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| 01:07.06 | silverpower | anything new on the Walnut boards? |
| 01:09.17 | eddienull | yea, mine arrived today 8) |
| 01:10.20 | silverpower | I forgot to pick up PSes for mine, among other things. :facepalm: |
| 01:10.37 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 01:10.40 | sunrunner20 | dsf |
| 01:10.45 | sunrunner20 | wtf |
| 01:10.47 | sunrunner20 | asdf |
| 01:10.49 | sunrunner20 | thts better |
| 01:10.57 | silverpower | So I haven't played with mine at all, never mind that I've had them for a week or two now. |
| 01:11.51 | eddienull | i'm currently moving, so I just opened the box, do an oooo-ahhhhh! then packed them away :( |
| 01:12.00 | silverpower | lol |
| 01:12.06 | silverpower | That sucks. |
| 01:12.21 | fishhead | I might setup mine tonight or tomarrow |
| 01:12.37 | fishhead | will a kermit program in windows work for updating the bootloader |
| 01:12.43 | fishhead | and any way to do this with a script ? |
| 01:12.50 | silverpower | I need a CD drive, too, and an ATX power supply. |
| 01:12.59 | fishhead | heh |
| 01:13.37 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 01:13.45 | fishhead | I dropped my walnut 3 feet off the ground, I hope it's ok :/ |
| 01:13.59 | fishhead | eddienull wait! |
| 01:14.10 | fishhead | where you at ?> |
| 01:14.19 | silverpower | eddienull: Box it up and ship it to a worthy cause! Jeez. |
| 01:14.41 | fishhead | or just drop it off at nearest salvation army |
| 01:14.46 | fishhead | they will forward it to goodwill computers |
| 01:15.37 | fishhead | eddie any sdram or cpu's in the pile |
| 01:15.41 | fishhead | doh |
| 01:16.25 | silverpower | Our local goodwill sucks. The only thing I ever found was a copy of a really good TCP/IP book and a copy of Snow Crash. That's it. Oh, and a FFVII strategy guide and a Star Trek novel which got thrown away by my schizo dad. |
| 01:16.25 | fishhead | wonder if a webpal would make a good printer server |
| 01:16.37 | fishhead | yeah the 2 around here suck too |
| 01:16.45 | fishhead | which is funny cause the goodwill computers is here in pa |
| 01:16.52 | fishhead | but nothing computer in any store I been |
| 01:17.07 | fishhead | be back in 15 mins or so, taking my pc outside to dust off |
| 01:17.11 | fishhead | finally getting crap off the floor |
| 01:17.21 | fishhead | my leg circulation is gone and my wrists are rotted out |
| 01:17.26 | fishhead | from the 3-4 months sitting on the floor |
| 01:17.32 | fishhead | bbl |
| 01:17.33 | silverpower | At one of the Chattanooga ones, I found several computers, piles of parts, a complete and intact copy of a C&C1/RA1 game collection... |
| 01:17.34 | sunrunner20 | o.0 |
| 01:17.45 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 01:17.55 | silverpower | ...and I didn't have a dime on me. :( |
| 01:18.00 | sunrunner20 | shit |
| 01:18.02 | sunrunner20 | that sucks |
| 01:18.06 | sunrunner20 | ti's a classic |
| 01:18.10 | sunrunner20 | in packaging thats a small fortune |
| 01:18.26 | silverpower | ! Yeah, I was so fucking pissed about that. |
| 01:18.38 | sunrunner20 | i need to stop cursing |
| 01:19.30 | silverpower | Back home, we must've had about 20-25 thrift stores, salvage shops, stuff like that. There was *always* something interesting, and usually, I could find a sci-fi novel or two to add to my collection. |
| 01:21.17 | silverpower | I scored some gear recently, though. A Sega Saturn, a scanner, a Linksys blue-box router, and a metal desk. Between that and a couple of random items, I forked out $35. Go me. |
| 01:21.56 | silverpower | Ah, yes, I also got a couple of keyboards, including an ADB keyboard. |
| 01:22.13 | silverpower | No Model Ms, though. :( |
| 01:22.50 | silverpower | I only have one now, since some cretin thought that my gear took up too much space. |
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| 01:23.51 | silverpower | eddienull: Where are you, how much gear and what kind, and are you willing to drop some in a box for me? |
| 01:24.21 | fishhead | yeah eddie do you have any 400mhz+ cpu's or sdram |
| 01:25.10 | silverpower | (Right now, I'll take any non-x86 gear, and I desperately need working PSUs and CD drives. I need HDDs, too, but those are a pain to ship. |
| 01:26.23 | fishhead | what kinda cdrom drives |
| 01:26.27 | silverpower | (If I was moving, and I might be doing just that next semester (go me!) I'd be willing to reciprocate to anyone here.) |
| 01:27.22 | silverpower | IDE. SCSI is nice but not necessary. I only have one. I'll be picking up a burner soon, but I need a pile of them so I can equip my piles of half-completed machines. |
| 01:27.34 | fishhead | where you at ? |
| 01:27.48 | silverpower | Zip code 37321. |
| 01:27.53 | fishhead | what state |
| 01:28.02 | silverpower | fishhead: /msg me? |
| 01:28.06 | fishhead | ok |
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| 02:11.35 | silverpower | wow, there's lots of weird gear on govliquidation.com. Literally piles of good stuff that's absurdly expensive to ship. :) |
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| 13:35.36 | Init5 | lurkers! ;] |
| 13:41.18 | Superkuh | Lurking is good. |
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| 14:18.42 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 14:19.01 | sunrunner20 | i didn't know whe have a vertex 2 pro demo board |
| 14:21.00 | sunrunner20 | man |
| 14:21.05 | sunrunner20 | we have a crapload of xilinx boards |
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| 14:59.44 | sunrunner20 | OMG YOUR TOO CLOSE TO THE KEEP OUT ZONE! |
| 15:00.44 | sunrunner20 | part of one of my dad's rants |
| 15:00.54 | sunrunner20 | people have bitched at him for his designe being too close to the keep out zone lol |
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| 16:23.20 | fishhead | I might even get to test fire my ppc board today |
| 16:23.26 | fishhead | now that I have a table |
| 16:24.00 | J4k3 | nice |
| 16:24.14 | agaffney | fishhead: the 405gp board? I already had mine running yesterday with netboot+nfsroot |
| 16:24.23 | fishhead | bitch |
| 16:24.26 | agaffney | heh |
| 16:24.29 | fishhead | :P |
| 16:24.35 | agaffney | I just got mine yesterday afternoon, too :) |
| 16:24.40 | agaffney | I was playing with it at work |
| 16:24.42 | fishhead | SUPER BITCH |
| 16:24.44 | fishhead | :P |
| 16:24.57 | fishhead | ah |
| 16:25.02 | fishhead | how did it do |
| 16:25.06 | agaffney | quite well |
| 16:25.15 | fishhead | I still have a webpal and 5 juiceboxes left to hack up :P |
| 16:25.15 | agaffney | although, the nvram seems to be not quite so non-volatile |
| 16:25.34 | agaffney | a 'saveenv' said it was saving to nvram, but the values were gone after a poweroff and poweron |
| 16:25.35 | fishhead | oh that is a bug in the existing rom |
| 16:25.43 | fishhead | replace it as following the wiki docs |
| 16:26.59 | fishhead | my friend is flipping out cause I said if I get a store credit for my palm t5 that went out, I am buying a ipaq and putting linux on it |
| 16:27.03 | fishhead | "you will regret it" |
| 16:27.11 | fishhead | "linux isn't ready for pda" |
| 16:27.14 | fishhead | "it's a myth" |
| 16:27.28 | fishhead | I am done with the crooks known as palm |
| 16:27.38 | J4k3 | Linux isn't ready for much of anything, but obviously neither is palm or wince. |
| 16:28.11 | agaffney | fishhead: got a link to that wiki page? I'm not seeing anything relevant in the wiki in the topic |
| 16:28.31 | fishhead | http://elinux.org/wiki/DHT-Walnut |
| 16:28.49 | J4k3 | personally if I really wanted palm linux, I'd buy an old liberetto |
| 16:29.58 | fishhead | dude you bitch about everything |
| 16:31.22 | agaffney | fishhead: ah, I guess you're talking about the ppcboot upgrade |
| 16:31.28 | fishhead | yes |
| 16:33.01 | agaffney | kermit...fun |
| 16:33.13 | agaffney | I get enough kermit working with VMS at work :/ |
| 16:33.38 | fishhead | yeah I might wait till you guys tweak this out |
| 16:33.38 | fishhead | ick |
| 16:33.50 | fishhead | agaffney, you ever done m68k serial bootstrapping by chance |
| 16:33.54 | agaffney | I'll probably give the upgrade a try |
| 16:33.56 | agaffney | no |
| 16:34.25 | agaffney | as long as it's possible to recover a bricked board, there's really no real risk in trying the upgrade |
| 16:36.50 | agaffney | what is the JTAG adapter? |
| 16:46.45 | agaffney | there's one thing that worries me about those upgrade instructions |
| 16:46.46 | joe_bleau | agaffney: (currently) the only way to recover a bricked board is through a JTAG connection |
| 16:47.21 | agaffney | if I'm using minicom at 9600 bps, and I give the command to receive a file via kermit at 115200 (on the board), will minicom's kermit send it at 115200? |
| 16:47.25 | joe_bleau | To do it, you'd need to add J10 (see Wiki), buy/build/borrow a JTAG adapter, and be able to run something like OCD Commander (free download, requires winblows though) |
| 16:47.54 | agaffney | minicom uses the external kermit program doesn't it? |
| 16:48.08 | joe_bleau | No idea. You could do a loadb 400000, instead of loadb 400000 115200. That would expect a kermit transfer at 9600 baud, so you won't need to change baud rates. |
| 16:49.03 | agaffney | yeah, I'd be a bit more comfortable doing it that way, since I don't have the stuff immediately available to de-brick the board |
| 16:49.04 | joe_bleau | jbevren has been using tftp to load his, instead of the loadb + kermit. |
| 16:49.26 | agaffney | are there instructions for doing it that way? |
| 16:49.42 | joe_bleau | Nope, but I think tftpboot 400000 filename would probably get you there. |
| 16:49.47 | joe_bleau | Hang on, I'll power up and see. |
| 16:49.50 | joe_bleau | Standby |
| 16:49.54 | agaffney | k, thanks |
| 16:50.37 | J4k3 | hmm, I bet the jtag cable I use on my broadcom mips projects won't work on this thing :) |
| 16:50.53 | joe_bleau | It might...I'm using an Olimex arm-jtag with a 20-16 pin adapter. |
| 16:51.28 | J4k3 | ah... the mips ones are 10 pin, but only 4 are interesting |
| 16:51.42 | joe_bleau | You'll probably want a power/ground/reset line, too. |
| 16:52.24 | agaffney | joe_bleau: so I *should* just be able to 'tftpboot 400000 new_ppcboot_image' instead of 'loadb 400000 115200' and then do everything else the same? |
| 16:52.25 | J4k3 | yeah |
| 16:53.15 | joe_bleau | It appears to work...lemme check CRC |
| 16:53.34 | agaffney | I'd much prefer to do it via tftp then kermit |
| 16:53.44 | joe_bleau | pasting:> tftpboot 400000 ppcboot1.1.6.1.bin |
| 16:53.44 | joe_bleau | ENET Speed is 10 Mbps - HALF duplex connection |
| 16:53.44 | joe_bleau | ARP broadcast 1 |
| 16:53.44 | joe_bleau | TFTP from server 192.168.0.11; our IP address is 192.168.0.53 |
| 16:53.44 | joe_bleau | Filename 'ppcboot1.1.6.1.bin'. |
| 16:53.45 | joe_bleau | Load address: 0x400000 |
| 16:53.46 | joe_bleau | Loading: ################################ |
| 16:53.48 | joe_bleau | done |
| 16:53.50 | joe_bleau | Bytes transferred = 163368 (27e28 hex) |
| 16:53.53 | joe_bleau | => crc 400000 30000 |
| 16:53.54 | joe_bleau | CRC32 for 00400000 ... 0042ffff ==> 083fb0a3 |
| 16:54.02 | agaffney | hurray! |
| 16:54.09 | joe_bleau | I've got to work today, but I'll try and find time to update the Wiki. |
| 16:54.11 | agaffney | I assume that's the binary from the wiki page |
| 16:54.12 | J4k3 | woot |
| 16:54.15 | joe_bleau | Yep. |
| 16:54.17 | agaffney | cool |
| 16:54.42 | joe_bleau | As I said, jbevren has been doing it this way for some time, and I don't think he has jtag. |
| 16:54.54 | agaffney | I don't suppose 1.1.6.1 supports auto-configuration via dhcp :P |
| 16:55.10 | joe_bleau | There's a dhcp option. Don't know what all it does. |
| 16:55.15 | agaffney | hmm |
| 16:55.20 | agaffney | I'll have to play with it once I upgrade |
| 16:55.23 | J4k3 | from what I've seen the dhcp option works. |
| 16:55.32 | joe_bleau | Seems like it's in 1.1.2 as well, actually. |
| 16:55.41 | agaffney | and does 'saveenv' actually work in 1.1.6.1? |
| 16:55.50 | joe_bleau | Yes, that's the biggest change. |
| 16:55.54 | agaffney | because it doesn't actually save anything in 1.1.2 |
| 16:55.58 | joe_bleau | Correct. |
| 16:55.59 | agaffney | good! |
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| 16:56.14 | agaffney | joe_bleau: thanks for the info |
| 16:56.28 | joe_bleau | If you're going to update now, I'll monitor just in case you run into problems. (Not expecting any, though.) |
| 16:56.50 | agaffney | no, not gonna update now |
| 16:56.59 | agaffney | I have to clear off space on my desk first :P |
| 16:57.24 | joe_bleau | If you have any questions or get stuck, just don't power down! |
| 16:57.39 | joe_bleau | GPSFan and jbevren have updated, probably a few others as well. |
| 16:57.50 | joe_bleau | So there is some experience with the procedure. |
| 16:58.42 | agaffney | joe_bleau: the transfer was the only thing I was really iffy on |
| 16:58.58 | joe_bleau | The transfer isn't in the critical path, so if you got it wrong, the crc would tell you. |
| 16:59.09 | joe_bleau | At that point, nothing permanent has been done, so no worries. |
| 16:59.48 | agaffney | it seems pretty straighforward |
| 16:59.49 | agaffney | mostly copy 'n paste |
| 17:00.25 | joe_bleau | Yep. |
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| 17:21.02 | fishhead | guys I have a table |
| 17:21.10 | fishhead | I have a real table to work from |
| 17:21.12 | fishhead | w00t |
| 17:21.26 | fishhead | means I could setup the ppc today to test |
| 17:23.16 | J4k3 | why the fuck does madwifi have to be the most useless buggy piece of shit code ever. |
| 17:23.26 | J4k3 | why the hell couldn't they have just stuck with the -old branch... -ng = no good |
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| 17:31.13 | fishhead | wow |
| 17:31.24 | fishhead | the cvs $30 disposable camcorder |
| 17:31.27 | fishhead | has been hacked 100% |
| 17:31.42 | fishhead | but I think I am goign to go for the $10 digital still cam or $20 digital still with lcd for now |
| 17:31.52 | agaffney | eh? |
| 17:32.38 | fishhead | google |
| 17:32.57 | J4k3 | haha |
| 17:33.03 | J4k3 | CVS deserves to get fucked |
| 17:33.11 | J4k3 | considering the shit they pulled with old folks perscriptions |
| 17:33.17 | fishhead | ? |
| 17:33.21 | J4k3 | "we're half price!"... |
| 17:33.25 | J4k3 | they're half quantity, too |
| 17:33.33 | J4k3 | they "offered the service" of half-filling perscriptions |
| 17:34.15 | J4k3 | thats the only bit of investigative journalism our local paper ever did, afaik |
| 17:34.15 | fishhead | wow 2 megapixels |
| 17:34.26 | fishhead | not bad just gotta confirm it's still hackable and get one today |
| 17:41.17 | fishhead | bah |
| 17:41.30 | fishhead | looks like the new ones have anti hacks that take more steps than loading the ppc boot prom |
| 17:41.31 | fishhead | ugh |
| 17:49.12 | J4k3 | thats fine |
| 17:49.26 | J4k3 | if they make it a pain, you break it stun-gun style and return it |
| 17:49.44 | J4k3 | "are auntie berthas wedding photos on there?!?! They're NOT?!?!! OMFG I'MA KILL JOO" |
| 17:50.15 | J4k3 | heh, but thats kinda wack |
| 17:50.38 | J4k3 | CVS's video cameras make sense... trying to captive-audience rental a 2mp digicam is kinda tough |
| 17:50.50 | J4k3 | I've seen HP315's like my old one going for $20 surplus. |
| 17:51.01 | fishhead | used normal digital cam ? |
| 17:51.13 | J4k3 | $20, brand new, 2mp digital camera. |
| 17:51.23 | J4k3 | of course |
| 17:51.25 | J4k3 | its worth all $20 |
| 17:51.31 | J4k3 | I paid $300 for mine, and that was $280 too much |
| 17:51.33 | J4k3 | it runs like a $20 camera :P |
| 17:52.06 | fishhead | nice |
| 17:52.28 | fishhead | yeah I don't need another pile of hw waiting for me to get the balls to try to hack it |
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| 17:56.43 | fishhead | bah screw the still too |
| 17:56.45 | fishhead | too much work |
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| 18:52.04 | fishhead | j4k3 |
| 18:52.09 | fishhead | the guy check the furnace |
| 18:52.16 | fishhead | huge holes in the heat exchanger |
| 18:52.17 | fishhead | it's done |
| 18:52.25 | J4k3 | ack |
| 18:52.29 | J4k3 | thats bad |
| 18:52.32 | fishhead | yeah |
| 18:52.36 | J4k3 | co/co2 |
| 18:52.42 | fishhead | shame goiung to cost around $2200 |
| 18:52.46 | J4k3 | ouch |
| 18:52.51 | fishhead | wonder why grandma is having micro stroke things all the time |
| 18:52.54 | fishhead | i'll help her |
| 18:53.08 | fishhead | hope the ac unit is salvagable |
| 18:53.21 | J4k3 | she's how old? get her lots of credit cards with death insurance |
| 18:53.21 | J4k3 | haha |
| 18:53.29 | fishhead | 78 |
| 18:53.45 | J4k3 | when my grandfather died |
| 18:54.00 | J4k3 | he had bought a new Sonata about 6 weeks before |
| 18:54.03 | J4k3 | made 1 payment |
| 18:54.11 | J4k3 | but he had that death insurance shite |
| 18:54.18 | J4k3 | my aunt has it still |
| 18:54.18 | J4k3 | :P |
| 18:54.31 | fishhead | good guy cuts us major breaks |
| 18:54.34 | fishhead | did our toilet etc |
| 18:54.53 | fishhead | my folks want 2nd bid etc but I hope he gets it |
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| 18:59.13 | fishhead | won't be buying any more toys for a while :P |
| 19:00.06 | J4k3 | eh |
| 19:00.10 | J4k3 | try to get it financed |
| 19:00.16 | J4k3 | don't go broke paying for something |
| 19:00.29 | J4k3 | since your gma is old |
| 19:00.32 | J4k3 | isn't she living on SS? |
| 19:00.38 | J4k3 | as her only income? |
| 19:00.44 | J4k3 | she can probably get a 0% loan for it |
| 19:00.48 | J4k3 | free money = free money |
| 19:01.02 | J4k3 | when people wanna lend me money for free, I say... bring it on! |
| 19:01.15 | J4k3 | its not what you have, its what you owe. |
| 19:02.16 | J4k3 | personally... I live in texas, our central heat pumps barely ever get used on 'heat'... keep the house around 62F-ish, use small 750/1500W space heaters wherever people are. |
| 19:03.11 | sunrunner20 | we have a full out AC unit |
| 19:07.46 | fishhead | na guy is cutting her major break |
| 19:07.50 | fishhead | probably making barely any off it |
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| 19:21.39 | r2d2 | anyone here used a compact flash to ide adapter? |
| 19:32.36 | fishhead | no but they are 1:1 replacements for hd's |
| 19:32.39 | fishhead | they make both |
| 19:32.41 | fishhead | 3.5 inch |
| 19:32.45 | fishhead | and 2.5 inch laptop hd size |
| 19:32.58 | fishhead | they also make normal ones with cable connect or ones that connect right to the motherboard ide pins = cableless |
| 19:36.36 | inv_ | What bootloader would you choose for arm board (Olimex cpu=ok-ml675003 ram=16mb dram hard=8mb flash)? Is Redboot good choisse ? |
| 19:43.47 | J4k3 | I have used them |
| 19:44.03 | J4k3 | just be sure to get one with a 3.3V regulator onboard... most CF cards do not enjoy being driven at 5v "forever" |
| 19:44.19 | J4k3 | also, be sure to mount them read-only normally... repeated writes to the device will kill it very quickly. |
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| 23:19.31 | Chocobo | Hmm... do you recommend any specific version of GCC for an arm cross compiler? or is latest (4.0.2) fine? |
| 23:21.24 | agaffney | on gentoo, 3.4.[45] is the current gcc version for arm |
| 23:21.40 | Chocobo | hmm. |
| 23:22.11 | agaffney | doesn't mean that 4.0.x doesn't work, though |
| 23:22.57 | Chocobo | cross compilers are pretty easy on gentoo eh? |
| 23:23.22 | agaffney | there's a nice tool called crossdev that uses portage to build them |
| 23:23.43 | agaffney | I wrote a nice guide for combining cross-toolchains and distcc on gentoo |
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| 23:24.54 | agaffney | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/cross-compiling-distcc.xml |
| 23:26.15 | Chocobo | thanks :) |
| 23:27.18 | silverpower | agaffney: you wrote that? Sweetness. |
| 23:27.26 | agaffney | yep |
| 23:27.30 | agaffney | came up with the method too |
| 23:27.40 | Pablo | hows the ppc board going? |
| 23:28.00 | agaffney | I'm waiting until I get back home to play with mine more |
| 23:28.49 | Pablo | lol |
| 23:28.54 | silverpower | Until I get this router going, and the PSUs for my board, I can't hack on it at all. This sucks. |
| 23:28.56 | Pablo | any you had to go because ? |
| 23:29.21 | agaffney | Pablo: because my wife made me :/ |
| 23:29.58 | agaffney | how "easy" is ppcboot to hack on? |
| 23:30.10 | agaffney | would it be "easy" to add custom extensions to it? |
| 23:34.17 | Pablo | :\ |
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| 23:41.28 | silverpower | I get all my new gear Wednesday (mostly a resupply of cables, and some stuff I forgot to order last time.) So hopefully, I'll be playing with the board some. Go me. |
| 23:42.56 | agaffney | you forget the power supplies? |
| 23:48.19 | silverpower | Originally, they were going to be hooked into a car +12v, with a regulator. |
| 23:48.48 | silverpower | I've since scrapped that plan (and a few others), so now I desperately need the PSUs. |
| 23:49.10 | agaffney | why did it get scrapped? |
| 23:49.42 | silverpower | Because I realized that hacking on my project directly in the car is just stupid. |
| 23:50.03 | silverpower | And my regulated bench PSU crapped out recently. |