| 00:00.14 | prpplague | joe_bleau: larger displays without controllers can use th vd signals |
| 00:01.46 | joe_bleau | Right. 100Base-T? |
| 00:02.11 | prpplague | nope. use the spi to work with a enc28j60 which is 10baseT |
| 00:02.15 | joe_bleau | Will the SPI DMA? |
| 00:02.21 | joe_bleau | (Thinking mini-BDI2k...) |
| 00:02.40 | prpplague | yea, up to 20mhz |
| 00:03.01 | joe_bleau | flash/sdram sizes? |
| 00:03.31 | prpplague | 32mb ram, 16m flash |
| 00:04.05 | joe_bleau | Should be plenty. |
| 00:04.46 | joe_bleau | Any PWM outputs? |
| 00:04.53 | joe_bleau | TOUTx maybe? |
| 00:05.39 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea, look |
| 00:05.53 | prpplague | ahh not labled |
| 00:05.56 | prpplague | yea tout |
| 00:06.33 | joe_bleau | 5V tolerant I/O, or 3.3V only? |
| 00:06.50 | prpplague | 3.3v only |
| 00:08.48 | joe_bleau | IrDA? |
| 00:09.01 | prpplague | the second uart supports irda mode |
| 00:09.07 | joe_bleau | Input capture pins? |
| 00:09.12 | prpplague | ?? |
| 00:09.36 | joe_bleau | You know, something that latches the contents of a counter when the pin changes state |
| 00:10.06 | joe_bleau | (Say you wanted to build a frequency counter...) |
| 00:10.08 | prpplague | do you mean interrupt timmers? |
| 00:10.35 | joe_bleau | input pin changes state, value of a free running counter is latched into a holding register, |
| 00:10.44 | joe_bleau | an interrupt is optionally signaled, |
| 00:10.50 | joe_bleau | cpu can read the holding register |
| 00:11.30 | prpplague | joe_bleau: not sure i know exactly what you are refering to, but you can do that pretty easy inside linux without specific hardware |
| 00:11.43 | joe_bleau | I doubt it. |
| 00:12.04 | joe_bleau | The '332 TPU clocks run at 5MHz |
| 00:12.13 | joe_bleau | Can you get that kind of resolution in Linux? |
| 00:12.46 | prpplague | the s3c2410 has pretty small resolution on the counters |
| 00:13.20 | prpplague | i'd have to check the exact size but its down to around .0001 seconds |
| 00:13.32 | joe_bleau | That's really crappy. |
| 00:13.47 | prpplague | oh? |
| 00:13.57 | joe_bleau | Yeah. |
| 00:14.01 | prpplague | hehe different worlds i guess |
| 00:14.13 | prpplague | one sec i will check |
| 00:14.15 | joe_bleau | Very surprising. |
| 00:14.27 | joe_bleau | Most counters will run at last 25% of main clock rate. |
| 00:14.34 | joe_bleau | I'm looking for the datasheet myself... |
| 00:15.58 | joe_bleau | arm9? Hey, I thought it was arm7tdmi based |
| 00:17.44 | prpplague | joe_bleau: v1 was arm7 |
| 00:17.57 | prpplague | joe_bleau: min at 200 is 12khz |
| 00:18.30 | prpplague | joe_bleau: max is 25.35mhz |
| 00:18.47 | prpplague | joe_bleau: that what you need to know? |
| 00:18.48 | joe_bleau | See, that's a bit better (25.35MHz) |
| 00:19.02 | joe_bleau | I can't tell if it will capture or not. Got datasheet linkage? |
| 00:19.36 | prpplague | not handy |
| 00:20.10 | prpplague | joe_bleau: samsung is kinda pissy about their data |
| 00:20.17 | joe_bleau | Apparently. |
| 00:20.32 | prpplague | joe_bleau: when the counter resets you get an interrrups |
| 00:20.55 | joe_bleau | Well, I found one in chinese |
| 00:21.03 | prpplague | joe_bleau: or if you get an interrupt you can read the value |
| 00:21.26 | prpplague | joe_bleau: sorry just not run across a situation like what you are asking for |
| 00:21.41 | prpplague | joe_bleau: could you give me a real world example |
| 00:21.43 | joe_bleau | really? Surprising. Even the LPC2xxx chips can capture |
| 00:21.49 | joe_bleau | Sure; a tachometer. |
| 00:22.05 | prpplague | hmm, never built a tachometer |
| 00:22.16 | prpplague | can you give me something else? |
| 00:22.27 | joe_bleau | speedometer? ;-) |
| 00:22.34 | prpplague | ~lart joe_bleau |
| 00:23.01 | joe_bleau | Anything that needs to measure time accurately |
| 00:23.03 | joe_bleau | or duty cycle |
| 00:23.09 | joe_bleau | or waveform period |
| 00:23.19 | joe_bleau | (engine controllers need this sorta thing) |
| 00:23.23 | joe_bleau | Motion control apps? |
| 00:23.35 | prpplague | hmm, thats what i normally, and most linux devices, use the counters for |
| 00:23.35 | joe_bleau | How 'bout reading a quadrature encoder? |
| 00:23.57 | prpplague | joe_bleau: hehe, don't have a clue what that is |
| 00:24.10 | joe_bleau | Got a mechanical mouse? |
| 00:24.15 | joe_bleau | If so, you have two. |
| 00:24.33 | prpplague | ahh yea,thats what i use the counters for |
| 00:24.43 | joe_bleau | (Contrived example, as a mouse or rotary encoder is plenty slow enough to read in software) |
| 00:25.31 | joe_bleau | Seriously, if you get a moment download the LPC2106 datasheet and read up on the capture module |
| 00:25.38 | joe_bleau | It's in with the timer/pwm/compare stuff. |
| 00:25.45 | prpplague | will do |
| 00:26.06 | prpplague | guess we handle it differently in the OS side of stuff |
| 00:26.16 | joe_bleau | I can't tell from the sparse online info if the '2410 captures or not. |
| 00:26.34 | prpplague | not sure i understand the capture portion |
| 00:26.35 | joe_bleau | Still seems like handling it in software is going to be a little sloppy. |
| 00:26.51 | joe_bleau | It 'captures' the value of the free running counter when the pin changes state. |
| 00:27.08 | joe_bleau | software can then read the 'captured' value later |
| 00:27.44 | joe_bleau | stick a constant current source and a cap on there, and you've got a simple single slope ADC. |
| 00:27.54 | joe_bleau | (try saying that out loud...) |
| 00:28.15 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:28.17 | prpplague | joe_bleau: no |
| 00:28.30 | prpplague | joe_bleau: you aren't gonna find many arm's that have that |
| 00:28.37 | prpplague | joe_bleau: maybe on the smaller stuff |
| 00:28.41 | joe_bleau | Sure. |
| 00:28.51 | prpplague | joe_bleau: but not on the OS capable stuff |
| 00:28.56 | prpplague | joe_bleau: oh? |
| 00:28.57 | joe_bleau | the atmel micros probably have 'em, the ST, the Philips, etc. |
| 00:29.14 | joe_bleau | Wait, what do you mean by OS capable? |
| 00:29.21 | prpplague | joe_bleau: right smaller items, all arm7tdmi's not really designed for OS's |
| 00:30.07 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea, when you start getting to the larger chips that are meant to run an OS they expect the OS to handle such things |
| 00:30.28 | joe_bleau | bbiab. |
| 00:30.33 | prpplague | ok |
| 01:02.41 | joe_bleau | contact info email going out now. |
| 01:03.46 | prpplague | okie dokie |
| 01:19.42 | joe_bleau | May have found the datasheet...downloading now. |
| 01:28.14 | joe_bleau | Hey, does the LEND signal need to be brought out for the LCD, or is it something that no panel really needs? |
| 01:29.38 | joe_bleau | no touch screen interface? |
| 01:30.09 | prpplague | joe_bleau: not ts, since alot of them can be done via spi |
| 01:30.19 | joe_bleau | ok |
| 01:30.50 | joe_bleau | battery backup for the RTC? |
| 01:31.10 | prpplague | nope |
| 01:31.17 | prpplague | quick and diry |
| 01:31.20 | prpplague | dirty |
| 01:31.30 | joe_bleau | SD card interface? |
| 01:31.37 | prpplague | via spi |
| 01:33.26 | joe_bleau | Got room to put some of the unused I/O on pads, even if they don't go through the connector? |
| 01:37.54 | joe_bleau | I see it can boot from NAND flash |
| 01:42.07 | joe_bleau | Is any UART special? |
| 01:43.12 | joe_bleau | replace RTS0 and CTS0 with RTS1 and CTS1 |
| 01:43.31 | joe_bleau | If you don't need the handshaking, the RTS1 and CTS1 pins appear to share with |
| 01:43.58 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea the rts0 and cts0 also share with gpio's |
| 01:44.03 | joe_bleau | RXD2 and TXD2. Allow the end user to pick between three plain uarts, or one plain and one with handshake |
| 01:44.12 | joe_bleau | Doesn't RTS1 and CTS1? |
| 01:44.23 | joe_bleau | See where I'm going? |
| 01:45.04 | joe_bleau | RTS1/TXD2/GPH6 is a more valuable pin, as it can be GPIO, UART, or handshake |
| 01:45.30 | joe_bleau | RTS0/GPH1 isn't as versatile, so why place it on the connector? |
| 01:45.41 | joe_bleau | Same argument with CTS1 vs. CTS0. |
| 01:45.50 | prpplague | ahh, i'll have a look |
| 01:50.37 | joe_bleau | Please. This datasheet looks to be very preliminary. |
| 01:51.16 | prpplague | joe_bleau: not really |
| 01:51.23 | prpplague | joe_bleau: been in production for some time |
| 01:51.46 | prpplague | joe_bleau: i'll see about putting the datasheet up somewhere |
| 01:52.42 | joe_bleau | I meant that the datasheet I found online (not at samsung!) is pretty prelim looking. |
| 01:53.23 | joe_bleau | What are the nSS lines used for? |
| 01:54.35 | prpplague | joe_bleau: controlling if the spi is slave or master |
| 01:54.59 | joe_bleau | Hmm. |
| 01:56.43 | joe_bleau | Is using the CPU as a SPI slave common? I don't think I've ever done that before. |
| 01:58.22 | joe_bleau | Other than those comments, I don't see anything else I'd argue with on the pinout. |
| 02:07.57 | prpplague | joe_bleau: not that common but people do it with the stamps tuff |
| 02:08.07 | prpplague | joe_bleau: hwhich is kinds tha target audience |
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| 03:51.39 | jbevren | I just lost all interest in bd-rom |
| 03:51.42 | jbevren | http://www.tgdaily.com/2005/08/10/blu/index.html |
| 03:51.44 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.24 | joe_bleau | I say bring it on. In spades. We need it. |
| 04:12.53 | jbevren | I say inform your non-technically-inclined friends and family |
| 04:13.07 | joe_bleau | To buy the stuff. Lots of it. |
| 04:13.08 | jbevren | just let them know about the self destruct mode |
| 04:13.10 | jbevren | heh |
| 04:13.28 | joe_bleau | What we need to have happen is for *lots* of people to use the stuff,. |
| 04:13.31 | joe_bleau | someone to hack it, |
| 04:13.41 | joe_bleau | and the studios to disable *all* the disks. |
| 04:13.49 | joe_bleau | That would be the end of DRM. |
| 04:13.52 | jbevren | see, it doesnt disable the disk :) |
| 04:14.04 | jbevren | it debilitates the player |
| 04:14.11 | jbevren | er |
| 04:14.13 | jbevren | incapacitates |
| 04:14.16 | jbevren | thats the word I wanted |
| 04:14.16 | joe_bleau | Yeah, gotcha. |
| 04:14.31 | jbevren | granted, it likely has a jtag port |
| 04:14.32 | jbevren | hehe |
| 04:14.38 | jbevren | so I'd just copy my firmware out before first powerup |
| 04:16.14 | joe_bleau | I wouldn't expect them to allow working JTAG on consumer units. |
| 04:16.20 | jbevren | nod |
| 04:16.32 | jbevren | lack of jtag didnt keep people out of the xbox though |
| 04:16.48 | joe_bleau | Didn't the unsolder the flash bios? |
| 04:16.53 | joe_bleau | s/the/they/ |
| 04:17.51 | jbevren | the issue with the xbox is that the pre-boot code wasnt encrypted |
| 04:18.06 | jbevren | the encrypted local bus was set up by code from that rom heh |
| 04:18.12 | jbevren | (that's my understanding) |
| 04:20.20 | jbevren | I'd like to infer the same method for the bd players |
| 04:20.26 | joe_bleau | I think three million people returning incapacitated bd-rom players to Best Buy might be fun to see |
| 04:20.29 | jbevren | but they will likely include the flash tech inside the cpu |
| 04:20.42 | jbevren | depends |
| 04:20.42 | joe_bleau | Sure, one big ASIC to rule us all. |
| 04:20.58 | jbevren | apple's reaction to sony's BS cd protection was something like |
| 04:21.06 | jbevren | 'got a sony cd stuck in your drive? your warranty is void.' |
| 04:21.43 | jbevren | a similarly retarded clause will likely be in the bd players' warranties |
| 04:22.02 | jbevren | mind you, that wont stop lawsuits |
| 04:22.05 | jbevren | so I'm not wholly against it |
| 04:22.24 | joe_bleau | Even better, tons of unhappy people that *don't* get their money back from best buy. |
| 04:22.34 | jbevren | but I have managed all these years to boycott the playstation2 because of its technical inferiorities when compared to the years-older dreamcast heh |
| 04:22.44 | joe_bleau | Might just be the groundswell that we need |
| 04:23.18 | jbevren | indeed |
| 04:23.41 | jbevren | wait for a false positive from a home-burned movie |
| 04:23.51 | joe_bleau | kinda like identity theft...once a bunch of senators and congresscritters start seeing their (or their kids) SSN being abused, |
| 04:23.52 | jbevren | and I dont mean a copy of Aliens downloaded from the net |
| 04:24.00 | joe_bleau | we'll start to see some changes. |
| 04:24.01 | jbevren | I'm referring to a home video transferred from vhs tapes :) |
| 04:24.08 | joe_bleau | precisely. |
| 04:24.31 | jbevren | the computer accidentally puts a MPAA-taken ID on the disc and suddenly your $300 player is shot without warning |
| 04:25.00 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.08 | jbevren | (/paranoia) |
| 04:25.08 | joe_bleau | If it happens to 10 people, it's nothing. |
| 04:25.17 | joe_bleau | if it happens to 10M, maybe something will change. |
| 04:26.10 | joe_bleau | Wonder how hard it is to learn (mandarin/cantonese)? |
| 04:26.21 | jbevren | if I get one, I just hope I can lift the write-enable pin on the flash and put it on a switch :) |
| 04:26.30 | jbevren | heh. the symbolic alphabet would be horrible |
| 04:26.31 | joe_bleau | BGA? |
| 04:26.39 | jbevren | cut/drill the trace out? |
| 04:26.45 | jbevren | I can get a heat gun hehe |
| 04:27.20 | joe_bleau | I'd check to be sure flash is writeable before allowing playback |
| 04:29.38 | jbevren | and when your test sector wears out.. |
| 04:29.42 | jbevren | :) |
| 04:31.20 | joe_bleau | You could read the device code (requires the write enable line, but doesn't actually write to the chip) |
| 04:31.33 | jbevren | hrm |
| 04:31.38 | jbevren | complicates the bypass |
| 04:31.58 | jbevren | CPLD inserted inline to intercept and permit non-write cycles |
| 04:32.07 | jbevren | non-write being any that doesnt modify the data in flash |
| 04:32.14 | joe_bleau | sure |
| 04:32.18 | jbevren | next scenario |
| 04:32.22 | jbevren | play the bd guys again hehe |
| 04:32.54 | joe_bleau | how about including the decoder on the disk? |
| 04:32.56 | joe_bleau | Or the keys? |
| 04:33.09 | jbevren | that's already planned. I'm not really against that tho |
| 04:33.11 | joe_bleau | They have to be copied to flash before playback |
| 04:33.12 | jbevren | its not a bad idea imho |
| 04:33.20 | joe_bleau | (shades of juicebox...) |
| 04:33.21 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:33.29 | jbevren | jb doesnt have flash internally(?) |
| 04:33.30 | joe_bleau | so does your player |
| 04:33.44 | joe_bleau | No, but the video decoder was in the cart, along with the video |
| 04:33.48 | jbevren | ah |
| 04:33.54 | jbevren | right.. which is copied to sdram and run |
| 04:33.58 | jbevren | gotcha |
| 04:33.59 | joe_bleau | yep. |
| 04:34.10 | jbevren | thats a good idea at any rate, lets you run enhanced codecs |
| 04:34.20 | joe_bleau | yeah, maybe not the whole decoder, maybe just the decryption keys. |
| 04:35.02 | jbevren | well that's hardly a 'full effort' for preventing reverse engineering or decryption |
| 04:35.11 | jbevren | if I leave the key in my front door and get robbed |
| 04:35.12 | joe_bleau | seems like you'd limit your DSP architecture if you required a binary decoder download |
| 04:35.16 | jbevren | I'm at fault |
| 04:35.53 | jbevren | hrm I dunno |
| 04:36.01 | jbevren | dsp arch is pretty good these days |
| 04:36.11 | jbevren | and a proprietary dsp would discourage decoding |
| 04:36.38 | joe_bleau | but a single sourced DSP arch doesn't help pricing |
| 04:37.49 | jbevren | true |
| 04:38.14 | joe_bleau | imagine that they're going to load an FPGA bitstream from the disk at startup |
| 04:38.26 | joe_bleau | each disk could have a custom tuned decoder for their bitstream |
| 04:38.45 | joe_bleau | but Xilinx and Altera would cut each others throats trying to get the design win |
| 04:38.51 | jbevren | surround it with a hard-core cpu FPGA |
| 04:38.56 | jbevren | nod |
| 04:39.04 | jbevren | I thought of the virtex line when you mentioned it |
| 04:39.14 | jbevren | a standardized and fairly powerful cpu core |
| 04:39.18 | jbevren | (ppc) |
| 04:39.26 | jbevren | although |
| 04:39.32 | jbevren | I know the woman that holds the patent on reconfigurable computing |
| 04:39.53 | jbevren | afaik Jeri Ellsworth got that patent for her CommodoreOne project |
| 04:40.06 | joe_bleau | "the"? As in the first, or the most important? |
| 04:40.15 | jbevren | one of them.. hehe |
| 04:40.31 | jbevren | the concept of loading fpga code to define the system's function as a part of bootstrapping |
| 04:40.58 | jbevren | the C-1 boots on a 6502-like softcore and loads the computer's configuration from a CF |
| 04:41.17 | jbevren | atari 800, sinclair (qx?), and commodore 64 are current cores |
| 04:41.25 | jbevren | nice little board, I nearly had one once heh |
| 04:41.58 | jbevren | she took some time out to work with mammoth toys and tulip (commodore IP owners) to make that c64-in-a-joystick thingy |
| 04:42.02 | jbevren | anyway, we digress |
| 04:42.32 | joe_bleau | I'm still looking for the patent |
| 04:43.13 | jbevren | it may be that she's only at the application stage |
| 04:43.36 | joe_bleau | *big* difference |
| 04:43.40 | jbevren | indeed |
| 04:43.47 | joe_bleau | I don't see her application online |
| 04:44.35 | joe_bleau | What's Jeri short for? |
| 04:44.45 | jbevren | Jeri :) |
| 04:45.18 | joe_bleau | Where's she live? |
| 04:46.56 | jbevren | she had a commodore shop in oregon, but sold that to develop the c-1. I belive she lived in the central south for soem time |
| 04:47.08 | jbevren | she attends commodore expo's |
| 04:47.23 | joe_bleau | I'm not getting any hits on inventor name ellsworth and oregen in any field. |
| 04:48.00 | joe_bleau | only 129 with name of Ellsworth...that's browseable |
| 04:48.45 | jbevren | I concede in my evident ignorance |
| 04:48.47 | jbevren | hehe |
| 04:48.55 | joe_bleau | I do this quite a bit |
| 04:49.26 | jbevren | hm |
| 04:49.44 | jbevren | random injection: the 68040 caused compatibility issues due to the split I/D cache? Didnt the 030 have a split I/D cache? |
| 04:50.02 | joe_bleau | no clue, never owned one |
| 04:50.04 | jbevren | the incompatibility was within self-modifying code, which I would hope the caches would work with properly.. guess not |
| 04:50.13 | jbevren | anyway |
| 04:50.15 | jbevren | back on topic heh |
| 04:50.43 | joe_bleau | Tons of cooling related patents by Ellsworth. Must be the same guy, and he appears to be busy. |
| 04:50.57 | joe_bleau | I didn't see anything relevant, but it was only a quickie search |
| 04:51.44 | jbevren | nod |
| 04:53.32 | joe_bleau | how's about: keys on both the disk and the player |
| 04:53.41 | joe_bleau | both firmware and content encrypted |
| 04:54.16 | jbevren | hm |
| 04:54.31 | joe_bleau | no vaid keys on disk? then you have no decoder |
| 04:54.47 | joe_bleau | No valid keys in the player? Then you can't read the disk, either. |
| 04:55.07 | jbevren | I get the key from the disk and use it to retrieve the key and algorythm from the player |
| 04:55.09 | joe_bleau | maybe there's a chicken and egg problem there |
| 04:55.42 | joe_bleau | I can see being able to read the disk key |
| 04:55.49 | joe_bleau | but how would you get the one from the ASIC? |
| 04:56.38 | jbevren | if it's on-asic? I dont know, I dont understand engineering that well |
| 04:56.44 | jbevren | if it's not, bus snooping |
| 04:57.08 | joe_bleau | Heck, bits of it may not even be in memory...it could be hard wired into a crypto module, inaccessible to |
| 04:57.11 | jbevren | I believe bus snooping was used to discover the xbox's unencrypted bootstrap |
| 04:57.16 | joe_bleau | even the ASIC's internal CPU. |
| 04:57.19 | jbevren | ah |
| 04:57.22 | jbevren | microcoded |
| 04:57.25 | jbevren | gotcha |
| 04:57.41 | jbevren | but that covers the proprietary dsp discussion earlier |
| 04:57.46 | jbevren | single-sourcing causes pricing problems |
| 04:58.19 | joe_bleau | I dunno...you assign a key to a manufacturer, and they implement it in the ASIC |
| 04:58.40 | jbevren | hm |
| 04:58.48 | jbevren | sure, OTP key ROM on the ASIC |
| 04:59.07 | jbevren | manufacturer burns their key into the asic before shipment |
| 05:00.05 | joe_bleau | maybe some of it is hard coded, and some is in flash (and can be modified or revoked) |
| 05:00.22 | joe_bleau | it makes my head hurt |
| 05:00.40 | jbevren | indeed |
| 05:00.45 | jbevren | I dunno |
| 05:00.52 | jbevren | it smells of skunk as far as I'm concerned |
| 05:01.23 | joe_bleau | and it isn't going to stop piracy |
| 05:01.30 | joe_bleau | oh well, I need to go. |
| 05:01.32 | joe_bleau | Later! |
| 05:02.29 | jbevren | ciao |
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| 12:32.10 | prpplague | jbevren: i think its my desk at the office thats causing the problem with my possible carpal tunnel |
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| 13:01.12 | jbevren | prpplague: doh. |
| 13:01.20 | jbevren | improper elevation? |
| 13:02.00 | prpplague | jbevren: i think the edge of the desk is putting pressure on my arms |
| 13:02.25 | jbevren | ah, you rest your armo n the desk then |
| 13:02.27 | jbevren | that'll do it |
| 13:02.40 | jbevren | I broke that habit by putting my keyboard lower and moving ti to the edge |
| 13:02.45 | prpplague | raise my chair up higher and it seems to be helping |
| 13:02.55 | jbevren | nod |
| 13:02.57 | jbevren | great :0 |
| 13:04.32 | jbevren | my mouse is actually lower than my keyboard. its a pretty strange desk |
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| 13:44.00 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
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| 14:14.07 | jbevren | concur |
| 14:19.57 | jbevren | I HATE RETARDS |
| 14:20.04 | jbevren | this guy is in an email conversation with me |
| 14:20.15 | jbevren | insisting that the email he's using recieves no email whatsoever |
| 14:21.21 | agaffney | o_O |
| 14:21.33 | agaffney | did you ask him how he's receiving your replies? :P |
| 14:21.44 | jbevren | I just did |
| 14:21.50 | agaffney | did you suggest that maybe nobody likes him? |
| 14:22.10 | jbevren | I said I'm confused, cause youre replying to my email messages with an account ath you report cannot receive emails. |
| 14:22.23 | agaffney | heh |
| 14:22.34 | agaffney | is this a guy within your company? |
| 14:22.40 | agaffney | within your office |
| 14:25.40 | jbevren | no, he's a client |
| 14:27.22 | agaffney | ah |
| 14:27.43 | agaffney | so he's not close enough that you can see his head explode when he thinks about your reply :P |
| 14:43.30 | jbevren | sadly no |
| 14:46.46 | jbevren | At the University of Iowa, some people are drinking a regular dose of whipworm eggs. The eggs hatch in the digestive tract, and the worms attach to the lining of the intestine where they skim off a supply of nutrients. Again, the side-effects are negligible, and most patients report a drastic reduction of allergic symptoms. Just dont look into the toilet bowl before you flush. |
| 14:47.12 | agaffney | ehhhh |
| 14:48.44 | jbevren | ehh is right |
| 14:48.57 | jbevren | I'll just eat old leftovers |
| 14:49.00 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:49.43 | agaffney | heh |
| 14:50.57 | jbevren | http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=546 is the article link fyi |
| 14:59.01 | agaffney | "I'll just stick to Claratin." |
| 14:59.02 | agaffney | heh |
| 15:07.14 | jbevren | hm almost beat my highscore on nanaca crash |
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| 15:20.39 | T0mW | prpplague: boo! |
| 15:27.24 | prpplague | hoo |
| 15:27.28 | prpplague | T0mW: whats cookin? |
| 15:27.57 | T0mW | prpplague: ah, just writing a new protocol into this old unit. proprietary thingy |
| 15:28.06 | T0mW | prpplague: what are you working on this week? |
| 15:28.47 | prpplague | T0mW: still trying to push our s3c2410 handheld out |
| 15:28.51 | prpplague | T0mW: power management |
| 15:29.25 | prpplague | T0mW: the hardware folks have made it kinda difficult to implement |
| 15:29.27 | T0mW | prpplague: OOOO! |
| 15:29.35 | T0mW | prpplague: that job sux |
| 15:30.15 | T0mW | prpplague: AFAIK, there (still) isn't a "real" standard for power management? |
| 15:32.00 | jbevren | elite :) |
| 15:32.06 | jbevren | gauze mmm |
| 15:32.07 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:32.49 | T0mW | jbevren: should send him for shock-therapy for reality-check for taking that job on. |
| 15:33.25 | T0mW | prpplague: hey! how did you get suckered into doing that one? |
| 15:33.28 | T0mW | heh |
| 15:34.35 | prpplague | T0mW: no the 2.6 has pretty standardized on some PM stuff |
| 15:34.49 | prpplague | T0mW: problem is we have some proprietary devices i have to suspend as well |
| 15:35.33 | T0mW | prpplague: like the ENC28j60? |
| 15:37.22 | prpplague | T0mW: naw, thats easy, we have several different atmel chips connected in various places |
| 15:38.28 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, I'll let you work then. I've just started on the implementation of this protocol, should keep me busy for a while. |
| 15:41.32 | prpplague | T0mW: fun fun |
| 15:41.36 | prpplague | T0mW: almost done though |
| 15:41.47 | prpplague | T0mW: most everything that is left is tweaks |
| 15:51.27 | T0mW | prpplague: just starting out with mine. spent the last two days taking the ARM C source and getting them running on the i386 so I can quickly build this stuff. |
| 15:51.46 | T0mW | gdb works faster than insight |
| 15:52.35 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:53.19 | T0mW | tweak, burn, connect, debug, repeat :-/ |
| 15:53.29 | prpplague | hmm, can't seem to get call_usermodehelper to execute my app |
| 15:53.50 | prpplague | T0mW: i know the process all too well |
| 15:53.58 | T0mW | nod |
| 15:54.38 | T0mW | with the tuff-stuff, I usually create a wrapper for the ARM source so it can do I/O, then dev on the linux box |
| 16:21.59 | jbevren | grumble |
| 16:22.09 | jbevren | pico is bad for editing config files mmkay? |
| 16:27.17 | agaffney | how so? |
| 16:27.22 | agaffney | I use nano all the time |
| 16:27.30 | agaffney | and it's a pico work-a-like |
| 16:27.31 | jbevren | it adds newlines that dont belong ;-) |
| 16:27.35 | jbevren | enforced word wrap |
| 16:27.40 | jbevren | but yeah yeah use +w |
| 16:27.45 | jbevren | vi assumes +w :) |
| 16:27.53 | agaffney | alias nano='nano -w' |
| 16:27.55 | agaffney | ;) |
| 16:27.58 | jbevren | I also dont really like the UI |
| 16:28.07 | jbevren | and when I type vigr, I expect to get vi, not nano |
| 16:28.10 | jbevren | since I didnt type nanogr |
| 16:28.12 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.30 | jbevren | random question.. linux 2.6 has support for this usb vga adapter.. who sells em? |
| 16:30.40 | jbevren | its some ftdi+SiS combo |
| 16:32.34 | agaffney | http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=usb+vga+adapter&btnG=Search+Froogle |
| 16:33.30 | agaffney | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1088606&Sku=T26-1034&SRCCODE=GOOPROD&CMP=OTC-FROOGLE |
| 16:34.38 | jbevren | so this is the one eh? |
| 16:35.02 | agaffney | it's *a* one :P |
| 16:35.38 | jbevren | nod |
| 16:35.50 | jbevren | is there a canonical list of which adapters work with the driver that I'm missing? |
| 16:37.15 | jbevren | oh, net2280, not ftdi |
| 16:41.28 | prpplague | hehe i love it when the software guy finds tons of hardware errors |
| 16:41.51 | agaffney | heh |
| 17:24.23 | jbevren | http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=14663&Page=1&pagePos=8 |
| 17:24.34 | jbevren | the apple OS X kernel is no longer open source |
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| 18:52.30 | flyback | anyone still looking for juiceboxes ? |
| 18:53.28 | flyback | I think I am gonig to end up just dumping them all, it's too much of a pain in the ass to hack and too expensive |
| 18:53.51 | flyback | actually if I could figure out a replace rom hack easily might be worth it |
| 18:54.02 | flyback | it's not nor flash correct? |
| 18:54.08 | flyback | not/just |
| 18:54.13 | flyback | err |
| 18:54.16 | flyback | sorry it's a otp rom |
| 18:54.21 | flyback | but it's the same pinout as nor flash |
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| 18:55.19 | flyback | I got tons of 128kb or 256kb dip flash chips |
| 18:55.24 | flyback | and a few plcc ones |
| 18:55.31 | flyback | mabye even 1-2 tsop 256's |
| 18:55.48 | flyback | do they make a tsop breakout box like thing |
| 18:56.01 | flyback | you can just solder down to the pads but it has pins on it to attach wires to |
| 18:57.04 | flyback | thinking 128kb rom for a lilo like bootloader |
| 18:57.17 | flyback | so it could then load the os from a sd/mmc card in the cart slot |
| 19:01.56 | prpplague | flyback: yes the CoB rom is nor flash |
| 19:01.56 | prpplague | flyback: yes they do make tsop bob's |
| 19:18.34 | flyback | wtf |
| 19:18.38 | flyback | <prpplague> flyback: yes the CoB rom is nor flash |
| 19:21.42 | jbevren | my jb doesnt have cob flash. it's a TSOP :) |
| 19:22.17 | flyback | it actually has flash in it or a otp ? |
| 19:22.27 | flyback | I have 5 jb's with tsop's |
| 19:22.30 | flyback | I sold one |
| 19:22.36 | flyback | gave the cob unit to my nephew |
| 19:32.25 | prpplague | flyback: its still nor flash |
| 19:34.56 | flyback | well yuo mean in terms of pinout and behavior |
| 19:35.04 | flyback | not actual I can erase and reuse |
| 19:36.18 | flyback | btw |
| 19:36.32 | flyback | is the sandisk usb sm/xd reader the one that can do raw access to the nand |
| 19:36.50 | flyback | you know what I mean |
| 19:39.06 | prpplague | flyback: one of them |
| 19:39.37 | flyback | ooo |
| 19:39.38 | flyback | yes |
| 19:39.42 | flyback | kmart has one for $6 |
| 19:39.48 | flyback | i will get one next time even if I don't use it |
| 19:40.02 | flyback | just to have in case |
| 19:40.32 | flyback | hmm if I had that and I just soldered on a sm or xd socket into a jb |
| 19:40.32 | prpplague | flyback: i doubt its the one that has raw access |
| 19:40.41 | flyback | mabye that would easily |
| 19:40.41 | flyback | oh |
| 19:40.45 | flyback | damn |
| 19:41.20 | prpplague | flyback: why would you need that to solder on a sm or xd socket to the jb? |
| 19:42.41 | flyback | it would make programming and maintaince easier wouldn't it ? |
| 19:43.58 | flyback | well answer me this |
| 19:44.06 | flyback | does the jb rom socket have the write pins on the pad |
| 19:44.28 | prpplague | flyback: only mildly, but once you have the xd booting just put everything on the sd/mmc card |
| 19:44.36 | prpplague | flyback: yea |
| 19:45.18 | flyback | i'm thining a rom replacement would be easier |
| 19:45.29 | prpplague | flyback: not really |
| 19:45.29 | flyback | espically tsop I could probably modify an iron with a flat tip |
| 19:45.32 | flyback | heat up all the pins at once |
| 19:46.04 | prpplague | flyback: you already have all the information and documents you need to do it with having to modify any of the original hardware |
| 19:46.30 | flyback | all seems too expensive and damn hard :P |
| 19:46.41 | prpplague | flyback: too expensive? |
| 19:47.14 | prpplague | flyback: mine PLUS shipping to barbados just cost $23.00 |
| 19:47.38 | flyback | no I mean by the time I buy a sm or xd |
| 19:47.40 | flyback | and try soldering it |
| 19:47.46 | flyback | assuming I don't toast it etc |
| 19:47.52 | prpplague | don't have to solder to it |
| 19:47.56 | flyback | ? |
| 19:48.03 | flyback | ??? |
| 19:48.04 | prpplague | flyback: ??? |
| 19:48.12 | flyback | I saw the web page on hacknig it |
| 19:48.17 | flyback | both needed extensive soldering |
| 19:48.31 | prpplague | flyback: because i wanted it inside a cart |
| 19:49.06 | flyback | you mean all this time I put it off cause you wanetd it to be astestically pleasing? |
| 19:49.25 | prpplague | flyback: uh not my problem |
| 19:49.31 | prpplague | ~lart flyback |
| 19:49.39 | flyback | I know bro I am just giving you a hard time :) |
| 19:49.45 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/wiki/JuiceWareXdSocket |
| 19:49.46 | flyback | had a job interview today we will see how it goes |
| 19:50.03 | jbevren | oh cool good luck :) |
| 19:50.59 | flyback | yeah be nice |
| 19:51.01 | flyback | nice college |
| 19:51.04 | flyback | make good $$$$ |
| 19:51.08 | flyback | 5-10 mins from here |
| 19:51.12 | prpplague | flyback: you can get the parts to hack the jb at walmart and with a radioshack soldering iron you can have linux booting in about 2 hours |
| 19:51.25 | flyback | when I attened that college it was walking distance from my folks house |
| 19:51.35 | flyback | plus they have extensive computer and electronics courses |
| 19:51.38 | flyback | I should show them the jb |
| 19:51.45 | flyback | they would probably buy all the stock from mattel |
| 19:52.07 | flyback | rs soldering irons are canucked |
| 19:52.12 | flyback | total garbage |
| 19:52.16 | flyback | but |
| 19:52.22 | flyback | I went to this auto parts store |
| 19:52.24 | flyback | 30 watt $5 |
| 19:52.28 | flyback | get this the tip is grounded too! |
| 19:52.57 | flyback | well I have a 23 watt weller also |
| 19:53.04 | prpplague | way too big |
| 19:53.06 | flyback | for really small smt but |
| 19:53.15 | flyback | I can never get them to heat up smt pins with copper brain |
| 19:53.17 | flyback | NEVER works |
| 19:53.19 | flyback | :( |
| 19:53.46 | flyback | so you recommend a 15 watt? |
| 19:53.49 | flyback | does that have a smaller tip |
| 19:54.00 | prpplague | prefer 12 |
| 19:54.19 | prpplague | i just did a 144-qfp this morning |
| 19:54.37 | flyback | ok |
| 19:54.42 | flyback | are they really slow to heat up |
| 19:54.48 | flyback | like if you put copper braid on top |
| 19:55.32 | prpplague | nope |
| 19:55.36 | prpplague | good good stuff |
| 19:56.09 | flyback | cool |
| 19:56.12 | flyback | any brand you recommend? |
| 19:56.20 | prpplague | http://shop.willyselectronics.com/browse.cfm/4,1642.htm |
| 19:56.26 | flyback | I love copper braid probably is it never seems to work on some things |
| 19:56.36 | flyback | I end up grabbing the heat gun |
| 19:56.45 | flyback | I am surprised I don't have tumers all over my body yet |
| 19:56.46 | flyback | from fumes |
| 19:57.30 | flyback | 800f |
| 19:57.38 | flyback | will that handle non lead solder also ? |
| 19:58.15 | prpplague | no idea, it does everything i've tested with it |
| 19:58.25 | flyback | I probably sound like a complete freaking idiot but my main problem being I always had limited resources |
| 19:58.29 | flyback | so I am behind on the newer stuff |
| 19:59.15 | flyback | mabye I will look into that as soon as I get some more money |
| 19:59.24 | flyback | right now I need a cpu fan and usb to ide cable badly more than anything :P |
| 19:59.38 | flyback | i got 52 hard drives I'd like to reuse to get rid of the useless ones but I need to check for data first :) |
| 20:00.11 | flyback | if anyone here needs any hd or cdrom parts like a old board xxx for recovery etc |
| 20:00.17 | flyback | let me know and I will save it |
| 20:01.42 | flyback | trying to clean out everything I don't need but want to give to people if they can use it first |
| 20:01.50 | flyback | thx for the link prpp |
| 20:01.55 | flyback | I didn't even know there was a solderless mod |
| 20:02.15 | flyback | I bet my friend in HK could get me a ton of those parts for pennies too |
| 20:02.36 | flyback | ooo that reminds me |
| 20:03.37 | flyback | my good friend from HK is origionally from flipines, he's been in HK for 13 yrs as a semiconductor package failure analyist for ashat |
| 20:03.45 | flyback | they just moved to china and he's now unemployed |
| 20:03.54 | flyback | he worked for TI many yrs ago and his wife and kid are in US |
| 20:04.09 | flyback | if anyone here knows of a company that could use him and can sponsor him |
| 20:04.12 | flyback | please let me know |
| 20:04.59 | flyback | he just bought me a sempron64 3100+ socket 754 cpu and mb too |
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| 20:15.28 | flyback | wow |
| 20:15.33 | flyback | that hack doesn't look too bad |
| 20:17.25 | flyback | I guess this would mean no real reason to get any more mp3 kits correct? |
| 20:19.16 | prpplague | flyback: never was any |
| 20:19.26 | flyback | oh I thuoght there was |
| 20:19.43 | prpplague | flyback: just cheap sd/mmc breakouts |
| 20:20.06 | flyback | yeah but I dunno if I am going to need more than 2 any time soon |
| 20:20.12 | flyback | espically since the jb sucks as a mp3 player |
| 20:21.19 | prpplague | more than two what? |
| 20:21.25 | flyback | mp3 kits |
| 20:21.39 | prpplague | flyback: like i said, they are cheap sd/mmc breakouts |
| 20:21.47 | prpplague | flyback: not like you have to use them with the jb |
| 20:21.53 | flyback | and like I said I doubt I will need more than 2 any time soon |
| 20:21.54 | flyback | I know |
| 20:22.01 | prpplague | flyback: i bought 10 kits, only using one with a jb |
| 20:22.11 | flyback | kmart is down to $10 now for the kits |
| 20:22.26 | prpplague | nice |
| 20:22.27 | flyback | if they get down to around $5 I might get a bunch and just ebay them even :P |
| 20:23.13 | flyback | or trade them here for soldering favors ;) |
| 20:23.18 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=204 |
| 20:23.34 | flyback | love that site :) |
| 20:23.44 | flyback | yeah but that one is nicer :) |
| 20:23.50 | flyback | has all the pins marked and a hole for a wire |
| 20:24.37 | flyback | I guess you guys can't appreciate how bad my dexarity is |
| 20:24.39 | flyback | so it seems weird to you :p |
| 20:27.42 | flyback | saved a neat chip from a answering machien the other day |
| 20:27.46 | flyback | it's a st motor controller ic |
| 20:28.00 | flyback | for brushed motors, it uses the communitator switching noise to determine speed |
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| 21:46.38 | flyback | X-FI IS CANUCKED http://www.petitiononline.com/poipoi1/petition.html |
| 21:46.40 | flyback | man |
| 21:46.44 | flyback | they just can't freaking get it right |
| 21:46.50 | flyback | I am boycotting creative labs for life |
| 21:46.58 | flyback | opps wrong chanel, sorry |
| 22:00.30 | jbevren | flyback: youre telling me?! |
| 22:00.33 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/screens/sb.jpg |
| 22:00.43 | jbevren | that's creative's drivers |
| 22:00.46 | jbevren | telling me I have no sblive |
| 22:07.14 | flyback | their cards buttfuck the pci bus |
| 22:07.21 | flyback | from the live and apprentely even the x-fi |
| 22:07.24 | flyback | why am I not surprised |
| 22:07.42 | flyback | I don't give a flying fuck if they gave out hookers to the open source community |
| 22:07.47 | flyback | besides the driver code |
| 22:07.55 | flyback | when their card's can't fucking obey the pci bus spec |
| 22:08.01 | flyback | pisses me off enough to go kill someone |
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| 23:56.57 | prpplague | jbevren: ping |
