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| 01:05.39 | sunrunner20|prom | 1wk 11hrs 36mins 20secs |
| 01:05.42 | sunrunner20|prom | ok |
| 01:05.46 | sunrunner20|prom | sys is seriously messed up |
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| 01:35.00 | joe_bleau | jbevren: try the "endian" command under OCD Commander. |
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| 04:14.03 | jbevren | joe_bleau: aha |
| 04:14.09 | jbevren | joe_bleau: I was unaware of such a command, thanks |
| 04:29.28 | joe_bleau | You know, there *is* a help file... |
| 04:30.35 | joe_bleau | You might also check out the armswrst command |
| 04:49.41 | jbevren | it'd be nice if they'd use a standard helpfile format so it would be possibel to search it :P |
| 04:49.48 | jbevren | that said, thanks :) |
| 05:32.24 | joe_bleau | You might also check and see if there's a watchdog enabled...that can cause all sorts of problems when you halt the CPU |
| 05:36.21 | jbevren | nod |
| 05:36.35 | jbevren | entering debug with the firmware active doesnt actually stop the animation and music loops |
| 05:36.52 | joe_bleau | DMA? |
| 05:37.03 | jbevren | duno |
| 05:37.12 | jbevren | the thign stays active for what I can tell |
| 05:37.28 | jbevren | however, I have the calibrate button shorted so it wont go idle and sleep |
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| 05:37.35 | jbevren | so the display's static |
| 05:37.38 | joe_bleau | On the JB, I could program a DMA driven UART transfer, start it, halt the CPU, and see my terminal scroll for minutes. |
| 05:37.46 | jbevren | anyway, can you clarify the fill command for me? |
| 05:38.18 | joe_bleau | Maybe...lemme bring it up |
| 05:38.19 | jbevren | fill 745648 255 10 1 |
| 05:38.37 | jbevren | 745648 is the framebuffer's base addr |
| 05:38.40 | joe_bleau | Yep. |
| 05:38.50 | jbevren | so that would fill 10 bytes with 255? |
| 05:38.59 | joe_bleau | one byte at a time, yep. |
| 05:39.03 | jbevren | hm |
| 05:41.42 | jbevren | lcd upbase hasnt moved, but I cant change the on-lcd display now |
| 05:41.43 | jbevren | hrm |
| 05:42.46 | jbevren | what's the last parameter? |
| 05:42.52 | joe_bleau | write size |
| 05:42.53 | jbevren | I just guessed at 1 = byte |
| 05:42.56 | joe_bleau | yep. |
| 05:43.02 | jbevren | 2 = 16bit word? |
| 05:43.06 | joe_bleau | Yes. |
| 05:43.10 | jbevren | i.e. n+8 bits |
| 05:43.11 | jbevren | er |
| 05:43.13 | jbevren | n*8 |
| 05:43.20 | joe_bleau | I tried filling 255 to memory on cpu32, but it reads back as 0x55. |
| 05:43.29 | jbevren | hm |
| 05:43.35 | jbevren | well teh data's reading back |
| 05:43.45 | joe_bleau | So, you might want to switch to hex notation... |
| 05:43.50 | jbevren | but the lcd's not updating after I crashed it with a bad fill (I've powercycled and reset ocd) |
| 05:44.08 | joe_bleau | DMA? |
| 05:44.28 | joe_bleau | The JB would continue DMA to the LCD while the CPU was halted, |
| 05:44.37 | jbevren | grr |
| 05:44.38 | joe_bleau | so I could mod memory and see the effects, just as you're trying to do. |
| 05:44.40 | jbevren | naw |
| 05:44.43 | jbevren | ocd's insane |
| 05:44.52 | jbevren | with the pixter off its complaining about a target bus error while init'ing |
| 05:44.54 | joe_bleau | Now, I had tons of problems until I realized that the LCD was reverse endian |
| 05:45.42 | jbevren | I'm using decimal atm because I'm building macros with bash |
| 05:45.51 | jbevren | and its dificult at best to get bash to do math in hex :) |
| 05:46.14 | jbevren | anyway, tahts my current prodding, |
| 05:46.20 | jbevren | figuring out the framebuffer data format |
| 05:46.32 | jbevren | I tried dumping a 1bpp image, but it didnt line up |
| 05:46.53 | joe_bleau | Hey, JB has a series of self test images. That was very helpful to me. |
| 05:46.54 | jbevren | 1bit -> byte is 00 or ff of course |
| 05:46.58 | joe_bleau | Anything similar on Picter MM? |
| 05:47.20 | jbevren | not taht I've found |
| 05:47.33 | jbevren | there's a button in the abck you hold to calibrate teh touch screen |
| 05:47.34 | joe_bleau | Too bad...solid primary colors would be just the ticket. |
| 05:47.42 | jbevren | in that mode it doesnt sleep, so I use taht |
| 05:47.50 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I saw that in the logs. |
| 05:47.51 | jbevren | it has a pair of crosshairs in it |
| 05:48.57 | joe_bleau | Hey, is it a TFT or DSCN panel? |
| 05:49.32 | jbevren | irritating.. this just worked |
| 05:49.33 | jbevren | tft |
| 05:49.41 | jbevren | it has a pair of driver IC's on the glass |
| 05:49.55 | jbevren | and according to PRP's interpretation of teh LCDC's reg's its 160x160 8bit tft |
| 05:50.14 | jbevren | or, at least, the framebuffer is in 8bit mode |
| 05:50.37 | jbevren | I have this macro that writes 255 bytes to the fb from 0 to 255 |
| 05:50.42 | jbevren | it previously had effect but doesnt now |
| 05:50.47 | jbevren | discouraging :) |
| 05:51.52 | joe_bleau | Hmm. |
| 05:52.13 | jbevren | the palette has plenty of colors in it :X |
| 05:52.22 | jbevren | (just checked heh) |
| 05:53.31 | joe_bleau | Have you checked the controller config to see if it's running a larger virtual display space? |
| 05:56.18 | jbevren | ohh |
| 05:56.24 | jbevren | the mode is different |
| 05:56.29 | jbevren | one sec |
| 05:57.09 | jbevren | I think.. |
| 05:57.12 | jbevren | FFFF401C: 00000827 (in calibration mode) |
| 05:59.03 | jbevren | ocd's usability is getting quite discouraging heh |
| 05:59.12 | joe_bleau | Hmm. |
| 05:59.29 | jbevren | Ive managed to freeze it, but its still in debug |
| 05:59.34 | jbevren | mode hasnt chagned. :X |
| 05:59.36 | joe_bleau | Maybe you should be using one of the more popular open source debuggers? |
| 05:59.46 | jbevren | I'm stuck on windows for the moment, so not really |
| 05:59.49 | jbevren | any alts for win? |
| 05:59.54 | joe_bleau | openocd |
| 06:00.06 | joe_bleau | Well, cygwin, anyway. |
| 06:00.27 | jbevren | heh |
| 06:00.39 | jbevren | I have h-jtag but its rather.. vague |
| 06:00.56 | jbevren | it does precisely nothing apparent hehe |
| 06:01.45 | jbevren | halt suddenly works |
| 06:04.07 | jbevren | craziness |
| 06:06.52 | jbevren | can you download binary from ram, or do you have to dump data? |
| 06:07.14 | jbevren | . o O ( save onscreen display ) |
| 06:07.28 | joe_bleau | Hmm. Just closed my windows. Standby. |
| 06:07.45 | jbevren | sory :( |
| 06:07.46 | jbevren | hjeh |
| 06:08.39 | joe_bleau | PC->Target: download. target->PC: sol |
| 06:08.49 | joe_bleau | I knew there was something missing. |
| 06:08.52 | jbevren | sol? |
| 06:09.01 | joe_bleau | You're out of luck. |
| 06:09.04 | jbevren | unknown heh |
| 06:09.06 | jbevren | oh |
| 06:09.07 | jbevren | bah |
| 06:09.08 | jbevren | :D |
| 06:09.14 | jbevren | ok, I'll dump and interpret |
| 06:09.21 | jbevren | the data I'm seeing makes sense |
| 06:09.32 | joe_bleau | Gnerally, I wrote macros to read the registers |
| 06:09.37 | jbevren | nod |
| 06:09.47 | joe_bleau | If I need a big memory dump, I'd just cross compile code and run a program |
| 06:09.59 | joe_bleau | 'course, you have to have working memory and UART to do that. |
| 06:10.28 | jbevren | ok this'll be a while :) |
| 06:10.42 | jbevren | I wont assume the uart's offline |
| 06:10.51 | joe_bleau | Be sure and turn logging on! |
| 06:10.54 | jbevren | but it's not connected, and I'm patient as long as I belive its working |
| 06:11.06 | jbevren | oh, it can log? Ive been scrolling up and copypasting |
| 06:11.18 | joe_bleau | "log on" |
| 06:11.21 | jbevren | nod |
| 06:11.33 | jbevren | I figured. It's dumping atm |
| 06:14.34 | jbevren | I need to just get rid of this wincrap :D |
| 06:15.30 | joe_bleau | Yeah, that's really holding you back |
| 06:15.50 | jbevren | I agree |
| 06:16.07 | jbevren | I have a minimal x86 rootfs on my fileserver, I'll duplicate it and set this up to pxeboot linux |
| 06:16.20 | jbevren | the hdd's nto big enough to hold both, and xilinx wont install on debian |
| 06:16.22 | jbevren | sigh : |
| 06:16.24 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.04 | jbevren | hm.. byte.. word.. can ocd interpret 16bit words from mem? (to dump the palette properly) |
| 06:18.11 | joe_bleau | halfword |
| 06:18.18 | jbevren | cool thanks :) |
| 06:18.36 | joe_bleau | Oh, it's actually "half" |
| 06:20.06 | jbevren | yep. I worked that out |
| 06:20.18 | jbevren | ocd really needs a 'crap stop stop!' button |
| 06:20.21 | jbevren | :) |
| 06:20.40 | joe_bleau | ctrl+shift+escape |
| 06:21.27 | jbevren | hehe no doubt |
| 06:24.01 | jbevren | man this crazy palette data layout |
| 06:26.30 | joe_bleau | Data make any sense? |
| 06:29.20 | jbevren | in hex format yeah |
| 06:30.08 | jbevren | but I'm too tired to work out how to get the palette to do what I want :)( |
| 06:30.56 | joe_bleau | How many bits to the LCD? |
| 06:31.12 | jbevren | bpp you mean? |
| 06:31.20 | joe_bleau | yeah, that too |
| 06:31.26 | jbevren | the control reg says 8bpp |
| 06:31.30 | jbevren | I dont know how th ehardware's hooked up |
| 06:31.53 | jbevren | grumble.. gimp cant save raw files |
| 06:31.56 | joe_bleau | maybe 12 bits? |
| 06:32.08 | jbevren | the lcd controller on this chip is 16bit |
| 06:32.13 | joe_bleau | Oh, ok. |
| 06:32.25 | jbevren | thats not to indicate the lcd has that many bits wired though |
| 06:33.06 | joe_bleau | How many active bits in the pallet entries? |
| 06:33.23 | jbevren | 16 |
| 06:33.24 | jbevren | but its odd |
| 06:33.41 | jbevren | one sec |
| 06:33.48 | jbevren | ok |
| 06:34.00 | jbevren | on page 84 if you have the user's guide |
| 06:34.03 | jbevren | table 4-5 |
| 06:34.14 | joe_bleau | What chip? |
| 06:34.22 | jbevren | lh79524 |
| 06:34.27 | joe_bleau | standby |
| 06:34.33 | jbevren | the link on the wiki was updated today by me |
| 06:34.38 | jbevren | should be able to get the doc easily |
| 06:35.04 | jbevren | anyway, the palette data is 16bits, but they describe 32 bits in this register |
| 06:35.31 | joe_bleau | yeah, I see the table now. |
| 06:38.35 | joe_bleau | Ok, two entries per word. |
| 06:42.38 | jbevren | ah |
| 06:42.46 | jbevren | so it's as simple as I'd thought |
| 06:42.50 | jbevren | confusing docs :) |
| 06:44.11 | joe_bleau | 160 pixels across, right? |
| 06:45.09 | joe_bleau | And 160 pixels vertical |
| 06:45.11 | jbevren | yeah |
| 06:45.13 | jbevren | 160 square |
| 06:50.34 | jbevren | twiddling the background color's palette entry is helpful heh |
| 06:51.46 | joe_bleau | Good. I see it's 160x160, 8bpp, TFT, little endian mode |
| 06:51.48 | jbevren | 0x1f=red |
| 06:52.08 | jbevren | 0x7800=blue |
| 06:53.20 | jbevren | 0x3E0=green |
| 06:53.29 | jbevren | nfi what the intensity bit is for yet |
| 06:54.08 | joe_bleau | table 4-41 |
| 06:54.40 | flyback | you people scare me |
| 06:54.51 | flyback | :P |
| 06:55.18 | jbevren | ahh |
| 06:55.24 | jbevren | not applicable since I'm on a tft |
| 06:55.25 | jbevren | gotcha |
| 06:55.47 | joe_bleau | No, I think it's only applicable for TFT |
| 06:55.56 | jbevren | how if I could just uplaod this binary image to the fbuf I'd be hapy and go to bed |
| 06:55.59 | jbevren | :) |
| 06:56.08 | flyback | am I correct in assuming that all color stn's are not worth even trying to play with |
| 06:56.19 | flyback | unless you have a dedicated controller or device with a controller built in ? |
| 06:56.35 | jbevren | flyback: stn's apparently require fewer control lines |
| 06:56.42 | flyback | oh? |
| 06:56.44 | jbevren | I dont know much about lcd's |
| 06:56.49 | flyback | yeah me too |
| 06:56.52 | jbevren | but iirc prpplague indicated that to me |
| 06:56.58 | flyback | I am trying trying to figure out for future reference |
| 06:57.03 | jbevren | nod |
| 06:57.08 | jbevren | I'm learning scads atm heh |
| 06:57.20 | jbevren | but ocd doesnt like my srec file |
| 06:57.25 | flyback | course I might not be living much longer |
| 06:57.27 | jbevren | it sets the pc to the fbuf like it should |
| 06:57.35 | jbevren | (which tells me the header's right) |
| 06:57.38 | flyback | old professor kinda volunteered me to setup emil server for osmoene |
| 06:57.58 | flyback | and it's been like 10 yrs since I did one and both our isp's block that port so no way to even test thing damn thing unless it's on site |
| 06:58.14 | flyback | not to mention need a damn domain |
| 06:58.35 | flyback | ocd? |
| 06:59.19 | flyback | other reason I asked is my friend runs a computer/electronics recycling dept at a university and banks, etc send all their s*** to them |
| 06:59.28 | flyback | so I am having him keep a lookout for stuff I can use |
| 07:00.39 | jbevren | flyback: ocd = onchip debugger |
| 07:00.46 | jbevren | or in my case, refers to ocd commander |
| 07:01.09 | flyback | in my case, it's a crippling disease they haven't been yet able to nail with meds |
| 07:01.10 | flyback | :P |
| 07:01.20 | joe_bleau | What happened to the s-record download into the framebuffer? |
| 07:01.35 | joe_bleau | (This is almost enough to make me go to Wal*Mart tomorrow...) |
| 07:01.46 | flyback | hah |
| 07:01.52 | flyback | what toy did you find now? |
| 07:02.37 | jbevren | hm |
| 07:02.48 | jbevren | joe_bleau: well |
| 07:02.58 | jbevren | \\Guu\export\archive\download\belle.out: downloaded 69632 bytes in 0 minutes, 6.464 |
| 07:02.58 | jbevren | seconds |
| 07:02.58 | jbevren | Error during download |
| 07:02.59 | jbevren | PC set to starting address 0x00077C8A |
| 07:03.03 | jbevren | the PC is set right |
| 07:03.05 | jbevren | but the fb doesnt change |
| 07:03.11 | jbevren | so I'm wondering |
| 07:03.14 | jbevren | where does the data go lol |
| 07:03.39 | jbevren | srec_cat belle.raw -Binary -Start_Address 0x77c8a > belle.out |
| 07:03.45 | jbevren | this is teh command I use to make the image |
| 07:03.55 | jbevren | belle.raw is a raw 160x160 greyscale image |
| 07:04.16 | jbevren | in an ideal situation, I dump this and generate/upload a greyscale palette |
| 07:04.23 | flyback | remind me sometime guys to explain how all that s-record and image stuff works so I can fix my old pda |
| 07:04.27 | jbevren | or switch the lcdc to greyscale (but I suspect the lcd wont cope) |
| 07:04.33 | flyback | since you appear to understand it |
| 07:04.56 | flyback | i've tried many times to find guides etc but it's all so damn vague |
| 07:06.41 | flyback | oh I finally get it the image stuff is to init the lcd during boot? |
| 07:06.54 | jbevren | sigh |
| 07:06.57 | flyback | ? |
| 07:07.04 | jbevren | its not writing the srec to mem |
| 07:07.24 | flyback | jbevren is this a pixter? |
| 07:07.46 | jbevren | yeah |
| 07:07.51 | jbevren | or the remains of one |
| 07:07.54 | jbevren | I cracked my TS :( |
| 07:07.59 | flyback | TS ? |
| 07:08.04 | jbevren | touchscreen |
| 07:08.09 | flyback | oh :( |
| 07:08.12 | jbevren | nod |
| 07:08.17 | jbevren | the lcd's operational |
| 07:08.20 | jbevren | so I'm ok with it |
| 07:08.21 | flyback | :) |
| 07:08.31 | jbevren | joe_bleau: any clue on what I'm doing wrong? |
| 07:08.53 | flyback | yeah I am like that too, as long as there is some life left in something like that I will put it on life support, rig up car batteries when the internal cells die, etc |
| 07:09.16 | flyback | jbe just a suggestion and I know I am a complete newb whe it comes to coding this low level but |
| 07:09.24 | flyback | ever thing mabye pixter changed it to prevent this? |
| 07:09.32 | jbevren | naw |
| 07:09.38 | jbevren | manual writes to the fb with the 'byte' command work |
| 07:09.45 | flyback | ah ok |
| 07:09.49 | jbevren | I can change individual pixels |
| 07:09.58 | jbevren | and even palette entries (black -> red) |
| 07:10.50 | joe_bleau | isn't there more than one format of s-rec? |
| 07:10.52 | jbevren | joe went to walmart? lol |
| 07:10.58 | jbevren | aha there you are.. hrm |
| 07:11.04 | joe_bleau | Sorry, cat stuff. |
| 07:11.05 | jbevren | I'm using -Motorla for the output format |
| 07:11.11 | flyback | heh |
| 07:11.12 | joe_bleau | Hey, can you send it to me? |
| 07:11.13 | jbevren | np.. do you know which srec format ocd wants? |
| 07:11.17 | jbevren | the srec? |
| 07:11.20 | flyback | my friend's car just died |
| 07:11.27 | joe_bleau | Yep. I'll see what it does on my cpu32 |
| 07:11.28 | flyback | cat |
| 07:11.29 | flyback | not car |
| 07:11.42 | flyback | he was 4 weeks or was it 4 days short of 20 yrs old |
| 07:11.59 | jbevren | incoming dcc send joe |
| 07:12.34 | jbevren | what app do you use to build srec fiels? |
| 07:13.16 | joe_bleau | objcopy |
| 07:13.25 | joe_bleau | Yeah, I only get 4k before it generates an error |
| 07:13.43 | jbevren | yeah I thought of objcopy |
| 07:13.53 | jbevren | got a cmdline I can save for reference? |
| 07:14.14 | jbevren | I know zippo about objcopy hehe |
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| 07:14.39 | joe_bleau | Yeah, but I've got to pull it from a makefile |
| 07:14.55 | jbevren | I'm patient :) |
| 07:15.04 | joe_bleau | objcopy -S -O srec -I binary input_file.bin output_file.mot |
| 07:15.38 | joe_bleau | (Actually, it was h8300-elf-objcopy, but I think you see where we're going) |
| 07:16.01 | joe_bleau | Hey, can you dcc me a raw binary file instead? |
| 07:16.03 | jbevren | hm |
| 07:17.13 | jbevren | hm |
| 07:17.23 | jbevren | still dies with 'error during download' |
| 07:18.47 | joe_bleau | Same here. |
| 07:19.07 | joe_bleau | Does the first 4k make it to the framebuffer? |
| 07:20.18 | jbevren | no change at all |
| 07:20.25 | jbevren | I also tried elf-littlearm output |
| 07:20.33 | jbevren | ocd complains that its not executable |
| 07:20.47 | jbevren | <whine> I just want to upload the image </whine> hehe |
| 07:21.10 | joe_bleau | I'm not sure the s-record is locating the image at the correct location |
| 07:21.10 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.17 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.24 | jbevren | nod |
| 07:21.25 | joe_bleau | Yeah, but set start may only set the initial PC |
| 07:21.35 | jbevren | hm |
| 07:21.36 | jbevren | oh |
| 07:21.41 | jbevren | try the offset switch? |
| 07:22.06 | jbevren | oh, no offset for objcoyp |
| 07:22.14 | jbevren | I use --set-start of course |
| 07:23.20 | joe_bleau | --change-addreses? |
| 07:23.24 | jbevren | hm |
| 07:23.45 | joe_bleau | worked for me! (I went to 0x100000) |
| 07:23.49 | jbevren | worth a try |
| 07:23.52 | jbevren | k |
| 07:24.07 | joe_bleau | objcopy --change-address 0x100000 -S -O srec -I binary belle.raw belle.s19 |
| 07:25.02 | jbevren | nod |
| 07:25.16 | jbevren | not as much luck here |
| 07:25.21 | joe_bleau | 'course, I don't have a graphic LCD... |
| 07:25.29 | jbevren | I set start to 0 and change-address to 77c8A |
| 07:25.33 | joe_bleau | What didn't work..the objcopy, or the download |
| 07:25.39 | joe_bleau | forget set start |
| 07:26.04 | jbevren | error during download, memory not changed |
| 07:26.14 | jbevren | objcopy --change-address 0x00077C8A -S -O srec -I binary belle.raw belle.out |
| 07:27.32 | jbevren | did you try sending something? |
| 07:27.45 | joe_bleau | Yeah, but I don't know if it'll go through my firewall |
| 07:27.50 | jbevren | -:- DCC Priveleged port attempt [0] |
| 07:27.54 | jbevren | apparently not :) |
| 07:28.30 | flyback | excuse me for one min gentleman |
| 07:28.37 | jbevren | sure |
| 07:28.45 | jbevren | I may concede for the night in a few |
| 07:28.45 | flyback | I have to finish beating and abusing someone on irc for buying a $30 500 watt psu |
| 07:28.46 | jbevren | hehe |
| 07:28.48 | flyback | ;) |
| 07:29.00 | flyback | people buy these cheap shits and wonder why the system burns |
| 07:29.00 | jbevren | flyback: 500W peak for 2ns right? |
| 07:29.06 | jbevren | tell them |
| 07:29.06 | flyback | yeah probably |
| 07:29.09 | jbevren | You get what you pay for |
| 07:29.13 | flyback | I know |
| 07:29.19 | flyback | you can get a cheap psu that is decent quality |
| 07:29.22 | flyback | but $30 for 500 watt? |
| 07:29.23 | jbevren | anyway, back on track |
| 07:29.25 | jbevren | Oh, |
| 07:29.25 | flyback | uh no |
| 07:29.29 | jbevren | and you dont need a 500w psu |
| 07:29.33 | jbevren | I have: |
| 07:29.48 | flyback | antec and fsp/sparkle are my favorite 2 |
| 07:29.48 | jbevren | 2G ddr333, dual geforce6600GT, amd64 3200+, 4 hdd's, mb |
| 07:29.50 | jbevren | 380w |
| 07:29.54 | jbevren | psu does juuuust fine |
| 07:30.09 | flyback | I can't get my new sempron 3100+ to run right, I am about to take a bridge |
| 07:30.31 | flyback | thing is, it's only winamp that is giving me problems but someone said it's trigger a hw fault |
| 07:30.33 | flyback | so :. |
| 07:30.42 | jbevren | joe_bleau: sadly, same situation |
| 07:30.48 | joe_bleau | Shoot. |
| 07:30.55 | jbevren | I suspect I'm somehow misusing ocd commander |
| 07:30.57 | flyback | jbe what brand do you have |
| 07:30.58 | flyback | psu |
| 07:31.03 | jbevren | antec |
| 07:31.07 | joe_bleau | Worked for me at 0x100000 on cpu32. |
| 07:31.07 | jbevren | as included with the antec sonata case |
| 07:31.29 | jbevren | 00077C8A: 00 00 0C 0C 0C 0C 0C 00 00 00 (no change) |
| 07:31.45 | jbevren | the 0C's are those I inserted to find the first pixel of the lcd |
| 07:31.54 | flyback | antec is good :) |
| 07:32.03 | jbevren | flybackX: and reasonably priced |
| 07:32.07 | flyback | only concern I have about antec is the same I have for fsp/sparkle |
| 07:32.08 | joe_bleau | Weird |
| 07:32.12 | flyback | they both got beat by bad batches of caps |
| 07:32.13 | jbevren | joe_bleau: indeed |
| 07:32.20 | jbevren | joe_bleau: wonder why it errors out :( |
| 07:32.29 | jbevren | does yorus download completely? |
| 07:32.41 | joe_bleau | Yep, and the data looks good |
| 07:32.43 | jbevren | (I'm wondering if ocd is checking before uploadign to the device) |
| 07:33.03 | jbevren | You are using version 2.4.9 of the OCD Commander. (my version) |
| 07:33.14 | joe_bleau | 2.4.6, actually |
| 07:33.15 | jbevren | hm |
| 07:33.18 | jbevren | let me drop my speed |
| 07:33.20 | jbevren | 1sec |
| 07:33.39 | jbevren | ffs |
| 07:33.44 | jbevren | again |
| 07:33.51 | joe_bleau | Even if the speed was too fast, I would expect at least some data to get across |
| 07:34.50 | joe_bleau | Hey, truncate the file and see if you can download just the first few hundred bytes. |
| 07:35.26 | joe_bleau | (Trunc the s-record file) |
| 07:36.17 | jbevren | \\Guu\export\archive\download\belle.out: downloaded 12 bytes in 0 minutes, 0.50 |
| 07:36.17 | jbevren | seconds |
| 07:36.17 | jbevren | Error during download |
| 07:36.19 | jbevren | grr |
| 07:36.28 | jbevren | I truncated the binary |
| 07:36.31 | jbevren | (dd rocks) |
| 07:36.41 | jbevren | this is also from 380khz to 80khz |
| 07:37.15 | joe_bleau | Hmm, should have been 16 bytes |
| 07:37.17 | jbevren | same at 4khz |
| 07:37.24 | joe_bleau | That's really slow, too. |
| 07:37.25 | jbevren | dd if=belle.raw of=belle.raw.test bs=10 count=1 |
| 07:37.30 | jbevren | objcopy --change-address 0x00077C8A -O srec -I binary belle.raw.test belle.out |
| 07:37.37 | jbevren | it's a good test (4khz) for sanity |
| 07:37.45 | joe_bleau | Oh, I'm truncating the s-rec file, not the binary |
| 07:37.48 | jbevren | oh |
| 07:38.01 | jbevren | the start address is at the end tho :) |
| 07:38.01 | joe_bleau | Just to break any lines in the s-rec |
| 07:38.11 | jbevren | OH |
| 07:38.13 | jbevren | wait. |
| 07:38.15 | joe_bleau | doesn't matter, the load address is at the start of each line |
| 07:38.16 | jbevren | crlf? |
| 07:38.21 | jbevren | you think? :X |
| 07:38.23 | joe_bleau | dunno |
| 07:38.26 | jbevren | hm |
| 07:38.46 | joe_bleau | Hey, could be. Your file was unix, mine was dos. |
| 07:38.53 | joe_bleau | Lemme convert to unix and see what happens |
| 07:39.10 | jbevren | nope |
| 07:39.22 | jbevren | todos < belle.out > belle.s19 |
| 07:39.26 | jbevren | cant upload belle.s19 |
| 07:40.00 | jbevren | gonna give up at 3 heh |
| 07:40.04 | jbevren | 2:40 now |
| 07:40.09 | jbevren | I need to be up at 8 :P |
| 07:40.16 | joe_bleau | belle.s19: downloaded 76804 bytes in 0 minutes, 7.923 seconds |
| 07:40.23 | joe_bleau | not a cr/lf bug |
| 07:40.31 | jbevren | so its my version fo ocd |
| 07:40.43 | jbevren | grumble |
| 07:40.46 | joe_bleau | I should have the latest...maybe I have multiple copies. |
| 07:41.57 | joe_bleau | Oh, I remember how to dump memory. |
| 07:42.10 | joe_bleau | GPSFan turned me on to the demo of the flash programming tool. |
| 07:42.21 | joe_bleau | You can upload flash from target to pc with the demo |
| 07:42.45 | joe_bleau | I must have grabbed the latest OCD Commander at the same time, but never installed it. |
| 07:42.53 | joe_bleau | Can't do it now; it'll force a reboot. |
| 07:43.00 | jbevren | naw |
| 07:43.03 | jbevren | we'll argue with it later |
| 07:43.06 | jbevren | I need sleep heh |
| 07:43.11 | jbevren | overall, it was educational anyway |
| 07:43.23 | joe_bleau | No traction, lots of wheelspin |
| 07:43.26 | jbevren | thanks for the help :) |
| 07:43.36 | joe_bleau | Not sure it was |
| 07:43.40 | jbevren | it was |
| 07:43.45 | jbevren | learned some ocd commands |
| 07:43.48 | jbevren | and a handy objcopy one |
| 07:44.02 | jbevren | I'm going to have to put the pixter on a 5v psu though |
| 07:44.04 | joe_bleau | not bad for a win-weenie, huh? |
| 07:44.08 | jbevren | I think the tbatteries are dying |
| 07:45.27 | jbevren | 4.5v at the posts, 4 AA alkalines (6v) |
| 07:45.32 | jbevren | its a lil flat |
| 07:45.35 | jbevren | anyway |
| 07:45.41 | jbevren | quite useful |
| 07:45.53 | jbevren | very encouraging to see visual effects of ocd's commands |
| 07:46.01 | jbevren | (if even just writes via byte) |
| 07:46.27 | jbevren | (click |
| 07:46.27 | joe_bleau | Well, you've got a new debugger, DIY wiggler, and uncertain target hardware. |
| 07:46.34 | joe_bleau | It's a lot to t-shoot at once. |
| 07:46.55 | jbevren | yep |
| 07:47.09 | joe_bleau | Got any ARM dev boards? |
| 07:47.10 | jbevren | the wiggler needs to be migrated from a protoboard to some perfboard for permanency |
| 07:47.13 | jbevren | I have none |
| 07:47.19 | jbevren | my first arm target was the zipit |
| 07:47.36 | jbevren | but that was just step-following to get zipitpet's kernel on |
| 07:47.39 | joe_bleau | Be nice to have a solid wiggler or solid target to test against to narrow things down |
| 07:47.53 | jbevren | honestly, I dobut its the hardware |
| 07:48.10 | jbevren | ocd's pretty poorly written |
| 07:48.14 | jbevren | on that note |
| 07:48.20 | joe_bleau | later |
| 07:48.20 | jbevren | it's certinaly bedtime :) |
| 07:48.31 | jbevren | thanks again, I'm sure dave'll enjoy reading the logs |
| 07:48.39 | jbevren | (waves at dave) |
| 07:48.42 | joe_bleau | why? |
| 07:48.43 | jbevren | shame he's not here to log it |
| 07:48.51 | joe_bleau | has he even got a pixter mm? |
| 07:48.57 | jbevren | cause ive been keeping ahead of him on the project |
| 07:48.58 | joe_bleau | I thought it was still in customs. |
| 07:49.00 | jbevren | yep. he got 2 |
| 07:49.05 | jbevren | the first 2 were lost in customs |
| 07:49.11 | joe_bleau | But he's not done anything with 'em, right? |
| 07:49.13 | jbevren | so he ordered two more and got em |
| 07:49.19 | jbevren | not really |
| 07:49.23 | jbevren | busy life etc I guess |
| 07:49.31 | joe_bleau | Looks like his only updates to the wiki are spelling corrections |
| 07:49.39 | jbevren | so here I am, stumbling int he dark while leading the information gathering :) |
| 07:49.42 | joe_bleau | Gee, I hope he reads this. |
| 07:49.51 | joe_bleau | Wait, it'll be tomorrow evening before the logs are up. |
| 07:50.00 | jbevren | he created the lcd page, but got the register settings from me |
| 07:50.02 | joe_bleau | Shoot, wasted effort trying to get him worked up. |
| 07:50.09 | jbevren | where do the logs go? |
| 07:50.19 | joe_bleau | I'll have to stop in and punch his buttons tomorrow |
| 07:50.29 | joe_bleau | Uh, riker's site, I think? |
| 07:50.34 | jbevren | url? :) |
| 07:50.40 | joe_bleau | standby |
| 07:50.53 | joe_bleau | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23edev/ |
| 07:51.49 | jbevren | again, ciao |
| 07:51.51 | jbevren | (click) |
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| 08:49.45 | oink | Hello, has anyone here ever worked with broadcom SoC ? |
| 08:50.00 | flybackX | you might want to try #openwrt also |
| 08:50.58 | oink | Uhm, in fact my question isn't related to broadcom at all ;-) |
| 08:51.29 | oink | I'd like to know if the process of building some board based on broadcom (or any other Linux SoC) is complicated or not. |
| 08:51.50 | flybackX | dunno |
| 08:51.55 | oink | I know this is a vague question, but I don't want to get discouraged ;-) |
| 08:51.57 | flybackX | I guess it would depend on the requirements of the pcb |
| 08:52.10 | flybackX | signal integrity, if it needs 6 layer boards etc |
| 08:52.27 | oink | Actually, my WRT doesn't has much in it. BCM SoC / DRAM / Flash. |
| 08:56.08 | oink | 6 layers is a lot ;-) |
| 09:08.59 | flybackX | goodnight |
| 09:09.51 | oink | Good night |
| 09:12.09 | flybackX | feel free to idle here any time |
| 09:13.37 | oink | No problems |
| 09:13.43 | oink | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.53 | oink | I'm already idling in 236 chans, one more.. one less ;-) |
| 11:27.12 | oink | Anyone knows of a broadcom adsl evaluation board ? |
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| 20:58.17 | Puff-afk-nap | <8trac> Is it my fault if I think humanity is best seen through a sniper scope? |
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| 21:04.53 | tom61 | hello |
| 21:05.31 | Puff-n-Stuff | hi tom61 |
| 21:06.29 | tom61 | Happen to know what happened to linux-hacker.net? |
| 21:07.18 | tom61 | and if it's going to be back? |
| 21:07.44 | Puff-n-Stuff | no idea. |
| 21:07.55 | Puff-n-Stuff | have seen it mentioned here...but don't remember why it died.. |
| 21:08.13 | tom61 | you ever go there? |
| 21:08.17 | Puff-n-Stuff | nope |
| 21:09.02 | tom61 | Know of any archiving sites other than archive.org and Google's cache, that index sites on their own? |
| 21:09.16 | Puff-n-Stuff | not I. |
| 21:09.48 | Puff-n-Stuff | what was linux-hacker.net anyhow? |
| 21:10.04 | flybackX | I am so close to burning my republican voter card and voting for al quida party next us election it's not even funny |
| 21:10.11 | tom61 | Basically the same as this channel, except a forum |
| 21:10.15 | flybackX | it was basically this channel in a forum |
| 21:10.16 | flybackX | hah |
| 21:10.20 | Puff-n-Stuff | oh..ok. |
| 21:10.29 | tom61 | I rather liked it |
| 21:11.02 | Puff-n-Stuff | I don't do forums if I can help it. |
| 21:11.59 | flybackX | I don't like posting in forums I prefer realtime |
| 21:12.01 | tom61 | Teamhackaday (an offshoot of Hack-A-Day) offered to host the forum, if an archive and permission was given |
| 21:12.03 | flybackX | but I lik ereading them |
| 21:12.31 | tom61 | My realtime doesn't intersect to many other's |
| 21:13.08 | Puff-n-Stuff | Im online 24/7 so mine intersects with most people's |
| 21:13.15 | tom61 | ah |
| 21:13.23 | Puff-n-Stuff | problem is Im not always awake when Im online.. |
| 21:13.37 | Puff-n-Stuff | but scrollback is a wonderful thing. |
| 21:15.13 | tom61 | Anybody palying around with Pontis MX2020? |
| 21:15.20 | tom61 | *playing |
| 21:18.30 | Puff-n-Stuff | not I. |
| 21:18.37 | Puff-n-Stuff | mostly atmel AVR stuff here |
| 21:20.43 | tom61 | any ideas on implementing USB *host* on a AVR? |
| 21:21.14 | MonMotha | tom61: aren't there SPI USB host chips? |
| 21:21.48 | tom61 | probably |
| 21:22.13 | tom61 | but, I'd need a how-to guide to implement that |
| 21:22.29 | MonMotha | well, use an AVR with SPI, of course |
| 21:22.34 | MonMotha | then it's just a matter of talking to said chip |
| 21:22.56 | tom61 | exactly... no clue how to do that:( |
| 21:23.06 | MonMotha | well, it dependso n the chip. That's why you use the datasheet :) |
| 21:23.11 | tom61 | ah |
| 21:23.44 | tom61 | Actually, I'm looking for something like an Arm7 SoC with it built-in |
| 21:23.57 | MonMotha | oh, ok |
| 21:24.00 | MonMotha | you specified AVR :) |
| 21:24.03 | tom61 | know of any that are hobbyist friendly? |
| 21:24.09 | MonMotha | yeah, Philips has one |
| 21:24.13 | tom61 | I know, I was sorta making conversation |
| 21:24.15 | MonMotha | dunno if it has USB host, though |
| 21:24.35 | tom61 | and I had heard from a forum that it had been done on a AVR |
| 21:24.40 | Puff-n-Stuff | tom61, implementing usb host on an avr is next to impossible. |
| 21:24.41 | Puff-n-Stuff | however |
| 21:24.54 | Puff-n-Stuff | there are a couple of new avr chips that have usb-otg...pseudo-host |
| 21:25.12 | Puff-n-Stuff | bitbanging usb host is one of those nearly impossible tasks.. |
| 21:25.22 | Puff-n-Stuff | there are several bitbanged usb slave implementations on avr though. |
| 21:25.33 | tom61 | really? how would the drivers work on a AVR type-uC |
| 21:25.48 | Puff-n-Stuff | thats the problem with doing a usb host. |
| 21:25.57 | MonMotha | that's true, you do have OTG |
| 21:26.00 | flybackX | but they make usb to serial bridges |
| 21:26.01 | flybackX | etc |
| 21:26.08 | flybackX | and also you can get mcu's with usb on them |
| 21:26.10 | Puff-n-Stuff | usb to serial bridge is usb slave.. |
| 21:26.18 | Puff-n-Stuff | not usb host. |
| 21:26.21 | flybackX | some things are just not worth trying to reinvert |
| 21:26.25 | flybackX | no puff they have a host too |
| 21:26.34 | Puff-n-Stuff | is it host or just otg? |
| 21:26.41 | flybackX | I didn't believe it either |
| 21:26.42 | flybackX | i was like wtf |
| 21:26.42 | flybackX | not sure lemme check |
| 21:26.42 | tom61 | oh yeah, that makes since, a simple USB host that just back-translates serial might not be too hard |
| 21:27.06 | MonMotha | I didn't know they had serial<->host chips |
| 21:27.17 | Puff-n-Stuff | no such thing as simple usb host....because you have to both implement the host protocol plus the driver for whatever slave you connect to it. |
| 21:27.36 | tom61 | I've seen some PDA cell phone docks that could take USb from a cell phone and connect it to a PDA without USB host |
| 21:28.08 | MonMotha | what the hell is up with philips's website? |
| 21:28.17 | MonMotha | you paste in a part number and get tons of totally unrelated stuff |
| 21:28.22 | Puff-n-Stuff | http://atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc7593.pdf this is the latest avr usb chips. |
| 21:28.24 | MonMotha | probably things marketing is trying to push |
| 21:28.29 | Puff-n-Stuff | have some of them and planning on working with them soon. |
| 21:28.32 | Puff-n-Stuff | maybe this weekend. |
| 21:28.38 | Puff-n-Stuff | tom61, thats usb-OTG |
| 21:28.52 | flybackX | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=718 |
| 21:29.24 | MonMotha | tom61: are you wanting to run linux on it? |
| 21:29.30 | MonMotha | (well, uClinux)? |
| 21:29.36 | Puff-n-Stuff | flyback, thats usb client..not host. |
| 21:29.50 | MonMotha | slave and host are NOT interchangable with USB |
| 21:29.52 | MonMotha | thanks to Intel |
| 21:29.54 | tom61 | Yes, as that's within my abilities |
| 21:30.05 | MonMotha | if you want stuff that's completely peer-peer, you need IEEE1394 |
| 21:30.11 | flybackX | puff I know they have something that you can drive usb devices from a serial port |
| 21:30.21 | flybackX | I am not talking about usb to serial adaptors so you can use rs232 devices |
| 21:30.24 | Puff-n-Stuff | usb-OTG is peer to peer. |
| 21:30.29 | MonMotha | tom61: Philips LPC2131 (IIRC supports uClinux) with a Cypress SL811HS (suppored by linux) |
| 21:30.34 | MonMotha | Puff-n-Stuff: yes, but it's a hack |
| 21:30.39 | MonMotha | it works, at least |
| 21:30.43 | Puff-n-Stuff | ayup. |
| 21:30.43 | MonMotha | the original spec was very host/slave based |
| 21:30.51 | Puff-n-Stuff | yes..have read it..several times. |
| 21:31.10 | Puff-n-Stuff | tried to do my own usb slave bitbang on avr at one time. |
| 21:31.13 | Puff-n-Stuff | then found igorUSB and decided not to reinvent the wheel. |
| 21:31.28 | flybackX | ooo that Philips LPC2131 looks cool |
| 21:31.30 | tom61 | what's igor? |
| 21:31.35 | flybackX | yo puff |
| 21:31.37 | flybackX | do you have a juicebox |
| 21:31.47 | Puff-n-Stuff | igor is the name of the guy who wrote igorUSB...bitbang usb slave on atmega8.. |
| 21:31.49 | Puff-n-Stuff | nope.. |
| 21:31.54 | flybackX | you should get one |
| 21:31.57 | flybackX | they are like $10 now |
| 21:32.07 | Puff-n-Stuff | no need for one yet. |
| 21:32.09 | MonMotha | ah yes, why the hell would one bit bang USB on an AVR? |
| 21:32.09 | tom61 | Actually, I have several |
| 21:32.17 | MonMotha | I guess maybe back then, but now there's absolutely no reason |
| 21:32.20 | flybackX | 6 are 8 meg models :) |
| 21:32.25 | Puff-n-Stuff | MonMotha, to have a usb implementation on a DIP package.. |
| 21:32.45 | MonMotha | Puff-n-Stuff: I guess...just chuck the SO 8051 USB device from them on an adapter |
| 21:32.50 | MonMotha | it's not an AVR, I guess |
| 21:32.56 | Puff-n-Stuff | that too. |
| 21:33.01 | flybackX | 8051 is like 90% popular on usb flash drives etc |
| 21:33.02 | Puff-n-Stuff | I do 99% AVR here.. |
| 21:33.05 | MonMotha | I really only deal with DIP these days when I can't program it in system |
| 21:33.07 | flybackX | it seems to be good for control stuff |
| 21:33.11 | MonMotha | flyback: it is |
| 21:33.20 | MonMotha | I'm an 8051 guru personally :) |
| 21:33.27 | Puff-n-Stuff | 8051 is kewl..I have some ds89c450 chips here that rock. |
| 21:33.28 | flybackX | yeah I like it too even though I never worked with one |
| 21:33.33 | flybackX | just from all the stuff I seen still supporting it |
| 21:33.38 | MonMotha | the modern ones with dual data pointers and autopointers can move data around suprisingly fast, too |
| 21:33.44 | flybackX | cool |
| 21:33.49 | Puff-n-Stuff | yes they can. |
| 21:34.00 | flybackX | in fact |
| 21:34.03 | flybackX | it's so popular |
| 21:34.09 | flybackX | some fpga company |
| 21:34.13 | Puff-n-Stuff | 8051 core is the most popular on the market... |
| 21:34.19 | flybackX | offers a soft core (might be hard) on their fpga |
| 21:34.23 | flybackX | cause their customers kept asking |
| 21:34.24 | MonMotha | the instruction set is insanely simple, too |
| 21:34.39 | Puff-n-Stuff | opencores.org or something like that...has several 8051 fpga cores. |
| 21:34.39 | flybackX | you know intel just discontinued them |
| 21:34.46 | flybackX | but no one uses intel parts anymore anyways |
| 21:34.55 | flybackX | it's just kinda still a sad moment |
| 21:34.58 | flybackX | since intel invented the 8051 |
| 21:35.19 | Puff-n-Stuff | some others are much faster than the intel core.. |
| 21:35.23 | flybackX | yeah I know |
| 21:35.32 | flybackX | intel parts are beaten down so bad |
| 21:35.41 | Puff-n-Stuff | these ds89c450 chips can run to 32mhz at nearly 32mips.. |
| 21:35.43 | flybackX | by dallas, st, cygnal, philips |
| 21:35.44 | MonMotha | Atmel has single cycle 8051s |
| 21:35.49 | flybackX | atmel too |
| 21:35.52 | MonMotha | up to like 25MHz, I think |
| 21:36.00 | MonMotha | freaking pipelined microcontrollers :) |
| 21:36.05 | flybackX | cygnal had a 25 mips one the size of a grain of rice |
| 21:36.08 | Puff-n-Stuff | the dallas 8051 chips are faster than the atmel ones I think. |
| 21:36.25 | MonMotha | wouldn't surprise me. They're also more expensive |
| 21:36.33 | Puff-n-Stuff | didnt cost me anything. |
| 21:36.36 | MonMotha | lots of peripheral options, too |
| 21:36.41 | Puff-n-Stuff | free samples doncha know. |
| 21:36.44 | MonMotha | well I don't pay for my Maxim/Dallas or Atmel parts, either |
| 21:36.44 | flybackX | you know some company is offering a mcu now |
| 21:36.46 | flybackX | with fram on it |
| 21:36.50 | flybackX | unlimited writes |
| 21:36.56 | flybackX | it might have been a 8051 core |
| 21:36.58 | MonMotha | but it's important when you're going to production |
| 21:37.05 | Puff-n-Stuff | am waiting for the full release of the AVR32 chips now. |
| 21:37.17 | Puff-n-Stuff | price is why I go with AVR chips generally. |
| 21:37.18 | flybackX | uhh why bother making avr 32 bit |
| 21:37.23 | flybackX | when they have cheap arms |
| 21:37.25 | Puff-n-Stuff | flyback, read the page on it. |
| 21:37.41 | Puff-n-Stuff | an impressive chip |
| 21:37.44 | flybackX | oh the avr+dsp one |
| 21:37.45 | Puff-n-Stuff | designed to run linux. |
| 21:37.45 | flybackX | cool |
| 21:37.47 | MonMotha | AVR is a very inexpensive arch for the performance, that's for sure |
| 21:37.59 | flybackX | err wait |
| 21:38.01 | Puff-n-Stuff | the instruction set is designed with C in mind. |
| 21:38.03 | flybackX | this is a ttotally different chip |
| 21:38.10 | Puff-n-Stuff | yes. |
| 21:38.20 | Puff-n-Stuff | supposed to release this summer from what Im being told. |
| 21:38.30 | Puff-n-Stuff | gonna be a 256cbga package though. |
| 21:38.39 | flybackX | ick |
| 21:38.42 | flybackX | canucked |
| 21:38.44 | Puff-n-Stuff | but I have found a company that makes a board that allows cbga to be hand soldered. |
| 21:38.52 | flybackX | mabye sparkfun will put out a breakout board |
| 21:39.02 | MonMotha | they have one for that philips chip, I believe |
| 21:39.22 | MonMotha | I can't solder BGAs though...anything just about up to that |
| 21:39.35 | Puff-n-Stuff | http://www.schmartboard.com/index.asp?page=products_bga |
| 21:39.41 | flybackX | I am trying to teach my friend how to rapid fire remove bios chips from boards he tosses on his recycling job |
| 21:39.43 | Puff-n-Stuff | MonMotha, with those boards you can. |
| 21:39.49 | flybackX | so I have a endless supply of nor flash |
| 21:39.51 | flybackX | for projects |
| 21:40.06 | Puff-n-Stuff | apparently the pads for the contacts on the cbga chip are implemented as vias.. |
| 21:40.12 | Puff-n-Stuff | you just solder through from the underside. |
| 21:41.17 | Puff-n-Stuff | I just got some of their QFP boards for work with these usbAVR chips...solder on the pads already...with raised soldermask between the pads..the chip sets in place nicely and doesnt slide around... |
| 21:41.43 | Puff-n-Stuff | you set the chip in place and heat the pads one at a time to wick the solder up under the contacts. |
| 21:41.58 | Puff-n-Stuff | just need a fine tip iron. |
| 21:42.06 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 21:42.10 | tom61 | neat |
| 21:42.23 | flybackX | heh I can't even solder smt |
| 21:42.25 | flybackX | my hands shake |
| 21:42.34 | flybackX | someday I will think of a slick solution |
| 21:42.35 | Puff-n-Stuff | flyback, with these boards you could I bet.. |
| 21:42.53 | Puff-n-Stuff | slick solution...try sparkfun.com for their toaster oven method...or even the electric skillet. |
| 21:43.20 | flybackX | yeah but that only works if you are doing a nakked board |
| 21:43.23 | Puff-n-Stuff | the qfp boards from schmartboard.com are about 10USD each...the bga boards are gonna be like 45 to 50.. |
| 21:43.36 | MonMotha | $10 isn't bad |
| 21:43.40 | Puff-n-Stuff | no it isnt. |
| 21:44.04 | Puff-n-Stuff | they are supposed to be releasing those bga boards this summer too...hopefully bout the same time as the avr32. |
| 21:44.22 | Puff-n-Stuff | and my rep has already gotten me on the list for early release of avr32.. |
| 21:44.40 | flybackX | wow that avr32 looks wicked |
| 21:44.54 | Puff-n-Stuff | flyback, yea...have been drooling over it for months myself.. |
| 21:45.04 | Puff-n-Stuff | me and the entire ##micrcontrollers gang. |
| 21:45.31 | Puff-n-Stuff | it even has a jvm in hardware... |
| 21:45.45 | Puff-n-Stuff | which runs async to the processor core. |
| 21:45.57 | tom61 | Java Virutal MAchine? |
| 21:46.00 | Puff-n-Stuff | yes. |
| 21:46.08 | tom61 | in... hardware? |
| 21:46.12 | tom61 | linky? |
| 21:46.17 | Puff-n-Stuff | actually a bytecode interpreter. |
| 21:46.25 | Puff-n-Stuff | but effectively a jvm.. |
| 21:46.46 | Puff-n-Stuff | http://atmel.com/products/avr32/ |
| 21:46.47 | flybackX | if it has good linux support |
| 21:46.49 | flybackX | other os support |
| 21:46.51 | flybackX | good coding support |
| 21:46.55 | flybackX | it might be a winner |
| 21:47.11 | flybackX | it looks like a blackfin clone |
| 21:47.13 | Puff-n-Stuff | gcc is already ported to it. |
| 21:47.26 | Puff-n-Stuff | flyback, it was designed to run linux. |
| 21:47.28 | tom61 | To the DSP? |
| 21:47.53 | Puff-n-Stuff | http://atmel.com/products/avr32/overview/overview4.asp |
| 21:48.16 | flybackX | I still have a webpal and 6 juiceboxes waiting for arm-linux to be loaded on them |
| 21:48.22 | flybackX | but they requiring soldering hackery |
| 21:48.34 | flybackX | also tryign to run the linux port for palm t5 pda but it doesn't work for me :( |
| 21:48.50 | Puff-n-Stuff | implements the SIMD dsp commands |
| 21:48.56 | flybackX | i'm hoping when I start zoloft or whatever they want to try |
| 21:49.11 | flybackX | it rapes the ocd enough I can actually finally start some projects |
| 21:49.15 | flybackX | instead of just dreaming about them |
| 21:49.46 | flybackX | I was pleased to see the SD board finally released info |
| 21:49.52 | flybackX | it's not everything btu at least we can limp around |
| 21:50.26 | flybackX | the arm7tdmi seems to be the "dragonball" of the arm world |
| 21:50.57 | flybackX | quick question |
| 21:51.02 | flybackX | opinions on lead-free |
| 21:51.13 | flybackX | you think it's going to work out or we goign to be plagued with failures? |
| 21:51.24 | Puff-n-Stuff | its working for me. |
| 21:51.41 | MonMotha | it tends to be harder to hand-solder |
| 21:51.45 | Puff-n-Stuff | i have several pounds of nice lead solder stored away. |
| 21:51.48 | MonMotha | but otherwise it seems to work fine |
| 21:51.50 | flybackX | this could be a good thing in the long run since lead is full of resistance |
| 21:52.16 | flybackX | I dunno how the new formulas compare though |
| 21:52.28 | Puff-n-Stuff | they tend to be a bit more brittle in my experience. |
| 21:52.38 | Puff-n-Stuff | need a little more heat. |
| 21:53.00 | MonMotha | yup |
| 21:58.46 | tom61 | anybody know of any forums that are still active for this type of thing |
| 21:58.56 | tom61 | like linux-hacker was |
| 22:02.18 | tom61 | ? |
| 22:02.31 | Puff-n-Stuff | not I. |
| 22:02.59 | tom61 | does prpplague come here often? |
| 22:03.15 | Puff-n-Stuff | whenever he is online.. |
| 22:03.23 | MonMotha | he shows up occasioanally |
| 22:03.28 | tom61 | ah |
| 22:03.30 | Puff-n-Stuff | Im here to help support his channel like he supports mine.. |
| 22:03.53 | flybackX | yes he's here all the time |
| 22:04.48 | tom61 | I was trying to get in touch with him, as he was fairly active on LInux-hacker |
| 22:06.45 | tom61 | Anyways, BBL |
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