| 00:00.14 | joe_bleau | Gots to have my pretty little windows. I'm *so* spoiled. |
| 00:00.22 | dfarnsworth | heh |
| 00:00.50 | dfarnsworth | it wouldn't take much go modify SingleStep to work with bdi2000. must be politics involved. |
| 00:00.59 | joe_bleau | Oh, I'm sure. |
| 00:01.21 | joe_bleau | Probably see 'em as a competitor to the old EST stuff they bought. |
| 00:02.54 | dfarnsworth | Well, I better get back to work. :) |
| 00:03.16 | joe_bleau | Oops. Sorry to keep you, I didn't know. |
| 00:04.59 | dfarnsworth | np. I kept myself. |
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| 01:56.54 | dfarnsworth | ok, I put my latest u-boot build on http://elinux.org/wiki/DHT-Walnut-U-Boot |
| 01:57.12 | joe_bleau | double sided dimm at half cap? |
| 01:57.46 | dfarnsworth | yes, plus default ethaddr and ability to change ethaddr |
| 01:59.02 | dfarnsworth | that gets rid of the problem ohsix ran into. As far as I know, he's the only one who's been brave enough to try it. :) |
| 01:59.14 | joe_bleau | What problem did he have? |
| 01:59.27 | joe_bleau | I know he bricked, but haven't heard how or if it's resolved. |
| 02:00.01 | dfarnsworth | network interface didn't work because he didn't set ethaddr. It didn't brick, nic just didn't work. Then in re-flashing it, he bricked it. |
| 02:00.27 | joe_bleau | I ran across that net problem yesterday too. I eventually figured it out. |
| 02:00.37 | joe_bleau | My bricks were very much my own doing. |
| 02:00.45 | dfarnsworth | :) |
| 02:00.49 | agaffney | I don't have the stuff to de-brick |
| 02:01.53 | sunrunner20 | bricked? |
| 02:01.54 | dfarnsworth | I understand, though on other boards, I've seen enough problems with ppcboot to prefer u-boot |
| 02:02.09 | agaffney | ooh! |
| 02:02.15 | agaffney | my wife's digital camera uses CF |
| 02:02.21 | dfarnsworth | heh |
| 02:02.27 | r2d2 | agaffney: you got one of the ide-cf adapters? |
| 02:02.35 | agaffney | r2d2: 2 of them |
| 02:02.41 | r2d2 | agaffney: let me know how it goes :) |
| 02:09.54 | agaffney | that PSU did not want to give itself up |
| 02:10.44 | agaffney | I showed it who was boss :P |
| 02:15.23 | agaffney | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.23 | agaffney | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.23 | agaffney | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.30 | agaffney | hurray! |
| 02:15.35 | dfarnsworth | congrats! |
| 02:15.44 | agaffney | r2d2: looks like it works to me :) |
| 02:20.47 | dfarnsworth | the scavenging continues |
| 02:21.10 | agaffney | it was an old P2 ~350 I picked up for $15 at a surplus auction a while back |
| 02:21.23 | agaffney | looks like 2 PC100 128MB sticks |
| 02:21.26 | agaffney | double-sided |
| 02:22.14 | agaffney | DRAM: SDRAM - conflicting module memory size |
| 02:22.14 | agaffney | ### ERROR ### Please RESET the board ### |
| 02:22.19 | agaffney | guess it didn't like that one :P |
| 02:22.42 | dfarnsworth | my new u-boot image will use 64MB of it. :P |
| 02:22.53 | agaffney | didn't like the other one either :P |
| 02:23.07 | agaffney | does your new u-boot image work? :P |
| 02:23.13 | r2d2 | agaffney: nice |
| 02:23.18 | agaffney | and what do I need to know when upgrading to ppcboot? |
| 02:23.19 | r2d2 | agaffney: did you pick them up off ebay? |
| 02:23.24 | agaffney | newegg |
| 02:23.27 | agaffney | $12 each |
| 02:23.45 | agaffney | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822998003 |
| 02:23.59 | dfarnsworth | agaffney, works on my 2 boards. Every thing you need to know is at http://elinux.org/wiki/DHT-Walnut-U-Boot |
| 02:25.33 | r2d2 | agaffney: looks identical to http://cgi.ebay.ca/3-x-Compact-Flash-CF-to-IDE-adapter-P11_W0QQitemZ5867876589QQcategoryZ96942QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 02:25.35 | agaffney | so is there only a problem when going from u-boot back to ppcboot? |
| 02:25.55 | agaffney | r2d2: I looked at a few of those auctions |
| 02:26.02 | agaffney | they want like $12 to ship them |
| 02:26.19 | r2d2 | i don't care about the shipping cost, I care about the final cost |
| 02:27.05 | r2d2 | 7.98 gbp for 3 of them shipped == $13.85 USD |
| 02:27.20 | dfarnsworth | the only problem there, is that the u-boot start address is fffc0100, so when you reflash with ppcboot, you have to rewrite the reset vector at fffffffc to jump to fff80100. |
| 02:27.49 | dfarnsworth | but, you'll never want to go back. :) |
| 02:28.23 | agaffney | I guess that's how ohsix bricked his board |
| 02:28.50 | r2d2 | 3 of them is about right for me now too, 2x walnut, 1x efika |
| 02:29.12 | dfarnsworth | I guess that's how he bricked it. |
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| 02:29.46 | agaffney | dfarnsworth: http://www.genesippc.com/efika.php |
| 02:30.26 | agaffney | r2d2: you put in your OSW project idea? |
| 02:30.27 | JoseJX | I got an efika too, but I'm really excited about the Quad 970s they're going to give away. ;) |
| 02:30.31 | dfarnsworth | I see, what are they selling for. I did the original linux port for the mpc5200. |
| 02:30.36 | r2d2 | agaffney: just noticed OSW is opened |
| 02:30.42 | agaffney | I put mine in the other day |
| 02:30.47 | r2d2 | yeah, I see it |
| 02:30.50 | agaffney | JoseJX: what was your project idea? |
| 02:30.53 | JoseJX | dfarnsworth: They're expensive $299 I think, but you have to order in batches of 50 |
| 02:31.00 | JoseJX | agaffney: For OSW? |
| 02:31.21 | agaffney | JoseJX: yeah |
| 02:31.30 | JoseJX | dfarnsworth: I'm sure if you emailed genesi they'd send you one though |
| 02:31.40 | JoseJX | agaffney: I want to port MOL to the 970 |
| 02:32.06 | JoseJX | I've actually already started it, but I'd like a machine to test on |
| 02:32.34 | r2d2 | my OSW use would be ppc64/ppc hardened support & stage/livecd buildhost+testing |
| 02:32.59 | dfarnsworth | I still have a bad taste in my mouth from the mpc5200. I sure hope they fixed the critical hw bugs in the mpc5200b. |
| 02:33.25 | JoseJX | dfarnsworth: Like what? |
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| 02:34.24 | dfarnsworth | they had bus arbiter issues. as long as only one device did dma, it was ok, but network + ide didn't work at the same time, for instance. |
| 02:34.33 | JoseJX | Ew :( |
| 02:34.59 | agaffney | => version |
| 02:34.59 | agaffney | U-Boot 1.1.4 (Feb 16 2006 - 17:15:06) |
| 02:35.01 | dfarnsworth | I don't know anyone that got ide to work reliably, even pio |
| 02:35.01 | agaffney | hurray! |
| 02:35.09 | dfarnsworth | cool! |
| 02:35.51 | dfarnsworth | thanks for taking the leap of faith |
| 02:36.27 | agaffney | there's a lot of stuff in the env |
| 02:36.32 | agaffney | what is all this? |
| 02:36.36 | dfarnsworth | I'm not thrilled with all the env vars that u-boot sets up, but I didn't think it critical enough to fix. |
| 02:36.58 | agaffney | will a baudrate change take effect after a 'reset'? |
| 02:37.21 | dfarnsworth | almost none are needed. I haven't tried other baud rates. let me test. |
| 02:37.32 | agaffney | guess not |
| 02:37.35 | agaffney | it prompts you immediately |
| 02:37.42 | dfarnsworth | yep, I see |
| 02:38.08 | rx700 | damn |
| 02:38.15 | rx700 | cf to ide even directplug got cheap |
| 02:38.23 | agaffney | => ide part 0 |
| 02:38.24 | agaffney | Partition Map for IDE device 0 -- Partition Type: DOS |
| 02:38.24 | agaffney | Partition Start Sector Num Sectors Type 1 32 501216 6 |
| 02:38.27 | agaffney | that's kinda cool |
| 02:38.34 | agaffney | it can read partition tables |
| 02:38.46 | JoseJX | Hmm |
| 02:38.47 | agaffney | what other disklabel types does it understand? |
| 02:39.03 | dfarnsworth | yes, and if you copy a uImage to a partition, it will boot it. |
| 02:39.20 | dfarnsworth | lemme look about partitions |
| 02:39.48 | dfarnsworth | DOS, MAC, ISO |
| 02:40.13 | agaffney | nice |
| 02:40.16 | JoseJX | Any ideas why apache might not be running on my walnut? It works fine in a ppc chroot on another machine, but it looks like it's not forking on the walnut. :p No errors as far as I can see. |
| 02:40.44 | agaffney | JoseJX: you may want to try lighttpd...that's what I'll be running on mine |
| 02:41.11 | dfarnsworth | not enough mem, JoseJX? |
| 02:41.38 | JoseJX | dfarnsworth: It's got 128Mb, I'm pretty sure that's enough. :) |
| 02:41.53 | JoseJX | agaffney: Yeah, I might just do that. |
| 02:42.03 | agaffney | hmm, it froze after detecting the memory |
| 02:42.07 | agaffney | DRAM: 64 MB |
| 02:42.08 | dfarnsworth | I wouldn't be so sure. :) |
| 02:42.10 | agaffney | *freeze* |
| 02:42.32 | dfarnsworth | hmm, sorry to hear that. |
| 02:42.41 | agaffney | it likes that stick a little better |
| 02:43.13 | dfarnsworth | did one of you 128MB sticks work? |
| 02:43.17 | agaffney | yes |
| 02:43.18 | agaffney | only 1 |
| 02:43.25 | agaffney | they're not the same brand, though |
| 02:43.30 | dfarnsworth | good. |
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| 02:47.52 | agaffney | is the firewire card that came with these boards useful at all? |
| 02:48.18 | dfarnsworth | it works great on linux, but I had to borrow a fw dvd writer to test it. |
| 02:48.28 | agaffney | it's not much use to me |
| 02:48.41 | dfarnsworth | I didn't write any dvds, but I read a cd. :) |
| 02:48.58 | JoseJX | Plug your iPod into it. :) |
| 03:00.48 | inv | Can You tell me how user can show zImage where to decompress ? |
| 03:16.10 | rx700 | http://www.eet.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=FSZ1VIDCSUCSSQSNDBESKHA?articleID=180203263 <-- encouraging |
| 03:19.44 | r2d2 | hmm, so picking up cf->ide apadpters now leaves me looking for cheap CF cards |
| 03:20.49 | JoseJX | If you find a source of cheap 256MB cards, let me know. :) |
| 03:21.49 | rx700 | try www.surpluscomputers.com |
| 03:21.52 | rx700 | I dunno about 256 |
| 03:23.59 | JoseJX | 256 for $16, not bad, thanks. :) |
| 03:24.59 | rx700 | oh |
| 03:25.00 | rx700 | cool |
| 03:25.13 | ohsix | amccs doc cd is nice |
| 04:02.08 | agaffney | r2d2: newegg has 512MB for $25 |
| 04:05.53 | agaffney | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820178042 |
| 04:05.55 | agaffney | $24 even |
| 04:06.31 | agaffney | wait, that's not even CF :P |
| 04:06.53 | agaffney | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820214110 |
| 04:06.56 | agaffney | $24.51 |
| 04:07.15 | agaffney | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820161202 |
| 04:07.16 | agaffney | $25.88 |
| 04:07.33 | agaffney | that one has a lifetime manufacturer warranty |
| 04:14.55 | agaffney | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820160013 |
| 04:15.04 | agaffney | $26.99 for 512MB Kingston |
| 04:15.13 | agaffney | I may pay the few extra dollars just for the name brand |
| 04:15.50 | agaffney | well, I guess Crucial is a name brand as well :) |
| 04:18.04 | jbevren | hehe |
| 04:22.53 | agaffney | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820134020 |
| 04:22.59 | agaffney | Kingston 1GB for $42 |
| 04:23.05 | agaffney | $7 rebate also |
| 04:23.11 | agaffney | but I tend to ignore the rebates |
| 04:23.21 | agaffney | more trouble than they're worth |
| 04:23.37 | jbevren | yeah I dont play the rebate-and-hope game |
| 04:23.56 | jbevren | man |
| 04:24.04 | jbevren | I remember why I like this j5600 |
| 04:24.09 | jbevren | it just plain sounds cool |
| 04:24.18 | agaffney | the j5600 is just the big brother of the C3600, right? |
| 04:24.21 | jbevren | yeah |
| 04:24.22 | agaffney | same thing with 2 procs? |
| 04:24.28 | jbevren | yeah, and in a doublewide |
| 04:24.35 | jbevren | dual 8600/552 |
| 04:24.37 | jbevren | mine has 2G ram |
| 04:24.40 | agaffney | the C3600 is wide enough :P |
| 04:24.48 | agaffney | I think mine is ~450MHz and 1GB |
| 04:24.49 | jbevren | yeah this thing's a beast |
| 04:24.55 | agaffney | I haven't turned it on in many months |
| 04:24.58 | jbevren | it technically requires a special power cord heh |
| 04:25.11 | jbevren | but thats nothing a dremel tool cant fix |
| 04:25.13 | jbevren | (I cut a notch in one of mine) |
| 04:25.24 | agaffney | heh |
| 04:25.29 | jbevren | since it has a 1250w psu, they like you to have a heavier cord on it |
| 04:25.47 | jbevren | I just really wish I could find a graphics card that has 2d accel :( |
| 04:25.48 | jbevren | hehe |
| 04:25.49 | jbevren | or two :D |
| 04:26.02 | agaffney | I think mine has a 850w PSU or something silly like that |
| 04:26.07 | jbevren | nod |
| 04:26.26 | jbevren | mine also has a dec tulip in one of the pci slots |
| 04:26.28 | jbevren | crazy as that is |
| 04:26.39 | agaffney | isn't the built-in a tulip? |
| 04:27.06 | jbevren | yeah |
| 04:27.09 | jbevren | so this has two NICs |
| 04:27.13 | agaffney | heh |
| 04:27.28 | agaffney | I just wish the thing would actually power off |
| 04:27.33 | agaffney | I have to keep it unplugged |
| 04:27.38 | jbevren | one on bus 2, one on bus 0 |
| 04:27.44 | jbevren | yours doesnt turn off? |
| 04:27.46 | agaffney | when you shut it down and hit the power button, it's only "off" |
| 04:27.50 | jbevren | mine goes to standby with no problem |
| 04:27.55 | agaffney | the LCD display on front stays lit |
| 04:27.57 | jbevren | just like any atx system |
| 04:27.59 | jbevren | Ohhh |
| 04:28.09 | jbevren | the backlight on my lcd turns off, but the last message stays on |
| 04:28.13 | agaffney | right |
| 04:28.17 | agaffney | that bugs me |
| 04:28.22 | jbevren | so the last part of my rc.0 echos 'System offline' into /proc/lcd heh |
| 04:28.41 | agaffney | I wrote a fun program to scroll a message across the LCD |
| 04:29.01 | jbevren | gentoo has an initscript patch that prints services on the lcd as they start |
| 04:29.22 | agaffney | heh |
| 04:29.27 | agaffney | haven't seen that one |
| 04:29.31 | agaffney | which surprises me |
| 04:29.37 | agaffney | since I hang out in #gentoo-hppa |
| 04:29.42 | jbevren | funny |
| 04:29.52 | jbevren | Im surprised we didnt run into each other about a year ago when I got this one :) |
| 04:30.00 | jbevren | I'd run linux on a 725/50 and 735/100 |
| 04:30.04 | agaffney | maybe we did |
| 04:30.09 | jbevren | osaka (the /50) still has linux on it |
| 04:30.11 | agaffney | I idle in there most of the time |
| 04:30.13 | jbevren | ahh |
| 04:30.17 | agaffney | don't pay too much attention |
| 04:30.27 | agaffney | help out clueness n00bs every once in a while |
| 04:30.33 | jbevren | nod |
| 04:30.37 | jbevren | hmm |
| 04:30.43 | jbevren | if only I didnt have a FXe card :( |
| 04:30.44 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:33.16 | jbevren | I like the calm industrial whir |
| 04:33.28 | jbevren | it doesnt sound like some PC on the verge of bursting into flame heh |
| 04:33.28 | agaffney | heh |
| 04:33.41 | agaffney | mine is sitting right next to me |
| 04:34.01 | jbevren | Mine's on the floor, I pulled it out to try the ppc's settings for the mga driver |
| 04:34.12 | jbevren | alas, I go through a HPMC as the xf86 mga driver loads |
| 04:34.23 | agaffney | wedged between my 4' folding table with my workstation and the pie-rack shelving with my Octane and old installer text box |
| 04:34.52 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:35.13 | agaffney | I've got a Netra t1125 that my feet are resting on :P |
| 04:35.19 | agaffney | an E250 behind me |
| 04:35.29 | agaffney | a 333MHz imac on the pie rack |
| 04:36.01 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:36.08 | jbevren | I used to use a sparcstation 1+ for a stepping stool |
| 04:36.16 | agaffney | haha |
| 04:36.25 | agaffney | my SS20 was a spaceheater for a while |
| 04:36.45 | jbevren | oh |
| 04:36.52 | agaffney | my netra is my mailserver and fileserver |
| 04:36.55 | jbevren | thats where my o200 and its 18-drive array came in |
| 04:37.02 | agaffney | it's just conveniently placed for my feet to rest on :) |
| 04:37.37 | agaffney | I'm trying to sell the E250 to silverpower |
| 04:37.40 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/o200/array.jpg |
| 04:37.43 | agaffney | if he'll ever get the money to me |
| 04:37.51 | jbevren | the o200 is two nodes linked |
| 04:38.00 | jbevren | aggregate 4x 270mhz r12k, 1G ram |
| 04:38.05 | agaffney | that's sick |
| 04:38.17 | jbevren | one SanNET bridge controller and 18 drives totalling 60G storage |
| 04:38.36 | jbevren | I kept hte house at like 60 |
| 04:38.40 | agaffney | I haven't even powered on my Octane in a few months |
| 04:38.40 | jbevren | my room was always 80 |
| 04:38.41 | jbevren | lol |
| 04:38.43 | agaffney | heh |
| 04:38.49 | agaffney | I know all about that :) |
| 04:39.05 | agaffney | I need to find a decent dual-proc G4 tower |
| 04:39.10 | jbevren | the SanNET raid boxes are the best tho |
| 04:39.16 | jbevren | get a quicksilver mac hehe |
| 04:39.21 | agaffney | although, it'd be silly to get one if there's a chance I could get a OSW |
| 04:39.38 | agaffney | I need a decent ppc box for gentoo installer development |
| 04:39.49 | jbevren | I see |
| 04:39.55 | jbevren | rs6000 |
| 04:39.58 | agaffney | this 333MHz imac just won't cut it |
| 04:40.01 | agaffney | especially with 64MB |
| 04:40.04 | agaffney | RAM |
| 04:40.10 | agaffney | and the crappy SO-DIMMs |
| 04:40.13 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/o200/bilkis-serveraids.jpg <- that is sick. |
| 04:40.21 | jbevren | but at the time, pci was broken on IP27 linux |
| 04:40.24 | jbevren | so they didnt work |
| 04:40.32 | agaffney | heh |
| 04:40.40 | jbevren | I'm told pci is more than half-working |
| 04:40.50 | jbevren | working enough that you can use an octane pci cage now |
| 04:40.58 | agaffney | stop by #gentoo-mips sometime |
| 04:41.01 | jbevren | and given octane and origin have the same IO architecture.. :) |
| 04:41.03 | agaffney | I hang out there too :) |
| 04:41.07 | jbevren | I used to be there all the time |
| 04:41.09 | agaffney | ah |
| 04:41.16 | jbevren | geoman convinced me to get the 4-cpu O200 setup |
| 04:41.21 | agaffney | they're pretty knowledgable |
| 04:41.27 | jbevren | and then talked me into buying an o2000 |
| 04:41.38 | agaffney | and if you can put up with ciaranm, you learn a lot :) |
| 04:41.43 | jbevren | the o2k patiently awaits use in my garage :( |
| 04:41.52 | jbevren | yeah, ciaranm isnt bad |
| 04:41.59 | jbevren | I still chat with skylark over privmsg from time to time |
| 04:42.16 | agaffney | meh, I deal with ciaranm in many different channels |
| 04:42.25 | jbevren | I was the first person to use raid0 md autorun on root with ip27 linux :) |
| 04:42.30 | agaffney | he gives me crap all the time because the gentoo installer is written in python and not ash |
| 04:42.38 | agaffney | and because I use libparted |
| 04:42.45 | jbevren | 'installer'? |
| 04:42.56 | agaffney | http://gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/installer/ |
| 04:43.01 | agaffney | http://gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/installer/screenshots/ |
| 04:43.03 | jbevren | my only experiences with gentoo consist of using a stage1 or stage3 tarball, cp, editing files, and going from there :) |
| 04:43.15 | jbevren | I stage3'd this HP |
| 04:43.19 | agaffney | I'm the lead installer dev |
| 04:43.22 | agaffney | but I'd never use it myself :P |
| 04:43.23 | jbevren | put up with gentoo's assumptions about hardware for about 2 days |
| 04:43.47 | jbevren | then I netbooted d-i and installed debian |
| 04:43.56 | jbevren | I enjoy gentoo on the o200 though |
| 04:44.09 | jbevren | I'd love to see the o2k crunch a parallel ebuild :) |
| 04:44.49 | agaffney | iluxa has some sort of 16-way box that they use for mips release building |
| 04:44.53 | jbevren | Iluxa did many a crunch |
| 04:44.54 | jbevren | yeah |
| 04:44.57 | jbevren | he has the same config I do |
| 04:44.59 | agaffney | ah |
| 04:45.03 | jbevren | but with less ram, more drives, |
| 04:45.10 | jbevren | and he doesnt ahve two offlined cpu's |
| 04:45.18 | agaffney | it apparently sucks enough power to power a small town |
| 04:45.38 | jbevren | datacenter prep guide says 1900w nominal |
| 04:45.48 | jbevren | hardware specs say somewhere around 5500 max |
| 04:46.05 | jbevren | one tower is at least a half ton of a/c load |
| 04:46.19 | agaffney | insane |
| 04:46.28 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/o2k/DSCN1592.JPG |
| 04:46.29 | jbevren | thats not me |
| 04:46.32 | jbevren | but it's my o2k |
| 04:46.46 | jbevren | that's my friend, who admired SGI hardware and wanted to be in a picture with it heh |
| 04:46.52 | agaffney | that's a big fscking machine |
| 04:47.00 | jbevren | 6 feet tall (he's short) |
| 04:47.06 | jbevren | it's a standard 19" rack |
| 04:47.13 | agaffney | my wife would rip off my balls if I brought something like that home |
| 04:47.14 | jbevren | note the anacondas hanging behind him :) |
| 04:47.24 | jbevren | those are memory interconnect (xtown calbes) |
| 04:47.37 | jbevren | I run the top and bottom modules linked like iluxa does |
| 04:47.41 | agaffney | it's my bed time |
| 04:47.48 | agaffney | I meant to go to bed ~1.5 hours ago |
| 04:47.51 | jbevren | with the four interconnects, I get around 8GByte/sec bandwidth between modules |
| 04:47.56 | agaffney | nice |
| 04:48.05 | agaffney | 'night |
| 04:48.09 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:48.10 | jbevren | night |
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| 14:20.50 | prpplague | GPSFan: hey hey |
| 14:21.01 | prpplague | GPSFan: still waiting on my new pixter |
| 14:21.40 | prpplague | GPSFan: as soon as i find out the details i'll have them posted on the wiki |
| 14:23.08 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:24.30 | GPSFan | prpplague: any clues yet? |
| 14:24.58 | prpplague | GPSFan: the pixter color was based on the LH75410 from sharp |
| 14:25.07 | prpplague | GPSFan: no clue what so ever in the news |
| 14:25.35 | prpplague | GPSFan: but fisher-price signed a 10 year deal with sharp for the next gen of their electronic products |
| 14:25.47 | prpplague | GPSFan: so i would be amazed if it wasn't based on a sharp processor |
| 14:27.05 | prpplague | GPSFan: i suspect if its hackable it will be interesting |
| 14:27.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: as they are fairly cheap on ebay and such |
| 14:27.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: most are going for around $30.00 |
| 14:27.41 | prpplague | GPSFan: the pixter color makes a nice embedded platform |
| 14:27.54 | prpplague | GPSFan: just too small for a larger OS |
| 14:28.18 | prpplague | GPSFan: i was able to boot CPM on it but it was ugly |
| 14:28.52 | prpplague | GPSFan: i still dream of doing some super small kernel for the arm7tdmi |
| 14:29.38 | prpplague | GPSFan: but i suspect by the time i get something done, the arm777tdmi will be the current model |
| 14:29.41 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.43 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:29.51 | prpplague | yea, i've been working on that |
| 14:29.57 | jbevren | nod |
| 14:29.59 | jbevren | sounds interesting |
| 14:30.07 | prpplague | still haven't worked out all the details of the memory mapping though |
| 14:30.19 | prpplague | been trying to look at the uclinux kernel for understanding |
| 14:30.29 | prpplague | but i have too many projects in the fire at the momment |
| 14:30.47 | jbevren | heh |
| 14:30.48 | jbevren | well |
| 14:30.52 | jbevren | does it have to be a multitasker? |
| 14:31.26 | prpplague | jbevren: well i would like it to psuedo multitasking |
| 14:31.41 | prpplague | jbevren: and to do that you need some mechanism for doing memory mapping |
| 14:31.51 | jbevren | nod |
| 14:31.58 | jbevren | so you want to taskswitch at least ;-) |
| 14:32.00 | jbevren | I see |
| 14:40.44 | prpplague | i suspect that the new pixter multimedia is still based on the LH754xx series |
| 14:40.54 | prpplague | and that it has more ram and flash than before |
| 14:41.10 | prpplague | probably 2mb ram and probably 1 or 2 mb flash |
| 14:41.23 | prpplague | problem is that usually the flash is a COB package |
| 14:41.45 | jbevren | so you have to jtag in a reflash application? |
| 14:42.13 | prpplague | jbevren: yea assuming that the flash is not readonly |
| 14:42.44 | prpplague | jbevren: 3 of 4 pixter colors i have were program once flash |
| 14:43.59 | prpplague | jbevren: the pixter i/o slot is much more featureful than the juicebox |
| 14:44.09 | prpplague | jbevren: the pixter has full address and data lines |
| 14:44.19 | jbevren | ah |
| 14:44.20 | prpplague | jbevren: as well as rs-232 and gpio |
| 14:44.27 | jbevren | so instead of a nand flash bus, it has a localbus? |
| 14:44.29 | prpplague | jbevren: chip selections as well |
| 14:44.42 | prpplague | jbevren: yea |
| 14:44.50 | jbevren | hm |
| 14:44.55 | jbevren | where's the mm being sold? |
| 14:45.01 | jbevren | I might be going north this evening |
| 14:45.03 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:45.09 | prpplague | just about everywhere |
| 14:45.20 | jbevren | I cant get one in town, but I figure at least -one- store in a 3 hour drive would have one :) |
| 14:45.21 | prpplague | target, kmart, walmart, toys-r-expensive |
| 14:45.43 | prpplague | jbevren: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/PixterExpansionSlot |
| 14:45.48 | prpplague | jbevren: thats for the pixter color |
| 14:46.03 | jbevren | does it happily boot whatever you stick in it? heh |
| 14:46.14 | prpplague | jbevren: which from the press release says that the pixter-mm runs the old software so the i/o must be the same |
| 14:46.23 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe no not yet |
| 14:46.35 | prpplague | jbevren: i've not finished reverse engineering their bootloader |
| 14:50.18 | jbevren | if it runs old software, its either got one heck of a cpu, or its arm :) |
| 14:51.06 | jbevren | interesting note about the power control heh |
| 14:51.56 | prpplague | jbevren: yea too me forever to figure that out |
| 14:52.32 | prpplague | jbevren: really all the work i did on the pixter is what enabled me to figure out the juicebox |
| 14:53.20 | jbevren | heh |
| 14:53.28 | jbevren | the jb looks easy to hack actually |
| 14:54.21 | prpplague | it wasn't |
| 14:54.30 | prpplague | there were alot of problems |
| 14:55.05 | prpplague | jbevren: they did a horrible job with the Juicebox on the design |
| 14:55.15 | prpplague | jbevren: whihc made it even worse to reverse engineer |
| 14:55.21 | prpplague | jbevren: because none of it made sense |
| 14:57.32 | jbevren | yeah, but I figured the ring of pads around the cpu would be helpful? |
| 14:57.52 | prpplague | jbevren: i.e. pretend you were a trying to intercept an encoded message between a german general and the high command |
| 14:57.52 | prpplague | jbevren: you have to decode it and figure out what it says |
| 14:57.53 | prpplague | jbevren: the problem is made difficult if the general has tons of gramatical errors and spelling mistakes in his message |
| 14:57.56 | prpplague | jbevren: see my point? |
| 14:57.59 | jbevren | or are those not connected in a sensible manner :) |
| 14:58.18 | prpplague | jbevren: strictly for identify the lines |
| 14:58.28 | jbevren | I see |
| 14:58.34 | prpplague | jbevren: but you have the same for most devices that are not bga packages |
| 15:00.51 | jbevren | too true |
| 15:01.01 | prpplague | jbevren: the main thing that makes the pixter better is the fact that it has a full address/data bus |
| 15:01.10 | jbevren | nod |
| 15:01.12 | prpplague | jbevren: which means you can add a whole host of devices |
| 15:01.14 | jbevren | I just got my jb cause it was $5 hehe |
| 15:01.24 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 15:01.39 | jbevren | the lid wouldnt stay on either, but I found the hinge pin floating inside |
| 15:01.42 | jbevren | so its all good now :) |
| 15:01.46 | prpplague | jbevren: i wouldn't trade my experiences with the jb for any price |
| 15:02.28 | jbevren | hm I also need to build a wiggler, since nothing apparently supports my xilinx cable |
| 15:02.28 | prpplague | jbevren: imho, the jb should be used in most colleges and university computer classes |
| 15:02.31 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.49 | jbevren | heh |
| 15:02.58 | jbevren | I caught myself pondering using one as an appliance controller |
| 15:06.07 | prpplague | the new pixter looks better imho |
| 15:08.58 | prpplague | jbevren: the first two pixters weren't arm based |
| 15:09.16 | prpplague | jbevren: they were 8-bit |
| 15:09.18 | jbevren | ahh |
| 15:09.26 | jbevren | 6027609458 <- this is the one? |
| 15:09.35 | prpplague | jbevren: the pixter color and and pixter come with an adapter to play those games |
| 15:10.08 | prpplague | yep |
| 15:10.12 | jbevren | hah |
| 15:10.28 | jbevren | I looked at one over christmas |
| 15:10.32 | jbevren | pondered getting it hehe |
| 15:10.40 | jbevren | I knew about the pixter section in the wiki |
| 15:10.46 | jbevren | so which one does the wiki cover? |
| 15:11.51 | prpplague | jbevren: currently the wiki is for the pixter color |
| 15:11.56 | jbevren | ohh |
| 15:12.20 | prpplague | jbevren: thats why i'm waiting on the new pixter |
| 15:12.28 | prpplague | jbevren: so i can get started hacking it |
| 15:16.43 | jbevren | ah |
| 15:16.52 | jbevren | the disadvantage of being on a glorious tropical island |
| 15:16.53 | jbevren | lol |
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| 16:07.23 | prpplague | brb |
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| 16:09.07 | jbevren | that was fast |
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| 16:34.33 | rx700 | http://www.sharpsma.com/part.php?PartID=171 |
| 16:35.06 | rx700 | you are going to make my kids starve tricking me into buying all these gagets |
| 16:35.30 | rx700 | nice engine though for toys |
| 16:35.40 | rx700 | probably better than the samsung one in the JB |
| 16:35.41 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:35.44 | jbevren | buy them for em |
| 16:35.51 | jbevren | and then teach them to make their own software |
| 16:36.18 | rx700 | na I don't have any kids, just trying to make you feel bad :P |
| 16:36.22 | agaffney | heh |
| 16:36.28 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:36.37 | agaffney | that page is loading *extremely* slow for me |
| 16:36.41 | rx700 | ooo |
| 16:36.43 | rx700 | 84mhz |
| 16:36.57 | rx700 | defintely got the samsung cpu in the jb beat |
| 16:37.00 | prpplague | sharps pages such |
| 16:37.14 | rx700 | prpplague hey as long as their products don't ;) |
| 16:37.29 | prpplague | rx700: yea well there is some debate about that hehe |
| 16:37.39 | prpplague | rx700: their processors are pretty good |
| 16:37.46 | rx700 | so is a b/w pixture worth any hack value ? |
| 16:37.50 | prpplague | rx700: just they tend to leave things out of the docs |
| 16:37.54 | rx700 | ah I see |
| 16:38.12 | prpplague | rx700: naw the b/w pixter is an 8-bit unit |
| 16:38.34 | rx700 | yeah I know but does it have 8 bit hack value or too non standard |
| 16:38.56 | rx700 | I mean could we turn one into a serial lcd console etc? |
| 16:39.36 | prpplague | rx700: probably could but.... at what cost |
| 16:39.41 | rx700 | oh good the sharp cpu is ROHS compliant |
| 16:39.44 | prpplague | rx700: cost time wise |
| 16:39.52 | rx700 | prpplague well only if they get down to $5 in the bargin bin |
| 16:39.56 | rx700 | I was thinking about ;P |
| 16:40.31 | prpplague | rx700: most of the older pixters have COB processors |
| 16:40.38 | rx700 | oh ick |
| 16:40.41 | rx700 | no via's ? |
| 16:40.48 | prpplague | rx700: so you would have a ton of work to do in finding out what it is |
| 16:40.52 | rx700 | ah yeah |
| 16:40.56 | rx700 | nm then |
| 16:41.10 | rx700 | I thought you already knew what it was :P |
| 16:41.29 | rx700 | I wonder how many yrs arm will get out of the arm7dmi |
| 16:41.40 | rx700 | wonder if it will go as long as m68k did :P |
| 16:41.56 | jbevren | rx: did? |
| 16:42.00 | jbevren | dragonball is still in common use :) |
| 16:42.07 | rx700 | na dude they discontinued it yrs ago |
| 16:42.12 | rx700 | the only one they still make is coldfire |
| 16:42.20 | jbevren | coldfire's m68k isnt it? :) |
| 16:42.25 | rx700 | no |
| 16:42.34 | rx700 | it's a risc chip with m68k emulation |
| 16:42.34 | jbevren | freescale is the ppc line |
| 16:42.39 | jbevren | then its m68k :P |
| 16:42.41 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:42.41 | rx700 | all the m68k lines are dead |
| 16:42.45 | jbevren | theyre still making dough off the arch |
| 16:42.46 | rx700 | except coldfire |
| 16:43.17 | rx700 | well yeah it's still good for a lot of stupid stuff |
| 16:43.23 | rx700 | but freescale pulled the plug |
| 16:43.29 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:43.56 | rx700 | I dunno how they are doing since they split from motorola |
| 16:43.58 | rx700 | better or worse |
| 16:44.18 | rx700 | btw that hack-a-day site is pretty cool |
| 16:44.31 | prpplague | yea, i like that site |
| 16:44.37 | prpplague | i usually visit it every day |
| 16:44.51 | jbevren | what's the url? I know the site youre talking about but cant remember heh |
| 16:44.57 | prpplague | hackaday.com |
| 16:45.36 | rx700 | HAHHAHA |
| 16:45.37 | rx700 | MC34063 |
| 16:45.41 | rx700 | in the pixter |
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| 16:45.54 | rx700 | that's like the vm bug of smps controllers |
| 16:46.00 | rx700 | vw I mean |
| 16:46.15 | rx700 | I see those in those cell phone cigarette lighter adaptors all the time |
| 16:46.23 | prpplague | rx700: oh where did you see that? |
| 16:46.28 | rx700 | on your page |
| 16:46.38 | rx700 | the pix wiki thing |
| 16:46.41 | prpplague | oh you mean for the power |
| 16:46.44 | prpplague | sorry out of it |
| 16:46.55 | rx700 | np I am not having a good day mentally either |
| 16:47.03 | rx700 | that chips seems to be damn popular |
| 16:47.12 | prpplague | rx700: for a sec i thought you were telling me that was the processor type in the pixter b/w |
| 16:47.13 | rx700 | as popular as the tl494/ka7500 in pc psu's |
| 16:47.48 | rx700 | wow only 256kb flash |
| 16:48.11 | rx700 | oh that's the cart |
| 16:48.15 | rx700 | whoa |
| 16:48.18 | rx700 | the carts have flash? |
| 16:48.54 | rx700 | btw if you have a bunch of dead or usless cell phones |
| 16:48.59 | rx700 | save the cigarette lighter plugs |
| 16:49.07 | rx700 | those little smps circuits are damn handy |
| 16:49.26 | rx700 | I got one wired to a juicebox for mp3 playback |
| 16:49.41 | prpplague | rx700: actually thats 256k x 16 which would be 512k bytes |
| 16:49.57 | rx700 | yeah I still don't get that |
| 16:50.05 | rx700 | how can it be one value at x8 and one at x16 |
| 16:50.11 | rx700 | does it just pad it with 0's or something? |
| 16:50.21 | rx700 | doesn't 8 bites always = 1 byte |
| 16:50.51 | prpplague | 256k x 16 doesn't mean 256kbytes x 16 |
| 16:50.59 | rx700 | ah |
| 16:51.03 | prpplague | k just means thousands |
| 16:51.29 | rx700 | thank you very much |
| 16:51.35 | prpplague | doh and i actually typed it wrong |
| 16:51.40 | prpplague | that 512k bits |
| 16:52.32 | prpplague | crap |
| 16:52.36 | rx700 | I see the light |
| 16:52.36 | rx700 | thx |
| 16:52.38 | prpplague | see now you have me confused |
| 16:52.46 | prpplague | the chip is 4megabits |
| 16:52.57 | rx700 | you multiply it out and divide by 8, I got it :P |
| 16:53.27 | rx700 | go back to hacking, don't worry about it |
| 16:53.32 | rx700 | you cleared it up for me :) |
| 16:53.37 | prpplague | if you are using it with a 16 bit bus it produces 256k |
| 16:53.47 | prpplague | which is subdivied |
| 16:53.55 | prpplague | for a total of 512k bytes |
| 16:54.27 | rx700 | so it's kinda like "blocks" |
| 16:54.37 | rx700 | but the total capacity is always the same |
| 16:54.58 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:55.18 | prpplague | total capacity in bits divided by 8 produces the actual bytes storage |
| 16:55.55 | rx700 | man flash is just so damn useful |
| 16:56.05 | prpplague | rx700: yep, just alot of different formats |
| 16:56.18 | rx700 | oh I know |
| 16:56.35 | rx700 | just saying it sure beats mask, or uveprom |
| 16:56.52 | rx700 | I think OTP has pretty much killed off mask but I guess a few things still use it |
| 16:56.54 | prpplague | oh hehe yea |
| 16:57.00 | rx700 | I still can't see it being cost effective |
| 16:57.05 | rx700 | even for game carts, mask that is |
| 16:57.43 | prpplague | yea i'm hope'n that the pixter-mm has more ram and flash |
| 16:57.54 | rx700 | i would think it has to |
| 16:58.22 | prpplague | but i suspect that if they are still using the lh75411 , then they are probably using a max of 1 or 2 mb ram |
| 16:58.28 | rx700 | oh what's the average amount of write cycles you get out of flash |
| 16:58.42 | rx700 | some guy was telling me the other night 1 million isn't guaranteed |
| 16:58.48 | rx700 | and I have seen docs claiming it is |
| 16:59.13 | rx700 | he was also saying reads wear it out |
| 16:59.15 | rx700 | which I know is bs |
| 16:59.53 | rx700 | ah, sst flash in the pixter, I seen that on so many motherboards for the bios chip over the yrs, although the newer ones use intel a lot |
| 17:00.06 | rx700 | they either always get the low bid or they have really good stuff |
| 17:00.09 | rx700 | I suspect the latter |
| 17:01.13 | rx700 | 10,000 guaranteed cycles in the pixter cart |
| 17:01.15 | rx700 | not too bad |
| 17:01.22 | rx700 | gotta run, see you folks later |
| 17:03.49 | rx700 | quick question, just leave it on the screen, I will check the logs later |
| 17:04.01 | rx700 | when they come out with something like a flash chip |
| 17:04.44 | rx700 | and it has esd protection, so they have to stick shunt diodes in the package or can they implement those in the silicon and does it have to be mov's or shunt diodes in the silicon or is there some other way to protect against a esd spike |
| 17:17.12 | jbevren | hm |
| 17:17.16 | jbevren | that msntv cluster page is cool |
| 17:17.34 | jbevren | I have an HP e-pc, wich is p3/933, 128M, i810 graphics .. for video playback |
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| 17:36.45 | agaffney | mmm...my matrox cards are here |
| 17:36.58 | jbevren | yay heh |
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| 17:59.15 | agaffney | elinux.org is going *really* slow |
| 17:59.50 | jbevren | agaffney: I blame sf.net |
| 18:00.18 | agaffney | I'm maxing out at 8.3K/s |
| 18:00.45 | agaffney | heh |
| 18:00.55 | agaffney | yeah, sf.net does suck donkey balls |
| 18:02.31 | prpplague | yea we are getting ready to move elinux from sf.net |
| 18:03.15 | agaffney | hmm, something's not right |
| 18:03.21 | agaffney | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.21 | agaffney | GUNZIP ERROR - must RESET board to recover |
| 18:03.43 | agaffney | I get that with the 2.6.15.4 kernel image |
| 18:03.56 | prpplague | agaffney: yea that doesn't sound good |
| 18:04.05 | agaffney | it was netbooting fine the other day |
| 18:08.21 | agaffney | => version |
| 18:08.21 | agaffney | U-Boot 1.1.4 (Feb 16 2006 - 17:15:06) |
| 18:08.28 | agaffney | this board upgraded to u-boot just fine as well |
| 18:09.52 | agaffney | still not working |
| 18:09.52 | agaffney | wtf |
| 18:12.06 | dfarnsworth | agaffney, you need to load at a higher address |
| 18:12.15 | dfarnsworth | try 200000 |
| 18:13.03 | jbevren | youre not loading at 400000? |
| 18:14.09 | dfarnsworth | why not 800000 ? :) |
| 18:16.41 | jbevren | its an arbirtary value actually |
| 18:16.53 | jbevren | I found I had to load ramdisk at c00000 cause 800000 was too close to the kernel img :) |
| 18:19.23 | dfarnsworth | yes, it can vary depending on what you need. The inflate error agaffney saw is typically caused when the end of the kernel being uncompressed to 0x0 overlaps the beginning of the compressed kernel. |
| 18:20.00 | jbevren | ah |
| 18:20.09 | jbevren | 4M isnt big enough? ;-) |
| 18:20.48 | dfarnsworth | 2M is more than enough for the kernels I've had (unless an initrd is tacked on) |
| 18:21.08 | jbevren | I load at 4M out of habit |
| 18:22.32 | dfarnsworth | seems reasonable |
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| 18:23.03 | jbevren | thats what the artis a3000 manual suggested in its examples.. heh |
| 18:32.36 | agaffney | 400000 works |
| 18:32.51 | agaffney | I was using 40000 from the examples on the wiki |
| 18:33.23 | dfarnsworth | which examples? |
| 18:33.38 | agaffney | maybe I'm thinking of JoseJX's example |
| 18:33.48 | agaffney | the u-boot upgrade page uses 80000 |
| 18:33.54 | agaffney | and that didn't work for me either |
| 18:33.57 | dfarnsworth | no, 800000 |
| 18:34.11 | agaffney | ahhhh |
| 18:34.14 | agaffney | guess I missed that |
| 18:34.18 | JoseJX | agaffney: No, my example uses 400000 |
| 18:34.23 | agaffney | hmm |
| 18:34.37 | agaffney | maybe I just missed a 0 in my head :P |
| 18:36.42 | agaffney | yipee! |
| 18:38.37 | agaffney | and there's my kernel output |
| 18:41.33 | jbevren | awesome |
| 18:46.42 | agaffney | JoseJX: do you have a tarball of your uclibc+udev nfsroot? |
| 19:15.34 | JoseJX | agaffney: No, but I can make one for you tonight |
| 19:39.11 | agaffney | JoseJX: cool, thanks |
| 19:40.38 | JoseJX | Did you poke SpanKY about new official ones yet? |
| 19:48.17 | agaffney | no |
| 19:48.22 | agaffney | I should |
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| 21:55.16 | jbevren | grumble :) |
| 21:56.26 | agaffney | o_O |
| 21:56.31 | agaffney | why did it do that? |
| 22:07.59 | jbevren | cause I'm not a registered op |
| 22:10.12 | agaffney | silly chanserv |
| 22:12.20 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.21 | jbevren | er.. |
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| 22:33.02 | rx700 | how long does it take to ruin leds with the wrong voltage |
| 22:35.21 | jbevren | depends on how high the voltage is |
| 22:35.30 | jbevren | 120v? about .00005ms |
| 22:57.43 | rx700 | 12 vs 4.5 |
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