| 00:01.58 | overseer | doesn't sound good (pun intended) |
| 00:02.17 | agaffney | pfft |
| 00:02.56 | agaffney | the VFS error isn't really related to the I/O error on the alsa device |
| 00:05.34 | agaffney | I think that's NFS just not liking me |
| 00:05.36 | overseer | it's still an unusual error |
| 00:05.45 | overseer | oh, nfs! |
| 00:05.51 | agaffney | this is nfsroot |
| 00:05.53 | overseer | _that_ lock manager |
| 00:06.14 | agaffney | /dev is on tmpfs, so that's not related |
| 00:06.21 | overseer | any brits here? - i want a phone that only UK'ers can purchase |
| 00:07.24 | overseer | http://tinyurl.com/k97n5 |
| 00:13.36 | agaffney | lovely, kernel oops |
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| 01:30.27 | agaffney | hmm, the walnut should be able to handle decoding a 128kbps MP3, right? |
| 01:31.39 | agaffney | I couldn't play with the alsa ens1371 driver because it kept timing out waiting for audio |
| 01:32.09 | agaffney | and with the oss ens1371 driver, it "plays", but I don't get any sound, and mpg321 shows only 10 seconds of decoded audio after 20 seconds |
| 01:36.32 | agaffney | although, when I use WAV output from mpg321, I get 41 seconds of decoded audio in 41 seconds |
| 01:41.44 | agaffney | [1:03] Decoding of train - drops of jupiter.mp3 finished. |
| 01:41.44 | agaffney | real2m7.282s |
| 01:41.53 | agaffney | it's pretty much 1/2 speed |
| 01:42.22 | agaffney | so it can decode find (as shown by the WAV output) |
| 01:42.32 | agaffney | but the sound driver can't take it in fast enough :/ |
| 01:58.45 | agaffney | anyone have any ideas? |
| 01:58.58 | agaffney | does anyone else have audio output working with the walnut? |
| 02:09.52 | GPSFan | agaffney: I have cross compiled madplay and mpd (which uses libmad) and have both play fine using my usb2 pci card and an el cheapo usb audio device. |
| 02:10.26 | agaffney | hmm |
| 02:10.57 | GPSFan | they are using oss emulation with the kernel 2.6.16-rc3 kernel. |
| 02:11.36 | agaffney | I've had problems with both the alsa and oss ens1371 driver in 2.6.15 |
| 02:13.32 | GPSFan | hmm, once I fiured out which /dev/ to use, and found out that the elcleapo sound device didn't have any mixer support. it decodes fine. My 90MHz Zipit can "almost" decode 128kbit mp3's in real time, at 266MHz the DHT shouldn't have any trouble. |
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| 02:15.37 | agaffney | yeah, it's decoding just fine |
| 02:15.46 | agaffney | it looks to be something weird with the audio driver/device |
| 02:16.51 | GPSFan | does it use dma? |
| 02:17.19 | agaffney | possibly |
| 02:17.26 | agaffney | hmm |
| 02:17.38 | GPSFan | are you running the uboot botloader? |
| 02:17.41 | agaffney | yes |
| 02:18.57 | GPSFan | I wonder does your hdd interface work ok with dma enabled? |
| 02:19.17 | agaffney | I don't have a /proc/dma |
| 02:20.01 | GPSFan | what does hdparm -d /dev/hda report? |
| 02:20.17 | agaffney | I don't have any IDE devices |
| 02:20.28 | agaffney | only my IDE->CF adapter, but it doesn't have a card in it |
| 02:20.32 | agaffney | I'm running off nfsroot |
| 02:20.51 | agaffney | # CONFIG_PPC4xx_DMA is not set |
| 02:20.54 | agaffney | I bet that's important |
| 02:20.57 | GPSFan | ah then you wouldn't know if dma was working or not, are you comfortable with re-flashing your board? |
| 02:21.17 | GPSFan | oh!! that may be important ;>) |
| 02:21.19 | agaffney | first I'll see if recompiling the kernel with that option enabled helps :P |
| 02:21.28 | GPSFan | yeah do that. |
| 02:21.40 | agaffney | it wasn't enabld in that sample 2.6.15 .config on the wiki |
| 02:22.02 | agaffney | 405gp linux # grep -i dma ../config.2.6.15.4-walnut-df4 |
| 02:22.02 | agaffney | # CONFIG_PPC4xx_DMA is not set |
| 02:22.09 | agaffney | someone may want to update that :P |
| 02:22.15 | GPSFan | well, looking at my .config, it isn't set either, and my dma works fine. |
| 02:22.20 | agaffney | hmm |
| 02:23.13 | agaffney | if this doesn't work, how will reflashing my board help? |
| 02:24.17 | GPSFan | maybe, when jbevren and I were debugging the dma for the hdd, I found that it wasn't properly enabled by ppcboot1.1.6. I fixed it in my ppcboot. but don't know if dfarnsworth did. |
| 02:24.58 | GPSFan | the kernel sssumes that the bootloader has set up the pci host bridge correctly. |
| 02:25.09 | GPSFan | s/sssumes/assumes. |
| 02:25.48 | agaffney | I'm using uboot-1.1.4 |
| 02:26.24 | agaffney | u-boot-1.1.4-df2.bin from the wiki |
| 02:26.31 | GPSFan | yeah, that is the latest rev. ppcboot evolved into uboot when the dev's added support for lots of non ppc boards. |
| 02:26.41 | agaffney | right |
| 02:27.29 | GPSFan | I haven't dug into uboots source deeply enough to know if they fixed the hostbridge setup that was broken in ppcboot 1.1.6 |
| 02:30.31 | GPSFan | agaffney: I did the ppcboot 1.1.6 work, dfarnsworth did the uboot 1.1.4 work. we haven't compared notes as to what he fixed vs what I fixed. |
| 02:41.17 | agaffney | just waiting for the kernel to figure out that it doesn't have anything else left to build :P |
| 02:44.06 | GPSFan | k |
| 02:44.30 | agaffney | there it is...finishing up now |
| 02:45.21 | agaffney | rebooting the system |
| 02:45.26 | GPSFan | agaffney: if this doesn't work, do you have a hdd that you could attach to see if dma works? |
| 02:45.41 | agaffney | probably |
| 02:46.02 | agaffney | booting the new kernel |
| 02:48.52 | agaffney | still no /proc/dma |
| 02:49.43 | agaffney | [0:06] Decoding of train - drops of jupiter.mp3 finished. |
| 02:49.44 | agaffney | real0m12.898s |
| 02:49.48 | agaffney | that doesn't bode well |
| 02:50.08 | agaffney | would the IDE->CF adapter work for the test? |
| 02:50.12 | agaffney | or do I need an actual HD? |
| 02:50.24 | agaffney | I can borrow the card from my wife's camera |
| 02:51.13 | GPSFan | probably not, btw I don't have a /proc/dma either. |
| 02:51.19 | agaffney | hmm, ok |
| 02:56.57 | agaffney | booting |
| 03:00.01 | GPSFan | agaffney: when jbevren did this with a non-working dma, he corrupted the hdd after trying to write, so don't. |
| 03:00.16 | agaffney | I'm not worried about the data on it |
| 03:00.25 | agaffney | bah, no hdparm |
| 03:02.36 | agaffney | 405gp ~ # hdparm -d /dev/hda |
| 03:02.36 | agaffney | /dev/hda: using_dma = 1 (on) |
| 03:04.08 | agaffney | GPSFan: so what does that tell you? |
| 03:04.43 | GPSFan | all that means is that the /proc setting is enabled, try reading or hdparm -tT /dev/hda1 to test. |
| 03:05.38 | GPSFan | try the hdparm -tT /dev/hda1 with dma turned off and see if the results are different. |
| 03:06.37 | agaffney | k |
| 03:07.32 | agaffney | no real difference in the cached reads |
| 03:07.42 | agaffney | but a major difference in the buffered read |
| 03:07.49 | agaffney | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.49 | agaffney | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.54 | agaffney | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.54 | agaffney | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.57 | ohsix | y helo |
| 03:08.56 | agaffney | so it looks like dma really is enabled |
| 03:09.04 | agaffney | hello ohsix |
| 03:09.07 | GPSFan | the cached reads will be the same, the buffered disk reads are what is important, you dma seems to be working, 3:1 difference |
| 03:09.36 | GPSFan | agaffney: the critical test is writing, if both reads & writes work then you are ok. |
| 03:10.03 | GPSFan | that may not solve your audio problem, but it eliminates one step. |
| 03:12.21 | agaffney | I don't suppose hdparm has a write test :P |
| 03:12.36 | GPSFan | agaffney: dont think som |
| 03:12.47 | GPSFan | s/som/so |
| 03:12.51 | ohsix | pv, dd, md5sum |
| 03:12.54 | ohsix | :P |
| 03:13.05 | agaffney | just write anything? |
| 03:13.13 | agaffney | or do I need to test the speed? |
| 03:13.32 | ohsix | pv will display the speed |
| 03:13.41 | agaffney | don't have pv |
| 03:14.05 | ohsix | app-misc/pv-0.8.1 |
| 03:14.12 | agaffney | yeah, emerging it now |
| 03:14.29 | ohsix | its handy |
| 03:14.38 | ohsix | netcat/dd/pv |
| 03:14.41 | ohsix | trifecta |
| 03:14.49 | agaffney | I concur with the first 2 |
| 03:19.06 | agaffney | I'm showing the same write speed with and without dma enabled with 'dd if=/dev/zero | pv -r | dd of=/dev/hda' |
| 03:19.24 | agaffney | between 700K/s and 1.3M/s |
| 03:20.07 | ohsix | you can do pv < /dev/zero > /dev/hda too |
| 03:20.46 | ohsix | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.47 | ohsix | :D |
| 03:20.52 | agaffney | that's considerably faster |
| 03:21.03 | ohsix | yep, dd reads in bitesize chunks |
| 03:21.24 | agaffney | still about the same speed |
| 03:21.28 | agaffney | just ~5M/s this time |
| 03:21.54 | ohsix | how fast is /dev/zero -> /dev/null? |
| 03:23.20 | GPSFan | agaffney: but it writes without corrupting the disk? |
| 03:25.20 | agaffney | ohsix: 1.35GB/s |
| 03:25.28 | ohsix | nice |
| 03:25.32 | agaffney | GPSFan: well, I didn't have any filesystems on there to begin with |
| 03:30.33 | GPSFan | agaffney: you might want to ask jbevren about his experiences with the broken dma. I think there were lots of timeouts and general badness reported in error messages as well. |
| 03:30.49 | agaffney | dmesg is clean |
| 03:31.05 | GPSFan | if you don't have any nasty looking error messages while writing with dma on, you are probably ok. |
| 03:31.10 | agaffney | I'm going to go out on a limb and say that dma is fine |
| 03:31.49 | ohsix | you can build alsa-driver with debugging info and activate it at modprobe time |
| 03:32.18 | agaffney | the in-kernel alsa was oopsing |
| 03:32.21 | agaffney | after a few rounds trying to write to it |
| 03:32.24 | GPSFan | agaffney: I'd agree. |
| 03:32.36 | ohsix | dontforget to unmute the device too :P |
| 03:33.47 | ohsix | did you add -msoft-float to your use-flags or are you using in-kernel emulation? |
| 03:34.04 | ohsix | er, -use flags, +cflags |
| 03:34.23 | agaffney | ohsix: in-kernel |
| 03:34.28 | ohsix | because if you're using -msoft-float you can load ppcperflib without changing the application |
| 03:34.29 | agaffney | and the device was unmutes |
| 03:34.29 | ohsix | oic |
| 03:34.46 | ohsix | in kernel is extreeeemely slow, even slower than soft floats |
| 03:35.01 | ohsix | and ppcperflib is 300% faster than soft floats in most cases |
| 03:35.19 | agaffney | unless the ens1371 driver does a ton of fp ops, that's not the issue |
| 03:35.26 | ohsix | right |
| 03:35.34 | ohsix | it would'nt, in the kernel anyways |
| 03:35.46 | ohsix | but the players might |
| 03:35.55 | agaffney | mpg321 can decode the audio just fine |
| 03:36.05 | agaffney | it's just when it writes to the audio device that it gets screwy |
| 03:36.23 | ohsix | are you using udev or did you strip all the base stuff out? |
| 03:37.09 | ohsix | i've had weird issues like that with alsa, and oss when it doesn't have the right info for the address of the cards registers |
| 03:37.24 | ohsix | and ESPECIALLY, with es1371 in general |
| 03:37.45 | ohsix | in windows and in linux, the one i have has, in big sharpy-text, 'do not use' |
| 03:37.50 | ohsix | i didn't have the heart to throw it away |
| 03:40.12 | agaffney | I've got a es1370 coming |
| 03:40.17 | agaffney | maybe I'll have better luck with it |
| 03:40.31 | agaffney | this es1371 has always worked well in windows and linux in my workstation |
| 03:41.05 | ohsix | it was always problematic for me |
| 03:41.18 | ohsix | its not very pci friendly, its very finiky |
| 03:41.30 | ohsix | finicky? |
| 03:41.39 | ohsix | huhu |
| 03:41.40 | agaffney | the second, I think |
| 03:42.03 | ohsix | the kt133 it was in, it was the cause for all my computer woes |
| 03:42.23 | ohsix | the kt133 sucked, but it was the card that was making it bluescreen all the time |
| 03:42.58 | ohsix | and then it ended up in a k6 machine i have, in linux, the pci stuff showed itself again, not with bluescreens or oopses, just extremely strange nonworking behaviour |
| 03:45.57 | ohsix | creative really dropped the ball a while ago |
| 03:46.04 | ohsix | soundblaster brand used to be the king |
| 04:07.34 | jbevren | kt133 has pci issues |
| 04:07.37 | jbevren | kt133a doesnt |
| 04:07.38 | jbevren | :) |
| 04:10.56 | agaffney | I've got a board with the former |
| 04:11.11 | agaffney | it was my workstation before this 4200+ |
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| 04:51.14 | joe_bleau | I now have three LEDs under program control on the MPC850 based Cayman router |
| 04:54.54 | jbevren | cool |
| 04:55.01 | jbevren | I havent heard much about your work on it |
| 04:55.03 | jbevren | how's it coming? |
| 04:56.43 | joe_bleau | Very slowly...haven't been putting in enough time |
| 04:57.07 | joe_bleau | I've got the flash dumped, SMC (uart) TX is working, and now the three LEDs |
| 04:57.17 | joe_bleau | (Two of which I added today) |
| 04:57.29 | joe_bleau | Found the watchdog disable jumper--very important |
| 04:57.38 | jbevren | cool |
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| 04:57.48 | joe_bleau | I guess my next big stumbling block is the SDRAM config |
| 04:58.06 | joe_bleau | Oh, and I was able to reverse engineer the clock from the SMC baud rate stuff |
| 04:58.19 | joe_bleau | Looks like the 20MHz canned clock box is used on the PHYs |
| 04:58.32 | joe_bleau | and it must be divided down by 512 and feed to the MPC850 |
| 04:58.50 | joe_bleau | 'cause the MPC850 has the PLL set up to multiple by |
| 04:59.09 | jbevren | hm |
| 04:59.19 | jbevren | di-604 seems to have an arm cpu |
| 04:59.21 | jbevren | (dlink) |
| 05:00.33 | joe_bleau | 846 to generate the master clock at 33.046MHz |
| 05:00.50 | joe_bleau | So, it sounds like it could be sped up just by reprogramming the PLL |
| 05:01.54 | joe_bleau | Looking at the SDRAM config, I suspect it's set to very conservative timing |
| 05:02.59 | joe_bleau | Oh, my riscwatch, maybe two, will be in town next week. |
| 05:03.50 | joe_bleau | I don't think there's anyone else hacking the router, so I'm looking at it as an education project |
| 05:04.03 | joe_bleau | That out of the way, how's the Pixter mm hack coming? |
| 05:04.16 | jbevren | parts ordered from digikey |
| 05:04.25 | jbevren | I think you were around when I verified the jtag port |
| 05:04.36 | jbevren | the parts include those necessary for building a wiggler heh |
| 05:04.38 | joe_bleau | Yeah, with the Xilinx tools |
| 05:05.39 | jbevren | I found 3-4 programs for arm cpu's, but they all either supported only the wiggler, or wouldnt work with the jtag cable from xilinx when I put the right pin numbers in |
| 05:05.43 | joe_bleau | I dream of a fast, cheap, open, USB or ethernet (with PoE) JTAG dongle |
| 05:06.09 | jbevren | dream away, you still need software support :0 |
| 05:06.21 | joe_bleau | that was the 'open' bit |
| 05:06.43 | joe_bleau | I think all the ARM stuff is in the docs |
| 05:06.59 | joe_bleau | But some of the other vendors play the NDA game |
| 05:07.46 | joe_bleau | Been trying for the last year to add our company logo to the legend silkscreen on a PWB |
| 05:08.01 | joe_bleau | Finally got my chance today on a quick turn lot |
| 05:10.09 | jbevren | cool |
| 05:10.39 | joe_bleau | It was really just an excuse to write an HPGL to gerber translater... |
| 05:13.08 | jbevren | heh |
| 05:15.27 | joe_bleau | haven't read logs yet; did prpplague get his new toy yet? |
| 05:15.35 | joe_bleau | He seems to be pretty excited about it all |
| 05:18.55 | jbevren | I dont believe he has |
| 05:19.09 | jbevren | he's planning to stuff a pair of 32M sdrams in his |
| 05:19.17 | jbevren | I got a pair of 16s for mine, theyre a bit cheaper heh |
| 05:19.36 | joe_bleau | Y'all are comin heavy |
| 05:19.44 | jbevren | heh |
| 05:19.47 | jbevren | his linux bump is itching |
| 05:19.55 | jbevren | i.e. he suspects it runs on linux |
| 05:20.09 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I saw that |
| 05:20.31 | joe_bleau | Still, seems like they could afford the NRE to roll their own OS |
| 05:20.50 | jbevren | well |
| 05:20.53 | joe_bleau | As many as they'll sell, wouldn't all that extra ram and flash pay for the os? |
| 05:20.54 | jbevren | the jb has uclinux I guess |
| 05:21.10 | joe_bleau | Yeah, and I'm still surprised they let some out with 8MB |
| 05:21.24 | jbevren | mine has 8 heh |
| 05:21.37 | joe_bleau | Wouldn't be the first time I misunderstood mr. market |
| 05:26.26 | jbevren | me too |
| 05:26.33 | jbevren | snyesy |
| 05:26.35 | jbevren | grr |
| 05:26.36 | jbevren | anyway |
| 05:26.37 | jbevren | rest time |
| 05:27.14 | joe_bleau | later |
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| 05:41.56 | silverpower | Anybody awake? |
| 05:42.05 | joe_bleau | yep |
| 05:42.51 | silverpower | I got my power supplies a couple of days ago. Go me. Now, to set them up. |
| 05:45.04 | silverpower | Any recommends for a decent terminal emulator program that works under Linux? |
| 05:49.10 | r2d2 | for serial stuff? |
| 05:49.18 | r2d2 | minicom |
| 05:51.25 | silverpower | Oooh, yay, I can't find my null modem cable. Where the heck did I put it? |
| 06:02.50 | joe_bleau | Doesn't need a null modem |
| 06:03.49 | silverpower | Don't have the regular kind either. I have a old-style mini-DIN Mac serial cable, for all the dubious good it does me. :S |
| 06:12.31 | silverpower | I found it, and have run into another problem - I don't have any gender changers! |
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| 14:12.45 | jbevren | yawn, etc |
| 14:12.56 | jbevren | saelig is delaying my order for a part they didtn say was out of stock |
| 14:13.03 | jbevren | I doubt I'll be ordering from them again |
| 14:13.22 | prpplague | yea, i've never ordered from the before |
| 14:17.46 | jbevren | I asked if they'll split the shipment but since business hours arent in yet I havent got a reply :) |
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| 14:45.13 | prpplague | redblue: re |
| 14:45.38 | prpplague | jbevren: just booted apex on my 79524 board |
| 15:15.57 | jbevren | wee :) |
| 15:18.27 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe got 3 boards to get running before the end of next week :( |
| 15:21.06 | prpplague | hmm, very interesting fact |
| 15:21.08 | prpplague | "The male praying mantis cannot copulate while its head is attached to its body. The female initiates sex by ripping the male's head off. " |
| 15:21.55 | prpplague | i think i had a date with a woman who thought she was a female mantis |
| 15:27.48 | agaffney | heh |
| 15:29.06 | jbevren | I gues the girls really like snuff |
| 17:26.20 | jbevren | lol |
| 17:26.31 | jbevren | so saelig was going to delay my order |
| 17:26.37 | jbevren | I asked them to split |
| 17:26.48 | jbevren | they told me I'd have to pay extra shipping for the second package :-X |
| 17:27.02 | jbevren | so I told them I refuse to pay and suffer delays due to their stock and website management faults... |
| 17:27.09 | jbevren | theyre shipping the second package free :) |
| 17:27.21 | jbevren | maybe theyre reasonable people after all :) |
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| 17:30.27 | jbevren | rere billybob |
| 17:30.30 | jbevren | :D |
| 17:30.51 | jbevren | prpplague: you missed my (positive) rant about saelig |
| 17:32.42 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:32.50 | *** mode/#edev [+o prpplague] by ChanServ |
| 17:33.07 | prpplague | jbevren: gonna be heading out for the rest of the day soon, got a ton of work to do over the weekend |
| 17:33.12 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:33.13 | jbevren | me too |
| 17:33.20 | jbevren | It's game weekend and I have nothing written for it |
| 17:33.27 | prpplague | jbevren: ? |
| 17:33.58 | jbevren | I run an RPG every other weekend |
| 17:34.43 | agaffney | nerd! |
| 17:34.45 | agaffney | ;) |
| 17:34.52 | prpplague | ahh |
| 17:46.32 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:42.13 | silverpower | jbevren: what system? |
| 18:42.54 | silverpower | SR3? SR4? Some mutant D20 system? |
| 18:43.14 | jbevren | ad&d |
| 18:43.25 | silverpower | Ah. |
| 18:44.30 | silverpower | Not exactly my cup of tea (I'm a big fan of Shadowrun 1-3), but cool all the same. |
| 18:48.57 | silverpower | I haven't given AD&D a whirl at all, though. This an IRL game? |
| 18:52.52 | jbevren | it's a tabletop game yeah |
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| 18:54.57 | silverpower | Ah. Oh, well. |
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| 22:17.10 | jbevren | people come, people go |
| 22:17.15 | jbevren | throw the channel to and frow |