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| 04:32.31 | jbevren | yawn |
| 04:34.13 | joe_bleau | Hey, has anyone built u-boot with dfarnsworth's patch? |
| 04:56.44 | jbevren | I havent |
| 04:59.32 | joe_bleau | Had some 'net problems with the one I built, but I think it was fat finger induced. |
| 05:14.55 | jbevren | random fact |
| 05:14.59 | jbevren | the largest turkey on record is 86lbs |
| 05:19.02 | J4k3 | I thought the largest turkey on record was the wrt54g v5? :) |
| 05:27.40 | joe_bleau | Hah, that's better. u-boot running at fff80000 |
| 05:30.44 | jbevren | yay heh |
| 05:30.46 | jbevren | eth an dall? |
| 05:34.52 | joe_bleau | I turned off the env stuff to move it...building with env in flash now. |
| 05:52.26 | jbevren | hmm |
| 05:52.45 | jbevren | did you read the tech doc for bgmicro's 2x20 vfd terminal? |
| 05:54.39 | joe_bleau | No, should I? |
| 05:55.17 | jbevren | its pretty simple |
| 05:55.31 | jbevren | 9600bps, number pad plus other keys |
| 05:55.40 | jbevren | shrug |
| 05:55.45 | jbevren | figured you might find it at least curious |
| 05:55.46 | joe_bleau | I think my non-IRC ppc-hacking buddy bought one |
| 05:56.04 | joe_bleau | u-boot at 0xfff8 |
| 05:57.59 | jbevren | cool |
| 05:58.04 | jbevren | with env? |
| 05:58.28 | joe_bleau | yep |
| 05:58.38 | jbevren | :) |
| 05:59.12 | joe_bleau | But now I've forgotten why I wanted to move it. |
| 05:59.33 | jbevren | to have more than one bootloader and not have overlapping env? |
| 05:59.33 | joe_bleau | Something to do with the 0xfffffffc initial jump, I guess. |
| 05:59.48 | jbevren | ohh could be |
| 06:00.54 | joe_bleau | I've not finished reading today's logs...anything new on the kernel/userland side? |
| 06:01.54 | jbevren | I havent done anything myself |
| 06:02.06 | jbevren | the only thing withstanding was gpsfan getting his userland on the 2.6 kernel |
| 06:02.16 | jbevren | which afaik he decided was a soft-float issue in the kernel |
| 06:02.36 | joe_bleau | Hmm. |
| 06:02.44 | jbevren | that said, Ive been away most of the evening |
| 06:02.59 | joe_bleau | I've been trying to sample some Maxim RTC chips, but their site blows. |
| 06:03.15 | joe_bleau | Maybe I'll just air-wire a '1307 on there instead. |
| 06:03.30 | joe_bleau | Got diodes and resistors, caps, etc. Just don't have a drop on RTC chip. |
| 06:03.35 | jbevren | I use ntpdate |
| 06:03.36 | jbevren | hehe |
| 06:03.39 | joe_bleau | Freakin' odd package choice. |
| 06:03.50 | joe_bleau | ntpdate is deprecated |
| 06:04.03 | joe_bleau | Mills rails against it on a regular basis |
| 06:04.04 | jbevren | rdate doesnt work :) |
| 06:04.39 | joe_bleau | Heard of anyone working out the missing sdram bank select signals yet? |
| 06:04.50 | jbevren | I havent |
| 06:05.02 | jbevren | in fact I dont konw what the verified stock maximum is on ram |
| 06:05.06 | jbevren | I'm using 64M atm |
| 06:05.14 | joe_bleau | I've seen 128, single sided. |
| 06:05.28 | joe_bleau | I think the chip will do 256, but it has to have the other two bank sel signals |
| 06:06.52 | jbevren | 256 per bank yeah |
| 06:06.57 | jbevren | I read that on amcc's site |
| 06:10.21 | jbevren | ok sleep time |
| 06:10.29 | joe_bleau | later |
| 06:14.54 | silverpower | Does the Walnut lack an RTC? |
| 06:15.46 | silverpower | (I'm getting all the gear I need to start developing with this board tomorrow. Go me.) |
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| 13:08.59 | prpplague | morning folks |
| 13:09.08 | prpplague | any issues last night? |
| 13:31.55 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7467429921.html |
| 13:51.05 | jbevren | prepare for a slashdotting soon heh |
| 13:51.09 | jbevren | not that its on /. yet |
| 13:53.09 | prpplague | jbevren: yea someone usually posts on /. shortly after linuxdevices |
| 13:53.27 | prpplague | funny thing is, they didn't even mention me |
| 13:53.29 | prpplague | only tim |
| 13:54.04 | prpplague | i guess i should add some info on #edev channel |
| 13:55.27 | jbevren | oh god no hehe |
| 13:55.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:56.13 | jbevren | only if you +l the channel lol |
| 13:56.20 | jbevren | j/k |
| 13:56.38 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:57.01 | prpplague | well i'm worried about the elinux.org web site, sf.net is hosting it and they are already complaining about the bandwidth |
| 13:57.23 | prpplague | apparently the jb and the walnut pages have been very busy |
| 13:57.49 | jbevren | so you can host your free website at sf.net as long as its unpopular? :) |
| 14:11.18 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, looks that way, hehe |
| 14:12.43 | jbevren | bah a:( |
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| 14:14.53 | jbevren | Morning |
| 14:15.00 | GPSFan | howdy.. |
| 14:16.03 | prpplague | GPSFan: morning |
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| 15:19.28 | jbevren | meh |
| 15:19.36 | jbevren | I really need to build a 3v rs232 level shifter |
| 15:19.40 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:24.37 | agaffney | a what? |
| 15:24.44 | jbevren | a 3v rs232 level shifter |
| 15:24.49 | jbevren | :) |
| 15:24.53 | jbevren | I dont think I stuttered |
| 15:25.01 | jbevren | problem: rs232 is +/-12v |
| 15:25.05 | jbevren | so it has a 24v swing |
| 15:25.17 | jbevren | further, most devices only have a 0v/3v swing for their serial ports |
| 15:25.30 | jbevren | so not only can they not drive rs232, they'd be destroyed while recieving it |
| 15:25.34 | jbevren | that's where a level shifter comes in |
| 15:27.59 | agaffney | ah |
| 15:28.21 | jbevren | do you have a dht board? |
| 15:28.51 | jbevren | if so, you can spot its rs232 level shifter right behind the serial port |
| 15:28.54 | jbevren | the tiny maxim IC :) |
| 15:28.58 | agaffney | yes |
| 15:29.04 | agaffney | ah |
| 15:29.08 | agaffney | I see |
| 15:29.33 | jbevren | the device I'm working with has the serial lines for debugging, but since theyre not intended to be used by an end-user, there's no level shifter or db9 port |
| 15:29.47 | agaffney | ah |
| 15:30.06 | jbevren | on the wiki, ou can read about the juicebox's serial hack |
| 15:30.27 | jbevren | that covers what I need to do, but my target isnt (yet) a JB. I have one, but its not modified as yet |
| 15:30.49 | jbevren | fortunately, the serial lines are on a port, so I dont have to solder or anything. I just need to find a suitable plug |
| 15:31.29 | jbevren | the walnut board is a good stepping stone for embedding linux |
| 15:31.44 | jbevren | its reasonably powerful, but not so much that you feel comfortable running bloated stuff ;-) |
| 15:31.56 | jbevren | and to its advantage, it can be stuffed in a fanless box without problems :) |
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| 17:12.24 | prpplague | folks, there is a new hardware channel #openhardware |
| 17:12.32 | prpplague | its mainly for hardware developers |
| 17:12.41 | jbevren | cool |
| 17:12.44 | prpplague | people wanting to design open hardware |
| 17:13.02 | prpplague | not limited to microcontrollers |
| 18:02.11 | dfarnsworth | the walnut has pads for an RTC, but unpopulated |
| 18:02.18 | dfarnsworth | oops |
| 18:02.23 | jbevren | I've mentioned this a few 10s of times :) |
| 18:02.26 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:02.29 | dfarnsworth | heh |
| 18:02.40 | jbevren | the trick is figuring out what rtc it used |
| 18:03.17 | prpplague | i'd bet if you mapped out some of the connects you probably could identify the rtc chip |
| 18:03.39 | jbevren | heh |
| 18:03.44 | jbevren | I'm for thinking its an i2c device |
| 18:03.52 | jbevren | iirc there are only two leads to it that arent power crystal or ground |
| 18:03.55 | jbevren | so : |
| 18:04.09 | jbevren | if you can capture the i2c address being sent to it during ppcboot 1.1.2 saveenv, you can probably easily find it |
| 18:04.38 | jbevren | (/soapbox) |
| 18:04.44 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:06.17 | jbevren | spell checkers will be are savior four spelling mistakes. |
| 18:06.23 | jbevren | wrong channel, but funny no less |
| 18:12.00 | prpplague | spell checkers will be are savior four spelling mistakes that are made to often |
| 18:12.14 | prpplague | spell checkers will be are savior four spelling mistakes that are made two often |
| 18:12.49 | jbevren | there their they're |
| 18:20.10 | AchiestDragon | witch is ok if it gets the rite meanings for the words :) |
| 18:26.29 | jbevren | Weight, ewe our knot write! |
| 18:26.32 | jbevren | lol |
| 18:54.50 | dfarnsworth | now I can use 128MB of a 256MB dimm on the walnut, better than none of it |
| 18:55.28 | jbevren | yay |
| 18:57.05 | dfarnsworth | I'm guessing that the 3rd and 4th banks selects aren't wired from the processor to the dimm socket |
| 19:04.15 | prpplague | jbevren: actually i have a pixter MM on the way |
| 19:04.23 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm dying to find out whats inside |
| 19:04.46 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:06.45 | jbevren | so is there a way out of the sleep test on the jb? :) |
| 19:07.02 | prpplague | sorry don't recall |
| 19:07.18 | prpplague | i've been swampped and haven't touched mine in several weeks |
| 19:07.25 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:07.26 | jbevren | just curious |
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| 19:46.12 | agaffney | hurray! |
| 19:46.19 | agaffney | my IDE->CF adapters arrived |
| 19:46.25 | agaffney | now I just need some CF cards :P |
| 19:57.29 | dfarnsworth | agaffney, I missed the discussion. How much did they cost? |
| 19:57.41 | agaffney | $12 at newegg.com |
| 19:57.50 | dfarnsworth | thanks |
| 19:58.12 | agaffney | hang on, I'll get you the product link |
| 19:58.32 | agaffney | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822998003 |
| 19:58.44 | dfarnsworth | k, I see it |
| 20:17.23 | jbevren | thats a nice adapter |
| 20:18.34 | jbevren | hm |
| 20:18.38 | jbevren | I dont remember that trick heh |
| 20:18.51 | jbevren | the xf86 mga driver causes a bus fault on my HP jclass |
| 20:19.25 | jbevren | hmm what else would I get from newegg hehe |
| 20:24.38 | agaffney | jbevren: I'm wary about trying video in my C3600 |
| 20:24.49 | agaffney | last time I tried, it killed it :( |
| 20:25.36 | agaffney | http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/agaffney/2005/04/25/hp_c3600_woes |
| 20:31.02 | jbevren | agaffney: I use a matrox millenium II |
| 20:31.11 | jbevren | the card doesnt work with accel on tho |
| 20:31.21 | agaffney | yeah, that was before I knew about the video bios issue |
| 20:31.25 | jbevren | video=matroxfb:noaccel <- |
| 20:31.27 | agaffney | anyway, that shouldn't have killed the box |
| 20:31.33 | agaffney | I have no idea what did |
| 20:31.39 | agaffney | I replaced the C3600 eventually, though |
| 20:31.50 | agaffney | I've got 2 matrox millenium IIs coming |
| 20:31.56 | agaffney | for my walnut boards |
| 20:32.56 | jbevren | :) |
| 20:33.20 | agaffney | they should arrive soon |
| 20:33.23 | agaffney | probably tomorrow |
| 20:33.28 | agaffney | just in time to play over the weekend :) |
| 20:33.35 | agaffney | I've got one board here at work and one at home |
| 20:34.56 | jbevren | heh |
| 20:35.02 | jbevren | I guess you got usb cards too |
| 20:35.49 | agaffney | no, not yet |
| 20:36.05 | jbevren | hehe |
| 20:36.08 | jbevren | get 'em :P |
| 20:36.35 | agaffney | recommendations? |
| 20:36.59 | jbevren | shrug |
| 20:37.03 | jbevren | not best buy.. too expensive |
| 20:37.12 | jbevren | I'm using an ehci card from bbuy.. 2 stinking port for $30 |
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| 23:02.37 | jbevren | (--) MGA(0): BIOS at 0xF9010000 |
| 23:02.39 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.41 | jbevren | meh :) |
| 23:03.02 | jbevren | I wonder if it'd do better on a different pci bus |
| 23:10.14 | rx700 | http://elm-chan.org/works/pci/report_e.html |
| 23:12.21 | jbevren | grumble |
| 23:12.24 | jbevren | mozilla launches |
| 23:12.27 | jbevren | but wont browse |
| 23:12.35 | jbevren | you can type in the url bar, but it ignores enter |
| 23:12.52 | jbevren | when you paste a url (middle click, a quick browsing shortcut), it goes nowhere |
| 23:13.17 | jbevren | I understand that not many people have 64bit HP's, but I bet every one of them wants a web browser :) |
| 23:13.52 | jbevren | oo they fixed firefox after a year :) |
| 23:14.17 | jbevren | free |
| 23:14.20 | jbevren | oops wrong kbd |
| 23:16.00 | jbevren | I think elm chan's english is getting worse |
| 23:16.11 | jbevren | nice link though |
| 23:16.30 | jbevren | now, if I could get some sort of accelerated (2D) graphics c ard going in this thing.. |
| 23:17.12 | rx700 | http://elm-chan.org/works/mxb/report_e.html |
| 23:17.14 | rx700 | KICKASS |
| 23:18.14 | rx700 | NO FREAKING way that is a avr playing that |
| 23:18.19 | jbevren | elm-chan has a lot of useful stuff |
| 23:18.42 | rx700 | never been there till today |
| 23:20.05 | jbevren | there's a nice mp3 player project there |
| 23:26.26 | rx700 | is there a simple mp3 decoder chip you can interface to a parallel port and get decent audio out from? |
| 23:26.49 | jbevren | there are a few |
| 23:26.56 | rx700 | hmm |
| 23:26.56 | jbevren | intermetall has the mas3507D |
| 23:27.02 | jbevren | ST makes one whose ID I forget |
| 23:27.07 | jbevren | VLSI has one (1101k?) |
| 23:27.20 | jbevren | the hoehoeamp on elm-chan uses the mas chip iirc |
| 23:29.00 | rx700 | anything in dip ? |
| 23:29.21 | jbevren | http://elm-chan.org/works/mp3/report_e.html |
| 23:29.23 | jbevren | hm |
| 23:29.25 | jbevren | there's a tsop |
| 23:29.30 | jbevren | which is relatively easy to use |
| 23:29.33 | jbevren | the VLSI chip I thikn |
| 23:30.16 | rx700 | or even plcc with a socket |
| 23:30.19 | rx700 | I don't care |
| 23:30.30 | jbevren | does it have to be through-hole? :) |
| 23:31.02 | rx700 | kinda |
| 23:31.16 | rx700 | has to be something I can do with a $5 iron |
| 23:31.16 | rx700 | :P |
| 23:33.03 | jbevren | http://elm-chan.org/works/mp3_tips/report_e.html <- soldering stuff with a $5 iron :) |
| 23:34.14 | rx700 | omg his english sucks |
| 23:34.19 | rx700 | very hard to follow :p |
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| 23:41.18 | rx700 | http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/salvage4free/detail?.dir=6a64&.dnm=d944.jpg&.src=ph |
| 23:41.45 | dfarnsworth | looks like the pinout on the walnut rtc matches a max6900 |
| 23:41.57 | joe_bleau | Yep, but just try to sample one. I dare you! |
| 23:42.04 | joe_bleau | I've been trying for weeks |
| 23:42.10 | joe_bleau | Well, maybe 2 weeks. |
| 23:42.23 | dfarnsworth | that's "weeks" |
| 23:42.27 | joe_bleau | Find any disti stocking the '6900? |
| 23:43.03 | dfarnsworth | no, I haven't really looked, but at least I know the pads where I can attach my own i2c chips if I need to. Sorry. |
| 23:43.05 | joe_bleau | I've got diodes, xtals, etc. Just no '6900. Thinking about air wiring a DS1307, but haven't check to see if the register map is the same. |
| 23:43.33 | joe_bleau | BTW, that's some fine work you've been putting in. I appreciate it. |
| 23:43.48 | dfarnsworth | it doesn't really matter if the register map matches, as long as there is a driver for the 6900 |
| 23:43.56 | dfarnsworth | s/6900/DS1307/ |
| 23:44.02 | joe_bleau | Gotcha. |
| 23:44.43 | dfarnsworth | joe_bleau, thanks. first time I've updated a wiki. |
| 23:45.02 | joe_bleau | Well, the patches were more impressive to me, but that's good too. |
| 23:46.09 | dfarnsworth | It's been fun. I'm about to put up a slightly revised u-boot. I initialized the ethaddr to de:ad:be:ef:00:00, let it be overwritten several times, and works with double-sided dimms, but using only one side of the dimm :( |
| 23:46.27 | joe_bleau | I was hacking on it last night. |
| 23:46.31 | joe_bleau | Moved it down to 0xfff80000 |
| 23:47.01 | joe_bleau | That DS dimm fix could be useful, since so many larger simms are double sided. |
| 23:47.05 | dfarnsworth | I saw that, but don't know why. I'm trying to minimize changes from standard u-boot. |
| 23:47.26 | joe_bleau | Why I wanted to do it? |
| 23:47.26 | dfarnsworth | yeah, doesn't croak with my 256MB dimm, but only uses 128MB. |
| 23:47.59 | joe_bleau | GPSFan traced it out. The PWB doesn't bring all the bank sels to the dimm slot. |
| 23:48.21 | dfarnsworth | any other improvements you can think of for u-boot? (besides moving to fff80000) |
| 23:48.22 | joe_bleau | No one has bothered to find the BGA vias to make the patch. Yet. |
| 23:48.39 | joe_bleau | That's all I've worked on so far. |
| 23:48.57 | joe_bleau | I had entertained thoughts of a full on port, instead of mutilating the walnut port to our ends. |
| 23:49.16 | joe_bleau | I did add some default env stuff for myself, using your mods as a template. |
| 23:49.54 | joe_bleau | I kinda wish it wasn't so big, so that a safety copy of 1.1.2 could be retained. |
| 23:50.05 | joe_bleau | That would mean giving up the backup env sector, though. |
| 23:50.17 | dfarnsworth | actually, I didn't change any of the standard env vars. |
| 23:50.54 | dfarnsworth | it would be nice if two copies could co-exist, but I sure don't think 1.1.2 is worth keeping around. |
| 23:50.56 | joe_bleau | moving to the fff8 sector lets you avoid modifying the reset vector, but I don't know that that mattery |
| 23:51.17 | joe_bleau | It was when the 1.1.6 stuff was still in flux... |
| 23:51.32 | joe_bleau | Are you jtag capable? |
| 23:51.35 | dfarnsworth | yeah, not much difference either way |
| 23:52.07 | dfarnsworth | yes, I put jtag headers on my 2 boards. I use a bdi2000, which can program the flash on its own. |
| 23:52.25 | joe_bleau | Nice. I hear good things about those. |
| 23:52.26 | dfarnsworth | so debricking is a couple of bdi2000 commands |
| 23:52.36 | dfarnsworth | they are tremendous. |
| 23:52.40 | jbevren | man |
| 23:52.44 | joe_bleau | Ever use a riscwatch? |
| 23:52.46 | jbevren | its nice to be in 2gigs of ram lol |
| 23:52.48 | dfarnsworth | simple commands but do everything you could want |
| 23:52.51 | jbevren | anyway |
| 23:52.53 | jbevren | out for the eve |
| 23:53.02 | dfarnsworth | take care, jbevren |
| 23:53.23 | dfarnsworth | haven't used a riscwatch, but I'm somewhat familiar with it. |
| 23:53.59 | joe_bleau | I've got one parked at a friends, but we don't know the connector pinout (20 pin). |
| 23:54.50 | dfarnsworth | cool. I'm sure you've looked for info on a cable to go to 16-pin jtag. |
| 23:55.27 | joe_bleau | Yeah, and so has he. Their's are on support at his workplace, but this box is apparently really old. May even be HP branded. |
| 23:55.32 | joe_bleau | So, no luck so far. |
| 23:55.41 | dfarnsworth | I have schematics for the ibm (now amcc) walnut board. They refer to the jtag connector as a "riscwatch connector" |
| 23:55.48 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I noticed that. |
| 23:57.48 | dfarnsworth | they say the BDI's expensive. The one I use is my employer's. |
| 23:57.59 | dfarnsworth | (so I wouldn't know) |
| 23:58.03 | joe_bleau | Yeah, and they soak you for the additional cpu support. |
| 23:58.17 | joe_bleau | (I recently called after reading all of T0mW's glowing reports.) |
| 23:58.24 | dfarnsworth | yep |
| 23:58.56 | joe_bleau | SingleStep doesn't support the BDI2k, so it's a nonstarter at work. |
| 23:59.18 | joe_bleau | I do enjoy the low-level hacking. |
| 23:59.25 | dfarnsworth | looking up SingleStep |
| 23:59.28 | joe_bleau | The linux userland stuff less so. |
| 23:59.38 | dfarnsworth | ah, WR |
| 23:59.40 | joe_bleau | Windriver nowadays. |
| 23:59.45 | joe_bleau | Used to be SDS |
