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| 15:12.58 | T0mW | GPSFan: are you interested in that schematic? |
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| 15:38.51 | GPSFan | T0mW: sure.. |
| 15:39.08 | T0mW | ~GPSfan |
| 15:39.10 | purl | gpsfan is, like, kenm@paonia.com |
| 15:39.11 | GPSFan | can never have to much info.. |
| 15:39.17 | T0mW | k |
| 15:39.24 | GPSFan | thanks.. |
| 15:39.30 | T0mW | np at all |
| 15:40.30 | GPSFan | now that I've got the dht music server running, I may go back and do some Zipit work. |
| 15:40.52 | FireEgl | =D |
| 15:50.02 | T0mW | GPSFan: sent |
| 15:50.55 | T0mW | GPSFan: resistor and cap values are basically educated guesses or measured from assembled board. Not to be taken as "the values". |
| 15:52.08 | T0mW | I've been having some trouble with the HV823 supertex EL supply. Still need to work at that as the output voltage drops (a lot) when I connect the EL display to it. |
| 15:53.13 | T0mW | I may be saturating the inductor. So, I borrowed a low voltage adjustable supply to work with, hopefully, I can firm up that section of the Zipit addon board. |
| 15:58.57 | GPSFan | T0mW: schematic is really nicely done. thanks for all the hard work.. |
| 15:59.25 | T0mW | Well, I also wanted to "see" a real implementation of that processor |
| 16:00.17 | GPSFan | too bad there isn't a datasheet for the wifi module. Are you going to add the memory? |
| 16:01.54 | T0mW | no |
| 16:02.19 | T0mW | no need to add the memory, that is generic stuff, you can assume the wiring |
| 16:03.01 | T0mW | did you notice the PA7 + PB3 wiring? |
| 16:03.11 | T0mW | I wonder why they did that |
| 16:04.21 | T0mW | unless it is a wired-OR of an input to an output, silly to do so... |
| 16:05.45 | GPSFan | the cover switch, yeah, when they did that they screwed up the keyboard so that it couldn't be interrupt driven. I had an interrupt driven keyboard driver "working" but couldn't figure out why it didn't work correctly. till I rang out that part of the circuit. ;>( |
| 16:06.45 | T0mW | oh! |
| 16:07.12 | GPSFan | the cs2 you are talking about on the yahoo bbs, that is ball B4 nCS(2) ?? |
| 16:07.41 | T0mW | yes |
| 16:08.09 | T0mW | I swept the PCB several times to verify it |
| 16:08.19 | T0mW | on different occasions |
| 16:08.40 | T0mW | it was one of those "I cannot believe they did that" |
| 16:09.06 | T0mW | with as tightly closed the PCB was, it is an open door |
| 16:10.32 | T0mW | GPSFan: you know, H1 can be cut free.. |
| 16:11.08 | T0mW | GPSFan: maybe add a toggle in the kernel code for a PCB with H1 cut |
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| 16:12.52 | T0mW | I won't work on this board but under a microscope anyhow |
| 16:13.38 | T0mW | prpplague: sun rises later on the islands huh? |
| 16:14.29 | GPSFan | the cs2 goes to one of the "un-soldermasked" vias on the other side of the board. probably part of their manufacturing test setup. |
| 16:14.42 | prpplague | T0mW: no just takes longer to get the wife ready so i can get to the office |
| 16:15.12 | T0mW | prpplague: heh, that is a universal, genetic thing |
| 16:15.22 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:15.48 | prpplague | T0mW: spent two hours yesterday trying to debug some software for the enc28j60 i'd writen |
| 16:15.58 | prpplague | T0mW: just wasn't getting any communication |
| 16:16.13 | prpplague | T0mW: went back to the schematics to double check all my pin settings |
| 16:16.36 | prpplague | T0mW: turns out the schematic/layout guy swapped spimosi and spimiso |
| 16:16.40 | T0mW | LOL |
| 16:16.44 | T0mW | never assume |
| 16:17.17 | T0mW | that's why we do prototypes |
| 16:17.30 | GPSFan | T0mW: I thought of moding/re-wireing/cut-jumper the cover swithc to allow my intrrupt driven driver to work, but I figured that the average joe needed something that would work without moding. |
| 16:18.23 | T0mW | GPSFan: yeah, but why throw away the good code, we could make it CONFIG-? toggle |
| 16:18.25 | prpplague | GPSFan: hehe, the enc28j60 would be perfect for adding 10baseT to the zipit, but really why would you want to |
| 16:18.47 | prpplague | i though more of a docking station for the ziput |
| 16:18.50 | prpplague | zipit |
| 16:18.54 | T0mW | prpplague: naw, we already have a network connection, need a faster drive setup. |
| 16:19.47 | prpplague | T0mW: could go with some NAND flash |
| 16:19.48 | GPSFan | prpplague: why indeed, you have wifi, and the extra connector/board would make it a pita. |
| 16:20.13 | T0mW | GPSFan: well, once I get the backlight supply values doped out, I'll get setup to do code dev. maybe I'll take your interrupt keyboard code and roll it into the menuconfig? |
| 16:20.51 | T0mW | prpplague: did you see my webpage for the add on board? |
| 16:20.55 | GPSFan | T0mW: sure, I'll see if I can dig up the old files. |
| 16:20.58 | prpplague | T0mW: not lately |
| 16:21.19 | prpplague | T0mW: anything change in the last week or so? |
| 16:21.25 | T0mW | prpplague: the final board came in last week, if fit like a glove! |
| 16:22.30 | prpplague | T0mW: yea i saw up to that point |
| 16:22.38 | T0mW | ok |
| 16:23.09 | T0mW | too bad we couldn't use the SPI (SSP) |
| 16:23.16 | prpplague | T0mW: what i'm thinking is that we need to come with some hacking tools |
| 16:23.38 | prpplague | T0mW: sort sort of hack bus that can be generated with just a few gpio |
| 16:24.05 | prpplague | T0mW: i've looked into some of the chips that are SPI based GPIO |
| 16:24.21 | T0mW | I dunno, I still think that at some point you have to get in there and buzz out a board. |
| 16:25.05 | prpplague | T0mW: i also think a "hack board" would be nice, something with several different base voltages, rs-232 ttl shifter, and a jtag interface with solder pads |
| 16:30.08 | prpplague | T0mW: don't you think that would be handy? |
| 16:31.24 | T0mW | naw, I don't do that much of that type of work |
| 16:33.13 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i mean for people who or hacking alot |
| 16:34.04 | prpplague | T0mW: when you hack a board, you just about always have to wire up jtag, rs-232, somesort of power, and usually you want to hack something on there like a sd/mmc card |
| 16:34.16 | prpplague | maybe even add a spi gpio epander |
| 16:34.27 | prpplague | hehe, my dream hack board |
| 16:34.44 | prpplague | maybe that will be the board i finally go out and design myself |
| 17:40.55 | T0mW | prpplague: $100 to do a fairly large double sided board and get three of them. Good practice, all you need is something useful to build then |
| 17:43.59 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i just never seem to get around to doing it |
| 17:44.29 | prpplague | T0mW: its the failure portion that bothers me, hehe |
| 17:45.04 | prpplague | somewhere someone would this is interesting |
| 17:45.41 | prpplague | i have a ethernet packet receiver written entirely in bash shell script |
| 17:46.16 | T0mW | somewhere, sometime, when you least expect it, someone could just walk right up to you an say "Dave, I need you to build me a board" and the money will be too hard to pass up. ;) |
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| 18:34.04 | prpplague | T0mW: ping |
| 18:34.11 | T0mW | yeah |
| 18:34.51 | prpplague | T0mW: how long does it usually take you to get a handle on a new chip, i.e. something like a network device? |
| 18:35.08 | T0mW | ha |
| 18:35.13 | T0mW | sometimes a few days |
| 18:35.19 | prpplague | :( |
| 18:35.20 | T0mW | mostly I have to work with it |
| 18:35.39 | T0mW | you can read the manual all you want, but it comes down to working with it |
| 18:35.56 | prpplague | it usually takes me about 2 weeks to really get used to working with a new chip |
| 18:36.10 | prpplague | T0mW: yea thats my motto as well |
| 18:36.29 | prpplague | T0mW: i generally do one or two significant goals per day |
| 18:36.55 | T0mW | sometimes the thing is so screwed up on how it works, that it will take more than a few days. Example: the Philips SCN2681 Dual UART |
| 18:37.00 | prpplague | i really wish i knew more people who worked on the hardware level for drivers and such |
| 18:46.29 | T0mW | prpplague: this is why I do several projects at once, and, tell the customer a long lead time. When I get stuck, I can put the thing away for a few days, work on something else, and eventually get another idea of what's wrong with the original project. |
| 18:46.57 | prpplague | T0mW: doesn't really fit into the work schedule i have though |
| 18:47.04 | T0mW | prpplague: It also keeps the mental attitude up: I am accomplishing something. |
| 18:47.15 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, thats why i have small goals per day |
| 18:47.31 | prpplague | T0mW: i was just kinda wondering if my two weeks seemed reasonable |
| 18:48.13 | joe_bleau | I don't remember the 2681 being all that strange. |
| 18:48.17 | prpplague | T0mW: guess i'm getting old, i can only seem to absorb a certain amount of info per day |
| 18:51.18 | T0mW | prpplague: you are not getting older, just smarter: "why do I have to do this fsking sh!t?" |
| 18:51.27 | T0mW | :D |
| 18:51.38 | prpplague | maybe i'm getting like kelly on "married with children" where if you learn something new you have to forget something old , FILO |
| 18:51.47 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:51.47 | T0mW | lol |
| 18:51.51 | T0mW | that's me! |
| 18:52.03 | T0mW | out with old garbage, in with the new |
| 18:52.23 | T0mW | Who needs vacuum tube theory? |
| 18:54.37 | prpplague | T0mW: this enc28j60 chip seems really cool |
| 19:12.46 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 20:32.52 | T0mW | GPSFan: <sigh> that guy just doesn't "get it" does he? (most recent zipitwireless post) |
| 20:34.03 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe the one about sd/mmc stuff? |
| 20:34.25 | T0mW | modems, gps, "all sorts of stuff" |
| 20:35.25 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:35.41 | prpplague | this coffee isn't helping |
| 20:35.45 | T0mW | heh |
| 20:35.53 | T0mW | sometimes it puts me to sleep |
| 20:37.28 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:38.19 | T0mW | alright. Get the data capture to the SD card working, get the SD card removal detection / reporting working, THEN(!) I'll play with the ZipIt EL supply for a bit. |
| 20:38.20 | prpplague | T0mW: i just started about a year ago actually remembering dreams |
| 20:38.34 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:38.45 | T0mW | prpplague: try a nicotine patch, it gives you VIVID freakin' dreams!!! |
| 20:38.45 | prpplague | T0mW: still tinkering with the enc28j60 driver |
| 20:39.02 | T0mW | Full Color even! |
| 20:39.15 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, i smoked one of donna's cigs friday, it really gave me some bizare ones |
| 20:39.49 | T0mW | <sigh> the only "recreational drug" I partake in nowdays is Viagra |
| 20:43.31 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 20:44.19 | T0mW | and, it is a "controlled, dangerous substance" (Rx) |
| 20:45.14 | sunrunner20 | i'm on meds that will fuck you up |
| 20:46.31 | sunrunner20 | seraquel |
| 20:46.34 | sunrunner20 | trileptal |
| 20:46.40 | sunrunner20 | the list goes on... |
| 20:46.46 | sunrunner20 | mostly seraquel |
| 20:47.18 | sunrunner20 | antipsycotic |
| 20:47.27 | T0mW | when you get older, having a prescription drug plan is vital |
| 20:47.35 | sunrunner20 | it is now |
| 20:47.58 | sunrunner20 | heh |
| 20:48.10 | prpplague | kergoth said it helped him focus and such |
| 20:48.26 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:48.28 | sunrunner20 | my meds are extreemly expensive |
| 20:48.37 | sunrunner20 | hundreds of dollars a month |
| 20:48.48 | prpplague | no i'm just border line manic depressive, i have pretty big highs and lows |
| 20:48.49 | T0mW | I know that |
| 20:49.06 | T0mW | prpplague: must be exciting living with you |
| 20:49.10 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 20:49.14 | sunrunner20 | thing is |
| 20:49.20 | sunrunner20 | I am bipolar |
| 20:49.23 | sunrunner20 | its a pita |
| 20:49.31 | T0mW | prpplague: lots of "drama" |
| 20:49.38 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, not sure that donna would agree |
| 20:49.44 | sunrunner20 | i can tell you within 6 hours if you give me a placebo |
| 20:49.59 | prpplague | sunrunner20: oh yea? |
| 20:50.01 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 20:50.04 | T0mW | sunrunner20: yeah, I've a couple of friends like that |
| 20:50.25 | sunrunner20 | i missed a dose last saturday |
| 20:50.45 | T0mW | sunrunner20: a few are in denial of the need for medication, then they are "real interesting" people |
| 20:51.04 | sunrunner20 | prpplague: its statistics, highly intellagent people generally have psy. problems |
| 20:51.13 | sunrunner20 | more often than average people |
| 20:51.42 | T0mW | or, are alcoholic |
| 20:51.46 | sunrunner20 | what really sucks |
| 20:51.51 | sunrunner20 | i'm 10 months into this crap |
| 20:51.54 | prpplague | http://www.reciprocality.org/Reciprocality/add.html |
| 20:51.55 | sunrunner20 | and we are still tweaking my meds |
| 20:52.22 | prpplague | yea |
| 20:52.26 | sunrunner20 | been hosptalized once |
| 20:52.32 | sunrunner20 | and another time i should have been |
| 20:52.42 | prpplague | i try to self medicate with caffine and booze |
| 20:53.02 | T0mW | I like sex and motorcycles |
| 20:53.16 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:53.18 | T0mW | chills me out |
| 20:53.32 | prpplague | alchy when i'm too excited, coffee when i get low |
| 20:53.39 | prpplague | yikes |
| 20:53.45 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 20:53.45 | prpplague | sunrunner20: too much info d00d |
| 20:54.14 | sunrunner20 | least you'r non judgmental |
| 20:54.27 | sunrunner20 | anyway |
| 20:54.34 | sunrunner20 | gotta change into crappy cloths and go dig |
| 20:54.43 | sunrunner20 | finihing the trench |
| 20:54.51 | sunrunner20 | so the electrision can come in |
| 20:55.06 | sunrunner20 | and then we can call verizon to conform our fios install date |
| 20:55.36 | sunrunner20 | i cant' wait for fios |
| 20:55.41 | MegaMahi | damn you |
| 20:55.46 | MegaMahi | i have SBC and Charter |
| 20:55.52 | sunrunner20 | dude |
| 20:56.01 | sunrunner20 | i've got a metered 768/128 line atm |
| 20:56.17 | MegaMahi | ya im paying out the nose on bills |
| 20:56.35 | MegaMahi | cyharter just jacked the rates and service actually degraded |
| 20:56.37 | sunrunner20 | 5gb a month is not enough these days |
| 20:57.01 | prpplague | sunrunner20: never judgmental, i've had my share of mental instability |
| 20:57.36 | T0mW | I've got Prolog: 7Mb/s down, 800Kb/s up, no metering |
| 20:57.36 | sunrunner20 | :0 |
| 20:58.20 | sunrunner20 | prpplague: and i'm not shareing the majority of it w/ this room. Would freak everybody out |
| 20:59.45 | prpplague | sunrunner20: a little anonimity might be a good thing (c) |
| 20:59.55 | sunrunner20 | :p |
| 21:14.24 | prpplague | MegaMahi: hehe i used to have charter, got in a big argument over a $100 charge |
| 21:14.55 | MegaMahi | since they changed there packages for internet my signal dropped from 30dBmV to 10dBMv |
| 21:15.58 | MegaMahi | just recently we got rid of the old modem(SB4100) |
| 21:16.49 | MegaMahi | weve had it for 4 years and literally we payed triple the retail for the modem in rental fees |
| 21:17.30 | MegaMahi | recently bought the linksys modem, the utility closest looks nicer now(mounted the router and modem on the wall routed lines |
| 21:17.41 | MegaMahi | but still only get 10-11dBmV |
| 21:17.56 | MegaMahi | but 5$ off the bill |
| 21:19.05 | prpplague | yea |
| 21:19.07 | MegaMahi | of course though thats nothing when the bill is upward of 120$ a month |
| 21:19.13 | MegaMahi | just for charter |
| 21:19.17 | prpplague | man |
| 21:19.37 | prpplague | hehe, there are some advantages to living over seas, hehe |
| 21:20.59 | MegaMahi | ugg... |
| 21:21.33 | prpplague | both .gov subsidized |
| 21:23.26 | MegaMahi | ... |
| 21:23.32 | MegaMahi | i cant think of a rebuttle, you win... |
| 21:29.16 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:29.35 | prpplague | MegaMahi: one of only a few good things about living overseas |
| 21:29.50 | prpplague | MegaMahi: doesn't really offset all the other expenses |
| 21:32.38 | ohsix | prpplauge: have you seen these yet? they're neat :) http://www.microchip.com/stellent/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_PAGE&nodeId=1335&dDocName=en022889 |
| 21:34.35 | prpplague | ohsix: yep sure have |
| 21:34.53 | prpplague | ohsix: why do you ask? |
| 21:35.08 | ohsix | reading scrollback, saw the packet whacker :P |
| 21:36.04 | prpplague | ahh |
| 21:37.09 | ohsix | nice |
| 21:42.46 | prpplague | ohsix: i'm using the framethrower for my initial dev, www.edtp.com |
| 21:44.55 | ohsix | cool |
| 21:45.49 | ohsix | oy they're selling the jack seperately for 12$ |
| 21:46.35 | prpplague | ohsix: or you can get it all assembled |
| 21:48.06 | ohsix | just a little weird, they're available <3$ single unit from more than one place :P |
| 21:48.29 | prpplague | yea you are paying for the pcb |
| 21:48.45 | prpplague | and the .1" header |
| 21:48.48 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:01.19 | prpplague | later folks |
| 22:07.24 | ohsix | bye |
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