| 00:14.50 | prpplague | jbevren: ebay - Item number: 6058353934 |
| 00:14.54 | joe_bleau | prpplague: ping |
| 00:20.11 | prpplague | joe_bleau: jey |
| 00:20.15 | prpplague | hey |
| 00:20.18 | prpplague | what up? |
| 00:20.40 | joe_bleau | Didya get that contact email I sent? Been having trouble getting through to yahoo.com addresses lately |
| 00:20.57 | prpplague | yep good to go |
| 00:21.16 | joe_bleau | Guess yahoo's not blacklisting my server then. |
| 00:23.40 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 00:44.51 | flyback | To be Vista-capable, a machine needs at least an 800MHz processor, 512MB of memory and a graphics card that can run DirectX 9 graphics. Those requirements are similar to the minimum guidelines the company has been recommending for Vista for some time. |
| 00:44.51 | flyback | Elsewhere on CNET |
| 00:44.51 | flyback | Learn about it |
| 00:44.51 | flyback | Everything you need to know about Vista |
| 00:44.52 | flyback | To carry the Premium Ready designation, a PC must have a 1GHz processor, 1GB of main memory, 128MB of memory and a graphics card that supports Vista's new graphics-driver model. |
| 00:44.55 | flyback | HAHAAHAH |
| 00:46.09 | flyback | they don't even try anymore |
| 00:46.20 | flyback | M$ is so going to be extinct in a few more yrs |
| 00:53.50 | prpplague | flyback: not to sound like an ass, but no one cares about vista |
| 00:53.56 | prpplague | flyback: this is a hack channel |
| 00:54.05 | prpplague | flyback: let keep somewhat on topic |
| 00:57.33 | flyback | ok ;) |
| 01:05.13 | prpplague | thats real productive |
| 01:05.49 | flyback | yeah but it makes me feel damn good |
| 01:08.21 | prpplague | flyback: how old are you? |
| 01:08.35 | flyback | 32 |
| 01:08.40 | flyback | too old |
| 01:10.07 | flyback | quick question |
| 01:10.22 | flyback | is a buzzing like a bat out of hell transformer indicate always a loading problem |
| 01:10.28 | flyback | or could it just be loose potting |
| 01:10.50 | prpplague | how would i know?? hehe i'm no EE |
| 01:11.24 | flyback | dude you don't need to be a ee |
| 01:11.27 | flyback | you just know this stuff |
| 01:11.38 | flyback | you are like me |
| 01:11.41 | flyback | learn by blowing shit up |
| 01:11.42 | flyback | :P |
| 01:11.45 | flyback | not on purpose either |
| 01:33.27 | T0mW | flyback: don't let the smoke out or it won't work anymore |
| 01:34.01 | flyback | I know :/ |
| 01:35.06 | flyback | I wish I could get palm linux to run properly |
| 01:35.07 | flyback | :/ |
| 01:37.51 | joe_bleau | T0mW: can I pick at your brain a moment? |
| 01:39.27 | T0mW | joe_bleau: what little I have left today, sure |
| 01:39.56 | joe_bleau | Ever do anything with the super rugged keypads? I think they're piezo behind a sheet of Al |
| 01:40.46 | T0mW | only thing I've dealt with is monopanel |
| 01:40.53 | T0mW | domes |
| 01:41.23 | joe_bleau | Oh, ok. Knowing the kind of stuff you work on, I thought it was worth asking. |
| 01:41.24 | joe_bleau | Thanks! |
| 01:42.19 | T0mW | you're thinking of NEMA, correct? |
| 01:43.17 | joe_bleau | Not in particular, no. |
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| 03:12.48 | joe_bleau | ought oh, he went to ops |
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| 03:50.06 | TheChronoTrigger | can someone help me out with a definition? What does upper and lower level stack mean? I've heard it used quite a lot in regards to bluetooth. My assumtion is that upper layer stack is high level language, while lower layer stack deals with sending raw commands and parameters... am I way off, or does anyone know what these terms mean? |
| 04:02.06 | jbevren | grumble |
| 04:02.11 | TheChronoTrigger | o.0 |
| 04:02.17 | jbevren | TheChronoTrigger: not you |
| 04:02.22 | TheChronoTrigger | oh :) |
| 04:02.38 | jbevren | if I have my device off, OCD behaves as if everything is fine adn reads data from 9apparently) nowhere |
| 04:02.45 | jbevren | if I have my device on, it claims the cable's disconnected |
| 04:03.13 | TheChronoTrigger | strange indeed |
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| 04:50.52 | jbevren | agaffney: ping |
| 04:51.04 | jbevren | how long is a wiggler supposed to take to initialize (4mhz clock) |
| 04:52.15 | jbevren | it finally comes back with 'cannot enter debug mode' |
| 04:52.15 | jbevren | hrm |
| 04:52.44 | jbevren | and now cable disconnected |
| 04:52.46 | jbevren | wonderbar. |
| 04:52.57 | jbevren | mcgraigor really thinks people will buy their crap after demoing this? |
| 05:00.23 | jbevren | hm |
| 05:00.30 | jbevren | arm720T doesnt have a debug block does it |
| 05:02.01 | jbevren | apparently when the pixter goes to sleep, it powers down |
| 05:02.06 | jbevren | I figured the cpu would just halt :X |
| 05:04.24 | jbevren | at any rate, the signal looks clean at 380khz (max speed in ocd) |
| 05:04.30 | jbevren | minimal overshoot |
| 05:04.41 | jbevren | looks like the 47's will work |
| 05:06.40 | flyback | yo people |
| 05:06.43 | flyback | did you guys see the hack |
| 05:06.45 | flyback | for tv tuner cards |
| 05:06.49 | flyback | to make them into ADC's |
| 05:08.15 | flyback | it was like freaking insane the samples per second |
| 05:08.17 | flyback | lemme find it |
| 05:08.33 | jbevren | flyback: well |
| 05:08.36 | jbevren | :) |
| 05:08.36 | flyback | http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000317067059/ |
| 05:08.44 | jbevren | 720 samples on a single raster line at 15khz |
| 05:08.52 | flyback | The Bt878 chipset is fairly common on TV tuner cards. The chip has a built in analog to digital converter with a sample rate of 119kHz to 448kHz, well above the standard audio rate of 44kHz. The hardware has to be hacked a little to inject your signal since the chip is usually receiving audio from the turner. With some driver hacking this chip can be pushed to 896000 samples per second. Recent developments make things even easier with ALSA |
| 05:09.22 | flyback | sounds better than using a soundcard ;P |
| 05:09.29 | jbevren | sure |
| 05:09.40 | jbevren | but you cant hear anything over the nyquist frequency for 44100 |
| 05:09.44 | jbevren | :) |
| 05:09.51 | flyback | man I have so many things I want to learn if I can just get over this OCD |
| 05:09.57 | flyback | they might try new meds next appointment |
| 05:09.59 | jbevren | nod |
| 05:10.01 | jbevren | OCD's tough |
| 05:10.07 | flyback | I just have piles of s*** waiting to be hacked |
| 05:10.11 | jbevren | I dont have it, but I knew someoen that did |
| 05:10.39 | jbevren | you can leave the house though |
| 05:10.42 | jbevren | she couldnt |
| 05:10.44 | flyback | ouch |
| 05:10.52 | jbevren | her ocd drove to agrophobia |
| 05:11.05 | flyback | they ever get it resolved |
| 05:11.17 | flyback | http://www.domenech.org/bt878a-adc/index-e.htm |
| 05:11.18 | jbevren | dunno, havent heard from her for ages |
| 05:11.33 | jbevren | at any rate, looks like my breadboarded wiggler's working |
| 05:11.40 | flyback | I don't understand the numbers |
| 05:11.48 | flyback | how good that sampling is on a tv card |
| 05:11.51 | jbevren | cd audio is 44k100 |
| 05:11.53 | flyback | I know that dude |
| 05:11.56 | flyback | and you can't hear much over that |
| 05:12.00 | flyback | I mean for non audio stuff |
| 05:12.07 | jbevren | well, 44ksamples/sec means 22kkhz audio |
| 05:12.09 | flyback | like xxx samples second good for motor control etc |
| 05:12.12 | jbevren | which right, we cant hear over |
| 05:12.19 | flyback | it's like telling me it's 24c outside |
| 05:12.21 | jbevren | motor control freq's depend on teh motor actually |
| 05:12.23 | flyback | I have no idea if that is hot or cold |
| 05:12.26 | jbevren | you want a freq that wont heat its coils up :) |
| 05:12.29 | flyback | yes I know that too |
| 05:12.33 | flyback | I am just giving example |
| 05:12.35 | jbevren | but for tv freq |
| 05:12.40 | jbevren | get your calculator |
| 05:12.53 | jbevren | 15000*720 |
| 05:13.01 | jbevren | thats 720 pixels on one line, in hz |
| 05:13.06 | flyback | !purl [01:12] <jbevren> get your calculator |
| 05:13.14 | jbevren | 10800000 |
| 05:13.15 | flyback | !purl 15000*720 |
| 05:13.19 | flyback | !math 15000*720 |
| 05:13.22 | flyback | bah |
| 05:13.23 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.54 | flyback | what I guess I am trying to say is would this be good enough as a poor man's scope |
| 05:13.55 | jbevren | 10mhz sounsd ok for tv too |
| 05:13.59 | flyback | for circuit debugging etc |
| 05:14.10 | jbevren | at 10mhz, sure.. low end stuff |
| 05:14.15 | jbevren | dont expect it to work on a juicebox of course |
| 05:14.30 | jbevren | 10mhz is audio and am-radio |
| 05:14.32 | flyback | heh :P |
| 05:14.41 | jbevren | or commodore64's |
| 05:14.43 | jbevren | and apple2's :) |
| 05:14.45 | flyback | but i's that the range of a lot of switching circuits |
| 05:14.50 | jbevren | (they operate at 1mhz from a master 14mhz clock) |
| 05:15.03 | flyback | also used a 60hz ac clock for some circuits |
| 05:15.06 | flyback | or 50hz |
| 05:15.31 | jbevren | so at a 10MSPS you can view around 5mhz |
| 05:15.46 | flyback | i've hear of using tv tuners to pickup satalite stuff too |
| 05:15.49 | flyback | gps etc |
| 05:15.54 | flyback | ah |
| 05:16.00 | flyback | see that gives me a reference point |
| 05:16.02 | jbevren | btw, the 720 number is one I remember as the max resolution my tv card (bt878) will sample at |
| 05:16.05 | flyback | thx very much |
| 05:16.08 | flyback | <jbevren> so at a 10MSPS you can view around 5mhz |
| 05:16.11 | flyback | that's what I needed |
| 05:16.15 | jbevren | nod |
| 05:16.18 | jbevren | simple rule actually |
| 05:16.27 | jbevren | nyquist freq is the max freq you can capture |
| 05:16.27 | flyback | yeah well I had no clue there was any |
| 05:16.35 | jbevren | nyquist is half your sampling freq |
| 05:16.44 | flyback | ah |
| 05:17.06 | flyback | is there a way to use a diode or something |
| 05:17.10 | flyback | so that you get a signal |
| 05:17.21 | flyback | but you don't pump too much voltage or current into the test gear |
| 05:17.26 | flyback | in this case the tv card and you rpc |
| 05:17.27 | jbevren | sure |
| 05:17.33 | jbevren | that limits your input voltage to .7v |
| 05:17.42 | jbevren | just put a diode across yoru input |
| 05:17.49 | jbevren | however, a high current will just blow the diode :P |
| 05:17.56 | jbevren | so put a resistor upstream to limit current ;-) |
| 05:18.15 | jbevren | then you'll want an amplifier (for low voltage signals) |
| 05:18.21 | jbevren | and a voltage divider (for high ones) |
| 05:18.31 | jbevren | scopes arent simple devices by any means :) |
| 05:18.38 | flyback | but you can still get the correct graph |
| 05:18.41 | flyback | the ups and downs etc |
| 05:18.49 | jbevren | right |
| 05:18.50 | flyback | man that stuff is too vague for my mind |
| 05:18.55 | flyback | it wants yes or no :P |
| 05:18.57 | jbevren | hehe |
| 05:19.10 | jbevren | look for intro to electronics books and read up I guess |
| 05:19.18 | flyback | I have some |
| 05:19.21 | jbevren | its not hard, its just complex |
| 05:19.28 | jbevren | anyway, I must sleep |
| 05:19.29 | flyback | yeah |
| 05:19.32 | flyback | night bro |
| 05:19.32 | flyback | thx |
| 05:19.38 | jbevren | otherwise I'd talk more heh |
| 05:19.38 | flyback | haha |
| 05:19.40 | flyback | before you go |
| 05:19.41 | flyback | listen |
| 05:19.43 | flyback | my friend in HK |
| 05:19.49 | flyback | bought me a pci diag card |
| 05:20.02 | flyback | it's just 3 uhh programmable logic chips |
| 05:20.02 | jbevren | a post reader? |
| 05:20.04 | flyback | what are they called |
| 05:20.07 | flyback | yeah $5 item |
| 05:20.08 | jbevren | discrete logic |
| 05:20.15 | flyback | and 4 led 7 seg things |
| 05:20.18 | jbevren | theyre handy |
| 05:20.19 | flyback | 2 and 2 |
| 05:20.21 | jbevren | but I dont have one lol |
| 05:20.22 | flyback | wired together |
| 05:20.25 | flyback | in linux |
| 05:20.28 | flyback | it goes nuts |
| 05:20.32 | jbevren | yeah |
| 05:20.42 | flyback | code 9 and looks like 6 or 7 constantely changing |
| 05:20.44 | flyback | hehe |
| 05:20.48 | jbevren | the port used for the debug card gets hit a lot by linux somehow |
| 05:20.57 | flyback | ah |
| 05:20.57 | jbevren | not really sure why |
| 05:21.08 | flyback | just kinda funny :P |
| 05:21.12 | jbevren | the place I used to work at used motherboards with post digits onboard |
| 05:21.26 | flyback | oh pal's |
| 05:21.30 | flyback | that's what the chips are called |
| 05:21.32 | jbevren | ah |
| 05:21.36 | jbevren | the generic term is PLD |
| 05:21.39 | flyback | pld |
| 05:21.40 | flyback | thx |
| 05:21.43 | jbevren | programmable logic device |
| 05:21.49 | flyback | yeah you are right |
| 05:21.50 | jbevren | that'll nicely cover fpga, cpld, etc |
| 05:21.54 | flyback | it's 1am brain not work well |
| 05:22.07 | jbevren | too true |
| 05:22.11 | flyback | night bro |
| 05:27.25 | jbevren | see ya |
| 05:32.17 | TheChronoTrigger | are you guys still around? |
| 05:34.30 | TheChronoTrigger | I guess not :( |
| 05:34.56 | flyback | well feel free to stay the night and ask tomarrow also :) |
| 05:34.59 | flyback | always welcome here |
| 05:35.09 | flyback | goodnight |
| 05:35.10 | TheChronoTrigger | thanks |
| 05:38.16 | TheChronoTrigger | Well I post the question again in case anyone sees it before tomorrow |
| 05:38.31 | TheChronoTrigger | can someone help me out with a definition? What does upper and lower level stack mean? I've heard it used quite a lot in regards to bluetooth. My assumption is that upper layer stack is high level language, while lower layer stack deals with sending raw commands and parameters... am I way off, or does anyone know what these terms mean? |
| 05:40.26 | flyback | no clue :P |
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| 13:33.31 | jbevren | prpplague: ping |
| 13:34.13 | prpplague | jbevren: pong |
| 13:34.31 | jbevren | prpplague: I found some 47 ohm resistors last night ;-) |
| 13:34.37 | jbevren | added them to my wiggler gadget |
| 13:34.37 | prpplague | lovely |
| 13:34.40 | jbevren | anyway |
| 13:34.41 | prpplague | ??? |
| 13:34.43 | prpplague | and? |
| 13:34.48 | jbevren | OCD commander reports that the pixter cpu cannot enter debug mode |
| 13:35.04 | jbevren | sharp says the core is 720T, not 720TD |
| 13:35.04 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe |
| 13:35.15 | prpplague | right |
| 13:35.16 | jbevren | but it -is- doing this without crashing the pixter now :) |
| 13:35.18 | prpplague | that should be correct |
| 13:35.21 | jbevren | so what to do now :) |
| 13:35.51 | prpplague | jbevren: 720T has a arm7tdmi core |
| 13:35.56 | prpplague | d for debug |
| 13:36.01 | jbevren | ahh |
| 13:36.04 | jbevren | I dont know the families |
| 13:36.16 | jbevren | anyway, OCD reports 'cant enter debug mode' or so |
| 13:36.19 | prpplague | jbevren: the sharp proc's have a specific pin to enable debugging via jtag |
| 13:36.24 | jbevren | aha! |
| 13:36.28 | jbevren | know which one? |
| 13:36.55 | jbevren | heh this thing needs a reog and reinstall |
| 13:36.56 | prpplague | not off the top of my head |
| 13:37.00 | jbevren | k |
| 13:37.19 | jbevren | np |
| 13:37.23 | jbevren | if you dont know, do your normal stuff :) |
| 13:37.42 | jbevren | its low priority for me too, our 'sysadmin' staff is a bit busy mucking up servers this week |
| 13:39.51 | jbevren | fyi: |
| 13:39.53 | jbevren | T2, R3 |
| 13:39.58 | jbevren | tie low for ICE |
| 13:43.28 | jbevren | wonder if thats what those two unlabeled pads are |
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| 14:01.22 | jbevren | tie test2=no bootstrap and cable disconnected |
| 14:01.46 | jbevren | tie test1=ocd goes into debug mode but the PC doesnt change when you read it multiple times (meanwhile the pixter's music plays away) |
| 14:02.32 | jbevren | the two unlabelled pads are labelled 'test' and 'test2' on the bottom ;-) |
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| 14:29.32 | jbevren | note: tie test2 with a 4.7k resistor |
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| 15:32.54 | prpplague | ~exchange 900 BSP to USD |
| 15:33.11 | prpplague | uh no |
| 15:33.25 | prpplague | ~exchange 900 GPB to USD |
| 15:33.36 | prpplague | ~exchange 900 GBP to USD |
| 15:33.42 | jbevren | http://www.google.com/search?hs=ng4&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=900+gbp+in+usd&btnG=Search |
| 15:33.47 | jbevren | google is useful |
| 15:34.07 | jbevren | a few cents off, but useful |
| 15:34.19 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, so is purl when you don't have a graphical web browser |
| 15:34.35 | jbevren | prpplague: . o O ( lynx ) |
| 15:34.36 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:34.48 | jbevren | btw, get my note about debug mode? |
| 15:35.13 | prpplague | jbevren: yea i read through it but i'm real busy today |
| 15:35.19 | jbevren | nod |
| 15:35.29 | jbevren | just making sure you're aware that I got jtag mostly working |
| 15:35.33 | jbevren | now get back to work, slacker :) |
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| 18:37.46 | prpplague | jbevren: pixterexpansionslot table has been updated |
| 19:08.46 | flyback | http://hddguru.com/ <-- might be useful to some of you, be back later |
| 19:13.52 | jbevren | prpplague: ok |
| 19:23.24 | T0mW | DOH! |
| 19:23.57 | T0mW | program runs much better since I increased the IRQ stacksize from 128bytes to 1k bytes. :/ |
| 19:24.08 | T0mW | nothing like crashing the stack |
| 19:25.12 | jbevren | Doh! |
| 19:26.06 | T0mW | I added some more stuff inside the interrupt handler. Like a few nested calls to routines where they allocated some local strings of 64 bytes each. hheh |
| 19:40.17 | prpplague | T0mW`away: ping |
| 19:40.21 | prpplague | T0mW`away: hey before you go |
| 19:40.37 | prpplague | T0mW`away: nm |
| 20:47.35 | jbevren | doh hehe |
| 21:08.50 | jbevren | prp: clerical error.. you updated the table but not the text reference to the (old) pin 1 |
| 21:08.56 | jbevren | bah he left already |
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| 21:46.02 | flyback | omg my eyes are on fire |
| 21:46.07 | flyback | trying to use this 15 inch crt |
| 21:46.18 | flyback | GOOD! |
| 21:46.23 | agaffney | CRT-- |
| 21:46.40 | flyback | this was the only way to force myself off this celeron 600, cause I feel "confortable" and get the sempron64 3100+ up and running |
| 21:46.41 | agaffney | my secondary display at home is a CRT, and it always looks fuzzy to me compared to the TFT |
| 21:46.49 | flyback | agaffney I just repaired my 19 inch crt |
| 21:46.53 | agaffney | and hurts my eyes |
| 21:46.53 | flyback | that was fuzzy it's easy |
| 21:47.02 | agaffney | it's not *really* fuzzy |
| 21:47.02 | flyback | make sure your refresh is at least 75hz |
| 21:47.07 | agaffney | it's just less sharp than the TFT |
| 21:47.13 | flyback | agaffney if you go inside your monitor |
| 21:47.18 | flyback | be careful enough voltage to kill you |
| 21:47.19 | agaffney | when I was using 2 CRTs, it looked fine to me |
| 21:47.28 | flyback | I suggest you wear rubber gloves and use a plastic screwdriver |
| 21:47.38 | agaffney | there's nothing wrong with my CRT |
| 21:47.40 | flyback | on the flyback transformer there is a x and y focus adjuster |
| 21:47.43 | flyback | oh ok |
| 21:47.45 | agaffney | my eyes adjust after ~30 seconds |
| 21:47.48 | flyback | cause mine was wacked |
| 21:47.49 | agaffney | and then it looks fine |
| 21:47.52 | flyback | I guess the move threw it off |
| 21:47.55 | flyback | this fixed it |
| 22:02.17 | *** join/#edev likewise (n=chatzill@82-171-189-134.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 22:04.57 | flyback | http://news.com.com/Dell+opts+for+AMDs+Opteron/2100-1006_3-6074059.html?tag=nefd.top <---- HOLY MOTHER OF CANUCK |
| 22:06.47 | *** join/#edev prpplague (n=dave@72.22.141.9) |
| 22:10.30 | flyback | prpplague |
| 22:10.31 | flyback | dude |
| 22:10.39 | flyback | DELL BUCKLED |
| 22:10.42 | flyback | http://news.com.com/Dell+opts+for+AMDs+Opteron/2100-1006_3-6074059.html?tag=nefd.top |
| 22:10.58 | prpplague | flyback: yes i can read |
| 22:11.17 | prpplague | flyback: what does that have to do with hacking small arm devices? |
| 22:11.26 | flyback | nothing it's just neat to watch |
| 22:11.30 | flyback | all us tech heads watch this stuff |
| 22:11.51 | prpplague | flyback: lets try to stay on topic |
| 22:12.03 | flyback | I do but thought this news was big enought to share :) |
| 22:12.14 | prpplague | flyback: don't share |
| 22:13.42 | flyback | ok :/ |
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| 23:03.16 | jbevren | prpplague: I fixed a clerical error in pixterexpansionslot.. you changed the table but the text still noted pin 1 for power control ;-) |
| 23:14.02 | prpplague | doh |
| 23:14.08 | prpplague | thanks |
| 23:14.12 | prpplague | bbiab |