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00:25.32*** topic/#edev is discussion for small embedded device development and hacking || http://www.elinux.org/wiki/ || http://www.hackaday.com || http://www.linux-hacker.net || LNode80 arm7 developments kit available at the end of Jan
00:44.51fishheadguys
00:44.58fishheadwhat's the standard barallel size for ac adaptors
00:45.09fishheadthe most common one used at least since the 80's
00:45.44fishheadnm I have idea
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01:09.43fishheadI need help
01:09.52fishheadhttp://www.bgmicro.com/prodinfo.asp?sid=07528587962962966716588141&prodid=MET1014&page=1&cri=MET&stype=2
01:10.04fishheadhttp://www.bgmicro.com/prodinfo.asp?sid=07528587962962966716588141&prodid=MET1016&page=1&cri=MET&stype=2
01:10.22fishheadhttp://www.bgmicro.com/prodinfo.asp?sid=07570833333333336716588141&prodid=MET1034&page=3&cri=MET&stype=2
01:10.46fishheadwhich of these 3 do you think is best, I am more toward the $15 or $19 one since the $7 doesn't say if it has beep contunity
01:33.59Genesisbye
01:40.40GPSFanfishhead: get the 19.95 one, it measures capacitance which is often usefull.
01:42.00joe_bleauI'd got for the one that's marked "Fluke"
01:42.19fishheadGPS that's the one I picked, thx
01:42.49joe_bleauI'm not prejudiced thought, I also use one marked "Tektronix" (but Fluke bought the meter division from Tek, so it's a Fluke too nowadays)
01:44.12fishheadordered, yay!
01:45.27fishheadhttp://www.bgmicro.com/prodinfo.asp?sid=07810648148148156716588141&prodid=COM1191&page=1&cri=&stype=1 and info http://supernova.stanford.edu/dingdong/
01:46.17joe_bleauI've got a bunch (>500) of BR1225 3V lithium coin cells at work (solder tabs).  Almost all are removed from new circuit boards, so very little drain.  Any ideas on what to do with 'em?  I'd hate to just toss them, since they're so new.
01:50.54sunrunner20ebay
01:51.43fishheadsun
01:51.44fishheadgo get one
01:57.11sunrunner20one what
01:57.49fishheadhttp://www.bgmicro.com/prodinfo.asp?sid=07810648148148156716588141&prodid=COM1191&page=1&cri=&stype=1 and info http://supernova.stanford.edu/dingdong/
01:58.05joe_bleauI have two on order as of tuesday
02:03.21fishheadbtw folks that ppc I pasted the url for $20, there are a few people in #edev that have them working with linux
02:03.24fishheadmabye this will spark some new blood here :p
02:05.11joe_bleauI need to read the logs and see if anyone got JTAG working.
02:05.20sunrunner20i'm not interested
02:05.28sunrunner20i'm interested in devlopming stuff myself now :p
02:05.44joe_bleauAs I understand the 4xx cores, there is a nice short scan chain for debugging
02:05.49fishheadjbevren, has some working
02:05.52joe_bleau(as opposed to something like the 603), but the debug info isn't public
02:05.55fishheaddunno about jtag
02:06.15joe_bleauIf that's all true (and I hope it's not), there probably won't be any open-source
02:06.24joe_bleauJTAG solutions for the 4xx chips.
02:06.50joe_bleauI plan on trying ocd commander + parallel port wiggler (under win2k)
02:07.12joe_bleauand possibly an HP/IBM riscwatch box (if I can reverse engineer the cabling and power supply)
02:07.41sunrunner20riscwatch?
02:07.53joe_bleauYep.
02:08.03fishheadI apolgise, I forgot to mention that store url is us based so people out of the country might not want to bother
02:08.07sunrunner20what is it
02:08.20joe_bleau"RISCWatch is a hardware and software development tool for the PowerPC 600/700 Family of microprocessors and the PowerPC 400 Series of Embedded Controllers"
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04:51.36catastropHouse is a nice show.
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06:29.45silverpoweranybody here experienced with the board that fishhead's been mentioning? I just bought a couple.
06:30.22fishheadYOU MIGHT HAVE to catch jbevren tomarrow bro
06:30.36fishheador prpplague he's usuall here morning to around 2 pm eastern time
06:30.45fishheadhe's also the dude going the juicebox hack :)
06:30.57silverpowerOooh. :)
06:35.54fishheadI been usong one to play mp3
06:36.00fishheadbut only supports up to 512meg sd
06:36.10fishheadonly 128kbit 44khz 16 bit non-vbr
06:36.12fishheadno ff
06:36.13fishheadno rewind
06:36.15fishheadno playlist
06:36.25fishheadthe random function somehow randomly picks the same ones every time :P
06:36.34fishheadbut I didn't get them for mp3 players
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16:18.46fishheadfor all the channels that this applies to, this is tne 2nd and last time i paste this url, I DO NOT WORK FOR THIS COMPANY, and do not have anything to do with them other than I saw this thing, bought one and thought it's so cool I wanted to get the word out
16:20.10fishhead<fishhead> http://www.bgmicro.com/prodinfo.asp?sid=07810648148148156716588141&prodid=COM1191&page=1&cri=&stype=1 and info http://supernova.stanford.edu/dingdong/
16:20.13fishhead<fishhead> btw folks that ppc I pasted the url for $20, there are a few people in #edev that have them working with linux
16:20.19fishhead<fishhead> I apolgise, I forgot to mention that store url is us based so people out of the country might not want to bother
16:21.29fishheadsorry about the disclaimer, but I already just about had death threats from morons who thought I was a spammer
16:22.24fishheadif anyone still thinks I am a spammer, just message lilo, he has known me for yrs
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18:40.29fishheadhey again silver, they don't seem to be around today :/
18:47.24silverpowerhuh.
18:47.26silverpowerthat sucks.
18:48.07fishheadthey are as regular as it gets though bro
18:48.08fishheadso don't worry
18:48.15fishheadthey will be back on :)
18:50.09silverpower...eventually.
18:50.13silverpower:)
18:55.42silverpoweranyway, I'm kind of new to embedded devices - I know about the i-opener hacking efforts, and about various portable consoles, but aside from that...
18:55.51silverpower...what's out there?
18:56.37fishheadjuicebox :)
18:56.40fishheadwebpal
18:56.50fishheadwell webpal you can't find anymroe except mabye ebay
18:57.15fishheadbtw http://elinux.org/wiki/DHT-Walnut <-- for anyone looking at that ppc url I pasted earlier, they undated the wiki
18:58.07fishheadbtw http://elinux.org/wiki/DHT-Walnut <-- for anyone looking at that ppc url I pasted earlier, they undated the wiki
18:58.12fishheaddoh
18:58.12fishheadhang on si
18:58.14fishheadgoing to find something for you
18:58.21silverpowerOkay, so this is in fact a DHT version of the IBM Walnut eval boards? (now I know what to call it, hehe)
18:58.46fishheadthey think so or close enough
19:00.44fishheadactually one difference I see
19:00.48silverpoweroooh, thanks! this is a much clearer pic of the board.
19:00.51fishheadthe one on the wiki appears to have linear regs
19:01.01fishheadthe one in the other url and on the sales site appears to be switching
19:01.02fishheadwhich is better
19:03.08silverpowerI wonder how many serial ports I get to play with?
19:03.08fishheadsilver
19:03.09fishheadhttp://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Session=
19:03.13fishheadone
19:03.18fishheadand it's wired to console
19:03.25fishheadbut you could put in a pci i/o card
19:03.27fishheadwith serial ports etc
19:06.44silverpowerHmm. Maybe I'll hunt down a riser card and see how well the DHT board likes it.
19:10.03silverpowertwo PCI slots should be good enough to make a media player with, though.
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19:21.46silverpoweroh, hello.
19:26.19silverpowerfishhead: how many of those boards didya buy again?
19:26.29fishheadjust one
19:26.59silverpowerah. I got me two.
19:27.38silverpowerI'd buy more, but I don't like depriving my fellow geeks.
19:28.34silverpowerand two or three is about all I can reasonably use, anyway.
19:28.42fishheadit's ok I am broke anyways
19:29.43silverpowerMy new abundance of money has a lot to do with recently scoring my next round of student aid checks.
19:30.10silverpowerNormally, I'm flat broke.
19:31.38silverpoweranyway, I'm off to install NetBSD on this Pismo of mine. Later, everyone.
20:10.10joe_bleauMy DHT-Walnut boards from BG Micro just arrived!
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21:48.03fishheadbasterd
21:48.07fishheadhow did you get them overnight?
21:52.31joe_bleauThey weren't overnight.
21:52.53joe_bleauI think I ordered tuesday, maybe even monday.  Paypal took a couple of days, so they didn't ship
21:53.17joe_bleau'till thursday.  They shipped USPS, so arriving today was a bonus.
21:53.33fishheadoh ok
21:59.59joe_bleauJust dug up a datasheet for the firewire chip
22:14.04fishheadwho makes the chip
22:25.20joe_bleauTI
22:32.07fishheadYES
22:32.10fishheadthey are the best
22:34.56joe_bleauBased on a TSB43AA22.  Two external ports, one internal.  I suspect one is shared, as the '22 datasheet lists it as a two port controller.
22:35.26joe_bleauOHCI, not PCILynx.  I guess that means it'll work under Winblows, and it won't allow for firewire bus sniffing.
22:35.54fishheadthat good or bad
22:38.01joe_bleauI don't know nuthin' 'bout no firewire
22:54.56fishheadknow this
22:55.05fishheadvia can't make usb or fw worth a shit
23:02.00silverpower...why am I suddenly glaring at my craptacular K6-2 mobo with dead USB?
23:08.47fishheadlemme guess via mvp3 chipset ?
23:09.00silverpoweryep.
23:09.10fishhead*CANUCKED*
23:09.25silverpowerthe mvp4 isn't much better.
23:09.35fishheadI hate that chipset I just retired 3 boards and about to swap out my sister's with a PII 350 or something
23:09.44fishheadmvp3 is mvp3 + trident gay video
23:09.55fishheadhow much l2 cache do you have
23:10.38silverpower512k on both boards.
23:10.42fishheadugh
23:10.48fishheadthat means 128 meg of ram max
23:10.53fishheadelse you lose caching
23:11.11fishhead512kb = 64wb/128wt
23:11.37fishhead1024kb=128wb/256wt (actually 127 and 255, yeah via)
23:11.46fishhead2048=255/511
23:12.00fishheadyou add more and you take a 40-60% performance hit
23:12.13fishheaddepends what's it for though
23:12.18silverpowerI don't believe this. I'm actually in the market for another Z.
23:12.19fishhead3d games/multimedia it takes a hit bad
23:12.23fishheadZ. ?
23:13.06silverpowerA Nissan 300ZX. I had an old '84 once, and I'm missing it so badly now, especially since I have the funds to fix something like that up.
23:13.24silverpower(I'm a car geek, too. Can't you tell?)
23:14.34fishheadwow
23:14.35fishheadcool
23:15.41silverpowerAnyway, I'm in the market for another sports car. Problem is, even with a liberal definition of 'sports car', I'm not finding anything (except on eBay - some poor abused RX-7 convertible is up for sale 100mi from me, which is awesome.)
23:16.39fishheaddude wtf do you work for
23:17.26silverpowerI'm not working.
23:17.46fishheadwin the lotto?
23:17.56silverpowerI got my latest round of student aid checks.
23:18.01fishheaduhh
23:18.06fishheadshouldn't you be using those for school
23:18.16fishheadI just finished paying mine off
23:18.20silverpower...I need a car.
23:18.25silverpowerI don't have one.
23:18.35fishheadso take a bank loan
23:18.43silverpowerAnd without one, I can't attend classes at the main campus.
23:19.02silverpowerA bank loan?! WTF would give me a loan?
23:19.55silverpowerI suppose it would be worth looking into. Take out a $5000 loan so I can get a decent machine.
23:20.27silverpowerIt beats stalking the old lady with the SR5 Corolla 2-door around here.
23:20.58fishheadheh
23:21.01fishheadin 2000
23:21.06fishhead1998 ford escort
23:21.08fishhead18,000 miles
23:21.11fishheadtotalled
23:21.22fishheadpaid $4500 for it total, rebuilt and ready for me to use
23:21.30fishheadprobably have mabye $2000 in it now
23:21.33fishhead$500 was tires
23:21.45silverpowerI wouldn't want to expend the effort on a freaking domestic.
23:21.58fishheadthe only problem right is is the ac quit working and I think my front struts are gone or the steering box is
23:22.13silverpowerWas it the ZX2 variant? Those were actually kind of cool.
23:22.19fishheadbut it's been nearly perfect
23:22.25fishheadconsidering I wrecked it once too
23:22.28fishheadhit ice then a pole
23:22.32fishheadno
23:22.38fishheadbut the zx2 is based off it
23:22.39joe_bleau~12Vdc power--check.  Serial port--check.  Blue led--check.
23:22.42joe_bleauPPCBoot 1.1.2 (Feb 13 2002 - 15:46:54)
23:22.42joe_bleauCPU:   IBM PowerPC 405GP Rev. E at 264 MHz (PLB=66, OPB=33, EBC=33 MHz)
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23:22.42joe_bleauBoard: ### No HW ID - assuming WALNUT405
23:22.43fishheadit is the mazda version
23:22.50fishheadWHOA
23:22.53fishheadIT MONITORS THE VOLTAGE
23:22.54fishheadOH YEAH
23:23.11silverpowerw00t!
23:23.13joe_bleauNo I typed that.
23:23.15fishheadsilverpower TACKLE HIM
23:23.19fishheadTIE HIM DOWN
23:23.21silverpowersorry, couldn't resist.
23:23.22fishheadnow is your chance
23:23.25fishheadmilk him for info
23:23.43silverpowerI just bought a couple for various evil PPC projects?
23:23.52silverpowers/?/!
23:24.01fishheadI am still debating between router/firewall or car mp3 player
23:24.03fishhead:/
23:24.33silverpowermp3car for one board, and the other is for prototyping my mini-workstation ideas.
23:25.05silverpowerfishhead: didya post this on the mp3car boards, by any chance? I'm sure they'd love to have one.
23:25.08joe_bleau=> bdinfo
23:25.08joe_bleaumemstart    = 0x00000000
23:25.08joe_bleaumemsize     = 0x02000000
23:25.08joe_bleauflashstart  = 0xfff80000
23:25.08joe_bleauflashsize   = 0x00080000
23:25.08joe_bleauflashoffset = 0x00030000
23:25.10joe_bleausramstart   = 0x00000000
23:25.12joe_bleausramsize    = 0x00000000
23:25.14joe_bleaubootflags   = 0x0000a000
23:25.16joe_bleauprocfreq    =    264 MHz
23:25.18joe_bleauplb_busfreq =     66 MHz
23:25.20joe_bleaupci_busfreq =     33 MHz
23:25.22joe_bleauethaddr     = 00:00:00:00:00:00
23:25.24joe_bleauIP addr     = 0.0.0.0
23:25.26joe_bleaubaudrate    =   9600 bps
23:25.28joe_bleaugetc        = 0x01fd3284
23:25.28fishheaduhh sram size = 0 ?
23:25.30joe_bleautstc        = 0x01fd32dc
23:25.32joe_bleauputc        = 0x01fd31c8
23:25.34joe_bleauputs        = 0x01fd3240
23:25.36joe_bleauprintf      = 0x01fe171c
23:25.38joe_bleauinstall_hdlr= 0x01fd2d80
23:25.40joe_bleaufree_hdlr   = 0x01fd2e10
23:25.40silverpowerNo MAC address?
23:25.42joe_bleaumalloc      = 0x01fd456c
23:25.44joe_bleaufree        = 0x01fd4a70
23:26.30joe_bleau=> flinfo
23:26.30joe_bleauBank # 1: AMD AM29F040 (512 Kbit, uniform sector size)
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23:27.15fishheadmmmm
23:30.23joe_bleauOh, let's reboot with the firewire card and do a pciinfo command:
23:30.27joe_bleauFound PCI device 2:
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23:31.12joe_bleauThe switchers are making a funny little squeeling sound
23:32.47joe_bleau390mA at bootup, dropping to ~300mA once it hits the ppcboot prompt
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23:33.32silverpowerWhoa!
23:33.42silverpowerDo you have an HD installed?
23:33.48silverpowerany other cards?
23:34.10silverpower(could you test a sound card on it - that's what I really need to know.)
23:34.37joe_bleauNo other cards, no hard drive.  I don't have my regulated 12V supply on the bench tonight, so that will have to wait.
23:34.47joe_bleauDon't know if I have a PCI sound card handy or not.
23:34.59joe_bleauI'm supposed to be working, not playing...
23:35.07J4k3what does it use for voltage regulation?
23:35.12fishheadswithcers
23:35.28fishhead1370 has better codec
23:35.32fishheadThe switchers are making a funny little squeeling sound
23:35.32fishhead<joe_bleau> 390mA at bootup, dropping to ~300mA once it hits the ppcboot prompt
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23:35.52silverpowerBetter codec? Links?
23:36.02fishheadsilverpower yeah lemme try to find it
23:36.03fishheadit's old
23:36.09fishheadthe link I mean
23:36.12joe_bleauLet's see...National LM2678S-5.0, LM2678S-3.3, and LM3965ES-2.5
23:36.30fishheadooo
23:36.32joe_bleauTwo 0.5" PE coils
23:36.32fishheadnat semi
23:36.34fishheaduNF!
23:36.39joe_bleauI'll bet the 2.5V is a linear
23:36.47fishheadnot a big deal :P
23:36.52J4k3squeeling regulators...  prolly 50khz models running open most of the time or something
23:37.22silverpowerfishhead: I plan to pick up some 1370s/71/73 cards soon - I find that they'll work in any machine with a sane PCI implementation and a Linux port.
23:37.26J4k3haha 2678's...  I think thats what my homemade PoE supplies use - they squeel on occasion
23:37.27joe_bleauIt's not too bad, kinda sounds likes one of those little vacuum fluorescent displays
23:37.35joe_bleauSimple switcher?
23:37.44J4k3yeah, very simple
23:38.15fishheadyeah es137x has nice linux support
23:38.24fishheadone thing about the 1371 and 1373 but only some models
23:38.27silverpowerBesides, most of the time, the only real difference between it and a Live is how much of a pig the Live is power-wise.
23:38.28fishheadyou can mod them to do digital out
23:38.38fishheadthe live also butt fucks the pci bus
23:38.43fishheadno thx to that card
23:38.55J4k3the Live also pisses all over the PCI spec :P
23:39.35silverpowerISTR the Live developers using their copy of the PCI spec as rolling papers.
23:39.46fishheadj43k that's what I said
23:39.51fishheadsilverpower, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
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23:40.29J4k3haha
23:40.33silverpowerAnd let's not forget about the Skuld-forsaken drivers that break horribly on SMP kernels.
23:40.51silverpowerWhether the target is an OSX, Win32 or Linux machine.
23:41.57fishheadHAHAHA
23:42.09silverpowerYes, because fucking over your workstation customers is always a bright idea. :grumbles:
23:42.36joe_bleauLet's see if I can tftpboot
23:46.12joe_bleauOne more flood for y'all:
23:46.16joe_bleau=> bootm 400000
23:46.17joe_bleau## Booting image at 00400000 ...
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23:46.21fishheadhahaha
23:46.23fishhead*CANUCKED*
23:46.31silverpowerfishhead: didya find that link?
23:46.35fishheadlooking
23:46.53silverpowerouch, joe_bleau.
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23:55.46silverpowerThat said, I should probably use an es137x card at low volume, and an amp to bring it up, correct?
23:56.03fishheadI have no clue when it comes to sound quality
23:56.11fishheadi mean in terms of that
23:56.17fishheadvolume on output vs amp etc
23:56.28fishheadstill looking for more info
23:58.40fishheadhere is some
23:58.41fishheadEnsoniq ES1370
23:58.41fishhead
23:58.41fishheadAK4531
23:58.41fishhead
23:58.41fishheadPCI
23:58.43fishhead
23:58.43J4k3with analog stuff
23:58.47fishhead1997
23:58.49fishhead
23:58.49J4k3you want the highest SNR you can get
23:58.51fishhead76.3
23:58.53fishhead
23:58.55fishhead0.0073
23:58.57fishhead
23:58.59fishhead0.015
23:58.59J4k3which would most likely be the highest volume you can get before it distorts.
23:59.01fishhead
23:59.03fishhead0.0056
23:59.05fishheadCreative Audigy 2
23:59.07fishhead
23:59.09fishheadCS4382 + STAC9721
23:59.11fishhead
23:59.13fishheadPCI
23:59.14J4k3STAC?!
23:59.17fishhead
23:59.19fishhead2003
23:59.21fishhead
23:59.23J4k3thats a name I haven't heard in a minute
23:59.23fishhead76.3
23:59.25fishhead
23:59.27fishhead0.0016
23:59.29fishhead
23:59.31fishhead0.015
23:59.33fishhead
23:59.35fishhead0.0020
23:59.37fishheadTerraTec Maestro 32/96
23:59.39fishhead
23:59.41fishheadCS4232
23:59.43fishhead
23:59.47fishheadISA
23:59.49fishhead
23:59.51fishhead1996
23:59.53fishhead
23:59.55fishhead76.2
23:59.57fishhead
23:59.59fishhead0.0063

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