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02:33.49sunrunner20anybody here know anything about SMPS designs?
03:20.28GPSFanjbevren: you about?
03:20.40jbevrenlol I swear you have a camera on my house
03:20.45jbevrenI -just- got home hehe
03:20.48GPSFanlol
03:20.50jbevrenI sit down
03:20.56jbevrenI wonder 'what's Ken up to'
03:20.59jbevrenand you ask me if I'm about
03:21.02GPSFanI think I found the dma problem
03:21.04jbevrenoh?
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03:21.56jbevrenthe power circuit on the xilinx cpld board isnt enough for that thing
03:21.57jbevrenhehe
03:22.05GPSFanthe pci host bridge wasn't set up properly, I think I fixed it but am not sure I fixed it correctly. My hdd dma works, I wonder if you might be able to try it?
03:22.20jbevrensure.. got a copy that runs from ram?
03:22.25GPSFanyep
03:22.34jbevrendcc it, I'll get littlefoot fired up
03:23.39joe_bleauShoot, that was a quick fix.
03:23.48jbevrenhow do I start it?
03:24.00joe_bleaugo 400100
03:24.03jbevrenk
03:24.13GPSFanoh, loadb 400000 115200 then go 400100
03:24.14joe_bleau(Assuming you did the loadb 400000 115200)
03:24.22joe_bleauyeah, give it a try.
03:24.27jbevrenI use tftp, but yeah I load to 400000
03:24.51joe_bleauYou can tftp load the bootloader images?  Man, I should try that!
03:25.00jbevrenPPCBoot 1.1.6 (Feb  5 2006 - 20:13:45)
03:25.02jbevrenright version?
03:25.06jbevrenyeah
03:25.09jbevrenI just did :P
03:25.16jbevrenthat's how I uploaded the new image for flash too
03:25.21GPSFanyes.
03:25.29GPSFanno
03:25.38jbevrenyeah the flash has feb 4, yours is feb 5
03:25.42GPSFanthat's not the fersion to flash...
03:26.02joe_bleauDON'T FLASH THAT IMAGE!
03:26.11jbevrenoh
03:26.11jbevrenI know
03:26.14jbevrenI just ran it from ram
03:26.15joe_bleaulol
03:26.46jbevrenI love my Iiyama display
03:27.39jbevrenit works, but doesnt get the 8M/sec I did with 1.1.2
03:27.51jbevrenhowever, having PIO off is helpful whether or not its fast :)
03:27.58GPSFanjbevren: ok 1 step at at time..
03:28.04jbevrenyep I know
03:28.14jbevrenlet me throw the other tunings on
03:28.18GPSFanhow did youtest the transfer rate?
03:28.30jbevrenhdparm -Tt /dev/hde
03:28.48jbevren<PROTECTED>
03:28.48jbevren<PROTECTED>
03:28.55jbevrenthat's with 32bit on (-c1)
03:29.42jbevrenfor what I plan to do, 4M/sec is plenty fast if dma's on :)
03:29.50GPSFank, what does catint the promise /proc/ide entry show on 1.1.2
03:30.00jbevrencatint?
03:30.07GPSFans/catint cating
03:30.17jbevrencating?
03:30.27GPSFanyou know cat /proc/ide/pro22?????
03:30.30jbevrenoh
03:30.39GPSFancating  verb to cat...
03:30.45jbevrennod
03:30.49jbevrenbut you were a bit vague :)
03:30.57jbevrenwhat are you looking for in general?
03:31.00jbevrenI never checked on 1.1.2
03:31.01GPSFanit's that time of day
03:31.22jbevrenhm
03:31.25jbevrenDMA mode is 'NOTSET'
03:31.36GPSFanthe promise ide controller has a proc entry whih interesting stuff in it what did 1.1.2 say.
03:31.54jbevrenyou needed to ask me while I was running 1.1.2 :P
03:31.55jbevrenhrm
03:32.11joe_bleauAre we goona need to walk through the 1.1.2 downgrade?
03:32.16jbevrenno
03:32.18jbevrenI have 4 boards :)
03:32.21jbevrenonly one has 1.1.56
03:32.25jbevrens/56/6/
03:32.33GPSFanyeah sorry, my other 2 boards are still in the mail.
03:33.37joe_bleauI should have a drive connected in ~30 minutes.
03:34.00joe_bleauWhat binaries do I need to test?  I'm still running that busybox ramdisk mentioned in the pdf
03:34.33GPSFanjoe_bleau: you gonna stay with 2.4 kernel?
03:34.56joe_bleauDon't know/care.  I'm currently booting jbevren's off the Wiki
03:35.18GPSFanthat's 2.4.25
03:35.29jbevrenbooting
03:35.42jbevrenhe
03:35.52jbevrenI didnt realize how much dust there is on the glass between me and my terminal
03:36.41jbevrenodd
03:36.48jbevrenthis 1.1.2 board is getting 4M/sec
03:36.51jbevrenI thought I Had 8 at one point
03:36.52jbevrenanyway
03:37.19jbevrenlooks the same
03:37.36jbevren1.1.6 has a smaller interrupt check status polling delay
03:37.40jbevren2 vs 4
03:37.58GPSFanwhere you see that?
03:38.07jbevrencat /proc/ide/pdc202xx
03:38.13jbevrenInterrupt Check Status Polling Delay : 2
03:38.29GPSFank, wonder what that means?
03:38.35jbevrennot sure really
03:39.19GPSFanI would think that less delay should be better, unless it's too small.
03:39.47jbevrenwell, as I noted, I'm only getting 3.8 on this board (1.1.2) as well
03:39.53jbevrenso it looks like your pci setup is right
03:39.57jbevren(in reference to 1.1.2)
03:40.53joe_bleauThinking...wonder if I can use a PC power supply to drive both the board and a hard drive.  I can cut the +5V supply wire to the board
03:41.05jbevrenProbably
03:41.12jbevrenI'd just run the drive power to the drive
03:41.16jbevrenand a 12v line to the ppc board's 12v input
03:41.30GPSFanmy proc entry has no polling delay.
03:41.37jbevrenGPSFan: curious
03:41.43jbevrenits in the first table under General Status
03:42.01GPSFanit's zero
03:42.43GPSFanboth it and polling period are zero
03:42.53jbevrenmy period is 0
03:43.01GPSFanmaybe it's my drive, an old 2.1G seagate
03:43.07jbevrenah,
03:43.12jbevrenthat could be set by ide detect yeah
03:43.17jbevrenMine's a 80gig maxtor
03:44.04GPSFandoes your datarate double with dma on vs off?
03:44.12jbevrenone sec
03:45.19jbevrenyeah
03:45.22jbevren<PROTECTED>
03:46.03jbevrenlets see if I can kill it
03:46.07GPSFandma off Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in 38.03 seconds =  1.68 MB/sec
03:46.09jbevrenwhoot!
03:46.14jbevrenLittlefoot:~# hdparm -d1 -Xudma2 /dev/hde
03:46.16jbevren<PROTECTED>
03:46.29GPSFandma on   Timing buffered disk reads:  64 MB in 17.21 seconds =  3.72 MB/sec
03:46.29jbevrenlinux isnt setting the drive up for the udma timings
03:46.38jbevrenGPSFan: try sdma
03:46.40jbevrenon -x
03:46.50jbevrener sdma1
03:46.54jbevrenudma2 might crash with a drive that old
03:47.05jbevrenumda2 is ultra66 apparently
03:47.42GPSFan-x or -X?
03:47.47jbevrencapital x
03:47.55jbevrenlike hdparm -d1 -Xsdma1 /dev/hde
03:48.16jbevrenyou can try -Xudma2, but it may not work well on old drives :)
03:48.26jbevren(badblocks still going ok)
03:49.18jbevrenlooks like about 20% system for the 20M/sec rate
03:49.28jbevrenhovers around 14, peaks 20
03:49.36GPSFan<PROTECTED>
03:49.43jbevrenthats a bit of a boost
03:49.47jbevrensdma is just simple bursts
03:50.00jbevrensync and try udma2.  The drive might not like it, but if it does you'll be doing well
03:50.03GPSFanguess the pci issue is sort of fixed..
03:50.08jbevrenseems like it
03:52.00jbevrenrunning fsck -fn /dev/hde1
03:52.17jbevrenit makes it through fsck okay
03:53.11GPSFanthat's great, can you test any higher udam modes?
03:53.22jbevrenI dont know what the drive can do
03:53.23GPSFanudma..
03:53.26jbevrenafaik its only udma66
03:53.33jbevrenit's a udma100 controller tho, 1sec
03:53.34joe_bleauOK, I'm driving
03:53.40jbevrenjoe_bleau: getting a drive? :)
03:53.56jbevrenGPSFan: I'm using tar to read my whole fs
03:54.01jbevrenthen I'll play with higher dma modes
03:54.16GPSFanjoe_bleau:  you want the new ppcboot.bin?
03:54.21joe_bleauYeah, but it's detected as a 3G with 128k (!) of cache, so it's not going to be speedy.
03:54.53jbevrenMine's 2M buff
03:55.13jbevrenhdparm -i /dev/hde tells me it'll do udma5
03:55.14jbevrengasp
03:55.17jbevrenheh
03:55.56jbevrenseems my media speed is capped at 20M/sec
03:56.05jbevrenhowever hdparm runs tests at udma5 with no problems
03:56.29GPSFanmine will only do udma2
03:56.42jbevrenudma2's faster than most drives :)
03:57.04jbevrenin fact, it wasnt until I owned a raptor that I had one that beats 50M/sec
03:57.17jbevrenthe raptor sustains 60M/sec
03:57.39GPSFanthe sata drive on my A3000 does about 70M/sec
03:57.45jbevrenhehe
03:57.47jbevrennice
03:57.49jbevrenwhat model is it
03:58.51silverpowerGPSFan: wouldn't your Amiga choke to death on that sort of transfer rate? (If you have a PPC upgrade, I retract this statement.)
03:59.57GPSFanjbevren: maxtor something, can't see the label, it's buried inside.
04:00.03jbevrensilverpower: artis microsystems a3000
04:00.05jbevrennot amiga :)
04:00.12jbevrengpsfan :)
04:00.24jbevrenoh
04:00.31jbevrenI should check udma5 on your patched ppcboot
04:00.37GPSFansilverpower: my amiga 1000 had a 68010 at one time, never got the 68020 working.
04:00.53GPSFanjbevren: please do..
04:03.28jbevrenbooting
04:03.58joe_bleauGPSFan: what did you send me; ram or flash resident image?
04:04.10GPSFanjoe_bleau: flash at 400000
04:04.23GPSFanram ram ram!!
04:04.27jbevrenrammie
04:04.38GPSFanman I need some sleep..
04:04.41jbevrenassuming it sthe one I got :)
04:04.48jbevrenload to 400000 go at 400100
04:04.50GPSFansame one.
04:04.56jbevren<PROTECTED>
04:04.59GPSFanjoe_bleau: sorry.
04:04.59joe_bleauOK.  I've got to rethink...this PC power supply fan is too freakin' noisy, and busybox doesn't seem to have what I need in it.
04:05.02jbevrenthats on the patched 1.1.6
04:05.13jbevrenjoe :)
04:05.17joe_bleauNP, I'm down right now rewiring.
04:05.19jbevrenjoe_bleau: stick a q-tip in the psu fan
04:05.20GPSFanjoe_bleau: what do you need in bb
04:05.20jbevrenlol
04:05.41jbevrenthat ppc board shouldnt cause more heat than the psu can convect
04:05.50joe_bleauI could, with the load I'm running.  It's a wiring mess too.  I've got a great bench supply, but it's 13.8V.  Maybe it's adjustable...
04:06.02jbevrendoh
04:06.08jbevrenradioshack psu eh?
04:06.09jbevrenhehe
04:06.09GPSFanI'm running mine of a 12v 2.5a wall wart
04:06.11jbevrener, car psu
04:06.19jbevrenI got the $7 one from bgmicro
04:06.24jbevrenits an inline unit at 3a
04:06.38jbevrenthe board with my maxtor does about 1.5a during seeks
04:06.50joe_bleauThis is a 20A Austron.
04:07.19jbevrenGPSFan: so what was the apparent issue?
04:07.26jbevrenjust timing setup?
04:09.42GPSFan1.1.2 had a very simplistic pci detect & config process. in 1.1.6 they "improved it" and took the pci config away from the individual board code and made it common to all boards. It seems they didn't take the 405's host bridge into account, it wants a bigger memory segment than there is memory, but it needs it for memory mapped peripherials.
04:10.14jbevrenahh
04:10.29jbevrensince ppc is MMIO, that makes sense
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04:10.44jbevrenGPSFan: fsck and tar both run without probs in udma5
04:10.44GPSFanwhen that allocation call failed, the pci command register for the host bridge was only configured as a master without any memory or io space
04:10.56GPSFanjbevren: nice, speed?
04:11.10jbevrenas noted, 23M/sec (retesting)
04:11.22jbevrenyeah, around 22
04:11.31jbevrenhdparm -u1uc1d1Xudma5 /dev/hde
04:11.38GPSFanI added a test for the host bridge class adn if it is I forced the command reg to add memory access.
04:12.15jbevrennod
04:12.18GPSFanI'm not sure if I need to add io access as well. 1.1.2 didn't
04:12.41jbevrennot sure
04:12.46jbevrenafaik ppc doesnt have a separate IO and mem bus
04:12.50jbevren(like x86 does)
04:13.01GPSFanright.
04:13.10jbevrenon older systems, I can see the point
04:13.19jbevrenlike z80 with its 64k mem space :)
04:13.28jbevren8088 with its 1M
04:13.33GPSFanthe promise ide controller doesn't seem to mind.
04:13.44jbevrenbut with a 4G address space, its kinda pointless to have IO on a separate namespace
04:13.57jbevrenit just adds unnecessary complexity to coding and hardware
04:13.58jbevren:)
04:14.40joe_bleau12.183V after adjustment.  That'll work, and it'll be quiet (linear, no fan)
04:14.55jbevrennod
04:15.07GPSFanah, I missed the 23M/s earlier.
04:15.10jbevrenthe regulators would probably work ok on 13v, but you'd be giving your hdd 13v too
04:15.22joe_bleauprecisely
04:15.44jbevrenjust put a couple silicon power diodes in series :)
04:15.44GPSFanmy lower power wall wart was a 16V powering the board, for hours & hours...
04:15.46jbevrenthat'll drop 1.4v
04:15.50jbevren:D
04:16.03jbevrenGPSFan: nod.  the board doesnt use 12v
04:16.08jbevrenit regulates 3v and 5v
04:16.16jbevrenpci cards might use 12v
04:16.32GPSFanmine higher power one is now at 13.4v
04:16.44jbevrenheh
04:16.48jbevrensee, tahts probably a 12v regulator
04:16.52joe_bleauDoesn't the firewire card provide 12V out?
04:16.57jbevrenwith two Si diodes between it and ground to raise its reference
04:16.58jbevren:D
04:17.07jbevrenjoe_bleau: it's not 5? I never looked it up
04:17.39GPSFanhdd's can usually handle unregulate 12V from the psu, I had asystem that had the 12V at almost 20V to the hdd, ran for years..
04:17.40joe_bleauI thought the firewire connector for ipod provided 12V, so the car kits were using that to charge
04:19.13GPSFanjbevren: I am going to add the changes to the 1.1.6 flash version and generate a new binary.
04:19.21jbevrenok
04:19.33jbevrenI still need to find an eth device to retire heh
04:20.05joe_bleaulocal admin bit
04:20.43jbevrenhm
04:20.59jbevrenis grand mariner a whiskey or ?
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04:23.31GPSFanno
04:23.41jbevrenlooks to be an orange liqueor
04:25.52joe_bleauMuch better.  I've got the drive whining, but at least I don't have to listen to that ps fan
04:26.02jbevrenhehe
04:26.10jbevrenI got soem elcheapo atx psu's
04:26.13jbevrenI wonder how noisy they are
04:26.28jbevrenmy test drive is behind a sheet of glass, so I dont hear most of its noise
04:28.50joe_bleauI must have made a mess of the ramdisk when I moved it to openbsd
04:30.10jbevrenmm OpenBSD
04:30.13jbevrenas secure as a blowfish
04:30.15jbevrenand just as friendly too
04:30.17jbevren:D
04:30.30joe_bleauThat's the sparcstation 2
04:30.54joe_bleaulet's see...could it be hde, not hda?
04:30.59jbevrenhde
04:31.06jbevrenpromise assumes its ide2
04:31.06joe_bleauPDC20265: FORCING BURST BIT 0x00->0x01 ACTIVE
04:31.06joe_bleau<PROTECTED>
04:31.06joe_bleau<PROTECTED>
04:31.06joe_bleauProbing IDE interface ide2...
04:31.06joe_bleauhde: WDC AC33100H, ATA DISK drive
04:31.16joe_bleauOk, so clue me in on a mknod
04:31.27jbevrenmajor 33
04:32.38silverpowerwait, where's ide0/1?
04:33.33joe_bleauDon't know.
04:33.34joe_bleauUniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00beta4-2.4
04:33.34joe_bleauide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
04:33.34joe_bleauPDC20265: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:04.0
04:33.35joe_bleauPDC20265: chipset revision 2
04:33.35joe_bleauPDC20265: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
04:33.36joe_bleauPDC20265: (U)DMA Burst Bit DISABLED Primary PCI Mode Secondary PCI Mode.
04:33.38joe_bleauPDC20265: FORCING BURST BIT 0x00->0x01 ACTIVE
04:33.40joe_bleau<PROTECTED>
04:33.42joe_bleau<PROTECTED>
04:33.44joe_bleauProbing IDE interface ide2...
04:33.46joe_bleauhde: WDC AC33100H, ATA DISK drive
04:33.48joe_bleauUnhandled interrupt 1f, disabled
04:33.50joe_bleauProbing IDE interface ide3...
04:33.52joe_bleauide3: Wait for ready failed before probe !
04:33.54joe_bleauide2 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 31
04:33.56joe_bleauhde: attached ide-disk driver.
04:33.58joe_bleauhde: 6185088 sectors (3167 MB) w/128KiB Cache, CHS=6136/16/63
04:34.00joe_bleauPartition check:
04:34.01jbevrenide3 is the bus that's not connected to anything :)
04:34.02joe_bleau<PROTECTED>
04:34.04joe_bleaueth0: Speed: 10, Half duplex.
04:34.06joe_bleau<PROTECTED>
04:34.08joe_bleauSCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00
04:34.10joe_bleauraw1394: /dev/raw1394 device initialized
04:35.24silverpower:shrug: Must be some weirdness on the part of the board.
04:35.30jbevren?
04:35.37jbevrenoh
04:35.39jbevrenide0/1?
04:35.42jbevrenas I said
04:35.46jbevrenthe promise driver assumes its ide2
04:35.59jbevrenit's a PC-ism
04:36.19jbevrentry a system with 4 promise cards :)
04:36.25jbevrenyou get clear to hdo and hdp
04:36.27silverpowerjbevren: ... :facepalm: oh, DUH.
04:36.38jbevrensilverpower: tell me youre not using comic chat :)
04:36.44GPSFanthe promise chip is supposed to be able to coexist with the legacy ide subsystem.
04:37.01GPSFanin a PC
04:37.07silverpowerjbevren: nope. What, is that an actual command?
04:38.13jbevrenhehe
04:38.20jbevrenit's a most irritating software product that came with win95
04:38.25jbevrenan irc application that chats in a comic frame
04:39.35joe_bleauThis drive was off a winblows box, and I'll bet busybox doesn't have vfat or msdos filesystem support compiled in.
04:39.39joe_bleau# mount /dev/hde1 /mnt/test
04:39.39joe_bleauVFS: Can't find ext3 filesystem on dev ide2(33,1).
04:39.39joe_bleauVFS: Can't find ext2 filesystem on dev ide2(33,1).
04:39.39joe_bleaucramfs: wrong magic
04:39.39joe_bleaunfs warning: mount version older than kernel
04:39.39joe_bleauNFS: mount program didn't pass remote address!
04:39.41joe_bleaumount: Mounting /dev/hde1 on /mnt/test failed: Invalid argument
04:39.53jbevrenjoe_bleau: my config doesnt have vfat
04:40.04jbevrenits nto a busybox thing :)
04:40.07jbevrenits a kernel thing
04:40.12joe_bleau'k
04:45.01GPSFanjoe_bleau: the usj.gz I sent you didn't have the /dev/hde entries or the -d option for hdparm. I have a new usj.gz that has all that if you wan it.
04:45.39joe_bleauYou sent me a .gz?
04:45.46silverpowerjbevren: Oh, that thing! That IRC program that can't keep up with a typical #$DISTRO channel, and bastardized the protocol?
04:47.09joe_bleauSure, why not.  I'm just spinnin' my wheels with what I've got.
04:47.19GPSFanjoe_bleau: thought I did.. here it comes.
04:48.41silverpowerjbevren: I once attempted to use it on #gentoo (for shits and giggles), and within about 30sec, the client had been hammered to death and I had BSODs.
04:48.53jbevrenhehe
04:50.07GPSFanjoe_bleau: logon as root, no password
04:50.42silverpowerDear goddess, I did NOT want to see that.
04:51.38jbevrengrumble
04:51.45jbevrenall the good recipes call for a freaking 14" dutch oven
04:52.21GPSFanjoe_bleau: it won't work on the DENX 2.6.15 kernel. works ok on jbevren's 2.4.25.
04:52.27joe_bleauOK.
04:52.36joe_bleauGive me a minute to move it around
04:52.38jbevren:)
04:52.52jbevrenif only I could get the stupid usb kbd to work :(
04:52.59jbevrenthat said, Ive only tried this one kbd
04:53.02jbevrenwhere's my imac one.. hrm
04:55.47joe_bleauGPSFan: what exactly did you send me...my loopback mount attempt didn't recognize it
04:56.48GPSFanit has been mkimag'ed l can't loop mount it I can send you the pre-mkimaged one if you want to loop mount it.
04:57.22joe_bleauWell, I had to loop mount and tar the last ramdisk, so that I could do the NFS thing
04:57.44joe_bleauopenbsd doesn't recognize ext2, and my linux box doesn't serve nfs...
04:57.46GPSFanah, it's meant to be tftpboot transfered.
04:58.01jbevrennod
04:58.11jbevrentftpboot c00000 ramdisk.img
04:58.16jbevrenbootm 400000 c00000
04:58.47silverpowerAny chance we could increase the power that the board can handle? Between a USB card, sound card (even unamped) and a video card, not to mention that firewire card, I imagine I'll wipe out every available milliwatt available onboard.
04:58.53GPSFanIf you want to do nfs mount stuff and tweak what's inside this is it.
04:59.13jbevrenof course, I'm looking for my effin' imac kbd, so I wont be able to find it :(
04:59.36jbevrensilverpower: Erm, it only has two slots :)
04:59.54jbevrenI'm currently running usb2+vga with no prob
05:00.21joe_bleauOK, I'm in.
05:00.26silverpowerjbevren: Thanks to the magic of 'Active PCI Riser Cards', I can have the 4 PCI slots I anticipate needing.
05:00.28fishheadman I was a pro
05:00.29fishheadtonight
05:00.38fishheadmy uncle's k6-233 pc is dying
05:00.50fishheadso I grabbed a old k6-2 400 compaq I found in someone's trash and rebuilt bubt didn't have use for
05:01.13fishheadI spent half the day today trying to download updates and stuff for win98 and win98se and burn them to disc before I got to his house with dial up
05:01.14fishheadget there
05:01.19fishheadFORGOT A CANUCKING PS/2 KEYBOARD
05:01.23fishheadI was so livid
05:01.36fishheadthen I remebered I bought 2 optical mice with me
05:01.38fishheadcut the end off one
05:01.43fishheadspliced it to the keyboard
05:01.47fishheadW00T THERE IT IS
05:01.55silverpower...wow.
05:02.11jbevrensilverpower: a good 'active pci card' will have its own power connector :)
05:02.20jbevrenmine does
05:02.35silverpowerjbevren: really.
05:02.38jbevrennod
05:02.51jbevrenpci66/64 4slot riser with DEC ethernet bridge
05:03.00jbevrenit has a standard drive-style molex poewr connector
05:03.13jbevrenGPSFan: all this ppc hacking makes me want to dig my powercomputing TPMP2 out :)
05:03.23joe_bleauLot of good this drive will be...no DMA support.
05:03.26GPSFanjbevren: there is no guarantee thet 1.1.6 can init that pci-pci bridge.
05:03.43jbevrenjoe_bleau: even with hdparm -d1?
05:03.53jbevrenGPSFan: I dont care, linux should
05:03.55joe_bleauhdparm -I says no
05:03.57jbevrenbut I dont plan to use it
05:04.01jbevrenjoe_bleau: sux :(
05:04.07joe_bleauLemme try some others, slightly newer...
05:04.09jbevrenGPSFan: its in my fileserver :)
05:04.22GPSFanjoe_bleau: that one must be even older than mine..
05:04.35joe_bleauIt's an antique
05:04.37GPSFanjbevren: ah.. good place for it.
05:04.50joe_bleau1997
05:04.55jbevrenGPSFan: considering I have 2x raid card, 1x RILOE card, and 1x gigE
05:05.02jbevrenand hte board only has 2x pci.. :)
05:05.04GPSFanmine's 98
05:05.11joe_bleau2000?
05:05.29jbevrenwow 3G in 97?
05:05.33jbevrenyoure rich :)
05:05.50silverpowerhaha.
05:05.51joe_bleauWho said I got it new?
05:06.02joe_bleauOrigin boy
05:07.06silverpowerHey! Don't knock the +200 SGI Origin 2000 of Ubercomputing.
05:08.12joe_bleauHmm.  30GB + 2MB cache from 2000...hdparm -I says no DMA.
05:08.32silverpowerhttp://www.turtlebeach.com/site/products/audioadvantage/producthome.asp
05:08.50silverpower^^^ maybe that'd be enough for a sound chip to use?
05:09.28silverpowerErm, rephrase - maybe that'd get rid of this extraneous sound card for me.
05:10.10jbevrenheh
05:10.14jbevrenjust use a usb audio dongle :)
05:10.27jbevrenjoe_bleau: I'd get a full distro on there,
05:10.32fishheadjoe
05:10.35fishheadno way it doens't have dma
05:10.36fishheadit's either
05:10.37jbevrenbb's hdparm might have issues with reporting stuff
05:10.44fishheada) blacklisted drive known to lose data in dma
05:10.51fishheadb) controller on the mb isn't fully supported
05:10.55joe_bleauThat's what I'm thinking, so I turned it on and tried to dd from /dev/hde to /dev/null
05:11.01jbevrenfishhead: b's not the case :)
05:11.04jbevrenI have mine in udma5 mode
05:11.22fishheadwd did some fucking stupid shit a few yrs ago
05:11.29fishheadthey reused non-udma33 controllers for udma33
05:11.31jbevrenwho's we? :)
05:11.43fishheadand bios vendors knew about this and windows would silentely disable that shit
05:11.45fishheadbut linux got bit
05:11.49fishheadthen wd tried to blame linux
05:11.56jbevrenwell
05:11.59jbevrenwhen you buy wd
05:12.01jbevrenyou get what you pay for
05:12.07jbevrenthere's a -very- good reason theyre the cheapest
05:12.11jbevrencause they -are-.
05:12.11jbevren:)
05:12.23silverpower...why am I having flashbacks of the PM6200?
05:12.35fishheadseagate bought maxtor
05:12.35fishheadso now
05:12.36jbevrensilverpower: atari 2600?
05:12.39fishheadseagate owns conner and maxtor
05:12.47fishheadand owning maxtor now they have quantum and micropolis now too
05:12.47jbevrenfishhead: and quantum
05:13.13silverpowerfishhead: it's official - seagate and hitachi own us all. :)
05:13.21fishheadyeah for now
05:13.26fishheadmaxtor been sucking ass
05:13.27fishheadbut
05:13.34fishheadthery had good dsp cache algorithums
05:13.39fishheadand they had good platter machines
05:13.43fishheadso seagate bought them for that
05:13.43silverpowerjbevren: Look up the PowerMac 6200 sometime.
05:14.02GPSFanI just flashed my jtag equiped board, boots ok.
05:14.13silverpowerjbevren: Or certain Quadras.
05:14.26jbevrensilverpower: I'm aware
05:14.30jbevrensilverpower: even worse
05:14.32jbevrenthe pmac 5200
05:14.35jbevrenthe -worst- mac to own
05:14.42jbevrenits physically incapable of disk dma
05:14.54jbevrenand the ppc is on a 16bit bus to boot
05:14.57silverpowerjbevren: ...that's just WRONG.
05:15.19jbevrenthe macs sucked while jobs was on leave
05:15.30jbevrenwhen he came back, the detestable (but quick) all-in-one G3 came out
05:15.41jbevrenand the 7200s with pci :)
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05:16.07GPSFanudma2 seems to work..
05:16.13jbevrenGPSFan: woot
05:16.20silverpowerThe PCI Powermacs were pretty good, but most of the NuBus PowerMacs are utter garbage.
05:16.31jbevrenagain, while jobs was out.. :)
05:16.43jbevrenmost oldworld macs are junk
05:16.50joe_bleaudmesg shows dma this time (new ppcboot)
05:17.01silverpowerjbevren: Like the TAM?
05:17.11jbevrenthat was a joke
05:17.15jbevrenI swear, honest
05:17.17silverpowerCool idea, but the OF was so utterly broken that it wasn't funny.
05:17.23jbevrenwho'd release a 68k mac 20 years after the mac's inception
05:17.34jbevrentam wasnt an OF mac (?)
05:17.47silverpowerTAM was a PPC OF mac.
05:17.49jbevrenafaik it was an oldworld 680x0 mac
05:17.52jbevrenahh
05:17.55jbevrenshrug
05:18.01jbevrenit was ugly too
05:18.02jbevren:)
05:18.30silverpowerIt had an utterly broken OF implementation, and I swear they just reused all that NuBus crap again.
05:18.42jbevrenshrug
05:18.43jbevrenheh
05:18.47jbevrendoesnt matter
05:18.56jbevrenapple lost the last portion of intelligence they had
05:19.04jbevrenwhen they chose to not go with the motorola 88k cpu's
05:19.37jbevrenthey could have gone with the 68060 if they would have fixed their virtual mem code
05:19.44jbevrenFusion did it
05:19.46jbevrenhehe
05:20.16silverpowerjbevren: That's because DEC gave Apple the finger, or I'd be running an Alpha EV56 Powerbook ATM.
05:20.25jbevrenbut they tested the mc88000 series and decided to make a slower and less powerful cpu instead :)
05:20.36jbevrenhehe
05:20.46jbevrenspeaking of books, I want naturetech's big laptop
05:20.53jbevrenbut the pricetag is a half year's wages
05:21.14jbevrenyou can get a good lexus for that much dough
05:21.39jbevrenanywho
05:21.43jbevrenI'm off to sleep
05:21.47jbevrenss ya
05:21.49jbevrener
05:21.49jbevrensee ya
05:21.55silverpowerjbevren: see ya.
05:22.45joe_bleauThanks for the kernel stuff and advice
05:26.31GPSFanjbevren: joe_bleau: wiki updated.
05:27.39joe_bleauHmm.  hdparm -t should take how long?
05:27.45jbevrenok I'll read it tomorrow
05:27.53jbevrenjoe_bleau: about (less than you can see) seconds
05:28.03jbevrensleep for real now
05:28.22GPSFanjoe_bleau: mine takes a while ~20 sec
05:28.26joe_bleau>3 minutes would be bad?
05:28.37GPSFancould be. ;>(
05:28.48joe_bleau# hdparm -T /dev/hde
05:28.48joe_bleau<PROTECTED>
05:29.00jbevren<PROTECTED>
05:29.04jbevrenthats more of a ram speed test
05:29.12joe_bleauYeah, and at least it finishes
05:29.20jbevrenohhhh
05:29.22jbevrenyours is size-based
05:29.29jbevrenmine is time-based
05:29.33jbevrenit runs for x seconds :)
05:29.38jbevrenanyway, bedtime :)
05:30.08GPSFanjbevren: I bet your hdparm is gnu hdparm, mine & joe_bleau's are busyboxen
05:32.12GPSFanjbevren: night..
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13:03.46prpplaguehttp://conferences.oreillynet.com/euos2006/
13:03.59prpplaguei was thinking about submitting a paper on hacking the juicebox
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14:25.46jbevrenprpplague: btw, did you read my note about my 8M juicebox with the led?
14:26.11prpplaguejbevren: no sorry i have not
14:26.15jbevrenheh
14:26.20jbevrenit was while you were snoozing
14:26.21prpplaguejbevren: it on the wiki?
14:26.28prpplagueoh
14:26.28jbevrennope
14:26.38prpplaguejbevren: so whats the scooop?
14:26.42jbevrenI read on the wiki that 8M juiceboxes dont have the led by the REW button
14:26.44jbevrenmine does
14:26.50jbevrenand it has the 8M sdram IC
14:27.08prpplaguejbevren: ahh yea, i have found some inconsistances in that regard as well
14:27.33prpplaguejbevren: i have two units without leds tht are 2M models
14:28.04jbevrennod
14:28.10jbevrenI got mine for $5 at a local sale :)
14:28.16prpplaguejbevren: what do you think about doing a presentation on hacking the juicebox?
14:28.27jbevrensomeone in town buys palletes from walmart and target for (relatively) cheap
14:28.50jbevrenheh.  I'd just follow your footsteps :)
14:28.51prpplaguejbevren: "A systematic approach to embedded device Hacking"
14:29.20jbevrenI'd be very interested in learning though
14:29.35prpplaguejbevren: i thought i would cover the Zipit, Pixter, and Juicebox
14:30.07jbevrenthe ever-familiar arm cpu :)
14:30.13prpplaguehehe
14:30.35prpplaguei still need to get a pixter MM to see what chip they are using now
14:30.43jbevrennod
14:30.57jbevrenarent pixters the ones that can present independent images on tv and lcd?
14:31.10prpplaguejbevren: naw
14:31.31prpplaguejbevren: or atleast i'm not aware of that feature for the new MM version
14:31.44jbevrenah
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14:31.50jbevrenKen
14:31.56prpplagueGPSFan: hey
14:32.05GPSFanmorning..
14:32.11jbevrenprpplague: I think I'm going to push myself on learning embedded applications
14:32.16jbevrenI'm getting tired of the IT field :)
14:32.29prpplagueGPSFan: euroOSCON is looking for some presentations on device hacking
14:32.43prpplagueGPSFan: i was thinking about submitting on
14:32.44prpplagueone
14:32.58prpplagueGPSFan: "A systematic approach to embedded device Hacking"
14:33.16GPSFanyour jb hack is one of the most complicated i've seen..
14:33.35prpplagueGPSFan: ?? really, i thought it was pretty simple, hehe
14:34.51prpplagueGPSFan: hehe
14:35.06prpplagueGPSFan: yea, there are suppose to be shipping
14:35.19prpplagueGPSFan: i've been sick since last thursday so i've not gotten an update
14:35.23prpplagueGPSFan: find out today
14:35.45GPSFansorry, being sick sucks..
14:35.56prpplagueGPSFan: yea, some sort of local flu
14:36.14prpplagueGPSFan: weird thing though, it made my lower back hurt really bad
14:39.05jbevrenprpplague: kidneys?
14:40.22prpplaguejbevren: thats what i was thinking
14:43.06prpplaguehttp://www.amazon.com/gp/product/059600222X/sr=1-1/qid=1139236962/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9096448-8491215?%5Fencoding=UTF8
14:43.54prpplaguehttp://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0672322269/sr=1-2/qid=1139236962/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-9096448-8491215?%5Fencoding=UTF8
14:44.50jbevrencool, the second link has a 'buy both' option :)
14:48.00prpplagueyea that device driver book is good as well
14:48.09jbevrenheh
14:48.14prpplaguehttp://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0750677309/qid=1139237265/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-9096448-8491215?s=books&v=glance&n=283155
14:50.09GPSFanthe second one has no mention of jtag or useful stuff like buildroot/OE/busybox/crosstools. they list buildrootfilesystems, but that's not buildroot.
14:50.56jbevrenI worked with buildroot
14:50.58jbevrennice tool
14:51.17GPSFanthis in th index, I'be more inclined to get the o'reilley
14:51.39jbevrenIve never been unhappy with oreilley books
14:52.27GPSFanI have 2 on C and one on linux drivers, "don't leave home without 'em"
14:53.29prpplagueGPSFan: yea most of those books are just general guides, there is a @$#%^ load you just can't learn from a book currently
14:54.44GPSFanhow true, but the second one seems to be pushing a different set of build and compile tools, maybe I'm just partial to bb & buildroot...
14:56.07jbevrenprpplague: that I know too well :)
14:56.22jbevrenlke the stuff I learned from gpsfan and sorphin while working with the a3000
14:56.36jbevrenthat experience made these bgmicro boards easy to figure out
14:56.37jbevrenhehe
14:57.26jbevrenany others?  I'm pondering ordering while the session is intact heh
14:57.52GPSFanjbevren: yeah, those 2 projects really complemented each other.
14:58.37jbevrenUnderstanding the Linux Kernel (2nd Edition) - Daniel P. Bovet;
14:58.37jbevrenCo-verification of Hardware and Software for ARM SoC Design (Embedded Technology) - Jason Andrews;
14:58.37jbevrenLinux Device Drivers, 3rd Edition - Jonathan Corbet;
14:58.37jbevrenLinux Kernel Development (2nd Edition) - Robert Love;
14:58.37jbevrenBuilding Embedded Linux Systems - Karim Yaghmour;
14:58.37jbevrenEmbedded Linux: Hardware, Software, and Interfacing - Craig Hollabaugh
14:58.40jbevren(/flood)
14:59.21GPSFanI've used the same basic userland framework for Zipit, A3000, ADS GC+, and now DHT-Walnut.
14:59.33jbevrenhehe
15:17.37jbevrendoh. amazon doesnt have the mp3 kit available :)
15:18.00prpplaguejbevren: funny funny, my boss just said he was looking for a good embedded linux book
15:18.14jbevrenhehe
15:20.09jbevrenhow did my order go from 189 to 213?
15:21.03GPSFantax, shipping, kickbacks?
15:21.13jbevrenit was quoting prices for a card I dont have
15:46.28jbevrenyay order placed
15:46.32jbevrenprpplague: thx for the list
15:46.52prpplaguejbevren: np
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15:54.12prpplaguejbevren: i got started doing thin clients for a former employeer
15:54.21prpplaguejbevren: had been doing linux for awhile
15:54.36jbevrenah
15:54.44jbevrenIve been using linux for ~9 years now
15:54.51jbevrenas a primary OS
15:55.05jbevrenbeen doing support/sysadmin for linux servers for 5
15:55.10jbevrener, 4
15:56.43prpplagueembedded isn't for everyone who uses linux
15:56.49prpplagueits a whole different mind set
15:59.35jbevrennod
16:00.00jbevrenoptimizing for a specific purpose and dropping other functionality
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17:27.24GPSFansorphin: hey how's it goin?
17:27.35prpplaguesorphin: hey hey bud
17:32.02sorphinhola
17:32.11prpplaguesorphin: que paso?
17:32.11sorphinGPSFan: busybusy, yourself?
17:32.13jbevrensorphin :)
17:32.23sorphinprpplague: lo davey
17:32.28GPSFansame stuff different year..
17:32.53sorphinI got some annoying news today.. that is gonna cost me $30/month
17:33.09sorphinstupid House (as in US goverment House/senate/etc)
17:34.23prpplaguesorphin: oh?
17:35.51sorphinyep
17:36.14sorphinthey snuck something on a bill that now if you're on probation (regardless of why)/parole or any of that
17:36.18sorphinyou have to pay for it
17:36.28sorphinso now not only do i have to pay to phone in, i have to pay that crap too
17:37.01prpplaguesorphin: doh
17:37.23sorphinyep
17:37.37sorphin"Thanks a lot MCI".. buncha morons
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17:50.31prpplaguecougarvt: howdy
17:50.37prpplaguecougarvt: hows the hacking goin?
17:50.57jbevrenanother reason to not own a cellphone
17:51.44prpplaguejbevren: hehe, well there is more to that
18:01.34sorphinuh... ok
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18:50.39fishheadomg
18:50.44fishheadI think getting off the seroquel worked
18:50.48fishheadI had a wild dream
18:50.55fishheadlike with this chick and well....
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18:51.23fishheadhow are you doing prpp
18:53.51prpplague~lart fishhead
18:54.09fishheadthx
18:54.12fishheaddoesn't work anyways
18:54.15prpplaguefishhead: i don't know if you are talking to me unless you use my nick
18:54.19prpplaguefishhead: ssdd
18:54.27fishheadok
18:54.28prpplaguefishhead: trying to do a network driver
18:54.34fishheadcool
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20:00.18fishheadhah no matter how many times I watch this clip of voltron I cry
20:00.21fishheadthat's just so cool
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