| 00:12.49 | rx700 | so any news on the cayman |
| 00:12.54 | rx700 | any i/o found etc |
| 00:37.11 | joe_bleau | Sorry, no news on the Cayman. |
| 00:37.36 | joe_bleau | I build up a register list, but haven't had time to do any configuration analysis |
| 00:37.39 | rx700 | np |
| 00:37.57 | joe_bleau | Maybe this weekend, if work doesn't intrude too much. |
| 00:38.02 | rx700 | think there is any way to make a serial bootloader for the juicebox |
| 00:38.22 | rx700 | just enough rom code to look for something off the serial port |
| 00:38.57 | joe_bleau | prpplague is probably the best to ask |
| 00:39.04 | rx700 | ok |
| 00:39.08 | joe_bleau | As I recall, it'll boot from nand flash |
| 00:39.16 | joe_bleau | In that case, you've got *plenty* of room |
| 00:39.29 | joe_bleau | so booting from serial would certainly be possible |
| 00:39.43 | rx700 | yeah but that adaptor is a pain in the ass |
| 00:39.45 | joe_bleau | I did have thoughts about a jtag booter |
| 00:39.56 | rx700 | prpp kept telling me jtag would be too slow |
| 00:40.03 | joe_bleau | maybe a pic or something that would take over |
| 00:40.10 | joe_bleau | Maybe. Depends. |
| 00:40.18 | rx700 | did you see this ? |
| 00:40.23 | joe_bleau | I'd just load a few hundred bytes, then switch to the serial port |
| 00:40.39 | joe_bleau | But you'd have to implement the jtag protocol in another micor and so on |
| 00:40.51 | rx700 | http://palmorb.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:40.59 | joe_bleau | I never actually got around to nand booting mine |
| 00:41.08 | rx700 | mabye turn this code into a micro os |
| 00:41.08 | joe_bleau | looking now |
| 00:41.19 | rx700 | since the juicebox is i/o limited and stuff |
| 00:41.30 | rx700 | mabye they are best just used as a serial displays |
| 00:41.41 | joe_bleau | Actually, there's a handful of I/O on the expansion slot |
| 00:42.12 | rx700 | but again it's a freaking pain in the ass to build |
| 00:42.22 | rx700 | btw what's the reason we can't boot from a cart again ? |
| 00:42.40 | joe_bleau | what do you mean by cart? |
| 00:43.06 | joe_bleau | They do load and run code from the manufactured carts |
| 00:43.20 | joe_bleau | I don't think you can modify the carts, as they're rom |
| 00:43.20 | rx700 | I mean take a cart and just swap a nor rom where the otp wasa |
| 00:43.47 | joe_bleau | Hmm. I remember looking at the pinouts. |
| 00:43.50 | joe_bleau | Maybe you can? |
| 00:44.08 | rx700 | be cool if I could mod one even just hang a 128KB dip off it |
| 00:44.15 | rx700 | with just a lcd term os |
| 00:44.45 | joe_bleau | You'd have to run a lot of blue wire to put a parallel bus DIP device on there |
| 00:44.47 | rx700 | otherwise I don't see them being worth wild to mess with |
| 00:44.52 | rx700 | blue wire ? |
| 00:44.55 | joe_bleau | It'd be easier to put the xd card on there |
| 00:45.14 | rx700 | what I need is a freaking TSOP breakout ox |
| 00:45.16 | rx700 | box |
| 00:45.21 | rx700 | you could solder down onto TSOP pads |
| 00:45.24 | joe_bleau | There are TSOP sockets |
| 00:45.24 | rx700 | and it would have all the wires out |
| 00:45.41 | rx700 | yeah but they are like $20 each or something |
| 00:45.41 | joe_bleau | Ironwood or ET might have something like that in a device adapter |
| 00:45.49 | joe_bleau | Right, at a minimum. |
| 00:46.03 | joe_bleau | There was some chatter on the bbs about doing a board |
| 00:46.12 | joe_bleau | That's probably the most elegant solution |
| 00:46.20 | joe_bleau | You could have both xD and SD slots |
| 00:46.28 | rx700 | I might just give up and sell them off, I don't have the patience or skills to make the adaptor |
| 00:46.31 | Chocobo | I need a development board. |
| 00:46.42 | rx700 | unless someone comes up with an easier way |
| 00:46.52 | rx700 | mabye using a XD slot or smartmedia SLOT then the adaptor |
| 00:46.59 | joe_bleau | cheap good fast: pick two. |
| 00:47.00 | rx700 | instead of trying to solder all those wires right to a card |
| 00:47.06 | rx700 | bite me |
| 00:47.07 | rx700 | :P |
| 00:47.41 | joe_bleau | solder directly to a SM memory card. |
| 00:47.48 | rx700 | no |
| 00:47.52 | rx700 | I want socket |
| 00:47.58 | joe_bleau | Big gold plated pads. Should be easy enough. |
| 00:48.00 | rx700 | as in I am too shaky and freaking clumsy otherwise |
| 00:48.14 | rx700 | besides how would you program it |
| 00:48.22 | joe_bleau | JTAG |
| 00:48.31 | rx700 | it can program from the socket? |
| 00:48.41 | joe_bleau | or a xd/SM USB adapter that can access the raw sectors from a PC |
| 00:48.53 | rx700 | you might have a idea |
| 00:48.57 | rx700 | what you said earlier |
| 00:49.12 | rx700 | jtag just enough code to tell it to get the rest from serial |
| 00:49.16 | rx700 | could that be scripted ? |
| 00:49.20 | joe_bleau | prpplague was working on a driver hack to allow complete access to the xD cards |
| 00:49.46 | joe_bleau | scripting: depends on the JTAG program, I guess. Probably so. |
| 00:49.53 | rx700 | and what do I need to jtag |
| 00:50.02 | joe_bleau | But then you're tied to the JTAG program at each boot |
| 00:50.08 | rx700 | besides 5 wires and a max3232 for the serial port |
| 00:50.22 | rx700 | yes but on something the juicebox is being used as a dumb graphical serial term |
| 00:50.23 | rx700 | who cares |
| 00:51.04 | joe_bleau | http://elinux.org/wiki/JuiceBoxJTAG |
| 00:51.04 | rx700 | oh wow |
| 00:51.10 | rx700 | the SD hack looks easy even for me |
| 00:51.14 | rx700 | I mean SM |
| 00:51.47 | joe_bleau | The other option is to remove the rom chip and replace it with flash. |
| 00:52.00 | joe_bleau | Obviously, this only works on the non-COB units |
| 00:52.13 | rx700 | yes but all mine are non-cob |
| 00:52.17 | rx700 | classic 8 meggers |
| 00:52.28 | rx700 | although a hack for the cob would be nice |
| 00:52.34 | rx700 | cause when they get down to $5 or so |
| 00:52.37 | joe_bleau | You'd need to program the flash before soldering, or have JTAG to program in circuit |
| 00:52.37 | rx700 | might pickup some |
| 00:52.45 | rx700 | what do I need to jtag though |
| 00:52.52 | rx700 | do I need some kinda jtag module ? |
| 00:52.58 | joe_bleau | Yep |
| 00:53.07 | rx700 | probably just as painful as the cart hack |
| 00:53.07 | rx700 | :/ |
| 00:53.15 | rx700 | mabye I better stick to sbc's and stuff |
| 00:53.18 | joe_bleau | http://elinux.org/wiki/JTAG |
| 00:53.49 | joe_bleau | Don't take this the wrong way, I don't want to sound mean or small |
| 00:53.53 | joe_bleau | But what do you have to lose? |
| 00:54.12 | joe_bleau | The JB is a $5 toy. If you screw it up attempting to place a JTAG |
| 00:54.13 | joe_bleau | module on it, so what? |
| 00:54.21 | rx700 | na I can handle 7 wires |
| 00:54.21 | joe_bleau | Maybe you learned something and that's not a bad thing. |
| 00:54.24 | rx700 | :P |
| 00:54.36 | rx700 | dude I hate when I trash a 20 cent transistor |
| 00:54.42 | rx700 | it's just a stupid phobia in my brain |
| 00:54.53 | rx700 | http://hri.sourceforge.net/tools/ |
| 00:54.56 | rx700 | HAHBWHAHABA HWQABWHHBHBAhba |
| 00:55.01 | rx700 | Tell me I am missing something |
| 00:55.08 | rx700 | that's too good to be true |
| 00:55.10 | joe_bleau | There was another guy that used to hang out here with the same concerns |
| 00:55.28 | joe_bleau | At some point, you just need to tell yourself: "Hey, if I scew it up, I can fix it." |
| 00:55.54 | joe_bleau | Think it through, take notes, and make the mods. |
| 00:55.56 | rx700 | not if you melt it |
| 00:55.57 | rx700 | :P |
| 00:56.12 | rx700 | wish I had a damn max3232 lying around the house |
| 00:58.27 | rx700 | hmm that page doesn't explain well |
| 01:01.07 | rx700 | man shame it cost so much |
| 01:01.07 | rx700 | http://hri.sourceforge.net/tools/ |
| 01:01.11 | rx700 | err wrong link |
| 01:01.23 | rx700 | http://www.sparkfun.com/shop/index.php?shop=1&cart=578312&cat=1&itemid=498& |
| 01:05.22 | joe_bleau | If you don't want to build an arm jtag unit, these are only $20: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=275 |
| 01:06.47 | rx700 | but that pretty much invalidates the cost value |
| 01:06.49 | rx700 | hmm |
| 01:08.00 | rx700 | looks like smartmedia to a jb mmc adaptor is best bet |
| 01:08.07 | rx700 | wonder if you can do SM to JB cart |
| 01:08.21 | rx700 | since I can get JB carts for $1 |
| 01:11.19 | joe_bleau | But the $20 jtag adapter is a tool that you can use over and over again on other hacking projects |
| 01:11.57 | rx700 | oh I know |
| 01:12.17 | rx700 | I am just saying looks like the idea of a jtag loader being the easier off the shelf jb to serial lcd mod is dead |
| 01:13.42 | joe_bleau | Easiest way to have the JB boot your own stuff would probably be to pay someone to design the xD adapter |
| 01:13.53 | joe_bleau | Program the xD card from a pc |
| 01:14.06 | joe_bleau | insert into unmodified, non-serial, non-jtag JB |
| 01:14.12 | joe_bleau | and you're golden |
| 01:14.20 | joe_bleau | But that costs money |
| 01:14.37 | rx700 | yeah I think I will stick to easier devices to hack and sell off the rest of these jb's |
| 01:14.59 | joe_bleau | Maybe you could trade for someone to do the board? |
| 01:15.09 | joe_bleau | The interest is there, apparently |
| 01:15.26 | rx700 | na man it's just not worth it |
| 01:15.41 | rx700 | i'll find something easier to turn into serial graphical lcd's |
| 01:16.35 | joe_bleau | Rob the JB display and drive it from a dev board? |
| 01:16.55 | rx700 | yeah if they are easy to hack |
| 01:17.16 | rx700 | have we even found out wtf they are ? |
| 01:17.26 | joe_bleau | does it matter? |
| 01:17.37 | joe_bleau | You can reverse the pinout based on how it's connected to the JB cpu |
| 01:17.41 | rx700 | uhh yes if we want to get program info etc |
| 01:17.44 | joe_bleau | You can deduce the timing from the register |
| 01:17.51 | rx700 | I ain't that good bro |
| 01:18.05 | joe_bleau | I put config dumps on the Wiki, download the CPU docs, and there you go: all secrets revealed |
| 01:18.48 | rx700 | I think it's just time to admit I ain't cut out for low level electronics |
| 01:19.43 | rx700 | heh |
| 01:19.53 | rx700 | what's the word on hacking a video card to the ppc board |
| 01:21.13 | rx700 | cause I got a good idea all of a sudden :P |
| 01:21.41 | rx700 | bbl |
| 01:30.38 | agaffney | rx700: I've got a matrox card on my walnut board |
| 01:37.14 | rx700 | does that have a vesa feature connector |
| 01:38.14 | rx700 | hmm |
| 01:38.26 | rx700 | looks like the guys on www.lcdinfo.com are taking cracks at the juicebox lcd |
| 01:40.31 | rx700 | joe you might be onto something |
| 01:40.47 | rx700 | it probably would be way easier to rip the lcd and tap it to something else |
| 01:40.49 | rx700 | than mod the jb |
| 01:42.39 | agaffney | what connector? |
| 01:42.39 | rx700 | why do all the connectors have to be so freaking small |
| 01:42.43 | rx700 | the lcd connector |
| 01:44.40 | rx700 | if someone confirms a hack to attach right to the lcd I might just sell off these 8 meg units and gets junky 2 meg units for lcd's |
| 01:44.57 | agaffney | I wonder if the displays from any of those could be useful |
| 01:45.07 | rx700 | www.lcdinfo.com |
| 01:45.16 | agaffney | yeah, I'm looking there now |
| 01:45.20 | rx700 | I see tons of lcd's from cell phone hacks there |
| 01:45.23 | agaffney | which is where I got the idea |
| 01:46.06 | f1shhead | smaller lcd's are just digital i/o right ? |
| 01:46.13 | agaffney | no idea |
| 01:46.17 | agaffney | I'm new to all this |
| 01:46.34 | f1shhead | hmm |
| 01:47.10 | f1shhead | I think I could handle making that jtag interface but the schematic isn't very clear |
| 01:47.18 | f1shhead | what voltage, what transistor model, etc |
| 01:48.08 | f1shhead | 22 pin blade connector on the lcd |
| 01:48.31 | f1shhead | yeah I have some cell phones too i wanted to hack into terminals but I don't know how to hack sim cards or just make the phone work without |
| 01:48.45 | f1shhead | without using the cell phone function side |
| 01:49.28 | f1shhead | all I know is I am going to start selling off anything I don't think i can handle |
| 01:49.34 | f1shhead | sick of storing and tripping over all this shit |
| 01:49.40 | f1shhead | might trade stuff off too |
| 01:49.51 | f1shhead | giving someone 2 jb's to make me some jtaggers or something |
| 01:50.13 | f1shhead | I am so easily frustrated |
| 01:51.49 | f1shhead | ah screw me |
| 01:51.51 | f1shhead | I burned it |
| 01:51.56 | f1shhead | I knew it |
| 01:52.11 | f1shhead | trashed a brand new 20 white led light I bought for $8 |
| 01:54.25 | f1shhead | this is why I never want to try anything hands on |
| 01:56.21 | f1shhead | heh |
| 01:56.24 | f1shhead | out of 20 |
| 01:56.34 | f1shhead | 5 work normally |
| 01:56.45 | f1shhead | 2 completely toasted |
| 01:57.44 | f1shhead | I give up |
| 02:02.06 | agaffney | bah, stupid little screws |
| 02:02.33 | f1shhead | mabye next week I will start posting all this stuff for sale |
| 02:02.38 | f1shhead | I just not cut out for this |
| 02:09.59 | f1shhead | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000A33DUQ/ref=pd_sim_sg_3/102-0378811-5146551?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance |
| 02:10.03 | f1shhead | I just destroyed this |
| 02:10.09 | f1shhead | only paid $8 but it still upsets me |
| 02:16.12 | agaffney | ok, I just tore apart that phone |
| 02:16.46 | agaffney | I could only get 1 of the 4 screws on the back out |
| 02:16.55 | f1shhead | drill :P |
| 02:17.00 | agaffney | so I started tearing it apart with pliers :P |
| 02:17.10 | agaffney | half the back is twisted off |
| 02:17.17 | agaffney | and I still have no real access to the inside |
| 02:17.24 | f1shhead | I hope this wasn't a nice phone |
| 02:17.39 | agaffney | it was, but it didn't work anymore |
| 02:17.44 | agaffney | transmitter was dead |
| 02:17.54 | agaffney | it just stopped talking to the network one day |
| 02:17.58 | agaffney | got it for free anyway |
| 02:18.04 | agaffney | when my dad switched networks |
| 02:18.10 | agaffney | this was a $400 nokia phone |
| 02:18.17 | agaffney | the matrix-ish one |
| 02:18.25 | agaffney | with the sliding keypad cover |
| 02:18.29 | agaffney | nice, bug screen |
| 02:18.31 | agaffney | scroll wheel |
| 02:19.42 | agaffney | my dremel is the only "drill" I've got |
| 02:19.50 | agaffney | and it's probably not powerful enough to drill these out |
| 02:23.01 | agaffney | damn, battery is dead |
| 02:39.33 | f1shhead | ugh |
| 02:39.41 | f1shhead | you probabbly could have put linux on iyt |
| 02:39.44 | f1shhead | or somethin |
| 02:39.48 | agaffney | the phone? |
| 02:39.52 | f1shhead | yes |
| 02:39.54 | agaffney | doubtful |
| 02:39.58 | agaffney | this phone is ~3 years old |
| 02:40.06 | agaffney | doesn't support java or anything fun like that |
| 02:40.16 | f1shhead | ugh so? it's more than likely some arm cpu |
| 02:40.37 | agaffney | I've got another phone :P |
| 02:40.40 | agaffney | this one is newer |
| 02:40.57 | f1shhead | which model |
| 02:41.56 | agaffney | 6340i |
| 02:42.26 | agaffney | it doesn't support java or anything fun either |
| 02:42.42 | agaffney | which means its capabilities are probably very limited as well |
| 02:43.03 | f1shhead | well wap term |
| 02:43.09 | f1shhead | or just text term |
| 02:44.39 | f1shhead | oh well not like I could do anything myself anyways |
| 02:45.07 | f1shhead | I think my drive for this stuff just died with the led lamp |
| 02:45.13 | agaffney | heh |
| 02:45.44 | f1shhead | i feel like I just ran over someone's dog |
| 02:46.01 | f1shhead | why do you need the battery if you just ripped it apart |
| 02:46.03 | agaffney | because you killed a led lamp? |
| 02:46.08 | agaffney | my dremel battery |
| 02:46.19 | f1shhead | yes |
| 02:46.25 | f1shhead | i tend to beat myself up over stupid shit |
| 02:46.27 | f1shhead | hell 20 yrs later |
| 02:46.45 | f1shhead | I am still beating myself up over the ball bearing clock I cracked before my dad even finished putting it together on xmas |
| 02:46.50 | f1shhead | cracked the clear cover |
| 02:47.23 | f1shhead | what os was that nokia |
| 02:48.57 | agaffney | it was just the generic nokia software |
| 02:49.18 | f1shhead | 96 x 65 Monochrome |
| 02:49.20 | f1shhead | oh |
| 02:49.22 | f1shhead | not a big loss |
| 02:49.29 | f1shhead | I have a sony erikson color |
| 02:49.34 | f1shhead | no use for it |
| 02:49.45 | f1shhead | you can't even remove the damn sim card and just use it |
| 02:49.48 | f1shhead | won't even start |
| 02:50.39 | f1shhead | yeah rip the lcd |
| 02:50.41 | f1shhead | see what you got |
| 02:50.48 | f1shhead | it's dct4 generation btw |
| 02:51.19 | f1shhead | mabye that's where I should start |
| 02:51.23 | f1shhead | hacking easy lcd's |
| 02:51.27 | f1shhead | then work my way yo |
| 02:51.39 | f1shhead | instead of getting overwhealed and just giving up before I start |
| 02:52.33 | f1shhead | heh |
| 02:52.37 | f1shhead | the mb + lcd is $18 |
| 02:52.41 | f1shhead | for your nokia |
| 02:53.07 | f1shhead | i can't tell if the lcd has a controller or not |
| 02:56.17 | agaffney | I think the dremel may have done the trick |
| 02:59.13 | agaffney | meh, didn't get far enough |
| 02:59.19 | agaffney | and the battery is dead again |
| 02:59.45 | f1shhead | uhh silly |
| 02:59.48 | f1shhead | look at the battery |
| 02:59.51 | f1shhead | see what voltage |
| 02:59.58 | f1shhead | grab something and a few diodes or a ldp |
| 03:00.00 | f1shhead | ldo |
| 03:10.26 | agaffney | it's 7.2V |
| 03:10.30 | agaffney | says it right on the dremel |
| 03:11.29 | f1shhead | hmm |
| 03:11.58 | agaffney | http://www.dremel.com/en-us/tools/tool-detail.htm?H=188091&G=66204&I=69677 |
| 03:12.03 | agaffney | that's what I've got |
| 03:13.13 | agaffney | http://www.dremel.com/en-us/tools/tool-detail.htm?H=188091&G=66981&I=69724 |
| 03:13.17 | agaffney | I think that's what I want |
| 03:13.23 | agaffney | a bit more powerful and can plug into the wall |
| 03:14.04 | agaffney | I got mine as a christmas present a few years ago |
| 03:14.09 | agaffney | never had much chance to use it |
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| 04:06.00 | agaffney | if I get this quad-port NIC working, how can I get it to act like a switch? bond the interfaces? |
| 04:06.18 | agaffney | (I don't really know what it means to bond interfaces :P) |
| 04:06.57 | f1shhead | i'd use bridging |
| 04:07.02 | f1shhead | but why not just get a cheap switch |
| 04:07.08 | f1shhead | and save the hassle on the unit |
| 04:07.57 | agaffney | because I can do other cool stuff with it |
| 04:08.09 | agaffney | the switch part is just the beginning |
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| 05:21.14 | agaffney | isn't ban evasion grounds for a good k-lining? |
| 05:32.36 | ohsix | he can always be rebanned, dont feed the trolls :P |
| 05:36.54 | agaffney | :P |
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