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| 00:45.04 | sunrunner20 | http://sunrunner20.brainspore.net/files/imagegallerymodule/@random429e79e399d07/gallery2/3.5ghz.jpg |
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| 13:50.17 | prpplague | jbevren: ping |
| 13:50.44 | jbevren | pong? |
| 13:51.10 | prpplague | jbevren: do me a favor, can you post the actual board dimensions of the walnut? |
| 13:51.16 | jbevren | oh |
| 13:51.19 | jbevren | I'm not at home :( |
| 13:51.22 | prpplague | doh |
| 13:51.25 | jbevren | I'd love to otherwise |
| 13:51.26 | prpplague | ~lart jbevren |
| 13:51.50 | prpplague | jbevren: rough guess, whats the size? |
| 13:56.59 | jbevren | erg.. too early for rough guessing :) |
| 13:57.20 | jbevren | I'll make a note to bug Ken if you dont get to him first |
| 14:02.56 | prpplague | yea, i got a rough estimate made using the picture |
| 14:03.07 | jbevren | nod |
| 14:03.13 | jbevren | assuming 4 inches across the ide header? |
| 14:03.23 | prpplague | jbevren: used the db9 header |
| 14:03.26 | jbevren | ah |
| 14:03.35 | jbevren | I'd have used the ide cause I dont know the dims of the db9 :) |
| 14:05.36 | jbevren | prpplague: what's the regex to match the n'th occurance of a match on a line? :) |
| 14:05.43 | jbevren | prl-style |
| 14:05.45 | jbevren | =perl |
| 14:07.17 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:07.19 | jbevren | k |
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| 14:11.09 | jbevren | GPSFan: can you measure the dht-walnut? |
| 14:11.30 | GPSFan | jbevren: morning, measure as in power? |
| 14:11.36 | jbevren | naw, dims |
| 14:11.39 | jbevren | for the wiki |
| 14:11.42 | jbevren | I"m not at home :) |
| 14:12.18 | GPSFan | what's to measure? I have a 32 & a 64M that work ok, and 2 128's that don't. |
| 14:12.32 | jbevren | nono, dimensions :) |
| 14:12.45 | jbevren | dimm has two ms:) |
| 14:14.13 | GPSFan | oh, they are standard size, 5.25" long, 1.00 or 1.385 high. |
| 14:14.34 | jbevren | the dht walnut is a little bigger than that |
| 14:14.35 | GPSFan | that is a measure btw.. |
| 14:14.46 | jbevren | it's not 1 inch wide :) |
| 14:14.59 | jbevren | must be early in your room too :D |
| 14:15.25 | prpplague | GPSFan: its 5.25" long? |
| 14:15.41 | jbevren | those sound like a sdram's dimm's dims |
| 14:16.05 | jbevren | might be about 5.25 on th enarrow side |
| 14:16.15 | prpplague | i calculate it was 6.25 x 8.125 |
| 14:16.22 | beeble | si-units++ :P |
| 14:16.29 | GPSFan | btw, the board is not a walnut, I've been a bit more successful in getting a re-compiled ppcboot 1.12 working. |
| 14:16.40 | jbevren | ah |
| 14:16.47 | jbevren | it has a walnut chip on it (405GP) |
| 14:16.50 | jbevren | do tell tho |
| 14:16.57 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, i figured it wasn't a true walnut "board" per se |
| 14:16.59 | GPSFan | jb, I just put the calipers on the dimm and it is 5.25 x 1 |
| 14:17.09 | jbevren | gpsfan :D |
| 14:17.17 | prpplague | GPSFan: oh we need the entire board |
| 14:17.28 | prpplague | GPSFan: the main board |
| 14:18.35 | GPSFan | 6.00 x 7.5 |
| 14:18.52 | prpplague | hmm |
| 14:19.04 | prpplague | cals must be off |
| 14:19.32 | GPSFan | yours or mine? |
| 14:19.51 | prpplague | mine |
| 14:20.02 | prpplague | GPSFan: i just measured from the photo |
| 14:20.30 | GPSFan | ah, need photogrametry to do that properly. |
| 14:20.57 | prpplague | GPSFan: well i measured the db9 connector and then used that as a base |
| 14:22.00 | GPSFan | going from a known small dimension to an estimated large dimesion multiplies erors. starting witha known large dimension and going to smaller or similar, contains errors. |
| 14:23.02 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:23.14 | GPSFan | i'b got the new bootloader running at 0xfffc0000 and it gets all the way past initing the IDE before it dies. |
| 14:23.24 | jbevren | GPSFan: nice :D |
| 14:23.31 | jbevren | so it inits and uses ram now? |
| 14:23.37 | prpplague | GPSFan: agreed, i was just trying to get a rough guess |
| 14:23.48 | prpplague | GPSFan: which bootloader? |
| 14:23.54 | GPSFan | next is the final serial, and command interpreter. |
| 14:24.28 | prpplague | GPSFan: you're not writing one from scratch are you? |
| 14:24.50 | GPSFan | prpplague: still ppcboot 1.12, that's the first step, I haven't played with bootloaders in a while, and never with ppc assembly lang to this extent. |
| 14:25.16 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:25.27 | prpplague | i would be curious about getting apex running on ppc |
| 14:25.41 | jbevren | remind me what apex is |
| 14:26.05 | GPSFan | that would be nice too, but we need a working bl that can save itself & the environment. |
| 14:27.15 | GPSFan | that's the first step, then we can look at a completely new bl, ie apex. |
| 14:27.20 | jbevren | I assume youre speaking of the bootloader :) |
| 14:27.48 | GPSFan | yes. |
| 14:28.02 | jbevren | ohh |
| 14:28.11 | jbevren | its a kernel-image-embedded loader? |
| 14:28.41 | GPSFan | the boot flash has just enough room for 2 copies, the working one and the test one. I'm using a combo of the working one & OCD commander to debug the test one. |
| 14:30.43 | GPSFan | there is an interesting bug which may not have been fixed till 1.16, where there variables that are used assuming they wwere initialized to 0000 when the code was flashed. I had that area all ffff and had some interesting problems. |
| 14:32.30 | GPSFan | gotta dig up my ppc assembler ref manual. the syntex differs between what objdump produces and what OCD commander produces as a assy dump. |
| 14:44.24 | jbevren | doh :( |
| 14:51.39 | GPSFan | after I get it working from flash I'll try to get it working from ram. at the moment it dies from ram after the re-location code finishes. |
| 14:54.54 | jbevren | GPSFan: gonna add a vga text and usb driver? |
| 14:54.56 | jbevren | lol j/k |
| 14:55.25 | jbevren | I think apex with a kexec kernel would be perfect in the long run |
| 15:00.20 | prpplague | jbevren: typical build is about 16k |
| 15:00.54 | prpplague | GPSFan: thats usually the most difficult part to debug of a bootloader |
| 15:01.03 | prpplague | GPSFan: is the jump from flash to ram |
| 15:04.35 | jbevren | prpplague: neat :) |
| 15:06.03 | prpplague | jbevren: although, i've built a headless version that is just 7k |
| 15:06.26 | prpplague | jbevren: mainly the reason is for quick uploades via jtag |
| 15:06.56 | jbevren | ah |
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| 16:00.42 | fishhead | prpplague, |
| 16:00.44 | fishhead | jbevren, |
| 16:00.58 | fishhead | if you guys see a guy named silver????? damn I forgot now |
| 16:01.02 | fishhead | please grab him |
| 16:01.11 | fishhead | he's insterested in talking to you 2 about that ppc board |
| 16:01.25 | fishhead | I probably helped bgmicro sell them all out :) |
| 16:02.04 | sherbang | silverpower |
| 16:02.09 | fishhead | yes |
| 16:02.10 | fishhead | thx |
| 16:02.21 | fishhead | I am too nervous about my job interview thing |
| 16:02.22 | fishhead | :p |
| 16:03.55 | sherbang | it's ok, I had to scrollback to remember his name too. |
| 16:04.40 | jbevren | fishhead: Relax, you'll get the job |
| 16:05.01 | fishhead | well theer is no "JOB" yet |
| 16:05.06 | jbevren | :) |
| 16:05.16 | fishhead | interviewing with a job agency that helps people with disabilities |
| 16:05.22 | fishhead | but they might hire me directely for now |
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| 16:06.29 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.31 | jbevren | lol |
| 16:06.35 | jbevren | why bother with a ups |
| 16:06.45 | jbevren | just plug it into your car if youre -that- paranoid :) |
| 16:11.14 | fishhead | w00t |
| 16:11.21 | fishhead | got a thanks from bgmicro for the wiki link :) |
| 16:13.25 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:13.25 | jbevren | shame its not even your page :) |
| 16:13.25 | jbevren | so they sold out eh? |
| 16:13.25 | jbevren | you should get into marketing |
| 16:13.33 | fishhead | well I dunno if they did or not |
| 16:13.34 | fishhead | :P |
| 16:13.57 | fishhead | I iknow of at least 20 or so people that ordered and many more than one :P |
| 16:14.11 | jbevren | <- 4. |
| 16:14.12 | jbevren | :D |
| 16:16.37 | fishhead | 1 :/ <-- poor whore |
| 16:16.43 | fishhead | :P |
| 16:17.23 | fishhead | i wonder if we can replace the stock bootloader code in the flash |
| 16:17.38 | fishhead | i'd love to be able to make it boot off a pci usb card with a flash drive in it |
| 16:17.41 | fishhead | those are so cheap now |
| 16:20.46 | jbevren | pci sub cards are cheap |
| 16:20.51 | jbevren | if you dont buy em at best buy |
| 16:34.04 | GPSFan | jbevren: BG is not out yet, I finally got around to ordering 2 more. I think it's pretty safe to assume that I'll get the bootloader re-done (unless Murphy strikes) ;>) |
| 16:36.08 | jbevren | or o'brien |
| 16:48.59 | fishhead | hheh |
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| 16:49.36 | fishhead | oh bew the nd email from bg micro |
| 16:49.54 | fishhead | subject "wow" |
| 16:49.58 | fishhead | :p |
| 16:53.22 | fishhead | guess they did not expect a customer to send them product urls |
| 16:53.23 | fishhead | :p |
| 17:14.08 | GPSFan_ | jbevren: got the new bootloader to come up to a prompt! command interpreter seems to work too. stay tuned.. |
| 17:14.21 | jbevren | try to boot something :) |
| 17:14.23 | jbevren | or |
| 17:14.26 | jbevren | tftp an image and iminfo it |
| 17:14.34 | jbevren | or iminfo the rom? |
| 17:14.43 | jbevren | I think the rom's a ppcboot image too |
| 17:14.51 | jbevren | (not an image of the code, but having a proper ppcboot header) |
| 17:16.22 | fishhead | ZX-24, ZX-40 |
| 17:16.22 | fishhead | The ZX series MCUs are based on the Atmel ATmega32 processor and run a Virtual Machine that features built-in multi-tasking, 32-bit floating point math and over 1K of RAM for user's programs. Multi-tasking facilitates a more structured approach to coding for interface devices that require prompt service, e.g. serial devices, infrared remotes, etc. |
| 17:16.23 | fishhead | The programming language for the ZX series is ZBasic, a modern dialect of Basic modeled after Microsoft's Visual Basic. The biggest improvement over the typical MCU Basic dialect is parameterized subroutines/functions that support local variables. Strong type checking is another improvement that aids in writing correct programs more quickly. |
| 17:16.27 | fishhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.38 | fishhead | HOLY MOTHER OF CANUCK? |
| 17:17.05 | jbevren | Ooo |
| 17:17.17 | jbevren | so its barely more powerful than my 12 year old programmable calculator |
| 17:17.20 | jbevren | i thas 1022 bytes of ram |
| 17:17.24 | jbevren | for code -and- data |
| 17:17.33 | jbevren | it can index tho, pretty cool imho |
| 17:18.26 | fishhead | PLEASE jbevren DO NPOT HURT THEM |
| 17:18.33 | GPSFan_ | the hello world example loads from s-rec's over the serial port & runs.. |
| 17:18.55 | fishhead | FOR IT'S TARGET MARKET THAT IS WICKED |
| 17:19.09 | fishhead | vnc lagg sux |
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| 17:26.43 | jbevren | GPSFan_: it's a start! |
| 17:26.45 | jbevren | :D |
| 17:29.51 | fishhead | BestBuy.com has the Axion 4.2" 16:9 Widescreen Portable DVD Player for just $49.99 and shipping after a $30 rebate (2/18). Search "LMD 3428R" |
| 17:29.59 | fishhead | !!!!! |
| 17:30.15 | prpplague | fishhead: interesting |
| 17:30.19 | jbevren | does it have a video input jack for the lcd? |
| 17:30.21 | prpplague | fishhead: does it play vcd's? |
| 17:30.59 | fishhead | dunno |
| 17:31.05 | jbevren | :D |
| 17:31.13 | fishhead | jbevren, we think too much alike |
| 17:31.21 | fishhead | :p |
| 17:31.35 | prpplague | jbevren: i think i would be offended |
| 17:31.51 | fishhead | hahha |
| 17:31.55 | jbevren | or you can just google for Axion 3428R |
| 17:31.59 | jbevren | and get the best buy page |
| 17:32.00 | jbevren | :D |
| 17:32.25 | jbevren | prpplague: http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers.php?DVDnameid=6463&Search=Search& |
| 17:33.11 | jbevren | prpplague: not much seems to be known |
| 17:35.44 | jbevren | google is f/ing useless |
| 17:35.51 | jbevren | they dont enforce their search squatting policy |
| 17:36.04 | fishhead | yeah |
| 17:36.08 | jbevren | at least 10 links are search squatters that redirect through an adserver and then to an ebay page |
| 17:36.15 | jbevren | the -same- ebay page |
| 17:36.20 | fishhead | #1 reason you hear me saying F*** you outloud |
| 17:36.33 | fishhead | that burns me to no enbd |
| 17:36.44 | jbevren | I'm starting to need another engine |
| 19:42.57 | prpplague | hehe looks like that juiceboxfan guy has been doing some hacking |
| 19:45.46 | prpplague | welcome to prpplague's next hack - http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0007XIE0I.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg |
| 20:06.25 | prpplague | fishhead: feel like going to toys-r-expensive, hehe |
| 20:08.36 | prpplague | i wonder if thats still based on the LH75411 |
| 20:08.54 | beeble | looks like a leapster from leapfrog |
| 20:09.49 | prpplague | beeble: yea, similiar |
| 20:10.04 | prpplague | beeble: the pixter has always been better computing than leapfrog |
| 20:10.16 | beeble | how much does it costs? |
| 20:10.24 | prpplague | $90.00 |
| 20:10.40 | beeble | so, similar prize |
| 20:10.45 | prpplague | yea |
| 20:11.20 | prpplague | beeble: i did alot of work with the pixter color - http://www.elinux.org/wiki/Pixter |
| 20:13.14 | beeble | im still looking for a zipit |
| 20:14.30 | prpplague | i suspect its still based on the lh75411, probably with larger ram and flash |
| 20:14.30 | prpplague | i'd sure like to get my hands on one |
| 20:19.05 | beeble | nice piece the pixter color. just not very handy ;) |
| 20:20.46 | prpplague | beeble: well i did alot of modifications that i never posted |
| 20:20.56 | prpplague | beeble: such as the addition of wireless connection |
| 20:21.04 | prpplague | beeble: upgraded the ram and flash |
| 20:21.25 | prpplague | beeble: add on keyboard |
| 20:22.11 | prpplague | beeble: it turned out pretty nice, but most of the hacks i do are mainly using the boards as an educational tool, i.e. a cheap dev platform |
| 20:24.42 | beeble | looking around the elinux wiki at the moment |
| 20:26.12 | beeble | the juicebox seems a little bit to slow for anything other then mp3 |
| 20:26.33 | prpplague | beeble: yea full video is pretty hard for the jb |
| 20:26.58 | beeble | im more interested in ogg/aac support |
| 20:27.03 | prpplague | you really have to be running a very optimized system to do video on an arm7tdmi |
| 20:27.58 | beeble | hmm, maybe tremor will work |
| 20:28.30 | beeble | there is some arm code |
| 21:38.46 | jbevren | oh. right. I'm here. |
| 21:39.44 | jbevren | in the pixter? |
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| 23:14.11 | jbevren | ok out for the day |
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| 23:54.56 | fishhead | silverwanker |
| 23:54.58 | fishhead | you missed them again |
| 23:55.07 | fishhead | YOU STUPID CANUCK |
