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| 13:35.23 | prpplague | GPSFan: hey |
| 13:35.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: how goes it? |
| 13:41.35 | GPSFan | prpplague: howdy, ok, lots of farm stuff lately, and for the next few weeks. how's things on the "island"? |
| 13:42.03 | prpplague | GPSFan: crappy, but otherwise ok, hehe |
| 13:43.33 | GPSFan | prpplague: any news on the Lnode front? |
| 13:43.47 | prpplague | GPSFan: still on hold for this other project |
| 13:44.00 | GPSFan | k |
| 13:44.06 | prpplague | GPSFan: probably won't make it to the production for another 45-60 days |
| 13:44.33 | GPSFan | what's your target market? |
| 13:44.47 | prpplague | hobbists |
| 13:44.52 | prpplague | education |
| 13:45.13 | prpplague | not really targeting biz stuff |
| 13:45.31 | GPSFan | ah, that's good, their "attention span" is somewhat longer than commeercial dudes that always want the latest & greatest. |
| 13:49.06 | prpplague | yea |
| 13:49.18 | prpplague | GPSFan: the lnode was just kind of a side project |
| 13:49.27 | prpplague | GPSFan: we had another design based on the same processor |
| 13:49.36 | prpplague | GPSFan: so when we did our first dev board for the project |
| 13:49.45 | prpplague | GPSFan: we basically designed the lnode80 |
| 13:50.09 | prpplague | GPSFan: afterwards, we were talking that it would make a nice inexpensive hobby board |
| 13:50.18 | prpplague | GPSFan: thus the lnode80 was born |
| 13:53.25 | GPSFan | cool, wish more companies would do that kind of thing. Sparkfun has a lot of good stuf for that market, in terms of piece parts, systems (boards like the lnode80) form the other half of that equation. |
| 13:53.25 | sorphin | GPSFan: mornin sir |
| 13:53.34 | GPSFan | sorphin: hi, dan.. |
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| 13:53.57 | sorphin | GPSFan: how's things? |
| 13:55.12 | GPSFan | sorphin: nice weather here when it's not raining, lots of farm stuff goin' on lately. hardly have had any time for hardware hacking. |
| 13:55.49 | GPSFan | I think the ski season is about over, may get one more day in. ;>) |
| 13:55.55 | sorphin | ah |
| 13:56.10 | sorphin | weather keeps jumping between nice and cold here, it's killing my sinuses |
| 13:58.06 | jbevren | concur |
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| 13:59.29 | sorphin | jbevren: shouldn't you be working tickets instead of... |
| 13:59.30 | sorphin | lol |
| 13:59.43 | jbevren | :) |
| 14:00.01 | jbevren | not much I can do |
| 14:00.04 | jbevren | boss locks me to level1 and 2 |
| 14:00.07 | jbevren | level2's empty |
| 14:00.11 | jbevren | level1 has 10 tickets and 25 techs |
| 14:00.21 | jbevren | anything unresolved is busy |
| 14:00.26 | sorphin | ah |
| 14:00.39 | sorphin | then get to work on that motherboard |
| 14:00.52 | sorphin | hehe |
| 14:00.52 | jbevren | no :P |
| 14:00.52 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:01.02 | sorphin | see if i point you at anything useful again then :P |
| 14:01.14 | jbevren | In Good Time(TM) I'll poke at it |
| 14:09.46 | agaffney | heh |
| 14:10.36 | sorphin | ~whaleslap jbevren |
| 14:10.39 | purl | ACTION beats jbevren upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 14:11.11 | agaffney | Hugh? :P |
| 14:11.37 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:12.04 | agaffney | and the Orca is relatively small |
| 14:13.17 | agaffney | there are many larger whale species to choose from if you wish to beat someone upside the head with one |
| 14:15.24 | prpplague | agaffney: totally facisnating that after the pack had finished hunting for the day, they caught one more seal, played around with it, then took it back to shore and let it go |
| 14:15.46 | prpplague | agaffney: the narrator said that they usually do that on every hunt |
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| 14:18.59 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:19.19 | agaffney | heh |
| 14:19.26 | sorphin | agaffney: that'd be why it says 'freakishly huge' |
| 14:19.27 | agaffney | so they're the "gentle" killers :P |
| 14:20.03 | jbevren | to burstnet! |
| 14:20.06 | jbevren | er |
| 14:20.08 | jbevren | wrong window |
| 14:20.10 | agaffney | heh |
| 14:20.14 | sorphin | to the bat cave! |
| 14:20.17 | jbevren | :) |
| 14:20.25 | jbevren | sorphin: for a long time its office was similarly lit |
| 14:20.35 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:20.46 | jbevren | of 12 lights, 3 worked. of the 3, one was dying and flickered constantly |
| 14:21.00 | sorphin | as long as you didn't have to show up for work in an anatomically correct rubber suit |
| 14:21.01 | sorphin | lol |
| 14:21.10 | sorphin | that'd be odd |
| 14:21.20 | jbevren | does the gender have to match mine? |
| 14:21.22 | jbevren | lol |
| 14:21.27 | sorphin | uhh |
| 14:21.55 | agaffney | heh |
| 14:22.07 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:22.56 | sorphin | but just for good measure |
| 14:22.58 | agaffney | haha |
| 14:23.01 | sorphin | ~cluebat agaffney |
| 14:23.03 | purl | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps agaffney. |
| 14:24.02 | agaffney | http://www.arune.com/eva/2.jpg |
| 14:24.06 | agaffney | that's the best I can seem to find |
| 14:24.25 | agaffney | it's safe for work |
| 14:24.25 | jbevren | noooo not NGE |
| 14:24.27 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:24.31 | agaffney | heh |
| 14:24.53 | jbevren | agaffney: dont tell me, you learned german just to find out what she says |
| 14:25.06 | agaffney | no, I'm one of *those* people :P |
| 14:25.10 | jbevren | lol |
| 14:25.17 | jbevren | neither am I |
| 14:25.20 | jbevren | I just asked my german friend |
| 14:25.25 | jbevren | danged if I can remember tho |
| 14:25.29 | agaffney | I enjoy anime occasionally, but I'm not a fanatic |
| 14:25.47 | jbevren | find/watch noir |
| 14:26.05 | agaffney | I've got the 3 CD soundtrack :) |
| 14:26.07 | agaffney | it's quite good |
| 14:26.12 | jbevren | only the first three? :0 |
| 14:26.15 | jbevren | there are four |
| 14:26.20 | agaffney | that's all I knew existed |
| 14:26.27 | agaffney | 2 CDs for the series and 1 for the movie |
| 14:26.34 | jbevren | ost1, ost2, ost3, bgm outtracks (unused tracks) |
| 14:26.37 | agaffney | it came all together |
| 14:27.26 | agaffney | I found a really good AMV done with Eva scenes to a Rammstein song |
| 14:27.34 | jbevren | I watched noir 8 months before it came to the US heh |
| 14:28.03 | agaffney | oddly, they use asuka when the guy is singing and shinji when the woman is singing....and it fits :P |
| 14:28.22 | jbevren | that's cause shinji is a wimp, and asuka is aggressive |
| 14:28.49 | agaffney | it just seemed fitting |
| 14:31.00 | sorphin | um |
| 14:31.04 | sorphin | alright then |
| 14:32.24 | agaffney | I mostly watch what's on Cartoon Network |
| 14:32.28 | jbevren | ah |
| 14:32.30 | agaffney | although, I recently got Netflix |
| 14:32.36 | jbevren | cartoon network is currently destroying naruto |
| 14:32.39 | agaffney | and have been watching a few others |
| 14:32.46 | jbevren | thankfully they didnt get noir |
| 14:32.55 | agaffney | Lain is one of the most fscked up series I've ever seen |
| 14:32.59 | jbevren | heh |
| 14:33.01 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:33.02 | jbevren | I gave up on lain |
| 14:33.05 | agaffney | but good nonetheless |
| 14:33.33 | sorphin | very little good on these days |
| 14:33.55 | agaffney | huh, it already is :P |
| 14:33.57 | jbevren | sorphin: I agree |
| 14:34.06 | agaffney | I watch very little TV as well |
| 14:34.09 | jbevren | REC is nice, but its not licensed stateside yet |
| 14:34.14 | agaffney | and rarely anything "live" |
| 14:34.21 | agaffney | I record everything and watch it at night |
| 14:34.34 | sorphin | agaffney: just as long as you never say the T word around me or i'll have to hurt you ;) |
| 14:34.55 | agaffney | nope, Dish Network's crappy DVR thingy |
| 14:35.08 | sorphin | crappy? |
| 14:35.24 | sorphin | i actually like it better than all the tivos i had put together |
| 14:35.25 | agaffney | single tuner, horrible interface, regularly crashes, etc. |
| 14:35.30 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:35.33 | sorphin | dual tuner here |
| 14:35.39 | sorphin | interface works fine |
| 14:35.42 | sorphin | never crashed |
| 14:35.45 | sorphin | :P |
| 14:35.55 | agaffney | mine will crash/freeze once or twice a month |
| 14:35.59 | agaffney | enough to be annoying |
| 14:36.01 | sorphin | could just be you ;) |
| 14:36.12 | sorphin | i don't own mine, so.. |
| 14:36.16 | jbevren | could be the box :) |
| 14:36.18 | sorphin | i don't care |
| 14:36.28 | agaffney | I don't think I own mine |
| 14:36.32 | sorphin | jbevren: sbc owns mine |
| 14:36.33 | agaffney | it was "free" when I signed up |
| 14:36.45 | sorphin | when i quit, they'll reclaim it |
| 14:36.49 | sorphin | if i ever quit |
| 14:36.52 | agaffney | they wanted ~$100 for the dual-tuner one |
| 14:36.59 | sorphin | mine was free |
| 14:37.15 | agaffney | I've got a dual-tuner receiver downstairs, but it's not a DVR |
| 14:37.15 | sorphin | i pay $4.99/mo cuz i dont' hook it to a phone |
| 14:37.26 | sorphin | nod |
| 14:37.37 | agaffney | which is pointless since I've only got 1 TV downstairs |
| 14:37.42 | agaffney | which I hardly use |
| 14:37.55 | agaffney | we mostly use the TV upstairs in the bedroom |
| 14:37.56 | sorphin | once i strip the last bit of programming off my ex-main tivo, all the drives are being pulled and the guts pitched |
| 14:38.03 | agaffney | heh |
| 14:38.14 | agaffney | I really like what I've seen of Tivo |
| 14:38.16 | agaffney | my mother has it |
| 14:38.18 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:38.27 | sorphin | i'm a bit biased though. |
| 14:38.38 | sorphin | so my opinion is a bit skewed. |
| 14:38.41 | agaffney | I networked her 2 Tivos |
| 14:38.51 | agaffney | so she can share recorded stuff between them |
| 14:38.58 | agaffney | and they update via the internet |
| 14:39.01 | agaffney | it's pretty cool |
| 14:39.10 | jbevren | I'm in the process of building a myth system |
| 14:39.19 | jbevren | but sorphin insists that I muck about with the bios on the backend box ;-) |
| 14:39.27 | jbevren | sorphin: for myth? |
| 14:39.29 | sorphin | no |
| 14:39.31 | jbevren | or tivo |
| 14:39.31 | sorphin | the tivo crap |
| 14:39.34 | jbevren | ah, cool |
| 14:39.48 | sorphin | bout all i retained of my whole tree |
| 14:39.57 | sorphin | is the ppc xcompiler |
| 14:40.02 | sorphin | my flasher |
| 14:40.06 | sorphin | the ftp daemon |
| 14:40.09 | sorphin | and the extractor |
| 14:40.54 | sorphin | till they started screwing the subscribers |
| 14:41.00 | agaffney | how so? |
| 14:41.12 | sorphin | 1st, they raised the price on monthly sub, but added no additional benefit |
| 14:41.28 | jbevren | and now theyre dropping lifetime subscribers |
| 14:41.31 | sorphin | yep |
| 14:41.38 | jbevren | people that paid big to be a lifetime member |
| 14:41.43 | sorphin | yep |
| 14:41.53 | agaffney | ... |
| 14:41.57 | sorphin | then there was the whole anti-hacking deal |
| 14:42.07 | sorphin | and i dont' mean people trying to extract video |
| 14:42.10 | jbevren | sorphin: I blame mpaa for that |
| 14:42.18 | sorphin | i mean people trying to do enhancing |
| 14:42.35 | sorphin | i blame stupid PHBs |
| 14:43.20 | sorphin | agaffney: a lot of tivo's 'new ideas' arent' all that new.. people in the community were doing it long ago, tivo just decided to rip off the ideas and make then their own |
| 14:43.37 | prpplague | yea, most of the people in charge of tech companies at the moment does seem to "get it" (c) |
| 14:43.50 | sorphin | jbevren: after the whole guide fiasco |
| 14:44.01 | sorphin | jbevren: i started generating my own guide from zap2it data |
| 14:44.11 | sorphin | was usally more up to date and accurate :P |
| 14:44.18 | sorphin | tivo knew about channel changes |
| 14:44.21 | sorphin | when you told them |
| 14:44.22 | sorphin | lol |
| 14:44.32 | sorphin | but i digress |
| 14:45.09 | sorphin | jbevren: i remember when the hardware cost about the same or more as a life time sub did |
| 14:45.20 | jbevren | heh |
| 14:45.25 | jbevren | tahts when both my roomates got one |
| 14:45.30 | sorphin | none of my tivos cost less than $300 |
| 14:45.33 | sorphin | except |
| 14:45.36 | sorphin | the DSR6000 |
| 14:45.45 | sorphin | it was $99 onsale at CC |
| 14:46.01 | sorphin | so i stocked up and sold them to people at work |
| 14:46.26 | sorphin | made -0- profit |
| 14:47.46 | sorphin | anyways |
| 14:53.16 | jbevren | back it up first hehe |
| 14:53.19 | jbevren | (the nvram data) |
| 14:54.54 | sorphin | i know |
| 14:55.11 | sorphin | the firmware is in the atmel chip though |
| 14:55.30 | jbevren | yeah, but god knows if it requires data in the nvram for proper operation |
| 14:56.56 | sorphin | 29lv020 |
| 14:57.05 | sorphin | that's the firmware chip |
| 14:57.33 | sorphin | got a decent sized pic here, but can't make out the other candidate chips |
| 15:15.08 | jbevren | they dont use a flash sector for logs? |
| 15:15.21 | jbevren | (Just a thought) |
| 15:19.34 | sorphin | why would they? |
| 15:19.39 | sorphin | they'd wear out the flash faster |
| 15:19.51 | sorphin | it'd be safer to just use an eeprom |
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| 16:56.03 | jbevren | oh come on, you know how smart they are(nt) by now :) |
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| 18:00.27 | _unreal_ | sup |
| 18:00.36 | _unreal_ | any zipit wireless guys live in here? |
| 18:02.16 | FireEgl | ;) |
| 18:03.39 | jbevren | GPSFan: hide! |
| 18:04.46 | GPSFan | yikes.. |
| 18:05.11 | FireEgl | _unreal_ is berin1279 from the zipitwireless maillist BTW. =) |
| 18:07.23 | _unreal_ | basterd !! ;) |
| 18:07.54 | _unreal_ | ya just got my zipit updated to openzipit |
| 18:08.33 | _unreal_ | will be writing a FULL how to on elinux. for how to setup a windows nfs server |
| 18:15.15 | jbevren | I should um do something with my zipit |
| 18:15.18 | jbevren | :) |
| 18:19.10 | _unreal_ | heh |
| 18:19.18 | _unreal_ | now this is sweet |
| 18:19.29 | _unreal_ | my RTC just arived in the mail to day AND I got my zipit hacked finaly |
| 18:19.32 | _unreal_ | yaya for me |
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| 18:23.22 | _unreal_ | ok question for you guys |
| 18:23.30 | _unreal_ | http://www.elinux.org/wiki/ZipItLid?highlight=%28zipit%29 how would I go about adding this? |
| 18:24.45 | agaffney | adding it to what? you compile it, run it, and check the exit code |
| 18:25.18 | _unreal_ | hum |
| 18:25.20 | _unreal_ | no idea |
| 18:25.21 | _unreal_ | how |
| 18:25.32 | _unreal_ | I'm a hardware guy not a software guy :( |
| 18:25.40 | agaffney | ... |
| 18:25.43 | _unreal_ | heh |
| 18:28.27 | agaffney | how do you plan on using it? |
| 18:28.36 | _unreal_ | very carfuly |
| 18:29.04 | _unreal_ | what d you do with your's? |
| 18:30.40 | agaffney | I mean the `lid` program |
| 18:30.49 | agaffney | and I don't have a zipit (or whatever it is) |
| 18:30.56 | _unreal_ | ? hehe |
| 18:31.02 | _unreal_ | have you ever modded hardware before? |
| 18:32.17 | jbevren | I've never done it |
| 18:32.19 | jbevren | lol |
| 18:32.24 | agaffney | nope |
| 18:32.51 | agaffney | if by mod, you mean something involving a soldering iron :P |
| 18:38.54 | _unreal_ | ya |
| 18:39.05 | _unreal_ | well you dont have to solder to the thing at all |
| 18:39.15 | _unreal_ | but if you want to make it fun in any way you kind of need to |
| 18:47.59 | _unreal_ | pocket sized do waht ever youw ant with PDA basicly with wireless g support |
| 18:48.01 | _unreal_ | built in :) |
| 18:48.37 | FireEgl | Don't forget cheap.. That's why I got one to play with. =) |
| 18:54.19 | _unreal_ | yep |
| 18:55.38 | prpplague | sorphin: why is that? |
| 18:56.45 | prpplague | ~bitkeeper |
| 18:56.47 | purl | [bitkeeper] at http://www.bitkeeper.com/ or at http://www.bitmover.com/ or hosted trees at http://www.bkbits.net/ or like cvs and subversion, but its non-opensource.. but its really good, even linus uses it to develop the kernel! |
| 19:24.00 | _unreal_ | FireEgl you live? |
| 19:26.33 | prpplague | naw, he smells dead, maybe three or four days |
| 19:26.48 | _unreal_ | dam it |
| 19:26.58 | _unreal_ | did you try kicken him see if there was any life left in him? |
| 19:27.11 | prpplague | naw, just took his wallet |
| 19:27.15 | _unreal_ | heh good man |
| 19:29.21 | _unreal_ | any idea how to run mad play? |
| 19:29.27 | _unreal_ | madplay its an mp3 decoder |
| 19:29.48 | prpplague | sorry, i normally use mpg321 for my stuff |
| 19:29.52 | _unreal_ | reason I ask is because I tryed playing an mp3 on the zipit and it wouldnt play |
| 19:29.54 | _unreal_ | hum |
| 19:29.59 | _unreal_ | gave me an error and I forget what it was |
| 19:40.50 | agaffney | wow, I got some el-cheapo USB sound devices ($7 including shipping from taiwan) and they sound pretty damn good |
| 19:41.01 | agaffney | as good as the onboard sound in this dell workstation (yeah, not saying much :P) |
| 19:55.26 | sorphin | prpplague: because it would be just another device i'm not using that i wasted my money on |
| 19:55.36 | prpplague | sorphin: ahh |
| 19:56.09 | prpplague | sorphin: yea ordering something just for the heck of it, is not a good plan |
| 19:56.25 | prpplague | sorphin: i do most my hacking simply to learn |
| 19:56.37 | sorphin | prpplague: well, these days i'm mostly a network monkey |
| 20:12.51 | _unreal_ | any one else done zipit mods? |
| 20:14.16 | prpplague | T0mW has |
| 20:14.23 | _unreal_ | thats live |
| 20:15.26 | T0mW | and getting close to test some of those mods, heh |
| 20:16.28 | _unreal_ | ahh sup so you are live |
| 20:16.39 | _unreal_ | I just got my zipit software updated finaly |
| 20:16.46 | _unreal_ | I am no an open zipit owner :)O |
| 20:17.23 | _unreal_ | now |
| 20:17.34 | _unreal_ | ok T0mW I have a question for ya |
| 20:17.40 | _unreal_ | trying to get the madplayer working |
| 20:17.43 | _unreal_ | tells me um |
| 20:18.08 | _unreal_ | audio: /dev/dsp: no shuch device |
| 20:18.09 | _unreal_ | ? |
| 20:18.22 | _unreal_ | I ran go2 before I ran madplay what would be worng? |
| 20:18.23 | prpplague | hehehehehehhehehehe |
| 20:18.50 | T0mW | haven't gotten there yet. still trying to get time to test my ZipIt add on board. |
| 20:18.50 | MegaMahi | you make the /dev/ entry and areyour kernel modules loaded |
| 20:19.44 | T0mW | _unreal_: http://www.openhardware.net/?title=ZipIt%20Addon%20Board%20mod&dir=zipit&file=zipitBoard.html |
| 20:19.45 | _unreal_ | ! oh tom as in Tom Walsh |
| 20:19.55 | T0mW | yeah |
| 20:20.20 | _unreal_ | I now have a crap ton of extra parts for the zipit |
| 20:20.28 | _unreal_ | extra serial chips, and others etc... |
| 20:20.41 | FireEgl | T0mW: You're gonna sell those addon boards, right? If so, for how much? =) |
| 20:20.41 | _unreal_ | even have an extra dl1338 |
| 20:20.57 | _unreal_ | ds1338 |
| 20:21.23 | _unreal_ | ahh FireEgl ok any idea whats worng? |
| 20:21.26 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe i should submit your hack to hackaday |
| 20:21.27 | _unreal_ | audio: /dev/dsp: no shuch device |
| 20:21.32 | T0mW | dunno, $50 + shipping |
| 20:21.57 | _unreal_ | T0mW I'm going to be posting a hoto on elinux for how to setup an NFS server in windows |
| 20:22.05 | T0mW | heh |
| 20:22.07 | _unreal_ | all in all should be about a 10min operation |
| 20:22.13 | T0mW | _unreal_: you into pain? |
| 20:22.16 | _unreal_ | and a 3meg file download to install for a demo program |
| 20:22.24 | T0mW | good idea |
| 20:22.45 | _unreal_ | thats whats been holding me up |
| 20:22.53 | _unreal_ | was just getting my zipit flashed |
| 20:23.01 | T0mW | _unreal_: when I get the zipit dev software setup, I'll put a page up so that others can follow along. |
| 20:23.22 | _unreal_ | I made a serial mod before, but I never saw anywhere in the documentation that V in = TTL V out |
| 20:23.59 | _unreal_ | ya T0mW I figur get people going and excited with the software upgrade provided they have not updated it yet |
| 20:24.09 | _unreal_ | with easy step's howtos etc... |
| 20:24.19 | _unreal_ | then you can jump up and down and say HAY look at this |
| 20:25.01 | T0mW | well, I'm taking a different approach than the WiFi update. I've the RS232 download software from one of the other guys that will allow you to directly download into the Flash. |
| 20:25.12 | _unreal_ | hum T0mW you should look at this http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7605873671&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 |
| 20:25.15 | T0mW | I *know* I will screw something up via the wifi |
| 20:25.15 | FireEgl | _unreal_: I dunno if openzipit has mknod, but try: mknod /dev/dsp c 245 3 |
| 20:25.36 | _unreal_ | ? what updating via wifi? |
| 20:25.39 | T0mW | prpplague: thanks |
| 20:26.04 | _unreal_ | yep mknod is in existance |
| 20:26.13 | T0mW | _unreal_: naw! BTDT, I don't mess with chemicals anymore. |
| 20:26.52 | _unreal_ | says file exists |
| 20:27.06 | _unreal_ | heh you used ferric chloride didnt you |
| 20:27.15 | T0mW | yeah |
| 20:27.28 | _unreal_ | I dont use that stuff, I use other chemicals which are stain free and clear |
| 20:27.30 | _unreal_ | :) |
| 20:27.48 | T0mW | problem is that my PCBs get pretty dense and it is a PITA to drill + fill those vias |
| 20:28.11 | _unreal_ | heh |
| 20:28.15 | T0mW | Then the etching process is uneven, resist bubbles off ... |
| 20:28.20 | _unreal_ | ya for 2 sided boards |
| 20:28.27 | _unreal_ | depends on how you do it |
| 20:28.33 | _unreal_ | photo PCB or press n peel blue |
| 20:28.34 | T0mW | then ya got to tin it |
| 20:28.54 | T0mW | press-n-peel, finally discarded all that stuff. |
| 20:29.06 | T0mW | laser printer is history as well |
| 20:29.12 | _unreal_ | heh I've had great success with press n peel |
| 20:29.57 | _unreal_ | I may make up a board lay out which supplys DS1338, SD cards and thats about it |
| 20:30.16 | T0mW | it is good, nothing wrong with that. It is just that the time I spend building a prototype could be better spent doing other things. When I have a proto house do my boards today, they are pretty enough to show to anyone. |
| 20:30.40 | _unreal_ | heh |
| 20:30.58 | T0mW | I usually only spend $100 for a proto: silk, soldermask 2 sides, all nicely plated + drilled |
| 20:31.08 | _unreal_ | ya, I have a cnc machine at my house in maine but I'm in florida for an other few weeks or at least untill I get my car back and working AGAIN @#$%@#%@#$ |
| 20:31.12 | _unreal_ | just died on me yesterday |
| 20:31.17 | T0mW | heh |
| 20:31.34 | _unreal_ | of all things, a brand new timing belt came off??? |
| 20:31.42 | _unreal_ | dont know what the condidtion of the car is currently |
| 20:31.45 | T0mW | ow |
| 20:32.04 | _unreal_ | timing belt was brand new 5k on it at most |
| 20:32.16 | T0mW | well, to the Bank, then to UPS, then to the Laundramat, later |
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