| 00:00.01 | fishhead | |
| 00:00.04 | fishhead | 0.016 |
| 00:00.05 | fishhead | |
| 00:00.07 | fishhead | 0.0165 |
| 00:00.09 | fishhead | Creative SB128 |
| 00:00.11 | fishhead | |
| 00:00.13 | fishhead | CT1297 |
| 00:00.17 | fishhead | |
| 00:00.19 | fishhead | PCI |
| 00:00.21 | fishhead | |
| 00:00.23 | fishhead | 1999 |
| 00:00.25 | fishhead | |
| 00:00.27 | fishhead | 73.2 |
| 00:00.29 | fishhead | |
| 00:00.31 | fishhead | 0.0016 |
| 00:00.33 | fishhead | |
| 00:00.35 | fishhead | 0.022 |
| 00:00.38 | fishhead | |
| 00:00.39 | fishhead | 0.0038 |
| 00:00.41 | fishhead | AH FUCK |
| 00:00.43 | *** part/#edev FireEgl (i=Atlantic@Atlantica.US) |
| 00:00.43 | fishhead | http://www.alasir.com/soundbench/ |
| 00:00.49 | fishhead | not that stac |
| 00:00.51 | fishhead | not the compression people afaik |
| 00:03.21 | silverpower | fishhead: I located some posts on the hydrogenaudio boards that basically state that some of the ES137x cards sucked (namely Creative-manufactured models). The main difference between the 1370 and '71 is that the '70 has a 4-channel mixer, while the '71 doesn't. |
| 00:04.04 | fishhead | the 70 also used akm codecs |
| 00:04.10 | fishhead | which I heard people say were better |
| 00:04.11 | silverpower | yeah, that too. |
| 00:05.26 | silverpower | The Creative-manufactured boards are pieces of crap. If you can find an old-school '70, you've got the apex of the line. '71s are pretty good, too, but it's safe to say that the Creative PCB versions suck. |
| 00:05.26 | fishhead | good, now I am go back to planning puff's murder |
| 00:05.27 | fishhead | :P |
| 00:05.39 | fishhead | hehe |
| 00:06.02 | fishhead | I gave away one too :/ |
| 00:06.07 | fishhead | but getting another one in the near future |
| 00:06.10 | fishhead | so I should have 3? |
| 00:06.19 | silverpower | Of course, even the worst '73 is better than the 10k1 chips. |
| 00:06.26 | fishhead | hahaha yeah |
| 00:06.35 | fishhead | see I remeber |
| 00:06.37 | *** join/#edev nafasa (n=gary@cpe-69-204-223-228.stny.res.rr.com) |
| 00:06.38 | fishhead | when pci video card makers |
| 00:06.48 | fishhead | used to pull the same shit creative used for the live |
| 00:06.58 | fishhead | and it caused soudn to break up when you scrolled in netscape etc |
| 00:07.11 | fishhead | pci bus locking abusing |
| 00:07.19 | silverpower | Then the 3D arms race began, and that shit became unacceptable. |
| 00:08.18 | silverpower | Shame there hasn't been a 'consumer 24-bit' arms race, or sound cards wouldn't suck so much. |
| 00:08.30 | fishhead | hehee |
| 00:08.34 | fishhead | I still have my TBSC |
| 00:08.37 | fishhead | going to use it till it dies |
| 00:08.50 | fishhead | 2k drivers are stable and probably going all linux in the future |
| 00:08.54 | silverpower | Ooh! Turtle Beach! They still around? |
| 00:09.03 | fishhead | yes they make cards with via/envy chips now |
| 00:09.10 | fishhead | the santa cruz would beat teven the FRAUDIGY |
| 00:09.18 | fishhead | but faggy cirrus existed the market |
| 00:09.22 | fishhead | and since they made the dsp |
| 00:09.27 | fishhead | santz cruz was doomed |
| 00:09.33 | fishhead | so was hercules game theater xp |
| 00:09.40 | fishhead | and the fortismo |
| 00:10.13 | fishhead | don't even get me started on philips soundcards |
| 00:10.17 | fishhead | thank God i smelled a rat and took it back |
| 00:10.33 | fishhead | fortunitely I think they existed the market anwyys |
| 00:10.36 | fishhead | bunch of crooks |
| 00:10.42 | silverpower | I think this Wikipedia article on Turtle Beach is a tad less than objective. |
| 00:10.49 | fishhead | yeah I really like es13xx series |
| 00:10.52 | fishhead | they just generally work |
| 00:11.06 | fishhead | I loved the yamaha chips too but yamaha left the market |
| 00:11.18 | fishhead | the trident 4dwave was awesome it had a hw wavetable engine |
| 00:11.26 | fishhead | someone even wrote a modplayer hack that used it |
| 00:11.35 | silverpower | Sure, the Catalinas are worse than the Audigy. I have some beachfront property in the Himalayas you might like. :S |
| 00:11.36 | fishhead | it was the only thing trident ever did right |
| 00:12.00 | fishhead | did you use another nick before? |
| 00:12.05 | silverpower | no. |
| 00:12.08 | fishhead | ok |
| 00:12.12 | silverpower | I've used this one since forever. |
| 00:12.17 | fishhead | just checking :) |
| 00:12.24 | silverpower | hehe. |
| 00:12.31 | fishhead | few people I despise on this network |
| 00:13.18 | fishhead | http://www.digit-life.com/articles/santacruzvoyetraturtlebeach/ |
| 00:13.26 | silverpower | I have a personal beef with certain Gentoo devs. Take my advice - some of the ones in -main aren't the friendliest peeps around. |
| 00:14.06 | fishhead | yeah well i've just about hunted down and stragled puff or lorez |
| 00:14.33 | silverpower | (that said, most of them are pretty cool, especially the ones that spend most of their time outside of -main.) |
| 00:14.41 | silverpower | hehe. I know the feeling. |
| 00:14.51 | fishhead | lorez has the cock sucking part of being an oper down perfectely |
| 00:14.54 | fishhead | and the asshole factor |
| 00:15.16 | fishhead | that url gives you all the specs of my car |
| 00:15.19 | fishhead | it's been off 1 yr |
| 00:15.22 | fishhead | my whole duron 1300 has been |
| 00:15.27 | fishhead | cause I couldnt' decide on new cpu fan |
| 00:15.29 | fishhead | i suck |
| 00:15.35 | fishhead | ordering wesnday |
| 00:15.42 | fishhead | soon as the money clears the bank |
| 00:15.52 | fishhead | I really don't want any more on my cc it's around $1200 |
| 00:15.57 | fishhead | I only did the ppc cause I knew they would go |
| 00:16.08 | fishhead | most of my cc is food, car repairs |
| 00:16.11 | fishhead | nothing toys etc |
| 00:16.17 | silverpower | mm. |
| 00:16.29 | fishhead | people keep telling me they wish their cc was that low :P |
| 00:17.13 | fishhead | #elinux is pretty bad too |
| 00:17.16 | fishhead | but some people have come around |
| 00:17.26 | fishhead | kergoth nees one right between the eyes |
| 00:17.52 | fishhead | most of the people in #edev formerlly #pixterdev are cool |
| 00:18.31 | silverpower | heh. edev doesn't seem too busy, aside from our little chat. |
| 00:18.47 | fishhead | oh it gets so at times |
| 00:19.01 | fishhead | wait till you meet prpplague if you have not already |
| 00:19.41 | silverpower | Haven't met him/her yet. |
| 00:19.46 | fishhead | him |
| 00:20.18 | fishhead | man I am a freaking nervous wreck about monday |
| 00:20.26 | silverpower | what about? |
| 00:20.34 | fishhead | job interview sorta |
| 00:21.30 | silverpower | Ah. Ouch. |
| 00:22.12 | fishhead | I been off a year since my last job only lasted for 3 months before I decided it wasn't for me |
| 00:22.13 | fishhead | about time |
| 00:22.14 | fishhead | :P |
| 00:23.45 | silverpower | Ouch. |
| 00:24.11 | fishhead | +na I left on good terms etc |
| 00:24.54 | fishhead | just a bunch of crap in the familyhappen etc and I got stressed out |
| 00:24.54 | fishhead | after |
| 00:30.21 | silverpower | I wonder what my display device'll end up being, though. |
| 00:30.30 | joe_bleau | Whew, that could have been a little easier... |
| 00:30.31 | joe_bleau | BusyBox v0.60.1 (2002.10.24-09:26+0000) Built-in shell (msh) |
| 00:30.31 | joe_bleau | Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. |
| 00:30.38 | fishhead | it booted? |
| 00:30.39 | fishhead | kickass |
| 00:31.05 | silverpower | One cool part about the RX-7 is that it has double-DIN, which is awesome beyond words. |
| 00:31.05 | joe_bleau | Yeah, but I had problems. My nfs machine is openbsd, the example ramdisk is an ext2 filesystem, etc. |
| 00:31.24 | silverpower | joe_bleau: how complete is it? |
| 00:31.27 | fishhead | yeah but it's not a total paper weight |
| 00:31.37 | joe_bleau | What do you mean? |
| 00:31.47 | *** part/#edev nafasa (n=gary@cpe-69-204-223-228.stny.res.rr.com) |
| 00:31.53 | fishhead | chaces are it will work for sure |
| 00:32.17 | silverpower | Is it at the point where all you need is a toolchain to get things going? |
| 00:32.44 | joe_bleau | I don't even have that. I downloaded a kernel and basic userland |
| 00:32.54 | silverpower | Ah. |
| 00:33.02 | silverpower | How about IDE? |
| 00:33.04 | joe_bleau | I already had a machine (sparcstation 2) set for tftp serving and nfs |
| 00:33.35 | joe_bleau | I've got to get a bigger power supply before I attempt to attach an IDE drive |
| 00:33.46 | silverpower | Not enough amps? |
| 00:33.48 | sherbang | what device is this? |
| 00:33.49 | joe_bleau | BTW, there's a 2A glass fuse on board. I don't know where the 3A number came from. |
| 00:34.19 | silverpower | sherbang: the DHT-Walnut board that fishhead found for $20. |
| 00:34.30 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I'm running at 10.1V, so it's a heavy load for my dinky little PS |
| 00:34.56 | fishhead | so 24 amps max |
| 00:34.58 | fishhead | not bad :) |
| 00:35.08 | fishhead | I mean watts |
| 00:35.21 | silverpower | 2x PCI slots, 12v in, ethernet, serial console, and lots of other little toys that make life interesting. |
| 00:35.35 | fishhead | yeah and mabye someday I will actually so something with one |
| 00:35.41 | fishhead | and not chicken out and let it sit 14 yrs |
| 00:35.47 | fishhead | like the epson hx20 I bought |
| 00:35.49 | sherbang | nice |
| 00:36.00 | silverpower | sherbang: I bought two. |
| 00:36.04 | fishhead | sherbang you want the url |
| 00:36.06 | fishhead | if they have some left |
| 00:36.09 | fishhead | bgmicro.com |
| 00:36.11 | fishhead | go to specials |
| 00:36.42 | joe_bleau | I'm still at the busybox prompt, if anyone has any questions... |
| 00:36.53 | sherbang | thanks |
| 00:37.15 | silverpower | Yes, could you look for whether the Promise IDE controller comes up? |
| 00:37.47 | joe_bleau | 526.33 bogoMIPS? |
| 00:38.06 | silverpower | Weird, but not too bad. |
| 00:38.26 | silverpower | For $20, you can't go wrong... :D |
| 00:38.26 | joe_bleau | Yeah, the IDE chip is *not* detected by this kernel |
| 00:39.23 | joe_bleau | It's detecting two async serial ports (as expected), but only one is populated onboard |
| 00:39.48 | silverpower | That means we'd have to modify the board to get the second port? |
| 00:40.23 | joe_bleau | Possibly. I haven't looked at the 405GP datasheet yet. |
| 00:43.24 | fishhead | I saw what looked like via's fat enough that even me with the hands that shake like a crack addict |
| 00:43.31 | fishhead | could solder a serial interface to |
| 00:44.39 | silverpower | fishhead: you had a link to a board scan earlier, care to repost it? :) |
| 00:45.03 | fishhead | if I can find it again |
| 00:45.09 | fishhead | oh I think they updated the wiki with a good scan |
| 00:45.15 | joe_bleau | http://elinux.org/wiki/DHT-Walnut |
| 00:46.55 | fishhead | HAHAHA |
| 00:47.00 | fishhead | the patriot is a freaking awesome movie |
| 00:47.06 | fishhead | WE AMBUSHED THEIR ASS |
| 00:47.07 | fishhead | HAHAHAH |
| 00:47.18 | silverpower | joe_bleau: thanks! |
| 00:47.25 | fishhead | yeah thx joe |
| 00:47.39 | joe_bleau | Anything else before I power down and get back to work? |
| 00:48.08 | silverpower | joe_bleau: nothing off-hand. |
| 00:48.21 | fishhead | na you have done plenty |
| 00:48.22 | fishhead | thx man |
| 00:48.30 | fishhead | course ups will probably run over mine or something |
| 00:48.33 | fishhead | but I can still hope |
| 00:48.49 | silverpower | I'd be willing to attempt whipping up a 2.6 kernel for you to try out. Should have it done by tomorrow, mmkay? :) |
| 00:48.57 | fishhead | cool |
| 00:49.00 | fishhead | once I have the device |
| 00:49.07 | fishhead | I should get you to help me fix my palm |
| 00:49.15 | fishhead | all it has to do is boot linux or palm os just once from ram |
| 00:49.18 | fishhead | and I can repair the flash |
| 00:49.34 | fishhead | my old palm I mean |
| 00:49.51 | fishhead | I have to get new lcd for it too, actually I have a lcd and a touchpad but the touchpad flex pcb is gone |
| 00:49.58 | fishhead | but I can at least see if it;s alive |
| 00:50.03 | fishhead | and send it commands from debug console |
| 00:51.12 | fishhead | webpal to flash to linux all I need is a dial up and point it to the webpage that a guy setup with a flash image it can load from it's browser |
| 00:51.24 | fishhead | they finally cracked the code the origional os uses for web updates |
| 00:51.41 | silverpower | joe_bleau: what sort of PC cards do you have lying around to test with? (that way, I can attempt to whip up an image you can play with and we can ask about...) |
| 00:51.49 | fishhead | HAHAHA |
| 00:51.57 | fishhead | silver you haven't seen my collection yet have you ? |
| 00:51.58 | fishhead | :P |
| 00:52.01 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I remember hearing about that. I was never happy with the flash burn in the old days...no crc or checksum, so it could fail and leave you with a brick |
| 00:52.25 | fishhead | you mean with palm ? |
| 00:52.27 | fishhead | or my webpal |
| 00:52.58 | joe_bleau | If I take down my main PC, I can scare up some sort of HP GPIB card, a Soundblaster, and I think I have a Matrox video card somewhere |
| 00:53.06 | fishhead | that's what killed my IIIxe |
| 00:53.08 | *** join/#edev Plazma (n=nick@unaffiliated/plazma) |
| 00:53.13 | *** part/#edev Plazma (n=nick@unaffiliated/plazma) |
| 00:53.14 | fishhead | died in the middle of a flash for no reason |
| 00:53.16 | joe_bleau | Oh, I've got the included firewire card, and maybe a USB bard |
| 00:53.31 | fishhead | OH |
| 00:53.32 | joe_bleau | In other words; not much of value for this hack. |
| 00:53.39 | fishhead | I KNEW THERE WAS A REASON TO SAVE THAT USB 1.1 CARD |
| 00:53.40 | fishhead | YES |
| 00:53.46 | silverpower | haha. |
| 00:53.55 | joe_bleau | precisely |
| 00:54.28 | fishhead | na most of them would eat most of the cpu |
| 00:54.38 | fishhead | but mabye |
| 00:55.01 | joe_bleau | Oh, I've got a SCSI card around here too |
| 00:55.14 | fishhead | omg I totally forgot that |
| 00:55.22 | silverpower | fishhead: well, I need three things - free serial ports, video and a sound card. |
| 00:55.23 | fishhead | the french helped us kicked the british's ass |
| 00:55.29 | silverpower | heh. |
| 00:55.33 | joe_bleau | Next week I can borrow a ne2k... |
| 00:55.37 | fishhead | video I can supplly |
| 00:55.39 | fishhead | UHH |
| 00:55.57 | fishhead | THOU SHALL NOT USE THE ASSHOLE OF THE NIC INDUSTRY THE NE2000 |
| 00:56.14 | fishhead | unless it's for a webpal or something with only pio :P |
| 00:56.14 | silverpower | joe_bleau: the onboard interface is about ten billion times better. |
| 00:56.34 | joe_bleau | Just giving you the list man |
| 00:56.43 | silverpower | relax, I know. |
| 00:57.37 | joe_bleau | I think they meant for this to boot from a disk, as the env includes: |
| 00:57.44 | silverpower | Hmm, maybe with using a Palm and VT100 emulator, I can set up a decent control interface. ALL HAIL RS232, for it truly owns us all. |
| 00:57.45 | joe_bleau | bootargs=root=/dev/hda1 |
| 00:57.45 | joe_bleau | bootcmd=diskboot 100000 0 ; bootm |
| 00:57.45 | joe_bleau | bootargs=root=/dev/hda1 |
| 00:57.45 | joe_bleau | bootcmd=diskboot 100000 0 ; bootm |
| 00:57.54 | silverpower | joe_bleau: makes sense. |
| 00:58.23 | joe_bleau | All in all, I'm not disappointed for $20/each. Not one bit. |
| 00:58.43 | silverpower | heh. |
| 00:59.02 | joe_bleau | It would be nice to know what the memory upgrade options are. |
| 00:59.19 | silverpower | RS232 is truly the most brilliant bit of ware I've ever played with. |
| 01:00.07 | fishhead | yep |
| 01:00.20 | fishhead | silver |
| 01:00.24 | fishhead | juicebox :) |
| 01:00.41 | fishhead | I want to merge one with my webpal |
| 01:00.45 | fishhead | and mabye one with the ppc board |
| 01:00.59 | silverpower | Oh, as a control interface? |
| 01:01.02 | silverpower | There's a thought. |
| 01:03.48 | fishhead | well it only has 5 buttons :/ |
| 01:04.07 | fishhead | but mabye you could use the rs232 and sio port if you didn't need the sio for a cartridge |
| 01:04.17 | fishhead | you can use the rs232 even if you use a cart |
| 01:04.25 | fishhead | just need a max3232 |
| 01:04.28 | fishhead | 3.3 to rs232 |
| 01:04.39 | fishhead | here lemme give you the pcb pics and hack pics |
| 01:04.59 | fishhead | but yeah a old palm or a old dos laptop or old dos pda |
| 01:05.02 | fishhead | woul dbe perfect |
| 01:05.03 | fishhead | also |
| 01:05.14 | *** join/#edev J4k3 (i=j4k3@dhcp-12-197-128-55.intrastar.net) |
| 01:05.18 | fishhead | http://www.elinux.org/wiki/JuiceBox |
| 01:05.25 | fishhead | j4k3 btw it's 24 watts max not 36 |
| 01:05.36 | fishhead | and we did get it to boot |
| 01:05.39 | J4k3 | awesome! |
| 01:05.49 | fishhead | dsome issues like it's not finding the promise ide but that's fixable |
| 01:06.00 | J4k3 | 24 watts max... but at what inputs? with 26xx-based I'd assume up to 30V |
| 01:06.06 | J4k3 | at least 30V, maybe 45V |
| 01:06.23 | joe_bleau | The 12V drive power is connected to the DC input |
| 01:06.24 | fishhead | depend son the ratings of the caps and coils |
| 01:06.34 | J4k3 | yeah |
| 01:06.37 | fishhead | oh so you gotta use straight 12 |
| 01:06.41 | fishhead | that's still not bad |
| 01:06.45 | joe_bleau | 16V caps |
| 01:06.55 | J4k3 | ahh.. thats ok |
| 01:07.06 | J4k3 | I have a pile of 12v / 1.67A switching wall warts |
| 01:07.12 | fishhead | j4k3 you could make a switcher the size of a postage stamp probably |
| 01:07.14 | fishhead | to convert 30 to 12 |
| 01:07.17 | J4k3 | my accessory load won't dicatate the need for more. |
| 01:07.22 | J4k3 | fishhead: yep |
| 01:07.29 | J4k3 | well, I don't plan to use them in PoE situations |
| 01:07.35 | fishhead | silver |
| 01:07.38 | fishhead | I didn't think of this but |
| 01:07.43 | fishhead | the buttons are just 5 gpio pins |
| 01:07.50 | fishhead | you could probably drive a keyboard off one even |
| 01:07.58 | fishhead | sorry I am still learning :) |
| 01:08.27 | silverpower | waitaminute! does this board have any GPIO pins? |
| 01:09.08 | fishhead | I think |
| 01:09.11 | fishhead | the juicebox I mean |
| 01:09.24 | fishhead | # |
| 01:09.25 | fishhead | Keypad: the keys are connected to port G, pins 0-4. |
| 01:09.25 | fishhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.25 | fishhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.25 | fishhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.25 | fishhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.27 | fishhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.29 | fishhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.31 | fishhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.34 | fishhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.35 | fishhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.39 | fishhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.52 | silverpower | The problem with using the JuiceBox as a frontend is that this is being set up for a carputer. |
| 01:11.07 | fishhead | plus the cpu is there sometimes in glob, sometimes in qfp |
| 01:11.15 | fishhead | but I think you can still get at all the pins |
| 01:11.34 | fishhead | here |
| 01:11.35 | fishhead | http://www.elinux.org/wiki/JuiceBoxHardware |
| 01:12.14 | fishhead | the samsung soc based on arm7tdmi is pretty nice |
| 01:12.59 | silverpower | mm. I wonder if it can drive a different screen? |
| 01:13.29 | silverpower | Because the JuiceBox probably won't be readable in these conditions. |
| 01:13.53 | fishhead | yeah it's not the greatest lcd bro |
| 01:14.32 | silverpower | Good enough to hack together some interesting stuff, but it's not meant for this app by a long shot. |
| 01:14.55 | fishhead | sorry |
| 01:15.14 | fishhead | I might end up turning some into basically crystal fonts/matrix orbital emulators |
| 01:15.30 | fishhead | replace the rom with like a 512kb just a terminal os |
| 01:15.32 | fishhead | no real os |
| 01:15.50 | fishhead | cause I heard 8 meg tsop nor are like $25 each |
| 01:16.06 | fishhead | considering my soldering skills etc |
| 01:16.07 | fishhead | UHH NO |
| 01:16.14 | fishhead | btw the jb has jrag too |
| 01:16.18 | fishhead | jtag |
| 01:17.20 | fishhead | yeah an old palm or something might be perfect though |
| 01:17.25 | fishhead | espically since it has a touchpad |
| 01:17.38 | fishhead | hell I should give up the pieces of this royal davinci I got ripped off on |
| 01:17.39 | fishhead | $30 |
| 01:17.50 | fishhead | turns out it's the non palm os clone model |
| 01:17.52 | *** join/#edev p-crat (n=p-crat@lns-bzn-45-82-65-147-74.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 01:17.53 | fishhead | so I can't get any apps |
| 01:17.55 | fishhead | no os change |
| 01:17.56 | fishhead | nothing |
| 01:18.19 | fishhead | I should send someone here the os rom image |
| 01:18.23 | fishhead | find out wtf the cpu is at least |
| 01:18.40 | silverpower | Problem with using a Palm is that I really wanted to use a 7" LCD. |
| 01:18.45 | silverpower | Hence the video card. |
| 01:19.03 | fishhead | # |
| 01:19.03 | fishhead | Model Number: GPM425A0 |
| 01:19.03 | fishhead | # |
| 01:19.03 | fishhead | 240 horizontal |
| 01:19.03 | fishhead | # |
| 01:19.04 | fishhead | 160 vertical |
| 01:19.06 | fishhead | # |
| 01:19.08 | fishhead | 4096 color |
| 01:19.14 | silverpower | The sound card is self-explanatory, and consumes my other PCI slot. |
| 01:19.20 | silverpower | Not good enough. |
| 01:19.30 | silverpower | Too small to read in-car. |
| 01:19.58 | silverpower | Of course, that leaves me without a way to put in the remote and the wired controls. |
| 01:20.36 | fishhead | coiurse |
| 01:20.51 | fishhead | you could probably take a palm lcd and digitizer and tap it to board somehow |
| 01:21.48 | sherbang | use 2 of the boards and network them? :) |
| 01:22.06 | silverpower | sherbang: tempting, but wasteful. |
| 01:22.16 | sherbang | yeah, easy way out though |
| 01:24.00 | fishhead | mabye I wil use these 4 socket 5/7 boards I put in a scrapped box to try desoldering the flash roms |
| 01:24.03 | silverpower | Oh, and let's not forget the 4x20 LCD I bought to place with my gauges. Or a keyboard to maintain the bloody thing/connect to the internet with when I'm stopped. |
| 01:24.16 | fishhead | I am being told I can use a heat gun after all |
| 01:24.21 | fishhead | and I thought of any idea |
| 01:24.30 | silverpower | I need serial ports. LOTS of serial ports. |
| 01:24.31 | fishhead | using mica pieces to protect stuff around the board |
| 01:24.42 | fishhead | why does it have to be series |
| 01:24.44 | fishhead | serial |
| 01:24.47 | fishhead | use a parallel port |
| 01:24.51 | fishhead | 8 i/o directely |
| 01:25.14 | fishhead | plus you can fiddle with the control and status pins to get a a few more inputs and a few outputs |
| 01:25.42 | fishhead | yeah yeah I know serial is dirt simple and dirt cheap and I agree |
| 01:26.01 | fishhead | btw you can use 1 parallel port to drive like 7 lcd's |
| 01:26.08 | fishhead | they all share the same pins except one |
| 01:26.11 | fishhead | the enable pin |
| 01:26.24 | fishhead | each lcd's enable pin gets a sepate pin on the parallel port |
| 01:26.32 | fishhead | I guess it's like chip select :P |
| 01:27.17 | silverpower | And build some serial-to-parallel converters to get all the various control interfaces, then convert back to virtual serial ports? There's a thought. |
| 01:27.25 | fishhead | ooo |
| 01:28.15 | silverpower | waitaminute! I don't even NEED the video card! |
| 01:28.24 | silverpower | I just need a terminal emulator! |
| 01:28.30 | fishhead | palm :P |
| 01:29.25 | silverpower | So just mount the Palm on the dash, and use that for a terminal emulator and GPS system. I like this plan already... |
| 01:30.18 | fishhead | you need color ? |
| 01:30.37 | silverpower | I want it, that'd be nice, but I don't absolutely NEED it. |
| 01:31.01 | fishhead | old ppc might be better and cheaper |
| 01:31.03 | fishhead | than a palm |
| 01:31.42 | silverpower | I just need the LCD, that's it. |
| 01:31.56 | fishhead | oh |
| 01:32.08 | fishhead | won't that eat too many i/o's off the ppc |
| 01:32.24 | silverpower | Well, I can use a multi-serial-port card. |
| 01:32.43 | fishhead | true |
| 01:33.00 | silverpower | (or a USB card... but I LIKE RS232, DAMMIT, it's easier to work with in just about every respect!) |
| 01:33.03 | sherbang | usb card, then do serial dongles. then you can plug a real keyboard into a usb port as well. |
| 01:33.07 | J4k3 | I wonder when bgmicro is gonna ship my order |
| 01:33.10 | J4k3 | :| |
| 01:33.18 | fishhead | sher is right |
| 01:33.21 | fishhead | he's damn right |
| 01:33.28 | fishhead | you could hub split the canuck out of a usb port |
| 01:33.30 | fishhead | for low speed |
| 01:33.54 | J4k3 | its got two PCI slots, drop in multiple controllers |
| 01:34.01 | silverpower | That, and I can use it to mount USB Mass Storage devices temporarily. |
| 01:34.02 | J4k3 | put your USB1.1 crap on one, USB2 crap on the oter |
| 01:34.04 | J4k3 | er other |
| 01:34.12 | fishhead | yeah true |
| 01:34.17 | fishhead | nec 4 port usb 2.0 pci |
| 01:34.18 | silverpower | J4k3: I need one slot for a sound card. |
| 01:34.19 | J4k3 | USB 1.1 PCI controllers are like $1. |
| 01:34.20 | fishhead | $20 |
| 01:34.25 | fishhead | WTF |
| 01:34.26 | fishhead | WHERE |
| 01:34.27 | J4k3 | silverpower: go USB, easier to get a good SNR. |
| 01:34.47 | fishhead | silver |
| 01:34.48 | fishhead | I been told |
| 01:34.49 | J4k3 | fishhead: actually, about $5 |
| 01:34.56 | fishhead | most usb to serial adaptors |
| 01:34.59 | fishhead | and the parallel ones |
| 01:35.04 | fishhead | once linux loads the driver |
| 01:35.11 | fishhead | as far as any app is convcerned |
| 01:35.15 | fishhead | it's /dev/tty |
| 01:35.19 | fishhead | and /dev/lpx |
| 01:35.19 | J4k3 | yep |
| 01:35.23 | silverpower | WICKED. |
| 01:35.25 | J4k3 | its not 'gimped' like windows. |
| 01:35.44 | fishhead | silver the only catch is to make sure you get ones with a known supported chip |
| 01:35.46 | fishhead | as for your usb controller |
| 01:35.49 | fishhead | for 1.1 or 2.0 |
| 01:35.50 | fishhead | get these |
| 01:35.52 | fishhead | nec |
| 01:35.55 | fishhead | agere |
| 01:35.58 | fishhead | aguilent |
| 01:36.00 | fishhead | hp |
| 01:36.02 | fishhead | lucent |
| 01:36.13 | J4k3 | nec-based are easy to find |
| 01:36.18 | fishhead | actually the last 4, 2 are renames of the other 2 |
| 01:36.22 | J4k3 | heh, my WGT634U's have NEC's... they work. |
| 01:36.26 | fishhead | DO NOT GET VIA OR ALI OR SIS USB |
| 01:36.42 | J4k3 | haha via USB |
| 01:36.50 | J4k3 | via can't even figure out how to do USB properly in their south bridge |
| 01:36.54 | J4k3 | why would anyone buy their card?! |
| 01:36.58 | silverpower | So, just pick up a NEC-chipset 4-port USB2 card and have fun. |
| 01:37.00 | fishhead | only way to use via usb is if it's built into the chipset on a mb |
| 01:37.04 | J4k3 | silverpower: yep |
| 01:38.09 | fishhead | TI I think is the best for firewire |
| 01:38.12 | fishhead | oh btw silver |
| 01:38.15 | fishhead | you can get cards with both |
| 01:39.03 | silverpower | fishhead: VIA does a pretty good job with their Mini-ITX boards, but they can't design a north/southbridge to save their lives. |
| 01:39.14 | fishhead | na their newer chipsets are ok |
| 01:39.25 | fishhead | but I wouldn't press my luck and get anything external with thier chips |
| 01:40.46 | silverpower | Is there a FW->USB1/2 bridge? |
| 01:40.53 | fishhead | don't think so |
| 01:41.01 | fishhead | but they have usb to pci bridges now |
| 01:41.04 | fishhead | usb to isa |
| 01:41.09 | fishhead | usb to ide |
| 01:41.12 | fishhead | usb to vga |
| 01:42.12 | silverpower | heh. |
| 01:42.37 | fishhead | this is one of my favorite episodes of star trek next gen |
| 01:42.40 | fishhead | the one with the shelliac |
| 01:42.50 | fishhead | picard engages "total asshole mode" at the end |
| 01:42.53 | fishhead | and it's just damn cool |
| 01:43.06 | fishhead | you ever see this one j4k3 ? |
| 01:44.37 | J4k3 | this is #edev, not #tv |
| 01:45.08 | fishhead | oh calm down this channel is looser than your mom |
| 01:45.55 | silverpower | Let's see - one for the dash LCD, one for the Palm, one for the GPS, one for the remote...damn, this shit adds up quick! |
| 01:46.33 | J4k3 | fishhead: thats obvious, my mom banned you already ;) |
| 01:47.32 | fishhead | silver I think the usb to serial are like $10 now |
| 01:47.36 | fishhead | possibly cheaper |
| 01:47.38 | fishhead | dude |
| 01:47.40 | fishhead | energy drinks :) |
| 01:48.04 | silverpower | Expensive and nasty. (aside from Red Bull) |
| 01:48.12 | fishhead | full throttle > red bull |
| 01:50.56 | fishhead | damn found more sdram |
| 01:51.01 | silverpower | Mountain Dew still owns my soul. |
| 01:51.17 | fishhead | but full throttle owns your "CANUCK" |
| 01:51.50 | silverpower | heh. |
| 01:52.15 | silverpower | anyway, I need a total of five or six serial ports to do all this. Yeesh. |
| 01:52.35 | fishhead | wonder if you can get a bank device |
| 01:52.49 | silverpower | Yeah, that would be awesome. |
| 01:52.54 | fishhead | lemme check |
| 01:54.11 | fishhead | actuslly |
| 01:54.26 | fishhead | why don't you just get a block blank of i/o off a pci card |
| 01:55.26 | fishhead | http://www.dontronics.com/ |
| 01:55.27 | fishhead | wow |
| 01:55.37 | fishhead | oh |
| 01:55.41 | fishhead | usb to 24 i/o ttl signals |
| 01:58.04 | J4k3 | the only issue with usb |
| 01:58.08 | J4k3 | is latency |
| 01:58.27 | J4k3 | like 20ms worth iirc. |
| 01:59.00 | fishhead | http://www.dontronics.com/micro-vga.html |
| 01:59.02 | fishhead | damn |
| 01:59.10 | fishhead | yeah tll's swing is slow |
| 01:59.12 | fishhead | so I think that's ok |
| 01:59.54 | silverpower | ...I salute your google-fu. |
| 02:00.04 | fishhead | yeah I been a google masta for ages |
| 02:00.18 | fishhead | how do you think I learned all this stuff |
| 02:00.19 | fishhead | :P |
| 02:00.28 | J4k3 | I learned it by watching you, dad! |
| 02:00.29 | silverpower | I'm merely competent at google. |
| 02:00.45 | fishhead | -i still can't find the commercial clip i am looking for though |
| 02:00.46 | fishhead | :( |
| 02:00.54 | fishhead | tried for hrs |
| 02:01.40 | fishhead | is there anything better than mica |
| 02:01.50 | fishhead | for heat shielding when hitting a board with a 1000F heat gun |
| 02:05.16 | silverpower | Okay, I found a USB->VGA adapter. It's pretty awesome. |
| 02:05.32 | silverpower | Maybe I can develop a pseudo-fb for it... :D |
| 02:06.49 | fishhead | WHY THE HELL DID THEY USE A TSOP-48 FLASH PACKAGE ON A OLD SOCKET7 430VX CHIPSET MOTHERBOARD |
| 02:06.59 | fishhead | ESPICALLY WHEN IT ALSO HAS PLCC VIA'S |
| 02:07.06 | silverpower | ...yeesh. |
| 02:07.08 | fishhead | THAT'S LIKE SOMEONE BUYING ME A PACK OF CONDUMS |
| 02:07.12 | fishhead | WHAT'S THE POINT |
| 02:07.13 | J4k3 | dude |
| 02:07.17 | J4k3 | crackpipe, down. |
| 02:07.33 | fishhead | na I am just going slowly insane thinking about monday |
| 02:07.35 | silverpower | J4k3: bwahahaha! |
| 02:08.04 | fishhead | hmm |
| 02:08.09 | fishhead | I have like 40 vga cards |
| 02:08.20 | fishhead | wonder how many crappy ones have a flash chip I can salvage |
| 02:08.36 | fishhead | silver did you ever see that hack for linux |
| 02:08.42 | fishhead | can use video mem on a video card as a ramdisk |
| 02:10.05 | fishhead | anyone need any btw? |
| 02:12.06 | beeble | wohho, london is much to hard for me ;) |
| 02:12.23 | beeble | the bartenders dosent understand that i want to give them a tip |
| 02:12.55 | beeble | and so i dont pay them 3 pounds for one guinness, but instead i got 3 pints ;) |
| 02:16.52 | fishhead | I swear I am going to have my friend down all of freenode |
| 02:16.57 | fishhead | just to spite rez |
| 02:19.20 | beeble | eek, its late. so n8 |
| 02:20.32 | fishhead | na I like too many people on thi snetwork |
| 02:20.42 | fishhead | despite the assholes with a god complex |
| 02:35.50 | J4k3 | fire up the preperation H torpedos |
| 02:42.12 | silverpower | Man, this Micro-VGA stuff is awesome. |
| 02:52.22 | fishhead | heh |
| 02:52.26 | fishhead | see |
| 02:52.32 | fishhead | i am like the dude on seamee stree |
| 02:52.34 | fishhead | with the long coat |
| 02:52.35 | fishhead | muhahaha |
| 02:53.44 | fishhead | OMG IS THAT GAY |
| 02:53.53 | fishhead | they just showed commercial for new tv show |
| 02:53.56 | fishhead | 2 famiies |
| 02:54.11 | fishhead | they "michael jacksoned" them |
| 02:54.18 | fishhead | turn the black family white |
| 02:54.21 | fishhead | and the white black |
| 02:56.56 | fishhead | holy shit? |
| 02:56.57 | fishhead | The microVGA was designed to provide an extremely versatile and simple interface to any embedded host controller. Even the small 8pin micros can now have VGA capability. Having said that with that simplicity comes certain limitations. There just isnt enough bandwith available on the serial link and command execution overheads will not allow 60 frames per second with full screen updates. To have this sort of capability the host needs it's data and a |
| 02:56.57 | fishhead | ddress bus directly interfaced to the video memory, add some DMA and interrupts then we're looking at a full blown VGA card. This defeats the purpose of the microVGA. |
| 02:57.47 | fishhead | that's still damn cool |
| 02:58.13 | fishhead | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 02:58.16 | silverpower | The mk2 version will have some new features, especially lots of video memory. You could whip up a serial console that looks like a tinted bootsplash console, outputted to VGA. |
| 02:58.16 | fishhead | IT WORKS WITH RS232 |
| 03:10.08 | fishhead | silver |
| 03:10.09 | fishhead | http://www.altex.com/product_info.php?cPath=24_135&products_id=4731 |
| 03:12.12 | silverpower | (can't cut and paste - mind telling me?) |
| 03:13.01 | fishhead | someon sent link to commercial usb 2.0 to vga adaptor |
| 03:13.06 | fishhead | claimed the other one didn't have style |
| 03:13.07 | fishhead | bah |
| 03:17.58 | silverpower | fishhead: this is pathetic. No specs at all. |
| 03:18.23 | fishhead | yteah I know |
| 03:18.30 | fishhead | they are still bad talking me in #openwrt |
| 03:18.39 | fishhead | "oh your router doesn't have usb 2.0?" |
| 03:18.46 | silverpower | what'd you SAY to them?! |
| 03:18.54 | fishhead | I don't plan to have either |
| 03:18.56 | fishhead | I got a ppc board |
| 03:20.47 | fishhead | rez is spazzing at me now |
| 03:20.48 | fishhead | hahaha |
| 03:20.58 | fishhead | cause I play that faggot at his own game |
| 03:21.01 | fishhead | and he can't stand it |
| 03:21.26 | fishhead | wouldn't help |
| 03:21.34 | fishhead | I put up with too much of his bullshit over the yrs |
| 03:21.44 | J4k3 | I'm sure he could say the same the other way around |
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| 03:24.58 | Pablo | dude |
| 03:25.04 | Pablo | I am watching a show about china |
| 03:25.14 | Pablo | and they were showing a motorcycle factory |
| 03:25.31 | Pablo | they roll off a new bike every 42 seconds |
| 03:25.35 | Pablo | :O |
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| 15:48.40 | joe_bleau | GPSFan: booted a DHT-Walnut last night, using the generic DENX stuff linked from the Stanford site |
| 16:00.27 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: great, I have been working on the bootloader, slow, but some progress. |
| 16:00.48 | joe_bleau | I read through the logs last night...how did you hose your flash? |
| 16:02.22 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.25 | jbevren | O.o |
| 16:02.35 | jbevren | why cant p4's lol |
| 16:02.38 | GPSFan | I erased and wrote some data to the 0xffff0000 segment. that wiped out the cold start jump at 0xfffffffc. I was able to recover though. |
| 16:02.52 | joe_bleau | Real silicon, or on a *simulated* process? |
| 16:03.17 | jbevren | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS7342732311.html |
| 16:03.26 | jbevren | physical IP simulated arm11 core |
| 16:03.50 | jbevren | lol 'expects to clock above 750mhz' |
| 16:03.58 | jbevren | GPSFan: how goes the walnut? |
| 16:04.09 | jbevren | I stopped by the pharmacy and got some KY jelly |
| 16:04.14 | jbevren | then went to best buy and got a usb card |
| 16:04.15 | jbevren | :) |
| 16:04.47 | jbevren | their combo card is $75 bucks.. you can get em for $20 |
| 16:04.50 | jbevren | man.. |
| 16:04.51 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:04.56 | jbevren | I got a 2port card |
| 16:05.04 | GPSFan | jbevren: it's a tough nut ;>) I have been able to re-compile ppcboot 1.12 relocated to 0xfffc0000, it partially runs. |
| 16:05.56 | jbevren | ah, progress.. heh |
| 16:06.02 | jbevren | how are you loading it? |
| 16:06.10 | GPSFan | I'm in the midst of debugging now. trying to figure out if the OCD Commander hardware breakpoint command is broken or not. |
| 16:06.49 | joe_bleau | Yeah, hbr doesn't work on all chips. |
| 16:07.09 | jbevren | hm |
| 16:07.11 | jbevren | curious |
| 16:07.19 | GPSFan | i load the file through the serial port with the loadb command. then flash it to 0xfffc0000. |
| 16:07.45 | joe_bleau | the kernel dmesg mentions a section for 'env'...does that jive with the ppcboot environment? |
| 16:07.46 | GPSFan | the software breakpoints work, but not out of rom. |
| 16:08.11 | joe_bleau | Does the 405 even support hardware breakpoints? |
| 16:08.18 | jbevren | ah, so enough is running that you can get a ppcboot prompt or? |
| 16:08.35 | jbevren | joe_bleau: even the 6502 from 1974 has a BRK command |
| 16:08.36 | jbevren | oh wait |
| 16:08.41 | GPSFan | ppcboot configured for the walnut has the env in nvram, which our board doesn't have. |
| 16:08.43 | jbevren | that's software (slaps forehead) |
| 16:09.06 | jbevren | GPSFan: so going to use a 64k chunk of the flash to store env? |
| 16:09.15 | jbevren | iirc sectors are 64k |
| 16:09.39 | joe_bleau | jbreven: doesn't matter, if you're debugging from rom. I'm talking about a hardware breakpoint, not a halt instruction. |
| 16:09.44 | GPSFan | not yer, the new version starts sizes the dimm, relocates itself to ram, then goes off to try and figure out the flash size and hangs. |
| 16:09.58 | jbevren | ah |
| 16:10.10 | GPSFan | jbevren: yes, I plan to enable environment in flash. |
| 16:10.11 | jbevren | joe_bleau: yeah, I caugt that after I said so :) |
| 16:10.27 | jbevren | joe_bleau: that's where (on the 6502) NMI generators come in, but I digress |
| 16:10.41 | jbevren | GPSFan: Cool |
| 16:11.56 | joe_bleau | Is it an exception thing? My (very old) Singlestep book mentions ppc jtag chips don't support redirection, so you can't effectively debug from rom. |
| 16:12.13 | joe_bleau | Now I can't tell from the context if that's a singlestep limitation, or a PPC hardware limitation. |
| 16:12.15 | GPSFan | but first I need to get the new ppcboot to run from fffc0000. I tried to get it to run from ram, but there are problems like the ram goes away when ppcboot resets all the dimm settings. |
| 16:12.37 | joe_bleau | I think there's 4k onchip... |
| 16:14.01 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: I going to put a spin stop in the code just after it finishes relocating itself to ram, then I'll be able to single step and breakpoint out of ram. |
| 16:14.10 | joe_bleau | Do you have a user's manual for the 405? I just found some info on how to manually set a hardware breakpoint on the 403 |
| 16:14.32 | GPSFan | yeah I do, I'll go look.. |
| 16:14.59 | joe_bleau | Look for the Debug Control Register and the Data Access Compare 1 register. |
| 16:15.08 | joe_bleau | (Section 9 in the '403 manual) |
| 16:16.26 | jbevren | joe_bleau: This comes from my work on a c64, where you can pull two lines on the memory epxansion port to disable the internal roms :) |
| 16:17.23 | jbevren | GPSFan: Oh, on the pc100 dimms, the system froze right after sizing and setting the dimms up (I presume after copying itself to ram) |
| 16:17.38 | jbevren | did you figure out for certain what the ram frequency is? |
| 16:18.05 | joe_bleau | OK, just found a 405 user's manual off some kid's website |
| 16:19.18 | GPSFan | jbevren: I think it's 66 from the resistor stuffing, but I don't know how it works in the chip, it may just be a initial condition, then the ppcboot reads the dimms eeprom and is supposed to set up things to match what the dimm can do. |
| 16:19.44 | jbevren | ah right |
| 16:19.50 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: I can't find any reference to a Debug Control Register. |
| 16:19.54 | jbevren | so you stuff the resistors and hope ppcboot follows? :) |
| 16:20.32 | jbevren | lol my terminals too wide for pine |
| 16:20.48 | joe_bleau | Chapter 8 |
| 16:21.02 | joe_bleau | DBCR0 and DBCR1? |
| 16:21.32 | joe_bleau | I just brought up OCD to see if it allows access, or maybe they're memory mapped registers? |
| 16:22.24 | GPSFan | jo I may not have that spec, url? |
| 16:22.50 | joe_bleau | http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~tlan/dreambox/IBM_PPC405-Embedded_Processor_Core-UsersManual.pdf |
| 16:23.20 | GPSFan | thanks, dl'ing now. |
| 16:23.56 | joe_bleau | You can access them with the mtspr instruction, but I have no clue if OCD makes it any easier |
| 16:25.40 | joe_bleau | Looks like spr just dumps 0-31, but those aren't very interesting |
| 16:28.09 | joe_bleau | Worst case, you could hand assemble some code to load the debug registers and stuff it into the on chip sram. |
| 16:28.21 | joe_bleau | Set PC, load registers, then call the routine. |
| 16:28.29 | joe_bleau | Kind of a diy hardware breakpoint. |
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| 16:30.24 | GPSFan | re |
| 16:31.14 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: so for hardware breakpoints to work the processor needs to be in external debug mode (?) does OCD Cammander know how to do this or do I have to set the reg's ? |
| 16:31.35 | joe_bleau | I would assume that it has to set external mode to use JTAG at all. |
| 16:31.48 | joe_bleau | If you can figure out how to read the reg, you'd know for sure. |
| 16:31.57 | joe_bleau | (I'm not set for JTAG just yet.) |
| 16:32.08 | GPSFan | hmm |
| 16:32.27 | joe_bleau | Can you halt the CPU from OCD? |
| 16:32.34 | joe_bleau | If so, I'd say you're in external debug mode |
| 16:33.18 | GPSFan | I'll poke at it some more, thanks for the datasheet , I had a shortform from AMCC that didn't do into a whole lot of detail. |
| 16:33.55 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I know. I'll see about getting a real 405GP datasheet. But if I do score one, I may not be able to make it 'public', if you know what I mean and I think you do... |
| 16:35.39 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 16:37.34 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: I downloaded the IBM pek for the 405 yesterday, just looked through it, and there is a recent version of the datasheet you just showed me and a bunch of other stuff too. |
| 16:37.54 | joe_bleau | Well, out with the linkage! |
| 16:38.13 | joe_bleau | I just registered at AMCC, let's see if that opens any doors. |
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| 18:49.44 | fishhead | guys |
| 18:50.38 | fishhead | <jbevren> I stopped by the pharmacy and got some KY jelly |
| 18:50.38 | fishhead | <jbevren> then went to best buy and got a usb card |
| 18:50.58 | fishhead | please |
| 18:51.02 | fishhead | we dont want to know |
| 19:19.24 | Pablo | m00 |
| 19:19.38 | J4k3 | haha |
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| 19:20.55 | fishhead | hehe |
| 19:21.13 | fishhead | damn I need a cheap source of mica |
| 19:21.23 | fishhead | and I don't really want to dig thru trash for dead hair dryers or heaters |
| 19:25.37 | Pablo | J4k3 made me but a laptop yesterday and fishhead made me buy some 4 silly boards that I dont need |
| 19:25.39 | Pablo | :P |
| 19:26.00 | Pablo | stop pasting links and talking about hardware |
| 19:26.01 | Pablo | kthx |
| 19:26.16 | fishhead | oh bite my canuck |
| 19:26.41 | Pablo | I am not sure what your canuck is |
| 19:26.47 | Pablo | so I wont be biting it |
| 19:28.18 | fishhead | I haven't worked in 3 yrs but I bought one anyways |
| 19:28.27 | fishhead | for $20 you can get 3x that out of it in productivity |
| 19:28.31 | fishhead | easily I guarantee |
| 19:28.52 | Pablo | easy fishhead ... I am just playin with ya |
| 19:28.52 | fishhead | I bought 2 used laptop recentely also |
| 19:29.19 | Pablo | I am ready to play with em ;) |
| 19:29.23 | fishhead | $50 each PII 300, 144 meg ram, 6.4 gig hd, 13 inch tft, 2 meg video 1024x768x16bpp max res, sound, dvd-rom |
| 19:29.28 | fishhead | the only problems so far |
| 19:29.34 | fishhead | dvd-roms are worthless they lose data even with dma off |
| 19:29.41 | fishhead | batts are shot but I assumed this and don't care |
| 19:29.52 | fishhead | and the one is having major keyboard problems in fact it's apart |
| 19:30.09 | fishhead | the good news is, the 144 is not the max like they claimed, I borrowed two 128 |
| 19:30.19 | fishhead | from my mom's laptop and it ran with 272 just fine |
| 19:30.31 | J4k3 | I say |
| 19:30.33 | J4k3 | just labtop 'em. |
| 19:30.35 | fishhead | but be a while before I can afford four 8/16 chip so-dimms 128's |
| 19:30.42 | J4k3 | or buy a wireless keyboard/mouse set |
| 19:30.45 | fishhead | also the other good news is |
| 19:30.48 | fishhead | the cpu's |
| 19:30.50 | fishhead | PII 300 |
| 19:30.52 | Pablo | you cost me 940 bucks J4k3 |
| 19:30.55 | fishhead | are mobile pII package |
| 19:30.57 | J4k3 | whaaa |
| 19:30.58 | J4k3 | $940?! |
| 19:31.01 | fishhead | so I can put in a faster PII |
| 19:31.04 | fishhead | even possibly a P3 |
| 19:31.04 | J4k3 | howdIdothat? |
| 19:31.16 | J4k3 | you bought every last $20 board bgmicro had left? haha |
| 19:31.26 | fishhead | j4k3 oh I just want them for terminals and mobile units that plug in |
| 19:31.31 | Pablo | got me on the laptop hunt |
| 19:31.32 | fishhead | battery is not critical to me |
| 19:31.35 | fishhead | i can use my pda for that |
| 19:31.38 | J4k3 | haha |
| 19:31.44 | Pablo | and I bought one |
| 19:31.46 | Pablo | :\ |
| 19:31.56 | J4k3 | haha |
| 19:31.59 | fishhead | Pablo better be nice or I will show you the juicebox wiki |
| 19:32.00 | J4k3 | right on |
| 19:32.04 | fishhead | you won't be able to stop |
| 19:32.17 | J4k3 | I gotta free up my personal cash so I can do more haphazard purchasing. |
| 19:32.36 | J4k3 | I need a new HU for my car, an amp, a new laptop, etc. |
| 19:33.01 | fishhead | I need a junk laptop for my car |
| 19:33.01 | fishhead | for mp3 player |
| 19:33.06 | J4k3 | sounds like you've got two |
| 19:33.06 | J4k3 | haha |
| 19:33.13 | fishhead | if I can't make one of those 2 laptops work well enough for my sister |
| 19:33.17 | fishhead | I might do that |
| 19:33.19 | fishhead | weld one in the car |
| 19:33.30 | J4k3 | welding isn't suggested around PC gear |
| 19:33.37 | fishhead | you kno wwhat I mean |
| 19:33.38 | J4k3 | emp 4 life |
| 19:33.39 | fishhead | stupid canuck |
| 19:33.46 | fishhead | I rather get a junk laptop though with a busted lcd |
| 19:33.52 | fishhead | I hate to wast a good one |
| 19:34.00 | J4k3 | I'm about as far from canuck as you can get in the USA... except for say, the florida keys or puerto rico |
| 19:34.29 | J4k3 | whats the LCD worth in the gimped one? |
| 19:34.33 | J4k3 | $50? $100? |
| 19:34.55 | J4k3 | there *is* money in selling working laptop parts. |
| 19:35.07 | J4k3 | so you don't need the LCD? sell it, buy something you do need. |
| 19:35.20 | fishhead | na I can't bring myself to butchor it either |
| 19:35.28 | fishhead | i do have parts from 3 dead laptops I am selling though |
| 19:35.29 | fishhead | 3 lcd's |
| 19:35.30 | J4k3 | because it sounds like otherwise that laptop is pretty much screwed |
| 19:35.35 | fishhead | na |
| 19:35.37 | fishhead | it runs 2k ok |
| 19:35.43 | fishhead | but they both need new optical drives |
| 19:35.50 | fishhead | and I think i can refurb the keyboards |
| 19:35.56 | fishhead | take them apart, clean and lube them |
| 19:35.58 | fishhead | should be fine |
| 19:36.01 | fishhead | they were ex-fema |
| 19:36.06 | fishhead | so they probably saw a lot of abuse |
| 19:39.48 | J4k3 | they probably saw a lot of drool and jizz. |
| 19:39.59 | fishhead | yeah I have stuf that can remove both |
| 19:39.59 | fishhead | :P |
| 19:40.02 | J4k3 | hahaha |
| 19:40.19 | J4k3 | "FEMA removal products" |
| 19:42.48 | fishhead | I already got rid of their serials and stuff |
| 19:42.54 | fishhead | man they left some docs on the hd's |
| 19:42.57 | fishhead | kinda sloppy |
| 19:43.00 | fishhead | I dban'd them |
| 19:43.47 | J4k3 | "how I do nothing but masturbate and drool at work" by: FEMAboi |
| 19:45.27 | fishhead | yeah yeah I know |
| 19:45.43 | fishhead | we do agree politically that it's time to get the slack out |
| 19:45.48 | fishhead | even if we don't on bush |
| 19:46.10 | fishhead | I rather pay them to take karate lessons than sit around doing nothing |
| 19:46.19 | fishhead | at least that way if some rioters at a disaster get out of hand |
| 19:46.24 | J4k3 | the problem is |
| 19:46.27 | fishhead | CROWD CONTROL WITH EXTREME PREDJUICE |
| 19:46.40 | J4k3 | its simply too late for america |
| 19:46.45 | fishhead | na |
| 19:46.54 | fishhead | I don't believe that |
| 19:47.00 | fishhead | it's going to take some more collapsing like gm and pain |
| 19:47.03 | briareus | J4k3, I think the system is irrepairable without a clean slate |
| 19:47.04 | fishhead | but I think we will get back up |
| 19:47.21 | fishhead | gm is more about last of the union mafia cartel |
| 19:47.22 | briareus | the dollar is now old news |
| 19:47.23 | fishhead | than anything |
| 19:47.40 | J4k3 | briareus: yep. |
| 19:47.48 | briareus | Toyota has has a larger market cap than the detroit companies are worth |
| 19:47.52 | fishhead | good |
| 19:48.03 | J4k3 | fishhead: not quite. GM knew exactly what they were doing |
| 19:48.14 | fishhead | I am a strong believer that if we can't get off our asses, fuck us |
| 19:48.16 | J4k3 | too bad GM couldn't manage to make a halfway decent product for 35 years. |
| 19:48.24 | fishhead | let another take their place |
| 19:48.28 | briareus | J4k3, the Iranian oil bourse will swing the pendulum away from the petrodollar toward partity with a petroeuro. america is about to have its debts called in |
| 19:48.29 | fishhead | well that too |
| 19:48.38 | briareus | it will likely just monetize the debt, and bankrupt us all |
| 19:48.59 | fishhead | oh boy, look what I started :/ |
| 19:49.06 | J4k3 | briareus: I dunno... it might just bankrupt the rich, and thats fine by me. |
| 19:49.08 | Pablo | china is going to own us soon... dont worry |
| 19:49.20 | J4k3 | most got rich on the backs of you, me, and the average $6k/year iranian household. |
| 19:49.30 | briareus | J4k3, if the dollar crashes, it affects everyone it touches |
| 19:50.17 | briareus | I want to internationalize my toolsets |
| 19:50.19 | J4k3 | inflation only affects those that have a lot of money tied up as cash. |
| 19:50.26 | J4k3 | personally I'm not scared |
| 19:50.45 | fishhead | yeah but the rich guys hire us to make stuff |
| 19:50.46 | briareus | J4k3, my family endured the 1920s germany, their stories are vivid in my mind |
| 19:50.51 | fishhead | so it does affect us |
| 19:50.54 | Pablo | you live in the middle of no where :P |
| 19:50.59 | fishhead | if anything though |
| 19:51.11 | fishhead | hollywood and the music industry are the ones that need a good spank |
| 19:51.25 | J4k3 | fishhead: more like "rich guys buy people's ideas then get dumbass sheep to turn them into mass-produced reality" |
| 19:51.44 | fishhead | man this movie sucks |
| 19:51.46 | fishhead | old 60's movie |
| 19:51.51 | fishhead | but it has this great scene |
| 19:51.53 | fishhead | so I will suffer |
| 19:52.15 | J4k3 | Pablo: yeah, the middle of nowhere thats currently riding two rather solid markets... domestic petrolium, and cattle. |
| 19:52.24 | J4k3 | people gotta stay warm, people gotta eat... |
| 19:52.49 | Pablo | m00 |
| 19:53.03 | J4k3 | when I play music loud, I annoy the neighbors |
| 19:53.09 | fishhead | oh you heard the tree huggers already told some people they can't burn wood to stay warm |
| 19:53.10 | J4k3 | but they don't call the police... they don't even have a phone |
| 19:53.12 | J4k3 | they just go MOOOO |
| 19:53.20 | fishhead | this was in an area that didn't get too cold but wait till they do that here |
| 19:53.24 | fishhead | to someone who can't afford gas |
| 19:53.29 | Pablo | let them tell texans that fishhead |
| 19:53.31 | fishhead | you can't bur......*BANG* |
| 19:53.45 | J4k3 | yeah |
| 19:53.50 | J4k3 | send the moron treehuggers down here |
| 19:54.10 | J4k3 | tell em |
| 19:54.14 | Pablo | I would burn the treehugger |
| 19:54.16 | J4k3 | "they're burnin the forests in east texas!" |
| 19:54.22 | Pablo | cause it has tree in em |
| 19:54.33 | fishhead | oh they cheated wtf |
| 19:54.34 | Pablo | on noesss |
| 19:54.39 | Pablo | dont burn the pine trees |
| 19:54.47 | J4k3 | plz burn the pine trees |
| 19:54.51 | J4k3 | mostly the ones near the horizon |
| 19:55.00 | J4k3 | ;) |
| 19:55.42 | J4k3 | I should buy the piece of property that is the high spot between here and crockett, cut all the pines, and put in a trailer park. hahahaha |
| 19:55.56 | J4k3 | another solid business in east texas - trailer skirting. |
| 19:56.09 | briareus | I did that for a spell |
| 19:56.33 | J4k3 | briareus: trailer skirting installation/ |
| 19:56.47 | J4k3 | I know a guy clocking $2k/week running some illegals around 4 days a week installing the crap |
| 19:56.50 | J4k3 | every storm... more customers :) |
| 19:57.19 | Pablo | kee kee kee |
| 19:57.46 | J4k3 | theres probably a pretty solid business in trailer skirting removal from trees after storms, too. |
| 19:58.32 | J4k3 | the house with the tower I was working on last week... has a sheet of galvanized metal deeply embedded in an oak tree |
| 19:58.42 | J4k3 | ... the rohn survived, his barn didn't. |
| 19:59.23 | Pablo | J4k3, go get em in #wireless |
| 19:59.26 | Pablo | plx |
| 19:59.51 | J4k3 | haha |
| 20:01.19 | fishhead | whoa |
| 20:02.25 | fishhead | I knew mst3k butchored the movie |
| 20:02.30 | fishhead | now I proved it thanks to emule |
| 20:02.46 | J4k3 | did you just commit MOVIE PIRACY?! |
| 20:03.13 | fishhead | yeah a 1960's movie out of print for at least 10 yrs |
| 20:03.14 | fishhead | OMG! |
| 20:03.31 | fishhead | still haven't got the only part I want though :( |
| 20:04.02 | fishhead | "village of the giants" |
| 20:04.54 | fishhead | damn |
| 20:05.06 | fishhead | I am really starting to like windows media player classic |
| 20:05.20 | fishhead | it's still a tie between that and the mplayer windows port |
| 20:05.26 | fishhead | sometimes one does better than the other |
| 20:05.31 | fishhead | espically if its a partial file |
| 20:06.10 | J4k3 | haha I've seen parts of that movie |
| 20:06.18 | J4k3 | a UHF classic! |
| 20:06.34 | fishhead | you kno what my favorite part is I bet |
| 20:06.42 | briareus | <> Demo: Cloning a Verichip >>> http://cq.cx/verichip.pl |
| 20:06.46 | fishhead | that part involving real world physics |
| 20:07.03 | fishhead | aka what happens to your clothes when you take a formula that makes you grow to 20 feet tall |
| 20:07.04 | fishhead | :P |
| 20:07.51 | fishhead | j4ke are there any belkin or netgear or dlink routers that can run openWRT yet |
| 20:07.56 | fishhead | or they are 90% sure they can port to |
| 20:08.54 | J4k3 | rfid is h4x'd, film at 11. |
| 20:10.10 | fishhead | haha |
| 20:21.21 | J4k3 | the dude at radio shack friday |
| 20:21.24 | J4k3 | gave me too much change |
| 20:21.31 | J4k3 | I handed him a $10, he handed me back $16 |
| 20:21.49 | J4k3 | when he should have handed me $6 |
| 20:22.07 | J4k3 | and he didn't even hand me my $10 back, its a different $10 |
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| 21:15.57 | fishhead | OMG |
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| 23:12.37 | silverpower | fishhead: here's what I'm currently planning on going with. I'm going to use a USB iMic, they have pretty low CPU utilization and very good quality. This means that all I need is a USB card and a video card, or possibly just a USB card. |
| 23:23.14 | silverpower | y'know, I think I'm going to scrap the mp3car project (at least with this board), because I really don't have a good way to do it. |
| 23:24.14 | silverpower | Don't really know what I'm going to do with them, but who cares? These boards are still cool. :) |
| 23:33.32 | sherbang | Should make a decent asterisk system for home use. Or just a fileserver. With a second nic in a PCI could be used as a router. |
| 23:33.42 | sherbang | lots of little projects. |
| 23:34.53 | silverpower | mm. |
| 23:35.31 | silverpower | I'm shelving the mp3car project for now, until I have more data. |
| 23:35.54 | silverpower | (not least of which is just how well these boards tolerate active PCI riser cards.) |
| 23:36.06 | sherbang | if only my mother-in-law had a high speed internet connection instead of Aol, I'd send one to her as an asterisk box. It'd really help our phonebill. :) |
| 23:36.44 | fishhead | wonder if it wouild make a good PVR |
| 23:37.07 | fishhead | probably isn't any driver support for my pvr250 in ppc though |
| 23:37.26 | sherbang | I think you need a much beefier processor for a PVR. |
| 23:37.50 | silverpower | fishhead: depends. It might work if the card fully automates encoding. |
| 23:38.10 | fishhead | silver it does |
| 23:38.13 | fishhead | mpeg-2 encoder |
| 23:39.41 | silverpower | fishhead: then it's all up to how much IO the board can put up with. |
| 23:40.14 | fishhead | oh iw ould have to get ppc ports of all the sw too |
| 23:40.15 | fishhead | nm |
| 23:41.47 | sherbang | there might already be one, people have been p;aying with linux on different off the shelf PVRs. |
| 23:58.55 | silverpower | Man, trying to find out how much power an older-style video card draws is a pain. |
