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| 00:25.44 | Chocobo | phew. |
| 00:27.08 | Chocobo | so... I have finally sucessfully build binutils, gcc and newlib targeting the m68k-coff. When I try to compile, I get a bunch of undefined references :( |
| 00:32.23 | joe_bleau | why coff? |
| 00:42.32 | fishhead | Chocobo, |
| 00:42.38 | fishhead | ever do serial bootstrap ? |
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| 02:35.43 | fishhead | PPCBoot 1.1.2 (Feb 13 2002 - 15:46:54) |
| 02:35.43 | fishhead | CPU: IBM PowerPC 405GP Rev. E at 264 MHz (PLB=66, OPB=33, EBC=33 MHz) |
| 02:35.44 | fishhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.46 | fishhead | mmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 02:37.33 | Chocobo | joe_bleau, if not coff what do you recommend? elf? |
| 02:43.34 | JoseJX | fishhead: Hooray, you got it plugged in. :) |
| 02:43.42 | fishhead | yep |
| 02:44.03 | agaffney | now it's time to upgrade ppcboot :P |
| 02:44.56 | fishhead | tomarrow |
| 02:45.09 | fishhead | going to doc in the morning then going to a big lots I have not visited yet |
| 02:45.13 | fishhead | hoping them have juicebox mp3 kits cheap |
| 02:45.16 | fishhead | or other things :) |
| 02:45.26 | fishhead | I might even try upgrading my webpal this week |
| 02:45.59 | fishhead | at least with the webpal if you screw up, you can mail the flash simm to someone with a unit to reflash |
| 02:46.06 | Chocobo | I guess I could try m68k-elf I haven't seen any documentation on it. |
| 02:46.17 | fishhead | cho |
| 02:46.21 | fishhead | you ever do serial bootstrapping |
| 02:46.48 | Chocobo | Nope. |
| 02:47.13 | fishhead | :/ |
| 02:49.29 | Chocobo | Honestly I don't have much experience with embedded stuff. I have done hc11 development board stuff... never made one though, and I have done some pic stuff. Right now a friend wants the 68000 cross compiler. Having a tough time building it though. |
| 02:51.39 | joe_bleau | I generally use elf unless coff is required some other existing tool only supports coff, for instance). |
| 02:52.10 | joe_bleau | gcc4.0something m68k wouldn't build for me with sparc64 as a host. |
| 02:58.22 | Chocobo | 4.0.2 built with -coff. But it doesn't work =P |
| 02:58.31 | Chocobo | hmm, maybe I will try with -elf |
| 03:05.32 | Chocobo | joe_bleau, what version of gcc do you use? If this doesnt work I will just downgrade my gcc. |
| 03:05.48 | joe_bleau | I'm all over the place on versions. |
| 03:06.14 | joe_bleau | I haven't built m68k in a while. |
| 03:06.50 | Chocobo | hmm. I wish there was a "recommended" version for each processor. |
| 03:09.30 | joe_bleau | These guys are apparently still using v2.95.3: http://sourceforge.net/projects/motorobots/ |
| 03:10.15 | Chocobo | wow. I guess not much probably changes with the c compiler.... |
| 03:10.18 | Chocobo | thanks joe_bleau |
| 03:17.59 | Pablo | Chocobo, are from birc? |
| 03:20.28 | Pablo | you * |
| 03:42.22 | Chocobo | Nope |
| 03:42.30 | Chocobo | joe_bleau, 4.0.2 seemed to compile ok |
| 03:42.52 | Chocobo | (m68k-elf) |
| 03:43.31 | Chocobo | I get a strange warning though... |
| 03:43.34 | Chocobo | [swinchen@thecheat m68k]$ m68k-elf-gcc test.c -o test |
| 03:43.34 | Chocobo | /home/swinchen/m68k/sdk/lib/gcc/m68k-elf/4.0.2/../../../../m68k-elf/bin/ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; defaulting to 80000080 |
| 03:45.21 | joe_bleau | Nah, that just means you don't have the link script set up correctly. |
| 03:45.47 | Chocobo | so dude... it worked? |
| 03:45.51 | Chocobo | lol! YAY! |
| 03:46.03 | Chocobo | It has been 3 days in the making... maybe 4... :) |
| 03:46.24 | joe_bleau | use objdump to disassemble it and see what the compiler generated. |
| 03:46.36 | Chocobo | I just did.. looks pretty good |
| 03:47.38 | Chocobo | So is the link script what tells the linker where RAM, ROM, and stuff is located on the target board? Also where code begins execution, interupt locations.. things like that? |
| 03:47.47 | joe_bleau | Precisely. |
| 03:47.58 | agaffney | hurray for finding another straight-through 9-pin M-F serial cable |
| 03:50.34 | Chocobo | So if I am targeting a simulator... a link script probably looses some of it's meaning. |
| 03:54.37 | Chocobo | Oh man, if I try a printf though the crap hits the fan! |
| 03:56.09 | Chocobo | I actually think it may be broken. |
| 03:57.20 | Chocobo | this is if I #include <stdlib.h> and do a simple malloc and free operation.... |
| 03:57.24 | Chocobo | /home/swinchen/m68k/sdk/lib/gcc/m68k-elf/4.0.2/../../../../m68k-elf/lib/libc.a(sbrkr.o): In function `_sbrk_r': |
| 03:57.24 | Chocobo | ../../../../../gcc-4.0.2/newlib/libc/reent/sbrkr.c:60: undefined reference to `sbrk' |
| 03:57.24 | Chocobo | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 04:02.47 | Chocobo | back to the drawing board. |
| 04:10.46 | Chocobo | well, goodnight. |
| 04:15.26 | joe_bleau | Chocobo: there's a book that you might find useful |
| 04:15.42 | Chocobo | Oh? do tell. |
| 04:15.51 | joe_bleau | "Embedded System Design on a Shoestring", by Lewin A.R.W. Edwards |
| 04:16.33 | Chocobo | Alright thanks. :) So it does appear as though my toolchain is broken eh? |
| 04:16.56 | joe_bleau | Not at all. |
| 04:17.25 | joe_bleau | Sounds like you're running into stubs that need to be modified for the target hardware. |
| 04:17.33 | Chocobo | no? huh... ok :) I bookmarked your suggestion. |
| 04:17.49 | ohsix | joe_bleau: http://www.macraigor.com/downloads/pinouts.pdf <- jtag pinouts for a bunch of stuff, including the ppc/ibm boards |
| 04:18.46 | joe_bleau | ohsix: did you un-brick your DHT-Walnut? |
| 04:19.01 | ohsix | not yet, didn't go pick up the parts |
| 04:19.01 | Chocobo | So I will have to pick up that book. stubs are taken care of through the linker script? I can't imagine it is a linking problem or compiler options. Possibly I need to write "sbrk"? |
| 04:19.30 | joe_bleau | I think it's more a matter of porting bits and pieces of newlib to fit your target. |
| 04:19.57 | ohsix | i tried to hobble something together with what i have on hand, but its too confusing |
| 04:21.04 | joe_bleau | FWIW, I tested my homemade '244 based wiggler today, and it worked fine with both OCD Commander and ocdremote |
| 04:21.04 | ohsix | nice |
| 04:21.04 | ohsix | which plans did you use? i see like 7 of em with the 244 |
| 04:21.20 | joe_bleau | Leon Heller's arm wiggler. |
| 04:21.36 | Chocobo | Wow.. sounds daunting. But I guess it will be worth it :) Thanks for the help joe_bleau ... and the book suggestion. I will have to pick that up! |
| 04:21.38 | ohsix | http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/techlib/techlib.nsf/techdocs/8A70ED3C8215AC5E872569D90050295E/$file/rw_um.pdf <- also covers the jtag port |
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| 04:24.19 | ohsix | joe_bleau: this one here? http://www.leonheller.com/PA-01.jpg |
| 04:24.38 | joe_bleau | Probably |
| 04:24.42 | fishhead | guys |
| 04:24.51 | fishhead | I am visiting an uncharted big lots tomarrow |
| 04:24.54 | ohsix | did you build it yourself? |
| 04:25.04 | fishhead | wish me luck and that I don't hit $2000 on my mastercard when I leave the store |
| 04:25.04 | fishhead | heh |
| 04:25.29 | joe_bleau | Wait, that's an Altera byteblaster clone. May not be the same thing. |
| 04:25.42 | ohsix | thats the only one i can find on there |
| 04:25.48 | joe_bleau | Mine is a '244, a transistor, and a handful of 0805 resistors on a hunk of copperclad. |
| 04:25.50 | fishhead | hoping threy have juicebox stuff cheap and mabye some pda crap |
| 04:25.53 | Chocobo | well goodnight :) |
| 04:26.38 | ohsix | what can i use for the transistor, any small signal? i dont think i'll be able to pick up the exact piece i've seen in any of the plans at the local radio shack |
| 04:27.47 | ohsix | oic http://www.k9spud.com/jtag/ |
| 04:27.47 | joe_bleau | It's in the files area at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lpc2000/ |
| 04:28.15 | ohsix | yea i joined last night, have to wait for moderator approval |
| 04:28.21 | joe_bleau | lol--I was also looking at k9spud page. That's *way* more complicated than mine. |
| 04:29.44 | joe_bleau | Found it...want a dcc? |
| 04:30.05 | ohsix | sure |
| 04:30.17 | ohsix | seems i can get into the file area now, though |
| 04:30.44 | ohsix | oic 3904, i've got a ton of those in my junkbox |
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| 04:31.23 | joe_bleau | plain npn, nothing special at all. Just an open collector reset circuit |
| 04:31.35 | ohsix | right |
| 04:31.49 | ohsix | 20:31 DCC can't connect to 192.168.0.100 port 4442 |
| 04:31.50 | ohsix | :) |
| 04:31.58 | ohsix | i've got it, though |
| 04:32.31 | joe_bleau | Good, 'cause I don't want to play with the firewall tonight. |
| 04:32.34 | ohsix | do you need a seperate 3.3/5v supply with that? |
| 04:32.42 | ohsix | for vref |
| 04:32.42 | joe_bleau | Nope, it pulls from the target |
| 04:32.59 | ohsix | where at? |
| 04:33.35 | joe_bleau | pins 1 & 2. His design is for the 20 pin arm jtag connector |
| 04:34.02 | joe_bleau | (top right in the .pdf schematic) |
| 04:34.06 | ohsix | i've got Wiggler Schematic |
| 04:34.07 | ohsix | k |
| 04:34.28 | ohsix | shouldn't it be connected to vdd on the 244? |
| 04:34.38 | joe_bleau | I need to build another for a friend, maybe I'll document it and add to the Wiki in the next few days. |
| 04:35.01 | joe_bleau | Yes. |
| 04:35.14 | ohsix | k |
| 04:35.30 | fishhead | wow |
| 04:35.33 | ohsix | given that i imagine i have to have the primary power plugged in while using the lead |
| 04:35.40 | fishhead | I think I will load the new bootloader as soon as I get home tomarrow |
| 04:35.50 | fishhead | since tera term for windows supports kermit |
| 04:36.32 | ohsix | heh even the two diagrams in lpc2000s file area dont agree |
| 04:36.50 | joe_bleau | Figures. How 'bout: http://hri.sourceforge.net/tools/ |
| 04:37.13 | ohsix | yea, thats the diagram i was going by when i started going through my junkbox |
| 04:38.23 | joe_bleau | I don't see TRST on 6 |
| 04:39.24 | joe_bleau | Hmm. I don't have it on mine, either. |
| 04:39.40 | joe_bleau | Olimex does on their unit. |
| 04:42.53 | ohsix | k |
| 04:43.04 | ohsix | you do get 3.33v on pin 6 |
| 04:43.41 | joe_bleau | Yep. The target board puts 3.3V on pin 6 of the JTAG connector, so use that to power your wiggler's level shifter. |
| 04:43.47 | ohsix | right |
| 04:44.00 | ohsix | i've got some octal buffers here but their output is inverting :\ |
| 04:44.06 | ohsix | for my BEAM toys |
| 04:44.30 | joe_bleau | Might work. |
| 04:45.10 | joe_bleau | Skip /trst, and you should be able to squeek by with four level shifters |
| 04:45.47 | joe_bleau | (inverting twice) |
| 04:49.51 | ohsix | theres a note on page352 in the riscwatch usermanual that explains trsts role |
| 04:50.15 | joe_bleau | reset jtag state machine, right? |
| 04:50.36 | ohsix | Note: Pin 4 should be connected to TRST on the PPC405/PPC440-based |
| 04:50.37 | ohsix | processors and should be pulled up with a 10K resistor. PPC401/PPC403-based |
| 04:50.37 | ohsix | processors do not have a TRST pin. |
| 04:50.54 | ohsix | Also note that TRST, if it exists, must be |
| 04:50.54 | ohsix | asserted low in response to a power-on or system reset or else the processor may |
| 04:50.54 | ohsix | not boot reliably. It is recommended that TRST from the JTAG connector be |
| 04:50.54 | ohsix | logically ORed with power-on reset of the board before being connected to TRST |
| 04:50.54 | ohsix | on the processor. |
| 04:53.32 | ohsix | not sure what bearing that has on the 16 pin connector |
| 04:57.43 | ohsix | i need to buy some bulk .01 headers :D |
| 04:59.59 | ohsix | can you buy the d-sub hoods with pcbs in them at the shack still? |
| 05:04.27 | ohsix | hm wat, all the other wiggler plans i've seen have d0-d3 connected |
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| 12:19.31 | fishhead | the man has arrived\ |
| 12:24.15 | fishhead | I stiill think if there ever is a nuke holicost and assuming we survive the radiation etc, that it will be like people like from this channel that will be building the net with copper wire and shoestrings |
| 12:24.41 | fishhead | :P |
| 12:27.36 | fishhead | http://www.digitimes.com/bits_chips/a20060214A5027.html |
| 12:27.44 | fishhead | I am surprised this exist at all |
| 12:27.57 | fishhead | from what I understood it was more cost effective to use OTP |
| 12:28.01 | fishhead | and mask rom was totally dead |
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| 13:07.48 | fishhead | prpplague, I got a shrink appointment |
| 13:07.52 | fishhead | and after that |
| 13:07.58 | fishhead | going to check out the big lots I never been to |
| 13:08.03 | fishhead | this one is 2x the one I have seen |
| 13:08.04 | fishhead | <flyback> like stuff the other stores dump when a product fails on the market or is discontinued |
| 13:08.04 | fishhead | [08:06] <flyback> you can get stuff dirt cheap |
| 13:08.04 | fishhead | [08:06] <flyback> it's not bad product necessarily |
| 13:08.04 | fishhead | [08:06] <flyback> it just didn't sell well |
| 13:08.04 | fishhead | [08:06] <Treval> I dunno what you do in univ |
| 13:08.05 | fishhead | [08:06] <flyback> so kmart, etc unload to big lots |
| 13:08.13 | fishhead | things like the juicebox |
| 13:08.18 | fishhead | end up at big lots for $2/each etc |
| 13:08.34 | fishhead | any other toys specific I should look for |
| 14:10.48 | jbevren | heh |
| 14:10.55 | jbevren | thats what the local thrift store does |
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| 16:14.31 | prpplague | jbevren: ping |
| 16:15.43 | jbevren | pong |
| 16:16.41 | prpplague | jbevren: http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/USB_Host |
| 16:17.36 | jbevren | heh I havent touched my gp2x for weeks :-X |
| 16:17.47 | jbevren | pretty sweet though :-D |
| 16:22.04 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:22.09 | jbevren | my library just grew by 6 books |
| 16:22.10 | jbevren | :D |
| 16:24.00 | jbevren | time to solder an A female inline jack to my A/V plug :) |
| 16:30.48 | jbevren | I need to find a more beefy 3v power source too |
| 16:31.01 | jbevren | the xilinx board isnt enough for it to play video heh |
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| 16:50.38 | jbevren | maybe I should just run it off one of my atx psu's while its on the bench :X |
| 16:50.42 | jbevren | heh |
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| 17:31.06 | fishhead | I am running one off an AT right now jbevren |
| 17:31.10 | fishhead | well my ppc |
| 17:31.17 | fishhead | going to upgrade the firmware in a little bit |
| 17:31.25 | fishhead | since tera term for windows supports kermit |
| 17:33.28 | jbevren | what's an AT? |
| 17:33.49 | jbevren | oh |
| 17:33.51 | jbevren | AT psu? |
| 17:33.55 | jbevren | the gp2x requires 3.0v power |
| 17:33.57 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:34.09 | jbevren | so I'll need to get a high current germanium diode |
| 17:34.12 | agaffney | fishhead: you can use tftp as well |
| 17:34.19 | jbevren | yep. I used tftp |
| 17:34.21 | fishhead | don't have tftp |
| 17:34.27 | jbevren | what OS do you use |
| 17:34.29 | jbevren | windows? |
| 17:34.30 | agaffney | then how do you boot it? |
| 17:34.32 | fishhead | yes 2k pro |
| 17:34.37 | agaffney | that's not an OS |
| 17:34.38 | jbevren | you can get tftp daemons for windows |
| 17:34.40 | agaffney | that's an abomination |
| 17:34.46 | fishhead | agaffney, don't even start |
| 17:34.49 | agaffney | heh |
| 17:35.03 | jbevren | http://diet-pc.sourceforge.net/windows/etherboot-w2k.html#tftp |
| 17:35.29 | jbevren | :D |
| 17:35.43 | jbevren | and after that youre set |
| 17:36.01 | fishhead | is it better than kermit ? |
| 17:36.06 | jbevren | well lets think on this :) |
| 17:36.10 | jbevren | load at 115kbit |
| 17:36.10 | jbevren | or |
| 17:36.14 | fishhead | oh I can use that to load a ramdisk later can't I |
| 17:36.15 | jbevren | load at 100000kbit |
| 17:36.18 | jbevren | :) |
| 17:36.18 | fishhead | dude it's just once I don't care |
| 17:36.28 | jbevren | fishhead: nono, this is for kernels and ramdisks too |
| 17:36.35 | agaffney | yeah, but you'll need it later to load a kernel |
| 17:36.37 | fishhead | I might even flash my webpal today if I can setup a dial in thru windows |
| 17:36.51 | fishhead | ok then I will go the tftp route |
| 17:37.07 | jbevren | I havent used windows' tftp service since I have a linux box with it |
| 17:37.17 | jbevren | maybe you should use the ppc board as a tftp server in the long run :) |
| 17:37.29 | agaffney | that's what I'm doing with one of mine :) |
| 17:37.40 | jbevren | my central file server has a tftpd on it |
| 17:37.41 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:37.48 | agaffney | it's going to become my global rarpd/bootp/dhcp/tftp server |
| 17:38.07 | jbevren | I run dhcp on my firewall |
| 17:38.30 | agaffney | I use a WRT54GS as my router/dhcpd |
| 17:38.37 | agaffney | I used to use a SS20 |
| 17:39.32 | jbevren | neat |
| 17:39.36 | jbevren | I have a SS voyager |
| 17:39.42 | jbevren | and a pair of ultra1e's |
| 17:39.53 | jbevren | suns dont really get to me though.. I'm an sgi man |
| 17:40.08 | agaffney | I'm down to a Netra t1125 and a E250 |
| 17:40.11 | agaffney | I've got an Octane |
| 17:42.29 | fishhead | I don't have any linux boxes going right now |
| 17:42.33 | fishhead | and I tossed my ss2 |
| 17:42.36 | fishhead | it was worthless |
| 17:43.06 | agaffney | I gave away a SS2 shortly after I got it |
| 17:43.13 | agaffney | I ended up selling my SS20 and U2 |
| 17:44.23 | fishhead | yeah well I asted $30 on a battery |
| 17:44.30 | fishhead | before I found it below ss5 is garbage |
| 17:44.35 | fishhead | kept the battery though :P |
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| 18:04.24 | jbevren | I have an origin 2000 |
| 18:04.33 | jbevren | origin 200, octane, two o2's 3 indys |
| 18:04.36 | jbevren | heh |
| 18:04.51 | jbevren | an HP j5600, 735/100, 725/50 (pa-risc) |
| 18:04.57 | jbevren | a handful of 68k macs |
| 18:04.59 | jbevren | a few ppc macs |
| 18:05.11 | fishhead | jbevren, did I ask you before about serial bootstrapping ? |
| 18:05.19 | jbevren | no? |
| 18:05.22 | jbevren | I probably missed it if you did |
| 18:06.41 | fishhead | well do you know how |
| 18:06.44 | fishhead | on the m68k dragonball |
| 18:06.54 | fishhead | I don't understand b record etc |
| 18:07.13 | jbevren | ohhh |
| 18:07.20 | jbevren | for the palm? |
| 18:07.23 | fishhead | I have a dead palm with a corrupt rom |
| 18:07.31 | fishhead | the only way to fix it is serial bootrap |
| 18:07.36 | fishhead | either palm os or uclinux |
| 18:07.41 | jbevren | you want palmos heh |
| 18:07.50 | fishhead | I know how to get it into bootstrap mode |
| 18:07.50 | jbevren | uclinux on palm isnt horribly useful afaik |
| 18:07.55 | fishhead | grounding a pin |
| 18:07.56 | jbevren | s/palm/pilots |
| 18:07.59 | fishhead | but don't know the commands etc |
| 18:08.09 | fishhead | I know but if uclinux has better flash repair tools I will use that temp for now |
| 18:08.18 | jbevren | hm |
| 18:08.32 | jbevren | bootstrap uclinux to ram and use that to reflash palmos eh? |
| 18:08.39 | fishhead | don't think too hard I don't have a linux box to do this yet |
| 18:08.40 | fishhead | yeah |
| 18:08.43 | jbevren | I see |
| 18:08.47 | jbevren | I wouldnt konw how to do it, sorry :( |
| 18:08.51 | fishhead | see sector 0 got canucked |
| 18:08.58 | fishhead | and that is the cpu flags etc |
| 18:09.11 | fishhead | well I just need help getting it to boot I can handle it from there |
| 18:09.12 | jbevren | nod |
| 18:09.24 | fishhead | sometime I will show you the script someone wrote and mabye you can understand it |
| 18:09.25 | jbevren | I do remember that the dragonball will read a binary of some format into ram and run it |
| 18:09.30 | fishhead | yes |
| 18:09.35 | jbevren | its probably the same line used for hotsync heh |
| 18:09.48 | fishhead | yes you do it over the serial port |
| 18:10.05 | fishhead | you know you are in bootstrap mode when you hit enter and you get a "@" in terminal |
| 18:10.51 | fishhead | I might have to bootstrap the IIIX to get a rom dump for the IIIxe since neither has a working digitizer right now |
| 18:11.25 | fishhead | but none of this is happening for a while till I get some linux boxes to work from |
| 18:11.48 | jbevren | I still need to find the latest firmware :) |
| 18:11.54 | jbevren | mine works though, so I dont think I'm too interested in updating |
| 18:12.18 | fishhead | what model do you have |
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| 18:13.49 | fishhead | CANUCK |
| 18:13.49 | fishhead | CANUCK |
| 18:14.23 | jbevren | IIIxe |
| 18:14.31 | jbevren | got the $35 special from surpluscomputers.com |
| 18:14.48 | fishhead | nice |
| 18:14.53 | fishhead | that can run up to 4.2 os |
| 18:14.55 | jbevren | yep |
| 18:14.58 | jbevren | you told me hehe |
| 18:15.02 | fishhead | 4.x adds notepad which lets you write on the screen |
| 18:15.05 | fishhead | for notes |
| 18:15.11 | fishhead | and 1-2 other insteresting things |
| 18:15.22 | fishhead | at least run 3.5 + ram patches |
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| 18:17.26 | fishhead | ugh |
| 18:17.30 | fishhead | that looks painful |
| 18:17.32 | fishhead | all the steps |
| 18:17.41 | fishhead | mabye I will just serial update the loader for now |
| 18:18.07 | jbevren | url? |
| 18:18.13 | fishhead | nm I misread |
| 18:18.18 | fishhead | the one you gave me |
| 18:18.29 | jbevren | what one I gave you |
| 18:18.31 | jbevren | oh, for tftp |
| 18:18.38 | jbevren | I thought you were talking about serial'ing the palm still :0 |
| 18:18.50 | fishhead | can't do that from windows I don't think |
| 18:18.56 | fishhead | there used to be a dos program to do it |
| 18:18.59 | fishhead | and a windows one |
| 18:19.01 | fishhead | but they vanished |
| 18:19.54 | fishhead | the idiot didn't post his program anywhere else |
| 18:19.58 | fishhead | so it went with his web page |
| 18:22.32 | fishhead | that was easy :P |
| 18:22.35 | fishhead | tftp running |
| 18:22.50 | jbevren | now you need to do some network setup on the ppc |
| 18:22.58 | jbevren | setenv ethaddr 00:01:02:03:04:05 |
| 18:23.01 | jbevren | setenv ipaddr |
| 18:23.04 | jbevren | setenv serverip |
| 18:23.06 | jbevren | :) |
| 18:23.09 | jbevren | serverip is your winbox of course |
| 18:23.18 | jbevren | from there, you can use tftpboot to load images |
| 18:23.20 | jbevren | like me: |
| 18:23.24 | jbevren | tftpboot 400000 dhs-test |
| 18:23.24 | jbevren | tftpboot c00000 usj.gz |
| 18:23.25 | fishhead | ok |
| 18:23.27 | jbevren | :) |
| 18:23.46 | fishhead | might do the webpal later if I can get a dialtoneless dialup working |
| 18:24.03 | fishhead | only need it long enough to flash the webpal once you do that, you can serial or parallel port flash it |
| 18:24.21 | fishhead | and you can use a network card with linux unlike the origional os which is like vxworks 1.0 |
| 18:24.24 | fishhead | or something |
| 18:26.41 | fishhead | if I am in the midde of flash and the pc dies but the ppc is on battery backup, once I get the pc going again I can keep going correct ? |
| 18:27.08 | jbevren | oh |
| 18:27.12 | jbevren | the ppc runs ppcboot from ram |
| 18:27.14 | jbevren | if the flash fails |
| 18:27.17 | jbevren | just DONT TURN THE PPC OFF :) |
| 18:27.29 | fishhead | ok but killing the pc won't kill it? |
| 18:27.34 | jbevren | right |
| 18:27.36 | fishhead | good |
| 18:27.38 | jbevren | here are the steps |
| 18:27.38 | jbevren | fyi |
| 18:27.41 | jbevren | 1: set up network |
| 18:27.47 | jbevren | 2: load new image into ram |
| 18:27.54 | fishhead | cause I don't feel like restarting this pc to plug it into upds |
| 18:27.54 | jbevren | 3: unprotect and erase flash |
| 18:28.02 | jbevren | up to here, there is no problem, it'll still boot :) |
| 18:28.06 | jbevren | 4: flash and reprotect |
| 18:28.13 | jbevren | upds? |
| 18:28.16 | fishhead | ups |
| 18:28.19 | jbevren | ohhh |
| 18:28.25 | fishhead | do they make a universal boot loader for arm machines as well ? |
| 18:28.31 | jbevren | flashing ppcboot takes about 5 secs |
| 18:28.41 | jbevren | ppcboot works with uboot images |
| 18:28.45 | jbevren | ;-) |
| 18:28.49 | jbevren | uboot is ppcboot's child |
| 18:28.53 | jbevren | (per se) |
| 18:28.55 | fishhead | well if I have a arm machine |
| 18:29.01 | fishhead | is there something like that for it |
| 18:29.04 | jbevren | see, |
| 18:29.10 | jbevren | uboot used to be called ppcboot |
| 18:29.21 | jbevren | they renamed it uboot because ppcboot wasnt appropriate for the arm version of .. ppcboot :) |
| 18:29.27 | jbevren | My gp2x uses uboot fyi |
| 18:29.27 | fishhead | I really don't want to store the kernel and ramdisk in flash on the webpal, too much chance of a problem resulting in a brick |
| 18:29.29 | jbevren | its an arm |
| 18:29.34 | jbevren | linksys'en use uboot iirc? |
| 18:29.35 | fishhead | cool |
| 18:29.41 | fishhead | linksys is mips |
| 18:29.52 | jbevren | my point is reinforced :) |
| 18:29.55 | jbevren | uboot for mips ;-) |
| 18:30.12 | fishhead | so my origional question is there a uboot for arm |
| 18:30.14 | fishhead | you stupid canuck |
| 18:30.21 | fishhead | :P |
| 18:30.24 | jbevren | arm was the second target for ppcboot |
| 18:30.33 | fishhead | :D |
| 18:30.43 | jbevren | then they decided ppcboot wasnt an appropriate loader name for arm systems |
| 18:30.47 | jbevren | so they renamed it.. uboot |
| 18:30.55 | fishhead | I am thinking more and more about making that arm a print server and irc proxy/bnc |
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| 18:30.58 | jbevren | I know youre smart enough to figure that out :) |
| 18:31.03 | fishhead | since it's not worth much else |
| 18:31.09 | jbevren | print server would be cool |
| 18:31.13 | jbevren | does the webpal have rs232? |
| 18:31.18 | fishhead | you can add it |
| 18:31.21 | fishhead | for flashing |
| 18:31.22 | jbevren | cool |
| 18:31.28 | fishhead | also has infrared |
| 18:31.31 | jbevren | I was thinking smart serial terminal |
| 18:31.39 | fishhead | for the keyboard and mouse but I am not going to bother |
| 18:31.48 | fishhead | i can use a junk pc for a serial term |
| 18:31.49 | fishhead | :p |
| 18:31.51 | fishhead | old laptop etc |
| 18:32.08 | jbevren | nod |
| 18:32.16 | fishhead | what I am finding out is this bnc would save me a lot of problems I have now going from machine to machine |
| 18:32.16 | jbevren | if my p120 laptop's lcd wasnt hosed, I'd use LOAF |
| 18:32.23 | fishhead | not just that |
| 18:32.32 | jbevren | ah. bnc's allow multiple connections |
| 18:32.36 | fishhead | apprentely I can script it so all my channels and private windows gets a message |
| 18:32.38 | jbevren | that's similar to my screen solution |
| 18:32.46 | fishhead | so no more having to run the monitor on ups which kills it |
| 18:32.48 | jbevren | I use screen to connect an xterm session to multiple systems :) |
| 18:32.59 | jbevren | why is your monitor on the ups? :) |
| 18:33.06 | fishhead | now I could have the webpal detect the ups fault and send a message to all my irc windows telling them I lost power and can't see and will bbl |
| 18:33.14 | fishhead | so people don't think I was blowing them off |
| 18:33.26 | fishhead | I help a lot of desperate newbies |
| 18:33.33 | fishhead | and once I honestely forgot about this guy |
| 18:33.37 | fishhead | I felt sick for 2 weeks |
| 18:33.41 | jbevren | fishhead: Your ups doesnt support monitoring? |
| 18:33.46 | fishhead | yes it does |
| 18:33.51 | fishhead | but I am saying |
| 18:33.53 | fishhead | with this bnc |
| 18:33.54 | jbevren | use its monitoring :) |
| 18:34.02 | fishhead | I can script the bnc to detect the monitor |
| 18:34.09 | fishhead | and send a global message |
| 18:34.14 | jbevren | oh |
| 18:34.17 | jbevren | powerd is your friend |
| 18:34.31 | jbevren | it monitors a ups, or other powerd instances on other hosts |
| 18:34.32 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.36 | jbevren | you can build a ups-aware network |
| 18:34.38 | fishhead | one less thing to worry about |
| 18:34.42 | fishhead | yes I want to |
| 18:35.02 | fishhead | I have a new apc 500va with usb port and 2 old 520es's |
| 18:35.13 | fishhead | that need batteries and one needs 30 wires put back on :P |
| 18:35.25 | fishhead | going to do the car battery mod |
| 18:35.33 | fishhead | using junk car batteries |
| 18:35.43 | jbevren | dont use junk car batt's :) |
| 18:35.47 | jbevren | theyre cheap. use a new one |
| 18:35.47 | fishhead | why |
| 18:35.49 | jbevren | also, |
| 18:35.53 | jbevren | dont keep the car battery inside |
| 18:35.54 | fishhead | na it ruins them |
| 18:35.57 | jbevren | or on a concrete floor |
| 18:36.00 | fishhead | so i want to use used |
| 18:36.13 | fishhead | I know they leak gas so they will be in a plastic enclosure with baking soda lined |
| 18:36.18 | fishhead | for liquid |
| 18:36.18 | jbevren | you dont want to keep them inside because theyre not sealed. They release explosive hydrogen during (dis)charge |
| 18:36.30 | fishhead | yes but hydrogen will dissapate in this house quickly |
| 18:36.41 | jbevren | dont store them on concrete because that'll make them crack in cold weather |
| 18:36.51 | fishhead | ah |
| 18:36.54 | fishhead | brick solution :P |
| 18:37.09 | jbevren | just a piece of scrap plywood will do :) |
| 18:37.25 | fishhead | yeah the used car battery idea is just temp till I have $$$ then I will get marine or deep cyc;e |
| 18:37.43 | jbevren | get a yellowtop battery |
| 18:37.51 | jbevren | theyre deep-cycle and arent so badly priced. |
| 18:37.56 | fishhead | ok |
| 18:38.15 | jbevren | they're made for car audio |
| 18:38.20 | jbevren | so I bet they'll take the UPS-abuse |
| 18:38.32 | fishhead | ack |
| 18:38.33 | fishhead | $159 |
| 18:38.49 | jbevren | I didnt say they were cheap :P |
| 18:38.56 | jbevren | marine ones will cost more |
| 18:39.02 | fishhead | no they won't |
| 18:39.06 | fishhead | I seen ones at walmart for $59 |
| 18:39.34 | jbevren | so get one lol |
| 18:39.38 | jbevren | also |
| 18:39.42 | jbevren | lots of ups's are 24v |
| 18:39.48 | fishhead | all mine are 12 |
| 18:39.50 | jbevren | so make sure you get an appropriate setup |
| 18:39.51 | jbevren | Ok :) |
| 18:39.54 | jbevren | Mine was 24 |
| 18:39.58 | jbevren | 4x 6v SLA |
| 18:40.16 | jbevren | fishhead: btw, you can also use an old modem to monitor power status |
| 18:40.24 | jbevren | plug it into the wall instead of the ups |
| 18:40.26 | fishhead | you mean with the lights |
| 18:40.30 | jbevren | when power goes out, DSR will drop on the serial port :) |
| 18:40.34 | fishhead | ah |
| 18:40.37 | fishhead | I was right :p |
| 18:40.40 | jbevren | then just shut down in X minutes |
| 18:40.42 | jbevren | nono |
| 18:40.44 | jbevren | not the lights |
| 18:40.46 | jbevren | the serial port :) |
| 18:40.52 | jbevren | modems hold DSR while theyre on |
| 18:41.01 | fishhead | I only have one and I am not going to waste it |
| 18:41.03 | fishhead | but neat idea |
| 18:41.18 | jbevren | go get a 1200bps one from goodwill hehe |
| 18:41.46 | fishhead | HAHAHAHAHAAH |
| 18:41.50 | fishhead | osX x86 has been hacked again |
| 18:41.53 | jbevren | youre not using it to dial out ;-) |
| 18:41.56 | jbevren | haha too funny |
| 18:43.08 | fishhead | well I like to keep it as emergency spare |
| 18:43.16 | fishhead | all my other modems are internal |
| 18:43.18 | fishhead | I have like 20 |
| 18:43.20 | jbevren | ahh |
| 18:43.28 | fishhead | most winmodems but the better kind with hardware dsp and just software controller |
| 18:43.31 | jbevren | I have a 1200 around somewhere heh |
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| 18:50.53 | prpplague | got you all beat |
| 18:51.05 | prpplague | i have a 150 baud accoustic coupler |
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| 18:59.21 | dfarnsworth | Hi all, my DHT 405GP (walnut) board works great. I kinda wish I'd bought a few. |
| 18:59.34 | agaffney | I managed to get 2 |
| 19:00.09 | jbevren | 7DI got 4 :D |
| 19:00.15 | jbevren | s/7D// |
| 19:00.29 | dfarnsworth | Cool. I got 2 as well, but would like more. :) |
| 19:00.44 | agaffney | it's a little late for that :P |
| 19:00.58 | dfarnsworth | works great with U-boot and 2.6 Linux |
| 19:01.05 | jbevren | cool |
| 19:01.17 | jbevren | I use 2.4.25 and ppcboot 1.1.6.1 as patched by gpsfan |
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| 19:02.45 | fishhead | bbl working on the furnace pump |
| 19:03.00 | fishhead | dfarnsworth, feel free to idle here any time |
| 19:03.23 | dfarnsworth | I went ahead and ported U-boot and do almost all my development in 2.6, so went that way. I was pleased to see 2.6 come up without any issues. |
| 19:03.47 | dfarnsworth | fishhead, thanks. I'm usually just on #mklinux |
| 19:04.33 | fishhead | I was the moron that went I think to that channel and told everyone |
| 19:04.45 | fishhead | and got all kinds of death threats cause they thoughrt I was a spammer |
| 19:04.52 | dfarnsworth | ohsix, thanks. I guess I owe you! |
| 19:05.17 | dfarnsworth | s/ohsix/oh/ |
| 19:05.30 | dfarnsworth | yep! |
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| 20:56.55 | fishhead | new furnace in |
| 20:56.59 | fishhead | now I cam start to play a bit |
| 20:59.27 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.08 | fishhead | goign to flash the ppc for sure tonight and might even flash the webpal |
| 21:00.16 | fishhead | it's just been sitting for 2 yrs worse I can do it make it sit more |
| 21:00.25 | fishhead | I should put back together the epson hx20 too |
| 21:00.34 | fishhead | big lots was a total bust btw :/ |
| 21:10.22 | J4k3 | you've got more projects than me |
| 21:10.26 | J4k3 | and thats kinda sick |
| 21:10.33 | J4k3 | my unfinished projects make me depressed and angry |
| 21:10.38 | J4k3 | one day |
| 21:10.44 | J4k3 | I'm gonna flush the project toilet. |
| 21:11.03 | J4k3 | or... just get them all done |
| 21:12.30 | fishhead | well since I got off seroquel I got some balls again |
| 21:12.43 | fishhead | like "oh lets try this and if it blows up wtf?" |
| 21:12.54 | fishhead | instead of making everything a life changing situation |
| 21:16.28 | fishhead | see what I don't get is why the juicebox can handle mp3 playback and webpal can't |
| 21:16.35 | fishhead | unless 10mhz means that much difference |
| 21:17.15 | fishhead | also had a idea |
| 21:17.22 | fishhead | while the user interface routines suck |
| 21:17.28 | fishhead | the actual playback isn't that bad |
| 21:17.38 | fishhead | mabye modding a juicebox with a serial controled player |
| 21:17.46 | fishhead | then you could like use a 286 laptop to drive it |
| 21:17.54 | fishhead | probably not worth it |
| 21:19.24 | fishhead | I still think that is going to happen |
| 21:19.29 | fishhead | some day 70 yrs from now |
| 21:19.32 | fishhead | the whole world will stop |
| 21:19.37 | fishhead | all the machines and internet |
| 21:19.42 | fishhead | and they will start tracing the problem |
| 21:19.58 | fishhead | and all the cables will terminate into a little room and inside will be me dead |
| 21:20.07 | fishhead | i'll be the hamster wheel |
| 21:22.18 | J4k3 | haha |
| 21:22.22 | J4k3 | you're a strange cat, flyback |
| 21:32.29 | ohsix | dfarnsworth: y helo |
| 21:32.53 | dfarnsworth | ohsix, sorry. I didn't mean to use your name. Hi! |
| 21:33.02 | ohsix | i know, happens all the time |
| 21:33.14 | ohsix | were you able to get ethernet to work with the latest HEAD of u-boot? |
| 21:34.03 | dfarnsworth | yes, but I needed to change the PHY address. See that patch at http://elinux.org/wiki/DHT-Walnut-U-Boot |
| 21:34.59 | dfarnsworth | there is another patch needed for IDE, and I bumped the default load address from 0x100000, to 0x200000, to facilitate loading kernels larger than 1MB |
| 21:35.00 | ohsix | yea, i tried the prebuilt image on there and it said 'No ethernet found' in the boot scroll after In:/Out:/Err: |
| 21:35.28 | dfarnsworth | Hmm, that's weird. Works great on my two boards. |
| 21:35.51 | ohsix | i'll have to look again after i unbrick it later |
| 21:36.05 | dfarnsworth | When I said another patch above, I meant another part of the same patch. |
| 21:36.21 | ohsix | right |
| 21:37.25 | ohsix | where did you get the information for the differeht phy address, jtag boundary scan? |
| 21:37.26 | dfarnsworth | I'll re-download it and reflash it just to verify. |
| 21:38.05 | ohsix | i was a boob and didn't dd the old firmware somewhere before i flashed the new, and wasn't able to investigate the old image when the new one broke |
| 21:39.15 | dfarnsworth | U-boot occupies different sectors than ppc-boot. Unfortunately, the last sector of ppcboot overlaps with one of the env. save sectors used by u-boot |
| 21:39.44 | dfarnsworth | I have access to a BDI-2000, so debricking is extremely easy. |
| 21:39.51 | ohsix | and theres an override of the phy address or something? |
| 21:39.57 | ohsix | in the env block |
| 21:40.27 | dfarnsworth | no, no override. it's hardcoded. |
| 21:41.16 | ohsix | oh, i thought you mentioned the overlap might be one of the issues with the ethernet not working on mine |
| 21:41.53 | dfarnsworth | I just meant, that but for the overlap, you wouldn't need to save away a copy of ppcboot. |
| 21:42.02 | ohsix | ah |
| 21:42.22 | ohsix | so its still on there at fff80000 when i unbrick it |
| 21:42.33 | dfarnsworth | actually, there is no overlap until you type "saveenv" in U-boot. |
| 21:42.38 | dfarnsworth | so yes, |
| 21:43.04 | dfarnsworth | of course, u-boot sets the reset vector to begin execution at fffc0100. |
| 21:43.05 | fishhead | I hope the algator clips on thye power wires hold long enough to flash :P |
| 21:43.17 | ohsix | i saw that there was two copies in the ppcboot write deal, but i didn't think of that |
| 21:43.28 | fishhead | wait |
| 21:43.30 | fishhead | uboot is broken? |
| 21:43.42 | ohsix | ethernet didn't work on my board |
| 21:44.11 | fishhead | you think it's uboot or bad nic |
| 21:44.19 | ohsix | which again makes me wonder how you found the phy address, so i can do it when i get mine up again to verify its one or the other |
| 21:44.41 | ohsix | well i had been booting lunix over dhcp for almost 2 days before i decided to flash it:P |
| 21:47.38 | fishhead | oh I should try that |
| 21:47.58 | ohsix | it'll have you wanting to wire up the reset button on the board |
| 21:49.04 | agaffney | there's a reset? |
| 21:49.38 | ohsix | yea there are 4 pads by the ram connector on the ide end |
| 21:51.41 | ohsix | lemme see if its in any of my pictures |
| 21:51.43 | fishhead | where are the canucking kernel and userland images |
| 21:52.37 | ohsix | k its right at the end of the ram connector where the status leds are |
| 21:52.47 | ohsix | on the opposite of the 16pin chip there |
| 21:53.10 | JoseJX | agaffney: It says "system reset" right on the board |
| 21:53.14 | ohsix | near the jtag connector |
| 21:53.14 | ohsix | ya |
| 21:53.26 | dfarnsworth | ohsix, I just downloaded u-boot-1.1.4-df1.bin and flashed it. It worked fine for me. |
| 21:53.32 | agaffney | ah, I see it |
| 21:53.53 | ohsix | dfarnsworth: alrighty |
| 21:54.03 | ohsix | how did you locate the other phy address? |
| 21:54.09 | dfarnsworth | ah, cool. I'll add a reset switch! |
| 21:54.32 | dfarnsworth | Well, I cheated by looking at the ppcboot patch. |
| 21:54.52 | ohsix | thats available somewhere? i couldn't find any of the original stuff |
| 21:54.59 | dfarnsworth | Linux works by just trying each phy address in turn until a phy responds. |
| 21:55.42 | fishhead | UGH |
| 21:55.48 | fishhead | I can't download working userland image |
| 21:55.53 | fishhead | it just keeps looping around the web page |
| 21:55.55 | dfarnsworth | Just patch-ppcboot-1.1.6-km2 on http://elinux.org/wiki/DHT-Walnut |
| 21:57.04 | ohsix | poc |
| 21:57.16 | ohsix | have you messed with i2c + seen whats on the bus? |
| 21:57.50 | ohsix | i couldn't find any pads on the board, thats one thing i'd like to be able to tap in to |
| 21:59.01 | dfarnsworth | I'll see if I can find my i2c test program and scan the bus. |
| 21:59.28 | fishhead | wow it might be possible to drive a tft or dual scan lcd from a laptop with the webpal |
| 21:59.32 | fishhead | it would need some board soldering though |
| 22:00.16 | ohsix | thats one icky patch |
| 22:03.04 | ohsix | i also noticed it didn't act to healthy with the dcache enabled in the monitor before you boot linux or the like, i didn't notice any errata regardnig in any of the datasheets i've read, is it just broke? |
| 22:05.46 | ohsix | hm you're right about lunix finding the phy at 0x09 |
| 22:06.41 | ohsix | those are lbp slots right? |
| 22:07.01 | dfarnsworth | lbp slots? |
| 22:07.28 | ohsix | the localbus thing in the core that all this stuff is built around |
| 22:08.20 | ohsix | plb even |
| 22:08.30 | ohsix | chapter 2 in the users manual |
| 22:08.44 | dfarnsworth | k, but no, the phy is on a mii bus |
| 22:09.44 | ohsix | k, i'm not familiar with what it is to be on the mii bus, i figured everything was on the plb bus or the pci bus |
| 22:10.25 | ohsix | EMAC provides two on-chip peripheral bus (OPB) slave interfaces. The first OPB interface provides access |
| 22:10.25 | ohsix | to the EMAC configuration and status registers. The PLB/OPB bridge enables the processor core to access |
| 22:10.26 | ohsix | these registers. |
| 22:10.27 | ohsix | oic |
| 22:10.32 | dfarnsworth | ok the phy is on a bus that typically just has two devices, the enet controller and the phy. |
| 22:10.34 | ohsix | i guess i could just read the datasheet |
| 22:11.40 | fishhead | nm webpal can't it doesn't have digital red, green, blue out |
| 22:11.42 | fishhead | thought it did |
| 22:13.10 | ohsix | anyone have any idea how to use the 4k onboard scratch sram? :D |
| 22:13.58 | ohsix | hey woo, page 153! |
| 22:14.50 | dfarnsworth | the only i2c device I found is the SROM on the SDRAM. |
| 22:14.54 | dfarnsworth | Adapter "/dev/i2c-0", address 0xa0: |
| 22:14.55 | dfarnsworth | 00000000 80 08 04 0c 08 01 40 00 01 70 54 00 80 10 00 01 ......@..pT..... |
| 22:14.55 | dfarnsworth | 00000010 8f 04 06 01 01 00 0e 75 54 00 00 0f 0e 0f 25 08 .......uT.....%. |
| 22:14.55 | dfarnsworth | 00000020 15 08 15 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................ |
| 22:14.55 | dfarnsworth | 00000030 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 12 4e ...............N |
| 22:14.55 | dfarnsworth | 00000040 2c ff ff ff ff ff ff ff 08 34 4c 53 44 54 34 36 ,........4LSDT46 |
| 22:14.57 | dfarnsworth | 00000050 34 41 47 2d 31 33 45 43 36 20 20 06 00 02 02 5a 4AG-13EC6 ....Z |
| 22:15.01 | dfarnsworth | 00000060 1a ed 72 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ..r............. |
| 22:15.03 | jbevren | ack heh |
| 22:15.03 | dfarnsworth | 00000070 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 64 af ..............d. |
| 22:15.16 | ohsix | alrighty |
| 22:15.26 | jbevren | thank you for dumping the eeprom on your dimm |
| 22:15.29 | jbevren | lol |
| 22:15.31 | ohsix | at least it gives me a smaller place to look |
| 22:15.36 | ohsix | for pads to tap into it |
| 22:15.43 | jbevren | ohsix: look near the battery |
| 22:15.47 | jbevren | or where it would be |
| 22:15.53 | jbevren | I think the rtc may have been i2c |
| 22:16.57 | ohsix | u dibleaat U2? |
| 22:17.02 | ohsix | ffuhgu |
| 22:17.42 | dfarnsworth | the rtc on IBM's walnut (405GP eval board) is not I2C based, IIRC |
| 22:20.12 | jbevren | er |
| 22:20.20 | jbevren | the battery powered one thats not there |
| 22:20.24 | jbevren | has two leads going to the cpu :) |
| 22:20.32 | jbevren | the one that would normally hold the environment :) |
| 22:22.42 | ohsix | the one at U2? |
| 22:22.52 | ohsix | or U5 |
| 22:26.30 | fishhead | http://www.access.co.jp/english/press/060214.html <--- NOW I AM REALLY GLAD THAT PALM INC LOST THE BIG TO BUY BACK THE OS DIVISION :) TAKE THAT PALM! YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE! |
| 22:27.20 | ohsix | mmmh gstreamer and gtk |
| 22:32.20 | jbevren | grumble |
| 22:32.28 | jbevren | need to find a source for aluminum extruded project boxes |
| 22:35.16 | ohsix | spendy |
| 22:35.56 | fishhead | jbe you should be able to get those anywhere online |
| 22:36.00 | fishhead | electronics store wise |
| 22:36.05 | fishhead | evenr adio shack sells those now |
| 22:36.41 | ohsix | orly? |
| 22:36.54 | ohsix | extruded aluminum is a bit different from cast :D |
| 22:36.56 | fishhead | ah |
| 22:37.02 | fishhead | yeah if he's that specific |
| 22:37.04 | fishhead | I dunno |
| 22:37.39 | ohsix | except he said extruded huhu |
| 22:37.40 | fishhead | what's the difference |
| 22:37.46 | fishhead | I know extruded is stamped |
| 22:37.46 | ohsix | eh |
| 22:37.48 | fishhead | cast is melted |
| 22:37.55 | fishhead | but I mean difference in the final product |
| 22:38.06 | ohsix | extruded is extruded, like out of a playdough machine |
| 22:38.17 | ohsix | cast is made like cast plastic |
| 22:38.39 | fishhead | I know that |
| 22:38.45 | fishhead | I mean why woul dyou want one over the other |
| 22:38.47 | fishhead | STUPID CANUCK |
| 22:38.50 | ohsix | all the extruded aluminum cases i've used were recoevred from 300baud modems :D |
| 22:39.01 | ohsix | oic u r a flyback |
| 22:39.15 | fishhead | yeah where do I know you from on efnet ? |
| 22:39.34 | J4k3 | mother fucker |
| 22:39.43 | J4k3 | hyundai requires a login for the webtech site |
| 22:39.45 | J4k3 | man they suck now |
| 22:40.12 | fishhead | yeah I hate sites that do that |
| 22:40.14 | fishhead | for dumb shit |
| 22:41.19 | J4k3 | err no |
| 22:41.27 | J4k3 | I thought they went dealer-only |
| 22:41.31 | J4k3 | but they're still letting owners in |
| 22:43.02 | ohsix | dfarnsworth: what do you make of C101, near the sdram connector by the phy chip |
| 22:43.38 | ohsix | or TP 4/5, either could be i2c |
| 22:43.55 | ohsix | got a seeprom you can stick on either and see? :D |
| 22:44.10 | ohsix | or a dso/logic analyzer |
| 22:45.35 | J4k3 | ahha, righthand, but 130 ft/lbs of torque to break loose |
| 22:46.30 | dfarnsworth | ohsix, don't know about C101 or TP 4/5, but I agree it would be nice to tap into the I2C bus |
| 22:47.29 | ohsix | time to run to the shack |
