| 00:07.14 | joe_bleau | Quite the quiet night. |
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| 13:06.16 | jbevren | yawn |
| 13:06.22 | jbevren | friday's here |
| 13:06.24 | jbevren | :D |
| 13:09.22 | prpplague | merry f'n friday |
| 13:12.22 | jbevren | yeah well I refuse to let your mood ruin mine :) |
| 13:12.56 | prpplague | jbevren: you have monday off? |
| 13:13.01 | jbevren | nope :X |
| 13:13.56 | jbevren | hm |
| 13:14.05 | jbevren | di-604 rev.e has an arm9 cpu |
| 13:14.11 | jbevren | my sister gave me her old router :) |
| 13:14.19 | prpplague | interesting |
| 13:14.21 | prpplague | url? |
| 13:14.40 | jbevren | http://support.dlink.com/products/revision.asp (probably wont link you to the page I'm on) |
| 13:14.46 | jbevren | dlink di-604 |
| 13:14.50 | prpplague | ahh |
| 13:14.53 | jbevren | they have two revisions, one with arm7 |
| 13:14.54 | prpplague | what arm chip? |
| 13:14.58 | jbevren | the other with arm9 |
| 13:15.09 | jbevren | marvell 88e6208 |
| 13:15.30 | prpplague | ahh |
| 13:15.40 | jbevren | has a 10pin port (rs232 probably) and a 20pin port (probably jtag) |
| 13:15.41 | prpplague | jbevren: sounds interesting |
| 13:16.02 | prpplague | interesting |
| 13:16.42 | jbevren | ram is ic42s16400 |
| 13:17.04 | jbevren | flash m29w80000b |
| 13:18.46 | prpplague | interesting no matches |
| 13:19.01 | jbevren | it has ST's logo |
| 13:19.04 | jbevren | maybe I mistyped it |
| 13:19.26 | jbevren | m29w8000b |
| 13:19.55 | jbevren | and a serial rom (maybe) utc mc34063a |
| 13:23.13 | jbevren | m29w800db? |
| 13:23.20 | jbevren | the D's really vaguely not a D |
| 13:23.21 | prpplague | you sure its not m29w800d |
| 13:23.23 | prpplague | ? |
| 13:23.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:23.53 | prpplague | 1MB x 8 |
| 13:23.57 | prpplague | only one? |
| 13:24.04 | jbevren | yeah, its really slim on flash |
| 13:24.17 | jbevren | an altera epm3032 too |
| 13:24.52 | jbevren | the memories look like theyre connected to the cpu |
| 13:24.57 | jbevren | eth ports too |
| 13:25.33 | jbevren | one crystal at 25mhz |
| 13:26.43 | jbevren | http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/8156/m29w800db.htm |
| 13:26.52 | prpplague | yea already found it |
| 13:28.18 | jbevren | seems difficult to get info on the marvell |
| 13:28.47 | jbevren | this flash'll be the tsop48 format |
| 13:28.55 | jbevren | 90ns |
| 13:29.53 | prpplague | yea marvell is not friendly to smaller devrs |
| 13:31.31 | jbevren | you'd think they'd want everyone to use their ICs |
| 13:32.08 | prpplague | jbevren: you'd think that, but you;d be wrong |
| 13:32.23 | prpplague | jbevren: they are only interested in people who will buy atleast 20k |
| 13:33.27 | jbevren | shrug |
| 13:33.32 | jbevren | thats what distributors are for lol |
| 13:34.12 | prpplague | jbevren: well they don't even want people to have specs |
| 13:34.35 | jbevren | that's for device security (makes gay motion with his wrist) |
| 13:48.30 | jbevren | this is likely a faq, but you can run an arm9 debugger without the cpu's bdf yeah? |
| 13:50.15 | jbevren | generic specs on gridtoday.com |
| 13:50.20 | jbevren | 133mhz core |
| 13:50.26 | jbevren | one uart |
| 13:51.34 | jbevren | I'll have to see if it spits any data out when I have a free moment |
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| 14:13.08 | prpplague | http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/5/24/238 |
| 14:15.23 | CosmicPenguin | Yeah, I had some guys here look at it |
| 14:15.28 | jbevren | ah |
| 14:15.29 | CosmicPenguin | they said its a good start, but its still missing alot |
| 14:15.32 | jbevren | I read about this but didnt check it out |
| 14:16.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 14:16.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm dl'n a copy |
| 14:16.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: figured i'd give it a look see |
| 14:17.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning btw |
| 14:30.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: plans this weekend? |
| 14:31.01 | jbevren | so, does anyone here have connections to get docs from marvell? :D |
| 14:31.24 | prpplague | *cough* |
| 14:31.34 | prpplague | i do but i'm under NDA |
| 14:31.49 | jbevren | I'll forget where they came from ;-) |
| 14:31.51 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:33.33 | jbevren | I still pretty firmly believe that the only reason to behave like marvell is cause they have something to hide (stolen tech?) heh |
| 14:33.49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: camping |
| 14:33.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lovely |
| 14:34.17 | jbevren | I'll be camping soon enough |
| 14:34.40 | jbevren | hm is $25 a good price for a class 1 bluetooth radio? |
| 14:34.52 | prpplague | depends |
| 14:35.06 | jbevren | it apparently supports linux |
| 14:35.07 | jbevren | oh |
| 14:35.10 | jbevren | on sale now |
| 14:35.13 | jbevren | $16.99 |
| 14:35.16 | prpplague | jbevren: url? |
| 14:35.21 | jbevren | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=NET10262 |
| 14:35.26 | prpplague | oh yea |
| 14:35.30 | prpplague | those are a good price |
| 14:35.39 | jbevren | I want to get bluetooth onto my tv pc |
| 14:35.50 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.15 | prpplague | yea that should work |
| 14:36.24 | jbevren | I'm impressed with my acer laptop |
| 14:36.24 | prpplague | i'm just now getting into bluetooth myself |
| 14:36.35 | jbevren | I can go clear across the house before my cellphone headset starts to break up |
| 14:36.38 | prpplague | i have a potential product based on using BT |
| 14:36.51 | prpplague | jbevren: cool you use it under linux? |
| 14:36.55 | CosmicPenguin | wow |
| 14:36.59 | jbevren | I havent tried with the headset |
| 14:37.02 | jbevren | but my ms mouse works |
| 14:37.14 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a good price for something that claims to support so many profiles |
| 14:37.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they generally have good stuff |
| 14:37.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i buy from them alot |
| 14:37.52 | prpplague | come to think of it, i've never had a problem with anything i've purchased fromt hem |
| 14:38.05 | jbevren | I buy from them now and then |
| 14:38.10 | jbevren | I was only unhappy once |
| 14:38.17 | jbevren | they had ibooks on their site and were out of stock |
| 14:38.23 | jbevren | and instead of contacting me they delayed my order |
| 14:38.29 | jbevren | grumble :) |
| 14:38.41 | jbevren | but once I cancelled the ibook the order came quickly |
| 14:39.11 | jbevren | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=CES11108 is pretty cool |
| 14:39.14 | jbevren | uses a vlsi1001k |
| 14:39.45 | jbevren | the fm transmitter in mine was dead, but I have a separate transmitter so I didnt care (the headphone jack is an output) |
| 14:40.52 | prpplague | jbevren: i was looking to order one of those |
| 14:41.22 | jbevren | order a handful so customs can have one too ;) |
| 14:41.34 | jbevren | ti works with fat32 |
| 14:41.37 | jbevren | scans subdir's |
| 14:41.47 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:41.48 | jbevren | plays 320kbit mp3's too |
| 14:41.53 | prpplague | nice |
| 14:42.04 | jbevren | the usb part is a single-chip usb mp3 player solution |
| 14:42.18 | jbevren | I guess it just reads the fs and spits data to the vlsi1001k |
| 14:42.34 | CosmicPenguin | I bought one |
| 14:42.49 | jbevren | so $17 for the bt adapter's good |
| 14:42.53 | jbevren | I might get a couple this afternoon |
| 14:42.56 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:42.56 | CosmicPenguin | the bluetooth adapter - All I have around the office are serial profile dongles |
| 14:43.17 | jbevren | CosmicPenguin: I want to get a couple serial radios for my older systems |
| 14:43.20 | jbevren | like my c64 |
| 14:43.36 | jbevren | it can do networking via ppp |
| 14:43.44 | jbevren | so a rs232 bluetooth radio would be pretty neat |
| 14:44.11 | CosmicPenguin | excuse me while I go beat the crap out of totem |
| 14:44.25 | jbevren | prpplague: oh, the mouse came with a MS radio btw |
| 14:44.31 | jbevren | I cant find drivers for it :( |
| 14:44.37 | jbevren | stupid ms :) |
| 14:45.00 | jbevren | 'microsoft wirel;ess transciever for bluetooth 2.0' model 1003 |
| 14:45.44 | prpplague | i'd really like to get some help with this particular bluetooth project, but i can't discuss it at the momment :( |
| 14:45.51 | jbevren | nod |
| 14:45.55 | jbevren | I know very little about bt |
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| 14:46.40 | CosmicPenguin | bt is easy though |
| 14:46.49 | CosmicPenguin | The existing subystem is pretty straight forward |
| 14:47.37 | jbevren | seems so |
| 14:47.48 | jbevren | my only peave right now is my motorola headset needs to be re-paired every time I turn it off |
| 14:47.58 | jbevren | windows wont store the pairing info grr |
| 14:48.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea its the hardware thats giving me a trouble, i need to intergate a host in something |
| 14:49.17 | jbevren | sparkfun's forums arent helpful? :) |
| 14:49.36 | prpplague | jbevren: not really for the level of dev i need |
| 14:49.43 | jbevren | ah |
| 14:51.42 | CosmicPenguin | I would have jumped off a cliff three months ago if it wasn't for quilt |
| 14:51.45 | CosmicPenguin | just so you know |
| 14:52.02 | jbevren | guilt? |
| 14:52.04 | jbevren | quilt? |
| 14:52.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 14:52.22 | prpplague | i need to get up to speed on quilt and git |
| 14:52.34 | jbevren | me too (git) |
| 14:52.42 | jbevren | since the linux mips devr's use git now |
| 14:52.44 | CosmicPenguin | quilt is the best application ever |
| 14:52.48 | CosmicPenguin | git is evil |
| 14:52.54 | jbevren | mainstream linux simply doesnt work on IP27 hardware :) |
| 15:35.20 | jbevren | hm |
| 15:35.22 | jbevren | trans flash |
| 15:35.35 | jbevren | is that plain nand flash or is it smart like sd? |
| 15:36.10 | CosmicPenguin | If you think SD is smart, you've got another thing coming.. :) |
| 15:36.34 | prpplague | transflash or T-Flash is just a format size iirc |
| 15:36.37 | jbevren | ahh |
| 15:36.45 | jbevren | CosmicPenguin: I mean on a relative scale |
| 15:36.46 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.55 | jbevren | like, sd is smarter than smartmedia |
| 15:36.59 | prpplague | basically sd comatible |
| 15:37.07 | jbevren | prpplague: Ah, ok |
| 15:45.09 | prpplague | sd |
| 16:07.54 | CosmicPenguin | debugging livecds is a timeconsuming experience |
| 16:08.28 | prpplague | yep |
| 16:08.42 | jbevren | concur |
| 16:09.03 | jbevren | are you simulating the r/o environment on hard disks? |
| 16:09.44 | CosmicPenguin | i've been booting it on our CPU simulator - since that can grok the isos directly |
| 16:09.54 | CosmicPenguin | but I'm about | | that close to moving to USB keys |
| 16:11.09 | CosmicPenguin | Though that would probably take the same amount of time |
| 16:11.14 | CosmicPenguin | since I would have to flash the keys |
| 16:11.19 | CosmicPenguin | and my system sucks at USB throughput |
| 16:19.07 | jbevren | http://www.palmercash.com/product.asp?3=457 |
| 16:25.35 | prpplague | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=WOOD-KEYBOARDMOUSE |
| 16:26.33 | jbevren | and only $20(TM) |
| 16:29.20 | prpplague | http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=ED03W |
| 16:30.36 | prpplague | actually this one looks more interesting - http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=CD30CW |
| 16:30.40 | prpplague | says it has 16mb flash |
| 16:31.30 | prpplague | jbevren: heheh, could shove a bt receiver in there |
| 16:31.53 | prpplague | jbevren: i bet that has an arm in it |
| 16:34.38 | prpplague | i'd love to hack one of those |
| 16:34.55 | prpplague | you imagin a s3c2410 in that |
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| 16:40.04 | jbevren | need a pretty smallone |
| 16:42.27 | prpplague | jbevren: yea this proto board is pretty small |
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| 17:03.34 | jbevren | hmm an arm cpu in it |
| 17:03.41 | jbevren | wouldnt that kill the battery rather quickly? |
| 17:06.49 | prpplague | jbevren: uh no, why would you think that? |
| 17:07.49 | jbevren | I dunno, I just dont know their power usage I guess :) |
| 17:08.29 | prpplague | jbevren: pretty small |
| 17:08.53 | prpplague | jbevren: our un-optimized s3c2410 board only draw 35ma |
| 17:09.36 | prpplague | jbevren: our next rev is suppose to draw only 28 |
| 17:09.45 | jbevren | ah |
| 17:09.49 | jbevren | cool stuff |
| 17:09.57 | prpplague | jbevren: suspend mode we are doing about 9ma |
| 17:11.23 | jbevren | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=ACC10981 |
| 17:11.29 | jbevren | lol I want to see the theory on these |
| 17:11.53 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:12.18 | jbevren | how do you dissipate static electricity without a ground strap :) |
| 17:13.16 | CosmicPenguin | start touching stuff |
| 17:14.43 | jbevren | I watched my friend zap his chassis hard enough whlie holding a video card to make the thing fire up |
| 17:14.47 | jbevren | and the card still works heh |
| 17:15.37 | jbevren | gah |
| 17:15.45 | jbevren | surpluscomputers -just- changed their website |
| 17:15.48 | jbevren | and now its unusable |
| 17:20.45 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 17:21.08 | sunrunner20 | out of habbit |
| 17:21.43 | jbevren | hm |
| 17:21.48 | jbevren | what else to get from surpluscomputers |
| 17:22.52 | prpplague | jbevren: couple of these are great to have around - http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=ACC10692 |
| 17:23.15 | jbevren | is that the happy hacking adapter? :) |
| 17:23.25 | jbevren | lol how did I know |
| 17:23.28 | jbevren | I have 3 in the garage :D |
| 17:23.36 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:23.44 | jbevren | and at $1 you cant reallycomplain |
| 17:23.47 | sunrunner20 | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=CPM10151 |
| 17:23.48 | jbevren | they use a flash micro too |
| 17:24.05 | jbevren | bah |
| 17:24.05 | sunrunner20 | you can get that cheaper at newegg... |
| 17:24.31 | jbevren | yep. |
| 17:24.31 | jbevren | and I wouldnt buy a p4 anyway |
| 17:24.31 | jbevren | I'd rather have a p-m or p3 |
| 17:24.52 | jbevren | hdparm -T /dev/hda for me |
| 17:24.58 | jbevren | I'm curious about yoru ram bw |
| 17:25.13 | sunrunner20 | i think its that one execpt its a pressy |
| 17:25.19 | sunrunner20 | what about it jbevren |
| 17:25.27 | jbevren | the result |
| 17:25.32 | jbevren | fast ram = faster computer |
| 17:25.45 | sunrunner20 | coulden't tell you |
| 17:25.48 | jbevren | this desktop gets 400MB/sec.. old slot1 p2 board :) |
| 17:25.55 | jbevren | my amd64 gets 1600mb/sec |
| 17:25.59 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:26.01 | sunrunner20 | i get ~2gb |
| 17:26.04 | jbevren | my laptop gets 2500mb/sec |
| 17:26.06 | sunrunner20 | supposedly |
| 17:26.17 | sunrunner20 | acctuall throughput |
| 17:26.34 | jbevren | my toyboxes (asus pundit-p2 with sempron 2800s) get 1175 |
| 17:26.43 | jbevren | I like measuring from within the OS |
| 17:26.56 | sunrunner20 | with what tool |
| 17:26.59 | jbevren | hdparm :P |
| 17:27.04 | sunrunner20 | oh |
| 17:27.05 | sunrunner20 | linux |
| 17:27.18 | jbevren | memtest would tell you but thats without an active OS, so the number's slightly higher |
| 17:27.46 | jbevren | the pundit-p2 is a neat looking box btw |
| 17:27.50 | jbevren | I'm glad I got em |
| 17:28.05 | jbevren | one's gonna be a mythfrontend |
| 17:28.11 | jbevren | nebooted even |
| 17:28.28 | jbevren | prpplague: thought much about hacking the palmpix? |
| 17:28.40 | prpplague | jbevren: hehehe |
| 17:28.42 | sunrunner20 | wow |
| 17:28.45 | prpplague | jbevren: yea |
| 17:28.50 | prpplague | jbevren: just haven't had time |
| 17:29.05 | prpplague | jbevren: i don't know enough about camera interfaces |
| 17:29.11 | jbevren | I'd get one to do so, but I'd never write the protocol analyzer to do it :) |
| 17:29.14 | sunrunner20 | my mem bus maximum is 7488MB/s |
| 17:29.24 | jbevren | sunrunner20: measured or theoretical? |
| 17:29.30 | prpplague | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=TOL10275 |
| 17:29.30 | jbevren | my amd64 is 8g/sec/too |
| 17:29.52 | sunrunner20 | just measured by SiSoft suandry was 5136MB/s |
| 17:29.55 | jbevren | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=IMG10090I got one of those |
| 17:29.57 | jbevren | er |
| 17:29.58 | sunrunner20 | *Aandra |
| 17:30.01 | sunrunner20 | *Sandra |
| 17:30.01 | jbevren | one of the calipers |
| 17:30.10 | jbevren | mine's the plastic one, but it does the job |
| 17:30.23 | sunrunner20 | please note i'm at 234fsb |
| 17:30.27 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:30.32 | jbevren | my laptop's at 667 |
| 17:30.34 | jbevren | so nyaa |
| 17:30.36 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:30.36 | sunrunner20 | no |
| 17:30.41 | sunrunner20 | acctuall |
| 17:30.47 | sunrunner20 | 234fsb CLOCK |
| 17:30.53 | sunrunner20 | not talking about quad pumped |
| 17:30.58 | jbevren | shrug |
| 17:31.08 | jbevren | I dont overclock, it just introduces instabilities |
| 17:31.10 | prpplague | jbevren: one of what? |
| 17:31.13 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 17:31.18 | sunrunner20 | mines rock solid stable |
| 17:31.18 | jbevren | prpplague: the digital caliper with lcd |
| 17:31.31 | prpplague | jbevren: oh |
| 17:31.41 | jbevren | that one's slightly fancier, they have a cheaper one thats all plastic |
| 17:31.43 | sunrunner20 | 24hours dual p95 |
| 17:31.56 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm preparing to purchase about 4 different kids laptops off ebay |
| 17:32.05 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:32.06 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm not happy with the one i've mod'd |
| 17:32.08 | jbevren | let me know what you find ;-) |
| 17:32.20 | jbevren | especially if you snag one with an arm cpu mwahah |
| 17:32.39 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm thinking of writing something up like "where to find great parts in kids toys" |
| 17:32.49 | T0mW | heh |
| 17:32.55 | jbevren | oh I'd love that |
| 17:33.06 | prpplague | maybe start a wiki page with a list of each toy and the good parts that are usuable |
| 17:33.58 | jbevren | I"m reminded.. think a dual p3/600 would serve the elinux wiki better than sf.net? |
| 17:34.11 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:34.14 | jbevren | no really |
| 17:34.24 | T0mW | may have better uptime |
| 17:34.24 | jbevren | I have a server I'm not using, and was considering putting it up on colocation |
| 17:34.34 | jbevren | I'm going to stuff at least 2G of sdram in it |
| 17:34.52 | jbevren | it runs of a 6drive array (5x in raid5+hotspare) |
| 17:35.25 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.41 | sunrunner20 | whats the BW requirements for the wiki? |
| 17:35.50 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.56 | jbevren | sunrunner20: good question |
| 17:36.07 | jbevren | the colo offer I have is 10Mbit unmetered |
| 17:36.07 | prpplague | sunrunner20: varies depending what kinds of projects are getting hit |
| 17:36.14 | prpplague | sunrunner20: most of it is pretty low |
| 17:36.15 | sunrunner20 | max you've een |
| 17:36.37 | sunrunner20 | *seen |
| 17:36.44 | prpplague | sunrunner20: don't recall, you'd have to check with tim |
| 17:36.47 | jbevren | btw what's your ebay ID? I wanna know so I dont bid against you :) |
| 17:37.14 | jbevren | you bought 6055469368? |
| 17:37.24 | prpplague | jbevren: uh prpplague of course |
| 17:37.28 | prpplague | no |
| 17:37.33 | jbevren | some people have different IDs hehe |
| 17:37.34 | prpplague | these are ones i'm looking at |
| 17:37.40 | jbevren | second one is bought :) |
| 17:37.59 | prpplague | jbevren: they have more |
| 17:38.03 | jbevren | ahhh |
| 17:38.04 | prpplague | jbevren: just showing the type |
| 17:38.28 | jbevren | prpplague: a pc with two rs232 ports would work for protocol analysis right? |
| 17:38.40 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.08 | prpplague | jbevren: depending on what proto you need to analyze |
| 17:39.50 | jbevren | just rs232 heh |
| 17:39.56 | prpplague | jbevren: they yea |
| 17:40.22 | prpplague | jbevren: there are several rs-232 snoop packages available for linux that use two rs-232 ports |
| 17:40.35 | prpplague | jbevren: whatcha gonna hack? |
| 17:40.49 | jbevren | pondering the camera :) |
| 17:41.04 | prpplague | jbevren: iirc the camera isn't rs-232 |
| 17:41.09 | jbevren | ohh |
| 17:41.13 | jbevren | how's it work on the palm3 then? |
| 17:41.24 | jbevren | afaik the only thing palm3 has is rs232 |
| 17:41.39 | prpplague | jbevren: i was under the impression it had a proprietary i/o |
| 17:41.45 | jbevren | shrug |
| 17:41.54 | jbevren | it clips onto the palm3 series sync port |
| 17:41.56 | prpplague | i don't know much about palm |
| 17:42.01 | prpplague | jbevren: ahh |
| 17:42.11 | prpplague | jbevren: then it would have to be rs-232 |
| 17:42.49 | prpplague | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/Main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=DRV10893 |
| 17:42.56 | prpplague | i need one of those to move my movies around |
| 17:43.46 | jbevren | http://www.imaging-resource.com/NPICS1/PalmPix_S.jpg |
| 17:44.58 | prpplague | ahhhh |
| 17:45.02 | prpplague | so it must be rs-232 |
| 17:45.05 | jbevren | nod |
| 17:45.09 | prpplague | thats probably pretty hackable then |
| 17:45.25 | prpplague | its probably a got something like a 8051 in it |
| 17:45.30 | prpplague | that does the image capture |
| 17:45.36 | prpplague | and xfers it via rs-232 |
| 17:45.50 | jbevren | yeah |
| 17:45.55 | jbevren | runs on two AAs |
| 17:45.58 | jbevren | http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/review/palmpix_for_palm_iii_and_m100_review |
| 17:48.25 | prpplague | hmm, looks like a nice hack waiting |
| 17:49.01 | jbevren | lol put a tilt sensor on the second serial port |
| 17:49.02 | jbevren | nice |
| 17:49.24 | jbevren | aha |
| 17:49.26 | jbevren | http://pinouts.ru/PDA/palm_iii_pinout.shtml |
| 17:49.35 | prpplague | http://www.handheld.com/Site.aspx/na/en//product_center/overview/?tab=home&product=30 |
| 17:49.42 | prpplague | jbevren: oh wow nice find |
| 17:49.49 | jbevren | I knew it was around |
| 17:49.55 | CosmicPenguin | pinouts.ru is sort of cool |
| 17:50.00 | jbevren | pin 9 is used for charging |
| 17:50.16 | jbevren | not connected on the 3's, but Ive been considering adding a psu to my base |
| 17:50.33 | jbevren | link it to the battery box via a diode and current-limit a charger |
| 17:50.49 | jbevren | but yeah, anything that hooks to the III is rs232 |
| 17:50.57 | prpplague | ahh cool |
| 17:51.04 | *** join/#edev flyback (i=r3z@c-67-165-88-141.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 17:51.05 | prpplague | i'll have to order a couple wed. when i get paid |
| 17:51.09 | flyback | mother of canuck |
| 17:51.13 | flyback | you guys watching the news |
| 17:51.15 | flyback | UGH |
| 17:51.15 | jbevren | nope |
| 17:51.19 | jbevren | what'd you do this time |
| 17:51.21 | flyback | shooting at capital |
| 17:51.23 | flyback | lockdown |
| 17:51.35 | jbevren | more staged terrorism? |
| 17:51.43 | flyback | dude grow up seriously |
| 17:52.02 | jbevren | you believe a single airplane can cause a geometric collapse of a building the size of the wtc? |
| 17:52.09 | CosmicPenguin | uncomfirmed shooting |
| 17:52.20 | CosmicPenguin | uncomfirmed gunfire |
| 17:52.31 | jbevren | ah, someone popped a baloon :) |
| 17:52.34 | flyback | CosmicPenguin yes but still scary |
| 17:52.40 | jbevren | I tell you, the little ones my sister has for water fights |
| 17:52.44 | jbevren | theyre loud when you pop em |
| 17:53.05 | flyback | well I know this |
| 17:53.14 | flyback | even if some dipshit just set off his gun by accident |
| 17:53.17 | flyback | he's dead |
| 17:53.21 | flyback | he's going away for a long time |
| 17:53.54 | flyback | so now that I gave you guys a quick update |
| 17:54.04 | flyback | how does the dht, juicebox and caymen projects go? |
| 17:54.10 | jbevren | jb is pretty idle |
| 17:54.12 | jbevren | dht is fairly complete |
| 17:54.16 | jbevren | cayman is um |
| 17:54.16 | CosmicPenguin | more likely, the guy who called in the "tip" will get put away for a long time |
| 17:54.17 | flyback | cool |
| 17:54.19 | jbevren | ccjoe: how's yours coming :) |
| 17:54.22 | jbevren | oh he's not here |
| 17:54.25 | flyback | CosmicPenguin that too |
| 17:54.34 | flyback | if he was lying he's done |
| 17:54.40 | flyback | his life is over and rightfully so |
| 17:55.13 | flyback | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.14 | prpplague | jbevren: jb isn't idle, just nothing posted, heheh |
| 17:55.15 | flyback | :P |
| 17:55.18 | jbevren | bah |
| 17:55.20 | jbevren | post more :) |
| 17:55.47 | flyback | how much i/o could be rip out of juicebox while still having kinda kinda flash storage |
| 17:55.54 | flyback | there is 5 buttons = 5 gpio |
| 17:56.29 | prpplague | flyback: a ton |
| 17:56.34 | flyback | cool |
| 17:56.42 | prpplague | flyback: probably 15+ |
| 17:56.50 | flyback | I was thinking about a $1 discontinued palm keyboard |
| 17:56.53 | flyback | wire one to one |
| 17:57.06 | flyback | if the interface and protocol aren't bad |
| 17:57.07 | jbevren | if I customize a jb, I wont put a kbd on it |
| 17:57.10 | prpplague | flyback: no need its rs-232 |
| 17:57.14 | jbevren | the only portable I have that would get a kbd is my gp2x |
| 17:57.16 | flyback | duah |
| 17:57.17 | prpplague | flyback: you can use the existing uart |
| 17:57.27 | flyback | thx prpplague |
| 17:57.34 | jbevren | prpplague: mine does appear to need some init |
| 17:57.40 | jbevren | or wait |
| 17:57.44 | jbevren | I tried using minicom to act as one |
| 17:57.48 | jbevren | so the driver is expecting something |
| 17:58.01 | prpplague | jbevren: yea the driver is |
| 17:58.06 | flyback | actually the keyboard idea might not be bad if the jb isn't near a pc to link to serially |
| 17:58.10 | jbevren | I need to get my iron out and solder it up heh |
| 17:58.59 | flyback | well I am going to get my sempron 3100+ working today and I am testing the guts of a old laptop for a embedded project so bbl |
| 17:59.29 | flyback | my router took a crap yesterday, it's fixed but I might be accelrating the pace at which the dht-walnut replaces it |
| 17:59.34 | flyback | :P |
| 18:00.36 | flyback | oh I know what I wanted to ask |
| 18:00.57 | flyback | I know you can use many network cards that can self program their bootrom as a poor man's flasher |
| 18:01.10 | flyback | that would mean you can also use it as a flash dumper correct? |
| 18:01.21 | flyback | I know this should be obvious but you never know :0 |
| 18:01.23 | jbevren | free shipping rocks |
| 18:01.47 | flyback | i'm going to dump the laptop's rom and make a romOS image |
| 18:01.57 | flyback | yuo guys ever see this? |
| 18:03.03 | flyback | you guys might find this damn useful |
| 18:03.04 | jbevren | see..? |
| 18:03.09 | flyback | hang on trying to find the url |
| 18:03.10 | flyback | :P |
| 18:03.15 | jbevren | hehe ok |
| 18:03.34 | flyback | this looks fun |
| 18:03.41 | flyback | http://rayer.ic.cz/romos/romose.htm |
| 18:04.09 | flyback | how to make isa/pci extension modules for a bios |
| 18:04.14 | jbevren | ah |
| 18:04.22 | jbevren | I read about this back in highschool |
| 18:04.24 | jbevren | or something similar |
| 18:04.29 | jbevren | they made a 128k ramdrive |
| 18:04.39 | jbevren | it hooked to int13 unit 0x80 to boot |
| 18:05.05 | CosmicPenguin | thats how all PCI devices work |
| 18:05.14 | jbevren | if my p120's lcd worked right, I'd rom up DOS and telix |
| 18:05.38 | flyback | yeah I think about doing somethnig like that |
| 18:05.41 | flyback | what happen to the lcd |
| 18:06.14 | jbevren | flyback: the cable or connector is flaky |
| 18:06.19 | jbevren | it goes solid black randomly |
| 18:06.31 | jbevren | close the lcd a little, open it, and most often it comes back |
| 18:06.41 | flyback | hahaha |
| 18:06.48 | flyback | jbe oh dude that's a easy fix |
| 18:06.52 | prpplague | ~Anders |
| 18:06.53 | purl | i guess anders is a long line of scientists, inventors and explorers beginning with Anders Celsius, or see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Anders |
| 18:06.59 | flyback | even with a ocd crippled mine like me I could handle that |
| 18:07.03 | flyback | mind |
| 18:07.11 | flyback | getting that fixed hopefully next month |
| 18:07.26 | prpplague | the second season of BG has a character with the last name Anders |
| 18:07.34 | flyback | jbe actually for a laptop might be easier to just get a cf to ide |
| 18:07.39 | flyback | those got damn cheap |
| 18:07.44 | flyback | $13 even make 2.5 inch ones |
| 18:07.56 | jbevren | flyback: well |
| 18:07.58 | flyback | they also make ones that attach right to the ide header pins = no messy cable |
| 18:08.03 | jbevren | if I really wanted to, I'd just put it on floppy or cd |
| 18:08.08 | jbevren | th ehdd in it died a long time ago |
| 18:08.10 | flyback | but yeah in rom = free |
| 18:08.27 | flyback | my friend work's for scrounge |
| 18:08.44 | flyback | I am bugging him for a ton of parts and going to show him how to extract bios chips |
| 18:08.48 | flyback | all that nor rom mmmmmm |
| 18:08.54 | jbevren | lol |
| 18:08.58 | jbevren | just grab a strataflash |
| 18:09.01 | jbevren | 8Mbyte of rom yum |
| 18:09.15 | flyback | yeah but this is free and if I blow up a few learning I don't feel bad |
| 18:09.48 | flyback | i've seen sbt's that could use standard dip nor's as a disk drive, I wonder how hard it is to make one yourself |
| 18:10.04 | flyback | prpplague make sure you checkout that url sometime |
| 18:10.08 | flyback | might be useful |
| 18:10.30 | flyback | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.35 | flyback | forgot to mention what that is sorry |
| 18:10.51 | flyback | it's a campus volunteer group that handles recycling for the area, banks, etc dump their stuff on them |
| 18:11.07 | flyback | man i'd love to work for a place like that |
| 18:11.29 | jbevren | speaking of work, how did your job interview go |
| 18:11.44 | flyback | heh I was a nervous wreck on the phone I think I blew it :/ |
| 18:11.50 | flyback | thx for asknig |
| 18:12.00 | jbevren | heh |
| 18:12.02 | jbevren | theyre used to that |
| 18:12.31 | flyback | :P |
| 18:13.07 | flyback | anyone need anything btw while I am talking to my friend |
| 18:13.17 | flyback | I told him to save me some ne2000's and cs8900's |
| 18:13.18 | jbevren | not really |
| 18:13.22 | jbevren | I got a line on a p166 cpu locally |
| 18:13.25 | jbevren | just need to go get it lol |
| 18:13.28 | prpplague | flyback: what url |
| 18:13.29 | flyback | heh I have 200's |
| 18:13.31 | jbevren | besides that, I dont need much |
| 18:13.38 | flyback | http://rayer.ic.cz/romos/romose.htm#TECHDET |
| 18:13.42 | jbevren | flyback: my sbc is set up for p166 and I dont have docs |
| 18:13.52 | flyback | ah :) |
| 18:14.01 | flyback | I could probably find docs for you |
| 18:14.08 | flyback | prpplague I take it yuo are way above his level? |
| 18:14.11 | flyback | :P |
| 18:14.20 | flyback | ah np |
| 18:14.39 | flyback | I just thought it was useful to extend a old sbc or laptop guts, they make such nice project parts :P |
| 18:14.50 | flyback | www.lcdgallery.net |
| 18:15.30 | flyback | any of you done any cell phone lcd hacking |
| 18:15.33 | flyback | that looks easy too |
| 18:15.53 | flyback | the nokia 96x48 b/w lcd is like 7 wires? serial interface and you can buy them for less than $5 |
| 18:16.17 | prpplague | flyback: you can get color for 20 |
| 18:16.24 | flyback | soon as I get organized here I am going to have to sit down and pick a project to start :) |
| 18:16.33 | flyback | prpplague yeah I know but not all projects warrent $20 |
| 18:16.42 | flyback | this is just for just basic (hey I am ok here) etc |
| 18:16.48 | jbevren | lol |
| 18:16.52 | jbevren | sparkfun :: frosting printer |
| 18:17.00 | flyback | yeah saw that |
| 18:17.03 | prpplague | jbevren: yea i want to build one of thsoe |
| 18:17.11 | flyback | actually |
| 18:17.16 | flyback | if you built one of those |
| 18:17.23 | flyback | I bet you could make $$$$$$$$ |
| 18:18.52 | flyback | once I have a good job I am going to get one of those sony playstation one lcd's for $50 that have both video in and can be hacked for vga in |
| 18:19.20 | prpplague | now i like the lcdgaller.net |
| 18:19.30 | flyback | http://www.lcdgallery.net/?f=view&lcdid=295 |
| 18:19.46 | flyback | prpplague yeah also www.lcdinfo.com the forums are *FULL* of lcd hackers |
| 18:19.51 | flyback | you might find very useful |
| 18:20.03 | flyback | "hey I got xxx lcd" can someone send me the pinout |
| 18:20.36 | jbevren | He probably knows that heh |
| 18:20.42 | jbevren | but yeah, its a good site |
| 18:21.18 | flyback | I know I wasn't suggesting any of you were stupid, just even a idiot like me with no life, can't find all the sources of info, so I pass them out in case someone missed one ;P |
| 18:21.59 | prpplague | flyback: thats a crappy lcd hack |
| 18:22.07 | flyback | which one the sony? |
| 18:22.54 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:23.00 | jbevren | I want an EL (or oled) display about 5" |
| 18:23.01 | jbevren | heh |
| 18:23.10 | flyback | jbr you can find them all over the net |
| 18:23.26 | prpplague | none of those appear to be portable hacks |
| 18:23.31 | flyback | I seen like full 640x400 monocrome with digital in (not lvds) for like $10 |
| 18:23.35 | flyback | oh I see |
| 18:23.45 | flyback | it's still useful |
| 18:23.50 | flyback | for plugged in embedded :P |
| 18:25.09 | prpplague | everyone of these are major power hungry |
| 18:25.18 | flyback | beats setting up a old 13 inch crt and burning up power |
| 18:26.01 | flyback | espically when I only need basic info out or user interface |
| 18:26.26 | flyback | yeah yeah I know I got grandma's hording gene |
| 18:26.27 | prpplague | i'm talking handheld |
| 18:26.32 | flyback | I know :) |
| 18:26.38 | flyback | but not everything is handheld ;P |
| 18:26.48 | flyback | also car puter doesn't have to be :P |
| 18:27.09 | flyback | but yeah I am sure there are far better designs for low powr |
| 18:27.36 | flyback | that old 486-100 laptop mb and lcd I saved happens to use a +12 volt battery so I can run it right off a lead acid or car power :) |
| 18:27.54 | prpplague | portable with low power is so much more challenging |
| 18:28.05 | flyback | I love this stuff I just wish I didn't have so much anxienty that I can't get anything started |
| 18:28.06 | flyback | yeah |
| 18:28.19 | flyback | that's big business right now, companies making power controller ic's |
| 18:28.45 | flyback | prpplague while not portable did you read about amd's new cpu process |
| 18:28.57 | flyback | hopefully with x86 volume it will trickle down more into mainstream |
| 18:29.05 | flyback | they are using a silicon-germanium mix |
| 18:30.39 | flyback | heheh :P |
| 18:31.04 | jbevren | hrm |
| 18:31.14 | jbevren | man I feel dumb |
| 18:31.24 | jbevren | I'm thinking how can an accelerometer measure tilt |
| 18:31.29 | jbevren | then it occured to me |
| 18:31.31 | jbevren | -gravity- |
| 18:31.37 | jbevren | lol |
| 18:31.43 | jbevren | if you lay it flat, z will always measure -1 |
| 18:32.16 | ohsix | you mean i cant use my Wii in space??? |
| 18:32.27 | jbevren | ohsix: you can, it just wont be able to sense tilt |
| 18:32.27 | flyback | haha |
| 18:32.30 | jbevren | it'll have to work on acceleration |
| 18:32.39 | jbevren | the only way this chip could be better is if it had dac's builtin |
| 18:32.57 | jbevren | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=730 |
| 18:35.41 | flyback | how the heck can they measure acceleration |
| 18:36.01 | flyback | is it just a pressure switch that the more you acceleration the more force pressed against that? |
| 18:36.19 | flyback | like a pressure switch not the same |
| 18:36.20 | jbevren | dunno |
| 18:36.23 | jbevren | micro-gyro etc |
| 18:36.31 | jbevren | its a tiny black box to me |
| 18:36.38 | jbevren | I just know it outputs 3 voltages based on acceleration |
| 18:37.27 | prpplague | jbevren: what would use it for? |
| 18:37.49 | jbevren | vehicle analisys, device control |
| 18:37.52 | flyback | prpplague remind me to send you a history channel recording of modern marvels - ben franklin, sometime |
| 18:37.55 | jbevren | robot trainer |
| 18:38.16 | flyback | jbevren or the ever popular "Oh shit I am being dropped, cut the power to mimize damage" |
| 18:38.17 | prpplague | ahh |
| 18:38.18 | flyback | ;) |
| 18:38.27 | jbevren | prpplague: a lightsaber :) |
| 18:38.33 | flyback | whoa |
| 18:38.36 | jbevren | get the wooshing sounds heh |
| 18:38.42 | prpplague | jbevren: oh that would be good, like the new macsaber code |
| 18:38.46 | jbevren | yeah |
| 18:38.53 | jbevren | flyback: speaking of osh i'm falling |
| 18:39.06 | flyback | ? |
| 18:39.07 | jbevren | flyback: did you see the video where someone modded parallels to respond to slaps? |
| 18:39.17 | jbevren | slap your macbook = switch OS |
| 18:39.23 | flyback | no |
| 18:39.26 | jbevren | its pretty cool |
| 18:39.29 | prpplague | parport is so 80's |
| 18:39.32 | jbevren | slap the left side, go to windows |
| 18:39.35 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:39.40 | jbevren | slap the right, back to mac |
| 18:39.43 | flyback | prpplague it's still damn simple to code for :) |
| 18:39.46 | flyback | jb hahah |
| 18:39.53 | jbevren | laugh not |
| 18:39.58 | jbevren | I want to put one of these in my laptop heh |
| 18:40.05 | prpplague | flyback: just wish ibm had had a clue and made a proper 8in 8 out |
| 18:40.11 | jbevren | probably stick it on a pcmcia card with a serial dac and uart |
| 18:40.14 | flyback | yeah :/ |
| 18:40.30 | jbevren | er, serial adc |
| 18:40.33 | flyback | prpplague but I thougth bidir spec, epp or ecp resolves this |
| 18:40.44 | jbevren | flyback: you still only have ~13 lines |
| 18:40.48 | jbevren | regardless of directionality |
| 18:40.57 | prpplague | flyback: not 16 |
| 18:41.10 | jbevren | the 8255 has 24 IOs on it |
| 18:41.15 | jbevren | they used less than 16 |
| 18:41.28 | flyback | oh I see |
| 18:41.32 | jbevren | (8255 = classic parallel port IC) |
| 18:41.32 | flyback | you mean 8+8 |
| 18:41.35 | jbevren | righto |
| 18:41.48 | flyback | bbiab |
| 18:41.50 | jbevren | granted, ieee1284 gives you nice IO bandwidth |
| 18:41.55 | jbevren | but its more complex than you should need |
| 18:42.36 | jbevren | x and y axes are 1600hz |
| 18:43.30 | prpplague | hmm what other tv shows shall i dl from p2p |
| 18:49.15 | *** join/#edev flyback (i=r3z@c-67-165-88-141.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 19:12.32 | flyback | wow wozniak talknig about the apple lisa |
| 19:12.40 | flyback | required 1 meg of ram which cost $5000 then :P |
| 19:12.42 | flyback | bbl |
| 19:12.50 | jbevren | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=731 |
| 19:12.53 | jbevren | ittybittybattery |
| 19:29.02 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.22 | flyback | yeah I saw that |
| 19:59.26 | flyback | jbevren say it with me |
| 19:59.40 | flyback | YOU GO TO HELL! |
| 19:59.43 | flyback | YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE! |
| 20:00.01 | flyback | you know patent office is trying to ramp up too |
| 20:00.11 | flyback | apprentely they are as sick of this s*** as we are |
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| 20:17.06 | flyback | http://www.cmbi.ru.nl/~rjoosten/th99/ |
| 20:32.30 | flyback | I love how hard drive maker's utils will go from several 1000 sectors scanned a second down to 1 sector a minute, and you can hear the drive stuggling it's ass off yet the util will certify it as ok |
| 20:35.40 | flyback | that shit was one of the reasons I was laid off in 2003 |
| 20:37.22 | flyback | didn't get the job |
| 20:37.27 | flyback | :/ |
| 20:46.02 | flyback | I don't think that was for me anyways |
| 20:56.05 | flyback | ugh storm outside time to plug in one of these new ups's I bought a few weeks ago |
| 21:13.57 | flyback | OMG |
| 21:14.00 | flyback | DOSBOX OWNS YOUR CANUXCK |
| 21:14.07 | flyback | opps wrong window |
| 21:14.16 | jbevren | can you calm down the cracker talk, whitie? |
| 21:15.16 | flyback | dude wrong window :) |
| 21:16.14 | jbevren | hehe |
| 21:17.01 | flyback | seriously though it's come a long way since I lasted played with it |
| 21:17.15 | flyback | I might be able to abandon my project I been wanting to do for the last 10 yrs |
| 21:17.19 | flyback | build a legacy dos box |
| 21:30.07 | flyback | anyone notice that linux-hacker bbs is gone |
| 21:56.10 | jbevren | heh |
| 21:56.15 | jbevren | I have a dosbox setup somewhere |
| 21:56.21 | jbevren | runs off a scsi disk and has 100bT networking |
| 21:56.39 | jbevren | pulls FTp at 6M/sec |
| 21:57.36 | flyback | and wtf do most hd's always fail at the beginning of the drive |
| 21:59.21 | jbevren | cause thats where teh BAM is |
| 21:59.23 | jbevren | er |
| 21:59.24 | jbevren | FAT |
| 21:59.48 | flyback | no I mean sector wise |
| 21:59.56 | jbevren | shrug |
| 22:00.13 | CosmicPenguin | the BAM |
| 22:00.14 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 22:01.51 | flyback | man I should have hacked this disposable dig cam by using one of my dead palm cradles in the first place |
| 22:02.08 | flyback | it's so much easier than trying to solder a 4 pin audio cable on it, only to find out most cdrmo audio cables are only 3 actual wires |
| 22:02.09 | flyback | doh |
| 22:02.13 | flyback | bbl going to work on this |
| 22:19.31 | flyback | http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=forg&script=410&layout=-6&item_id=861407 |
| 22:19.34 | flyback | wtf are they talking about |
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