 | fishhead | not like you are going to boot X, etc on it |
| 20:48.28 | jbevren | heh |
| 20:48.32 | jbevren | X can run in small amounts of ram |
| 20:48.36 | jbevren | X 3.3.6 can run well in 8M |
| 20:48.48 | jbevren | 4.0 in 16 if you use very light apps (or remote apps) |
| 20:48.48 | fishhead | X yeah |
| 20:48.49 | fishhead | apps no |
| 20:49.00 | jbevren | anyway |
| 20:49.10 | fishhead | I am going to order mine in a few mins |
| 20:49.12 | prpplague | GPSFan: okie dokie datasheet uploaded for the flash |
| 20:49.15 | jbevren | I cant think of a related project that would need more than 32M on these. heh |
| 20:49.15 | fishhead | need to check a few othger things first |
| 20:49.22 | fishhead | yeah |
| 20:49.35 | fishhead | even for a nice nat router/firewall like I want it for |
| 20:51.18 | fishhead | hope there are some left :/ |
| 20:51.26 | jbevren | call em |
| 20:51.40 | jbevren | they have an 800# |
| 20:51.42 | fishhead | i'll just order, if it goes thru it was meant to be |
| 20:51.45 | fishhead | if not then ... |
| 20:52.09 | fishhead | is threre any i/o taps on it? |
| 20:52.17 | fishhead | like header for parallel port or something |
| 20:52.25 | jbevren | the wiki displays what's available :) |
| 20:52.28 | prpplague | ~lart sf.net |
| 20:52.33 | jbevren | you can pop a pci parallel port on it |
| 20:52.36 | fishhead | guess not |
| 20:52.38 | fishhead | oh |
| 20:52.40 | fishhead | you are right |
| 20:53.02 | fishhead | I used to be this sharp :/ |
| 20:53.08 | fishhead | I think the meds fried me |
| 20:54.50 | fishhead | whoa |
| 20:54.52 | fishhead | come to think of it |
| 20:55.00 | fishhead | how well could this thing handle mp3 playback |
| 20:55.21 | jbevren | anyone editing? I'm going to attach my current .config |
| 20:55.56 | prpplague | yea i'm editing at the momment give me a sec |
| 20:56.00 | jbevren | k no prob |
| 20:56.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: you have the bsdl file for it? |
| 20:56.33 | jbevren | 'bsdl'? |
| 20:56.43 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/wiki/BSDL |
| 20:58.13 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 20:58.19 | prpplague | jbevren: edit away |
| 20:58.32 | jbevren | ok |
| 20:58.37 | jbevren | thanks for the bsdl link |
| 20:59.02 | prpplague | jbevren: np, if you need to know something about doing embedded system, chances are that there is a wiki page at elinux |
| 20:59.10 | GPSFan | prpplague: sorry was off doing stuff, I don't have a bsdl file, support was built into OCD. |
| 20:59.12 | prpplague | jbevren: i've spent alot of time getting those set up |
| 20:59.15 | jbevren | prpplague: Ok |
| 20:59.20 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh ok |
| 20:59.38 | prpplague | GPSFan: np, i added the flash datasheet |
| 20:59.58 | prpplague | GPSFan: what bootloader are you gonna use? |
| 20:59.59 | GPSFan | jbevren: I think the max is 128M for the DIMM. I found a reference, will upload it when I remember where it is. |
| 21:00.08 | jbevren | where do I attach a file :P |
| 21:00.56 | prpplague | jbevren: you have to add a statementlike this: attachment:nameoffile.ext |
| 21:01.01 | GPSFan | prpplague: gonna start with ppcboot 1.1.2 which is what is in there. I want to be able to re-create it and find a way to test it without flashing. |
| 21:01.17 | jbevren | ah ok |
| 21:01.17 | prpplague | GPSFan: ahh |
| 21:01.24 | jbevren | inside [] like the others? |
| 21:01.27 | prpplague | GPSFan: wonder how hard it would be to get apex working |
| 21:01.47 | prpplague | jbevren: thats only if you want to have it appear as some clickable text |
| 21:02.15 | jbevren | works for me |
| 21:02.16 | prpplague | 512k is alot of room for bootloader stuff |
| 21:02.23 | jbevren | then it asks for the file when I submit yeah? |
| 21:02.44 | fishhead | prpplague, yeah even moronic me |
| 21:02.53 | fishhead | could get some kinda boot code even in basic in 512kb |
| 21:03.01 | fishhead | :P |
| 21:03.14 | fishhead | I might buy a few of those 512KB dips btw |
| 21:03.18 | fishhead | $3 each I think |
| 21:03.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: it look to have any gpios? |
| 21:03.50 | jbevren | ok, the config is uploaded |
| 21:03.55 | prpplague | anyone got a hi-re photo of the board? |
| 21:04.36 | jbevren | my scsi cables are missing (no scanner) as is my camrea. grr. |
| 21:04.38 | jbevren | gpsfan? :) |
| 21:05.09 | jbevren | I'm eventually going to set up a netSANE and printsever heh |
| 21:05.19 | jbevren | meybe I'll use one of these thingies |
| 21:05.21 | jbevren | mwahahha |
| 21:05.28 | fishhead | those are damn nice bro |
| 21:05.31 | fishhead | even the cheapo ones |
| 21:05.41 | fishhead | I dislike using windows sharing for printers anymore |
| 21:05.46 | fishhead | too many times the pc it's on takes a crap |
| 21:05.47 | jbevren | heh |
| 21:05.51 | fishhead | and canucks the whole network |
| 21:05.54 | jbevren | fishhead: I have a SGI Indy that's allocated to netSANE |
| 21:06.03 | jbevren | soon as I find my HD50->centronics calbe I'm set |
| 21:06.04 | fishhead | netSANE, wow |
| 21:06.08 | jbevren | nod |
| 21:06.12 | jbevren | scanner on the network |
| 21:06.25 | jbevren | I'll have it available via vnc too, just in case youre stuck on a winbox |
| 21:06.31 | jbevren | cause TWAIN doesnt understand networking |
| 21:06.45 | jbevren | SANE does though, its pretty impressive |
| 21:06.52 | fishhead | amazing |
| 21:06.55 | jbevren | I have one of those HP scanners that can play music |
| 21:06.58 | fishhead | I think the most amazing hack I seen so far |
| 21:06.58 | jbevren | (offtopic) |
| 21:07.05 | fishhead | is the console and arcade emulators |
| 21:07.20 | fishhead | that add network play to old games by emulating the joystick over tcpip |
| 21:07.26 | jbevren | hehe |
| 21:07.27 | jbevren | yeah |
| 21:07.30 | jbevren | hey anyway |
| 21:07.34 | jbevren | gotta run some errands |
| 21:07.35 | jbevren | bbiab |
| 21:07.42 | fishhead | ok |
| 21:07.42 | jbevren | guys: I'm off edit on the page, feel free |
| 21:07.46 | fishhead | mabye when I get back |
| 21:07.56 | fishhead | you guys can help me pickout a cheap $20 dmm for now |
| 21:08.03 | fishhead | just to check voltages and stuf till I can afford better |
| 21:08.07 | fishhead | I am dying here without one |
| 21:08.14 | jbevren | get a pocket one from radioshack |
| 21:08.18 | jbevren | theyre cheap and will do the duty |
| 21:08.20 | jbevren | afk! :) |
| 21:08.22 | fishhead | I had one for a few yrs |
| 21:08.25 | fishhead | it had a stroke |
| 21:10.04 | prpplague | heading out for the day |
| 21:10.06 | prpplague | later folks |
| 21:10.09 | fishhead | peace |
| 21:11.33 | GPSFan | jbevren: I had a nice photo, but had trouble uploading it to the wiki, I ALWAYS have problems uploading to the wiki. ;>( |
| 21:13.16 | fishhead | GPSFan, |
| 21:13.17 | fishhead | http://www.bgmicro.com/prodinfo.asp?sid=05921527777777786716588141&prodid=PWR1104&page=3&cri=PWR&stype=2 |
| 21:15.03 | GPSFan | fishhead: cute.. |
| 21:44.25 | jbevren | GPSFan: can you dcc send it to me? |
| 21:44.28 | jbevren | I'll upload it heh |
| 21:45.15 | GPSFan | jbevren: want them all? I have some of the jtag adapter too. |
| 21:46.13 | jbevren | nobody editing? |
| 21:46.31 | GPSFan | nope |
| 21:47.00 | jbevren | how does one format an image link? |
| 21:47.09 | jbevren | oh |
| 21:48.38 | jbevren | ok, the page isnt horribly helpful :) |
| 21:49.48 | jbevren | hmm I dont get it :) |
| 21:50.03 | jbevren | oh well, I'll just attach as file :) |
| 21:52.41 | jbevren | haha ok so it doesnt work like file attachments :) |
| 21:53.56 | jbevren | ok refresh |
| 21:59.23 | jbevren | Mobile phone carrier Cingular Wireless may have managed to get a patent on the emoticon. |
| 22:01.06 | jbevren | http://www.cellular-news.com/story/15792.php |
| 22:10.46 | GPSFan | jbevren: that's a screenshot of ppcboot & OCD Commander |
| 22:13.23 | jbevren | I dont think we'd want that inline'd :) |
| 22:26.22 | GPSFan | right, that's why I always liked local storage, so you could have a link to the picture/etc that wouldn't go away. |
| 22:26.39 | jbevren | hehe |
| 22:26.45 | jbevren | do you want that on the wiki ro? |
| 22:26.48 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.51 | GPSFan | got a 64M dimm running, tried 2 128M's neither worked. |
| 22:26.51 | jbevren | grr cant type :) |
| 22:27.00 | jbevren | are the 128's pc133? |
| 22:27.57 | GPSFan | yes, I think that the memory bus is running at 66MHz. look at the legend on the back of the board and which resistors are fitted. looks like 66 to me... |
| 22:28.08 | jbevren | hm |
| 22:28.11 | jbevren | I didnt check the stuffing |
| 22:29.06 | GPSFan | did you have to set the ethernet MAC address in setenv? |
| 22:30.49 | jbevren | yeah |
| 22:30.58 | jbevren | I use 0:1:2:3:4:5 |
| 22:31.10 | jbevren | incomign flood :) |
| 22:31.11 | jbevren | setenv ethaddr 00:01:02:03:04:05 |
| 22:31.11 | jbevren | setenv ipaddr 192.168.1.4 |
| 22:31.11 | jbevren | setenv serverip 192.168.1.13 |
| 22:31.11 | jbevren | tftpboot 400000 dhs-test |
| 22:31.11 | jbevren | tftpboot c00000 usj.gz |
| 22:31.13 | jbevren | setenv bootargs root=/dev/ram0 |
| 22:31.15 | jbevren | bootm 400000 c00000 |
| 22:35.53 | GPSFan | that's what I figured, gotta start on the re-creation of ppcboot. so we canb save the environment. |
| 22:36.02 | jbevren | nod |
| 22:36.10 | jbevren | I have to make a module for this weekend's RPG |
| 22:36.19 | jbevren | so I dont have time this week to mess about muhc |
| 22:36.38 | GPSFan | make modules ... ;>) |
| 22:36.48 | jbevren | heh |
| 22:36.57 | jbevren | I just started a campaign that should run for a year or two |
| 22:49.29 | jbevren | blu? |
| 22:59.16 | fishhead | GPSfan |
| 22:59.29 | fishhead | you might need 8/16 chip 128's and 16 chip only 256's |
| 22:59.32 | fishhead | low density modules |
| 22:59.50 | fishhead | damn |
| 22:59.54 | fishhead | I just thought of something |
| 23:00.10 | fishhead | if my palm t5 isn't covered I am going to be in the hole, mabye I shouldn't get that ppc :/ |
| 23:18.55 | fishhead | http://www.bgmicro.com/prodinfo.asp?sid=06789699074074076716588141&prodid=COM1159&page=2&cri=COM&stype=2 <--- holy mother of canuck! |
| 23:25.54 | fishhead | http://www.bgmicro.com/prodinfo.asp?sid=06789699074074076716588141&prodid=COM1163&page=2&cri=COM&stype=2 |
| 23:26.05 | fishhead | sun!@ |
| 23:44.48 | sunrunner20 | :p |
| 23:45.25 | sunrunner20 | good thing for you to mess with |