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| 04:37.34 | jbevren | http://commodore-gg.hobby.nl/minimig.jpg |
| 04:37.48 | J4k3 | *hot* |
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| 12:36.26 | prpplague | ~logs |
| 12:36.28 | purl | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
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| 14:08.18 | sorphin | GPSFan: morning sir |
| 14:09.39 | black_Nightmare | hey |
| 14:11.15 | sorphin | lo |
| 14:11.22 | GPSFan | sorphin: howdy.. |
| 14:11.24 | black_Nightmare | whats new? |
| 14:11.51 | sorphin | GPSFan: how's things mr ken? |
| 14:12.05 | sorphin | black_Nightmare: nothin, just work. |
| 14:12.45 | black_Nightmare | oh heh ok |
| 14:12.59 | black_Nightmare | I'm finding many of the linux hack ideas (link in topic) really interesting anyhow hehe |
| 14:13.33 | black_Nightmare | and to think that some people always joked about having a computer in a toaster .. and one epia mini-itx owner *actually* did so too |
| 14:13.38 | black_Nightmare | heh |
| 14:13.58 | GPSFan | sorphin: ok, yoy see the new board jbevren joe_bleau & I have been playing with? |
| 14:16.07 | black_Nightmare | and here's one thing I found that I never thought would have existed... a parallel<>ethernet bridge. heh I've heard of usb-ethernet but this is new to me |
| 14:17.13 | prpplague | black_Nightmare: why is that unusual? |
| 14:17.59 | black_Nightmare | well..to me....I never ever saw one in all the times I've seen some strange computer parts online |
| 14:19.24 | prpplague | black_Nightmare: basically almost all nic chipsets are parallel based, only differece with the lpt based versions is they are 4 bit wide instead of 8,16, or 32 |
| 14:20.17 | GPSFan | prpplague: Xircom used to make one, a loooong time ago. |
| 14:20.24 | black_Nightmare | oh hmm...didn't know of that ^ . but then I guess its like what everyone says.. you learn something new every day! |
| 14:20.26 | black_Nightmare | :p |
| 14:20.54 | black_Nightmare | say..on a minor topic - how often any of you ever seen any kind of webtv boxes at all? |
| 14:21.13 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, i'm using the old de600.c driver to interface to some hardware |
| 14:23.49 | jbevren | GPSFan: XF86 works on the DHT |
| 14:23.54 | jbevren | however |
| 14:23.58 | jbevren | console kbd stilld oes not |
| 14:24.18 | prpplague | jbevren: ps2 style interface? |
| 14:24.50 | jbevren | prpplague: usb |
| 14:24.55 | prpplague | jbevren: ahh |
| 14:24.56 | jbevren | there's no kbd interface on the board of course |
| 14:25.10 | prpplague | oh, i was just look at the specs to see |
| 14:25.11 | jbevren | prpplague: keyboard events reach /dev/input/event0, but not the console |
| 14:25.28 | jbevren | I think the console driver is borken either due to denx's patches or due to a configuration issue |
| 14:25.33 | jbevren | I have everything on I have on for my HP though |
| 14:25.34 | prpplague | jbevren: ahh |
| 14:25.43 | jbevren | and the HP is likewise USB-only |
| 14:25.44 | GPSFan | jbevren: nice, I know that mouse stuff in tiny-x/kdrive is hosed. |
| 14:26.06 | jbevren | GPSFan: ah. Oh, the 'mga' driver doesnt work either in X |
| 14:26.12 | jbevren | I'd -think- it would |
| 14:26.27 | jbevren | since ppc's such a popular alternate architecture |
| 14:26.51 | prpplague | jbevren: i have a bunch of these i have hacked up to use with standard rs-232 for doing dev bring ups , its nice to have a full size kbd |
| 14:26.54 | prpplague | jbevren: http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=ACC10692 |
| 14:27.34 | prpplague | jbevren: basically nothing more than a ps2 to rs-232 adapter |
| 14:27.38 | jbevren | I know |
| 14:27.40 | jbevren | I have some :) |
| 14:27.47 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:27.48 | jbevren | but, that would require more kernel patching than getting usb to work |
| 14:27.57 | prpplague | jbevren: no, not really |
| 14:28.03 | prpplague | jbevren: i just use linbar |
| 14:28.15 | jbevren | considering usb already works with X? |
| 14:28.39 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, yea well, most of my boards bring ups are a long way from running x hehe |
| 14:29.08 | prpplague | jbevren: http://freshmeat.net/projects/linbar/ |
| 14:29.10 | jbevren | my point is that usb does work |
| 14:29.16 | prpplague | jbevren: gotcha |
| 14:29.17 | jbevren | its just not connecting HID to console |
| 14:29.58 | prpplague | jbevren: linbar just takes input from a tty (mostly serial tty's) and redirects it to the console kbd |
| 14:30.23 | prpplague | jbevren: originally designed for barcode scanners, but it works ofcourse with anything serial based |
| 14:31.54 | jbevren | ahh |
| 14:32.09 | jbevren | is it userspace or kernel? |
| 14:32.13 | prpplague | userspace |
| 14:32.16 | jbevren | neat |
| 14:32.17 | prpplague | easy as pie to use |
| 14:32.25 | jbevren | http://www.cs-net.gr/linbar/ |
| 14:32.26 | jbevren | 404 |
| 14:32.34 | prpplague | doh |
| 14:32.46 | jbevren | the tarballs' on a different url |
| 14:32.51 | jbevren | doesnt look hopeful though |
| 14:33.08 | prpplague | odd |
| 14:33.15 | jbevren | connecting.. (zz) |
| 14:34.11 | prpplague | hmm, guess i need to put that up somewhere |
| 14:34.50 | prpplague | sunsite.unc.edu /pub/Linux/system/serial |
| 14:36.22 | prpplague | jbevren: that one works |
| 14:36.34 | jbevren | nod |
| 14:36.35 | jbevren | thanks |
| 14:36.47 | prpplague | np |
| 14:36.52 | prpplague | nice util to have around |
| 14:40.01 | jbevren | grand |
| 14:40.03 | jbevren | its a C++ app |
| 14:40.05 | jbevren | wtf for? |
| 14:40.22 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, nothing special |
| 14:40.32 | jbevren | I dont have powerpc-g++ built |
| 14:40.35 | prpplague | jbevren: it could be re-writen in c very easily |
| 14:40.39 | prpplague | jbevren: doh |
| 14:42.17 | jbevren | :) |
| 14:42.29 | jbevren | I'll just take the lazy-out and install gcc on the ppc board :) |
| 14:42.36 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:44.06 | sorphin | GPSFan: negative, i'm not realy here much these days |
| 14:44.33 | sorphin | ~bitchslap prpplague |
| 14:44.39 | purl | ACTION beats the sh*t out of prpplague |
| 14:44.39 | sorphin | bah |
| 14:44.39 | sorphin | purl: you suck |
| 14:44.45 | sorphin | nice lag there |
| 14:44.46 | GPSFan | sorphin: ic. |
| 14:44.54 | sorphin | GPSFan: too much of a life, heh |
| 14:45.36 | sorphin | GPSFan: just paid for my x0xb0x |
| 14:45.38 | sorphin | woo |
| 14:45.52 | GPSFan | might actually get to hack a bit on the dct5000 in a bit, I've been encouraged by playing with jtag on the DHT |
| 14:45.53 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe, ok i know i deserved that for something i've done today, just not sure what |
| 14:46.20 | sorphin | GPSFan: cool, i'd like to make some use of the damn things finally, hehe |
| 14:46.26 | sorphin | prpplague: existing |
| 14:46.28 | sorphin | ;) |
| 14:46.33 | prpplague | good enough |
| 14:46.37 | sorphin | hehe |
| 14:48.29 | sorphin | jbevren: you'd not mentioned any new board on IM |
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| 14:49.11 | jbevren | I did |
| 14:49.22 | sorphin | uhh |
| 14:49.52 | sorphin | in english to me on this planet? |
| 14:51.00 | prpplague | sorphin: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/DHT-Walnut |
| 14:52.12 | sorphin | prpplague: ah, neat |
| 14:52.24 | sorphin | probably best i wasn't around |
| 14:52.38 | sorphin | else i'd have bought one and it'd wind up w/ the rest of the stuff i'm not doing anything with |
| 14:57.01 | prpplague | i have so much work to do, and i want to do is go take a nap |
| 14:57.40 | black_Nightmare | I know how that feels prpplague... driving around a lot in one day sometimes |
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| 18:46.21 | fishhead | canucks |
| 18:46.22 | fishhead | canucks |
| 18:46.27 | fishhead | :D |
| 18:46.51 | fishhead | well I am learning how to hack a furnace control system |
| 18:46.59 | fishhead | had to bypass a safety sensor to stay warm last night |
| 18:48.54 | fishhead | next project is to un-halfass the drain system so that it doesn't leak and corrode the electrical system again |
| 18:59.24 | jbevren | .. bypass a safety sensor |
| 18:59.29 | jbevren | yeah thats reall f/in smart |
| 19:00.04 | J4k3 | sometimes you gotta do it |
| 19:00.09 | J4k3 | when your fuel pump fuse goes out |
| 19:00.13 | J4k3 | in the middle of the desert |
| 19:00.21 | J4k3 | you don't dick around about finding another fuse |
| 19:00.24 | J4k3 | you find a paperclip ;) |
| 19:00.25 | fishhead | uhh |
| 19:00.30 | fishhead | it's rotted out |
| 19:00.34 | jbevren | replace it? :) |
| 19:00.40 | fishhead | thx to the idiot that put in the water drain |
| 19:00.47 | fishhead | that drips into the control system |
| 19:00.55 | jbevren | that idiot should be sued |
| 19:00.57 | fishhead | they did the drain wrong before it and flooded the basment |
| 19:01.01 | jbevren | wreckless endangerment |
| 19:01.12 | fishhead | they also put a 120,000 btw furnace in a 60,000 house |
| 19:01.18 | fishhead | the control system had a stroke |
| 19:01.19 | J4k3 | thats a good thing, flyback |
| 19:01.20 | jbevren | that's not harmful |
| 19:01.28 | fishhead | the control system had a stroke |
| 19:01.34 | fishhead | from cyling so much |
| 19:01.35 | jbevren | the control system apparently sucks |
| 19:01.48 | fishhead | no it had too much heat to dump |
| 19:01.50 | fishhead | couldn't do it |
| 19:01.53 | jbevren | no, it sucks. |
| 19:01.55 | fishhead | so the new guys plugged a burner |
| 19:01.56 | J4k3 | unluckily to make it all happy I have to keep the fan speeds on high... so it makes a lot of noise |
| 19:01.58 | jbevren | if it cant handle cycling, its trash. |
| 19:02.04 | fishhead | thry are all like that |
| 19:02.06 | jbevren | good god, do you live in hickville? |
| 19:02.08 | fishhead | I did research |
| 19:02.13 | jbevren | really? |
| 19:02.19 | jbevren | cause my furnace is about 80kbtu over |
| 19:02.25 | jbevren | and it hasnt needed repair for 40 years |
| 19:02.33 | jbevren | I think your control system sucks |
| 19:02.38 | fishhead | yeah even the new honeywell control system warns about excess cycling' |
| 19:02.47 | fishhead | doesn't mattwr it's been replaceed |
| 19:02.53 | J4k3 | I keep the breakers popped on the secondary aux heat (I have a heat pump, I live in texas) |
| 19:02.54 | fishhead | and yes I am replacing the sensor asap |
| 19:02.54 | jbevren | maybe they need to go 40 years back in technology |
| 19:03.06 | J4k3 | I kept catching the relay kicking in on cold nights, but it got so damned hot, so fast... |
| 19:03.20 | fishhead | who knows dude I wasn't here when this furnace was put in |
| 19:03.23 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:03.25 | fishhead | the guy that did it is a shell of a man now |
| 19:03.28 | jbevren | sounds like the installer needs a lawsuit |
| 19:03.29 | jbevren | :) |
| 19:03.31 | fishhead | so I am not going to sue him |
| 19:03.39 | jbevren | make him come fix it |
| 19:03.45 | fishhead | his daugther commited sucide on her 16th bday |
| 19:03.46 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:03.50 | jbevren | sucks to be him! |
| 19:03.55 | J4k3 | very |
| 19:04.06 | jbevren | my sister attempted suicide when she was 17 |
| 19:04.10 | jbevren | we went and saved her |
| 19:04.10 | fishhead | yeah and I don't think he's been right since |
| 19:04.13 | jbevren | she hates us all heh |
| 19:04.13 | fishhead | good :) |
| 19:04.31 | J4k3 | I'd rather be hated than mourn |
| 19:04.34 | J4k3 | mourning sucks! |
| 19:04.46 | jbevren | Ive lost both parents and a brother |
| 19:04.52 | jbevren | you dont mourn forever |
| 19:04.58 | J4k3 | yep |
| 19:05.03 | fishhead | mabye tomarrow if no other shit happens, I can finally finish setting up a table and fire up my ppc board |
| 19:05.04 | fishhead | sorry man |
| 19:05.05 | fishhead | how? |
| 19:05.15 | jbevren | fishhead: mom/dad : cancer/heart disease |
| 19:05.22 | J4k3 | fishhead: word... I've fired mine up, I haven't done squat with it yet |
| 19:05.22 | jbevren | my brother died in an industrial accident |
| 19:05.29 | fishhead | WHICH ? |
| 19:05.38 | jbevren | which? :) |
| 19:05.41 | fishhead | accident |
| 19:05.45 | jbevren | um |
| 19:05.47 | fishhead | was it well known ? |
| 19:05.51 | jbevren | the one where they dropped a bridge beam on him |
| 19:05.53 | jbevren | not really |
| 19:05.57 | J4k3 | ack |
| 19:05.58 | fishhead | oh ouch wtf |
| 19:06.03 | jbevren | oh, he didnt feel much |
| 19:06.04 | jbevren | trust me |
| 19:06.08 | J4k3 | fishhead: shit happens sometimes |
| 19:06.16 | jbevren | he was doing rigging for the crane |
| 19:06.20 | jbevren | and wasnt trained for it |
| 19:06.28 | jbevren | a hook was put on upside down, and slipped under slack |
| 19:06.36 | jbevren | it swung, took a truck and him out |
| 19:06.50 | jbevren | his wife is still getting his wages, 10 years later |
| 19:06.53 | fishhead | could be like the morons here who saw that the bolts were the wrong ones and despite the bolts fighting them, they kept using them anyways till the whole wall collapsed and killed them |
| 19:06.55 | fishhead | GOOD |
| 19:07.00 | fishhead | YOU GO TO HELL AND DIE MORONS |
| 19:07.04 | jbevren | they tried giving her a settlement |
| 19:07.04 | jbevren | heh |
| 19:07.07 | jbevren | we ganged up on em |
| 19:07.26 | jbevren | she got a settlement AND his wages |
| 19:07.26 | fishhead | well at least they are taking care of his family |
| 19:07.54 | jbevren | we dropped 5 wrongful death lawsuits in exchange for her getting his wages for life |
| 19:08.14 | jbevren | we're such tools.. we only filed suits to scare em into paying her |
| 19:08.27 | jbevren | 4/ |
| 19:08.36 | fishhead | hehe |
| 19:09.11 | jbevren | so it was their choice. Spend all their liquid assets paying us off or pay my sister 'n law |
| 19:10.22 | fishhead | how is the ppc hacking coming along ? |
| 19:10.28 | jbevren | XF86 works |
| 19:10.35 | jbevren | console usb kbd still doesnt |
| 19:10.50 | fishhead | cool |
| 19:10.55 | fishhead | XF86 |
| 19:11.11 | fishhead | well I always assumed it as a headless device anyways |
| 19:11.14 | jbevren | it doesnt work in accelerated mode yet |
| 19:11.17 | jbevren | so its kinda pokey |
| 19:11.22 | fishhead | my dad went to the freaking military surplus without me |
| 19:11.22 | jbevren | nod |
| 19:11.26 | jbevren | I want to use one of mine as a terminatl |
| 19:11.28 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.35 | fishhead | cause his boss just wanted to go without any notice |
| 19:11.43 | fishhead | I told him to buy any $20 laptop |
| 19:11.48 | fishhead | just want a junk one for serial term |
| 19:12.14 | fishhead | they had a $50 philips wince device but for $100 I can fix my palm t5 so blah |
| 19:12.44 | jbevren | ah |
| 19:12.49 | jbevren | yeah, the older laptops make great serial terminals |
| 19:12.57 | jbevren | there's even a 3.5" floppy around that has linux and minicom on it |
| 19:13.45 | fishhead | I still want to make a floppy emulator |
| 19:13.47 | fishhead | using flash |
| 19:13.50 | jbevren | nod |
| 19:14.09 | jbevren | I dont think it'd be too hard to spit out MFM data with a proper microcontroller |
| 19:14.13 | fishhead | 1:1 replacement you can swap onto any floppy cable under any floppy os |
| 19:14.22 | fishhead | I mean under any os |
| 19:14.34 | jbevren | like I sadi |
| 19:14.35 | jbevren | I dont think it'd be too hard to spit out MFM data with a proper microcontroller |
| 19:14.36 | jbevren | :) |
| 19:14.44 | jbevren | the trick is selecting which floppy image |
| 19:14.45 | J4k3 | dos + telix > * |
| 19:14.49 | fishhead | if I had a freaking clue :P |
| 19:14.50 | jbevren | jake: awesome |
| 19:14.53 | jbevren | I used telix in my bbs days |
| 19:14.58 | J4k3 | me too |
| 19:15.00 | jbevren | fishhead: me too, somewhat |
| 19:15.06 | jbevren | I understand mfm etc |
| 19:15.12 | jbevren | but I cant code microcontrollers for some reason heh |
| 19:15.13 | J4k3 | hell, you could get telix down on a 360k floppy |
| 19:15.15 | jbevren | none of my programs work |
| 19:15.48 | fishhead | hmm wonder why j4k3 was on ignore |
| 19:15.49 | fishhead | wtf |
| 19:15.57 | jbevren | fishhead: he was trolling you the other night |
| 19:15.58 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:16.06 | J4k3 | like a motorboat. |
| 19:16.11 | fishhead | don't even remeber |
| 19:16.13 | jbevren | me too |
| 19:16.18 | jbevren | I'm surprised I out-trolled you hehe |
| 19:16.19 | fishhead | fucking up half the night fighting with the fucking furnace |
| 19:16.24 | J4k3 | fuck it, its all in good fun |
| 19:16.33 | J4k3 | now I stink |
| 19:16.34 | fishhead | :) |
| 19:16.41 | fishhead | i almost fisted that piece of shit |
| 19:16.47 | J4k3 | haha |
| 19:16.59 | J4k3 | FLYBACK GONE WILD |
| 19:17.01 | fishhead | it would have been so worth it to break every bone in my hand |
| 19:17.04 | fishhead | to kill that furnace |
| 19:17.06 | prpplague | ok folks, lets keep the swearing down |
| 19:17.11 | prpplague | only warning |
| 19:17.12 | fishhead | yes mam |
| 19:17.47 | prpplague | fishhead: thats "yes lord plague" to you |
| 19:17.55 | fishhead | bite my canuck |
| 19:18.02 | jbevren | Yes lord Plague. |
| 19:18.07 | jbevren | (can I have an lnode now?) |
| 19:18.18 | fishhead | http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20060209PB206.html |
| 19:18.20 | fishhead | wow |
| 19:18.20 | J4k3 | CALL ME TEH PLAGUE |
| 19:18.27 | J4k3 | eek, caps |
| 19:18.32 | jbevren | gah |
| 19:18.36 | jbevren | I hate firefox |
| 19:18.37 | jbevren | hat it |
| 19:18.38 | jbevren | hate it. |
| 19:18.46 | jbevren | it's set to not use the download manager window |
| 19:18.48 | jbevren | yet it does |
| 19:18.55 | J4k3 | crapple ipud |
| 19:19.06 | jbevren | it randomly alternates between xmms (configured) and alsaplayer (I never set this up) on pls files |
| 19:19.07 | J4k3 | they should include BT-like transmitters |
| 19:19.14 | J4k3 | so you can find people that suck and avoid them with ease |
| 19:19.22 | jbevren | man |
| 19:19.26 | jbevren | I wish I owned foxconn :) |
| 19:19.37 | J4k3 | I wish I owned a chunk of AMD |
| 19:20.46 | fishhead | yeahthey just beat intel in nor flash sales too |
| 19:21.22 | jbevren | mm Aopen |
| 19:21.23 | J4k3 | woah |
| 19:21.29 | jbevren | makers of vaccuum-tube equipped motherboards |
| 19:21.44 | jbevren | fish; apple gets their flash from samsung dont they? |
| 19:22.41 | fishhead | yes |
| 19:23.31 | fishhead | but you don't use nor for storage anyways |
| 19:23.35 | fishhead | really only for code |
| 19:25.05 | jbevren | true |
| 19:25.16 | fishhead | http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1015653 |
| 19:25.18 | fishhead | DAMN |
| 19:36.28 | jbevren | do you happen to know what electronics parts manuf has a logo with a dot in the middle of a rectangle, inside a circle, with lines on 3 sides? |
| 19:37.20 | fishhead | hang on |
| 19:37.53 | jbevren | it's a relay |
| 19:37.55 | jbevren | 6-pin, sealed |
| 19:38.07 | jbevren | it looks familiar to me but I dont remember |
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| 19:38.52 | fishhead | http://www.chipdocs.com/logos/logotypes.html |
| 19:39.15 | fishhead | http://www.elnec.com/iclogos.php |
| 19:39.29 | fishhead | need quick nap, not feeling well and I have dinner later |
| 19:40.44 | jbevren | heh |
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| 20:14.58 | jbevren | (:(){ :|:;};:) |
| 20:18.22 | J4k3 | woah |
| 20:18.25 | J4k3 | thats a lot of emotion |
| 20:20.30 | jbevren | and a good way to crash your shell |
| 20:22.33 | J4k3 | hot. |
| 20:22.59 | jbevren | I only wish I understood its syntax |
| 20:23.00 | jbevren | hehe |
| 20:32.58 | jbevren | wee |
| 20:33.02 | jbevren | the ppc boots on its own now heh |
| 20:37.06 | J4k3 | yay |
| 20:37.12 | J4k3 | all I got from mine |
| 20:37.15 | jbevren | oh here's a thought |
| 20:37.22 | J4k3 | was a 'bad magic number' when I attempted to boot mine |
| 20:37.24 | jbevren | you know the linuxbios trick to stick a DoC on the bios rom socket |
| 20:37.25 | J4k3 | but it was like 3am and I was tired |
| 20:37.32 | jbevren | why not use a similar trick on the ppc board :) |
| 20:45.22 | fishhead | wt |
| 20:45.23 | fishhead | wtf |
| 20:45.26 | fishhead | that works? |
| 20:46.15 | fishhead | how the hell does that work |
| 20:47.18 | fishhead | I wish linuxbios was further along |
| 20:47.19 | fishhead | :/ |
| 20:47.52 | fishhead | wonder if there is a way to make it an extension over the existing bios |
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| 20:51.08 | fishhead | ok firefox is starting to piss me off |
| 20:51.15 | J4k3 | heh |
| 20:51.18 | fishhead | large pages with a lot of pics it goes into cpu eating mode |
| 20:51.19 | J4k3 | so run IE |
| 20:51.20 | fishhead | flash |
| 20:51.23 | fishhead | cpu eating mode |
| 20:51.28 | J4k3 | and get pwned. |
| 20:51.29 | fishhead | na going to start using opera |
| 20:51.33 | J4k3 | oh, find an optimized copy |
| 20:51.53 | jbevren | (amiga community) get a better computer (/amiga community) |
| 20:52.08 | fishhead | wow 32 meg cf |
| 20:52.11 | fishhead | $6.50 |
| 20:52.18 | jbevren | I want a DoM |
| 20:52.27 | jbevren | little module that fits right in the 40pin socket for ide |
| 20:52.31 | jbevren | 16-128M |
| 20:52.36 | jbevren | I think actually they hit 512 now |
| 20:53.26 | fishhead | I want the absolute cheapest things I can use :P |
| 20:53.44 | fishhead | I also want to see if someone can code a terminal program os |
| 20:53.47 | J4k3 | jbevren: they sell CF to IDE adapters for $15 |
| 20:53.51 | fishhead | well just enough of a os for a terminal program |
| 20:53.53 | fishhead | actually |
| 20:54.00 | fishhead | just act as a graphical lcd |
| 20:54.03 | fishhead | for the juicebox |
| 20:54.08 | J4k3 | thats all a dom is... a wired up CF card. |
| 20:54.08 | fishhead | that will fit in 128kb flash |
| 20:54.15 | fishhead | so I can solder a old bios chip onto a juicebox |
| 20:54.21 | fishhead | solder on 2 wires for serial |
| 20:54.27 | fishhead | and have a graphical lcd |
| 20:54.44 | jbevren | jake: I know |
| 20:54.49 | jbevren | but most dont stick on the 40pin header :) |
| 20:55.13 | jbevren | hehe |
| 20:55.17 | fishhead | they have them |
| 20:55.38 | fishhead | oooo |
| 20:55.39 | fishhead | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=G8270&cat=CON&cpc=JAD |
| 20:56.11 | jbevren | yet another 5" lcd |
| 20:56.49 | jbevren | its probably the same low quality one used on the playstation |
| 20:56.51 | jbevren | and the ps2 |
| 20:56.53 | jbevren | and the dreamcast |
| 20:56.54 | jbevren | and .. |
| 20:58.47 | fishhead | man you are a picky shit |
| 20:58.56 | jbevren | naw |
| 20:58.58 | jbevren | its not a bad lcd |
| 20:59.02 | jbevren | not the best.. |
| 20:59.03 | jbevren | I have one |
| 20:59.03 | jbevren | :) |
| 20:59.16 | jbevren | I was going to use it to replace the CRT in my commodore SX-64 |
| 20:59.19 | fishhead | I want to try that laptop lcd mod |
| 20:59.24 | fishhead | like in the next few days |
| 20:59.25 | jbevren | but its lower quality than the crap 5" tv they stuck in the thing :) |
| 20:59.41 | fishhead | I have one laptop tft screen I was going to sell but now I doubt I ll get anything for it |
| 20:59.48 | jbevren | fishhead: just get a video card with a lcd panel connector on it |
| 21:00.07 | fishhead | dude those are like $400 |
| 21:00.14 | jbevren | dig around man |
| 21:00.18 | fishhead | i did |
| 21:00.20 | fishhead | manyh times |
| 21:00.23 | jbevren | lots of sbc's with built-in video have em :0 |
| 21:00.24 | fishhead | and I found it's not worth it |
| 21:00.27 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.37 | fishhead | you can get flat panels cheaper |
| 21:01.17 | fishhead | I gotta get readty for dinner |
| 21:01.24 | fishhead | be back tonight if I don't go insane |
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| 21:58.34 | jbevren | hrm |
| 21:58.40 | jbevren | need to find a cheap adaptec scsi card |
| 21:58.47 | jbevren | fast-narrow or better :) |
| 22:02.12 | GPSFan | jbevren: have you had any luck with the usb keyboard? |
| 22:02.18 | jbevren | yeah, it works with X |
| 22:02.19 | jbevren | lol |
| 22:02.24 | jbevren | but not on console |
| 22:02.38 | jbevren | Prpp's solution is to use a ps/2->serial adapter on the serial port |
| 22:02.39 | jbevren | hehe |
| 22:03.24 | GPSFan | it does? that's interesting, meaning that the data isn't getting sent to keybaord.c by the upper layers. |
| 22:03.30 | jbevren | right |
| 22:03.42 | jbevren | I figured it might work cause it gets to evdev |
| 22:03.50 | jbevren | and sure enough heh |
| 22:03.57 | jbevren | the mga.o XF86 driver doesnt work |
| 22:04.01 | jbevren | but the fbdev one does nicely |
| 22:12.49 | GPSFan | on my desktop, when I insert the keyboard I get messages in dmesg from hub.c, usb.c, input.c, hid-core.c. But on the DHT I get messages from hub.c, usb.c, and input.c... no hid-core.c.. |
| 22:16.19 | jbevren | really |
| 22:16.27 | jbevren | in dmesg |
| 22:16.28 | jbevren | hmm |
| 22:16.32 | jbevren | same kernel revision? |
| 22:16.41 | jbevren | I have 2.4.25 on one of my laptops, it has the same messages as the dht |
| 22:17.40 | GPSFan | no the desktop is 2.4.21 but it's the same hic-core version, maybe I dont have debug-usb turned on in my desktop. |
| 22:17.52 | jbevren | hm |
| 22:18.03 | jbevren | debug-usb just posted useless hub transactions in my experience |
| 22:20.25 | GPSFan | but wait, the message comes out the desktop and not the DHT which has debug-usb on. |
| 22:20.37 | jbevren | debug-usb just posted useless hub transactions in my experience <- ;-) |
| 22:21.53 | GPSFan | hmm grepping through dmesg shows hid-cord did dump that message out, I guess I must have booted with the keyboard inserted that last time... drat... |
| 22:25.22 | GPSFan | ha, just ran my desktop in single user mode and no usb kbd, as you said it works under X.. maybe this isn't strictly related to the DHT configuration |
| 22:25.55 | jbevren | usbkbd.c: :USB HID Boot Protocol keyboard driver |
| 22:25.55 | jbevren | input0: USB HIDBP Keyboard 1267:0103 on usb2:2.0 |
| 22:26.04 | jbevren | it's attached to the input core |
| 22:26.10 | jbevren | must be something between tty and input |
| 22:26.19 | jbevren | grumble |
| 22:26.21 | jbevren | I want my books |
| 22:26.25 | jbevren | but amazon hasnt shipped them yet |
| 22:30.06 | GPSFan | that hidbp support is for boot protocol support, I found an article that said don't turn it on. I have it off in my kernel still doesn't work. |
| 22:31.16 | GPSFan | you are only supposed to need it on x86 boxes without a ps2 kbd or with legacy kbd support on in the bios |
| 22:34.44 | jbevren | I tried full hid |
| 22:34.47 | jbevren | I tried hidbp |
| 22:34.51 | jbevren | both work on x86 :X |
| 22:34.56 | jbevren | neither work on the denx tree |
| 22:41.31 | GPSFan | on x86 do they work without X? |
| 22:41.56 | jbevren | yeah |
| 22:42.06 | jbevren | I havent tested with this card, but the kbd works on my laptop with 2.4.25 |
| 22:42.11 | jbevren | (thus the test messages I had to compare) |
| 22:42.30 | GPSFan | k |
| 22:42.55 | jbevren | but I'd think that if its going to not work due to misconfig, it wouldnt work in X |
| 22:43.24 | jbevren | its a denx cheapie kbd |
| 22:43.39 | jbevren | it has two event devices (one for the kbd, the other for the internet keys) |
| 22:49.28 | GPSFan | If I cat /dev/event0 I get stuff when I type on the kbd. |
| 22:49.44 | jbevren | right |
| 22:49.46 | jbevren | me too |
| 22:50.11 | jbevren | but I dont know the input layers well enough to be able to dig |
| 22:50.54 | GPSFan | the stuff I get isn't printable. |
| 23:00.50 | jbevren | I used hexdump |
| 23:00.58 | jbevren | the event interface includes binary timestamp etc in its data |
| 23:02.11 | GPSFan | ah that's why. I noticed that if the console screen goes to sleep, that the usb kbd will wake it up. |
| 23:05.33 | jbevren | yep |
| 23:05.36 | jbevren | I noted this too |
| 23:05.40 | jbevren | so part of it is connected to the tty |
| 23:07.26 | GPSFan | I also noticed that the leds blink on insertion but do not respond to their keys. |
| 23:07.49 | jbevren | the blink is part of the microcontroller reset I think |
| 23:07.54 | jbevren | my led's dont blink :) |
| 23:07.59 | jbevren | but most ps/2 kbd's do |
| 23:10.54 | jbevren | start X, kbd works.. exit, doenst work |
| 23:10.55 | jbevren | heh |
| 23:11.18 | GPSFan | it's as if the data is getting to the tty driver, but it's not of the right format, somehow X can understand it. |
| 23:11.39 | GPSFan | do the led's work under X? |
| 23:15.54 | jbevren | the function does (capslock et.al) but not the led |
| 23:16.52 | GPSFan | hmm my leds work on my desktop under X. |
| 23:18.03 | jbevren | hm vidmode switching doesnt work (ctrl-alt-+) |
| 23:27.26 | jbevren | heh |
| 23:27.37 | jbevren | I guess I could just use it like this :) |
| 23:27.44 | jbevren | as an intelligent head |
| 23:28.16 | jbevren | I"m remembering when I had a 133mhz 486 |
| 23:28.17 | jbevren | lol |
| 23:29.57 | jbevren | woah wait |
| 23:30.01 | jbevren | the mga driver works? |
| 23:30.07 | jbevren | must be cause I turned fbdev off |
| 23:30.10 | jbevren | woot its accelerated now |
| 23:31.40 | GPSFan | what dist are you using? |
| 23:31.51 | jbevren | my good friend Debian |
| 23:31.51 | jbevren | heh |
| 23:35.21 | jbevren | now all I need is esd and a usb audio dongle |
| 23:37.17 | GPSFan | when not in X if your mga card goes to sleep, for a while, when you wake it up has it lost pixels? |
| 23:38.37 | jbevren | nope |
| 23:38.43 | jbevren | It was sleeping since around noon |
| 23:38.45 | jbevren | I woke it at 5 |
| 23:38.53 | jbevren | screen was intact |
| 23:38.59 | jbevren | oh |
| 23:39.00 | jbevren | in X... |
| 23:39.05 | jbevren | that I dunno |
| 23:39.24 | jbevren | what I do know is that this thing is more responsive than Xming on windows (866mhz p3) |
| 23:39.25 | jbevren | hehe |
| 23:39.32 | jbevren | not that this is a surprise |
| 23:39.39 | jbevren | feh hates it though, gets the colors all wrong |
| 23:39.45 | jbevren | must be an endiannes thing |
| 23:39.50 | jbevren | (cause gimp is fine) |
| 23:40.27 | jbevren | Section "Device" |
| 23:40.27 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.27 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.27 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.27 | jbevren | EndSection |
| 23:40.29 | jbevren | (fyi) |
| 23:40.36 | jbevren | apparently fbdev breaks it |
| 23:42.39 | jbevren | I can get to 1152x864x16bpp with 2M vram |
| 23:42.40 | jbevren | hehe |
| 23:43.22 | jbevren | and the keyboard randomly stops working for short periods |
| 23:43.32 | jbevren | easily triggered with combinations (like | etc) |
| 23:43.54 | GPSFan | nod |
| 23:45.27 | jbevren | anyway |
| 23:45.30 | jbevren | I need to head out for dinner |
| 23:51.26 | jbevren | so I guess I'll know if the mga loses pixels |
| 23:51.30 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.32 | jbevren | see ya :) |
