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| 01:43.20 | prpplague | joe_bleau: hey |
| 02:04.20 | joe_bleau | Howdy. |
| 02:04.27 | joe_bleau | Word for the day: Meazura |
| 02:05.15 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:05.23 | prpplague | joe_bleau: any word about linux-hacker.net |
| 02:05.41 | joe_bleau | Sent an email. |
| 02:05.57 | joe_bleau | Got notice that connection was refused after 4 hours, still queued for retry later |
| 02:06.14 | joe_bleau | Makes it sound more like a hardware/connectivity problem, doesn't it? |
| 02:07.53 | joe_bleau | bbiab |
| 02:13.59 | prpplague | joe_bleau: which email did you use? |
| 02:59.59 | joe_bleau | codeman@linux-hacker.net |
| 03:00.21 | joe_bleau | I found his phone number, but that seems to be rather imposing, dontcha agree? |
| 03:03.17 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 03:03.26 | prpplague | there is another email |
| 03:03.30 | prpplague | let me see |
| 03:04.44 | prpplague | joe_bleau: ken@fortunet.com |
| 03:26.08 | joe_bleau | OK, I didn't have that one. I'll resend to it as well. |
| 03:28.40 | joe_bleau | lnode question time? |
| 03:35.34 | joe_bleau | Oops...reason: 550 5.1.1 <ken@fortunet.com>... User unknown |
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| 04:24.07 | jbevren | that reminds me |
| 04:24.13 | jbevren | any news onlinux-hacker.net? |
| 04:24.46 | joe_bleau | That's what we were discussing. |
| 04:24.52 | jbevren | ah |
| 04:25.39 | jbevren | so nothing useful as yet |
| 04:25.48 | joe_bleau | Precisely |
| 04:28.19 | jbevren | my bluetooth dongle and palmcam are due monday |
| 04:39.08 | joe_bleau | later! |
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| 13:58.46 | CP|Home | Morning |
| 14:04.06 | jbevren | wb cp |
| 14:04.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 14:05.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: mind explaining AMD's position on the alchemy again? |
| 14:09.05 | jbevren | http://ertos.nicta.com.au/software/fass/ |
| 14:28.44 | CosmicPenguin | our position on the what now? |
| 14:44.19 | CosmicPenguin | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS4453737443.html |
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| 14:50.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: on the alchemy mips stuff, why you got out of it, what is the current level of production |
| 14:50.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that kind of stuff |
| 14:50.37 | CosmicPenguin | Umm.... |
| 14:50.45 | CosmicPenguin | Less crack early in the morning is better |
| 14:50.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: because i'm seeing alot of interest in the au1100, just surprised because i'm think people wouldn't want to use a EOL product |
| 14:51.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: for me or you? |
| 14:51.05 | CosmicPenguin | for you |
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| 14:51.08 | CosmicPenguin | what the hell are you talking about? |
| 14:51.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm |
| 14:51.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, ok, let me try again |
| 14:51.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 14:51.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: AMD makes alchemy right? |
| 14:52.06 | CosmicPenguin | right |
| 14:52.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: amd is no longer doing any alchemy products, right? |
| 14:52.45 | CosmicPenguin | Correct - no new development is planned |
| 14:53.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so what was the reason behind that? stictly to concentrate on x86? |
| 14:53.35 | CosmicPenguin | right |
| 14:54.13 | bd2 | prpplague, hi. if you'll have spare time, please look into this http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/hx4700-port/current/1907.html |
| 14:55.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so whats the plan for alchemy? i mean like how long will the silicon be available |
| 14:55.20 | prpplague | bd2: i'll have a look later today |
| 14:55.30 | bd2 | prpplague, great. thanks |
| 14:55.56 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: I don't know of any current plans to EOL the 1200 |
| 14:56.38 | CosmicPenguin | But I'm just a regular engineer |
| 14:57.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 14:57.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've been digging into mips on my off hours |
| 14:57.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the whole mips line seems confusing |
| 15:00.06 | CosmicPenguin | The model is similar to what ARM does |
| 15:00.08 | CosmicPenguin | just way more vendors |
| 15:02.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: if you didn't work for AMD what mips chip would you want to work with (assuming you'd want to) |
| 15:07.19 | prpplague | lordy i wish i could find someone familiar with the SPI subsystem |
| 15:07.37 | prpplague | there are virtual no docs and very few examples |
| 15:09.27 | CosmicPenguin | What MIPS chip would I work with? |
| 15:09.28 | CosmicPenguin | good question |
| 15:10.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: got my enc28j60 ported to 2.6 |
| 15:11.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: as soon as i get the thumbs up from the invertibrates i'm gonna put up a wiki page on elinux.org |
| 15:11.12 | CosmicPenguin | you should send it upstream too |
| 15:11.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: don't think its ready yet |
| 15:11.34 | CosmicPenguin | is it going to get any readier? |
| 15:11.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i have to make some changes to support the new SPI subsystem which i'm struggling with |
| 15:12.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i doubt it would be accepted with only the spi code for the s3c2410 and parport bitbanging |
| 15:13.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i've never been in a position to submit back drivers before, almost everything i've ever done was custom for our specific hardware |
| 15:16.06 | CosmicPenguin | well, now is your big chance |
| 15:16.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just hesitant about posting it on netdev, i fear the flame |
| 15:18.10 | CosmicPenguin | the flame will always be there |
| 15:18.13 | CosmicPenguin | you must learn to use the flame |
| 15:18.23 | CosmicPenguin | Jeff will be angry, but he'll get over it if the code is fine |
| 15:18.42 | jbevren | The flame is within us all. You must learn to harness its power to do good. |
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| 15:24.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: why would he be angry? because it only has the s3c2410 and parport code? |
| 15:25.06 | CosmicPenguin | no - I'm just saying in general |
| 15:25.14 | CosmicPenguin | YOu fear the flame |
| 15:25.20 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:26.19 | CosmicPenguin | You mustn't |
| 15:30.32 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 15:31.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so you think i should submit it with just the s3c2410 and parport code? |
| 15:31.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: before getting the spi subsystem working? |
| 15:31.51 | CosmicPenguin | Just submit it as an RFC |
| 15:31.58 | CosmicPenguin | if people dig it, then rock on |
| 15:32.06 | CosmicPenguin | otherwise, you'll get comments and you'll be a better person for it |
| 15:39.07 | prpplague | anyone use m$ live meeting? |
| 15:40.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, looks like a little war is developing between hh.o and oe folks |
| 15:40.57 | CosmicPenguin | a little war? |
| 15:41.03 | CosmicPenguin | a major war |
| 15:50.28 | davidc__ | hh.o? or? |
| 15:50.37 | davidc__ | *oe? |
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| 15:55.47 | prpplague | not sure whats its over, but its started spilling over into the other channels |
| 16:06.41 | jbevren | hh.o? |
| 16:06.45 | jbevren | I recognize oe |
| 16:07.30 | prpplague | handhelds.org |
| 16:15.38 | jbevren | ah. I guessed as much |
| 16:15.41 | jbevren | wanted to be sure :) |
| 16:16.32 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=613 |
| 16:16.41 | prpplague | i want to build my own cell phone pda , hehe |
| 16:22.24 | davidc__ | but whats oe? |
| 16:22.55 | prpplague | openembedded |
| 16:23.25 | prpplague | davidc__: http://www.openembedded.org/ |
| 16:27.59 | jbevren | prpplague: that's the cell transciever? |
| 16:28.57 | jbevren | prpplague: I'd enjoy a cellular modem built into a low-power daylight-readable laptop (greyscale lcd is fine) |
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| 17:41.07 | prpplague | doh phone outage |
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| 17:56.36 | prpplague | ugh , my allergies are killing me |
| 18:00.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you know about whats going on with the hh.o and oe folks? |
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| 18:03.48 | CosmicPenguin | there was something that went down around Familiar |
| 18:04.02 | CosmicPenguin | koen is at the middle of it - so much so he has been banned from hh.o and kicked off all the mailing lists |
| 18:04.16 | CosmicPenguin | It seems that at some point, somebody decided to fork OE and move it back to hh.o |
| 18:04.20 | CosmicPenguin | I think thats where the trouble started |
| 18:04.23 | CosmicPenguin | or at least escalated |
| 18:04.34 | CosmicPenguin | The boys in OE would know more |
| 18:05.11 | ohsix | and in english for our other viewers? :) (OE == ? hh = ?) |
| 18:06.02 | CosmicPenguin | OE is OpenEmbedded, hh is handhelds.org |
| 18:06.47 | ohsix | ah, thanks :) |
| 18:11.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: interesting |
| 18:13.26 | CosmicPenguin | Like I said, I haven't been following things as closely as I should |
| 18:15.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, got an interesting request this morning |
| 18:15.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: management is talking about adding an accelerometer chip to our handheld |
| 18:15.56 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - isn't that the new fad these days? :) |
| 18:16.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: void the warranty if any of the measurements exceed the values |
| 18:16.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea atleast for the next two weeks |
| 18:20.04 | jbevren | hmm |
| 18:20.18 | jbevren | ideas for PLD's with large space for LUT's? (say 80kbit) |
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| 20:19.15 | flyback | hey t0mw |
| 20:19.27 | flyback | you got a cs8900 to work good in the webpal right? |
| 20:20.22 | T0mW | yeah |
| 20:20.31 | flyback | I woudl think from what I read |
| 20:20.36 | flyback | that's a way better chip that ne2000 |
| 20:20.41 | T0mW | heh |
| 20:20.43 | flyback | course almost everything is |
| 20:20.45 | T0mW | comes in 5v too |
| 20:20.52 | flyback | ah so no +12 needed |
| 20:20.56 | flyback | Ididn't think of that |
| 20:21.08 | flyback | my friend runs a recycler project at a school so I told him to save some |
| 20:21.43 | flyback | has anyone gotten the fpu on the webpal supported or mp3 playback to be viable ? |
| 20:22.57 | T0mW | I haven't kept track of the webpal development. Been too busy with other stuff. |
| 20:23.12 | T0mW | I should though, I've 20 of those things here |
| 20:23.39 | T0mW | all I had to do was to pay the frieght from california and they were mine |
| 20:23.41 | T0mW | so... |
| 20:23.45 | flyback | I only have one :P |
| 20:23.54 | T0mW | having a spot for more junk... |
| 20:23.57 | T0mW | heh |
| 20:24.05 | flyback | well I was thinking of making it into a psybnc server since it's low power and doesn't seem useful for much else |
| 20:24.14 | flyback | yeah me too |
| 20:24.21 | flyback | http://flyback.databurn.net/ |
| 20:24.29 | flyback | if you anything insterestnig let me know |
| 20:25.02 | flyback | I should sell off my juiceboxes,I don't need 5 :P |
| 20:25.11 | flyback | I bought them when I thuoght they looked cooler than they are |
| 20:26.21 | flyback | have you done the webpage upgrade to linux yet |
| 20:26.34 | flyback | I think I am going to try that cause if it fails, then I am back where I would have been anyways |
| 20:26.40 | flyback | forced to make a serial cable for the webpal |
| 20:27.35 | T0mW | ? "have you done the webpage upgrade to linux yet" ? |
| 20:27.45 | flyback | oh you didn't read about that |
| 20:27.58 | flyback | someone cracked the code the default os uses for web page updating of itself |
| 20:28.11 | T0mW | on webpal? |
| 20:28.12 | flyback | so you can point the box to a page with linux firmware and it will update |
| 20:28.16 | flyback | yes |
| 20:28.22 | T0mW | oh, that is really cool! |
| 20:28.37 | flyback | that was in the linuxbbs hacker page since at least last year? |
| 20:28.57 | flyback | I been too sick and fucked up to play with it but now that things are settling I might |
| 20:28.58 | flyback | apex? |
| 20:28.59 | T0mW | like I said, theres been other stuff going on. |
| 20:29.05 | flyback | yeah I knwo that feeling |
| 20:29.07 | T0mW | ARM710 is kind of slow |
| 20:29.16 | flyback | yeah that's why I thougth abuot psybnc |
| 20:29.20 | flyback | it would be perfect for that |
| 20:29.33 | flyback | just maintaining all my irc links so I can switch between pc's |
| 20:29.45 | flyback | and also if the pc dies, some dipshit doesn't steal my nick again and throw it in gay channels |
| 20:29.58 | T0mW | I bought them for a system mockup I had in mind further down the road. It will still happen, just not in the near term. |
| 20:30.08 | T0mW | LOL |
| 20:30.11 | flyback | yeah I know how that is too |
| 20:30.12 | prpplague | flyback: please be careful with your language |
| 20:30.16 | flyback | oh sorry |
| 20:30.28 | flyback | this guy has been harassing me 9+ months now, I get little enraged when I think abuot it |
| 20:30.38 | flyback | mmmm |
| 20:30.53 | prpplague | T0mW: hey you looked at the cameras from sparkfun? |
| 20:30.58 | flyback | you guys noticed how all of a sudden how dang cheap compact flash got? |
| 20:30.58 | flyback | wow |
| 20:31.01 | T0mW | here goes another $300 for prototypes |
| 20:31.11 | flyback | once I have my software tested and confirmed working using a junk hd |
| 20:31.20 | flyback | a lot of my embedded boxes will run cf to ide |
| 20:31.22 | flyback | no reason not to |
| 20:31.40 | T0mW | flyback: I use miniSD & SD on my recent projects |
| 20:31.50 | flyback | can you map those in as a disk? |
| 20:31.51 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=637 |
| 20:32.09 | T0mW | flyback: yes, they can be used a MSDOS FAT16 drive |
| 20:32.12 | flyback | sparkfun is defintely one of the cooler tech-pr0n sites |
| 20:32.12 | flyback | wow |
| 20:32.15 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/cgi-bin/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2442 |
| 20:32.44 | T0mW | flyback: I use newlib and an ARM7TDMI-S processor along with RDCF2 fat16 filesystem driver that gets stubbed out into newlib |
| 20:32.56 | T0mW | fopen(), fwrite(), etc. |
| 20:35.04 | T0mW | prpplague: I won't use that stuff this year, heh |
| 21:03.05 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:08.35 | EvilDevil | take a big mug.... |
| 21:09.46 | prpplague | ahh good point |
| 21:14.37 | jbevren | dribbledribbledribble |
| 21:14.40 | jbevren | Dave, is that you making that noise? |
| 21:14.44 | jbevren | uhhh |
| 21:14.44 | jbevren | no? |
| 21:14.46 | jbevren | hehe |
| 21:15.06 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:15.18 | prpplague | i put the phone on mute and ran to the latrine |
| 21:20.53 | jbevren | Uhhuh. NMI received for unknown reason 31 on CPU 0. |
| 21:20.55 | jbevren | wtf? |
| 21:20.59 | jbevren | know what that's about? |
| 21:21.23 | prpplague | haven't seen that kind of error in ages |
| 21:21.26 | prpplague | with rhat 9 |
| 21:24.25 | jbevren | RHEL in this case |
| 21:24.35 | jbevren | imho nmi=memory |
| 21:24.43 | jbevren | but Ive never seen the actual report code |
| 21:25.55 | prpplague | jbevren: try turning off acpi |
| 21:26.08 | prpplague | jbevren: with your kernel arg |
| 21:26.13 | prpplague | acpi=off |
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| 21:28.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: holy processors batpengiun |
| 21:28.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you see /. |
| 21:28.32 | prpplague | ??????? |
| 21:29.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm wondering what would happen to ATI mips stuff |
| 21:31.38 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 21:31.44 | CosmicPenguin | surprised it took you so long to see that |
| 21:33.06 | prpplague | been very busy |
| 21:33.08 | prpplague | today |
| 21:33.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: mips mips mips |
| 21:34.08 | CosmicPenguin | Why so worried about MIPS? |
| 21:34.14 | CosmicPenguin | you're a arm guy |
| 21:34.39 | prpplague | just happen to spend more time on arm |
| 21:34.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i want to learn |
| 21:34.50 | CosmicPenguin | there is nothing wrong with the MIPS core |
| 21:34.55 | CosmicPenguin | plenty of companies out there doing mips |
| 21:35.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: agreed |
| 21:35.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just wondering what AMD would do with ATI's |
| 21:35.19 | CosmicPenguin | AMD is a microprocessor company |
| 21:35.21 | CosmicPenguin | ATI is not |
| 21:35.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: agreed again |
| 21:35.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so would ati transfer their mips stuff to amd? |
| 21:35.46 | CosmicPenguin | let that logic wash over you, and then read the /. argical again |
| 21:35.51 | CosmicPenguin | s/argical/article/ |
| 21:36.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea good marriage of their graphics and such to amd's processor stuff |
| 21:37.02 | CosmicPenguin | again - AMD is a microprocessor company |
| 21:37.13 | CosmicPenguin | we once made southbridges, remember? |
| 21:37.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right |
| 21:37.31 | CosmicPenguin | If that was a profitable business, we would still be in it, I would venture |
| 21:37.40 | prpplague | ok |
| 21:37.45 | prpplague | i would agree with that |
| 21:38.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so you think this is a bogus assumtion? |
| 21:38.01 | CosmicPenguin | And the GPU market is so crazy, only a fool would toch that |
| 21:38.44 | CosmicPenguin | absolutely - this is an incorrect assumption based on incomplete facts |
| 21:39.12 | prpplague | ahh |
| 21:39.31 | prpplague | market analysis for ya |
| 21:40.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: later bud |
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