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12:56.15jbevrenMorning PRP
12:56.17jbevrenken
12:56.17jbevrenetc
12:56.21jbevren:)
12:56.46GPSFanjbevren: g'day.. howdy prpplague
12:57.02prpplaguemorning
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12:58.29jbevrenprpplague: one thing I forgot to note btw (re pixter MM cartridge) is that the chipselect line isnt connected.  is this the case on the juicebox implementation of that rom too?
13:00.03prpplaguejbevren: yea,
13:00.19jbevrenmust be an optional line then
13:00.56prpplaguejbevren: not really, they are doing a "hack" that really only can be done if its the only chip on the bus
13:01.12prpplaguejbevren: CS should really always be used
13:01.38jbevrennod
13:01.48jbevrenof course, in this case it is
13:01.59jbevrenkinda reminds me of the c64 swiftlink (rs232) cartridge
13:02.26jbevrenits only 4 bytes in registers, but since nobody expects more than one card to be on the c64 at once, they dont cleanly decode the IO space and it consumes 256 bytes
13:03.11jbevrenthey did the same thing with the ram expander :X
13:03.30jbevrenthankfully its only a 1mhz bus though, so you can easily wire in some 74xx logic to clean it up
13:25.38prpplaguedoh doh doh
13:25.38prpplaguejust found a hardware problem
13:26.32jbevrenwell at least you found it
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13:45.35prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ping
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14:07.31jbevrenhm I guess its time to update my arm crosstools
14:07.51jbevrenhehe
14:08.01jbevrenarm-linux-ld: internal error earmelf_linux.c 160
14:08.17jbevren(test-compiling the juicebox kernel to ensure my compiler works)
14:08.28agaffneyhurray for ICEs!
14:08.34jbevrenagaffney: concur(?) heh
14:08.51agaffneyalthough, I suppose that's actually an ILE
14:19.13jbevrenhttp://news.com.com/2100-1015_3-6072590.html?part=rss&tag=6072590&subj=news
14:19.18jbevrenthat's some dense tape
14:31.44agaffneyI wish they would give an actual storage size
14:31.51agaffneyinstead of so many books
14:49.11jbevrentape is measured in BPI I thought
14:59.51agaffneyyeah, but how many inches of tape are they going to be selling :P
15:00.05jbevrendepends on your format
15:00.18jbevrenmind you, reel-to-reel systems are outdated I guess
15:00.27agaffneyI'm just curious about what they're planning on releasing
15:00.35prpplaguei really really wish i could find someone to talk to about PM
15:00.43agaffneyPM?
15:00.48jbevrenpower management?
15:00.56agaffneypretty midgets?
15:01.12jbevrenPaMela anderson?
15:01.17jbevrenthat doesnt work as well
15:01.19agaffneypr0n midgets?
15:02.06prpplaguepower management
15:02.20agaffneypower midgets
15:02.31agaffneyheh, that's just a weird mental image
15:07.25prpplaguejeeze, its like a dead silience on all the channels
15:24.08jbevrendude, I'm working hard today hehe
15:24.16jbevren(/whine)
15:27.04prpplaguejbevren: no i meant on some of the other dev channels
15:27.25prpplaguewheeeeeee kernel paniccccccc
15:27.34jbevrenyay!
15:27.54jbevrenlol
15:29.43agaffneyhaha
15:30.31jbevrenas long as I dont have to watch a 2.6 panic at 300bps
15:30.40jbevrenthey dump -so- much completely useless data
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16:05.38jbevrenCosmicPenguin: isp issues? hehe
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23:21.22joe_bleauHey Dave.
23:22.25prpplaguehey
23:22.31prpplaguejoe_bleau: whats cookin?
23:22.45joe_bleauHad to work this weekend, so I didn't get any time to play.
23:22.53joe_bleauHad a stack of projects lined up to pick from, too.
23:22.54prpplagueahh
23:23.07prpplaguei took last weekend off, my brain was turning to jello
23:23.09joe_bleauGot one idea that I want to write up and send in to EDN or Electronic Design
23:23.25prpplaguewife mute remote?
23:23.34joe_bleauClose...I call it "say what"
23:23.48joe_bleauI'm thinking pic, dram on a simm, microphone, speaker, and a button.
23:23.54joe_bleauConstantly recording ambient audio
23:23.58joe_bleau(maybe 30s worth)
23:24.09joe_bleau"Hey, what did he just say?"
23:24.11joe_bleauHit the button.
23:24.45joe_bleauBox plays back the last 30 seconds of captured audio.
23:24.45prpplaguehehe
23:24.45joe_bleauwhatya think?
23:24.50joe_bleauWorth the effort to build, test, and write it up for $100 or so?
23:25.01prpplaguejoe_bleau: might be something you can seel on "asseenontv.com"
23:25.11prpplaguehehe
23:25.19prpplaguejoe_bleau: not bad though
23:25.50joe_bleauI don't think I want to deal with production.  Design and docs are plenty.
23:25.57prpplaguehehehe
23:25.59prpplagueyea
23:25.59joe_bleauI bet one of the mags would run it
23:26.28prpplaguejoe_bleau: btw, i added you to the list of beta testers for our arm boards
23:26.36joe_bleauoh?
23:26.38prpplaguejoe_bleau: i need you to send me some contact info
23:26.48prpplaguejoe_bleau: i.e. shipping address
23:26.54joe_bleauI still have your email from way back...hasn't changed, has it?
23:27.00prpplaguenope
23:27.11prpplaguelnode v2 should be available
23:27.13prpplaguesoon
23:27.13joe_bleauOK.  Oh, do you need a pro/work address, or home address?
23:27.21joe_bleauwebsite updated yet?
23:27.28prpplagueno noy yet
23:27.43prpplaguejoe_bleau: more home address
23:27.52joe_bleauno problemo
23:28.29prpplaguehehe
23:28.34joe_bleauBDI2k on ebay recently
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23:29.04prpplaguejoe_bleau: oh yea?
23:29.11prpplaguejoe_bleau: good price?
23:29.18joe_bleau$250 last I looked.
23:29.27joe_bleauNo docs, no software, no idea what firmware is in it.
23:29.30prpplagueoh nice price
23:29.35joe_bleauKinda risky though.
23:29.40prpplagueyea
23:29.51prpplague~apollo 8
23:30.03joe_bleauoops...$255 now
23:30.10joe_bleau8811109544
23:31.15prpplaguepurl: apollo 8 is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_8
23:31.16purlprpplague: okay
23:31.39prpplague~anders
23:31.41purli guess anders is uhhhmmm.. kinda.... lazy maybe!
23:31.45prpplaguedoh
23:32.05prpplagueforget anders
23:32.09prpplague~forget anders
23:32.09purlprpplague: i forgot anders
23:34.00joe_bleauBeen skimming my huge pile of mags lately.
23:34.08joe_bleauRan across a couple of interesting things.
23:34.24prpplague~anders is a long line of scientists, inventors and explorers beginning with Anders Celsius
23:34.25purlprpplague: okay
23:34.36joe_bleauSeen this 'propeller' cpu from parallax?
23:34.43prpplague~anders is also see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Anders
23:34.45purlokay, prpplague
23:34.53prpplaguejoe_bleau: sorry no
23:35.08joe_bleauIt's...different.
23:35.11prpplague~anders
23:35.13purlmethinks anders is a long line of scientists, inventors and explorers beginning with Anders Celsius, or see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Anders
23:36.47prpplaguejoe_bleau: interesting
23:37.11prpplaguefor that price you can get an arm though
23:37.50joe_bleauYeah, but that sucker can probably respond to an I/O change in, what, less than 100ns?
23:38.22joe_bleauIt's almost like hardware mutlitasking, or the moto TPU
23:38.34prpplaguehm, not so much intersting, just looked at the specs
23:38.48prpplaguelnode40 has better options than that
23:38.55prpplagueand runs linux
23:39.22joe_bleauCan it bit-bang a video output?
23:39.42prpplagueno need, has a full lcd controller
23:40.44prpplagueplus either 2 usb hosts or 1 host and 1 slave
23:43.05joe_bleauHey, any ideas on what you need out of me on this beta thingy?
23:43.13joe_bleauOr is it something not to be discussed out loud
23:43.26prpplaguejoe_bleau: left testical, and first born
23:43.38prpplaguejoe_bleau: hehe, just need projects and docs
23:43.46prpplaguei.e. how to's
23:44.40joe_bleauYou'll put together a wishlist of desired projects and how-to notes, correct?
23:45.16prpplagueyea
23:49.06prpplaguejoe_bleau: http://pastebin.com/721548
23:49.39joe_bleauDo anything with ZigBee yet?
23:49.48prpplaguenaw
23:50.06joe_bleauSounds ideal for a backyard wx station
23:50.26joe_bleaumodule pinout?
23:53.32existxjbevren eats pocky
23:54.59prpplaguejoe_bleau: yea, standard 40-pin dip
23:55.08joe_bleauNo IIS?
23:55.09prpplagueexistx: ??
23:55.14prpplaguejoe_bleau: hehe
23:55.18prpplaguejoe_bleau: surprised you asked
23:55.29existxprpplague: :) I'm just being silly. Trying to wake jbevren up
23:55.30prpplaguejoe_bleau: we've been bouncing to and fro with the i2s
23:55.31joe_bleauI couldn't remember if the CPU supported it or not.
23:55.53prpplaguejoe_bleau: yea, it supports it
23:56.03prpplaguejoe just haven't decided to use it or now
23:56.05prpplaguenot
23:56.23prpplaguejoe_bleau: what would you do with i2s?
23:56.29joe_bleauaudio
23:56.33joe_bleau(obviously?)
23:56.44prpplaguejoe_bleau: right, but what kinda of configuration?
23:57.18joe_bleauSorry, I don't understand the question.
23:57.32joe_bleauTwo uarts...handy.
23:58.13joe_bleauHey, can it bootload new firmware over the UART?
23:58.28joe_bleauJTAG on board?
23:58.39prpplaguejtag header on top
23:58.46joe_bleauGood.
23:59.19prpplaguejoe_bleau: what would you do with i2s audio? i.e. play mp3's , voip, audio greeting card
23:59.25joe_bleauLooks like enough GPIO to run a char mode LCD module too
23:59.40joe_bleauMaybe build a digital audio test signal generator
23:59.52joe_bleauS/PDIF or AES out, not analog
23:59.57prpplaguejoe_bleau: yea, if you wanted to do standard char display you can use the vd lines as gpio

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