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| 00:55.33 | joe_bleau | prpplague: time for my daily lnode question? |
| 00:56.21 | prpplague | shoot |
| 00:56.32 | joe_bleau | the onboard flash: nor or nand? |
| 00:56.39 | prpplague | nor |
| 00:56.57 | joe_bleau | Sweet. |
| 00:57.10 | joe_bleau | Hey, I was asked about bluetooth today. |
| 00:57.15 | prpplague | plus you can use the spi for sd/mmc |
| 00:57.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:57.37 | prpplague | joe_bleau: about the lnode? |
| 00:57.41 | joe_bleau | Nope. |
| 00:57.46 | prpplague | oh |
| 00:58.12 | joe_bleau | I guess I'll need to whip something up for a customer to test. |
| 00:58.27 | joe_bleau | Probably just a serial cable replacement, so I need a module that will interface with a UART. |
| 00:59.01 | joe_bleau | I've looked at a few, and they seem to support a modified modem style AT command syntax. |
| 00:59.36 | joe_bleau | I thought it was funny, considering you asked me about BT last week! |
| 00:59.45 | prpplague | joe_bleau: yea, you can get stuff that is pure rs-232 uart replacement |
| 00:59.51 | prpplague | joe_bleau: you look at sparkfun? |
| 01:00.20 | joe_bleau | Don't think so...I think I saw some stuff at kanda? |
| 01:00.57 | joe_bleau | quick-n-dirty is probably the best path on this project, |
| 01:01.17 | joe_bleau | 'cause the customer doesn't really know what they want yet. |
| 01:01.46 | prpplague | joe_bleau: what are the hosts? |
| 01:01.55 | joe_bleau | Don't know yet. |
| 01:02.15 | prpplague | joe_bleau: well if its pc's you can just use bt usb dongles |
| 01:02.33 | prpplague | joe_bleau: if its some sort of embedded you can get some modules from sparkfun |
| 01:02.43 | joe_bleau | On my end? Embedded stuff. |
| 01:02.51 | joe_bleau | One their end? I don't know. Either a PC or PLC. |
| 01:03.04 | prpplague | joe_bleau: ahh |
| 01:03.13 | joe_bleau | I'll certainly look at sparkfun...that's about the right fit. |
| 01:03.16 | prpplague | joe_bleau: then sparkfun would be where you'd want to go |
| 01:03.26 | joe_bleau | I've got a USB dongle to test with, at least. |
| 01:05.17 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=642 |
| 01:06.09 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=617 |
| 01:06.54 | joe_bleau | 642 is too big. |
| 01:07.31 | joe_bleau | 617: no FCC cert!? |
| 01:07.44 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=148 |
| 01:07.52 | prpplague | thats about as small as you are gonna get |
| 01:08.19 | joe_bleau | 617 and 148 size looks good. |
| 01:10.10 | joe_bleau | Wow...120mA during TX? |
| 01:10.14 | joe_bleau | Hungry little sucker. |
| 01:11.23 | joe_bleau | Looks like you're also responsible for providing a reset supervisor. |
| 01:13.56 | joe_bleau | If I can find space, this might be easier to work with (power supply voltage): http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=582 |
| 01:18.35 | prpplague | joe_bleau: ahh didn't see that one |
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| 02:01.25 | flyback | just when I thuoght this day couldn't suck more shit |
| 02:01.26 | flyback | http://www.eet.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=M24IE1KVWQEG2QSNDBESKHA?articleID=188700427 |
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| 02:17.58 | flyback | http://www.eet.com/news/design/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=UHTZHHN5HM55SQSNDBOCKICCJUMEKJVN?articleID=188700327 |
| 02:51.24 | flyback | is the constant issues I have with usb flash readers or drives not being detected properly etc, unless the unit is plugged in before linux starts, a specific knoppix/insert issue or something linux in general |
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| 03:01.36 | MonMotha | flyback: given that it works fine for me on my desktop (doing things pretty much manually), I'd say it's a knoppix script issue |
| 03:08.18 | flyback | figures |
| 03:08.31 | flyback | thx btw |
| 03:09.38 | flyback | you get a bunch of scsci sense data errors |
| 03:09.42 | flyback | partition alignment shit etc |
| 03:09.57 | flyback | it's weird cause sometimes if I swap readers etc it will work |
| 03:10.02 | flyback | but then that one will quit and you have to use the other |
| 03:10.44 | MonMotha | I think you have a POS reader... |
| 03:11.01 | flyback | na dude it's both and sometimes I think other flash drives have done it |
| 03:11.04 | flyback | it's totally random |
| 03:11.17 | flyback | the readers are the one that comes with the juicebox |
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| 05:19.06 | jbevren | http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=151250154&size=o |
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| 09:19.11 | MonMotha | http://libusb-win32.sourceforge.net/ <---I think my life just got much, much easier |
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| 10:25.33 | flyback | HOLY S*** |
| 10:25.42 | flyback | guys I did a little research since I can't sleep |
| 10:25.55 | flyback | and I see a big demand for hw floppy emulation |
| 10:26.35 | flyback | c64, atari, trs-80, apple, appleII, c64, amiga, and a few others already have ways to attach a cable from their i/o port to a pc running software to emulate the floppy drive |
| 10:26.52 | flyback | this might be a worthwild project to make some kinda generic one that could use a flash module |
| 10:27.20 | flyback | wonder how many floppy interfaces and standards there actually were |
| 10:28.31 | flyback | hah $80 for a floppy drive |
| 10:28.41 | flyback | I guess people love their old synth keyboards :) |
| 10:30.26 | flyback | wonder how hard it would be to do something that would actually go inside the existing floppy drive for 1:1 emulation without need for software change |
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| 13:53.26 | prpplague | Puff-n-Stuff: greeting |
| 13:53.46 | prpplague | Puff-n-Stuff: channel is kinda slow in the day |
| 13:53.53 | Puff-n-Stuff | no worries. |
| 13:53.53 | prpplague | Puff-n-Stuff: most everyone comes on at night |
| 13:53.59 | Puff-n-Stuff | figured I would hang here while online.. |
| 13:54.03 | Puff-n-Stuff | which is usually 24/7 |
| 13:54.15 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:54.56 | jbevren | heh |
| 13:55.00 | jbevren | I hang here while sleeping |
| 13:55.01 | jbevren | lol :) |
| 13:55.26 | prpplague | jbevren: hey btw, you still have the pics of the pixter mainboard online? |
| 13:56.32 | jbevren | yep |
| 13:56.32 | Puff-n-Stuff | jbevren, I run ##microcontrollers so stay online 24/7 except during power or net outages... |
| 13:56.32 | jbevren | Puff-n-Stuff: cool |
| 13:56.48 | prpplague | jbevren: url? |
| 13:57.03 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/pixter/ |
| 13:57.15 | prpplague | jbevren: btw, rumore has it that linux-hacker.net is down for the count |
| 13:57.53 | jbevren | for..? |
| 13:58.07 | jbevren | having 'hacker' in the domain name? |
| 13:58.14 | prpplague | jbevren: don't know yet |
| 13:58.23 | prpplague | jbevren: just rumored that its not coming back |
| 13:58.59 | prpplague | jbevren: should be able to get some pixter work done next weekend |
| 14:00.04 | jbevren | cool |
| 14:01.41 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm thinking about wiring up some flash to the external cart bus |
| 14:01.54 | jbevren | going to use a NOR? |
| 14:01.59 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:02.01 | jbevren | I never did check the serial port btw |
| 14:02.09 | prpplague | you really need nor to do the job for this |
| 14:02.34 | prpplague | yea, makes me wonder why they brought those lines out to test pads |
| 14:02.37 | jbevren | put a CS8900 on the expansion bus too ;) |
| 14:03.05 | jbevren | some versions of that silicon can serial-bootstrap |
| 14:03.10 | Puff-n-Stuff | ooooo. |
| 14:03.27 | prpplague | jbevren: naw a enc28j60 |
| 14:03.41 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.55 | jbevren | or a vlsi-1001k? :D |
| 14:04.00 | Puff-n-Stuff | enc28j60 is awesome...spi interfaced ethernet chip. |
| 14:04.05 | prpplague | jbevren: about to set up a wiki page on the enc28j60 |
| 14:04.26 | prpplague | jbevren: soon to release my linux driver for it as a RFC |
| 14:04.27 | bd2 | prpplague, I'm afraid being intrusive person, but have you looked at the patch? it's just important to me that some experienced man look at it. I'm really sorry about bothering you with that. |
| 14:04.53 | prpplague | bd2: sorry no, was very busy yesterday |
| 14:04.56 | jbevren | bd2: He does eventually get to his stuff :) |
| 14:04.58 | prpplague | bd2: send me the url again |
| 14:05.08 | bd2 | prpplague, of course. a moment |
| 14:05.14 | jbevren | it just takes a few months (cough pixter) sometimes lol |
| 14:05.41 | prpplague | bd2: i can only give you general comments as i don't do much with xscale |
| 14:05.42 | bd2 | http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/hx4700-port/19/1907.html |
| 14:06.17 | bd2 | prpplague, that is okay. even if you'll not help me, I anyway appreciate that you just tried |
| 14:07.01 | bd2 | voltage.diff in the attachment |
| 14:07.20 | jbevren | prpplague: awesome, it has WoL |
| 14:08.26 | prpplague | bd2: looks ok on the face |
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| 14:08.42 | prpplague | bd2: i'd have to get the datasheet to do a detailed check |
| 14:08.56 | prpplague | bd2: but as long as you have tested it, the patch looks clean |
| 14:09.30 | prpplague | jbevren: yea i really want to get usb slave working |
| 14:09.51 | prpplague | jbevren: trying to make some decisions about how to attack the design |
| 14:09.53 | bd2 | yeah, it is even works. But with "nop; nop; nop" it hangs. So I want to understand why. I'll try do solve problem on my own, wait for the answers a few days, and will ask on arm-linux if nothing helps |
| 14:10.12 | jbevren | prpplague: it doesnt seem too complex (pixter I assume) |
| 14:10.22 | prpplague | jbevren: well the question is |
| 14:10.46 | jbevren | Mind you, I say this, and havent hacked up a 16/32bitter before |
| 14:10.48 | prpplague | jbevren: should be leave the onboard rom alone and try getting something running via a nand flash similiar to the spongebob cart |
| 14:10.58 | prpplague | jbevren: or shall we look at hacking in replacement nand |
| 14:10.59 | jbevren | the design just seems straightforward (compared to the complexity of old 8bit systems) |
| 14:11.00 | prpplague | nor |
| 14:11.19 | prpplague | jbevren: yea the main issue is the rom |
| 14:11.21 | jbevren | well |
| 14:11.25 | jbevren | the fewer modifications we have to do |
| 14:11.29 | jbevren | the more people will join the club :) |
| 14:11.45 | jbevren | btw |
| 14:11.46 | prpplague | agreed, but i need a solid dev platform |
| 14:11.58 | jbevren | the onboard NOR rom seem sto share lines with the pins used by the SB cart |
| 14:12.02 | Puff-n-Stuff | prpplague, you seen armlib? |
| 14:12.13 | prpplague | Puff-n-Stuff: just looking at the link you posted |
| 14:12.22 | Puff-n-Stuff | http://hubbard.engr.scu.edu/embedded/arm/armlib/ from the makers of avrlib. |
| 14:12.33 | prpplague | jbevren: off course it does, hehe |
| 14:12.44 | prpplague | jbevren: adress and data!! hehehe |
| 14:13.11 | prpplague | Puff-n-Stuff: ahh from the creator of avrlib |
| 14:13.14 | prpplague | good stuff |
| 14:13.16 | Puff-n-Stuff | yea. |
| 14:13.19 | jbevren | prpplague: this leads to the point |
| 14:13.22 | Puff-n-Stuff | they have some hardware too. |
| 14:13.28 | jbevren | you can disable the MCU by hard-grounding both debug lines |
| 14:13.35 | jbevren | and find the CE line for the onboard rom to read it |
| 14:13.48 | prpplague | jbevren: right |
| 14:13.48 | jbevren | I dunno how much disassembling youdo |
| 14:14.01 | prpplague | jbevren: we can dump the rom with no problems |
| 14:14.07 | prpplague | jbevren: thats really not an issue |
| 14:14.46 | Puff-n-Stuff | looks like it is new and under development...where avrlib was about a year ago. |
| 14:15.05 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:15.26 | prpplague | Puff-n-Stuff: i used his enc28j60.h file for my driver since it was very generic and well done |
| 14:16.19 | prpplague | jbevren: what i would have liked to see is the CS0 on the external connector |
| 14:16.30 | jbevren | ah |
| 14:16.36 | jbevren | CS0 would be the bootstrap rom space? |
| 14:16.44 | jbevren | Its been a while since I read the chip doc |
| 14:17.08 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, that normally maps to the device starting at 0x00000000 |
| 14:17.32 | jbevren | gotcha |
| 14:17.39 | jbevren | I remembered the arm starting at 0 (to read the reset vect) |
| 14:17.47 | jbevren | so I figured CS0 was the lowest mem space |
| 14:18.22 | prpplague | jbevren: that power pin on the cart for controlling the main power |
| 14:18.47 | prpplague | jbevren: i'd like to cut that line and connect the CS0 to the pin on the external cart |
| 14:18.58 | prpplague | jbevren: the camera is t he only cart i've seen that uses it |
| 14:20.40 | jbevren | it doesnt seem to work on the mm |
| 14:20.45 | jbevren | so I'm not sure that this is its use |
| 14:20.56 | jbevren | but yeah, cut CS0 from the internal rom and send it to te cart port |
| 14:21.19 | prpplague | jbevren: it may no longer even be used on the pixter-mm |
| 14:21.26 | jbevren | nod |
| 14:21.29 | jbevren | hm |
| 14:22.29 | prpplague | jbevren: i'd really like to find out what pins are being used on the lh79524 |
| 14:22.40 | prpplague | jbevren: find out what multiplexed stuff is available |
| 14:23.06 | prpplague | jbevren: have you seen any other carts that use the pin 60? |
| 14:23.23 | jbevren | I only had two rom carts |
| 14:23.27 | jbevren | one was all CoB hardware |
| 14:23.39 | jbevren | I cant see if 60's connected on the pixter board; the slot covers too much pcb |
| 14:23.50 | jbevren | dont really have time for a resistance check |
| 14:24.15 | prpplague | jbevren: np |
| 14:24.30 | prpplague | jbevren: i should be able to start hacking middle of next week |
| 14:25.28 | jbevren | nod |
| 14:25.32 | jbevren | you going to be using jtager? |
| 14:26.09 | jbevren | hrm |
| 14:26.19 | jbevren | so the mcu downloads code from the CoB rom and boots |
| 14:26.20 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:26.27 | jbevren | it should be easy enough to find the CS line |
| 14:26.33 | jbevren | look for a square wave during init |
| 14:26.44 | jbevren | I need to get my scope back from my sister |
| 14:26.47 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:26.49 | prpplague | jbevren: yea thats not really gonna be difficult |
| 14:26.59 | prpplague | jbevren: i can use the jtag app to wiggle the line |
| 14:27.10 | jbevren | I'm kinda miffed that our silicon doesnt support serial boot |
| 14:27.18 | jbevren | prpplague: good point |
| 14:28.11 | prpplague | ~lart jbevren |
| 14:28.26 | prpplague | jbevren: you already have nCS0 identified as L16 |
| 14:29.56 | jbevren | hmm |
| 14:30.05 | jbevren | that saved us some work :) |
| 14:30.14 | prpplague | jbevren: i don't see L16 in your picture? |
| 14:30.22 | jbevren | probably on the underside |
| 14:32.17 | prpplague | jbevren: is that it over by the crystal and C15 ? |
| 14:32.35 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/pixter/pixterboard-overhead.jpg |
| 14:32.40 | jbevren | look to the left of C15 |
| 14:33.13 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/pixter/pixterMM-cpu+dac--LARGE-FILE.jpg <- there too, but blurry |
| 14:33.36 | prpplague | jbevren: yea thats what i thought |
| 14:33.46 | prpplague | jbevren: how did you know it was nCS0? |
| 14:33.55 | jbevren | the pad is labeled L16 |
| 14:34.02 | jbevren | L16 in the sharp doc is nCS0 |
| 14:34.08 | jbevren | it worked for the jtag pads :) |
| 14:34.13 | prpplague | ahhhhhh |
| 14:34.16 | prpplague | gotcha |
| 14:34.18 | prpplague | i seeee |
| 14:34.22 | jbevren | credits to tom I think |
| 14:34.28 | jbevren | he gave me the idea that those may be pin coords |
| 14:35.03 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:35.23 | jbevren | gonna use a 3.3v LDO regulator on my 6v psu for the gp2x |
| 14:35.34 | prpplague | lovely |
| 14:35.37 | jbevren | the can's a stock racer (number 43) |
| 14:35.53 | prpplague | ?? |
| 14:37.05 | jbevren | you know, stock car racers |
| 14:37.08 | prpplague | jbevren: i'll check out some of the other pixter color carts i have this evening |
| 14:37.10 | jbevren | like racing at daytona etc |
| 14:37.18 | jbevren | its a stamped metal can for mints shaped like one |
| 14:37.18 | prpplague | jbevren: what about them? |
| 14:37.25 | prpplague | oh |
| 14:37.42 | jbevren | fits in the palm of your hand.. just enough room for the lm1805-3.3 |
| 14:37.49 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.03 | prpplague | i've been pondering what to do with a altoids mini can |
| 14:38.06 | jbevren | I wanted a metal can so that it could sink some heat away |
| 14:38.37 | prpplague | jbevren: i assume you saw the latest altoid project from ladyada? |
| 14:39.10 | jbevren | yeah |
| 14:39.12 | jbevren | kinda neat |
| 14:39.18 | jbevren | I looked at her spokePOV |
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| 14:39.41 | jbevren | I thought of an arm7 (juicebox-style) playing video on rgb led's lol :D |
| 14:39.56 | jbevren | <- evil |
| 14:41.18 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe |
| 14:42.17 | prpplague | ok so i think we can do something with the nCS0 to the external connector |
| 14:42.18 | jbevren | prpplague: I wonder what PM0 is (the other identitiy for L16 in the doc) |
| 14:42.56 | prpplague | jbevren: hmm, i'll have a look |
| 14:43.03 | prpplague | jbevren: my first guess would be PWM |
| 14:43.14 | prpplague | jbevren: but that seems an odd combination for nCS0 |
| 14:44.46 | jbevren | LH79524-LH79525\ User\'s\ Guide\ 6-1-05.pdf |
| 14:44.46 | prpplague | jbevren: btw, sharp has changed their web page again so the url is no longer valid |
| 14:44.49 | jbevren | page 213 |
| 14:44.56 | jbevren | need the pdf? |
| 14:45.16 | prpplague | no, i was just checking the url |
| 14:45.40 | jbevren | (long post) |
| 14:45.40 | jbevren | The EMC interface for NAND Flash has two modes: one for booting and one for normal accesses. During boot, the Boot ROM handles the logic for generating control signals on he four address lines used for the Address Latch Enable (ALE), Command Latch Enable CLE), Flash Write Enable (nFWE), and Flash Read Enable (nFRE) signals. When used or booting, the NAND Flash must be selected with chip select nCS0, which has been programmed as GPIO PM0. If not |
| 14:45.46 | jbevren | gah gut truncated |
| 14:45.59 | jbevren | If not used for booting, it can be selected with any chip select signal. See Chapter 3 for more information about the Boot Controller. |
| 14:46.46 | prpplague | yea seems this unit has a rather robust boot options |
| 14:47.04 | jbevren | 258 is part of the gpio mux table |
| 14:47.09 | jbevren | it has pad locations in the table |
| 14:47.46 | jbevren | there's no description of PM0 by name |
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| 14:50.31 | jbevren | however, there's no 'PWM' in the gpio mux table |
| 14:51.24 | prpplague | jbevren: interesting about the bootloader |
| 14:51.40 | prpplague | jbevren: seems you can configure the boot controller to boot from nCS1 |
| 14:51.44 | jbevren | what page? |
| 14:51.54 | prpplague | jbevren: 75 |
| 14:51.55 | jbevren | oh |
| 14:51.56 | jbevren | ch3 yeah |
| 14:53.58 | prpplague | jbevren: the pixter color doesn't have nCS1 on the external bus, but the Pixter-mm might |
| 14:54.15 | prpplague | jbevren: really need to do a trace for a board |
| 14:54.19 | jbevren | nod |
| 14:54.27 | jbevren | or at least wiggle lines via jtag and ring em out on the port |
| 14:54.33 | jbevren | think that'd work? |
| 14:54.48 | prpplague | jbevren: probably , just easier and less time consuming to just remove the parts |
| 14:55.05 | jbevren | yeah I only have one pixter :( |
| 14:55.11 | jbevren | I didnt have money on me when I saw em on clearance |
| 14:55.57 | prpplague | jbevren: i know how that is |
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| 14:56.07 | prpplague | jbevren: they have some on ebay for $25 |
| 14:56.09 | jbevren | not that I couldnt afford one for $20. heh |
| 14:56.19 | jbevren | the one I have I paid 80 for :X |
| 14:56.39 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe |
| 14:56.54 | prpplague | jbevren: just think i've had to buy 4 and only have two, hehe |
| 14:57.46 | jbevren | nod |
| 14:57.47 | jbevren | too true |
| 14:58.08 | jbevren | did I mention that I got a pair of class1 usb dongles on the way? |
| 14:58.23 | jbevren | s/usb/bluetooth/ |
| 14:59.10 | jbevren | I probably did since there's a camera in the same box heh |
| 14:59.31 | prpplague | jbevren: just like the juicebox cart you can replace that matrix chip with a xD slot/card |
| 14:59.45 | jbevren | prpplague: nod |
| 14:59.50 | jbevren | I still have the pcb somewhere |
| 14:59.56 | jbevren | I lifted plenty of pads getting the matrix off heh |
| 14:59.57 | prpplague | jbevren: would be nice if we could get it to boot that way |
| 15:00.03 | jbevren | but that doesnt preclude me from using it |
| 15:00.13 | jbevren | preclude's probalby the wrong word |
| 15:00.31 | jbevren | I do have an intact cart yet |
| 15:00.42 | jbevren | it'd be real sneaky if they used the same boot format |
| 15:00.46 | jbevren | (for the jb) |
| 15:00.57 | jbevren | have you done custom carts fro the pixter bw? |
| 15:01.35 | prpplague | jbevren: what? |
| 15:01.45 | jbevren | you have the pixter page on the wiki |
| 15:01.56 | jbevren | have you made custom cart roms for it? |
| 15:02.17 | prpplague | jbevren: no, i only made the breakout board before getting side tracked |
| 15:02.44 | jbevren | the chip has a 'dual panel' mode |
| 15:02.47 | jbevren | (for two lcd panels) |
| 15:03.00 | prpplague | thats interesting |
| 15:03.14 | prpplague | i wonder what the current status of the pixter multimedia is |
| 15:03.25 | jbevren | If not used for booting, it can be selected with any chip select signal. See Chapter 3 for more information about the Boot Controller. |
| 15:03.28 | jbevren | wtf |
| 15:03.30 | prpplague | i wonder if it is still in production or if it is a dead product |
| 15:03.30 | jbevren | it didnt select it lol |
| 15:03.36 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.48 | jbevren | this sharpm IC you mean? |
| 15:04.41 | jbevren | page 79 has the feature summary btw |
| 15:05.03 | jbevren | little-endian, big-endian and WinCE data formatting |
| 15:05.06 | jbevren | wtf is wince data formatting |
| 15:09.57 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm confused by that OR package |
| 15:10.16 | prpplague | jbevren: not sure what they doing there with the two chip selects |
| 15:10.53 | jbevren | prpplague: me either :( |
| 15:11.49 | jbevren | brb |
| 15:14.25 | prpplague | jbevren: this is really interesting |
| 15:22.18 | prpplague | jbevren: very interesting read |
| 15:22.36 | prpplague | jbevren: turns out that the default boot for the lh79524 is to map nCS1 to 0x00000000 |
| 15:22.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 15:23.00 | prpplague | jbevren: so more than likely the CoB is probably on nCS1 |
| 15:23.21 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 15:24.41 | jbevren | prpplague: ah |
| 15:25.03 | jbevren | is this set by jumpers/resistors or by a flash-based control register? |
| 15:26.02 | prpplague | jbevren: neither, there is a register that controls the mapping, but it defaults to nCS1 on reset |
| 15:26.19 | prpplague | jbevren: basically nCS1 is where the initial code will be |
| 15:26.41 | jbevren | aha |
| 15:26.41 | jbevren | I see |
| 15:26.51 | prpplague | jbevren: looks like we could configure it to boot from i2c or uart, but that seems more difficult to implement |
| 15:27.12 | jbevren | iirc not all silicon implementations will boot from uart |
| 15:27.19 | prpplague | jbevren: i think we can just cut the 0 ohm trace pads for nCS1 and solder to that |
| 15:27.37 | prpplague | jbevren: yea it depends on what is loaded into the silicon bootrom |
| 15:27.45 | jbevren | nod |
| 15:29.32 | prpplague | i really need to strip one of the boards |
| 15:29.36 | prpplague | do some traces |
| 15:30.05 | prpplague | i think we can do a small board with NOR flash |
| 15:30.10 | prpplague | and boot externally with it |
| 15:30.29 | prpplague | cut the nCS1 trace and add one wire to go to pin60 |
| 15:31.09 | jbevren | I updated the URL on the lh29524 page |
| 15:31.19 | prpplague | ok thanks |
| 15:31.27 | prpplague | jbevren: 4mb ram is still pretty small |
| 15:31.48 | jbevren | http://www.sharpsma.com/Page.aspx/americas/en/part/LH79524/ fyi |
| 15:32.07 | prpplague | i wonder what kind of fb stuff we can do in 4mb ram? |
| 15:32.08 | jbevren | dont need a login anymore at sharpmsa to get the files apparently |
| 15:32.14 | jbevren | 4MB/ |
| 15:32.15 | jbevren | hm |
| 15:32.26 | jbevren | well if its sharedmem its obviously limited |
| 15:32.33 | jbevren | do you know the lcd resolution offhand? |
| 15:32.52 | prpplague | sorry no |
| 15:32.55 | jbevren | np |
| 15:33.03 | jbevren | its probably 160x120 |
| 15:33.07 | prpplague | if you had jtager working you could read the registers and find out |
| 15:33.15 | jbevren | as small as it is, 320x240 would appear more crisp |
| 15:33.22 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:33.23 | jbevren | I might be able to with ocd |
| 15:33.34 | jbevren | it does get the chip into debug mode, but it cant halt the cpu |
| 15:33.40 | jbevren | reading memory seems to work |
| 15:33.46 | prpplague | oh? |
| 15:33.48 | prpplague | interesting |
| 15:33.58 | jbevren | let me get a few tickets done here so work thinks I'm working :) |
| 15:34.03 | prpplague | should be able to read the fb registers and get the screen size |
| 15:34.08 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:34.18 | jbevren | can you look up where to read while I catch up with my goal? hehe |
| 15:34.50 | prpplague | yea i'll have look |
| 15:36.05 | prpplague | jbevren: 0xffff4000 0xffff4004 0xffff4008 |
| 15:36.21 | prpplague | jbevren: everything we need to know about the lcd in those registers |
| 15:37.09 | jbevren | I need to linuxify that thing heh |
| 15:37.22 | jbevren | I'm going to be shifting boxen around soonish |
| 15:46.17 | jbevren | stupid ocd |
| 15:46.25 | jbevren | it resets the chip and doesnt wait long enough for it to come up |
| 15:46.35 | jbevren | so I disconnected the reset :D |
| 15:47.02 | jbevren | ok lets see if the regs make sense |
| 15:47.52 | jbevren | >word 0xffff4000 |
| 15:47.52 | jbevren | FFFF4000: 2408080A |
| 15:47.52 | jbevren | >word 0xffff4004 |
| 15:47.52 | jbevren | FFFF4004: 9F000505 |
| 15:47.52 | jbevren | >word 0xffff4008 |
| 15:47.53 | jbevren | FFFF4008: 0030A100 |
| 15:48.22 | jbevren | I shorted a button on it, hopefully that'll keep it from sleeping :) |
| 15:58.24 | prpplague | hmmm ok |
| 15:58.28 | prpplague | let me have a look |
| 16:00.06 | prpplague | jbevren: interesting |
| 16:00.20 | prpplague | jbevren: horizontal would be 96 pixels across |
| 16:00.22 | jbevren | (I hope someone's logging this, I forgot to turn the log on) :) |
| 16:00.25 | jbevren | hrm |
| 16:00.32 | jbevren | it -is- a small lcd, but I dunno about 96 |
| 16:00.40 | jbevren | entirely possible though |
| 16:00.51 | jbevren | it'd cost less to make that way :) |
| 16:02.31 | prpplague | interesting |
| 16:02.40 | prpplague | from this it would be a 262x96 |
| 16:02.52 | jbevren | hm |
| 16:03.00 | jbevren | let me log in at a lower speed to see if I get the same results |
| 16:04.00 | jbevren | same results |
| 16:04.07 | jbevren | (jtag clock 4khz) |
| 16:05.46 | prpplague | jbevren: ocd does do bit swapping does it? |
| 16:05.59 | jbevren | unsure actually |
| 16:06.03 | jbevren | want me to read by byte? |
| 16:06.13 | prpplague | jbevren: one sec |
| 16:06.51 | jbevren | FFFF4000: 24 08 08 0A 9F 00 05 05 00 30 A1 00 |
| 16:08.08 | prpplague | hmm, i think that might be swapped |
| 16:08.13 | prpplague | one sec |
| 16:08.20 | jbevren | k |
| 16:08.30 | jbevren | btw are all the regs there? |
| 16:08.36 | jbevren | I could dump em all to a file |
| 16:09.02 | prpplague | jbevren: no they are spaced out |
| 16:09.08 | jbevren | doh |
| 16:09.18 | jbevren | I'll build a macro during lunch if I have time |
| 16:09.18 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:09.23 | prpplague | let me find a known value register have you read it |
| 16:11.15 | jbevren | ok |
| 16:12.07 | jbevren | haha |
| 16:12.09 | jbevren | too funny |
| 16:12.17 | prpplague | 0xfffe6008 |
| 16:12.18 | jbevren | its marginally offensive but I must share |
| 16:12.20 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.23 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.52 | Puff-n-Stuff | haha |
| 16:13.16 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:13.23 | prpplague | jbevren: try reading that address |
| 16:13.25 | jbevren | FFFE6008: 0F000000 |
| 16:13.41 | prpplague | ok yea there is byte swapping going on |
| 16:13.54 | jbevren | I cant find an option for endianness in the setup :( |
| 16:13.55 | prpplague | jbevren: that value should have been 0x0000000f |
| 16:14.21 | jbevren | >byte 0xfffe6008 4 |
| 16:14.22 | jbevren | FFFE6008: 0F 00 00 00 |
| 16:14.35 | jbevren | shrug |
| 16:14.47 | prpplague | thats ok from what i can see |
| 16:14.54 | prpplague | we can reverse it properly |
| 16:14.56 | prpplague | one sec |
| 16:14.59 | jbevren | sure |
| 16:15.17 | prpplague | jbevren: 0A080824 |
| 16:15.27 | prpplague | i think that should be the first register |
| 16:15.38 | jbevren | 6c000000 |
| 16:15.46 | prpplague | jbevren: what? |
| 16:15.59 | jbevren | >word 0x0A080824 |
| 16:16.00 | jbevren | 0A080824: 6C000000 |
| 16:16.09 | prpplague | no the address was correct |
| 16:16.16 | prpplague | just the data was byte swapped |
| 16:16.25 | jbevren | confused hehe |
| 16:16.37 | prpplague | jbevren: ocd is just displaying the results byte swapped |
| 16:16.44 | jbevren | right |
| 16:16.47 | prpplague | jbevren: some applications do that |
| 16:17.00 | jbevren | nod. That I understand |
| 16:17.34 | jbevren | http://images.ucomics.com/comics/nq/2006/nq060601.gif |
| 16:17.54 | prpplague | 24 08 08 0A is 0A 08 08 24 for the host |
| 16:18.10 | jbevren | oh so I should be swapping the address bytes? |
| 16:18.15 | jbevren | or not |
| 16:18.39 | jbevren | but yeah, ocd is running opposite-endian |
| 16:19.00 | prpplague | hmm, that came out to be 304 which aint right |
| 16:19.08 | prpplague | tries another combination |
| 16:19.19 | jbevren | how about the reset vector |
| 16:19.21 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:20.12 | prpplague | hmm that should have been correct |
| 16:20.22 | prpplague | jbevren: let me find one more test register |
| 16:20.25 | jbevren | ok |
| 16:23.36 | prpplague | hmm can't find one |
| 16:23.41 | jbevren | doh |
| 16:23.42 | prpplague | i suspect that the values are correcty |
| 16:23.48 | prpplague | but that they are swapped |
| 16:23.56 | jbevren | so with byteswap in consideration, how's the lcd look |
| 16:25.47 | prpplague | ahh ok, my fault |
| 16:25.52 | prpplague | i miss read the datasheet |
| 16:26.08 | prpplague | ok so with 0A080824, thats 160 horizontal |
| 16:26.23 | jbevren | snould I read 28? |
| 16:26.32 | prpplague | jbevren: what? |
| 16:26.39 | jbevren | the next register heh |
| 16:27.01 | prpplague | jbevren: 9F000505 is 0505009f |
| 16:27.04 | prpplague | jbevren: no |
| 16:27.07 | jbevren | k |
| 16:27.10 | prpplague | jbevren: the values are correct |
| 16:27.14 | jbevren | righto |
| 16:27.14 | prpplague | jbevren: just swapped |
| 16:27.19 | jbevren | vert res is 120? |
| 16:27.42 | prpplague | jbevren: calculating now |
| 16:28.24 | prpplague | jbevren: 160 |
| 16:28.31 | prpplague | so the lcd is 160x160 |
| 16:28.35 | jbevren | ah, its square |
| 16:28.45 | prpplague | jbevren: yea looks that way |
| 16:28.47 | jbevren | sounds sensible, Ive seen that resolution on lcd's |
| 16:29.22 | prpplague | oh now i need to see how many bits per pixel it is |
| 16:29.23 | prpplague | one sec |
| 16:31.07 | jbevren | hm |
| 16:31.59 | jbevren | I should twiddle the lcd res to see if it mucks the display heh |
| 16:32.56 | prpplague | ok i need the value at 0xffff401c |
| 16:34.03 | prpplague | jbevren: yea tweaking the values can damage the lcd |
| 16:34.26 | jbevren | FFFF401C: 27080000 |
| 16:34.42 | prpplague | ok 27080000 is 00000827 |
| 16:35.34 | prpplague | ok thats 8-bit |
| 16:35.45 | jbevren | the graphics are pretty 8bit'ish |
| 16:35.54 | prpplague | tft |
| 16:36.13 | prpplague | jbevren: yea that would be 256 colors |
| 16:36.20 | jbevren | yep :) |
| 16:36.38 | jbevren | I've designed (but never implemented) a few framebuffers |
| 16:36.43 | prpplague | hehe cool |
| 16:36.55 | prpplague | ok so we've collected some good info |
| 16:37.03 | prpplague | let me start a wiki page |
| 16:37.06 | jbevren | I also understand precisely how the commodore B128 makes its text (including the serializer) |
| 16:38.07 | Puff-n-Stuff | have a c-128 here. |
| 16:38.08 | prpplague | i wish i had more time this week to tinker |
| 16:38.15 | prpplague | but i have like 50 different builds to test |
| 16:38.19 | jbevren | I could twiddle the palette heh |
| 16:38.24 | Puff-n-Stuff | and several c-64 also. |
| 16:38.29 | jbevren | Puff-n-Stuff: sec |
| 16:38.47 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/c128/dscn1618.jpg |
| 16:38.56 | jbevren | microkernel OS running on my c128 :D |
| 16:39.03 | Puff-n-Stuff | kewl. |
| 16:39.08 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/c128/dscn1619.jpg |
| 16:39.15 | Puff-n-Stuff | base c-128? |
| 16:39.17 | jbevren | note the ploethera of crap hanging off the cart port heh |
| 16:39.21 | jbevren | superCPU |
| 16:39.25 | jbevren | 20mhz 65816, 16M linear ram |
| 16:39.33 | Puff-n-Stuff | bah. |
| 16:39.36 | Puff-n-Stuff | gotta go baseline! |
| 16:39.37 | Puff-n-Stuff | [: |
| 16:39.41 | jbevren | supports networking etc |
| 16:39.47 | jbevren | I dislike c128 mode |
| 16:39.51 | jbevren | its practically useless |
| 16:39.54 | Puff-n-Stuff | I had a GUI OS on the c-64 back in the day. |
| 16:40.03 | jbevren | I have a copy of geos floating about :) |
| 16:40.06 | Puff-n-Stuff | GEOS |
| 16:40.12 | Puff-n-Stuff | and there was GEOS128 too |
| 16:40.26 | Puff-n-Stuff | I still play games on my vic-20 too. |
| 16:40.31 | jbevren | and wheels, which is a software upgrade for geos |
| 16:40.33 | Puff-n-Stuff | hooked up to the projector. |
| 16:40.49 | Puff-n-Stuff | I jumped to amiga shortly after my first c-128.. |
| 16:41.05 | jbevren | I have a cdtv with addspeed+ide in it |
| 16:41.07 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:41.23 | jbevren | an a2000 in the basement |
| 16:41.31 | Puff-n-Stuff | had the amiga 1000, then the 500, then the A2000-UX |
| 16:41.39 | jbevren | 3000-ux? |
| 16:41.41 | Puff-n-Stuff | no |
| 16:41.43 | Puff-n-Stuff | 2000-ux |
| 16:41.49 | jbevren | I thought only the a3k was unixified |
| 16:42.03 | Puff-n-Stuff | a baseline 2000 with extra memory, 10mb mfm harddrive, and unix on it. |
| 16:42.07 | jbevren | the a2k baseline has a mc68000 |
| 16:42.09 | Puff-n-Stuff | way pre 3000 days. |
| 16:42.13 | Puff-n-Stuff | ayup. |
| 16:42.18 | jbevren | shrug :) |
| 16:42.24 | jbevren | that said, unixes ran on z80s |
| 16:42.27 | jbevren | and similar setups |
| 16:42.31 | Puff-n-Stuff | ayup. |
| 16:42.54 | Puff-n-Stuff | ran on the 68000 nicely.... |
| 16:42.55 | prpplague | jbevren: i think i like the pixter color lcd better though, its stn |
| 16:43.11 | jbevren | prpplague: wahts the advantage? (I thought tft was better) |
| 16:43.27 | jbevren | simplicity? |
| 16:43.31 | prpplague | jbevren: less control signals hehe |
| 16:43.35 | jbevren | ahh |
| 16:43.38 | Puff-n-Stuff | choo |
| 16:43.44 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/wiki/PixterMultimediaLCD?action=show |
| 16:43.49 | jbevren | there's a mezzazine between the pixter board and the panel tho |
| 16:44.02 | Puff-n-Stuff | need an spi interfaced video card dangit. |
| 16:44.03 | prpplague | jbevren: ?? |
| 16:44.34 | prpplague | ~dict mezzazine |
| 16:44.46 | Puff-n-Stuff | mezzanine maybe? |
| 16:46.31 | jbevren | yeh that'll do |
| 16:46.33 | jbevren | anyway |
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| 16:46.48 | jbevren | looks like it has a backlight inverter (I thought it used led?) |
| 16:46.57 | jbevren | and a row of resistors to match impedance on the panel |
| 16:47.00 | prpplague | ~dict mezzanine |
| 16:47.01 | prpplague | ~spell mezzanine |
| 16:47.01 | prpplague | damm what happened to purl |
| 16:47.01 | prpplague | purl: hello |
| 16:47.04 | purl | Howdy Bub |
| 16:47.35 | jbevren | mezzazine is a name assigned to an intermediary board |
| 16:47.38 | jbevren | my spelling may be wrong |
| 16:47.40 | jbevren | shrug heh |
| 16:47.50 | prpplague | jbevren: hmm |
| 16:47.58 | jbevren | pixter -> board -> lcd |
| 16:48.01 | prpplague | jbevren: a backlight inverter? that seems odd |
| 16:48.07 | prpplague | jbevren: oh |
| 16:48.13 | jbevren | prpplague: there's a choke or transformer on one end |
| 16:48.35 | prpplague | jbevren: oh thats probably the contrast/bias voltage |
| 16:48.42 | jbevren | ahh could be |
| 16:49.09 | prpplague | jbevren: any part numbers on the lcd? |
| 16:49.15 | prpplague | jbevren: or manufacturer info? |
| 16:49.27 | jbevren | I havent removed the lcd from the enclosure |
| 16:49.37 | jbevren | gonna run some more tickets lol |
| 16:49.43 | prpplague | ok thanks |
| 16:49.55 | jbevren | then I'll ponder pulling the lcd ;-) |
| 16:50.30 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:50.43 | prpplague | jbevren: lots of progress though |
| 16:50.56 | prpplague | jbevren: i really need to pull that info on the juicebox lcd |
| 16:51.07 | prpplague | jbevren: be nice to be able to use those lcds in something else |
| 16:51.57 | jbevren | the jb lcd is nice yeah |
| 16:52.22 | jbevren | any other config regs you want to poke at before I turn the pixter off? |
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| 16:52.35 | jbevren | those I can do from here since I'm on vnc ;-) |
| 16:53.14 | prpplague | jbevren: hmm give me just a minute to think |
| 16:53.57 | prpplague | jbevren: yea i'd like to get the boot register config |
| 16:54.05 | prpplague | jbevren: let me get the register address |
| 16:54.09 | jbevren | sure |
| 16:55.11 | prpplague | jbevren: 0xfffe6000 0xfffe6004 and 0xfffe6008 |
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| 16:56.43 | jbevren | >word 0xfffe6000 |
| 16:56.43 | jbevren | FFFE6000: 00000000 |
| 16:56.43 | jbevren | >word 0xfffe6004 |
| 16:56.43 | jbevren | FFFE6004: 00000000 |
| 16:56.43 | jbevren | >word 0xfffe6008 |
| 16:56.43 | jbevren | FFFE6008: 0F000000 |
| 16:57.53 | prpplague | jbevren: ok that means its using all the fault settings for the boot registers and the CoB rom chip is on nCS1 |
| 16:58.03 | jbevren | gotcha |
| 16:58.22 | jbevren | memory controller regs while we're at it? |
| 16:58.38 | jbevren | thats about all we havent covered |
| 16:58.53 | prpplague | jbevren: naw, not to worried about those at the momment |
| 16:58.57 | jbevren | hehe ok |
| 16:58.57 | prpplague | jbevren: let me think |
| 16:59.02 | jbevren | np |
| 16:59.07 | jbevren | seems to have lots of battery left heh |
| 16:59.19 | jbevren | btw, short one of the buttons when you put it on jtag |
| 16:59.27 | jbevren | otherwise the firmware will put itself to sleep and you'll lose the cpu |
| 17:00.05 | prpplague | jbevren: ahh |
| 17:00.24 | prpplague | jbevren: doesn't that unit have a reset button on the back? |
| 17:00.29 | jbevren | I just put a gator clip across the top button on the right side |
| 17:00.35 | jbevren | it does, but I dont know if its a hard reset |
| 17:00.44 | jbevren | it does bring up the calibration screen |
| 17:00.57 | jbevren | there's a reset pad near the jtag pads |
| 17:00.59 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, if you power on the unit while holding down the reset it will go into diagnostics mode |
| 17:01.06 | prpplague | jbevren: and won't go to sleep |
| 17:01.26 | jbevren | by power on you mean the switch, or apply batteries? |
| 17:01.37 | prpplague | jbevren: power switch |
| 17:01.41 | jbevren | cool |
| 17:01.59 | prpplague | jbevren: i think thats all the registers i need at the momment |
| 17:02.11 | jbevren | k |
| 17:02.13 | prpplague | jbevren: i just wish it had 8mb ram instead of 4 |
| 17:02.24 | jbevren | I'll see whats involved in extracting the lcd during lunch, most likely |
| 17:02.43 | prpplague | but then again, they got linux running on a gba with alot less |
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| 17:02.52 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:02.58 | prpplague | definetly would need to use a jffs2 rootfs |
| 17:03.08 | jbevren | initfs? |
| 17:03.11 | jbevren | (for testing that is) |
| 17:03.23 | jbevren | linux and sash |
| 17:03.34 | prpplague | hmm, that would still take up ram |
| 17:03.43 | jbevren | nod, but for initial testing, it'd be ok |
| 17:03.51 | jbevren | that said, we already know quite a bit |
| 17:04.01 | jbevren | compile the kernel in thumb mode? |
| 17:04.57 | Puff-n-Stuff | ok..what is the difference between ARM and THUMB? |
| 17:05.04 | Puff-n-Stuff | far as the processors go that is. |
| 17:05.16 | jbevren | theyre the same |
| 17:05.21 | jbevren | thumb is an instruction subset |
| 17:05.26 | Puff-n-Stuff | aahh..ok. |
| 17:05.47 | jbevren | arm-mode encoding is 32bits per instruction |
| 17:05.47 | jbevren | thumb-mode is 16 |
| 17:05.47 | jbevren | cuts the code size in half in exchange for an obvious performance penalty |
| 17:05.55 | Puff-n-Stuff | I see.. |
| 17:06.06 | jbevren | its handy for this very type of situation |
| 17:06.35 | Puff-n-Stuff | can you run both on the chip at the same time? or is it something set at power on or init of the chip? |
| 17:06.54 | jbevren | you can swap back and forth as you go |
| 17:07.02 | jbevren | so speed-critical sections can be in arm mode |
| 17:07.14 | Puff-n-Stuff | say, have the kernel in ARM mode and other code in thumb mode.. |
| 17:07.21 | jbevren | sure |
| 17:07.29 | jbevren | although the kernel will probably be the largest binary in memory |
| 17:07.30 | prpplague | yea there are other issues to swapping back and forth |
| 17:07.40 | Puff-n-Stuff | and/or versa visa.. |
| 17:07.41 | jbevren | yep. |
| 17:07.48 | jbevren | i.e. in thumb mode you cant access all the registers |
| 17:07.49 | prpplague | mostly thumb mode is used for deeply embedded standalone apps, i.e. no OS |
| 17:07.55 | jbevren | prpplague: I see |
| 17:08.15 | jbevren | I do have those 32Mbit sdram's still |
| 17:08.17 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:08.31 | jbevren | or did I get 16s |
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| 17:10.32 | prpplague | hmm, looks like on my s3c2410 i'm using just a little over 4mb ram for my kernel |
| 17:10.32 | jbevren | Morning, Ken |
| 17:10.35 | jbevren | you missed the fun :) |
| 17:10.50 | jbevren | prpplague: I remember having 4M total system ram heh |
| 17:10.54 | jbevren | bye ken! |
| 17:12.26 | Puff-n-Stuff | I remember having 256k of system ram on my first 386...less than that on the xt and 286 systems I had. |
| 17:12.42 | prpplague | hmm, wonder whats the best way to get the memory usage of just the kernel and nothing else |
| 17:13.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what do you use to check your memory usage? |
| 17:13.58 | Puff-n-Stuff | the 386 with 256k was kinda useless..wasnt long before I had it filled up to 1M! |
| 17:15.04 | CosmicPenguin | dip stick |
| 17:15.23 | Puff-n-Stuff | actually..sipp sticks |
| 17:15.32 | Puff-n-Stuff | sip |
| 17:15.41 | jbevren | prpplague: dmesg? |
| 17:15.46 | jbevren | i.e. the messages during boot |
| 17:15.49 | Puff-n-Stuff | sipp... |
| 17:15.58 | Puff-n-Stuff | simms with pins soldered on them. |
| 17:17.03 | jbevren | maybe not |
| 17:17.11 | jbevren | I thought the kernel said something like xxk/yyk free |
| 17:17.17 | prpplague | jbevren: hmm, don't recal ever seeing anything noted the size |
| 17:17.19 | jbevren | where y was total ram and x was unused |
| 17:17.21 | GPSFan_ | jbevren: morning, is it still morning? |
| 17:17.27 | jbevren | gpsfan :) |
| 17:17.30 | Puff-n-Stuff | its ALWAYS morning.. |
| 17:17.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: dip stick? me or is that an app? |
| 17:17.32 | jbevren | barely missed, quarter after noon |
| 17:17.40 | CosmicPenguin | joke |
| 17:17.44 | CosmicPenguin | geez - this is a tough room |
| 17:18.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 17:18.10 | jbevren | CosmicPenguin: ah hahahahaha I get it! |
| 17:18.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ba dum bump |
| 17:18.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 17:19.25 | Puff-n-Stuff | CosmicPenguin, you should try the humor in ##microcontrollers as it tends to be a much more lenient croud... |
| 17:19.27 | Puff-n-Stuff | or more bored. |
| 17:21.55 | prpplague | jbevren: ofcourse we can use xip since storge isn't an issue |
| 17:22.00 | prpplague | jbevren: hmm, yea |
| 17:22.22 | prpplague | i think we can come away with about 3mb free ram |
| 17:22.46 | jbevren | run XIP from a rom on the cartridge slot? |
| 17:22.52 | prpplague | yea |
| 17:22.57 | jbevren | gotcha |
| 17:23.09 | jbevren | that'll limit speed somwhat (arent roms slow?), but should do the job :) |
| 17:23.31 | prpplague | jbevren: shouldn't see too bad of performance |
| 17:23.35 | jbevren | hm |
| 17:24.03 | jbevren | care to link the lcd to the mm page? hehe |
| 17:26.12 | prpplague | hehe yea was gonna just didn't get to it |
| 17:30.15 | jbevren | :) |
| 17:30.20 | jbevren | not to be pushy or anything |
| 17:30.25 | jbevren | I'd jsut forget the page is there |
| 17:30.30 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hhee |
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| 17:38.41 | Puff-n-Stuff | hehe. |
| 17:39.01 | prpplague | i could do it on 2.4 with no problems |
| 17:39.12 | prpplague | question is if i can do it with 2.6 |
| 17:43.12 | jbevren | oop |
| 17:43.14 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:44.13 | CosmicPenguin | its alive!!!! |
| 17:44.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: got your geode booting with linuxbios? |
| 17:44.38 | jbevren | probably |
| 17:44.50 | CosmicPenguin | depends on what you mean by booting |
| 17:45.27 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:48.28 | CosmicPenguin | but it didn't blow up |
| 17:48.45 | jbevren | did it init the console? :D |
| 17:48.58 | CosmicPenguin | the serial console |
| 17:55.46 | jbevren | http://www.instructables.com/ex/i/0E9564B43CE71029AC23001143E7E506/ |
| 18:36.53 | prpplague | jbevren: check this out |
| 18:36.56 | prpplague | # free |
| 18:36.57 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.57 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.57 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.57 | prpplague | Total: 2684 2340 344 |
| 18:37.42 | prpplague | thats a fairly large kernel, but no tcp/ip |
| 18:37.58 | prpplague | i wonder home much more i can free up if i use xip |
| 18:39.13 | jbevren | prpplague: wahts this? |
| 18:39.55 | jbevren | or rather, what's it on |
| 18:39.57 | jbevren | I know what it is :) |
| 18:40.01 | prpplague | s3c2410 |
| 18:40.04 | jbevren | cool |
| 18:40.12 | prpplague | simulating a low rsource |
| 18:40.13 | jbevren | remind me.. jb's cpu? |
| 18:40.21 | prpplague | s3c44b0x |
| 18:40.26 | jbevren | ok |
| 18:52.53 | prpplague | jbevren: hmm, not that much better for what axed |
| 18:52.54 | prpplague | # free |
| 18:52.54 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.54 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.54 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.54 | prpplague | Total: 2948 2460 488 |
| 18:53.16 | jbevren | how much ram is in your emulated environment? |
| 18:53.35 | jbevren | (and kernel binary size while I'm at it) |
| 18:54.08 | prpplague | 4mb |
| 18:54.39 | prpplague | kernel zImage is 528k |
| 18:54.52 | prpplague | testing xipImage now |
| 18:59.29 | prpplague | hmm, kernel booted but didn't mount the rootfs |
| 18:59.39 | prpplague | hung on flash detection |
| 19:03.15 | Puff-n-Stuff | thats what you get when flashing a computer..you should always keep your clothes on so as not to startle the computer into laughter. |
| 19:03.40 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:03.53 | jbevren | clothing generates static electricity |
| 19:03.57 | jbevren | hack safely, go naked |
| 19:04.52 | prpplague | hmm, seems the cfi probe killed the kernel |
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| 20:17.57 | prpplague | sorphin: hey crack baby |
| 20:18.03 | sorphin | prpplague: takes one to know one |
| 20:18.15 | prpplague | sorphin: no i'm a crack whore |
| 20:18.30 | sorphin | true |
| 20:18.35 | sorphin | and an ARM whore |
| 20:19.10 | sorphin | prpplague: 2x model name: AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 248 |
| 20:19.12 | sorphin | :) |
| 20:21.15 | agaffney | afternoon sorphin |
| 20:21.18 | agaffney | long time, no see |
| 20:22.07 | sorphin | indeed |
| 20:22.11 | sorphin | busybusy |
| 20:22.39 | sorphin | mainly logged in to point cosmicAMDmonkey at what our new server has in it |
| 20:23.24 | CosmicPenguin | where have you been? I'm not at AMD any more |
| 20:25.59 | prpplague | sorphin: didn't you hear? he's working for intel now |
| 20:26.37 | agaffney | he's gone to the dark side |
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| 20:48.45 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:49.05 | sorphin | not according to his hostmask :P |
| 20:49.19 | agaffney | damn! |
| 20:50.24 | CosmicPenguin | I left a back door in the proxy when I left |
| 20:50.34 | CosmicPenguin | but at least I made you look.. :) |
| 20:51.18 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:52.32 | sorphin | heh |
| 20:52.45 | sorphin | You're serious? |
| 20:52.47 | sorphin | man |
| 20:52.55 | sorphin | I dunno if I can talk to you now |
| 20:53.00 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:53.28 | prpplague | jbevren: well xip doesn't look to be as good as i had hope'd |
| 20:53.46 | prpplague | jbevren: guess i need to look at how they do some of the small 802.11 ap's |
| 21:06.22 | jbevren | nod |
| 21:17.46 | sorphin | why on earth would he go to Intel |
| 21:18.18 | jbevren | he lives! |
| 21:18.34 | sorphin | which he? |
| 21:18.42 | jbevren | you :D |
| 21:18.48 | sorphin | nah, it's an illusion |
| 21:18.51 | jbevren | oh |
| 21:18.56 | jbevren | animatronics? |
| 21:19.00 | sorphin | someone here has a bad imagination |
| 21:19.29 | jbevren | imaginatronics? |
| 21:20.00 | sorphin | I guess |
| 21:20.22 | sorphin | agaffney: got all sorts of crap in your rack now? |
| 21:21.56 | agaffney | a few things |
| 21:22.17 | agaffney | the Netra, a 16-port d-link switch, and the shelf (which the Octane will end up on) |
| 21:22.28 | agaffney | I still haven't managed to shove it into the corner yet, though |
| 21:22.55 | agaffney | lazy :P |
| 21:23.10 | agaffney | I'd have to move the futon and one of my desks |
| 21:24.05 | sorphin | ah |
| 21:24.07 | sorphin | slacker |
| 21:28.18 | agaffney | yep :P |
| 21:28.32 | agaffney | when I move it into the corner, I won't be able to access it easily |
| 21:45.49 | jbevren | grumble |
| 21:46.01 | jbevren | snapped the touchscreen overlay trying to get the glue on the lcd to come loose |
| 21:46.08 | jbevren | at least the lcd survived I guess |
| 21:53.17 | sorphin | oops |
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| 22:02.23 | CosmicPenguin | poor sorphin |
| 22:02.31 | CosmicPenguin | I wonder how long he'll think I work at Intel |
| 22:02.40 | jbevren | lol |
| 22:02.56 | jbevren | poor me.. I wonder when I'll learn to watch what I'm prying on :( |
| 22:02.56 | jbevren | heh |
| 22:03.12 | jbevren | I guess this is why you always buy doubles :) |
| 22:17.36 | CosmicPenguin | does buildroot grok Alchemy mips? |
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| 23:46.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yes |
| 23:46.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: has a little bitrot but yes |
| 23:46.53 | prpplague | jbevren: you bust your pixter? |
| 23:49.03 | prpplague | joe_bleau: hey whats the word on linux-hacker? |
