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| 00:29.40 | fishhead | so, did anyone else get their bgmicro $20 ppc board yet? :) |
| 00:33.41 | fishhead | spill drink, bbl |
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| 01:39.23 | silverpower | woot! I got my boards! |
| 01:40.14 | fishhead | yeah me too |
| 01:40.16 | fishhead | OWNS YOUR CANUCK |
| 01:40.23 | fishhead | too tired to play with it tonight though |
| 01:40.24 | fishhead | dude |
| 01:40.27 | fishhead | the meter I got |
| 01:40.29 | fishhead | $20 special |
| 01:40.38 | fishhead | figured it would get me thru till I have good income |
| 01:40.45 | fishhead | other places retail it for $50-$100 |
| 01:40.51 | fishhead | I was like HOLY MOTHER OF CANUCK |
| 01:41.19 | silverpower | ...and it was DOA. |
| 01:43.52 | silverpower | Heh, cool - these Maxtors are just rebadged Quantums. Awesome! |
| 01:46.17 | fishhead | yeah the quantom ones are better |
| 01:46.21 | fishhead | what was doa? |
| 01:46.38 | fishhead | unless it's a quantum fireball |
| 01:46.40 | fishhead | then you are canucked |
| 01:46.55 | fishhead | they are built with a defective 3 phase dc spindle motor controller chip |
| 01:46.57 | fishhead | goes mad |
| 01:47.04 | fishhead | they dropped like flies at work |
| 01:47.18 | silverpower | Hey! I've had Fireballs that didn't exhibit this problem. |
| 01:47.23 | silverpower | What size? |
| 01:47.38 | silverpower | I thought your new meter came DOA? |
| 01:47.46 | fishhead | hell no |
| 01:47.55 | fishhead | I haven't tried anything yet |
| 01:48.06 | fishhead | silver what model quantum fireball was it |
| 01:48.11 | fishhead | oh btw |
| 01:48.18 | fishhead | if the chip isn't "philips" you are fine |
| 01:48.40 | fishhead | the same thing happen to fuji |
| 01:48.50 | fishhead | they had lawsuits and recalls over their defective hd's |
| 01:48.52 | fishhead | same problem |
| 01:48.56 | fishhead | defective motor chip |
| 01:49.20 | fishhead | in fact cirrus sued fuji for not paying the chips but then fuji said they were defective but after some research they joined together in a lawsuit |
| 01:49.31 | fishhead | so we have philips making defective motor control chips |
| 01:49.37 | fishhead | and cirrus making motor control chips bad |
| 01:49.43 | fishhead | the thing they had in common? |
| 01:49.58 | fishhead | both were packaged in a semiconductor black package made by suminito |
| 01:50.04 | fishhead | who fucked up royally |
| 01:50.24 | fishhead | the chip is made with a defective material that reacts with moisture in the air to form phosphoric acid that eats the chip |
| 01:50.32 | silverpower | I have a 15GB, not sure about the exact model. I also have a 1GB that I still use for emergency boots. |
| 01:50.40 | fishhead | it wasn't just motor chips it was a bunch of chips from all over the semi spectrum |
| 01:50.43 | fishhead | and they were not happy |
| 01:50.49 | fishhead | all the major brands, national semi, etc |
| 01:50.55 | fishhead | are suing the canuck out of suminito |
| 01:50.57 | silverpower | Dear goddess, what a lame design decision. |
| 01:51.10 | fishhead | blame the tree huggers |
| 01:51.29 | fishhead | I guess this all arose over the concerns of toxicity of fire retardants |
| 01:51.40 | fishhead | I don't have a problem with them being phased out for non toxic |
| 01:51.46 | fishhead | BUT WAIT TILL IT'S READY 100% TESTED |
| 01:51.47 | fishhead | K THX |
| 01:52.05 | fishhead | you might enjoy this |
| 01:52.06 | fishhead | http://www.alliedpaper.org/ |
| 01:52.14 | fishhead | lemme google around for the package story |
| 01:52.56 | silverpower | Yeah, pump out a few eval models, put them in an eval board, and torture-test the living hell out of them, in long-term usage. That would've been enough. |
| 01:54.05 | silverpower | But using manufacturers to field-test them... that's just stupid. |
| 01:54.43 | fishhead | well suminito and a company above them selling the product are knee deep in shit lawsuits |
| 01:54.44 | fishhead | now |
| 01:54.46 | fishhead | and rightfully so |
| 01:54.56 | silverpower | haha. |
| 02:10.20 | fishhead | http://www.fairchildsemi.com/news/2004/0405/PR_Alcatel_Lawsuit.html |
| 02:10.23 | fishhead | one example |
| 02:11.02 | fishhead | http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=5J0WW1N0ZEWR4QSNDBCCKH0CJUMEKJVN?articleID=20600201 |
| 02:12.08 | fishhead | http://www.eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=5J0WW1N0ZEWR4QSNDBCCKH0CJUMEKJVN?articleID=19502292 |
| 02:16.00 | fishhead | http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2005/04/25/daily44.html |
| 02:19.57 | silverpower | yeesh. Fairchild and Suminito are going to get lynched, if they haven't already. |
| 02:22.59 | fishhead | na it would be amkor and suminto |
| 02:23.02 | fishhead | that get lynched |
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| 02:23.17 | fishhead | fairchild is just one of the victums/plaintifs |
| 02:23.32 | silverpower | Ah, oops. |
| 02:59.55 | fishhead | like I said |
| 03:00.01 | fishhead | cirrus and fuji initially |
| 03:00.04 | fishhead | were going to kill each other |
| 03:00.16 | fishhead | then joined forces both to go after sumnito |
| 03:02.54 | joe_bleau | Any speculation on J5, the unpopulated 9 pin inline header? |
| 03:04.38 | joe_bleau | U6 looks a little like the pinout for an remote control style IR receiver |
| 03:07.26 | fishhead | hey |
| 03:07.30 | fishhead | did you guys see the via's for battery |
| 03:07.37 | fishhead | i wonder if that means it has a clock circuit in 405gp |
| 03:07.42 | fishhead | an I just need to solder on a battery |
| 03:07.57 | joe_bleau | U2 looks like the RTC |
| 03:08.16 | joe_bleau | Check the pads for Y4: arranged for a SMT or TH 32kHz rock |
| 03:18.21 | fishhead | crap that's true you need a 32khz clock chip |
| 03:18.23 | fishhead | so much for that idea |
| 03:19.57 | fishhead | I am going to be going off my sleeping med for a trial to see how I do without it, and going to switch to a over the counter sleep aid, so if I get a little freaky, bear with me |
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| 03:47.22 | GPSFan_ | joe_bleau: made a little progress on the hdd issue in 1.1.6, it seemes that when tehy changed all the pci config stuff, that they decided not to config "legacy IDE devices" well, guess what... There was a lot of config hard coded in 1.1.5 and before. just a matter of time.. |
| 04:05.33 | joe_bleau | The AMCC book allows cut-n-paste...I was just thinking of writing a massive script to dump the configuration registers in OCD |
| 04:05.50 | joe_bleau | (The same stunt was useful on JB, so it's not anything new) |
| 04:06.17 | joe_bleau | I did notice that a lot of the registers are indirect, which wouldn't be so easy to regexp. |
| 04:06.50 | GPSFan_ | most of the pci config stuff is indirect, but it would be useful. |
| 04:06.54 | joe_bleau | And finally, did you see my comment in the log (after you left) about hw break? |
| 04:07.06 | joe_bleau | I'll see if I can find a way to do it. |
| 04:07.18 | GPSFan_ | no.. |
| 04:07.41 | joe_bleau | I was able to break on an address, or range of addresses. |
| 04:07.50 | GPSFan_ | that would be cool. way cool.. |
| 04:07.51 | joe_bleau | You've got to program the spr regs yourself |
| 04:08.08 | GPSFan_ | well you could write a macro for ocd. |
| 04:08.24 | joe_bleau | I don't think their macros take args, just sourcing an external file. |
| 04:08.37 | joe_bleau | Now you could write a perl/c/python app to generate the macro file, |
| 04:08.40 | joe_bleau | then load it in OCD. |
| 04:09.09 | joe_bleau | "hbr 0x1000-0x100000", generate hbreak.mac, then switch to OCD and hbreak |
| 04:10.02 | joe_bleau | Range breakpoints: set spr 0x3f2 to 0x80a00000 (bit 0 turns on external debug mode, the other two bits enable IAC1 and IAC1-IAC2 range) |
| 04:10.25 | joe_bleau | Then set IAC1 to be the low end of the break range, IAC2 to the high end |
| 04:10.36 | GPSFan_ | well I can talk to the ide drive in 1.1.6, pci config is still a bit hosed, but ide info returns the right stuff. |
| 04:11.40 | joe_bleau | If you just want to break at one address instead of a range, set spr 0x3f2 to 0x80200000 |
| 04:12.01 | joe_bleau | and put your address into IA1 (spr 0x3f4) |
| 04:12.09 | fishhead | oh guys |
| 04:12.10 | fishhead | listen |
| 04:12.14 | fishhead | my ppc bpoard |
| 04:12.17 | joe_bleau | Example: break range from 0x1000 to 0x2000 |
| 04:12.18 | fishhead | came with printout |
| 04:12.25 | fishhead | how to run linux on it |
| 04:12.33 | joe_bleau | "srp 0x3f2 = 0x80a00000" |
| 04:12.46 | joe_bleau | "spr 0x3f4 = 0x00001000" |
| 04:12.54 | GPSFan_ | joe_bleau: that's great info a small c or eve a bash script to gen the .mac file for ocd would be wonderful. |
| 04:12.54 | joe_bleau | "spr 0x3f5 = 0x00002000" |
| 04:13.07 | joe_bleau | Well, I wasn't exactly offering. |
| 04:13.19 | joe_bleau | But I could be coerced, since you've done so much so far. |
| 04:13.30 | joe_bleau | PCI or hbreak--you pick. |
| 04:13.33 | GPSFan_ | joe_bleau: I was speaking metaphorically.. |
| 04:13.45 | jbevren | yawn |
| 04:13.51 | jbevren | GPSFan_: jshopper rocks :) |
| 04:13.53 | joe_bleau | Oh, you can break on two ranges or four spots |
| 04:13.57 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:14.05 | jbevren | my sister said she'd be willing to learn grafiti to use it |
| 04:14.06 | joe_bleau | And you can invert the ranges, so break anywhere except 0x1000-0x2000 |
| 04:14.08 | jbevren | and she hates computers |
| 04:14.10 | jbevren | anyway |
| 04:14.12 | jbevren | how's things |
| 04:14.13 | joe_bleau | But that seems complicated |
| 04:14.15 | GPSFan_ | jbevren: I knew you'd like it.. |
| 04:14.31 | jbevren | I got the jfile application too |
| 04:14.36 | jbevren | a nice small db sounded handy |
| 04:15.36 | GPSFan_ | jbevren: been making slow progress, pci configuration on 1.1.6 is borked for this board, but it is slowly yielding.. |
| 04:18.51 | joe_bleau | Did y'all see the moto^H^H^H^Hfreescale insert in this month's CCI? I was expect a dev board in there! |
| 04:19.47 | GPSFan_ | fishhead: jbevren is the current king of kernel/userspace for the ppc405 board, joe_bleau is the master of the ppc405 doc's & ocd related stuff, I'm hacking on the bootloader. Pick something to look into and dive in. |
| 04:20.06 | fishhead | tomarrow |
| 04:20.10 | fishhead | when I setup |
| 04:20.10 | joe_bleau | Oh, I've got some docs on the firewire chips...should I stick 'em on the Wiki? |
| 04:20.38 | GPSFan_ | "tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow" |
| 04:21.07 | fishhead | guys |
| 04:21.16 | fishhead | that $20 meter bgmicro sells |
| 04:21.18 | fishhead | http://www.softwareandstuff.com/dm_MY69M.html |
| 04:21.21 | fishhead | muhahahaha |
| 04:21.28 | fishhead | only hinitdsn't have is temp |
| 04:21.47 | fishhead | GPS I am in the middle of a med removal trial |
| 04:21.49 | fishhead | so bite y anck |
| 04:21.55 | fishhead | dunno how it's going togo |
| 04:22.02 | fishhead | but I do want to help with the work |
| 04:22.41 | joe_bleau | I'd like to know more about which dimms work and which don't. |
| 04:22.45 | silverpower | What do I need to start tinkering with my new board? 12v and a free serial port, correct? |
| 04:22.52 | fishhead | well this pringout |
| 04:22.53 | joe_bleau | And where to get big cheap dimms that do work |
| 04:22.57 | fishhead | says 2x sideed work fine |
| 04:23.12 | joe_bleau | PC66, PC100, PC133? |
| 04:23.22 | fishhead | dunno |
| 04:23.23 | joe_bleau | Someone with a bunch of memory could do some testing pretty easily. |
| 04:23.31 | fishhead | like me ?:P |
| 04:23.33 | joe_bleau | (hint, hint) |
| 04:23.41 | fishhead | we will see tomrrow :) |
| 04:24.00 | joe_bleau | GPSFan determined that 2 bank sel lines aren't present on the PWB. Someone could find the vias and work up the upgrade instructions. |
| 04:24.25 | GPSFan_ | the memory controller setup code says it can deal with lots of different types of SDRAM speed, & sizes. |
| 04:25.05 | fishhead | so we need to stick to sindle sided ? |
| 04:25.06 | joe_bleau | I posted a possible RTC device...that could be tested. (Requires PWB reverse engineering) |
| 04:25.06 | GPSFan_ | fishhead: you could verify what works & what doesn't. |
| 04:25.06 | fishhead | ok we will see tomrrw |
| 04:25.06 | fishhead | I need way to boot,test etc |
| 04:25.33 | GPSFan_ | all your need is a 9600baud serial terminal (or program) and 12Vdc |
| 04:25.48 | fishhead | uhh you need a kernel etc to boot |
| 04:25.53 | GPSFan_ | you can do it all from ppcboot |
| 04:25.53 | joe_bleau | I'd find a "dummy's guide to cross compiling a ppc linux kernel" pretty useful. |
| 04:25.55 | fishhead | to see if it dies on th eram etc |
| 04:26.01 | fishhead | oh ok |
| 04:26.08 | fishhead | brb lemme find that printout |
| 04:26.50 | joe_bleau | And of course, we need to offer a virtual prize to the first person to brick their board. |
| 04:27.24 | GPSFan_ | I already did that, by erasing the boot vector at 0xffffffc |
| 04:27.48 | silverpower | GPSFan_: JTAG is Skuld's blessing, isn't it. |
| 04:27.49 | jbevren | GPSFan_: if I could just get usb keyboard input working.. heh |
| 04:27.54 | joe_bleau | On a more personal note, and info on the 20 pin riscwatch debug connector would be greatly appreciated. But that's a pretty advanced project, possibly graduate level. |
| 04:27.55 | jbevren | alas. :( |
| 04:28.25 | GPSFan_ | joe_bleau: you know what's inside the riscwatch probe? |
| 04:29.02 | joe_bleau | Nope, never seen it. Bought it on fleabay and had it shipped to a friend with experience. He said it was pretty old. |
| 04:29.26 | joe_bleau | I'd guess 68360 or MPC860/820 |
| 04:29.36 | GPSFan_ | joe_bleau: how much $$ and have you ever opened it up? |
| 04:29.43 | fishhead | what do u guys think of http://www.softwareandstuff.com/dm_MY69M.html |
| 04:29.53 | joe_bleau | olde skool 10mbit ethernet |
| 04:30.08 | GPSFan_ | joe_bleau: ah, |
| 04:30.10 | jbevren | fishhead: looks pretty good |
| 04:30.12 | joe_bleau | I think it was $3. |
| 04:30.24 | GPSFan_ | good buy.. |
| 04:30.25 | jbevren | has capacitance and frequency too |
| 04:30.28 | jbevren | nodnod |
| 04:30.40 | jbevren | mine's just volts/ohms/amps |
| 04:30.41 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:30.42 | fishhead | I got one for $20 |
| 04:30.43 | fishhead | muhahahah |
| 04:30.46 | jbevren | mwahaha |
| 04:30.48 | jbevren | good buy! |
| 04:30.48 | fishhead | I tougitwas junk |
| 04:30.56 | fishhead | figured it would do votage ok till I could afford better |
| 04:30.58 | jbevren | nope, pretty decked out |
| 04:31.00 | fishhead | bgmicro |
| 04:31.23 | jbevren | yeah, bgmicro's one of those places I could lose a bunch of money too :) |
| 04:31.36 | GPSFan_ | well I'm off to zzz land. maybe the pci config will finally yield tomorrow. ;>) |
| 04:31.41 | jbevren | hehe |
| 04:31.42 | jbevren | hopefully |
| 04:31.43 | jbevren | see ya ken |
| 04:31.45 | joe_bleau | Hnag on bud! |
| 04:31.46 | fishhead | ggps |
| 04:31.48 | fishhead | wait |
| 04:31.52 | fishhead | 2 mins |
| 04:31.58 | joe_bleau | PCI or hardware breakpoint script? |
| 04:32.13 | GPSFan_ | 1:59, 1:58, 1:57, .... |
| 04:32.23 | fishhead | http://supernova.stanford.edu/dingdong/dingdong_bootup.pdf |
| 04:32.33 | fishhead | that is what they printed for me |
| 04:32.37 | GPSFan_ | hareware breakpoint script.. |
| 04:32.46 | jbevren | fishhead: funny |
| 04:32.47 | joe_bleau | 'k. Check wiki in the morning. |
| 04:32.49 | jbevren | they didnt for ken :) |
| 04:32.54 | joe_bleau | I got one |
| 04:32.58 | GPSFan_ | fishhead: seen it, that |
| 04:33.03 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.05 | jbevren | haha |
| 04:33.07 | jbevren | that'll go over |
| 04:33.36 | GPSFan_ | night.. |
| 04:34.01 | silverpower | jbevren: I could easily blow an entire round of student aid checks (~$1850, usually) at bgmicro and still have gear that I want to buy. |
| 04:35.36 | silverpower | Aren't electronic salvage shops wonderful? |
| 04:36.24 | joe_bleau | C&H in Pasadena is fun in real life, but their catalog prices are sky high. |
| 04:38.30 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:38.38 | jbevren | ISU used to have weekly sales (wonder if they still do) |
| 04:38.44 | jbevren | I scored an indy when they were still elite |
| 04:38.48 | jbevren | for $20 |
| 04:38.49 | jbevren | :) |
| 04:39.23 | silverpower | ...wow. |
| 04:39.33 | jbevren | with 64M ram even heh |
| 04:39.51 | silverpower | A friend of mine scored an Indigo1 there, complete with a working graphics pipe. |
| 04:39.56 | jbevren | I dont remember the cpu, but I do remember scoring 24 bitplanes and not a 4600pc/133 |
| 04:41.01 | silverpower | (and anybody who collects IRIS gear will tell you that an intact graphics pipe is more than worth it's weight in gold and silicon. :D) |
| 04:41.11 | jbevren | yep |
| 04:41.18 | jbevren | a friend has an r3k elan system |
| 04:41.24 | jbevren | with tram and all |
| 04:41.31 | jbevren | I almost got an r4k elan :( |
| 04:41.47 | jbevren | the r4k indigos can (pokily) run 6.5.22 |
| 04:42.48 | silverpower | Yeah, I think it was an r4k. Of course, it's languishing in his storage closet somewhere, because he's more of an x86 guy and wants me to take a look at it in the unlikely event I go back home. |
| 04:43.00 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:43.05 | jbevren | my favorite sgi box is my o200 |
| 04:43.10 | jbevren | two nodes, linked |
| 04:43.20 | jbevren | 1G ram, 4x r12k/270 |
| 04:43.29 | silverpower | Ooh! Is the interconnect system as wonderful as they say? |
| 04:43.34 | jbevren | hehe |
| 04:43.37 | jbevren | fantastic |
| 04:43.41 | jbevren | I have an o2000 too |
| 04:43.44 | jbevren | 14 cpu's |
| 04:44.08 | silverpower | who do you go by on nekochan (if you hang out there at all)? |
| 04:44.18 | jbevren | I havent for ages |
| 04:44.23 | jbevren | but 'jbevren' would be it |
| 04:44.28 | jbevren | I use the name about everywhere |
| 04:44.57 | joe_bleau | I'll bet that o2000 puts out some heat |
| 04:45.02 | jbevren | it does |
| 04:45.09 | jbevren | datacenter prep says 1900w nominal |
| 04:45.20 | jbevren | specs say 5000W max |
| 04:45.43 | silverpower | Ahh, I might have seen a post or two by you. I lurk there, on virtue of not having actual SGI hardware and the fact that i use Linux and would probably run Linux on an Octane should I ever acquire one... |
| 04:45.53 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:46.08 | joe_bleau | I like my Octane, but there's so damn flaky |
| 04:46.19 | jbevren | http://jbevren.net/img/sgifamily.jpg |
| 04:46.37 | jbevren | I've since acquired an O2 with its plastic busted off :( |
| 04:46.43 | jbevren | and that was before the o2k |
| 04:46.46 | jbevren | joe_bleau: mine's rock solid |
| 04:47.09 | jbevren | Bilkis would be the two O200 nodes.. runs gentoo linux |
| 04:47.29 | jbevren | the octane has been upgraded twice |
| 04:47.34 | silverpower | jbevren: Ah, Origins have Linux support? Does the interconnect work? |
| 04:47.38 | jbevren | from single 250 to dual 195 to single r12k/300 |
| 04:47.43 | joe_bleau | Mine has the known unreliable mobo |
| 04:47.43 | jbevren | silverpower: it does |
| 04:47.44 | jbevren | 1sec. |
| 04:47.46 | fishhead | man I would workfr a salvage company |
| 04:47.51 | fishhead | for low wage if they let me take shit home |
| 04:47.54 | jbevren | silverpower: jbevren.net/o200 |
| 04:48.21 | jbevren | bilkis-raid0.txt is the last time I fired it up I think |
| 04:48.27 | silverpower | jbevren: who molested those towers, and what are they? |
| 04:48.32 | joe_bleau | The 250/10k to 300/12k was a nice upgrade, especially back when those R12k chips were cheap |
| 04:48.41 | jbevren | silverpower: the twin towers? |
| 04:48.43 | jbevren | theyre not towers :) |
| 04:48.48 | jbevren | theyre just positioned vertically in my lab :) |
| 04:48.55 | jbevren | they're 4U rackmount origin 200 systems |
| 04:49.01 | jbevren | IP27, just like the o2000 |
| 04:49.06 | silverpower | Ah! |
| 04:49.06 | jbevren | just fewer cpus per node |
| 04:50.02 | jbevren | when I last played with the IP27, we couldnt load a local kernel |
| 04:50.21 | jbevren | Skylark and Iluxa have since made a VH-based loader that reads ext2 |
| 04:50.33 | jbevren | very sgi compatible hehe |
| 04:50.54 | silverpower | I've been looking into machines suitable for AGI work. So far, I've been impressed with the Origins, but tracking down enough to get decent performance would be a pain. |
| 04:51.12 | jbevren | 'agi'? |
| 04:51.36 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/o200/bilkis-serveraids.jpg <- got scsi? :D |
| 04:52.00 | silverpower | General AI, basically. Extreme computational requirements - lots of CPUs, and the minimum latency you can possibly buy. :) |
| 04:52.30 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/o2k/DSCN1592.JPG (not me, but that is my o2k, before installation was done) |
| 04:52.38 | jbevren | oh |
| 04:52.43 | jbevren | just get soemthing craylinked :) |
| 04:52.47 | jbevren | mwahaha |
| 04:53.31 | silverpower | Yeah. Others are considering Opterons, but frankly, an off-the-shelf GigE card and switch does not a low-latency interconnect make. |
| 04:53.55 | jbevren | they may, if you get a good MPI interface in lieu of IP |
| 04:54.05 | jbevren | take acenics for example |
| 04:54.10 | jbevren | they can run their own microcode |
| 04:54.15 | jbevren | (minicode? firmware?) |
| 04:54.28 | jbevren | you dont have to speak ethernet with those :) |
| 04:54.52 | jbevren | I understand the craylink (ccNUMA) concept |
| 04:54.57 | jbevren | but I dont know how they keep the latency low |
| 04:55.17 | jbevren | I do know it has a -lot- to do with fabric'ing |
| 04:55.33 | jbevren | f/e a square vs a square with corner-to-corner links |
| 04:56.15 | silverpower | Ah. The idea behind using Origins is that currently, it's the best off-the-shelf solution I can find that impresses me. |
| 04:56.27 | silverpower | There's those Orions. Seen those? |
| 04:56.41 | jbevren | I havent |
| 04:56.54 | jbevren | origin 3000 are fast, but more pricey than sgi's itanic solution |
| 04:57.08 | jbevren | HP's superdome is ccNUMA too |
| 04:57.18 | jbevren | not craylinked, but they do have a similar design |
| 04:57.36 | silverpower | Right, but what CPU does that use? |
| 04:58.47 | silverpower | Sun is out of the running for obvious reasons. HP's PA-RISC would be okay if the hardware wasn't so piggish, hard to find, and AFAICT EOLed. Same with Alpha. |
| 04:59.26 | silverpower | Intel is great until you need to do something floating-point, then it all goes to hell. |
| 05:00.22 | jbevren | superdome? parisc iirc |
| 05:00.30 | jbevren | yeah, parisc is dead |
| 05:00.36 | jbevren | a very sad shame too |
| 05:00.45 | silverpower | jbevren: indeed. |
| 05:00.50 | jbevren | its the only general purpose cpu Ive seen to play mp3's at 50mhz on second-generation tech |
| 05:00.51 | jbevren | :) |
| 05:00.57 | jbevren | 320kbit even |
| 05:01.00 | jbevren | without skips |
| 05:01.03 | silverpower | It's not a good time for alternative archs. |
| 05:01.06 | silverpower | Wow! |
| 05:01.18 | jbevren | HP 725/50 |
| 05:01.33 | silverpower | That IS amazing. I thought that only a really fast ARM or DSP could do that. |
| 05:01.51 | jbevren | intermetall's dsp does it at 27mhz |
| 05:01.56 | jbevren | but thats a dsp, not a general purpose cpu |
| 05:02.13 | silverpower | Which makes your PA-RISC all the more impressive. |
| 05:02.19 | jbevren | nod |
| 05:02.24 | silverpower | What about Alpha? Thoughts? |
| 05:02.33 | jbevren | my only alpha was a very bad implementation |
| 05:02.40 | jbevren | 166mhz first-gen cpu |
| 05:02.42 | silverpower | It's pretty much dead, but still. |
| 05:02.44 | jbevren | no secodnary cache |
| 05:02.52 | jbevren | ide was PIO-only and I had no scsi disks |
| 05:02.54 | silverpower | Ah, EV4 wasn't all that great. |
| 05:02.56 | jbevren | I only worked with it for a day :) |
| 05:03.09 | jbevren | the mainboard's still around somewhere |
| 05:03.16 | jbevren | It's an atx board :) |
| 05:03.25 | fishhead | cray cluster is oinsteresting |
| 05:03.31 | fishhead | the cruch only cpus |
| 05:03.31 | silverpower | jbevren: Ooooh. Can I have it? |
| 05:03.37 | fishhead | not doing any user stuff |
| 05:03.42 | fishhead | have a small realtime os |
| 05:03.43 | jbevren | silverpower: I'd say yeah, butI'd never send it out due to laziness:) |
| 05:03.46 | fishhead | and the user tapped ones |
| 05:03.48 | fishhead | run linux |
| 05:03.50 | silverpower | jbevren: hehe. |
| 05:03.54 | fishhead | goodiea imho |
| 05:04.12 | jbevren | fishhead: like the second cpu in the gp2x? |
| 05:04.18 | jbevren | the second cpu doesnt run linux |
| 05:04.23 | jbevren | only the first does |
| 05:04.24 | fishhead | dunno anything about those |
| 05:04.28 | silverpower | jbevren: any idea whether an Origin can run in master/slave style? |
| 05:04.31 | fishhead | I have a epson hx20 |
| 05:04.39 | fishhead | two 6809 cpu's |
| 05:04.43 | fishhead | .614 mhz |
| 05:04.45 | jbevren | fishhead: dual-cpu handheld.. arm 920T running linux, arm940t that doesnt |
| 05:04.50 | fishhead | one is for ii/o |
| 05:04.56 | jbevren | silverpower: explain |
| 05:05.02 | jbevren | craylink isnt a master/slave bus |
| 05:05.13 | jbevren | although the origin 200s do have a master and slave node |
| 05:05.15 | jbevren | er mode |
| 05:05.27 | jbevren | int he origin 2000, theyre all just members of the bus |
| 05:05.49 | jbevren | the first node you turn on turns the other nodes on one by one, assigning them a NASID |
| 05:06.03 | jbevren | s/node/module/ |
| 05:06.16 | jbevren | purl: Close, I should have used /g |
| 05:07.40 | jbevren | silverpower: in a nutshell, the craylink bus covers a 64bit flat memory space |
| 05:08.01 | jbevren | the highest bits in this memory space (9 bits iirc) determine which node is involved |
| 05:08.29 | jbevren | the hubs and switches understand this and route data accordingly (similar to an ethernet switch, but picture it some 64bits wide instead of 1.) |
| 05:08.53 | jbevren | its somewhere close to 100mhz 64bit through those snakes |
| 05:08.57 | jbevren | and I do mean snakes :) |
| 05:10.01 | silverpower | jbevren: I was thinking in terms of having a single node with your graphics pipe and typical workstation hardware. That would be the master, and it gets connected to the slaves (your endless rack of Origins :) ) through your Craylink. |
| 05:10.13 | jbevren | Oh. |
| 05:10.18 | jbevren | then youre thinking onyx2 |
| 05:10.20 | jbevren | :) |
| 05:10.26 | jbevren | an onyx2 module is an origin 2000 module |
| 05:10.29 | jbevren | but with one or more graphics heads |
| 05:10.31 | fishhead | thing is |
| 05:10.37 | jbevren | it can link to any IP27 system |
| 05:10.39 | fishhead | opteron was born of purple fire |
| 05:10.48 | fishhead | it was made from silicon v0 |
| 05:10.52 | jbevren | so you can get 1020 cpu's behind your graphics head |
| 05:10.54 | fishhead | to be ccnuma capable |
| 05:11.05 | fishhead | so to crayit's probably like angus |
| 05:11.07 | fishhead | :) |
| 05:11.08 | jbevren | (1024 is max for ip27, but you lose two nodeboard slots for your graphics heads) |
| 05:11.34 | silverpower | jbevren: and what's the maximum CPU and memory you can have per node? |
| 05:11.36 | jbevren | fishhead: on a technical scale, the amd duron was ccnuma capable |
| 05:11.46 | jbevren | fishhead: all athlons speak to their chipset on a packetized protocol |
| 05:11.50 | fishhead | oh |
| 05:11.53 | fishhead | cool |
| 05:12.11 | fishhead | HT is a damn fine protocol |
| 05:12.20 | jbevren | silverpower: afaik 2x r12k/300mhz, 16*256M per node. 4 nodes per module |
| 05:12.31 | jbevren | My o2k has 8G ram |
| 05:12.34 | jbevren | and its far from full |
| 05:12.48 | fishhead | holy cow |
| 05:12.53 | fishhead | how much that set you back |
| 05:12.55 | jbevren | I can put 32G in mine |
| 05:13.01 | jbevren | fishhead: not as much as you'd think |
| 05:13.12 | silverpower | jbevren: better pray that your app requires lots of CPUs but not a hideous amount of raw CPU power. |
| 05:13.15 | jbevren | I got the thing with 6G ram and 16 cpu's for $300 |
| 05:13.15 | fishhead | wtf can use that much ram |
| 05:13.26 | silverpower | fishhead: you would be suprised. |
| 05:13.28 | jbevren | silverpower: parallelism pays off |
| 05:13.32 | fishhead | well dbase |
| 05:13.32 | jbevren | fishhead: databases |
| 05:13.38 | jbevren | fishhead: rendering, data handling |
| 05:13.45 | jbevren | Mine was an Oracale system |
| 05:13.49 | fishhead | ah |
| 05:13.53 | jbevren | it had /opt/oracle half installed |
| 05:13.54 | jbevren | heh |
| 05:14.14 | jbevren | fishhead: environmental simulation |
| 05:14.23 | jbevren | silverpower: btw, dont ever underestimate r12k cpu's |
| 05:14.38 | jbevren | theyre in the league where its almost faster to do integer math on the fpu |
| 05:14.49 | jbevren | and not cause the IU is slow |
| 05:14.55 | jbevren | :) |
| 05:15.02 | jbevren | silverpower: per cpu 4M cache at cpu speed |
| 05:15.07 | fishhead | damn |
| 05:15.17 | jbevren | my system has 32M of cache |
| 05:15.17 | jbevren | heh |
| 05:15.27 | fishhead | can you code the os |
| 05:15.34 | fishhead | to just keep the kernel in cache |
| 05:15.34 | silverpower | jbevren: Indeed. I remember one of the Nekochanners mentioning that he could run a DVD stream with A/V desyncs in the range of one frame per every few minutes or something, IIRC. |
| 05:15.35 | fishhead | always |
| 05:15.58 | silverpower | fishhead: at some point, the kernel becomes negligible. |
| 05:16.27 | jbevren | silverpower: in irix proper, tahts pretty easy |
| 05:16.33 | jbevren | in fact you can capture HDTV with little to no cpu |
| 05:16.42 | jbevren | the expansion bus interconnect is not at all like PC's |
| 05:16.51 | jbevren | its a star topology instead of bus |
| 05:16.54 | fishhead | nice |
| 05:16.57 | fishhead | shame irix sucks |
| 05:17.01 | jbevren | irix doesnt |
| 05:17.03 | jbevren | 4dwm does :) |
| 05:17.05 | fishhead | makes windows look secure |
| 05:17.08 | jbevren | oh |
| 05:17.13 | jbevren | thats only if you dont keep patches up to date |
| 05:17.17 | jbevren | most hobbyists dont |
| 05:17.23 | fishhead | na i heard the os is full of hole |
| 05:17.28 | fishhead | I be glad to be wreong |
| 05:17.29 | jbevren | closeable oens :) |
| 05:17.38 | fishhead | speaking of |
| 05:17.43 | fishhead | that windows worm tomarrow |
| 05:17.45 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/o2k/bootlog.txt |
| 05:17.47 | fishhead | going to make life miserrable |
| 05:18.03 | jbevren | that has a full hardware inventory for the o2k |
| 05:18.12 | jbevren | you can see all the dimms I have on it |
| 05:18.13 | fishhead | ecc? |
| 05:18.22 | jbevren | memory on the o2k? |
| 05:18.51 | fishhead | no ram on your mom |
| 05:18.52 | jbevren | ecc plus directory memory |
| 05:19.13 | fishhead | di mem? |
| 05:19.16 | jbevren | each page of ram has extra info built onto the module that says which processor has write-locked the ram |
| 05:19.21 | jbevren | thats how ccnuma works :) |
| 05:19.26 | fishhead | whoa |
| 05:19.27 | jbevren | cpu says "I want memory at X" |
| 05:19.35 | jbevren | the bus controller looks up the module tha thas memory X |
| 05:19.40 | jbevren | if its free, it allocates it to you |
| 05:19.47 | jbevren | if not, it notifies cpu Y that the memory is being reassigned |
| 05:19.49 | fishhead | does that mean you have to buy special ram |
| 05:19.51 | jbevren | cpu Y flushes its write cache |
| 05:19.53 | jbevren | then you get memory X |
| 05:19.56 | fishhead | OH I'S KINA LIKE THE TAG SRA |
| 05:20.02 | jbevren | yeah |
| 05:20.04 | jbevren | xactly |
| 05:20.11 | fishhead | neat idea |
| 05:20.14 | jbevren | but tag is used for dirty/clean, not cpu ownership |
| 05:20.18 | jbevren | but yeah, you need special ram |
| 05:20.27 | fishhead | yeah I know but it's kinda the same idea |
| 05:20.29 | fishhead | a marker |
| 05:20.31 | jbevren | somehow 288 bits comes to mind |
| 05:20.40 | jbevren | but I think thats the number of pins on the dimm |
| 05:20.41 | fishhead | so all th amhs to be special? |
| 05:20.44 | fishhead | ICK |
| 05:20.46 | fishhead | $$$$ |
| 05:20.50 | jbevren | not really |
| 05:20.54 | jbevren | origin 2000 ram is cheapish on ebay |
| 05:21.02 | silverpower | jbevren: How do CPU annunciator pins figure into SMP design? I know that a lot of Intel designs were horribly crippled due to a lack of them. |
| 05:21.02 | jbevren | 2G was less than 150 for me |
| 05:21.04 | fishhead | WELL NOW CAUSE IT'S DEAD |
| 05:21.14 | jbevren | silverpower: origin 2000 is -not- smp. |
| 05:21.17 | jbevren | its NUMA |
| 05:21.24 | silverpower | jbevren: I know that. |
| 05:21.37 | jbevren | so rephrase yer question so it applies :) |
| 05:21.57 | silverpower | mmkay, one sec. :) |
| 05:22.09 | silverpower | jbevren: How do CPU annunciator pins figure into *traditional* SMP design? I know that a lot of Intel designs were horribly crippled due to a lack of them. |
| 05:22.10 | jbevren | btw if you note my bootlog, you'll see I have a number of 195mhz cpu's |
| 05:22.13 | jbevren | two 200mhz cpu's |
| 05:22.15 | jbevren | and two oflfine cpus :) |
| 05:22.19 | fishhead | did you guys hear |
| 05:22.34 | fishhead | intel investing 10 bill back intoianium |
| 05:22.35 | fishhead | HAHHAHA |
| 05:22.40 | fishhead | save the sinking ship! |
| 05:22.55 | jbevren | fishhead: wood does float |
| 05:23.05 | jbevren | throw enough deadtree at something and it might just float |
| 05:23.18 | fishhead | yeah I know witheouh thrust a brick will fly |
| 05:23.18 | jbevren | silverpower: Hm. |
| 05:23.25 | jbevren | silverpower: smp is inherently crippled |
| 05:23.31 | jbevren | multiple cpu's on an already congested bus |
| 05:23.40 | jbevren | thats why AMD went with a point-to-point architecture |
| 05:23.46 | jbevren | (HT is P2P, not bus-based) |
| 05:23.51 | jbevren | intel x86 is bus-based |
| 05:23.59 | silverpower | jbevren: ever seen the inside of an Itanium? Somewhere on the die, there's a little boat-anchor. ;) |
| 05:24.08 | jbevren | hehe |
| 05:24.29 | jbevren | silverpower: I've thought up some simple SMP designs using older 8bit cpus |
| 05:24.42 | jbevren | even at 1mhz the bus can get tight |
| 05:24.43 | jbevren | hehe |
| 05:25.30 | silverpower | jbevren: Have you seen the ALR Revolution 6x6 design? It was a 6-way PPro without any fancy interconnect. Very cool, IMO. Of course, the six CPUs give you great incentive to run some form of Linux or BSD on them. |
| 05:25.55 | fishhead | OOOO YEAH |
| 05:26.01 | fishhead | THAT THING HAS BITCHSLAP LOGIC |
| 05:26.07 | fishhead | I LIKE THAT JBE |
| 05:26.19 | fishhead | CPU #1 FAILED CACHE CHECK SO: YOUGO O HLL AND YOU DIE! |
| 05:26.27 | fishhead | TURNS OFF THAT CPU |
| 05:26.28 | jbevren | fishhead: actually |
| 05:26.28 | fishhead | MOVES ON |
| 05:26.39 | jbevren | that cpu's mainboard still hosts working ram |
| 05:26.41 | jbevren | :) |
| 05:26.48 | jbevren | if you look, it notes its booting a headless node |
| 05:26.56 | silverpower | heat-death.com? Heh. |
| 05:26.56 | fishhead | cool |
| 05:26.57 | jbevren | headless = cpu board with two dead cpu's |
| 05:27.04 | fishhead | what happen to the cpu |
| 05:27.06 | fishhead | do you know |
| 05:27.13 | jbevren | dunno |
| 05:27.19 | jbevren | psu probably fried em |
| 05:27.19 | fishhead | can you replace them |
| 05:27.23 | fishhead | ? |
| 05:27.23 | jbevren | I had to replace one of the psu's |
| 05:27.29 | fishhead | ah |
| 05:27.29 | jbevren | just replace the nodeboard |
| 05:27.31 | fishhead | :/ |
| 05:27.33 | jbevren | they can be had for $80ish |
| 05:27.41 | jbevren | the cpu is a bit pricier :) |
| 05:27.44 | silverpower | that's not that bad a repair. |
| 05:27.50 | fishhead | shame it can't use the cpu somehow |
| 05:27.55 | fishhead | disable the cache |
| 05:27.56 | jbevren | the cpu's cache fails |
| 05:27.58 | jbevren | oh |
| 05:27.58 | fishhead | use it for i/o moving |
| 05:28.00 | jbevren | oh hell no |
| 05:28.01 | jbevren | :) |
| 05:28.05 | jbevren | two reasons |
| 05:28.13 | jbevren | 1: a cachelewss cpu would flood the craylink mesh |
| 05:28.15 | jbevren | you dont want that |
| 05:28.24 | fishhead | no way to assign it dumb tasks |
| 05:28.27 | fishhead | that wouldn't |
| 05:28.28 | jbevren | 2: IO devices busmaster :) |
| 05:28.33 | jbevren | fishhead: you need ram |
| 05:28.37 | jbevren | cache or not :) |
| 05:28.44 | fishhead | ah yeah I see |
| 05:28.47 | jbevren | all ram accesses pass through the craylink mesh |
| 05:28.49 | silverpower | fishhead: part of the strength of the MIPS architecture is the caching, as well. |
| 05:29.09 | jbevren | silverpower: its the only way to deal with 90-microsecond acess times |
| 05:29.13 | silverpower | fishhead: disable that, and you kill a LOT of the performance. |
| 05:29.26 | fishhead | I know to me tossing a cpu feels dirty |
| 05:29.27 | fishhead | :P |
| 05:29.37 | jbevren | its worth tossing :) |
| 05:29.40 | fishhead | I know |
| 05:29.47 | fishhead | better than taking out the whole ship |
| 05:29.55 | silverpower | fishhead: It would feel like a 75mhz Cyrix 5x86 or something. |
| 05:29.59 | jbevren | the origin 2000 has an astornomical IO bandwidth |
| 05:30.05 | jbevren | its above 1T/sec iirc |
| 05:30.15 | fishhead | shame sgi doesn't make them anymore |
| 05:30.16 | jbevren | but meory is only ~300M/sec |
| 05:30.18 | jbevren | heh |
| 05:30.19 | fishhead | they are about dead I think |
| 05:30.34 | silverpower | SGI brought that crap on themselves. |
| 05:30.40 | fishhead | unless the opteron workstations could save them |
| 05:30.45 | fishhead | yeah I know with NT |
| 05:30.51 | jbevren | SGI's done |
| 05:30.57 | jbevren | theyre jsut another PC company |
| 05:30.58 | jbevren | like HP |
| 05:31.01 | fishhead | and they traded some stuff with nvidia |
| 05:31.02 | jbevren | and Digital (now compaq) |
| 05:31.06 | jbevren | and apple |
| 05:31.23 | silverpower | fishhead: and countless other bad decisions. |
| 05:31.24 | jbevren | crap that it is, x86 is -the- arch |
| 05:31.36 | fishhead | yeah I love x86 |
| 05:31.50 | jbevren | I'll hate x86 until it can no longer boot dos |
| 05:31.51 | fishhead | but it's not for everything |
| 05:32.00 | fishhead | well no arguemn |
| 05:32.06 | fishhead | 16 bit x86 is CANUCKED |
| 05:32.10 | silverpower | jbevren: which makes destroying it that much more important to fuel the supercomputer race. |
| 05:32.20 | jbevren | the fact that windows 2003 uses technology from 1983 to boot is proposterous(sp?) |
| 05:32.34 | fishhead | well |
| 05:32.38 | fishhead | WFI will putedtohis |
| 05:32.43 | fishhead | EFI |
| 05:32.45 | fishhead | will end this |
| 05:32.56 | jbevren | no, it wont. :) |
| 05:33.00 | fishhead | yes |
| 05:33.02 | jbevren | that just changes the bios interface |
| 05:33.04 | fishhead | it will |
| 05:33.06 | jbevren | it doesnt eliminate real mode |
| 05:33.09 | fishhead | no it replaces it |
| 05:33.09 | silverpower | jbevren: the SGI Visual Workstations had a standard SGI-style bootloader. |
| 05:33.24 | silverpower | jbevren: then they had to go and replace it. |
| 05:33.26 | jbevren | silverpower: I'm aware :) |
| 05:34.03 | silverpower | jbevren: Indeed. The SGI VWS is one of the few technologically beautiful x86 designs out there. |
| 05:34.20 | jbevren | concur :) |
| 05:34.27 | fishhead | JBE THE EFI starts with just enough 16 bit code to jump to protected mode right off |
| 05:34.34 | jbevren | it even has the O2's graphics subsystem |
| 05:35.24 | silverpower | not to mention the case was nice, and it came with one of the best flatpanels EVER built - the SGI 1600SW. |
| 05:35.48 | fishhead | probably sucked |
| 05:35.56 | fishhead | lcd's were slow back then |
| 05:36.07 | jbevren | heh |
| 05:36.10 | jbevren | I have 3 1600sw's |
| 05:36.16 | jbevren | and its not slow |
| 05:36.20 | jbevren | lcd's are just now on par with em |
| 05:36.21 | fishhead | update speed? |
| 05:36.28 | jbevren | 25ms |
| 05:36.35 | fishhead | ah well then they were hand picked - $$$$ |
| 05:36.46 | jbevren | better than the cheap lcd's that are out |
| 05:36.53 | jbevren | they were made by mitsubishi |
| 05:37.16 | fishhead | i'm done collectinold computers |
| 05:37.19 | fishhead | unless they are lcd |
| 05:37.24 | fishhead | even just a calc lcd |
| 05:37.42 | fishhead | i'd like a few ti calcs |
| 05:37.43 | jbevren | suns never got to me either |
| 05:37.47 | fishhead | mount them to the wall |
| 05:37.50 | jbevren | I have a handful |
| 05:37.51 | jbevren | heh |
| 05:37.52 | fishhead | serial link |
| 05:37.53 | jbevren | but meh. |
| 05:37.58 | fishhead | 24/7 stats |
| 05:38.02 | fishhead | I bought ss2 |
| 05:38.02 | jbevren | fishhead: nod |
| 05:38.07 | fishhead | 13$ |
| 05:38.10 | jbevren | SS voyager |
| 05:38.13 | fishhead | $30 for damn batt |
| 05:38.15 | jbevren | rare item :) |
| 05:38.17 | fishhead | gave up |
| 05:38.21 | fishhead | the cpu is so canucked |
| 05:38.25 | fishhead | linux guys refuse tofix i |
| 05:38.37 | fishhead | below ss5 = sv7 = canucked |
| 05:38.46 | fishhead | sparfc v7 sux |
| 05:38.48 | jbevren | heh |
| 05:38.56 | jbevren | this is a microsparc |
| 05:38.57 | fishhead | but at the time didn't know |
| 05:39.28 | fishhead | I kept psu |
| 05:39.29 | fishhead | mb |
| 05:39.36 | fishhead | cards |
| 05:39.37 | fishhead | ram |
| 05:39.40 | fishhead | tosses the case etc |
| 05:39.45 | fishhead | never going to power it up again |
| 05:39.46 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/img/dscn1229.jpg |
| 05:39.48 | jbevren | again not me :) |
| 05:39.52 | fishhead | oh and kept th nvram |
| 05:39.56 | jbevren | but its my ss voyager :P |
| 05:40.01 | jbevren | the lcd thingy |
| 05:40.15 | jbevren | anyway |
| 05:40.19 | jbevren | I should sleep |
| 05:40.25 | fishhead | see lcd |
| 05:40.32 | silverpower | jbevren: sleep is overrated. :) |
| 05:40.38 | fishhead | worth me putting up with |
| 05:40.42 | jbevren | some day, my friends and I are going to photologue our hardware |
| 05:40.45 | fishhead | but crt crap |
| 05:40.48 | jbevren | fishhead: the SS voyager is rare |
| 05:40.48 | fishhead | no thx |
| 05:40.51 | jbevren | or uncommon at least |
| 05:40.51 | fishhead | me too |
| 05:40.59 | fishhead | what cpu is it |
| 05:41.01 | jbevren | and having one in working order is rare-er |
| 05:41.09 | jbevren | 60mhz hypersparc |
| 05:41.12 | jbevren | I run SLXT on mine |
| 05:41.14 | silverpower | jbevren: yours works? Awesome. |
| 05:41.20 | fishhead | is that v8 or v9 |
| 05:41.20 | jbevren | silverpower: 48M ram :) |
| 05:41.33 | jbevren | fishhead: its vOLD |
| 05:41.33 | jbevren | :) |
| 05:41.39 | jbevren | did I say hyper? |
| 05:41.40 | fishhead | jbe what type ram ? |
| 05:41.41 | jbevren | I meant micro |
| 05:41.47 | jbevren | proprietary module |
| 05:41.51 | fishhead | oh |
| 05:41.54 | jbevren | about the size of a pcmcia card |
| 05:41.57 | fishhead | was going toas i you need 4's |
| 05:42.01 | fishhead | 30 pin |
| 05:42.05 | jbevren | hehe |
| 05:42.07 | jbevren | I have 30pins |
| 05:42.10 | jbevren | anyway |
| 05:42.12 | jbevren | rest time |
| 05:42.21 | fishhead | s;eep goodsx |
| 05:42.24 | silverpower | jbevren: I was about to say - slap in a couple 2x125 Ross HyperSparcs. :) |
| 05:42.25 | fishhead | good friend |
| 05:42.36 | jbevren | silverpower: no place to put em |
| 05:42.40 | jbevren | this baby's passivly cooled |
| 05:42.49 | jbevren | and I pulled the harddisk, so its 100% silent |
| 05:42.51 | fishhead | so mod it |
| 05:42.56 | fishhead | carefully |
| 05:42.57 | jbevren | fishhead: Um. No. |
| 05:43.06 | jbevren | I had to mod it enough to get the lcd backlight to work |
| 05:43.07 | silverpower | fishhead: and mutilate a working SS-V? NO WAY. |
| 05:43.16 | fishhead | I said carefully' |
| 05:43.23 | jbevren | fishhead: Um. No. :) |
| 05:43.23 | fishhead | as in make a cooling hood |
| 05:43.25 | fishhead | snaps on etc |
| 05:43.28 | jbevren | why? |
| 05:43.30 | fishhead | not cut anything |
| 05:43.31 | jbevren | it doesnt overheat |
| 05:43.49 | fishhead | if you wanted to put in that faster cpu |
| 05:43.54 | fishhead | you stupid canuck |
| 05:43.57 | fishhead | :P |
| 05:44.03 | jbevren | did I mention that I'm not modding it? :) |
| 05:44.09 | jbevren | 60mhz is -plenty- fast for SLXT |
| 05:44.11 | silverpower | It was a joke, hehe. |
| 05:44.17 | jbevren | hehe |
| 05:44.20 | fishhead | :p |
| 05:44.24 | jbevren | boot -> X11 -> xdm remote login to ganymede |
| 05:44.31 | fishhead | put on NX |
| 05:44.35 | silverpower | jbevren: what's your naming scheme? |
| 05:44.37 | jbevren | nx? |
| 05:44.42 | jbevren | silverpower: anime |
| 05:44.47 | fishhead | oh yeah |
| 05:44.49 | fishhead | dude |
| 05:44.51 | fishhead | I love anime |
| 05:45.01 | jbevren | fishhead: so tell me why ganymede has its name :) |
| 05:45.09 | fishhead | never even heard that word |
| 05:45.15 | fishhead | I only get to see what is on |
| 05:45.18 | jbevren | The gentle giants of.. |
| 05:45.19 | fishhead | a) tv once in a while |
| 05:45.25 | fishhead | b) winampTV which all died off |
| 05:45.27 | jbevren | One of jupiter's moons |
| 05:45.28 | jbevren | :) |
| 05:45.31 | fishhead | ah |
| 05:45.40 | fishhead | scrapped princess was first I saw on winampoTV |
| 05:45.45 | jbevren | it's where they found new technology in Geneshaft (anime) |
| 05:45.47 | fishhead | that was awesome |
| 05:46.00 | jbevren | fishhead: go rent the Last Exile series |
| 05:46.01 | jbevren | its worth it |
| 05:46.06 | jbevren | right. |
| 05:46.07 | jbevren | sleep. |
| 05:46.08 | fishhead | oh I saw some of that |
| 05:46.09 | jbevren | click. :) |
| 05:46.11 | fishhead | good |
| 05:46.12 | silverpower | jbevren: I use Gundam unit names for non-x86, and Zaku unit names for non-x86. This Pismo is 'zetagundam.multiverse'. :) |
| 05:46.16 | jbevren | fishhead: not techtv's raping thereof |
| 05:46.20 | jbevren | the original with text subs |
| 05:46.30 | fishhead | cartoon network is worse |
| 05:46.33 | silverpower | jbevren: Ah, is that why it seemed so lame? |
| 05:46.34 | jbevren | silverpower: Ive been unimaginative lately |
| 05:46.34 | fishhead | they have changed story lines |
| 05:46.38 | fishhead | wirth editing |
| 05:46.42 | jbevren | although the ppc board has a nice name 'littlefoot' |
| 05:46.42 | fishhead | OH ONE THING BEFORE YOU GO |
| 05:46.46 | fishhead | EVANGELON |
| 05:46.49 | fishhead | SUCKS ASS |
| 05:46.51 | fishhead | K THX |
| 05:46.58 | jbevren | fishhead: you just dont understand it |
| 05:47.01 | jbevren | heh |
| 05:47.05 | fishhead | oh don't give me that crap |
| 05:47.08 | jbevren | it takes ages to wrap your head around the series |
| 05:47.18 | fishhead | it was gay |
| 05:47.18 | silverpower | Am I the only one who actually LIKED ep25/26? |
| 05:47.32 | jbevren | silverpower: they destroyed the series in 25/26 heh |
| 05:47.46 | fishhead | yeah the ending was like wtf?? |
| 05:47.54 | fishhead | and I guess everyone told the author it sucked |
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| 05:47.58 | fishhead | so he got revenge |
| 05:47.58 | jbevren | ok really no kidding bedtime out click by etc |
| 05:47.58 | silverpower | jbevren: it was cool, but I don't think it was a proper ending IMO. Still like it. |
| 05:48.02 | fishhead | and killed everyone in th emovie |
| 05:48.09 | silverpower | jbevren: g'night. |
| 05:48.11 | fishhead | it was good up to like the last 4 |
| 05:48.17 | fishhead | then I aas like wtf? |
| 05:48.41 | fishhead | go sleep |
| 05:48.44 | fishhead | you are worse than me |
| 05:49.45 | silverpower | fishhead: my first exposure to Evangelion was through NXE (shared-universe fanfic). I loved it, it has a much better ending and plot. It was ACTUALLY CONSISTENT. |
| 05:50.27 | silverpower | And you didn't feel like reaching through the screen and strangling Shinji for being such a cretinous wimp. |
| 05:51.30 | silverpower | jbevren: go to sleep, already! :P |
| 05:52.13 | fishhead | I wish he could have finished killing everyone in the compound |
| 05:52.16 | fishhead | for killing his friend |
| 05:53.54 | fishhead | I think that was evangelon |
| 05:54.32 | silverpower | You're remembering that episode wrong. |
| 05:54.38 | fishhead | oh? |
| 05:56.53 | silverpower | What happened is that EVA-01 was overridden by the dummy plug system, and it attacked EVA-03, destroying it, and in the process crushing the entry plug. Then, Shinji somehow manages to override the dummy plug through sheer force of will. Of course, they locked his machine down, but when Shinji had a chance to use -01 in the gantry bay, it had somewhere around 190sec left on the battery clock. |
| 05:57.56 | silverpower | Suzahara didn't die, but he lost his leg, got some nasty internal injuries, and depending on who you believe, lost his ability to pilot the machine. |
| 05:59.25 | silverpower | EVA-01 was overridden because he refused to kill or hurt his friend - he wanted to manually eject the entry plug on -03. (The *manual* way. :) ) |
| 06:00.22 | silverpower | In that situation, I would've turned that cretin Ikari into a grease stain, m'self. :D |
| 06:02.54 | silverpower | As consistent ending, D&R+EoE is the better one. I like Ep25/26 because it's a good mindfuck (when you're in the mood for that sort of thing.), and there's some REALLY cool music. |
| 06:03.34 | fishhead | wait I thought he was dead |
| 06:03.55 | silverpower | Suzahara? No. He gets killed later. |
| 06:04.10 | fishhead | yeah ikaro is a cock sucker |
| 06:04.17 | silverpower | In EoE. Instrumentality is like that. |
| 06:04.25 | fishhead | wtf are the angels anyways |
| 06:05.59 | fishhead | and the ending made 0 sense |
| 06:06.01 | fishhead | it was just lame |
| 06:06.03 | silverpower | Depends on who you ask. |
| 06:06.10 | fishhead | depends |
| 06:06.12 | fishhead | fuck thst |
| 06:07.34 | silverpower | I think that basically, they were evolutionary competitors with humans. Humans are the 18th Angel, and the other Angels are simply alternate branches of the species. |
| 06:07.44 | fishhead | don't mess with my head it's already messed up enough |
| 06:07.47 | fishhead | ah ok |
| 06:08.12 | silverpower | Naturally, we humans use the Evangelions to bitchslap the Angels back to the bottom of the food chain. |
| 06:08.27 | fishhead | welll didn't we lose at the end |
| 06:08.39 | silverpower | Ep25/26? Hard to say. |
| 06:08.48 | silverpower | EoE, we won. |
| 06:08.54 | silverpower | I think. |
| 06:08.56 | fishhead | how |
| 06:08.58 | fishhead | we all metled |
| 06:08.59 | fishhead | wtf |
| 06:09.14 | silverpower | Shinji did a bit of sorting, IIRC. |
| 06:09.58 | silverpower | He seperated those who wouldn't care much for life as a singular entity from the rest of the souls. |
| 06:11.14 | silverpower | Because that was the whole point of the exercise - to ram together all of humanity into a collective singular entity, whether they liked it or not. |
| 06:11.24 | silverpower | Some would like it. I sure wouldn't. |
| 06:11.42 | fishhead | yeah that's a joke |
| 06:12.00 | silverpower | Being 'incomplete' is a small price to pay for having your own mental space, IMO. |
| 06:12.08 | fishhead | yeah |
| 06:13.16 | silverpower | If you want it for yourself, that's fine. If others agree with you, fine. Just don't drag me into your little meta-soul thingy, KTHXBYE. |
| 06:13.27 | fishhead | yeah that pisses me off |
| 06:14.24 | silverpower | fishhead: the ambigiousness of Ep25/26 is this: What choice did he make? He either re-seperated everyone, or decided not to do anything. |
| 06:15.42 | silverpower | That's partly why Ep25/26 isn't exactly canonical, anyway. EoE is the *official* ending. Ep25/26 is an alternate ending. |
| 06:15.56 | fishhead | oooo kay |
| 06:16.03 | fishhead | no wonder the authore was sucidal |
| 06:16.49 | fishhead | i'll stick to scrapped princess |
| 06:16.50 | fishhead | chobits |
| 06:16.51 | fishhead | gto |
| 06:16.55 | silverpower | He got over that shit. Watch 'His and Her Circumstances' sometime, a lot of the NGE team did that, including Anno. |
| 06:16.58 | fishhead | initial-d |
| 06:17.19 | fishhead | martian sucessor nabeso |
| 06:17.22 | fishhead | full metal panic |
| 06:17.30 | fishhead | full metal alchemist |
| 06:17.40 | fishhead | naruto was getting awesome butth sream went away |
| 06:17.49 | fishhead | cartoon network picked i tup but it's going to take months to get to that poinht |
| 06:17.53 | fishhead | oh btw |
| 06:17.54 | fishhead | WTF |
| 06:18.02 | fishhead | THEY LEAVE IN THE NAKKED CHICK REFERENCE |
| 06:18.08 | fishhead | BUT WON'T ALLOW THE NOSE BLEEDS |
| 06:18.22 | silverpower | What version of ID do you watch, anyway? |
| 06:18.28 | fishhead | 2ND |
| 06:18.42 | fishhead | 2nd season |
| 06:18.48 | silverpower | Not that. |
| 06:18.56 | fishhead | oh I saw the live too |
| 06:18.59 | fishhead | not bad |
| 06:19.11 | silverpower | i.e. Who translated it? TP or fansubbers? |
| 06:19.20 | fishhead | fansubs |
| 06:19.57 | fishhead | TP? |
| 06:20.50 | silverpower | TokyoPop. They own the US distro rights to most of the stages, and the mangas, too. |
| 06:21.15 | fishhead | and I guess they suck? |
| 06:21.57 | silverpower | Trust me. After watching the first few minutes of 1st Stage Act 1, you too will be reaching for the scalpel. |
| 06:22.40 | silverpower | They took it from a technically well-done series to utter riciness. |
| 06:23.28 | silverpower | Including *fartcan* sounds, and the rotaries don't sound right - more like... I don't know... a misfiring weed whacker? |
| 06:23.44 | silverpower | Yeah, that's a good way to describe it. |
| 06:25.02 | silverpower | The dub is utterly mutilated, and has roughly the lipsync quality of your average Toho film or a cheap '60s kung-fu film. Gah! |
| 06:25.36 | silverpower | actually, that would be an insult to Toho and cheap kung-fu flicks. |
| 06:25.47 | silverpower | It's BAD. |
| 06:26.16 | silverpower | It's .50-caliber-lobotomy BAD. |
| 06:26.52 | fishhead | hhe |
| 06:27.56 | silverpower | Trust me, by the time they get to 4th Stage, the eps'll be nine minutes long. |
| 06:28.16 | silverpower | Hope ADVision or another translation company gets the license next time. |
| 06:29.49 | silverpower | I remember hearing that some of the original Initial D translators ended up leaving. They had finished the 1st volume of the manga and had the first act's script ready to go, then Management comes in and demands that they mutilate it. |
| 06:30.31 | silverpower | And now the plot is more incomprehensible than NGE Ep25/26, if such a thing can be imagined. |
| 06:31.15 | silverpower | If you ever get a copy of the uncensored 1st volume, KEEP IT. They're extremely rare, and the translation is very well-done. |
| 06:31.36 | fishhead | thx |
| 06:31.44 | fishhead | I hope in future |
| 06:31.49 | fishhead | they have pay downloads of anime |
| 06:32.00 | silverpower | ...that would be awesome. |
| 06:32.56 | silverpower | Alternately, I'd settle for an NHK+TBS+J-PPV feed. |
| 06:33.48 | silverpower | Well, just a J-PPV feed would be fine. |
| 06:34.08 | silverpower | That way we can at least get the Japanese raws quicker. |
| 06:34.48 | silverpower | (J-PPV - Japanese pay-per-view service.) |
| 06:35.46 | silverpower | That's the downside of living in the States - you lag way behind Japanese and European release schedules. |
| 06:36.29 | silverpower | There's quite a few Japanese games sold in Europe that have been translated, but a good chunk of them haven't come out here. |
| 06:37.24 | fishhead | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=77P1636&cat=HDD&cpc=JAD |
| 06:37.36 | silverpower | (FFX-International, Assault Suits Valken (okay, it's a crappy port, but STILL), Kaido Battle 2: Chain Reaction, to name a few.) |
| 06:38.05 | fishhead | full metal panic was good |
| 06:38.08 | fishhead | have not seen 2nd series |
| 06:38.15 | fishhead | or ffmu wtf ever |
| 06:38.31 | fishhead | full metal alchemist made me phsyically ill |
| 06:38.40 | fishhead | after I saw what that father did to his own kid |
| 06:38.45 | fishhead | I couldn't watch it anymore |
| 06:38.58 | fishhead | even elfen lied wasn't that disturbing |
| 06:39.02 | silverpower | wicked! If I ever get another Libretto, I'm so installing that. |
| 06:39.12 | fishhead | I wish I had one ;P |
| 06:39.22 | silverpower | Haven't seen FMA, and after that, I'm not particularly interested. |
| 06:40.46 | fishhead | guy turns hid daugther into a half man half dog beast |
| 06:40.55 | fishhead | just to improve his alchemist skills |
| 06:41.02 | silverpower | ...and then it explodes. |
| 06:41.06 | fishhead | no |
| 06:41.21 | silverpower | ...damn, that's what I thought had happened. |
| 06:41.21 | fishhead | another alchemist who is kinda a religious nut |
| 06:41.26 | fishhead | put it out of it's miser |
| 06:41.36 | fishhead | deconstructs it |
| 06:42.02 | silverpower | Kills it, or seperates the 'components'? |
| 06:43.25 | silverpower | either way, that's pretty sick. |
| 06:43.54 | fishhead | seperates |
| 06:44.34 | silverpower | ah. |
| 06:45.25 | fishhead | it's about this kid and his bother |
| 06:45.37 | fishhead | try to remake their mom's bod |
| 06:45.41 | fishhead | and bring her back from the dead |
| 06:45.53 | fishhead | bu alcemy has rules |
| 06:46.00 | fishhead | conversevation of mass |
| 06:46.05 | fishhead | taes the kids's arm, leg |
| 06:46.12 | fishhead | takes the other kid's entire body |
| 06:46.17 | fishhead | and they get nothing |
| 06:46.33 | fishhead | but the kid is able to bind his brother's soul to a coat of arms |
| 06:46.40 | fishhead | so it like walks around and walks and stuff |
| 06:46.43 | fishhead | but it's empty |
| 06:47.56 | silverpower | ...yeesh. |
| 06:48.09 | silverpower | So all that effort, and they roll all ones. |
| 06:48.34 | fishhead | na they stribe to become master alchemists and get their bodies back |
| 06:48.54 | silverpower | Ah. |
| 06:49.59 | silverpower | (Roll all ones - in SR3 (pen/paper RPG), a one is a slight fuckup, and all ones is a real, real BAD fuckup.) |
| 06:51.02 | silverpower | ...what? So I read Dumpshock. |
| 06:56.14 | silverpower | anyway, I'll pull it down sometime. |
| 06:57.03 | silverpower | Do you watch any of the Gundam series? |
| 07:05.45 | silverpower | O.O ...there's a 12-page thread on SR3 vs. SR4? Whoa. |
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| 14:42.47 | jbevren | Morning Ken |
| 14:43.32 | GPSFan | jbevren: g'day.. |
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| 19:51.35 | prpplague | not i |
| 19:54.33 | beeble | customer wants a x86 design :( |
| 19:54.43 | prpplague | barf |
| 19:55.31 | beeble | and the managment of course. PROFIT! LETS DO IT! |
| 19:55.39 | beeble | :(^2 |
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| 20:36.12 | fishhead | how about I be the idiot with the tons of ide devices, pci devices and dimm chips to test on the ppc board guy |
| 20:55.53 | fishhead | you guys think the webpal can handle mp3 playback |
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| 21:41.56 | jbevren | some company in cedar rapids wants embedded developers |
| 21:48.54 | fishhead | go for it |
| 21:48.58 | fishhead | you have the talent |
| 21:51.16 | fishhead | damn |
| 21:51.21 | fishhead | I think they sent me the wrong meter |
| 21:51.25 | fishhead | going to have to email them |
| 21:51.34 | fishhead | I think they sent me like the $50 model |
| 22:05.55 | fishhead | jbevren, can you ask t0mw to take me off ignore for a while |
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| 22:12.13 | jbevren | I'm not in his channel :P |
| 22:23.44 | beeble | try a museum ;) |
| 22:28.36 | jbevren | no doubt |
| 22:28.51 | jbevren | my happy hacking dock came with a 3.5" floppy that holds the palmOS driver |
| 22:50.37 | jbevren | yay |
| 22:50.48 | jbevren | found it on fujitsu's japanese site |
| 22:56.34 | fishhead | heh I have tons of floppies |
| 22:56.38 | fishhead | drives |
| 22:56.46 | fishhead | and about 500 disks I have to sort thru still |
| 22:56.49 | jbevren | I have one in my p4 laptop but it doesnt work |
| 22:56.49 | fishhead | once I get a machine up for that |
| 22:57.02 | fishhead | might use the cachless celeron 266 box for this |
| 22:57.11 | fishhead | not like cache is going to probably help grepping etc |
| 22:57.23 | fishhead | or recovering data from damaged floppies and cdr's |
| 23:09.43 | fishhead | I am sure you can find the file online |
| 23:09.48 | fishhead | do you have any windows boxes ? |
| 23:13.20 | fishhead | http://www.eeproductcenter.com/electromech/brief/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=178601857 |
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