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| 02:59.59 | joe_bleau | I've cross compiled and downloaded code into the Cayman router: I'm blinking the WAN led! |
| 03:05.49 | J4k3 | perfect, I have a Millenium II here |
| 03:06.06 | J4k3 | worst case scenario, I fire up a voodoo2 |
| 03:06.07 | J4k3 | haha |
| 03:09.55 | joe_bleau | I think there's an external watchdog, as my blinky led program goes into the weeds after about 3 seconds |
| 03:11.22 | f1shhead | uhh |
| 03:11.28 | f1shhead | v2 has no framebuffer or 2d |
| 03:14.14 | J4k3 | I know, but I could do what I need to do with only GL support, I think. |
| 03:19.50 | f1shhead | you know what |
| 03:19.53 | f1shhead | yahoo sux |
| 03:20.26 | f1shhead | they bow down to anyone or anything that ask them to censor this or remove that blah blah |
| 03:21.08 | J4k3 | agreed |
| 03:21.17 | J4k3 | they didn't even warn anybody when they shut down the custom chat rooms |
| 03:21.33 | J4k3 | sure, a few pedos got on there and exchanged shit... I'm sure, just like every other chat medium. |
| 03:21.49 | J4k3 | you don't see efnet kneejerking over some kiddie pr0n |
| 03:22.08 | f1shhead | well kiddie porn I understand killing a webpag over that |
| 03:22.10 | f1shhead | i fit's confirmed |
| 03:22.18 | fenn | ahem |
| 03:22.23 | fenn | hi |
| 03:22.24 | J4k3 | hell, yahoo's kneejerk looked really suspitious to me. They removed any ability for the government to further investigate the criminal channels/users |
| 03:22.46 | J4k3 | and this is far beyond the scope of #edev |
| 03:23.11 | fenn | today i got disgusted with the ops in ##microcontrollers |
| 03:23.17 | fenn | and ended up here somehow |
| 03:23.19 | f1shhead | fenn lemme guess |
| 03:23.25 | f1shhead | gigs or fag-n-stuff |
| 03:23.33 | f1shhead | or that fag lorez |
| 03:23.49 | f1shhead | fuck |
| 03:23.52 | fenn | gigs and puff-n-stuff are pretty cool, but i'm just sick of people acting like they own the place |
| 03:23.55 | f1shhead | keybiard wet |
| 03:23.56 | f1shhead | bbl |
| 03:23.57 | J4k3 | I didn't know cigarettes could run channels on #freenode |
| 03:24.56 | fenn | so what are y'all building around these parts? |
| 03:26.08 | J4k3 | well, two walnuts |
| 03:26.48 | fenn | what do they do? besides look pretty |
| 03:27.00 | J4k3 | thats about it so far for me |
| 03:27.08 | J4k3 | they're pretty powerful, I'm thinking a carPC for one |
| 03:28.00 | J4k3 | I've got a quad minipci to pci adapter, thinking of running a multi-band kismet monitor (using ubiqiuti SR2/SR5/SR9/SR3's), and maybe a media player if its got enough gonads to do both at the same time |
| 03:28.22 | f1shhead | `b v7yh523`74mn |
| 03:28.38 | fenn | J4k3: i have no idea what you just said.. but that's ok |
| 03:28.39 | J4k3 | size is important. I drive a small SUV now, my next car will be miata/M3 sized. |
| 03:28.43 | J4k3 | err Z3 sized |
| 03:29.02 | J4k3 | fenn: but do you have any idea what f1shhead just said? |
| 03:29.34 | fenn | looks like "Waaaarghh!!" to me |
| 03:29.46 | J4k3 | ah, he's doing ok then |
| 03:29.48 | f1shhead | AQWAQAQQ |
| 03:30.03 | fenn | or maybe there's a cat on his keyboard |
| 03:30.22 | f1shhead | <f1shhead> fuck |
| 03:30.22 | f1shhead | [22:23] <fenn> gigs and puff-n-stuff are pretty cool, but i'm just sick of people acting like they own the place |
| 03:30.22 | f1shhead | [22:23] <f1shhead> keybiard wet |
| 03:30.22 | f1shhead | [22:23] <f1shhead> bbl |
| 03:30.36 | f1shhead | V 231z321098 |
| 03:31.31 | f1shhead | "?9811` |
| 03:31.53 | f1shhead | aaaaawqqw2w2qq114444444 |
| 03:34.26 | f1shhead | ok |
| 03:34.30 | f1shhead | think I saved it for now |
| 03:36.19 | fenn | i've been learning about AVR's and stuff, then atmel's ARM stuff caught my attention when i saw how cheap it was |
| 03:36.47 | fenn | particularly the USB host and ethernet peripherals |
| 03:38.19 | f1shhead | avr is one of the nicer mcu's |
| 03:38.20 | fenn | AT91RM9200 and AT91SAM7S* both look interesting |
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| 03:43.28 | f1shhead | \\ |
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| 03:46.51 | f1shhead | man this has been an expensive week |
| 03:46.57 | f1shhead | killed a $8 20 led lamp |
| 03:47.16 | f1shhead | and now I toasted a keyboard and voided any chance of returning my uncle's xmas present that didn't work |
| 03:47.27 | f1shhead | oh well I will just buy another one for him for $10 and not tell him |
| 03:49.11 | f1shhead | SOAB! |
| 03:49.21 | agaffney | is the walnut board just physically not capable of using both sides of a memory stick? |
| 03:51.47 | joe_bleau | agaffney: GPSFan traced it out and determined that only two of the four bank sel signals are routed from the cpu to the dimm slot |
| 03:51.49 | J4k3 | apparently |
| 03:52.02 | J4k3 | I just stuck an ancient single sided 64mb spectek stick in mine |
| 03:52.03 | J4k3 | works fine |
| 03:52.25 | agaffney | joe_bleau: ok, that's what I thought I remembered reading :P |
| 03:52.29 | f1shhead | didn't you guys read the post |
| 03:52.31 | f1shhead | from the other hacker |
| 03:52.39 | f1shhead | he said it has something to do with cas2 vs 3 |
| 03:52.41 | agaffney | J4k3: yeah, I've got a 128MB in mine and can use 64MB |
| 03:53.03 | f1shhead | oh HAHAHA is this cool |
| 03:53.19 | f1shhead | the whole reason I bought the tonic water downstairs was that quinine is florescent |
| 03:53.23 | f1shhead | wanted to play with my uv leds |
| 03:53.34 | f1shhead | now I can turn out the lights and find everywhere it spilled |
| 03:53.35 | f1shhead | bbl |
| 03:53.52 | agaffney | heh |
| 03:57.46 | agaffney | JoseJX: I'm at 7 of 78 (python) on the 'emerge -e world' I started a few hours ago :P |
| 03:58.05 | agaffney | I think distcc would be a lot more effective if I could speed up nfs |
| 03:58.25 | agaffney | I certaintly don't have enough memory to stick /tmp and /var/tmp/portage in tmpfs |
| 03:58.51 | agaffney | is anyone using nfsroot for their walnut? |
| 03:58.53 | J4k3 | agaffney: loading gentoo on it? haha |
| 03:59.06 | agaffney | J4k3: well, using a gentoo nfsroot currently |
| 03:59.23 | agaffney | then I'll build a custom environment using gentoo |
| 03:59.28 | agaffney | all built on a faster box |
| 03:59.53 | J4k3 | ahh |
| 04:00.38 | agaffney | although, my nfsroot is currently only 288M |
| 04:00.56 | agaffney | hurray for uclibc |
| 04:01.13 | f1shhead | wow |
| 04:01.20 | f1shhead | what's the trade off for uclibc |
| 04:02.07 | agaffney | none afaik |
| 04:02.19 | agaffney | it's smaller, lighter, and supports everything glibc does |
| 04:02.37 | agaffney | there's another *libc that's even smaller, but it's not completely compatible with glibc |
| 04:02.42 | agaffney | can't remember what it's called |
| 04:02.46 | f1shhead | what about security vs glibc |
| 04:02.50 | agaffney | no idea |
| 04:02.58 | f1shhead | hahaha "drawn together" is funnt |
| 04:03.10 | agaffney | eh, I stopped watching that show after the 2nd episode |
| 04:03.13 | agaffney | it was *too* stupid |
| 04:03.22 | f1shhead | most of the time it is |
| 04:03.26 | f1shhead | but sometimes it's funny |
| 04:03.31 | f1shhead | the one with the old carttons was a riot |
| 04:03.47 | f1shhead | chinese come out with huge teeth and symbols on their heads etc |
| 04:04.45 | f1shhead | hmm mabye I will make some x86 uclibc builds etc |
| 04:08.28 | f1shhead | the one where the superman spoof was totally paralyzed in a wheerchair was funny yoo |
| 04:24.29 | agaffney | hurray for segfaults! |
| 04:25.50 | agaffney | is anyone using nfs for *anything* on their walnut? |
| 04:25.55 | agaffney | I need someone to run a speed test |
| 04:26.06 | agaffney | I'm only able to do ~1.45MB/s max over nfs |
| 04:26.17 | agaffney | but another client can do 8MB/s+ to the same server |
| 04:26.41 | r2d2 | can you get better speed over another protocol? |
| 04:29.24 | *** join/#edev Chocobo (n=swinchen@70-33-147-28.agstme.adelphia.net) |
| 04:31.24 | Chocobo | wow... is there one chip on the juice box that gets _REALLY_ hot? |
| 04:31.48 | Chocobo | I took it apart and turned it on ... there is one chip that will burn you. |
| 04:32.31 | f1shhead | UHH NO |
| 04:32.34 | f1shhead | you burned something |
| 04:32.52 | f1shhead | which chip |
| 04:33.37 | Chocobo | The numbers are too small for me to read... top of the board 8 pin. |
| 04:33.53 | f1shhead | hmm |
| 04:34.18 | Chocobo | man, I don't know how I could have screwed it up... I just unscrewed everything. I haven't done any modification. |
| 04:34.29 | f1shhead | you let something touch |
| 04:35.06 | Chocobo | well it is dead now. That was an easy 20 bucks to destroy. :) |
| 04:35.56 | fenn | well now you have some parts to play with instead |
| 04:38.10 | Chocobo | I just hope the LCD is ok. |
| 04:38.12 | f1shhead | don't feel bad I toasted $18 myself |
| 04:39.19 | f1shhead | you in us ? |
| 04:40.19 | Chocobo | yep |
| 04:40.29 | agaffney | r2d2: hmm, didn't even think about that |
| 04:41.07 | Chocobo | hmm, the backlight comes on and the speaker makes a crackling sound |
| 04:41.33 | agaffney | r2d2: a http transfer topped out at 8.6MB/s |
| 04:41.45 | f1shhead | mabye I will see you one of my 8 meg ram units |
| 04:41.49 | r2d2 | agaffney: ok, so you know connectivity is fine |
| 04:41.53 | agaffney | yep |
| 04:42.01 | f1shhead | I AM not GOIN TO MOD THEM ANYWAYS |
| 04:42.06 | f1shhead | TOO SMALL, TOO DIFFICULT |
| 04:42.18 | f1shhead | T |
| 04:42.22 | f1shhead | THIS KEYBOARD IS GOING FAST |
| 04:43.02 | f1shhead | man this really sucks |
| 04:43.40 | Chocobo | lol... nevermind. It is fine. :) I pluged the power into the speaker =P |
| 04:43.49 | f1shhead | I DOUBT IT"S ok |
| 04:43.54 | agaffney | r2d2: I know the server isn't the bottleneck as I can pull 8.1MB/s via NFS from it on my amd64 box |
| 04:43.55 | f1shhead | YoU ProBABLY DAMAGED THE SOUND CHIP ETC |
| 04:43.57 | f1shhead | the codec |
| 04:44.01 | f1shhead | so it's audioless |
| 04:44.45 | r2d2 | agaffney: right, must be something with nfs on the client |
| 04:44.58 | f1shhead | HOW THE hell could you plug power into the speaker? |
| 04:45.05 | f1shhead | ARE YOU on more druGS THAt I AM |
| 04:45.44 | Chocobo | No, sound come on fine. |
| 04:45.49 | f1shhead | man you lucked out |
| 04:45.52 | f1shhead | big time |
| 04:46.13 | agaffney | hmm, that's interesting |
| 04:46.16 | Chocobo | I can't get the ribbon cable back in the slot though |
| 04:46.27 | agaffney | now that I think about it, the nfs server I was using to test the 2 boxes wasn't the same |
| 04:46.43 | agaffney | when I connect to the server I used to test the amd64, I get 4.14MB/s |
| 04:47.27 | f1shhead | Chocobo |
| 04:47.32 | f1shhead | btw is it a 2 meg unit or 8 |
| 04:47.41 | Chocobo | 2 |
| 04:47.51 | agaffney | I've got the export defined the same way on both (insecure,no_root_squash,rw,sync) |
| 04:48.58 | Chocobo | 2MB and everything is fine, including screen. |
| 04:48.59 | Chocobo | sweet. |
| 04:49.52 | r2d2 | agaffney: what about another protocol transfer on box that gets you 4.14 over nfs? |
| 04:50.55 | f1shhead | YOU GFO TO HELL AND YOU DIE |
| 04:51.05 | f1shhead | pos |
| 04:51.15 | f1shhead | this one isn't much better |
| 04:51.16 | f1shhead | ugh |
| 04:51.25 | f1shhead | oh good news folks |
| 04:51.27 | agaffney | r2d2: my nfsroot is on 192.168.0.10. my /usr/portage (4.14MB/s) and the http (8.6MB/s) are on 192.168.0.12 |
| 04:51.38 | f1shhead | www.lcdinfo.com has got a sniff of the juicebox |
| 04:51.39 | agaffney | f1shhead: you're going to stop using your caps lock? |
| 04:51.46 | f1shhead | and there are forum posts about the lcd |
| 04:51.53 | f1shhead | so I expect it to be hacked and printout soon |
| 04:51.59 | f1shhead | agaffney my keyboard is shorting out |
| 04:52.03 | f1shhead | so don't even start |
| 04:52.08 | f1shhead | or I will finish it |
| 04:52.49 | f1shhead | a ton of tonic water sprayed into a keyboard tends to do that |
| 04:52.56 | r2d2 | agaffney: I'd try transfers between the boxes in question, either nfs on .12, or http on .10 |
| 04:53.02 | agaffney | r2d2: I guess I can try to move the nfsroot over to the box that gets fast nfs |
| 04:53.15 | agaffney | if it's still slow, I can blame the kernel doing something funny when mounting it |
| 04:53.24 | *** part/#edev fenn (n=fenn@adsl-70-239-69-210.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:53.39 | Chocobo | so is the 2MB model older or newer than the 8MB? |
| 04:53.45 | f1shhead | newer |
| 04:54.07 | Chocobo | crap... so getting the 8 will be tough |
| 04:54.22 | f1shhead | unless you bought 6 like I did |
| 04:54.24 | f1shhead | :P |
| 04:55.58 | f1shhead | sold one to sunrunner |
| 04:56.06 | f1shhead | 2 still sealed in plastic and 3 beat up used ones |
| 04:56.31 | f1shhead | i'll probably sell them off once I confirm the lcd works out of them |
| 04:56.49 | f1shhead | then I will just get some cheap 2 meg units and sell the 8 meg units to people who want to use the whole thing |
| 04:57.49 | Chocobo | are the 8 meg units more expensive? |
| 04:57.53 | f1shhead | no |
| 04:57.56 | f1shhead | except mabye on ebay etc |
| 04:58.03 | f1shhead | cause the sellers know the hack value is more |
| 04:58.12 | f1shhead | dude kmart has them for $9.99 and the mp3 kits for $20 |
| 04:58.20 | f1shhead | they are all 2 meg units but why did you pay $20 |
| 04:59.00 | Chocobo | I guess I got the MP3 kit. It came with headphones and music videos and a 32 MB SD card. |
| 04:59.11 | f1shhead | where did you get all this ? |
| 04:59.39 | Chocobo | KB Toys |
| 04:59.54 | f1shhead | did it come with the sd to jb adaptor |
| 05:00.11 | Chocobo | MP3 / Media Player Bundle Pack is what it is called. |
| 05:00.16 | Chocobo | yes it did |
| 05:00.17 | f1shhead | if you got the whole thing for $20 |
| 05:00.20 | f1shhead | that was a steal |
| 05:00.29 | f1shhead | cause the usb reader and sd card and extension cord = $20 alone |
| 05:00.31 | Chocobo | and a USB cable, and all sorts of crap |
| 05:00.38 | f1shhead | and that sb to jb adaptor is worth $20 alone cause you take the plastic off |
| 05:00.43 | f1shhead | and it's a sd breakout pcb |
| 05:01.12 | Chocobo | sweet. |
| 05:01.18 | Chocobo | Actually it was 24.99 |
| 05:01.26 | Chocobo | Maybe I will pick up another |
| 05:01.37 | f1shhead | well if you do |
| 05:01.42 | Chocobo | I can still get linux onto the 2 MB model correct? |
| 05:01.43 | f1shhead | look for a unit with NO front led |
| 05:01.47 | f1shhead | no little hole on the front |
| 05:01.54 | f1shhead | yeah but more limited and a bit harder :P |
| 05:02.12 | Chocobo | I can't tell. It is in a big cardboard box that is taped up |
| 05:02.29 | f1shhead | ugh |
| 05:02.38 | f1shhead | well if someone hacks the lcd |
| 05:02.48 | f1shhead | and it appears it's just a standard digital ttl or cmos interface |
| 05:02.53 | f1shhead | then it's worth it anyways |
| 05:03.03 | Chocobo | iit will be WELL worth the 25 bucks |
| 05:03.05 | Chocobo | :) |
| 05:03.11 | f1shhead | I am getting rid of mine I think |
| 05:03.20 | Chocobo | I want an 8 MB model. |
| 05:03.24 | Chocobo | :) |
| 05:03.26 | f1shhead | sticking with larger devices easier to hack |
| 05:03.31 | f1shhead | or stuff that works out of the box |
| 05:03.43 | Chocobo | not a bad idea. |
| 05:03.58 | Chocobo | Well I am off to bed. Girlfriend is yellin at me |
| 05:04.02 | f1shhead | ok |
| 05:04.04 | Chocobo | Talk to you all later :) |
| 05:05.41 | f1shhead | nice guy, mabye I will sell him a unit |
| 05:06.47 | agaffney | r2d2: ok, something weird is definitely going on here |
| 05:06.51 | agaffney | 2 nfs mounts to the same box |
| 05:06.56 | agaffney | the nfsroot is 0.44MB/s |
| 05:07.02 | agaffney | no, that's not a typo |
| 05:07.10 | agaffney | but /usr/portage is 4.2MB/s |
| 05:07.51 | agaffney | they're both on the same filesystem (2x36GB U160 SCSI RAID1 w/ ext3) |
| 05:07.57 | agaffney | both exported the same way |
| 05:08.01 | agaffney | /usr/portage*(insecure,no_root_squash,rw,sync) |
| 05:08.05 | agaffney | /nfsroot/405gp *(insecure,no_root_squash,rw,sync) |
| 05:08.21 | joe_bleau | How are you benchmarking the transfer rate? |
| 05:08.22 | agaffney | so wth is the difference? |
| 05:08.36 | agaffney | 'time dd if=/dev/zero of=/usr/portage/empty.file bs=4096' |
| 05:08.43 | agaffney | hit Ctrl-C after ~10 seconds |
| 05:08.59 | agaffney | then divide the resulting file size by the 'real' time reported by time |
| 05:10.21 | r2d2 | what about transfer off the exports? |
| 05:10.50 | agaffney | reading? |
| 05:10.56 | r2d2 | yes |
| 05:11.34 | f1shhead | agaffney |
| 05:11.37 | f1shhead | what nic is in the ppc |
| 05:11.43 | agaffney | onboard |
| 05:11.47 | f1shhead | oh ok |
| 05:11.50 | agaffney | http can do 8.6MB/s |
| 05:11.51 | f1shhead | that one is good I been told |
| 05:12.32 | f1shhead | bbl |
| 05:12.57 | agaffney | r2d2: 5.77MB/s for reading |
| 05:15.34 | agaffney | my nfs knowledge ends right here |
| 05:17.18 | agaffney | it's obviously something in the way the export is mounted |
| 05:17.45 | agaffney | some difference in the way the kernel mounts and the way it's mounted from /etc/fstab |
| 05:18.17 | agaffney | localhost ~ # mount | grep nfs |
| 05:18.17 | agaffney | 192.168.0.12:/nfsroot/405gp on / type nfs (rw,noatime) |
| 05:18.17 | agaffney | 192.168.0.12:/usr/portage on /usr/portage type nfs (rw,addr=192.168.0.12) |
| 05:18.26 | agaffney | the 2nd is the fast one |
| 05:19.21 | r2d2 | addr shouldn't do anything at all |
| 05:19.32 | agaffney | that's put in there automatically |
| 05:19.39 | agaffney | it's not in my fstab entry |
| 05:19.55 | agaffney | 192.168.0.12:/nfsroot/405gp/nfsdefaults,noatime0 0 |
| 05:19.55 | agaffney | 192.168.0.12:/usr/portage/usr/portagenfsdefaults0 0 |
| 05:22.07 | r2d2 | I don't see how 'noatime' should affect much (should only make reads a tiny bit faster actually) |
| 05:22.22 | r2d2 | you can try ditching it though |
| 05:24.12 | agaffney | didn't make a bit of difference |
| 05:24.38 | agaffney | well, it got slower :P |
| 05:24.41 | agaffney | 0.43MB/s |
| 05:24.45 | agaffney | down from 0.44 |
| 05:28.30 | agaffney | any other ideas? |
| 05:29.54 | r2d2 | tried playing with rsize and wsize? |
| 05:31.11 | agaffney | I tried 8192 for both when it was on the other server |
| 05:31.14 | agaffney | with no change |
| 05:31.23 | agaffney | although, they're not used for the fast mount |
| 05:43.14 | agaffney | {r,w}size={4096,8192,16384} all give the same results |
| 05:51.07 | agaffney | anyone else have any other ideas? |
| 05:57.11 | joe_bleau | jbevren: still around? I was just given a more complete LH79524 datasheet |
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| 06:00.49 | StoneCypher | Is it okay to offer one-off jobs for money in here? |
| 06:05.11 | f1shhead | I don't see why not |
| 06:05.13 | f1shhead | just don't be a dick |
| 06:05.16 | f1shhead | and don't spam 500 times |
| 06:05.43 | StoneCypher | kay. i need a relocatability implementation for codewarrior embedded. i'm willing to put out cash, and i'd like to hear people's estimates, preferably in /msg so it doesn't flood the channel. |
| 06:06.00 | StoneCypher | codewarrior embedded for the arm9, that is |
| 06:06.30 | StoneCypher | and no, i can't switch to a different compiler that already implements it, unfortunately, and yes i know metrowerks' docs say it does implement it; in this case it doesn't. |
| 06:10.42 | f1shhead | can this person be out of country ? |
| 06:11.25 | StoneCypher | doesn't matter to me where they are, as long as the code works |
| 06:11.37 | f1shhead | you might want to bug prpplague when he's around |
| 06:11.52 | f1shhead | but some of the other guys in here might be able to to it also I dunno |
| 06:13.00 | f1shhead | ALSO #elinux |
| 06:13.10 | f1shhead | even though it's full of jerks |
| 06:13.15 | StoneCypher | i've already asked in there, but thanks |
| 06:13.22 | f1shhead | np |
| 06:13.28 | f1shhead | feel free to idle here |
| 06:13.32 | StoneCypher | and frankly i don't care if they're jerks; i just need something that works |
| 06:13.41 | StoneCypher | all i need is someone who wants money |
| 06:13.53 | f1shhead | you should pretty desperate :P |
| 06:13.59 | f1shhead | sound |
| 06:14.00 | f1shhead | I mean |
| 06:14.05 | StoneCypher | i am. someone just totally fucked me over. |
| 06:14.17 | f1shhead | ouch |
| 06:14.22 | f1shhead | hence my " |
| 06:14.27 | f1shhead | it'sfull of jerks comment |
| 06:14.31 | f1shhead | I wouldn't trust some of them |
| 06:14.51 | f1shhead | but they do know their stuffd |
| 06:15.07 | f1shhead | good luck, i'd help if I could |
| 06:15.09 | f1shhead | but I am hw guy |
| 06:15.22 | StoneCypher | kay. |
| 06:15.27 | f1shhead | nice target though btw |
| 06:15.29 | f1shhead | I like arm :) |
| 06:15.49 | f1shhead | the arm7tdmi seems to be the "m68k" of the 90-20xx's |
| 06:15.50 | f1shhead | :P |
| 06:16.19 | StoneCypher | the tdmi was especially designed for nintendo, and is only used in the gameboy advance. |
| 06:16.25 | f1shhead | uhh no |
| 06:16.33 | f1shhead | it's time TONS of appliances |
| 06:16.36 | StoneCypher | uh. |
| 06:16.40 | StoneCypher | not all arm7s are tdmis. |
| 06:16.47 | f1shhead | I am talking about the arm7tdmi |
| 06:16.56 | f1shhead | the mmuless arm7 core |
| 06:17.05 | f1shhead | juicebox is one of them |
| 06:17.09 | f1shhead | and pixter is another |
| 06:17.12 | f1shhead | hence this channel |
| 06:17.12 | StoneCypher | maybe you're talking about the arm7tdmi-s |
| 06:17.19 | StoneCypher | which is in the juicebox and the pixter |
| 06:17.43 | f1shhead | eh? |
| 06:17.44 | StoneCypher | http://www.arm.com/support/faqip/3686.html |
| 06:17.51 | f1shhead | I just said that |
| 06:18.01 | f1shhead | oh |
| 06:18.05 | f1shhead | there is a tdmi and tdmi-s |
| 06:18.06 | f1shhead | neat |
| 06:18.15 | StoneCypher | and the tdmi is only in the gameboy advance. |
| 06:18.27 | StoneCypher | it was a version of the arm7td which was designed to put the GBA's video bus on-die |
| 06:18.33 | f1shhead | well arm isn't claiming that |
| 06:18.34 | StoneCypher | and then the rest of the industry said "oooh i want that" |
| 06:18.47 | StoneCypher | and arm said "our agreement with nintendo says no, so let's invent the -s" |
| 06:18.55 | f1shhead | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM7TDMI |
| 06:18.58 | StoneCypher | okay. |
| 06:19.03 | StoneCypher | i work for nintendo |
| 06:19.08 | StoneCypher | so you really don't need to quote wikipedia at me. |
| 06:19.15 | f1shhead | http://www.bdti.com/procsum/arm7.htm |
| 06:19.40 | f1shhead | you work for nintendo? |
| 06:19.41 | f1shhead | you suck then |
| 06:19.45 | StoneCypher | wow, you found someone on the internet that doesn't know the subtle difference between two embedded microprocessors. |
| 06:19.46 | f1shhead | j/k :P |
| 06:19.51 | f1shhead | uhh |
| 06:19.54 | StoneCypher | who would ever have thought that could happen. |
| 06:19.54 | f1shhead | you want more url's |
| 06:19.56 | StoneCypher | no. |
| 06:20.29 | f1shhead | http://www.samsung.com/Products/Semiconductor/ASIC/IPCoreLibrary/IntellectureProperties/ProcessorCores/ARMCores/ARM7TDMI.htm |
| 06:20.42 | f1shhead | says they are both general purpose |
| 06:20.48 | StoneCypher | sigh. |
| 06:20.50 | StoneCypher | okay you win. |
| 06:20.58 | StoneCypher | i guess i just watched a chip get licensed in my imagination. |
| 06:21.07 | f1shhead | dude 100's of companies vs 1 |
| 06:21.09 | f1shhead | you do the math |
| 06:21.13 | StoneCypher | yeah. |
| 06:21.19 | StoneCypher | i work for the one that did the licensure. |
| 06:21.26 | StoneCypher | the math is done. |
| 06:21.27 | StoneCypher | so are you. |
| 06:21.31 | ohsix | troll vs. troll, fight |
| 06:21.36 | StoneCypher | oh god, it's ohsix. |
| 06:21.38 | f1shhead | well the mabye they should have been more forthcoming in the credits |
| 06:21.41 | StoneCypher | anyway |
| 06:21.42 | f1shhead | if this is the case |
| 06:21.55 | StoneCypher | if anyone wants money for work, please /msg. |
| 06:21.56 | ohsix | dont forget the TMS470 line |
| 06:22.00 | f1shhead | I wish prpplague was here |
| 06:22.47 | ohsix | ps: dont believe everything you read on the internet |
| 06:23.17 | f1shhead | uhh dude I believe what I see from several companies selling a product |
| 06:23.53 | f1shhead | not to mention listening to prpplague many times |
| 06:24.19 | f1shhead | even keil claims the arm7tdmi |
| 06:24.20 | ohsix | stay calm |
| 06:24.22 | f1shhead | and they write compilers |
| 06:24.27 | f1shhead | oh I am very calm :) |
| 06:26.29 | ohsix | howru agaffney |
| 06:26.42 | agaffney | fine |
| 06:26.49 | ohsix | good |
| 06:26.51 | agaffney | just banging my head against the wall over this nfs thing |
| 06:26.57 | ohsix | what nfs thing? |
| 06:27.04 | agaffney | and trying to beat a troll over the head with logic in another channel |
| 06:27.19 | f1shhead | http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ARM7TDMIS.html |
| 06:27.29 | agaffney | ohsix: my nfsroot has a write speed of 0.44MB/s but a read speed of 5.7MB//s |
| 06:27.31 | f1shhead | http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ARM7TDMI.html |
| 06:27.46 | agaffney | but another mount on the same server and filesystem gives me consistent higher numbers |
| 06:27.47 | f1shhead | according to arm one is normal logic and one is synthsizable |
| 06:27.47 | StoneCypher | agaffney: i'm sorry to bug you specifically. do you know any other channels where looking for embedded developers is realistic? |
| 06:27.49 | ohsix | agaffney: what does your /etc/exports look like and what fs is it on? |
| 06:28.07 | f1shhead | StoneCypher I told you who to try to get a holdof |
| 06:28.24 | agaffney | StoneCypher: nope...I'm new to the embedded world |
| 06:28.43 | StoneCypher | okay. |
| 06:28.47 | f1shhead | joe_bleau or jbevren |
| 06:28.52 | f1shhead | might be good choices to ask also |
| 06:28.58 | agaffney | ohsix: both exports are (insecure,no_root_squash,rw,sync) and on the same ext3 filesystem on a 2x36GB U160 SCSI RAID1 |
| 06:29.39 | ohsix | agaffney: there might be some special cases involved with a nfs mount thats used as a root filesystem |
| 06:30.04 | *** join/#edev Chocobo (n=swinchen@70-33-147-28.agstme.adelphia.net) |
| 06:30.45 | Chocobo | yeah, so I am an insomniac... so what? |
| 06:30.52 | f1shhead | na I got you beat |
| 06:31.04 | f1shhead | I was on tranq's the last few yrs to make me sleep |
| 06:31.09 | agaffney | ohsix: any idea what those are? 0.44MB/s is absolutely rediculous |
| 06:31.15 | f1shhead | but I ditched it because too many health side efffects |
| 06:31.25 | ohsix | agaffney: whats writing / what are you using to measure this? |
| 06:31.46 | Chocobo | that sounds like a good idea. one time last month I went two day with 45 minutes of sleep. it sucked. |
| 06:32.13 | f1shhead | Chocobo try over the counter sleep aids |
| 06:32.25 | f1shhead | or melatonin if you aren't on any anti depressants etc |
| 06:32.50 | ohsix | or foxglove if you're nasty |
| 06:32.54 | f1shhead | ? |
| 06:33.10 | f1shhead | Chocobo the majority of OTC sleep aids are just benyadryl |
| 06:33.24 | Chocobo | melatonin? hmm sounds good. One of the reasons I think I can't sleep well... and this may be too much information, I dont know... one nostril always seems plugged it it drives me mad... but it only happens when I lay down. arrrrg. |
| 06:33.35 | f1shhead | yeah well I have a form of autism |
| 06:33.40 | f1shhead | so I feel hairs on my face move |
| 06:33.44 | f1shhead | so that drives me nuts too |
| 06:33.50 | agaffney | ohsix: I was using 'time dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/empty.file bs=4096', letting it run ~10s, and then dividing the size of the resulting file by the 'real' time reported by `time` |
| 06:34.12 | ohsix | oic |
| 06:34.14 | Chocobo | oh strange. |
| 06:35.01 | f1shhead | it's called aspergers |
| 06:35.40 | Chocobo | I can imagine that would drive anyone crazy. |
| 06:35.59 | ohsix | bahah |
| 06:36.05 | f1shhead | my nervous system is like 2x normal |
| 06:36.08 | ohsix | right off /., damn |
| 06:36.11 | f1shhead | senses etc |
| 06:36.27 | f1shhead | I could probably tell you which woman in a room was having her . from the smell of blood |
| 06:36.53 | f1shhead | but enough about that |
| 06:37.00 | f1shhead | I don't even want to think about that |
| 06:37.22 | Chocobo | hmm. interesting. lol |
| 06:37.22 | ohsix | you should join the X men instead of chatting away on irc all day |
| 06:37.34 | f1shhead | I am going to do this |
| 06:37.36 | f1shhead | next week even |
| 06:37.37 | f1shhead | http://forum.lcdinfo.com/viewtopic.php?t=705 |
| 06:38.24 | agaffney | ohsix: any ideas at all about my nfs issue? |
| 06:38.29 | f1shhead | agaffney |
| 06:38.33 | f1shhead | this is perfect for the ppc board |
| 06:38.34 | f1shhead | http://forum.lcdinfo.com/viewtopic.php?t=705 |
| 06:38.44 | f1shhead | if you don't need more than 16 or 256 colors |
| 06:39.24 | Chocobo | aaaahhhh windows! |
| 06:39.43 | agaffney | hmm, I wonder how much one of those would cost |
| 06:39.53 | f1shhead | agaffney don't buy one unless you can get one for like $20 |
| 06:40.09 | ohsix | agaffney: is it only when its mounted as nfsroot? |
| 06:40.13 | f1shhead | otherwise better off getting a little analog panel and use tv out video or something |
| 06:40.23 | f1shhead | I just happen to have 3 panels from 3 dead laptops |
| 06:40.24 | f1shhead | :P |
| 06:41.33 | f1shhead | beats a crappy crt for something that isn't going to be doing a full desktop or video or games anyways |
| 06:41.36 | agaffney | ohsix: yes...I just mounted it again at /mnt/tmp and can write to it at 4.82MB/s |
| 06:42.00 | ohsix | agaffney: try using a real file and look at the numbers in nfsstat -c afterwards |
| 06:42.39 | agaffney | what should I be looking for in that output? |
| 06:42.57 | ohsix | busting out something for benchmarking would probably be better, too, like bonnie or something |
| 06:43.08 | ohsix | this is handy for random dd/cat/etc>file stuff http://www.ivarch.com/programs/pv.shtml |
| 06:44.55 | Chocobo | hmm |
| 06:46.07 | agaffney | the fact that it's fast when not used as nfsroot tells me the kernel is doing something different when mounting it |
| 06:46.10 | ohsix | i'd chalk it up to special circumstances the nfs root work under, and start looking n' seeing if that was really the case |
| 06:46.18 | ohsix | right |
| 06:46.35 | ohsix | the read model for nfs roots are typically read only, too |
| 06:46.44 | ohsix | stuff like /tmp is either local or another export |
| 06:46.51 | ohsix | mounted after boot |
| 06:47.34 | agaffney | but what would make nfsroot different from a regular nfs mount? |
| 06:49.32 | agaffney | hmm, I wonder if the kernel is using nfs v2 |
| 06:49.42 | Chocobo | I need to get a book. I love this embedded stuff, pulling bits and pieces from google is very time consuming though. |
| 06:49.55 | ohsix | i wish lxr.linux.no was still updated |
| 06:50.16 | ohsix | agaffney: are you using nfsd or knfsd? |
| 06:50.31 | ohsix | nfsd can easily be told to be more noisy so you can poke around |
| 06:50.42 | agaffney | ohsix: on the server size? nfsd afaik |
| 06:50.45 | ohsix | http://lxr.linux.no/source/fs/nfs/nfsroot.c |
| 06:51.04 | ohsix | there are the kernel parameters just the same, if you want to force something |
| 06:51.22 | agaffney | -o nfsvers=3 |
| 06:52.34 | agaffney | bah, nope |
| 06:52.37 | ohsix | huhu |
| 06:53.31 | ohsix | i'm pretty sure everyone assumes nfs roots are to be read only or mostly read only, and they write against that case, caching and whatnot |
| 06:53.53 | agaffney | but why would nfsroot be any different from nfs non-root? |
| 06:54.10 | ohsix | because its a boot device |
| 06:56.31 | agaffney | pfft |
| 06:56.57 | agaffney | is there something in the nfs protocol that specifies that it's a boot device? |
| 06:57.03 | agaffney | if not, how is it any different? |
| 06:57.50 | ohsix | the machine using it as a boot device is the one who cares :P |
| 06:59.40 | agaffney | so, is the client artifically limiting the write speed? |
| 06:59.56 | agaffney | is it passing some invisible slow_as_hell=1 mount option? |
| 07:02.57 | agaffney | ... |
| 07:03.06 | agaffney | switching to async from sync kicks it up to 4.5MB/s |
| 07:03.14 | agaffney | but the other mount works just fine with sync |
| 07:03.29 | agaffney | is sync slow with a lot of open files? |
| 07:04.10 | f1shhead | om |
| 07:04.14 | f1shhead | you guys |
| 07:04.21 | f1shhead | I think I can o this vesa hack |
| 07:04.25 | agaffney | 4.8MB/s write on that test |
| 07:04.34 | agaffney | that's all it fscking was? bah |
| 07:04.35 | f1shhead | withouhaving a breakdown |
| 07:04.42 | f1shhead | wow |
| 07:05.00 | f1shhead | oh did I mention how badly vnc sucks |
| 07:05.16 | Chocobo | badly |
| 07:07.24 | *** part/#edev joe_bleau (n=joe_blea@adsl-69-152-201-33.dsl.fyvlar.swbell.net) |
| 07:07.39 | f1shhead | joe |
| 07:07.50 | f1shhead | I think I can do this vesa hack |
| 07:07.53 | agaffney | switching to async brought the compile time for portmap from 4:52 down to 1:35 |
| 07:07.58 | f1shhead | withouthvinga akdown |
| 07:08.01 | f1shhead | :) |
| 07:08.09 | f1shhead | without having a breakdown |
| 07:08.35 | f1shhead | I use the laptop's old cable to the lcd |
| 07:08.40 | f1shhead | just cut off the laptop ends |
| 07:08.45 | Chocobo | joe left. |
| 07:08.49 | f1shhead | and trace out and paper tag all the wires |
| 07:08.52 | f1shhead | oh thought he came |
| 07:08.53 | f1shhead | thx |
| 07:08.59 | Chocobo | No problem. |
| 07:09.21 | Chocobo | I think I might zombie it back into my room and roll around for a while. |
| 07:09.36 | Chocobo | goodnight again. |
| 07:13.19 | ohsix | hur |
| 07:13.33 | ohsix | finding your way around is kind of tricky in that kernel der |
| 07:14.56 | f1shhead | :p |
| 07:16.14 | ohsix | it mounts / as /root in the vfs, then sys_mount move/rebinds '.' to '/' then chroots there |
| 07:17.15 | ohsix | if you didn't know before, you do now! hurhur |
| 07:17.20 | agaffney | are you talking about nfsroot? |
| 07:18.11 | ohsix | about lunix, looking for nfs stuff in particular along the chain to see if the caching model or something is changed by default |
| 07:19.06 | ohsix | http://lxr.linux.no/source/init/do_mounts.c#L393 |
| 07:19.07 | ohsix | hurhur |
| 07:20.10 | agaffney | that's all greek to me |
| 07:20.27 | agaffney | but I'm not at all familiar with kernel internals |
| 07:20.42 | ohsix | me either, but its all pretty clear unixy stuff |
| 07:21.10 | ohsix | for initrd it does the same thing but afterwards it mounts another root the same way |
| 07:21.23 | ohsix | http://lxr.linux.no/source/init/do_mounts_initrd.c#L41 |
| 07:21.28 | ohsix | not relevant though |
| 07:24.37 | ohsix | 47 #define NFS3_FSF_BILLYBOY 0x0018 |
| 07:24.37 | ohsix | heh |
| 07:25.00 | ohsix | thats the winningest constant name ever |
| 07:25.33 | agaffney | ooh, throwing distcc in the mix shaved a whole 13 seconds off the compile time for portmap :P |
| 07:25.40 | ohsix | nice |
| 07:25.48 | agaffney | 1:35 down to 1:22 |
| 07:25.49 | ohsix | uno there is no inkernel lockd resolver for nfs |
| 07:26.15 | ohsix | that and the combination of sync/async likely jiggered it up |
| 07:26.25 | ohsix | there aren't any special defaults or anything in the kernel |
| 07:27.49 | ohsix | 608 if (nfs_wait_on_write_congestion(page->mapping, server->flags & NFS_MOUNT_INTR)) |
| 07:27.50 | ohsix | 609 return ERR_PTR(-ERESTARTSYS); |
| 07:27.51 | ohsix | huhuhu |
| 07:30.41 | f1shhead | crap |
| 07:30.48 | f1shhead | the lcd I have is 18 bit color |
| 07:31.32 | f1shhead | apprentely those are a pain the ass to make work |
| 07:31.33 | f1shhead | :/ |
| 07:33.30 | f1shhead | hmm |
| 07:33.42 | f1shhead | mabye I understand this stuff better than I think |
| 07:34.46 | f1shhead | I have an idea |
| 07:36.40 | ohsix | hm dropped 13 degrees here in an hour |
| 07:37.16 | agaffney | it's 7F here |
| 07:37.30 | ohsix | 4 here |
| 07:37.40 | ohsix | its a very crisp cold |
| 07:37.46 | agaffney | it only got up to 15F during the day |
| 07:37.58 | ohsix | nice, it was 18something today here |
| 07:38.00 | f1shhead | if I have 6 bits for each other |
| 07:38.09 | f1shhead | one being LSB AND ONE BEING MSB |
| 07:38.14 | ohsix | says its going to be down to 2 tonight |
| 07:38.17 | f1shhead | but my feed is only 3 bits |
| 07:38.48 | f1shhead | I should be able to ground out 3 or just split 3 into 6 correct ? |
| 07:38.50 | f1shhead | other/color |
| 07:38.58 | f1shhead | HOLY CRAP |
| 07:39.06 | f1shhead | I ACTUALLY SORTA UNDERSTAND THIS |
| 07:41.09 | ohsix | 6bpp is like mode x!!!!!!!1 |
| 07:41.37 | f1shhead | OUCH |
| 07:41.42 | f1shhead | no 6 bits per color |
| 07:41.46 | f1shhead | = 18 bit |
| 07:41.59 | ohsix | right |
| 07:42.08 | f1shhead | the vesa is only 2 bits per color = 6 bit |
| 07:42.11 | f1shhead | ugh |
| 07:42.27 | ohsix | 6bit dac, 6bits significant per pallette entry |
| 07:42.59 | f1shhead | http://www.gamesx.com/hwb/co_VesaFeature.html |
| 07:43.27 | ohsix | ya? |
| 07:43.43 | f1shhead | i'll show you what I am working on |
| 07:43.47 | ohsix | i saw it |
| 07:43.54 | f1shhead | ohok |
| 07:44.01 | f1shhead | I just have to figure out |
| 07:44.02 | ohsix | i didn't know what that header was for though |
| 07:44.16 | f1shhead | how I take 2 bits per color |
| 07:44.24 | f1shhead | and hook it to a lcd expecting 6 |
| 07:44.46 | ohsix | its clocked serially |
| 07:45.24 | f1shhead | agaffney |
| 07:45.26 | f1shhead | http://forum.lcdinfo.com/viewtopic.php?t=705 |
| 07:45.50 | ohsix | what chip does the lcd use |
| 07:46.08 | f1shhead | I can't find the spec yet for this laptop lcd |
| 07:46.13 | f1shhead | I found a close cousin |
| 07:46.21 | ohsix | how old is it? |
| 07:46.46 | f1shhead | SHARP LQ11S353 - 11.3 TFT 800x600 TOSHIBA SATALITE 430CDT |
| 07:46.49 | ohsix | newer ones do lvds and put all the goodies in an onboard controller |
| 07:47.00 | f1shhead | yes but this hack works for those |
| 07:47.01 | ohsix | er, outboard controller |
| 07:47.09 | agaffney | f1shhead: right, I read that, but I don't understand how it all works to begin with |
| 07:47.09 | f1shhead | I tink |
| 07:47.34 | ohsix | agaffney: you can clock in color bits to an lcd with an onboard controller from the VESA header on most older video cards |
| 07:47.54 | f1shhead | meaning you can use a old laptop lcd |
| 07:48.02 | f1shhead | for something like that ppc board |
| 07:48.12 | f1shhead | you only get 16 or 256 colors |
| 07:48.20 | f1shhead | but for just status info |
| 07:48.30 | f1shhead | non video or desktop stuff it's i |
| 07:48.32 | f1shhead | fine |
| 07:48.48 | f1shhead | beats bulky crt |
| 07:49.23 | ohsix | http://www.amontec.com/lcd_nokia_3310.shtml ftw |
| 07:50.06 | f1shhead | oh yes |
| 07:50.09 | f1shhead | thx ohsix |
| 07:50.20 | f1shhead | my sister has 2 old cell phones my nephew was playing with |
| 07:50.25 | f1shhead | she offered them to me |
| 07:50.29 | f1shhead | mabye they have something similiar |
| 07:51.22 | f1shhead | I will have to get those from her and see what they have inside |
| 07:51.36 | f1shhead | I also got a old sony ericson cell with color lcd |
| 07:51.40 | f1shhead | I should rip that apart |
| 07:53.00 | agaffney | woosh |
| 07:53.11 | agaffney | ohsix: that was the sound of what you said flying right over my head :P |
| 07:53.26 | f1shhead | agaffney |
| 07:53.30 | f1shhead | it's simple |
| 07:53.36 | f1shhead | you can take screens off shit |
| 07:53.40 | f1shhead | and attach them to a pc |
| 07:54.02 | agaffney | I get that part :P |
| 07:59.40 | f1shhead | man I love tonic water |
| 08:03.39 | ohsix | hur |
| 08:04.52 | f1shhead | wo |
| 08:04.53 | ohsix | agaffney: all it is, is a shared clocked bus, to clock info into onboard dram, during each clock cycle it looks at what is on the bus, stuffs it away, and waits for the next |
| 08:04.55 | f1shhead | wow |
| 08:05.01 | f1shhead | that lcd is $5 |
| 08:05.06 | ohsix | yep |
| 08:05.09 | f1shhead | ohsix can a parallel port drive it |
| 08:05.15 | ohsix | sure |
| 08:05.17 | agaffney | what lcd? |
| 08:05.20 | f1shhead | cool |
| 08:05.27 | f1shhead | agaffney that little b/w nokia one |
| 08:05.32 | agaffney | the one from the nokia 3310? |
| 08:05.38 | agaffney | where is it $5? |
| 08:05.41 | f1shhead | yes |
| 08:05.43 | f1shhead | google |
| 08:05.58 | f1shhead | $4.27 actually |
| 08:06.19 | ohsix | plus, they sell them |
| 08:07.00 | agaffney | http://us.i-phone.org/main/product.php?prod=442&ref=froogle |
| 08:07.07 | agaffney | I assume that is what you're looking at |
| 08:07.32 | f1shhead | no I am looking at porn |
| 08:07.36 | f1shhead | wtf do you think I am looking at |
| 08:07.39 | f1shhead | :p |
| 08:08.47 | f1shhead | wow |
| 08:08.54 | f1shhead | nokia must be going wtf? |
| 08:09.01 | f1shhead | all the orders for that lcd :) |
| 08:09.16 | agaffney | if it can be driven by parallel, I assume it can be driven by serial as well |
| 08:09.28 | f1shhead | hmm mabye |
| 08:09.38 | ohsix | not without a gobetween |
| 08:09.44 | f1shhead | if you can get the data rate fast enough |
| 08:09.46 | f1shhead | yeah |
| 08:09.49 | ohsix | serial = data pin + clock pin |
| 08:09.56 | f1shhead | agaffney go usb to parallel |
| 08:10.07 | f1shhead | as far as most projects and linux is concerned |
| 08:10.14 | f1shhead | it's is a real parallel port |
| 08:10.15 | ohsix | which means you need to toggle two bits at a time to do the work |
| 08:10.44 | ohsix | you could use the flow control pins, but it wouldn't really be using the serial port part of the serial port |
| 08:10.52 | agaffney | f1shhead: it could be driven by usb? |
| 08:10.58 | f1shhead | dude |
| 08:11.01 | f1shhead | what did I just tel you |
| 08:11.10 | f1shhead | most decentparalle to usb bridge chips |
| 08:11.13 | ohsix | usb is complicated in comparison :P |
| 08:11.19 | f1shhead | look 100% |
| 08:11.26 | f1shhead | like /dev/lp0 |
| 08:11.39 | f1shhead | I see those for $10 now |
| 08:11.52 | agaffney | it would probably help if I knew how serial and parallel worked |
| 08:11.59 | f1shhead | so you can just setup all your wiring and software like it was a real parallel port |
| 08:12.10 | ohsix | agaffney: most all of the things you see on a parallel port is just using it as cheesy ttl i/o |
| 08:12.17 | f1shhead | same with serial |
| 08:12.27 | f1shhead | and using this usb bridge |
| 08:12.36 | f1shhead | a) you would only need 1 pci slot in the ppc |
| 08:12.40 | f1shhead | for the usb card |
| 08:12.49 | f1shhead | usb allows up to 127 devices per port |
| 08:12.53 | ohsix | i'm putting everything on usb |
| 08:12.53 | agaffney | f1shhead: so it would be plugged into usb but wired like parallen on the LCD and treated as parallel on the software side |
| 08:12.54 | f1shhead | using hubs |
| 08:13.02 | f1shhead | exactely |
| 08:13.05 | f1shhead | :) |
| 08:13.17 | f1shhead | as long as linux has a driver for the usb bridge chip |
| 08:13.18 | agaffney | ok, I figured that much already :) |
| 08:13.25 | f1shhead | once that is initted |
| 08:13.28 | agaffney | that's what I meant by "it can be driven by usb?" |
| 08:13.34 | ohsix | except you're really just using some pins to serially clocl data to the lcd |
| 08:13.40 | f1shhead | you get a /dev/entyr like it was the real tin |
| 08:14.00 | agaffney | right, I know how a USB->serial works |
| 08:14.05 | agaffney | on the software side |
| 08:14.12 | ohsix | btw microchip has 20 pin pdip mcus with usb |
| 08:14.15 | ohsix | stock up :P |
| 08:14.22 | f1shhead | well I didn't know this tllecentely |
| 08:14.31 | f1shhead | ohsix yeah but you got to program them and stuff |
| 08:14.40 | ohsix | easy |
| 08:15.08 | ohsix | all my periphs are going to be HID |
| 08:15.18 | agaffney | so you just push a whole new screen contents to update the LCD? |
| 08:15.19 | ohsix | huhuhuhu hid is the bomb for real |
| 08:15.21 | f1shhead | yeah well someday I will get to that level |
| 08:15.25 | f1shhead | for now |
| 08:15.30 | f1shhead | I will use bridge |
| 08:15.39 | ohsix | agaffney: yep, it has onboard memory to hold it between updates |
| 08:15.58 | f1shhead | yeah any lcd with a controller does |
| 08:16.08 | f1shhead | you don't want to mess with controllerless lcd's |
| 08:16.09 | f1shhead | :P |
| 08:16.26 | f1shhead | cause you gotta smack many voltages on each pin |
| 08:16.30 | f1shhead | in a sequence etc etc etc |
| 08:16.31 | agaffney | I'll probably get 4 in case I fsck 'em up :P |
| 08:16.34 | f1shhead | very painful :) |
| 08:16.52 | agaffney | and I could always use one for the efika |
| 08:17.21 | f1shhead | going to get those model #'s toarro |
| 08:17.24 | f1shhead | off the phones |
| 08:17.29 | f1shhead | find out what lcd's they have |
| 08:17.47 | f1shhead | I have a ton of character lcd's too |
| 08:17.53 | f1shhead | I should start playing with those |
| 08:17.56 | f1shhead | small steps |
| 08:18.00 | f1shhead | gotta tell myself |
| 08:18.46 | agaffney | http://mobilessearch.com/index.php?id=119163 |
| 08:18.55 | agaffney | I guess I'd want something like that to hook it up |
| 08:19.04 | f1shhead | www.lcdinfo.com |
| 08:19.09 | f1shhead | both of you |
| 08:19.13 | f1shhead | these guys |
| 08:19.20 | f1shhead | find lcd's from everything under the sun |
| 08:19.23 | f1shhead | cell phonset |
| 08:19.33 | f1shhead | and try to map out the interface |
| 08:22.48 | ohsix | http://simpletech.com/oem/zeus/index.php |
| 08:23.41 | f1shhead | yeah saw some of that earlier |
| 08:26.27 | f1shhead | OMG |
| 08:26.38 | f1shhead | the caymen |
| 08:26.42 | f1shhead | doesn't it have a usb port ? |
| 08:26.46 | agaffney | how much do those drives cost? |
| 08:27.10 | f1shhead | agaffney YOU CAN get other solutions way cheap |
| 08:27.14 | f1shhead | cf to ide is only $11 |
| 08:27.19 | agaffney | oh, I know |
| 08:27.22 | agaffney | I'm just curious |
| 08:27.24 | f1shhead | that is an industral module |
| 08:27.37 | agaffney | I've already got 2 CF->IDE adapters |
| 08:27.38 | f1shhead | designed to be shit kicked 24/7 |
| 08:28.40 | agaffney | 2:39...I think it's my bed time |
| 08:28.52 | agaffney | 'night |
| 08:28.57 | f1shhead | yeah me too |
| 08:29.00 | f1shhead | thx ohsix |
| 08:29.07 | ohsix | 256gb of flash is going to be like 6k+ |
| 08:29.12 | ohsix | easy |
| 08:30.10 | ohsix | in single units |
| 08:31.13 | ohsix | <3microchips 18pin ethernet controllers |
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| 11:54.43 | f1shhead | hahahaha |
| 11:54.59 | f1shhead | thomas crown affair is just a beautiful movie |
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| 13:10.35 | Chocobo | f1shhead, please tell me you got _some_ sleep. |
| 13:35.16 | Chocobo | Wow, I want one of these! http://meshcube.org/index_e.html |
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| 14:44.34 | sunrunner20 | f1shhead: language rember.... |
| 14:46.25 | Chocobo | hmmm |
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| 15:39.38 | Chocobo | too much talking! |
| 15:57.43 | agaffney | ok, wtf |
| 15:57.49 | agaffney | distcc isn't distributing |
| 16:01.16 | Chocobo | sounds like it's primary function isn't working. |
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| 16:11.29 | prpplague | holly cow |
| 16:11.38 | prpplague | got a nice crew in here these days |
| 16:13.48 | agaffney | localhost pkg # cat /etc/distcc/hosts |
| 16:13.49 | agaffney | 192.168.0.10/3 localhost/1 |
| 16:13.49 | agaffney | localhost pkg # /usr/lib/distcc/bin/powerpc-pc-linux-uclibc-gcc |
| 16:13.49 | agaffney | powerpc-pc-linux-uclibc-gcc: no input files |
| 16:13.49 | agaffney | distcc[12130] ERROR: compile (null) on localhost failed |
| 16:13.51 | agaffney | grr |
| 16:14.03 | agaffney | why is it trying to distribute to localhost?!?! |
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| 16:16.20 | prpplague | HOLY COW, the pixter-mm has a lh79524!!!! |
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| 16:20.42 | prpplague | Chocobo: glad to see you came back to the channel |
| 16:20.52 | prpplague | Chocobo: sorry about some of the crap that was going on before |
| 16:20.58 | prpplague | Chocobo: trying to police that more |
| 16:21.41 | prpplague | later folks |
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| 16:34.38 | agaffney | ok, wtf |
| 16:34.52 | agaffney | strace shows that distcc isn't even looking at DISTCC_HOSTS or /etc/distcc/hosts |
| 16:43.42 | Chocobo | What did I miss? I didn't think anything bad happened. |
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| 17:18.27 | f1shhead | . |
| 17:24.29 | agaffney | JoseJX: I just noticed 'Your random numbers are not that random.' in my perl build |
| 18:06.14 | JoseJX | agaffney: I found this, but haven't had a chance to try it yet: http://www.gumstix.org/tikiwiki/tiki-index.php?page=UserPageawma |
| 18:08.41 | f1shhead | those are neat |
| 18:13.25 | JoseJX | f1shhead: Yeah, but I'm more interested in fixing the perl error agaffney has above atm. :) |
| 18:23.18 | f1shhead | me either |
| 18:23.24 | f1shhead | I might sell off my juicebox to make some $$$$ |
| 18:23.28 | f1shhead | too small for me to work on anyways |
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| 18:35.00 | sunrunner20 | so |
| 18:35.07 | sunrunner20 | do we know what flash is compatable w/ JB? |
| 18:35.32 | f1shhead | for the cart hack |
| 18:35.36 | f1shhead | or direct rom replacement |
| 18:35.41 | sunrunner20 | rom replacement |
| 18:35.46 | f1shhead | yes check the wiki |
| 18:36.04 | f1shhead | it's a 29xxx series standard flash rom but it's a special low voltage part |
| 18:36.27 | f1shhead | NOR BTW |
| 18:36.35 | f1shhead | roms always have to be nor |
| 18:36.42 | f1shhead | unless the device has direct nand booting support |
| 18:36.52 | sunrunner20 | which the SoC does |
| 18:36.54 | f1shhead | NOR looks like a ram/rom chip so it can be booted from |
| 18:37.06 | f1shhead | no it doesn't |
| 18:37.16 | f1shhead | it has bootloader code in the NOR to boot from nand :P |
| 18:37.30 | sunrunner20 | the soc hardware |
| 18:37.35 | sunrunner20 | last time i checked it could |
| 18:37.44 | f1shhead | I could be wrong :P |
| 18:45.13 | joe_bleau | sunrunner20: I don't think the S3C44B0X (used in the JB) even has an onboard boot rom for serial bootstrapping, much less a NAND flash boot option. Sorry. |
| 18:45.55 | sunrunner20 | meh |
| 18:47.10 | sunrunner20 | if you boot from a cart can you modify the onboard flash? |
| 18:47.20 | sunrunner20 | wait |
| 18:47.22 | sunrunner20 | its HOW |
| 18:47.22 | joe_bleau | Stock JB has no onboard flash |
| 18:47.34 | sunrunner20 | it will when i'm done with it.... |
| 18:47.37 | sunrunner20 | :p |
| 18:48.06 | joe_bleau | Then I guess it all depends on how you write your bootloader, doesn't it? |
| 18:48.12 | joe_bleau | If you allow it to boot the cart, sure, why not? |
| 18:48.45 | sunrunner20 | you can also load up whatever via JTAG can't you? |
| 18:48.49 | f1shhead | yes |
| 18:48.50 | f1shhead | sun |
| 18:48.59 | f1shhead | the jb uses the rom bootloader to jump to flash |
| 18:48.59 | sunrunner20 | i've forgotten all this... |
| 18:49.04 | f1shhead | it can't boot native nand on it's own |
| 18:49.48 | joe_bleau | sunrunner20: are you going to program the flash before you solder it to the JB? |
| 18:49.49 | f1shhead | how the hell does anything know to boot to rom anyways |
| 18:50.01 | f1shhead | do they hard wire the cpu's to jump to some address and then make the rom lines fixed there |
| 18:50.07 | f1shhead | I know x86 does |
| 18:50.10 | sunrunner20 | f1shhead: the cpu knows to go to address xx when it boots |
| 18:50.30 | krisskross | JMP! |
| 18:50.33 | krisskross | ASM WILL MAKE YA |
| 18:50.34 | krisskross | JMP! |
| 18:50.39 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 18:50.42 | sunrunner20 | i rember that.... |
| 18:51.46 | sunrunner20 | oh |
| 18:51.54 | sunrunner20 | is that Meg bytes or bits for ram... |
| 18:52.10 | f1shhead | depends what the manu mean't |
| 18:52.21 | sunrunner20 | on the hardware page |
| 18:52.38 | f1shhead | it has a 8 meg rom |
| 18:52.41 | f1shhead | OTP |
| 18:53.12 | sunrunner20 | the ram |
| 18:53.20 | f1shhead | 2 or 4 meg |
| 18:53.23 | sunrunner20 | it has ram, all the spec page gives is M |
| 18:53.26 | sunrunner20 | M is worthless |
| 18:53.30 | sunrunner20 | you need MB or Mb |
| 18:53.36 | f1shhead | MEGABYTE |
| 18:57.37 | joe_bleau | Better? |
| 18:57.47 | sunrunner20 | yea... |
| 18:58.57 | joe_bleau | My JB has sat for months, but I've had two project ideas for it in the last week or so. Maybe I'll get back into it. |
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| 19:13.50 | f1shhead | <f1shhead> OMG |
| 19:13.51 | f1shhead | [14:13] <f1shhead> i found a old vlb video card with the vesa ADVANCED feature connector |
| 19:13.51 | f1shhead | [14:13] <f1shhead> I bet I can get more than 16 or 256 colors with the lcd hack off this :) |
| 19:13.51 | f1shhead | [14:13] <f1shhead> woot |
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| 19:17.12 | f1shhead | omg |
| 19:17.39 | f1shhead | think I found a pci card with what I need :) |
| 19:21.01 | f1shhead | where the hell is prpplague |
| 19:21.17 | f1shhead | prpplague when you read this log, please message me, I got some stuff I need to ask |
| 19:39.41 | f1shhead | http://forum.lcdinfo.com/viewtopic.php?t=705 |
| 20:06.10 | agaffney | JoseJX: that perl/uclibc thing is interesting, but the lack of output from /dev/random also concerns me. also, do you get the error about no methods to access the hardware clock? |
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| 20:22.40 | r2d2 | /dev/random is quiet on a lot of systems, wouldn't surprise me an embedded board doesn't have as much entropy |
| 20:22.51 | r2d2 | i forget if network activity adds to the pool by default these days |
| 20:24.08 | f1shhead | I think they dumped that one |
| 20:24.11 | f1shhead | cause it should be polluted |
| 20:24.14 | f1shhead | could |
| 20:30.19 | agaffney | my perl build looks like it's spinning out of control |
| 20:30.36 | agaffney | it gets to 28 levels of make and gets killed my the kernel for OOM |
| 20:30.53 | agaffney | s:my:by: |
| 20:36.01 | f1shhead | ok |
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| 20:36.26 | f1shhead | laptop lcd to vesa advanced feature connector hacking looks very painful with 80 wires |
| 20:36.31 | Chocobo | yeeehaaa |
| 20:36.39 | f1shhead | so I think I will stick to the normal hack for now with 26 |
| 20:36.48 | f1shhead | even if it's only 16 or 256 colors :P |
| 20:37.45 | f1shhead | not even sure that the advanced feature connector is backwards compatible |
| 20:43.49 | agaffney | damn! |
| 20:43.52 | agaffney | it doesn't like it |
| 20:44.03 | agaffney | it won't get past the memory detection on initialization |
| 20:45.18 | agaffney | what type of memory *can* be used? |
| 20:48.41 | f1shhead | hey |
| 20:48.45 | f1shhead | how many chips on the 256 |
| 20:49.06 | agaffney | 16 |
| 20:49.14 | agaffney | there's also 16 on the 128MB that I'm using right now |
| 20:49.51 | JoseJX | agaffney: It happens on my PegII, so it's not /dev/random related. |
| 20:50.06 | JoseJX | agaffney: (/dev/random works fine on the PegII...) |
| 20:50.14 | JoseJX | agaffney: So I think it might be uClibc thing |
| 20:50.34 | f1shhead | good |
| 20:50.36 | agaffney | if this is a known bug in uclibc, why hasn't it been fixed? :P |
| 20:50.39 | f1shhead | 16 256's are the best |
| 20:50.42 | f1shhead | they work in the most boards |
| 20:50.51 | f1shhead | in fact most of my PII boards will only take 16 chip 256's |
| 20:50.57 | f1shhead | cause the rest are high density and won't work |
| 20:51.05 | agaffney | the 128MB that doesn't work is also 16 chip |
| 20:51.09 | f1shhead | I can also only use 8 or 16 chip 128's |
| 20:51.25 | JoseJX | agaffney: I'm sure they'll accept patches... :p |
| 20:52.05 | agaffney | JoseJX: I can't get python or perl to rebuild |
| 20:52.13 | agaffney | python segfaults at the same point each time |
| 20:52.24 | agaffney | and perl seems to spin out of control and eat up available memory until the kernel kills it |
| 20:54.10 | agaffney | unless it's *supposed* to recurse into the same directory 28 times |
| 20:54.21 | agaffney | while building the 'miniperl' target |
| 20:54.21 | JoseJX | Dunno. I won't have time to look at it until middle of next week. :p |
| 20:54.43 | agaffney | JoseJX: I got vapier to upload the new ppc uclibc stages |
| 20:55.17 | agaffney | d.g.o/~vapier/uclibc/ |
| 20:55.34 | JoseJX | I'll have to take a look |
| 20:55.47 | agaffney | he has hard- and soft- float versions |
| 20:55.50 | agaffney | these are the soft |
| 20:56.04 | JoseJX | Cool |
| 20:56.05 | agaffney | actually, it looks like he put up both |
| 20:56.11 | agaffney | just stage3 |
| 21:01.46 | Chocobo | mmm bacon pizza |
| 21:09.41 | joe_bleau | agaffney: if you're running into memory compatibility problems, it'd be helpful to add that info to the Wiki |
| 21:09.53 | joe_bleau | Be sure and include the timestamp of your bootloader, too. |
| 21:13.54 | agaffney | where on the wiki? |
| 21:14.29 | f1shhead | prpp set it |
| 21:14.32 | f1shhead | I guess he likes you |
| 21:14.43 | f1shhead | so now you owe me for the ppc, bringing you here and getting you ops |
| 21:14.46 | f1shhead | :P |
| 21:14.47 | f1shhead | j/k |
| 21:15.57 | joe_bleau | DHT Walnut page, or you could make a subpage. |
| 21:16.36 | agaffney | we need a page of "Hardware Known to Work" |
| 21:17.04 | joe_bleau | Sounds great. |
| 21:17.20 | agaffney | although, I really have no idea what the difference is between the 128MB that works and the one that doesn't |
| 21:17.39 | joe_bleau | Same chips? |
| 21:17.50 | agaffney | u-boot will recognize half the stick like it should, but "DRAM: 128MB" or "DRAM: 64MB" is the last thing u-boot outputs |
| 21:17.53 | agaffney | joe_bleau: eh, probably not |
| 21:20.54 | f1shhead | omg I am smarter than I think |
| 21:20.54 | f1shhead | :) |
| 21:21.05 | f1shhead | cool! |
| 21:21.59 | f1shhead | see the old furnace has just a pvc exhaust pipe and it was relocated to a new one when the porch was put in in the back |
| 21:22.11 | f1shhead | but the old pipe was still there it just is flush with the cement floor |
| 21:22.20 | f1shhead | and you really don't want to pump exhust into a porch |
| 21:22.44 | f1shhead | the newer furnace needs outside intake not just exhaust so we reused the old pipe in the porch as the intake |
| 21:23.02 | f1shhead | problem is being flush with the floor if there is ever a spilled drink etc |
| 21:23.09 | f1shhead | it's going right into the furnace |
| 21:23.27 | f1shhead | so I am thinking in the basement |
| 21:23.30 | f1shhead | cut the pipe |
| 21:24.02 | f1shhead | put in a T-CONNECTOR and have the hole in the middle of that connector point down and attach a 3 foot pipe to that connector with a cap on the bottom |
| 21:24.11 | f1shhead | so if any liquid comes it it will fall into the pipe |
| 21:33.39 | f1shhead | this old cell sucks |
| 21:33.47 | f1shhead | you remove the sim and it won't even start |
| 21:41.59 | agaffney | http://elinux.org/wiki/DHT-Walnut-Known-Working-Hardware |
| 21:42.10 | agaffney | that's what *I* know works with the board |
| 21:42.26 | agaffney | add anything else that is known to work |
| 21:43.57 | joe_bleau | Stuff that doesn't work is good to know as well |
| 21:47.13 | f1shhead | yeAH well if I never get my shit together |
| 21:47.17 | f1shhead | I will try to test stuff for you guys |
| 21:47.21 | f1shhead | sorry :/ |
| 21:49.02 | agaffney | joe_bleau: yeah, getting to that :P |
| 21:50.02 | f1shhead | I swear |
| 21:50.08 | f1shhead | I asm going to put up a sign in front yard |
| 21:50.16 | f1shhead | "I will take all pda's and cell phones" |
| 21:51.37 | joe_bleau | Sorry agaffney, didn't mean to punch your buttons. I'll shut up now. |
| 21:51.52 | agaffney | o_O |
| 21:52.04 | agaffney | I wasn't annoyed or anything :P |
| 21:52.07 | agaffney | I already added it |
| 21:52.47 | f1shhead | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.57 | f1shhead | lcd looks controllerless on this cell :/ |
| 21:54.23 | f1shhead | no wait |
| 21:54.32 | f1shhead | w00t |
| 21:55.16 | *** part/#edev joe_bleau (n=joe_blea@adsl-65-70-230-62.dsl.fyvlar.swbell.net) |
| 21:55.50 | agaffney | anyone know what type of memory the board (and u-boot) does and doesn't like? |
| 21:56.36 | f1shhead | did you guys read what that other hacker said about the board |
| 21:56.40 | f1shhead | and cas2 vs cas3 |
| 21:57.50 | agaffney | I vaguely remember it |
| 21:57.51 | agaffney | where was it/ |
| 21:58.09 | agaffney | ? |
| 21:58.14 | *** join/#edev joe_bleau (n=joe_blea@ppp-69-154-118-239.dsl.fyvlar.swbell.net) |
| 21:58.51 | f1shhead | should be a link in the wiki |
| 22:00.07 | agaffney | not that I see |
| 22:01.52 | f1shhead | give me 5 mins |
| 22:04.27 | f1shhead | http://supernova.stanford.edu/dingdong/dingdong_bootup.pdf |
| 22:05.43 | agaffney | that could be inaccurate |
| 22:05.53 | agaffney | ppcboot couldn't handle the double-sided memory sticks at all |
| 22:05.56 | agaffney | where u-boot can |
| 22:06.22 | *** join/#edev StoneCydh (n=john@ppp-71-136-172-20.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 22:06.24 | agaffney | so the CL 2 vs. 3 may just be a guess |
| 22:11.05 | f1shhead | I know but thought you should have all the angles in case :P |
| 22:12.44 | *** join/#edev redblue (i=star@ppp223.110-253-207.mtl.mt.videotron.ca) |
| 22:15.31 | f1shhead | I think I might try 2x dosage of my paxil tomarrow |
| 22:15.53 | f1shhead | see if it cripples the anxienty/ocd that has kept me talking about projects and never actually doing any |
| 22:17.32 | f1shhead | sick of this game |
| 22:30.59 | agaffney | f1shhead: I don't have anxiety problems or OCD, and I constantly start projects that I don't finish :P |
| 22:38.37 | f1shhead | thx :D |
| 22:41.33 | f1shhead | hmm |
| 22:41.37 | f1shhead | this phone might be avr based |
| 22:43.05 | f1shhead | also freaking like cartel you can't even google for phone codes |
| 22:43.34 | f1shhead | 8 pins on the lcd |
| 23:16.58 | sunrunner20 | f1shhead: try 1.5 |
| 23:27.48 | f1shhead | ? |
| 23:28.02 | f1shhead | oh the pill |
| 23:28.19 | f1shhead | this sucks I went to circuit city to find out my extended warrenty # |
| 23:28.25 | f1shhead | and the one they gave me is invalid |