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| 02:19.25 | fishhead | hey |
| 02:19.39 | fishhead | 40 mhz arm, maye 56mhz if I oc it to the other speed grade it came in |
| 02:19.44 | fishhead | any chance of mp3 playback really? |
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| 02:25.33 | fishhead | joe |
| 02:25.36 | fishhead | know much about arm |
| 02:31.37 | joe_bleau | very little |
| 02:34.50 | sunrunner20 | depends fishhead |
| 02:35.02 | fishhead | well I have a webpal |
| 02:35.11 | fishhead | and I think the reality is it's not going to be used for anything much |
| 02:35.20 | fishhead | so I might disconnect the wireless keyboard and mouse support |
| 02:35.21 | sunrunner20 | wazzat? |
| 02:35.23 | fishhead | and smart card reader |
| 02:35.27 | fishhead | to get back 5 i/o lines |
| 02:35.37 | fishhead | and use it as a irc box |
| 02:35.44 | fishhead | always irc from it using vnc or NX |
| 02:36.09 | fishhead | hang on I iwll get info |
| 02:37.17 | sunrunner20 | wait |
| 02:37.59 | sunrunner20 | nm |
| 02:38.05 | sunrunner20 | i know my T|T can do playback |
| 02:38.08 | sunrunner20 | but its 144mhz :\ |
| 02:39.29 | fishhead | yeah I am thinking about stripping this and using it as a headless 24/7 box |
| 02:39.35 | sunrunner20 | hmm |
| 02:39.39 | sunrunner20 | i have a shitload of simm's |
| 02:39.55 | sunrunner20 | dunno if they still work |
| 02:40.02 | sunrunner20 | i tossed them all on the carpet the other day |
| 02:40.51 | joe_bleau | GPSFan: bootloader v1.1.6 update successful! |
| 02:50.01 | sunrunner20 | if you REALLY wanted to you could hack up the fdd spot probally and put access to a hardware mp3 decoder |
| 02:50.39 | sunrunner20 | wait |
| 02:50.42 | sunrunner20 | what am i saying |
| 02:50.44 | sunrunner20 | i've got no clue |
| 02:51.28 | sunrunner20 | ISA slot |
| 02:51.42 | sunrunner20 | maby pci->isa adapter for sound card w/ hardware mp3 decoding |
| 02:55.33 | sunrunner20 | http://shop.pcmag.com/shop/product/Voyetra+Turtle+Beach+Santa+Cruz/20212150.aspx |
| 03:08.19 | joe_bleau | GPSFan: unattended boot into busybox (tftp kernel, nfs userland) successful! |
| 03:08.22 | joe_bleau | Very nice work. Just a few loose ends to tie up. |
| 03:09.06 | joe_bleau | I'd reco fixing the default environment to be a little more useful; maybe a ethernet MAC address and tftp or disk boot args |
| 03:09.47 | fishhead | sunrunner20, not worth it |
| 03:09.48 | joe_bleau | You left out the 'ported to the DHT Walnut by GPSFan' line in the code as well |
| 03:09.53 | fishhead | I can put in a pc just as easily |
| 03:10.17 | sunrunner20 | :p |
| 03:10.32 | sunrunner20 | best stuff on those things is the wireless 'n shit |
| 03:10.38 | sunrunner20 | maby an mini-itx board will work |
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| 03:37.50 | GPSFan_ | joe_bleau hey, I flashed my other board earlier this evening, worked fine. I did zero out the 30000 bytes I put the binary into just to be sure. btw it boots the 2.6.15 denx kernel and ramdisk image just fine. |
| 03:39.15 | sunrunner20 | rotflmao |
| 03:39.24 | sunrunner20 | imagin killing someobdy with a SATA cable lol |
| 03:45.56 | joe_bleau_ | Oh, and you're \;\ trick worked great. |
| 03:46.08 | joe_bleau_ | I looked through that source file, but I didn't see anything obvious |
| 03:46.27 | joe_bleau_ | If there's a bug, I think it's in the command parsing, not in the environment stuff |
| 03:47.54 | joe_bleau_ | Oh, I also switched to 115.2k and did a 'md' of the enitre 1.1.2 bootloader. |
| 03:48.12 | joe_bleau_ | Not sure why, but I thought a backup might be prudent. |
| 03:49.46 | joe_bleau_ | Are you going to write up a procedure and upload to the Wiki, or should I? |
| 03:49.57 | joe_bleau_ | Either way, I'd feel better if you were to upload the new images |
| 03:50.09 | GPSFan_ | I have a .srec of the 1.12 bl good for archives. |
| 03:50.24 | joe_bleau_ | How'd you get it as s-record? |
| 03:51.31 | GPSFan_ | I can upload the patch & bins if you want. I used the flash program from the ocd commander folks, it won't write ther flash (untill you pay $$) but it will read and save it to disk. |
| 03:51.57 | joe_bleau_ | Doh. I saw it last night, but didn't bother downloading. I should--that could be useful. |
| 03:52.17 | joe_bleau_ | (Actually I use their flash program all the time at work--it was included in our SingleStep package.) |
| 03:53.11 | GPSFan_ | they want $500 for the fully functional version, I might consider it if I were doing this for a living,considering how well ocd commander works. it supports a LOT of cpu & flash chips. |
| 03:53.35 | fishhead | GPS |
| 03:53.45 | fishhead | 40 or 56mhz arm7 core |
| 03:53.46 | fishhead | mmu |
| 03:53.53 | GPSFan_ | fishhead: you should use tab completion. |
| 03:53.55 | fishhead | mp3 playback capable really? or not really |
| 03:54.12 | GPSFan_ | fishhead: what platform? |
| 03:54.22 | joe_bleau_ | (The webpal also has an FPU...) |
| 03:54.42 | fishhead | but not supported |
| 03:54.42 | GPSFan_ | joe_bleau_: yeah, but it's non-standard. |
| 03:54.44 | fishhead | at all in linux |
| 03:54.50 | fishhead | GPS webpalk |
| 03:55.08 | fishhead | I am thining of removing the wireless keyboard and mouse support and smart card reader |
| 03:55.12 | fishhead | to get back 5 i/o lines |
| 03:55.19 | fishhead | or just use the box for irc |
| 03:55.24 | fishhead | it will run irc clients 24/7 |
| 03:55.29 | fishhead | and I will just X into it or vnc in |
| 03:55.42 | fishhead | it doesn't appear to be worthwild as a mp3 player |
| 03:56.01 | GPSFan_ | fishhead: I have a webpad doing a web server & weatherstation interface, I have also had one running X. The Zipit has problems decoding higher bitrate mp3's, I think the webpal would have more... |
| 03:56.16 | GPSFan_ | s/webpad/webpal |
| 03:56.26 | fishhead | so it's audio is worthless like I guessed |
| 03:56.50 | fishhead | no real reason to leave the wireless on it then either |
| 03:56.59 | fishhead | reclaim the 8051 and the i/o lines |
| 03:57.05 | GPSFan_ | not worthless, just not capable. it probably could handle playback using remotePCM. I use that on my Zipit. |
| 03:58.45 | fishhead | yeah but I can do that with any box :P |
| 03:59.10 | fishhead | what I am trying to do here is before I commit this thing to headless life |
| 03:59.19 | fishhead | want to make sure nothing redeeming to keep it otherwise |
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| 04:09.37 | fishhead | sounds like it's best just as a headless box |
| 04:09.50 | fishhead | is there a dummy video driver for X |
| 04:09.54 | fishhead | for a box that is a X server |
| 04:10.01 | fishhead | feeds to xterminals |
| 04:13.31 | joe_bleau_ | Oh, someone is updating the Wiki... |
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| 04:15.26 | fishhead | problem is I need to find a 32 meg 2k refresh simm |
| 04:15.29 | fishhead | :/ |
| 04:19.44 | fishhead | X with 4 xchat's open should run ok right ? |
| 04:19.48 | fishhead | on 32 meg of ram |
| 04:19.54 | fishhead | all the machine will ever do |
| 04:22.11 | GPSFan | joe_bleau_: check out the wiki (which I hate too) I added the patch & bin for ppcboot 1.1.6. |
| 04:22.35 | joe_bleau_ | Good, it wouldn't let me edit while you were busy. I've got a rough update procedure writen...you'll want to proof it. |
| 04:23.03 | GPSFan | k. |
| 04:25.19 | fishhead | GPSfan I will be gone tomarrow but monday I wouldn't mind starting to work on my PPC board |
| 04:25.29 | fishhead | might be busy monday too, trying to get tables setup here |
| 04:25.35 | fishhead | I can't sit on the floor anymore |
| 04:25.39 | fishhead | my legs are in bad shape |
| 04:26.54 | GPSFan | fishhead: have at it, the bootloader is 99% done, and the patch is posted so anyone can work on it now. the Kernel & userspace could use some work. I'll not be around most of next week. |
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| 04:27.08 | fishhead | but the bootloader is 100% brick proof ? |
| 04:29.29 | GPSFan | fishhead: nothing is 100% anything, you can still brick it easily, like me I uploaded and flashed a .jpg instead of the bootloader binary. |
| 04:29.59 | fishhead | well I will have to have you guys hold my hand |
| 04:30.01 | fishhead | when I do it :) |
| 04:30.29 | GPSFan | there will be prodedures on the wiki to follow. |
| 04:30.46 | joe_bleau_ | I've got it, just fighting the formatting |
| 04:31.18 | fishhead | man I love hannibal lector |
| 04:31.19 | GPSFan | joe_bleau_: I fight that wiki every time I use it, grrr.. |
| 04:31.27 | fishhead | God I love him |
| 04:31.31 | fishhead | not in a gay way you freaks :P |
| 04:31.37 | fishhead | I am so sick of lame 1d crooks |
| 04:31.42 | fishhead | who are dumb as a pos |
| 04:31.43 | fishhead | t |
| 04:31.49 | joe_bleau_ | And when it's not fighting back, it's so slow as to be unuseable. |
| 04:32.25 | GPSFan | indeed. |
| 04:32.35 | fishhead | his mannerisms |
| 04:32.39 | fishhead | his culture |
| 04:32.40 | fishhead | etc |
| 04:32.42 | fishhead | man it's great |
| 04:34.36 | joe_bleau_ | OK, read it over. |
| 04:35.15 | joe_bleau_ | Uh, where did it go and what is this interwiki crap. |
| 04:35.18 | joe_bleau_ | DAMMIT. |
| 04:37.27 | GPSFan | it looks great, I was going to ask about the /Interwiki. I might add the zero out of the 400000-430000 area. |
| 04:37.35 | joe_bleau_ | Can you see it? |
| 04:38.23 | GPSFan | yeah, clikc on the /interwiki link. |
| 04:38.24 | joe_bleau_ | OK, I see where I went wrong |
| 04:38.42 | joe_bleau_ | Fixing that crap. Whoever set the email update sub is going to hate me today. |
| 04:40.43 | GPSFan | looks goon now.. |
| 04:40.58 | GPSFan | s/goon/good |
| 04:40.58 | joe_bleau_ | goon, or ghetto? |
| 04:41.39 | GPSFan | mine looks ghetto, yours looks good. |
| 04:41.39 | joe_bleau_ | One of us should probably remove those busted versions from last week |
| 04:41.44 | joe_bleau_ | Especially my crashloader... |
| 04:42.05 | GPSFan | this is the first embedded system I've had a 2.6 kernel running on. a recent one too! |
| 04:42.19 | GPSFan | have at it.. |
| 04:42.32 | joe_bleau_ | I guess I need to put the brick recovery procedure up too. |
| 04:42.40 | joe_bleau_ | See anything obviously wrong/missing? |
| 04:43.07 | joe_bleau_ | I went from my console log, so it's pretty accurate. But I could have fubar'd during the edit/format/wiki crap. |
| 04:43.10 | fishhead | oh btw guys |
| 04:43.17 | fishhead | they did send me the wrong one |
| 04:43.22 | fishhead | meter wise but they said keep it :) |
| 04:43.23 | GPSFan | not as of now you can upload the .srec file it is the latest. |
| 04:44.02 | joe_bleau_ | So the ram resident s-record file you sent me hasn't changed? |
| 04:45.43 | GPSFan | not lately, I may do some cleanup tomorrow, maybe even put in a build option for the ram based version, but the one you have is useable. |
| 04:45.59 | joe_bleau_ | Should we remove the note about ethernet, IDE, and 115.2k serial not working? |
| 04:46.08 | joe_bleau_ | Gotcha, thanks. |
| 04:46.26 | joe_bleau_ | Well, what next? |
| 04:46.40 | GPSFan | and of course if they care enough to have jtag, they are pobably able to rebuild a new image. |
| 04:47.29 | joe_bleau_ | HEY! I have jtag, but I'm not sure I can build an image. |
| 04:47.38 | GPSFan | maybe a summery of useful ppcboot commands to get to a working autoboot. |
| 04:48.03 | GPSFan | I'm sure you can. |
| 04:48.16 | joe_bleau_ | Hmm. What's the most common boot source? I doubt that my situation is relevant (openbsd/sparc serving tftp and nfs) |
| 04:48.45 | GPSFan | I think many people will want to boot of hdd. |
| 04:49.02 | GPSFan | or an hdd like device, compact flash... |
| 04:49.03 | joe_bleau_ | I'm also thinking about moving the jtag/OCD stuff over to another page, to reduce the clutter. |
| 04:49.28 | GPSFan | yeah, that main page is getting cluttered. |
| 04:49.28 | joe_bleau_ | I don't know how to make a drive bootable on this board. |
| 04:49.50 | joe_bleau_ | I'm not comfortable writing environment strings I can't really test yet. |
| 04:49.56 | joe_bleau_ | I know, excuse are like |
| 04:49.59 | GPSFan | http://www.denx.de/wiki/view/DULG/UsingPCCard |
| 04:50.58 | GPSFan | that's for u-boot, but the commands are the same and work the same too. |
| 04:51.59 | joe_bleau_ | Is fdisk part of busybox? |
| 04:52.08 | GPSFan | most of what differentiates uboot is the foreign processor support. I lifted a couple of things from the latest uboot for 1.16 |
| 04:53.23 | GPSFan | depends on how bb was built, I have a userland for ppc kernel 2.4 that has all the e2fs progs as well. doesn't work with the 2.6 kernel from DENX, but jbevren used it the other day. |
| 04:57.22 | GPSFan | I gotta archive all this stuff to... tomorrow.. |
| 04:58.14 | joe_bleau_ | Well, I think that even if I can't cross compile a kernel or build a nice userland setup, there are plenty of people around that will. |
| 04:58.30 | joe_bleau_ | Now that the bootloader is fixed, I expect to see plenty of action in the next few weeks |
| 04:59.34 | GPSFan | BGmicro won't know what hit them, they willsell out real fast, this is a great development platform, as well a a good way to learn about jtag. |
| 05:00.35 | joe_bleau_ | And ppc, which is what attracted me |
| 05:00.49 | joe_bleau_ | BTW, J5. Any speculation? |
| 05:01.40 | GPSFan | I was playing with my A3000 when I saw your post about this one. jo clue about J5. I could ring out a few lines, I guess, maybe the other serial port? |
| 05:01.50 | GPSFan | s/jo/no |
| 05:02.10 | joe_bleau_ | Hey, what's the spec on the A3000? |
| 05:02.19 | joe_bleau_ | I saw something on ebay the other day |
| 05:02.25 | joe_bleau_ | Not sure if it's the same deal or not. |
| 05:02.44 | GPSFan | ppc mpc8245, fast ethernet, 3 3V pci slots. |
| 05:02.51 | joe_bleau_ | Nope. |
| 05:03.10 | GPSFan | ppcboot1.1.6 ;>) |
| 05:03.17 | joe_bleau_ | No way! |
| 05:03.28 | GPSFan | 8M flash dimm with 128M |
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| 05:04.15 | joe_bleau_ | I have a stack of hot PMC boards, but no docs |
| 05:04.30 | GPSFan | jbevren: sorphin: & I bought some a whie back. they were about $65-75 on ebay, all gone now. |
| 05:04.31 | fishhead | pMC seems to know their shit |
| 05:04.40 | silverpower | PMC? |
| 05:04.47 | fishhead | GPS you know MPC cpu's ? |
| 05:04.57 | GPSFan | what sort of pmc boards, I have some cpci chassis with pmc slots. |
| 05:05.42 | joe_bleau_ | Artesyn PM/PPC (458 MHz, 256MB, 16MB flash, 10Mbit ethernet) |
| 05:06.04 | GPSFan | processor? |
| 05:06.08 | joe_bleau_ | Some PPC |
| 05:06.49 | joe_bleau_ | PowerPC 750 sound about right? |
| 05:06.54 | fishhead | silver pmc-sierra |
| 05:07.04 | fishhead | they do all these cards and telco boards etc |
| 05:07.06 | GPSFan | ok, I have a motorola HA-MCP750 that I got linux going on a couple of years ago, it had ppcboot too. |
| 05:07.13 | fishhead | they are like the honda of that field or something :P |
| 05:08.27 | GPSFan | it was a real pain cause PREP isn't the most common architecture, heck of a time with the kernel. |
| 05:09.03 | silverpower | Got a friend who does QC on various IBM/AMCC boards. |
| 05:09.21 | silverpower | (and no, I'm not going to ask him to pocket a sample for me.) |
| 05:09.53 | GPSFan | silverpower: I was gonna say that if you got any they would probly be the ones that didn't work ;>) |
| 05:10.09 | silverpower | GPSFan: indeed. |
| 05:10.24 | fishhead | GPS |
| 05:10.33 | fishhead | you might want to take shot at this then |
| 05:11.27 | fishhead | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/Main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=NET10330 |
| 05:12.11 | silverpower | Link didn't work. |
| 05:12.18 | fishhead | try again |
| 05:12.22 | GPSFan | fishhead: cheap, but too little ram & flash to be useful. |
| 05:12.29 | fishhead | dude $5 |
| 05:12.30 | silverpower | what's it under? |
| 05:12.35 | fishhead | might be able to hack another flash onto it |
| 05:12.41 | fishhead | silverpower $5 router |
| 05:12.43 | fishhead | wireless |
| 05:13.15 | GPSFan | fishhead: webpals were ~$6 I have several of them waiting for projects. |
| 05:13.29 | fishhead | I only have one :/ |
| 05:15.44 | GPSFan | fishhead: you gotta pick the projects youwork on, they have to give something back for all the work put into them. just because something is cheap doesn't mean you gotta go out and get one and invest mucho time trying to hack on it. |
| 05:16.00 | fishhead | oh I understand |
| 05:16.02 | fishhead | I agree 100% |
| 05:16.09 | fishhead | all I wanted for you is to read th eurl |
| 05:16.12 | fishhead | if you say not worth it |
| 05:16.14 | fishhead | not worth it :) |
| 05:16.22 | fishhead | for you |
| 05:16.29 | GPSFan | not for me but maybe for someone else. |
| 05:20.00 | fishhead | but you defintely think mp3 is out of the question with the webpal ? |
| 05:20.29 | fishhead | HOLY MOTHER OF CANUCK |
| 05:20.33 | fishhead | THESE UV LEDS i GOT ARE UV-A |
| 05:20.42 | GPSFan | fishhead: not worth the effort. |
| 05:20.47 | fishhead | isn't that the "fuck shit up" wavelength of uv |
| 05:20.50 | fishhead | including flesh |
| 05:20.58 | fishhead | GPS that's all i wanted to confirm |
| 05:21.06 | fishhead | before I put this thing into a nitch |
| 05:21.14 | fishhead | so I don't feel guilty wasting a resource |
| 05:21.30 | GPSFan | joe_bleau_: catch you tomorrow... |
| 05:22.09 | joe_bleau_ | Later, GPS. I'm writing recovery now, please proof it when you get a chance. |
| 05:22.19 | silverpower | fishhead: what're you going to do with it? |
| 05:22.27 | fishhead | irc box |
| 05:22.28 | fishhead | headless |
| 05:22.38 | fishhead | instead of trying to run mirc and xchat on windows boxes |
| 05:22.43 | silverpower | The webpal, I mean. |
| 05:22.49 | fishhead | also means I can go to another machine and see the same session |
| 05:22.55 | fishhead | that's what I am talking about |
| 05:23.03 | fishhead | dedicated irc rig |
| 05:24.15 | fishhead | damn that router is tempting |
| 05:25.39 | fishhead | anyone I told about that meter, it was too good to be true, they sent me the $50 one by accident instead of the $20 one |
| 05:25.41 | fishhead | silver |
| 05:27.20 | silverpower | hmm? |
| 05:28.08 | fishhead | they said I could keep it though :) |
| 05:28.15 | silverpower | Awesome. |
| 05:28.32 | silverpower | I don't really get what the Juicebox is useful for. |
| 05:29.07 | fishhead | well I am thinking mostly |
| 05:29.13 | fishhead | going to put in a 512kb flash rom |
| 05:29.17 | fishhead | and just a simple terminal os |
| 05:29.21 | fishhead | makes it a graphical lcd |
| 05:29.23 | fishhead | nothing else |
| 05:29.25 | silverpower | After all, SD cards are pretty expensive, and you can only store a few livesets. |
| 05:29.40 | joe_bleau_ | I liked the JB. |
| 05:29.45 | joe_bleau_ | Still do. |
| 05:29.52 | joe_bleau_ | Need to hack on it some more. |
| 05:30.17 | silverpower | I wonder if it can take an IDE or similar interface. |
| 05:30.21 | fishhead | na |
| 05:30.29 | fishhead | not enough i/o etc there |
| 05:31.37 | silverpower | I also heard that it can only play 192kbit CBR mp3 files. |
| 05:32.07 | fishhead | 128 |
| 05:32.14 | fishhead | I never got it for video or music bro |
| 05:32.22 | fishhead | I got them to hack up as a little computer or just a terminal |
| 05:32.32 | fishhead | 240x160 lcd 4096 colors |
| 05:32.36 | fishhead | I can think of several uses |
| 05:33.31 | fishhead | I just need a terminal os that works for juicebox |
| 05:33.35 | silverpower | joe_bleau_: I wouldn't mind playing with one, but the limitations on the device are both arbitrary and annoying. |
| 05:33.40 | fishhead | and a way to easily remove and put on a tsop-48 rom |
| 05:33.51 | fishhead | silver well if you can get them for $10 or less |
| 05:33.53 | fishhead | might be worth it |
| 05:33.56 | fishhead | the lcd itself is worth that much |
| 05:35.03 | joe_bleau_ | Well, I had fun with it. Got to do a ton of reverse engineering, arm+jtag work, cross compiling, and best of all, a semi-crummy color LCD to figure out. |
| 05:35.24 | joe_bleau_ | One of these days I may actually use it as the basis of a project, but that's optional. |
| 05:35.34 | joe_bleau_ | It served it purpose; a cheap learning toy. |
| 05:35.53 | silverpower | Ah, so that's the attraction. |
| 05:36.01 | joe_bleau_ | Well, it was for me. |
| 05:36.35 | joe_bleau_ | prpplague did a ton of work on it |
| 05:36.45 | joe_bleau_ | I got in late and mainly just watched. |
| 05:36.55 | joe_bleau_ | But I'd like to think I learned a little bit. |
| 05:37.19 | joe_bleau_ | After all, some of us dropped out of the EE program and have to learn it in the street. |
| 05:37.46 | silverpower | joe_bleau_: haha. |
| 05:39.02 | silverpower | Still, I figure I want to learn this stuff sometime. |
| 05:40.15 | silverpower | fishhead: If you want to learn chording keyboards, and can figure out a five-button layout, the JB could be used to IRC without a keyboard. :) |
| 05:40.23 | joe_bleau_ | I think there are two reasons I like this sort of hacking: I'm really cheap, so there's a 'something for nothing' factor if you can bend a JB or PPC board to your will |
| 05:40.44 | fishhead | silver |
| 05:40.46 | fishhead | I have a palm |
| 05:40.48 | fishhead | no thx |
| 05:40.53 | fishhead | hate no keyboard |
| 05:41.01 | joe_bleau_ | the other side is the reverse engineering and trying to determine what the designer's had in mind, and what they got wrong. |
| 05:41.29 | joe_bleau_ | A purchased dev board with schematic and instructions doesn't hold the same mystery. |
| 05:42.04 | fishhead | I am not at that level joe_bleau_ |
| 05:42.11 | fishhead | I like to take something and tape it to something |
| 05:42.14 | silverpower | Ah! Suddenly, that throws the GBA projects I used to be interested in in a whole new light. |
| 05:42.14 | fishhead | and have it do something |
| 05:42.40 | joe_bleau_ | silverpower: How's that? |
| 05:44.22 | silverpower | joe_bleau_: The reason why somebody would even bother writing for such a cramped environment, or hack an SMS keyboard in. |
| 05:44.48 | joe_bleau_ | cramped? |
| 05:45.13 | silverpower | Roughly 256kb of memory total. |
| 05:45.42 | joe_bleau_ | That's medium to large in many parts of the embedded world. |
| 05:47.18 | silverpower | Ah, but the way it's laid out, you run out of RAM space quickly. |
| 05:48.00 | silverpower | That said, uclinux boots on it. Not that you can really do much useful with it, but still. |
| 05:50.05 | silverpower | One of the most interesting uses I've seen is (on a GBA-SP) IMing, with a custom 8mbit flash, a Wi-Fi chipset, and a SMS keyboard installed. Worked pretty well, too. |
| 05:51.16 | joe_bleau_ | JTAG recovery instructions up |
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| 06:07.30 | fishhead | joe for the ppc board? |
| 06:08.12 | joe_bleau_ | Yes, just in case someone managed to brick one. |
| 06:09.09 | silverpower | joe_bleau_: Where's the JTAG located, and what would I need to wire it up? It doesn't make that particularly clear. |
| 06:09.48 | joe_bleau_ | Front page of the DHT-Walnut wiki: "PPC40XX JTAG on J10" |
| 06:12.48 | fishhead | nice |
| 06:13.00 | fishhead | i am scared to death of bricking my webpal or ppc |
| 06:13.04 | fishhead | so thw webpal sat for yrs |
| 06:13.25 | silverpower | Ah, finally found it. |
| 06:13.28 | joe_bleau_ | The recovery method for the webpal involves hot swapping the flash simm (I had to do it twice, I think) |
| 06:15.12 | silverpower | And using a 110W soldering gun would be pretty damned stupid. |
| 06:17.53 | silverpower | (Yes, I know that soldering guns are cheap. I live 3mi away from my rat shack, though. :S |
| 06:18.06 | silverpower | s/guns/irons |
| 06:20.15 | fishhead | I think I am going to disable irda on the webpal |
| 06:20.20 | fishhead | and the smart card reader which is worthless |
| 06:20.27 | fishhead | and reclaim the 5 lines going to the cpu |
| 06:20.36 | fishhead | mabye we can use them for something |
| 06:20.52 | fishhead | oh I guess the keyboard and mouse speak a common irda protocol |
| 06:21.01 | fishhead | so you could use them with a pc with a ir receiver |
| 06:21.21 | silverpower | fishhead: irda with an adapter can simulate a RS-232 port. Very handy, it is. |
| 06:21.45 | joe_bleau_ | Webpal isn't IrDA |
| 06:21.49 | fishhead | no I mean so I won't destroy this keyboard and mouse |
| 06:21.53 | fishhead | if I don't use them with the webpal |
| 06:21.59 | fishhead | they can be used with something else |
| 06:22.07 | fishhead | they aren't webpal specific |
| 06:22.29 | silverpower | Any webpal info on the wiki? |
| 06:22.55 | silverpower | For that matter, why is there no link to the Walnut board on the front page of the wiki? |
| 06:24.21 | joe_bleau_ | Want some of my webpal info links? |
| 06:24.44 | silverpower | joe_bleau_: Yeah. |
| 06:25.06 | joe_bleau_ | http://www.openhardware.net/webpal/ |
| 06:25.13 | joe_bleau_ | http://www.luban.org/Webpal/ |
| 06:25.23 | joe_bleau_ | http://www.geocities.com/webpalstuff/ |
| 06:25.36 | joe_bleau_ | http://www.stelioscellar.com/Webpal/ |
| 06:25.53 | joe_bleau_ | http://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/BillDanielson |
| 06:26.11 | joe_bleau_ | http://webpal.bigbrd.com/index.html |
| 06:26.24 | joe_bleau_ | http://www.geocities.com/sparcusmaximus/alt_flash_1.html |
| 06:26.31 | fishhead | joe |
| 06:26.34 | fishhead | are you tomw |
| 06:26.49 | joe_bleau_ | http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowBoard&Board=wpalgen&Idle=&Sort=&Order=&Session= |
| 06:28.06 | joe_bleau_ | http://manmicro.com/webpal/ |
| 06:28.29 | fishhead | i'm insterested in that super i/o board t0mw made |
| 06:28.32 | fishhead | unless you have one too |
| 06:28.52 | joe_bleau_ | http://mtrob.fdns.net/~webpal/ |
| 06:29.06 | joe_bleau_ | http://webpal.bigbrd.com/facts.html |
| 06:29.37 | joe_bleau_ | http://webpal.bigbrd.com/bootstrap.html |
| 06:29.55 | joe_bleau_ | http://webpal.bigbrd.com/bootstrap.html |
| 06:30.02 | fishhead | joe |
| 06:30.02 | joe_bleau_ | http://www.liquidations.com/webpals.htm |
| 06:30.08 | fishhead | were you the guy that broke the web updating code |
| 06:30.18 | fishhead | WHOA |
| 06:30.20 | fishhead | THEY STILL HAVE THEM |
| 06:30.21 | fishhead | COOL |
| 06:30.27 | joe_bleau_ | Nope, my contribution to the webpal was the tv off idea |
| 06:30.38 | fishhead | ah |
| 06:31.04 | joe_bleau_ | and someone else had to write the code |
| 06:32.10 | fishhead | well you were damn useful |
| 06:32.14 | fishhead | and I helped you guys find this board |
| 06:32.15 | silverpower | Hmm. On first sight, it'd make a killer MP3 player. |
| 06:32.17 | fishhead | so I am useful :) |
| 06:32.23 | fishhead | silver the webpal ? |
| 06:32.24 | fishhead | no |
| 06:32.26 | fishhead | not enough cpu |
| 06:32.31 | fishhead | if the fpu was supported, yes |
| 06:32.44 | silverpower | Emphasis on 'on first sight'. |
| 06:32.52 | joe_bleau_ | Nope, ran across webpal and JB on my own, a friend (not on IRC) pointed out the ppc board to me |
| 06:33.35 | silverpower | fishhead pulled me in with the ppc board find. I love this sort of thing, so I went for it. |
| 06:34.05 | silverpower | Next thing I know, I've bought $150 of stuff from BCMicro. |
| 06:34.09 | fishhead | hehehe |
| 06:34.16 | fishhead | they seem like good honest guys |
| 06:34.17 | silverpower | And I was hooked forevermore... |
| 06:34.33 | fishhead | even the non hacker could pull $20 out of that board |
| 06:34.38 | fishhead | webserv or something |
| 06:35.23 | fishhead | damn I am puking up shit |
| 06:35.23 | fishhead | bbl |
| 06:36.07 | silverpower | that's where us userspace guys come in. I've learned enough that I could whip up a minimal distro for this board, but of course, I'd need the help of those who know the hardware... :) |
| 06:37.04 | fishhead | yep I am same |
| 06:38.10 | silverpower | Besides, the only new part I really need to buy is a riser card, a project box, and some form of DC-DC 12v filter for the carputer. :D |
| 06:45.17 | silverpower | Unfortunately, you need to buy $200 minimum. :S |
| 06:58.08 | silverpower | Anybody know where I can get ribbon cables and connectors? Without some, these LCDs are just taking up space in my drawer. |
| 07:00.49 | silverpower | (Specifically, one that'll work for a 14-pin header? |
| 07:04.03 | fishhead | while you are at it |
| 07:04.05 | fishhead | tell me too :) |
| 07:04.14 | fishhead | and how the canuck do you strip the leads |
| 07:05.00 | silverpower | In-frigging-deed. This would be SO UTTERLY EASY if it weren't for not being able to find the bloody connectors. |
| 07:08.55 | silverpower | fishhead: I take it you have an HD44780-type LCD sitting there, with a 14-pin connector, and a 2-pin power connection. Isn't this frustrating? |
| 07:10.22 | silverpower | Found some, but I hardly need 100' of the stuff! Jeez! |
| 07:11.39 | fishhead | 9 |
| 07:11.49 | fishhead | and I have to desolder some crap first |
| 07:11.51 | fishhead | or use bladed |
| 07:13.18 | silverpower | Mine come with a 14-pin...erm, what's the name for a ribbon cable connector? |
| 07:16.09 | silverpower | Okay, I *finally* tracked down a source for the damned thing. |
| 07:19.08 | fishhead | night |
| 07:19.14 | silverpower | Not to mention a cheap source for raw ribbon cable. 49c for a 5-foot roll of 40-pin, that should cover most needs. |
| 07:19.19 | silverpower | fishhead: g'night. |
| 07:35.07 | jbevren | hrm |
| 07:35.15 | jbevren | wiki says 8M juiceboxes dont have the led above rewind |
| 07:35.23 | jbevren | my board is marked 8M and it has the led |
| 07:37.36 | fishhead | wow |
| 07:37.40 | fishhead | wait |
| 07:37.53 | fishhead | are you sure it's not 8 meg rom |
| 07:37.57 | fishhead | not ram |
| 07:37.59 | fishhead | go thru the mem test |
| 07:38.04 | jbevren | 4M*16-75 (Spectek) S16004LK6TW-75AG |
| 07:39.17 | fishhead | wht ver of sw |
| 07:43.09 | jbevren | grumble.. isnt self-test ff and rew together on powerup? |
| 07:44.20 | jbevren | spectek's chip ID says 4Mx16 sdram |
| 07:44.27 | jbevren | thats 8Mbytes of ram |
| 07:45.18 | jbevren | ah rew+play |
| 07:46.22 | fishhead | wtf |
| 07:46.25 | fishhead | we have a mystery |
| 07:46.27 | jbevren | 8M rom 8M ram |
| 07:46.30 | fishhead | sw version? |
| 07:46.38 | jbevren | not really, one other exists |
| 07:47.30 | jbevren | http://www.linux-hacker.net/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/UltraBoard.pl?Action=ShowPost&Board=MJB&Post=1&Idle=0&Sort=0&Order=Descend&Page=0Session&Session= |
| 07:47.38 | fishhead | sw version damn you |
| 07:47.39 | jbevren | search for s16004 |
| 07:47.44 | jbevren | testing ram damn you :) |
| 07:47.59 | jbevren | 2.6 |
| 07:48.05 | fishhead | same |
| 07:48.07 | fishhead | shit :/ |
| 07:48.39 | silverpower | Dammit, I had a question, but I forgot it. :S |
| 07:49.18 | fishhead | om |
| 07:49.25 | fishhead | this movie has the chick from hellraiser |
| 07:49.33 | fishhead | I want her so bad |
| 07:52.27 | jbevren | ok well anyway |
| 07:52.29 | jbevren | it was $5 |
| 07:52.31 | jbevren | no mp3 kit tho |
| 07:52.33 | jbevren | hehe |
| 07:53.19 | jbevren | and now its bedtime :P |
| 07:54.04 | fishhead | $5 |
| 07:54.07 | fishhead | nice |
| 07:54.29 | fishhead | I want to impoemen heceapest hack possible |
| 07:54.38 | fishhead | just for it to run graphical lcd functions |
| 07:54.41 | fishhead | not even full os |
| 07:55.48 | silverpower | fishhead: if you can get framebuffer code going, it should be trivial. |
| 07:57.32 | fishhead | fbcon would need linux |
| 07:57.38 | fishhead | and threfore large rom |
| 07:57.57 | fishhead | I am talkinabout just enough code to emulate a matrix orbital etc |
| 07:58.49 | fishhead | used as a serial lcd |
| 07:58.53 | fishhead | nothing more |
| 08:00.41 | silverpower | So you would plug it in, and it would show up as something that speaks HD44780? |
| 08:01.05 | fishhead | well not hd44780 |
| 08:01.09 | fishhead | but yes that idea |
| 08:01.30 | fishhead | wonder if there is enough room on the board |
| 08:01.41 | fishhead | to solder wires to the rom pins |
| 08:01.55 | fishhead | instead of having to try to surface mount another rom |
| 08:01.59 | fishhead | hang a dip on he side |
| 08:02.05 | fishhead | hmm |
| 08:03.03 | silverpower | HD44780 is a sort of protocol, named after the popular Hitachi chip that first implemented it. |
| 08:03.10 | fishhead | dude I know what that is |
| 08:03.14 | fishhead | I have a ton |
| 08:03.19 | silverpower | just checking. :) |
| 08:03.20 | fishhead | but that is a text protocol lcd |
| 08:03.29 | fishhead | notgrahical lcd protocol |
| 08:03.51 | silverpower | And the Matrix Orbitals are graphical? |
| 08:04.03 | fishhead | yes some of them |
| 08:04.24 | fishhead | I mean we could do text but it's kinda waste |
| 08:04.38 | silverpower | I was under the impression that MOs were just overpriced text LCDs. |
| 08:04.48 | fishhead | hell no |
| 08:04.58 | fishhead | they have some graphical ones |
| 08:05.00 | fishhead | damn cool |
| 08:05.12 | fishhead | I might be willing toget anjother juicebox or so |
| 08:05.20 | fishhead | for solder risk destroying |
| 08:05.26 | fishhead | if they get down to around $5 or so |
| 08:05.59 | fishhead | we could use junk 128kb roms |
| 08:06.01 | fishhead | for the code |
| 08:06.07 | fishhead | you could salvage off a mb |
| 08:06.12 | fishhead | making this like a $5 hack |
| 08:06.14 | fishhead | :P |
| 08:08.13 | silverpower | haha. |
| 08:08.15 | fishhead | cause I think you are right they are too limitedf |
| 08:08.23 | fishhead | but for serial gui l;cd |
| 08:08.25 | fishhead | nice |
| 08:09.16 | fishhead | hell forget the code even |
| 08:09.20 | fishhead | make bootloader |
| 08:09.26 | fishhead | just enough to get code from serial port |
| 08:09.32 | fishhead | and exec from ram |
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| 08:12.08 | fishhead | omg |
| 08:12.23 | fishhead | this movie has ashley laurence in lesbo scene |
| 08:12.29 | fishhead | forget all this electronics crap |
| 08:15.17 | fishhead | silver |
| 08:15.19 | fishhead | http://www.matrixorbital.com/index.php?cName=lcd-graphic-lcds |
| 08:15.55 | fishhead | someione already wrote driver for palm os 3.5 to do this |
| 08:16.01 | fishhead | shouldn't be har |
| 08:16.04 | fishhead | goodnoight |
| 08:16.34 | fishhead | mn I am sick |
| 08:16.40 | fishhead | might be withdrawl' |
| 08:16.47 | fishhead | if I don't make it, it's been fun |
| 08:16.48 | fishhead | :P |
| 08:23.31 | fishhead | http://www.crystalfontz.com/products/index-grph.html |
| 08:24.47 | fishhead | http://www.crystalfontz.com/products/240128d/samples.html |
| 08:24.59 | fishhead | http://www.crystalfontz.com/products/240128d/samples.html |
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| 08:31.26 | fishhead | http://www.acscontrol.com/Index_ACS.asp?Page=/Pages/Products/Lcd/128x64%20LCD_Display_Terminal.htm |
| 08:31.40 | fishhead | hell these things usually only have a 8 bit mcu on them |
| 08:47.02 | fishhead | http://ashleylaurence.com/ |
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| 12:47.13 | BleSS | an embedded system should be compiled with -fPIC for to let shared libraries? |
| 12:47.54 | BleSS | always |
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| 17:01.22 | joe_bleau | GPSFan: I'm thinking I should have added a crc32 test to the bootloader update procedure, so that people can be certain that the image is correct before rebooting. |
| 17:03.13 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: that would be nice. Did you see I fixed the board type? if you setenv serial# xyz the board type will be BOARD: xyz |
| 17:04.30 | GPSFan | serial# is one of those variables you get to set once, unless youdon't save the env or erase it. |
| 17:04.36 | joe_bleau | No, I'm not seeing it |
| 17:04.47 | joe_bleau | I set serial# and serial |
| 17:05.00 | GPSFan | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.01 | GPSFan | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.01 | GPSFan | Board: DHT-2 |
| 17:05.01 | GPSFan | I2C: ready |
| 17:05.01 | GPSFan | DRAM: 64 MB |
| 17:05.02 | GPSFan | FLASH: 512 kB |
| 17:05.04 | joe_bleau | Where would I see the board type? Not seeing at boot or bdinfo |
| 17:05.04 | GPSFan | In: serial |
| 17:05.20 | joe_bleau | Oh, see it now. Must be going blind |
| 17:05.34 | joe_bleau | Had a chance to read over the update and recovery stuff? |
| 17:05.52 | joe_bleau | I also yanked that crashing ppcboot |
| 17:06.09 | GPSFan | "setenv serial# xyz" then saveenv, then restart. |
| 17:06.47 | GPSFan | I yanked the other old stuff and put a link to DENX's sources for ppcboot 1.1.6 |
| 17:07.25 | GPSFan | read it once, looked good. |
| 17:07.32 | joe_bleau | I'll test your patch later today; Cygwin here, so I'll have to point to my tools and add the .exe stuff, but it should build ok |
| 17:08.21 | GPSFan | yeah, patches for cross development always need a little tweaking for the individuals environment. |
| 17:10.48 | joe_bleau | You set the option to only write serial and eth once? |
| 17:11.32 | GPSFan | that's the way it was in the default WALNUT405.h config, and it's no big deal to erase the flashenv by hand. |
| 17:12.32 | GPSFan | I don't particularly like how on reboot it always unprotects everything but the bootloader, maybe I'll fix that later today. |
| 17:13.57 | joe_bleau | Yep, protect is good. |
| 17:17.16 | joe_bleau | Odd, my standalone code isn't running from ppcboot anymore. |
| 17:20.25 | joe_bleau | Wonder if the arg passing changed from 1.1.2 to 1.1.6 |
| 17:20.49 | fishhead | thinking of hot swapping my uncles k6-233 for another k6-2 450 box |
| 17:20.53 | fishhead | just temp |
| 17:20.59 | fishhead | his current one is rebooting by itself |
| 17:21.22 | fishhead | just a temp box till I can get one of those PII systems tested |
| 17:21.41 | fishhead | doing this today since I am going there for the hame |
| 17:21.43 | fishhead | game |
| 17:24.37 | joe_bleau | Ah, they changed the syscall interface. I'll have to rebuild |
| 17:27.26 | GPSFan | just found that too, the hello world from 1.1.2 doesn't work, the one from 1.1.6 does. |
| 17:30.16 | fishhead | man I dunno what to do |
| 17:30.17 | GPSFan | hmm, flash protection is implemented 2 ways in ppcboot, "real" and "fake". It has to be defined in the board_config.h file, and the flash.c in the /board/boardname/ directorh has to have a "flash_real_protect" function, which the Walnut's flash.c doesn't have. |
| 17:30.28 | fishhead | I love you guys |
| 17:30.31 | fishhead | no not like that |
| 17:30.55 | fishhead | I mean if there ever was a nuke holicost, assuming we all survived the blast wave and radiation |
| 17:31.08 | fishhead | we would be the guys stringing the net back together with duct tape and old phore wire |
| 17:39.09 | joe_bleau | Looks like it's setting protection on the bootloader at bootup (board/walnut405/flash.c): |
| 17:39.10 | joe_bleau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.47 | joe_bleau | I think I would have used a table lookup instead of the switch statement in flash_get_size() |
| 17:40.57 | fishhead | can you undo that |
| 17:41.00 | fishhead | or is that a factory lock |
| 17:41.09 | fishhead | wait you guys already flashed it, nm |
| 17:41.52 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: in uboot, they also protect the environment at that point in the coed, I think I'll rip taht part out of uboot and put in 1.1.6 |
| 17:42.55 | joe_bleau | Does it matter? The protect isn't in the device, it's just a software safety to prevent ppcboot from erasing |
| 17:44.02 | joe_bleau | saveenv will unprotect, erase, write, and re-protect if it is set, so that's nice. |
| 17:44.53 | fishhead | oh that;s fine |
| 17:44.59 | fishhead | i was scared it was some kinda factory lock |
| 17:45.17 | joe_bleau | There is *nothing* to be scared of |
| 17:45.29 | joe_bleau | If you don't want to risk updating the bootloader (which isn't much of a risk) |
| 17:45.40 | joe_bleau | you can still boot linux and do anything you want |
| 17:45.50 | joe_bleau | You'll just have to type the boot cmd by hand at power up each time. |
| 17:46.38 | fishhead | COOL |
| 17:46.52 | fishhead | na I will do it as long as it's like 80% chance it will suceed |
| 17:47.03 | GPSFan | joe_bleau: yeah, maybe I'll leave it alone, it's working now .. |
| 17:47.41 | joe_bleau | GPSFan: don't forget, if I mod the update procedure to include zeroing before download and a crc test, you'll need to edit if you change the bootloader |
| 17:48.30 | joe_bleau | And I'm just a little concerned all this bootloader talk may have given people monitoring the channel that the bootloader upgrade and/or jtag is required to hack the board |
| 17:49.04 | GPSFan | gotcha, it stays the way it is untill someone proves something else is needed. |
| 17:49.31 | jbevren | GPSFan: so how's 1.6 working? |
| 17:49.34 | jbevren | I read about it on the wiki |
| 17:50.25 | GPSFan | jbevren: joe_bleau & I have both flashed our boards with the new 1.1.6 and it works fine, I have flashed my non-jtag unit too, sofar so good. |
| 17:50.33 | jbevren | sweet |
| 17:50.35 | jbevren | :) |
| 17:51.32 | GPSFan | jbevren: which kernel sources did you start with. I was able to boot DENX's 2.6.15 kernel & their pRamdisk userland. |
| 17:51.43 | jbevren | I cant build 2.6 on my ppc toolchain |
| 17:51.49 | jbevren | I need to update it :X :) |
| 17:52.08 | GPSFan | I've never tried a 2.6, I was talking about your 2.4.25? |
| 17:52.20 | jbevren | ah |
| 17:52.29 | jbevren | it was the latest (at the moment) dev 2.4.25 kernel from denx's ftp |
| 17:53.27 | GPSFan | ftp://ftp.denx.de/pub/linux/linuxppc_2_4_devel-2005-10-25-1440.tar.bz2 ? |
| 17:53.44 | jbevren | yeah |
| 17:53.54 | jbevren | it has little dependancy checking, so beware |
| 17:54.26 | jbevren | trivial junk like turning on usb keyboard support without tty enabled |
| 17:54.30 | GPSFan | great, that's where I'll start, I still think 2.6.x on embedded stuff is overkill, but it's nice to see it works. |
| 17:54.34 | jbevren | (which shouldnt be allowed and causes a link error) |
| 17:55.03 | jbevren | let me know if you get usb kebyoard support working |
| 17:55.04 | jbevren | lol |
| 17:55.08 | jbevren | I still havent figured it out |
| 17:55.12 | GPSFan | I wonder if that's a problem in the mainstream kernel, or in DENX additions. |
| 17:55.30 | jbevren | given ppc is one of the best non-x86 supported architectures, |
| 17:55.34 | jbevren | I'd say its a denx issue |
| 17:55.56 | fishhead | ok guys bbl I gotta check my stock of hardware and decide what I want to do about my uncle |
| 17:57.22 | GPSFan | the kernel for the A3000 hav very few changes from stock for 2.4.31. |
| 17:59.07 | GPSFan | jbevren: can you dcc me a binary of your 2.4.25 kernel? |
| 17:59.18 | joe_bleau | Or Wiki it... |
| 17:59.33 | GPSFan | either. |
| 18:00.22 | GPSFan | thanks. |
| 18:00.44 | jbevren | :) |
| 18:00.53 | jbevren | stick a matrox millenium card on it |
| 18:00.55 | joe_bleau | GPSFan: crc of 1.1.6? |
| 18:00.58 | jbevren | it has working fb, but not working kbd :) |
| 18:01.04 | joe_bleau | I get 0x4020fa82 |
| 18:02.08 | GPSFan | uhhh, how do I calc that? |
| 18:02.17 | joe_bleau | crc fff80000 30000 |
| 18:02.56 | GPSFan | => crc fff80000 30000 |
| 18:02.57 | GPSFan | CRC32 for fff80000 ... fffaffff ==> 4020fa82 |
| 18:02.57 | GPSFan | => |
| 18:03.20 | joe_bleau | Good. |
| 18:03.22 | jbevren | what happened to carriage returns? |
| 18:03.27 | joe_bleau | I'll add that to the wiki too |
| 18:03.33 | jbevren | editing atm |
| 18:03.43 | GPSFan | that's on my non-jtag board ;>) |
| 18:03.52 | joe_bleau | Mine was a jtag |
| 18:03.58 | joe_bleau | Shouldn't matter |
| 18:04.07 | GPSFan | correct. |
| 18:04.25 | jbevren | wtf |
| 18:04.28 | jbevren | its dumping my newlines |
| 18:04.53 | jbevren | shrug, I'll upload em, someone fix the lack of newlines |
| 18:04.55 | GPSFan | in the wiki? |
| 18:04.57 | jbevren | yeah |
| 18:05.02 | jbevren | the edit page shows newlines |
| 18:05.05 | jbevren | but the outptu doesnt |
| 18:07.28 | jbevren | ok |
| 18:07.32 | jbevren | can someone fix the formatting? |
| 18:07.42 | jbevren | There's certainly a carriage return before each * |
| 18:09.32 | GPSFan | jbevren: oh, I see it's console in on the matrox, guess I'll have to dig one up ;>) |
| 18:10.14 | GPSFan | hmm it rebooted? |
| 18:13.25 | jbevren | my kernel did? |
| 18:13.27 | GPSFan | forgot to change the bootargs... ;>P |
| 18:13.32 | jbevren | haha oop! |
| 18:13.36 | jbevren | brb |
| 18:13.38 | GPSFan | booted now.. |
| 18:14.27 | jbevren | moved to the terminal by my walnut board :) |
| 18:16.30 | GPSFan | well, I found an old matrox video card how do I tell if it's a millenium? |
| 18:17.24 | jbevren | 1sec :) |
| 18:17.27 | jbevren | whats the ID on the big chip |
| 18:17.52 | jbevren | Mine's a 2064W, but iirc I put milleniumII support in as well |
| 18:18.02 | jbevren | find a sticker on the back of the card |
| 18:18.08 | jbevren | mine reads MGA-MIL/2BN |
| 18:18.19 | jbevren | iirc that means mine's a millenium II |
| 18:18.23 | jbevren | what's yours? |
| 18:18.33 | jbevren | oh, millenium 1, 2M |
| 18:18.40 | jbevren | mm whoppin 2M framebuffer ram :) |
| 18:18.48 | jbevren | how will I behave with so much |
| 18:18.49 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:18.49 | GPSFan | 2164wp-C |
| 18:19.06 | jbevren | millenium II most likely, but it should work |
| 18:19.17 | GPSFan | good I'll give it a try |
| 18:19.26 | jbevren | oh |
| 18:19.29 | jbevren | I turned all the matrox's on |
| 18:19.40 | jbevren | GPSFan: just make sure the vga switch is enabled (if there is one) |
| 18:19.54 | jbevren | mill 1 and 2 are the same driver |
| 18:20.02 | jbevren | mystique and Gx00 are enabled too |
| 18:20.23 | jbevren | I like the old matroxes. if youre lucky you can get a bunch in an order for $cheap |
| 18:20.27 | jbevren | and they work everywhere |
| 18:20.53 | jbevren | I reflashed the BIOS on one of my 4M millIIs and now use it for a quickdraw3D accelerator in MacOS 8 :09 |
| 18:21.23 | jbevren | oh I finally found my camera |
| 18:21.38 | jbevren | so soon as it unfogs (it was in the garage) I'll snap a shot of the workstation |
| 18:22.16 | fishhead | man I just remebered |
| 18:22.23 | fishhead | this old compaq k6-2 450 in someone's trash |
| 18:22.26 | fishhead | it was all black and stuff |
| 18:22.30 | fishhead | cause it used to be rental pc |
| 18:22.38 | fishhead | then someone bought it from the place |
| 18:22.43 | fishhead | I took it down to bare metal |
| 18:22.47 | GPSFan | jbevren: got stuff on the screen ;>) !! |
| 18:22.51 | fishhead | refurbed it, washed down the psu and mb, etc |
| 18:22.53 | jbevren | gpsfan :) |
| 18:22.56 | fishhead | works fine but don't need it |
| 18:22.57 | jbevren | do you have a usb card? :) |
| 18:23.00 | fishhead | going to give it to my uncle |
| 18:23.02 | *** join/#edev p-crat_ (n=p-crat@lns-bzn-45-82-65-133-234.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 18:23.16 | jbevren | fishhead: cool |
| 18:23.24 | jbevren | it's nice to see old hardware get reused |
| 18:23.24 | GPSFan | jbevren: yeah, somewhere, might have to pull it form the A3000 |
| 18:23.43 | jbevren | GPSFan: you'll need to remove the bulkhead from whatever you put in the right-hand pci slot |
| 18:23.50 | jbevren | otherwise the power jack gets blocked |
| 18:24.02 | fishhead | jbevren, I hate k6-2's now though |
| 18:24.06 | jbevren | but yeah, the fb seems to work right |
| 18:24.09 | jbevren | fishhead: whyso |
| 18:24.11 | fishhead | don't hate the cpu's but the mb's were garbage |
| 18:24.14 | jbevren | my 475 is good |
| 18:24.18 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:24.20 | fishhead | what chipset |
| 18:24.21 | jbevren | My mb was a compaq |
| 18:24.30 | jbevren | but I found a gigabyte model number on it |
| 18:24.35 | fishhead | via ? |
| 18:24.36 | jbevren | downloaded the gigabyte bios and updated it :) |
| 18:24.38 | jbevren | no more compaq logo |
| 18:24.43 | jbevren | SiS 6-something |
| 18:24.47 | fishhead | yeah same |
| 18:24.49 | fishhead | sis530 |
| 18:24.53 | jbevren | yeah 530, thats it |
| 18:24.53 | fishhead | seems very decent |
| 18:24.56 | jbevren | 6xx's are s370 |
| 18:25.04 | fishhead | via mvp3 is so full of bugs |
| 18:25.06 | jbevren | the chipset is slow compared to some others, but it does the job |
| 18:25.15 | fishhead | i rather have slow and steady |
| 18:25.22 | fishhead | mvp3 fucks up if you move 1 card in a slot |
| 18:25.25 | fishhead | at least in 2k |
| 18:25.27 | fishhead | 2k does down in flames |
| 18:25.49 | jbevren | Littlefoot:~# hd /dev/input/event0 |
| 18:25.49 | jbevren | 00000000 43 e6 43 29 00 05 a1 67 00 01 00 34 00 00 00 01 |CæC)..¡g...4....| |
| 18:25.52 | jbevren | keyboard works on event0 |
| 18:25.57 | jbevren | but nto console :( (no capslock etc) |
| 18:28.07 | jbevren | Littlefoot:~# hd /dev/input/mice |
| 18:28.07 | jbevren | 00000000 08 78 74 18 ff 00 18 ff 00 18 fe 01 08 00 01 08 |.xt.ÿ..ÿ..þ.....| |
| 18:28.09 | jbevren | mouse works :D |
| 18:30.09 | GPSFan | jbevren: is that kernel built with the config that you posted on the wiki? |
| 18:30.16 | jbevren | yeah |
| 18:30.45 | GPSFan | tnx.. |
| 18:30.46 | jbevren | think you could fix the formatting there? It didtn work for me :( |
| 18:31.02 | joe_bleau | Yeah |
| 18:31.50 | jbevren | joe_bleau: thanks |
| 18:33.40 | joe_bleau | Just a sec |
| 18:34.09 | jbevren | hm offtopic; how fast is the JB cpu? |
| 18:35.03 | jbevren | ah, looks liek 66mhz |
| 18:36.12 | joe_bleau | jbreven kernel loaded for me |
| 18:36.29 | jbevren | good |
| 18:36.36 | joe_bleau | Wiki fixed |
| 18:36.41 | jbevren | thanks :) |
| 18:37.04 | joe_bleau | I'll have to dig; I think I have a Matrox around here somewhere |
| 18:37.13 | jbevren | hmm |
| 18:37.28 | jbevren | :D |
| 18:38.04 | jbevren | and it blanks as I try to center the image :P |
| 18:38.07 | jbevren | oh |
| 18:38.09 | jbevren | look at that |
| 18:38.15 | jbevren | pressing keys unblanks the console |
| 18:38.19 | jbevren | grumble |
| 18:38.25 | jbevren | I want tty input! :) |
| 18:41.32 | jbevren | it's irritating cause I have everything turned on that the email lists, etc recommend |
| 18:41.33 | jbevren | heh |
| 18:46.34 | joe_bleau | I saw a penguin and a blinking cursor |
| 18:46.59 | jbevren | I get full dmesg output |
| 18:47.04 | jbevren | my bootargs is just rootdev |
| 18:47.16 | joe_bleau | matroxfb: Matrox Millennium II (PCI) detected |
| 18:47.16 | joe_bleau | matroxfb: 640x480x8bpp (virtual: 640x13081) |
| 18:47.16 | joe_bleau | matroxfb: framebuffer at 0xBF000000, mapped to 0xc3012000, size 8388608 |
| 18:47.16 | joe_bleau | Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30 |
| 18:47.16 | joe_bleau | fb0: MATROX VGA frame buffer device |
| 18:47.17 | joe_bleau | pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured |
| 18:48.22 | joe_bleau | I love 1.1.6 |
| 18:48.37 | jbevren | heh |
| 18:48.41 | jbevren | the same bin thats on the wiki? |
| 18:48.45 | jbevren | I should flash my board |
| 18:49.13 | joe_bleau | 640x480, huh? I've got a spare monitor that will do that. |
| 18:49.18 | jbevren | nod |
| 18:49.21 | jbevren | default is 640x480x60hz |
| 18:49.27 | jbevren | 8bpp iirc |
| 18:49.48 | jbevren | you can change it with fbset.. matroxfb supports the whole 2D portion of the card, except video overlay |
| 18:51.16 | joe_bleau | BusyBox v0.60.1 (2002.10.24-09:26+0000) Built-in shell (msh) |
| 18:51.16 | joe_bleau | Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands. |
| 18:51.16 | joe_bleau | # fbset |
| 18:51.16 | joe_bleau | fbset: not found |
| 18:51.24 | *** join/#edev cougarvt (n=antics@65-78-12-90.c3-0.ded-ubr1.sbo-ded.ma.cable.rcn.com) |
| 18:51.56 | joe_bleau | Nope, dmesg is still going to serial. |
| 18:53.08 | joe_bleau | ppcboot env vars, perhaps? |
| 18:53.10 | GPSFan | jbevren: rebuilt with your kernel config, first off mine is only 650k yours is 1M. mine hangs after saying rtc is stuck. any thoughts? |
| 18:54.22 | GPSFan | oops, used a clean 2.4.25, not the denx... drat... |
| 18:56.18 | *** join/#edev sherbang (n=sherbang@pool-141-154-180-157.wma.east.verizon.net) |
| 18:56.48 | jbevren | nod. I had that issue with the a3000 patched kernel |
| 18:56.57 | jbevren | denx waas the third kernel tree I tried |
| 18:57.35 | joe_bleau | DC in isn't placed in a smart location |
| 18:57.54 | jbevren | 'dc'? |
| 18:58.18 | joe_bleau | Yep. I had to pull the frame off my USB card to prevent it from blocking the dc power input connector |
| 18:58.30 | joe_bleau | And the other PCI card frame is *really* close to the fuse |
| 18:58.45 | joe_bleau | (matrox + usb card installed, currently.) |
| 18:58.58 | joe_bleau | Still no kernel dmesg on the matrox |
| 18:59.16 | jbevren | ahh |
| 18:59.16 | jbevren | yeah |
| 18:59.20 | jbevren | I mentioned that hehe |
| 19:02.29 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/img/workstation.jpg |
| 19:02.30 | jbevren | :D |
| 19:02.36 | joe_bleau | USB mouse: check USB keyboard: don't gots |
| 19:02.41 | jbevren | that's the DHT board to the left of the SS Voyager |
| 19:02.48 | joe_bleau | I'll bet that's why it's dropping back to a serial console |
| 19:03.05 | jbevren | joe_bleau: check /dev/input/0 and d/ev/input/1 |
| 19:03.14 | jbevren | er |
| 19:03.16 | jbevren | event0, event1 |
| 19:03.21 | jbevren | my kbd spits data there |
| 19:03.28 | joe_bleau | Don't have 'em |
| 19:03.43 | jbevren | make the nodes :) |
| 19:03.45 | jbevren | one sec |
| 19:03.57 | jbevren | 13,64 13,65 |
| 19:04.12 | jbevren | the black keyboard and mouse are on the walnut in the picture |
| 19:06.16 | joe_bleau | # usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout |
| 19:06.16 | joe_bleau | usb.c: USB device not accepting new address=3 (error=-110) |
| 19:06.18 | GPSFan | well something is still very different, my kernel is still 650k, this time says "cramfs wrong magic" and wants to reboot. |
| 19:06.26 | joe_bleau | I don't think it like my old Cypress USB mouse |
| 19:06.33 | jbevren | GPSFan: I had to use an ext2 ramdisk |
| 19:06.37 | jbevren | GPSFan: this happens a lot to me |
| 19:06.42 | jbevren | cramfs images wont worok |
| 19:06.46 | jbevren | on x86, intel, arm |
| 19:06.48 | jbevren | er ppc, arm |
| 19:07.39 | sunrunner20 | amega monitor! |
| 19:07.44 | sunrunner20 | old school man |
| 19:07.52 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:07.53 | GPSFan | jbevren: does the kernel you dcc'd me have a builtin ramdisk? |
| 19:07.56 | jbevren | 1080 |
| 19:08.05 | jbevren | GPSFan: no, its built for booting my ide disk |
| 19:08.07 | sunrunner20 | i've got one of those monitors |
| 19:08.09 | jbevren | it does have initrd support |
| 19:08.17 | jbevren | should work with the ext2 usj image you sent me |
| 19:08.24 | jbevren | sunrunner20: Theyre the best :) |
| 19:08.27 | jbevren | 15khz rgb |
| 19:08.42 | jbevren | perfect for N64's etc |
| 19:08.45 | GPSFan | I have an amiga monitor too, it's been busted for years, one day I'll try to fix it. |
| 19:08.56 | jbevren | It's obviously there for the c-64 |
| 19:09.07 | jbevren | I load software to the c64 via a debugger cartridge |
| 19:09.08 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:09.41 | GPSFan | jbevren: k, I'll poke around some more. make it more like my A3000 setup. |
| 19:09.55 | jbevren | the right-hand display has two inputs.. one's on the winbox (the tiny HP e-pc by the shelf), and currently the second (active) input is on the dht |
| 19:09.57 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 19:10.02 | sunrunner20 | thats what i used it for lol |
| 19:10.07 | sunrunner20 | my n64 |
| 19:10.15 | sunrunner20 | and |
| 19:10.17 | jbevren | sunrunner20: did you use s-video? |
| 19:10.17 | sunrunner20 | it did an ok job |
| 19:10.23 | sunrunner20 | component |
| 19:10.28 | jbevren | um |
| 19:10.32 | jbevren | the 1080 doesnt accept component |
| 19:10.35 | jbevren | and the n64 doesnt send it |
| 19:10.51 | jbevren | the 1080 is rgb, rgbi, composite, svideo |
| 19:11.19 | jbevren | svideo is via the Y and C inputs. The c64 was sending svideo before 'svideo' became a standard :) |
| 19:11.42 | sunrunner20 | whatever the red white yellow ones are |
| 19:12.02 | jbevren | that's audio and composite video |
| 19:12.18 | jbevren | the red is chroma |
| 19:12.20 | jbevren | white is audio |
| 19:12.23 | jbevren | and yellow is luma |
| 19:12.24 | sunrunner20 | i know |
| 19:12.26 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.30 | sunrunner20 | wait |
| 19:12.30 | jbevren | red is not audio on these :) |
| 19:12.43 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 19:12.46 | jbevren | the 1084S has stereo audio |
| 19:12.47 | sunrunner20 | those only got mono :( |
| 19:12.52 | jbevren | not the 1080 or 1084 |
| 19:13.11 | jbevren | my amiga's in a box somewhere |
| 19:13.14 | jbevren | I hate it :) |
| 19:13.23 | sunrunner20 | we sold ours |
| 19:13.24 | jbevren | on a technical level, its way ahead of tis time |
| 19:13.42 | jbevren | but the amiga community is filled with elitist fascists, and I wont be a part of it |
| 19:13.46 | jbevren | so my miggy is shelved |
| 19:18.10 | jbevren | heh |
| 19:18.15 | jbevren | dualhead really messes with one's mind |
| 19:18.42 | jbevren | hmm I need a SoC running esd or something :) |
| 19:18.42 | GPSFan | jbevren: you don't have usb hid or input cors support enabled in your .config. |
| 19:18.48 | jbevren | um |
| 19:19.04 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.05 | jbevren | I dont? |
| 19:19.08 | jbevren | I think I do. |
| 19:19.11 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.15 | GPSFan | not in the .config I got. |
| 19:19.35 | jbevren | jbevren@guu:/export/archive/software/linux/dhs/linuxppc_2_4_devel-2005-10-25-1440$ grep INPUT.*y$ .config |
| 19:19.35 | jbevren | CONFIG_INPUT=y |
| 19:19.36 | jbevren | CONFIG_INPUT_KEYBDEV=y |
| 19:19.36 | jbevren | CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV=y |
| 19:19.36 | jbevren | CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV=y |
| 19:19.36 | jbevren | CONFIG_USB_HIDINPUT=y |
| 19:19.40 | jbevren | thats the .config I puloaded |
| 19:19.42 | GPSFan | maybe it's an old one. |
| 19:20.38 | jbevren | jbevren@ganymede:~$ grep INPUT.*y$ config |
| 19:20.38 | jbevren | CONFIG_INPUT=y |
| 19:20.38 | jbevren | CONFIG_INPUT_KEYBDEV=y |
| 19:20.39 | jbevren | CONFIG_INPUT_MOUSEDEV=y |
| 19:20.39 | jbevren | CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV=y |
| 19:20.39 | jbevren | CONFIG_USB_HIDINPUT=y |
| 19:20.41 | jbevren | just downloaded it |
| 19:20.43 | jbevren | it's on |
| 19:20.45 | jbevren | cant be moreso than that |
| 19:20.57 | GPSFan | must be it's an old one. |
| 19:21.03 | jbevren | eh? |
| 19:21.06 | jbevren | thats the one from the wiki |
| 19:21.56 | jbevren | I'd show the wget line, but the wiki is retarded and blocks wget |
| 19:22.07 | GPSFan | must be it's an old one, it's date is 23, jan. guess i got the wrong one ;>( |
| 19:22.26 | jbevren | yeah, get the one from the bottom |
| 19:23.01 | GPSFan | ah, I got the one from the top. |
| 19:23.48 | jbevren | that one doesnt even have proper networking heh |
| 19:24.02 | jbevren | like, no unix domain sockets |
| 19:25.07 | GPSFan | never got that far, we should pull that one off the wiki. |
| 19:25.22 | jbevren | just did :) |
| 19:25.32 | GPSFan | thanks. |
| 19:27.05 | joe_bleau | Wonder if sherbang got a few email messages last ~36 hours... |
| 19:27.09 | jbevren | I got a lite brite cube to put it in (eventually) |
| 19:27.12 | jbevren | joe_bleau: me too :D |
| 19:27.22 | jbevren | he's gonna regret subscribing :) |
| 19:28.45 | joe_bleau | jbevren: would you pull your USB keyboard and see where the dmesg goes? |
| 19:28.59 | jbevren | dmesg goes to fbconsole on tty1 |
| 19:29.04 | jbevren | or do you want the actual message |
| 19:29.12 | jbevren | I know this becaues it went there when I plugged my mouse in |
| 19:29.21 | jbevren | here's my serial output: |
| 19:29.27 | joe_bleau | I'm still wondering why your dmesg goes to matrox, and mine goes to serial |
| 19:29.33 | jbevren | arch: exit |
| 19:29.34 | jbevren | arch: exit 2 |
| 19:29.34 | jbevren | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Littlefoot ttyS0 |
| 19:29.34 | jbevren | Littlefoot login: |
| 19:29.36 | jbevren | Oh. |
| 19:29.43 | jbevren | yeah, mine goes to matrox with or without the usb card |
| 19:29.48 | joe_bleau | sorry, wasn't very clear there. |
| 19:29.54 | joe_bleau | Hmm. Wonder why mine doesn't |
| 19:30.05 | GPSFan | that's better, it's a little bigger than yours, but it boots with my usj.gz ;>) |
| 19:30.07 | jbevren | I'm going to flash ppcboot 1.1.6 into my board in a moment |
| 19:30.19 | joe_bleau | Oh, I see that I have a console= line in my bootargs. Doh. |
| 19:30.21 | jbevren | GPSFan: probably just TC differences |
| 19:30.28 | jbevren | setenv bootargs root=/dev/hde1 |
| 19:30.28 | jbevren | bootm 400000 |
| 19:30.30 | jbevren | :D |
| 19:30.31 | GPSFan | yep. |
| 19:30.32 | jbevren | that'sa mine |
| 19:30.48 | joe_bleau | Sorry for the noise. I'm getting out of my depths here |
| 19:31.40 | jbevren | np |
| 19:31.59 | jbevren | hey btw |
| 19:32.13 | jbevren | would anyone be able to make a static sparc ser2net binary for me? :) |
| 19:33.33 | jbevren | oh, and I need to wire up a reset button |
| 19:33.41 | jbevren | I keep forgetting to specify an addr for tftp loads :) |
| 19:34.47 | jbevren | joe_bleau: remind me how to checksum the ppcboot image? |
| 19:38.40 | GPSFan | jbevren: in ppcboot ? crc |
| 19:38.45 | jbevren | I dont want to flash until I know the checksum is right :) |
| 19:39.06 | GPSFan | good idea. |
| 19:39.11 | jbevren | 4020fa82? |
| 19:39.16 | jbevren | crc 400000 30000 |
| 19:39.29 | jbevren | I did the mw command to clear out the space around 400000 |
| 19:40.53 | GPSFan | that matches mine... => crc fff80000 30000 |
| 19:40.53 | GPSFan | CRC32 for fff80000 ... fffaffff ==> 4020fa82 |
| 19:40.53 | GPSFan | => |
| 19:41.02 | jbevren | thanks :) |
| 19:41.34 | jbevren | zorix: it's a Digital Home Technologies ppc board |
| 19:41.47 | jbevren | oops :) |
| 19:42.36 | jbevren | protect on fff80000 fffa0000 has an error |
| 19:42.41 | jbevren | start and/or end not on sector boundary |
| 19:43.18 | GPSFan | fffaffff |
| 19:43.27 | jbevren | ah |
| 19:43.29 | jbevren | k |
| 19:43.44 | jbevren | yep |
| 19:43.46 | jbevren | I'll edit |
| 19:43.52 | jbevren | and add the crc |
| 19:44.10 | jbevren | search for 'powerpc' |
| 19:44.13 | jbevren | grumble :) |
| 19:46.20 | jbevren | Oh, the page about updating the loader has the checksum in it |
| 19:46.21 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:47.24 | jbevren | ok here goes nuttin' |
| 19:47.57 | jbevren | yay ppcboot 1.1.6 |
| 19:51.32 | joe_bleau | Congrats! |
| 19:51.36 | jbevren | :D |
| 19:52.28 | joe_bleau | I need to add a some notes about what to do if the copy/crc fails, and maybe how to restore the 1.1.2 copy (thought I can't imagine anyone would ever want to) |
| 19:52.56 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:52.57 | jbevren | well, |
| 19:53.03 | jbevren | if the 1.1.6 copy fails |
| 19:53.04 | jbevren | shrug |
| 19:53.25 | joe_bleau | you can try again, or restore the 1.1.2 copy |
| 19:53.35 | jbevren | nod |
| 19:53.41 | joe_bleau | The important bit is to keep the board powered up! |
| 19:53.43 | jbevren | but dont turn the thing off whatever you do :D |
| 19:54.16 | jbevren | dw: at the price theyre sold at, I got four. :) |
| 19:54.38 | jbevren | now I need to find an ethernet device to retire so I can steal its MAC addr |
| 19:56.41 | jbevren | hrm |
| 19:56.45 | jbevren | dma no longer works on ide |
| 19:57.12 | jbevren | dma_timer_expiry: dma stat us == 0x22 |
| 19:57.24 | jbevren | error waiting for dma |
| 19:57.37 | jbevren | dma timeout retry: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest] |
| 19:57.45 | jbevren | looks like pci still needs tweaking :) |
| 19:57.47 | GPSFan | jbevren: congrats!! |
| 19:58.51 | GPSFan | jbevren: you are the only one that has a ide working, so we are counting on you to help in that area. |
| 19:59.11 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:59.20 | joe_bleau | Is the only diff 1.1.2 vs. 1.1.6? |
| 19:59.21 | jbevren | I'll have to compare the timing setup between the two ppcboots |
| 19:59.27 | jbevren | joe_bleau: yeah |
| 19:59.36 | jbevren | joe_bleau: in 1.1.2 I booted the same kernel on tftp and dma worked |
| 19:59.49 | jbevren | in 1.1.6 linux runs infe until hdparm -d1 /dev/hde |
| 20:00.03 | jbevren | linux starts in pio mode on this config |
| 20:00.57 | jbevren | console=/dev/ttyS0,9600 right? |
| 20:01.18 | joe_bleau | console=ttyS0,9600 |
| 20:01.25 | jbevren | oh |
| 20:01.26 | jbevren | ok |
| 20:03.13 | jbevren | oh for F sake! |
| 20:03.18 | jbevren | I cant use vi with hyperterminal |
| 20:03.28 | jbevren | if I hit : hypterterminal sends esc |
| 20:03.30 | jbevren | so I cant even exit |
| 20:03.38 | jbevren | I'm -really- tired of microsoft's crap |
| 20:03.39 | joe_bleau | dmesg to matrox now. |
| 20:03.43 | jbevren | joe_bleau: grats :) |
| 20:05.07 | GPSFan | 1.1.6 has a very different pci configuration process than 1.1.2, in fact that was one of the sticking points that kept 1.1.6 from working. I had to enable configuration of "legacy ata interfaces" in 1.1.6 and it may not be quite right. |
| 20:05.27 | jbevren | ah |
| 20:05.55 | GPSFan | there maybe something to do with pci dma that needs to be set that isn't. |
| 20:06.26 | GPSFan | I sort of thought that the kernel would fix anything that it didn't like, maybe not. |
| 20:06.51 | jbevren | nod |
| 20:07.37 | jbevren | (fyi, I hate ide) |
| 20:08.45 | jbevren | and ext3fs has -no- error recovery |
| 20:08.50 | jbevren | so even though I recovered this time |
| 20:08.53 | jbevren | I'm still screwed :) |
| 20:09.57 | jbevren | eh |
| 20:10.05 | jbevren | and now the ide drive is write protected? |
| 20:10.13 | jbevren | heh |
| 20:10.35 | jbevren | ok thats enough for one day |
| 20:10.37 | jbevren | see ya later |
| 20:10.52 | joe_bleau | Good think you made a 1.1.2 backup, huh? |
| 20:10.59 | joe_bleau | s/think/thing |
| 20:11.08 | jbevren | good thing I have three other boards |
| 20:12.24 | jbevren | its not even ppcboot thats the issue atm |
| 20:12.38 | jbevren | it's the cause, but I'm irritated cause one error on the ata bus will bring the whole OS down |
| 20:12.41 | jbevren | :) |
| 20:12.46 | jbevren | laters |
| 20:12.53 | joe_bleau | thanks for kernel |
| 20:13.16 | GPSFan | jbevren: thanks and good luck |
| 20:14.12 | jbevren | :) |
| 20:14.22 | jbevren | there's no problem with dma off fyi |
| 20:14.28 | jbevren | just dont try enabling it with hdparm at the moment |
| 20:18.32 | GPSFan | jbevren: I can read a dos fat16 hdd I have attached, I enabeld dos partitions in the kernel. I'll look into the dma stuff. |
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| 20:29.44 | redblue | hi fishhead! |
| 20:29.55 | fishhead | hi |
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| 21:01.42 | joe_bleau | Any recos on a linux distribution? I need upgrade a machine, so in the process I'll be freeing up an old p-pro that I can use for the ppc board hacking |
| 21:02.02 | joe_bleau | Something quick to install, and I don't care about eye candy |
| 21:04.23 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 21:04.38 | sunrunner20 | joe_bleau: dsl |
| 21:05.05 | sunrunner20 | hmm |
| 21:05.11 | sunrunner20 | might end up addicted to myspace |
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| 22:13.20 | joe_bleau | sherbang: got any email from the Wiki lately? ;-) |
| 22:51.39 | sherbang | joe_bleau: actually, no, why? |
| 22:54.27 | joe_bleau | Seems like every time I made an edit to the Wiki I got a message that it was sending you a notification |
| 22:54.47 | joe_bleau | I make a lot of typos, so there were a lot of minor mods |
| 22:55.21 | sherbang | heh. Yeah, I did set it to subscribe on the DHT-Walnut page. I wonder why I never got anything. |
| 22:56.15 | sherbang | looks like a lot of progress has been made. Now if only my boards will come... |
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