| 00:00.30 | joe_bleau | I wondering which is more scarce: an honest lawyer, or an honest salesman? |
| 00:05.30 | agaffney | I'm sure they both exist |
| 00:05.34 | agaffney | they just don't last long |
| 00:06.28 | CosmicPenguin | at least a lawyer *knows* he is dishonest |
| 00:06.42 | CosmicPenguin | A salesman doesn't think he's doing anything wrong |
| 00:07.20 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:12.07 | joe_bleau | A salesman that *thinks*!? Maybe I'll meet one of those someday. |
| 00:12.56 | prpplague | http://www.explosm.net/comics/52/ |
| 00:15.37 | joe_bleau | prpplague: up for a lnode question? |
| 00:15.58 | agaffney | prpplague: good stuff |
| 00:16.03 | agaffney | I just discovered that comic a week ago |
| 00:18.03 | joe_bleau | Wow. A whole slew of news on linuxdevices.com |
| 00:18.39 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea shoot |
| 00:18.58 | joe_bleau | 16MB flash and 32MB sdram, right? |
| 00:19.44 | prpplague | yea |
| 00:20.51 | joe_bleau | Is there a quick way to burn that flash? Wouldn't bit-banged JTAG or serial would be pretty slow? |
| 00:21.13 | joe_bleau | Just occured to me the other day after we discussed that it didn't have ethernet standard. |
| 00:21.43 | joe_bleau | Sure, JTAG or serial bootstrap to get the bootloader in |
| 00:21.57 | joe_bleau | But that's small compared to the kernel and apps. |
| 00:22.25 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea, jtag to get the bootloader on |
| 00:22.35 | CosmicPenguin | a good zmodem will download the kernel and apps in a decent amount of time |
| 00:22.41 | prpplague | joe_bleau: then you can use rs-232, usb, or ethernet |
| 00:23.01 | joe_bleau | bootloader supports USB? That would be spiffy. |
| 00:23.58 | prpplague | yea |
| 00:24.06 | prpplague | apex, added it |
| 00:24.18 | prpplague | usb slave only right now |
| 00:24.31 | joe_bleau | does it simulate a drive? |
| 00:24.47 | prpplague | joe_bleau: no, just bulk transfer |
| 00:25.07 | prpplague | joe_bleau: haven't figured out an easy way to do mass storage from the bootloader |
| 00:25.18 | prpplague | joe_bleau: oh you can also use sd/mmc card via the spi interface |
| 00:25.46 | joe_bleau | That sounds like the best bet. |
| 00:26.11 | prpplague | yea thats the method i prefer |
| 00:28.23 | joe_bleau | Flippin' through the Mouser catalog the other day I ran across some Digi boards (CoreConnect, I think) |
| 00:28.34 | joe_bleau | that reminded me of your plan. |
| 00:28.53 | prpplague | joe_bleau: naw, their stuff doesnt even come close |
| 00:28.59 | prpplague | joe_bleau: its all arm7tdmi |
| 00:29.01 | prpplague | no mmu |
| 00:29.08 | joe_bleau | xscale--no mmu? |
| 00:29.39 | joe_bleau | I guess the mmu is optional on arm9? |
| 00:29.39 | prpplague | joe_bleau: odd, never heard of digi doing xscale |
| 00:29.45 | prpplague | joe_bleau: you got a url? |
| 00:29.48 | joe_bleau | http://www.digi.com/products/embeddedsolutions/connectcorexp.jsp |
| 00:30.29 | joe_bleau | Yeah, their arm9 stuff has mmu. |
| 00:30.36 | joe_bleau | Or so they claim... |
| 00:31.11 | prpplague | joe_bleau: well depends on the arm model, arm9 is just a family |
| 00:31.15 | prpplague | just like arm7 |
| 00:31.30 | prpplague | joe_bleau: but thats nothing close to what we are doing |
| 00:31.30 | joe_bleau | Not up on the arm9 options. |
| 00:31.36 | joe_bleau | Oh, ok. |
| 00:32.01 | prpplague | that has 2 100-pin connectors |
| 00:32.18 | joe_bleau | How 'bout: http://www.digi.com/products/embeddedsolutions/connectcore9u.jsp |
| 00:32.32 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I know, 48 pins. |
| 00:34.29 | prpplague | thats closer |
| 00:35.08 | prpplague | doesn't say which arm9 though |
| 00:35.10 | joe_bleau | I didn't mean to imply that it was the same thing. Just that it reminded me. |
| 00:35.45 | prpplague | yea |
| 00:35.50 | prpplague | thats similiar |
| 00:36.15 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea those are the netsilicon chips, no mmu |
| 00:36.27 | prpplague | joe_bleau: strictly an arm9tdmi chip |
| 00:36.47 | joe_bleau | CE runs without an MMU? |
| 00:37.19 | prpplague | joe_bleau: don;t know |
| 00:37.21 | joe_bleau | The specs on the 9c claim an MMU |
| 00:37.31 | prpplague | joe_bleau: but i take that back its based on an atmel arm |
| 00:37.42 | prpplague | yea its an arm920t |
| 00:37.46 | prpplague | with mmu |
| 00:38.10 | joe_bleau | 9750: mmu |
| 00:38.26 | joe_bleau | 9360: mmu |
| 00:38.39 | prpplague | yea its an arm920t |
| 00:39.05 | prpplague | at91rm9200 |
| 00:39.08 | joe_bleau | They're claiming 9826EJ-S...is that the same thing? |
| 00:39.18 | joe_bleau | ARM926EJ-S, I mean... |
| 00:40.18 | joe_bleau | The NS arm7 stuff appears to be quite a bit older and slower |
| 00:40.49 | prpplague | joe_bleau: where are you seeing arm926ej-s? |
| 00:40.58 | joe_bleau | http://www.digi.com/products/embeddedsolutions/ns9360specs.jsp |
| 00:41.02 | prpplague | the datasheet i just downloaded says at91rm9200 |
| 00:41.16 | joe_bleau | I'm looking at the NS chip specs, not the board specs. |
| 00:41.26 | joe_bleau | http://www.digi.com/products/embeddedsolutions/ns9750specs.jsp |
| 00:41.34 | prpplague | oh we are looking at two different items |
| 00:41.39 | joe_bleau | Doh! |
| 00:41.43 | joe_bleau | ;-) |
| 00:42.02 | prpplague | joe_bleau: the second one that is 48-pins is what i'm looking at |
| 00:42.19 | joe_bleau | Ok, yeah, I think the 9U is based on the Atmel device |
| 00:42.25 | prpplague | yea |
| 00:42.48 | joe_bleau | Probably a lot slower than the 2410 |
| 00:42.49 | prpplague | yea the 48 pin one is similiar |
| 00:43.13 | prpplague | ours supports either 2 usb host or 1 host and 1 slave |
| 00:43.21 | prpplague | has more spi interfaces |
| 00:43.27 | prpplague | and only has 40 pins |
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| 14:22.09 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 14:22.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning it is |
| 14:22.18 | jbevren | that it is :( |
| 14:22.21 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:22.54 | jbevren | me too, but mostly on principle |
| 14:22.58 | prpplague | junior programmer giving me headaches |
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| 14:28.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think the junior programmer is gunning for my job |
| 14:30.39 | CosmicPenguin | I would fire him if he didn't |
| 14:31.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh? |
| 14:31.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whys that? |
| 14:31.49 | CosmicPenguin | Because it shows drive |
| 14:31.58 | CosmicPenguin | You don |
| 14:32.06 | CosmicPenguin | You wouldn't want your bosses job? |
| 14:32.14 | prpplague | hell no |
| 14:32.31 | CosmicPenguin | Ok - better question - wouldn't you want a better programming job that paid more? |
| 14:32.31 | agaffney | I certaintly wouldn't |
| 14:32.51 | prpplague | and i wouldn't go to my boss's boss and try to make my boss look bad |
| 14:33.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i would, but i wouldn't stab someone in the back to get it |
| 14:33.24 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, but don't act surprised that it happened |
| 14:33.41 | CosmicPenguin | Its like my mom - she is in real estate, and is constantly amazed at how low the other agents are |
| 14:33.44 | CosmicPenguin | and I'm like - well duh.... |
| 14:33.56 | cougarvt | prpplague: at least your boss doesn't go to his boss to make you look bad |
| 14:34.15 | CosmicPenguin | never underestimate the ability of people to screw you over |
| 14:34.29 | cougarvt | prpplague: that's my old boss' favorite trick to make him look better (a bit backwards but...) |
| 14:34.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, its hard imagine when you don't think that way |
| 14:35.30 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: you just need to be more cynical |
| 14:35.42 | CosmicPenguin | assume that people are screwing you - that way you aren't surprised when they do |
| 14:36.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, just not my personality |
| 14:37.20 | CosmicPenguin | optimism is for suckers |
| 14:38.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: wouldn't term it optimism, more honesty in my book |
| 14:39.02 | CosmicPenguin | You are optimistic that people will be honest |
| 14:39.05 | CosmicPenguin | same difference |
| 14:39.49 | prpplague | that makes sense then |
| 14:42.19 | agaffney | hoping people will be honest is a lost cause in most cases |
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| 14:45.25 | CosmicPenguin | I love slashdot - one good review for the new Intel processor, and they're all like "AMD's dominance is over!" |
| 14:45.34 | CosmicPenguin | I'll turn off the lights when I leave |
| 14:45.34 | agaffney | heh |
| 14:46.03 | agaffney | AMD is going to continue to kick Intel's ass over and over |
| 14:46.22 | CosmicPenguin | Nah - its all over |
| 14:46.26 | CosmicPenguin | if slashdot says it, it must be true |
| 14:46.29 | agaffney | even if Intel pulls ahead here and there |
| 14:46.30 | agaffney | heh |
| 14:46.34 | CosmicPenguin | I'm just waiting for my last paycheck |
| 14:46.40 | agaffney | netcraft confirms it...AMD is dead! |
| 14:46.42 | agaffney | heh |
| 14:46.54 | agaffney | in soviet russia, you pwn Intel |
| 14:46.59 | agaffney | or something :P |
| 14:47.13 | agaffney | I wouldn't be packing up my desk quite yet :) |
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| 15:18.51 | ctaylor | any buildroot users? |
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| 15:25.34 | prpplague | doh |
| 15:25.36 | prpplague | power outage |
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| 15:32.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i guess thats why i'm not a millionaire |
| 15:33.08 | CosmicPenguin | because you can't get consistant power? |
| 15:41.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no, because i'm not a cut throat person |
| 15:45.10 | CosmicPenguin | anyone know of any static analysis apps that will flag unaligned memory accesses? |
| 15:49.03 | prpplague | hehe not me |
| 15:49.18 | prpplague | but that would be a nice app to have around |
| 15:53.52 | CosmicPenguin | you know what - I'll bet one could do a valgrind module with little effort that tracked something like that |
| 16:02.51 | CosmicPenguin | lucky for you arm weinies - unaligned accesses causes an exeption |
| 16:03.43 | CosmicPenguin | lart x86! |
| 16:08.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you ever fill that job there? |
| 16:08.45 | CosmicPenguin | sort of |
| 16:10.41 | agaffney | what job? |
| 16:11.18 | agaffney | I seem to recall a Gentoo developer (Mike Frysinger) getting a job offer from AMD to do arm development |
| 16:11.23 | jbevren | unaligned access on arm causes an exception? |
| 16:11.28 | agaffney | but that's only a very vague recollection |
| 16:11.31 | jbevren | I thought it just quietly returned invalid data |
| 16:12.34 | prpplague | agaffney: uh i don't think so |
| 16:12.39 | prpplague | agaffney: amd doesn't do arm |
| 16:13.05 | prpplague | agaffney: mips maybe |
| 16:14.11 | agaffney | maybe it was mips |
| 16:14.21 | CosmicPenguin | AMD definately doesn't do arm |
| 16:14.32 | CosmicPenguin | and we don't do mips any more either, so I doubt we were offering jobs in that regard |
| 16:14.58 | CosmicPenguin | jbevren: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/Alignment |
| 16:15.07 | agaffney | pfft...ok, I was off a bit |
| 16:15.12 | agaffney | it was ATI and mips :P |
| 16:17.17 | CosmicPenguin | That makes more sense.. :) |
| 16:17.41 | agaffney | o_O |
| 16:21.34 | jbevren | the cpu can trap it neat |
| 16:21.37 | jbevren | bus error! |
| 16:21.38 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:22.10 | CosmicPenguin | Thats prettty cool though - to have a /proc file to show it |
| 16:22.24 | CosmicPenguin | Now, if it could only trace it |
| 16:22.57 | CosmicPenguin | foo.c:43 |
| 16:23.18 | jbevren | gdb and coredumps |
| 16:23.23 | jbevren | at the bottom of your link :) |
| 16:23.30 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, heh |
| 16:23.48 | CosmicPenguin | If I could get my damn performance counters to fire a NMI, then I could track them too |
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| 18:17.08 | prpplague | ~quote scox |
| 19:11.56 | CosmicPenguin | RIP Lloyd Bentsen |
| 19:12.03 | CosmicPenguin | You sir, are no Jack Kennedy |
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