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| 00:19.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you see intel is putting xscale up for sale? |
| 00:19.30 | CosmicPenguin | heh - no |
| 00:21.05 | CosmicPenguin | that make sense though - thats the same thing we are doing |
| 00:21.17 | CosmicPenguin | or at least, what we have been doing |
| 00:21.26 | CosmicPenguin | getting rid of southbridges, etc |
| 00:21.53 | flybackX | amd? |
| 00:48.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea seems there is a trend |
| 00:48.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: intel is also considering dumping their flash division |
| 00:48.38 | flybackX | yeah |
| 00:48.44 | flybackX | amd is screwed it looks like too |
| 00:48.51 | flybackX | core duel rapes it |
| 00:49.36 | MonMotha | Intel is currently ahead of AMD in terms of release schedule by a bit |
| 00:49.45 | MonMotha | when the hammers came out, AMD was a bit ahead of Intel |
| 00:49.48 | MonMotha | it happens |
| 00:49.55 | prpplague | yep |
| 00:50.09 | MonMotha | it's mostly release schedules. The two companies seem to be neck-to-neck in terms of R&D, following different paths of course |
| 00:50.10 | prpplague | just seems to be alot more money in x86 |
| 00:50.12 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: flash is an anchor - its a brutal market |
| 00:50.25 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: no kidding |
| 00:50.31 | MonMotha | and Samsung has what % of the market? |
| 00:50.33 | CosmicPenguin | Its like GPUs - everybody wants paper thin margins and super max performance |
| 00:50.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, very low margins |
| 00:50.56 | flybackX | does this mean flash is doomed? |
| 00:51.01 | flybackX | or just cpu makers should stay out of it |
| 00:51.24 | MonMotha | it means that flash is currently so competitive that it's hard to make money when you aren't Samsung |
| 00:51.26 | prpplague | just means companies should stick close to what they do best |
| 00:51.31 | MonMotha | yup |
| 00:51.59 | MonMotha | flash won't go away until other NV technologies start taking off |
| 00:52.11 | flybackX | you know that GESTAPObus revoked samsung's licence to make ddr and sdram |
| 00:52.28 | flybackX | which is ironic since samsung is the only company making GESTAPObus's shit |
| 00:52.28 | MonMotha | so they'll keep making flash |
| 00:52.44 | MonMotha | IIRC, they also make ARM processors |
| 00:52.49 | MonMotha | (amongst other things, of course) |
| 00:52.54 | flybackX | this means MX and SST should clean up the market |
| 00:52.56 | CosmicPenguin | so, that makes what, only 3 million different products in Samsung's portfolio? |
| 00:53.07 | flybackX | wonder if one of those will try to bid into intel's flash |
| 00:53.18 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea their arm processors are some of the best imho |
| 00:53.20 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: something like that |
| 00:53.25 | MonMotha | prpplague: yup, I've heard good things |
| 00:53.35 | flybackX | I thought dram was a large part of samsung's revenue |
| 00:53.41 | CosmicPenguin | They're going to be just fine |
| 00:53.55 | flybackX | well i know they have the nand flash market by the balls |
| 00:53.57 | MonMotha | samsung is a giant in terms of semiconductors |
| 00:54.04 | MonMotha | they aren't going anywhere |
| 00:54.10 | flybackX | dunno who is the biggest in NOR |
| 00:54.11 | flybackX | mabye sst |
| 00:54.24 | MonMotha | Intel was at one point one of th ebiggest NOR providers |
| 00:54.29 | MonMotha | I don't believe they have been recently, though |
| 00:54.54 | flybackX | I might just hand this job over to someone else |
| 00:55.00 | prpplague | there are lots of small companies doing NOR now |
| 00:55.02 | flybackX | and just eat the few days I spent wasted on this |
| 00:55.32 | flybackX | I only did the absolute bare minimum for sendmail when I did it 10 yrs ago |
| 00:55.39 | flybackX | I know nothing about pop, imap anything |
| 00:55.44 | MonMotha | I know AMD used to make all sorts of stuff, but they really seem to be trying to concentrate on desktop/PC server microprocessors now |
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| 00:55.51 | flybackX | I am so stressed out right now over this I am going to pass out |
| 00:55.55 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe |
| 00:56.01 | prpplague | MonMotha: embedded too |
| 00:56.07 | prpplague | MonMotha: just x86 embedded |
| 00:56.12 | flybackX | yeah geode seems nice |
| 00:56.14 | MonMotha | prpplague: true |
| 00:56.15 | CosmicPenguin | well - low end |
| 00:56.17 | flybackX | via is having major problems with c7 I geuss |
| 00:56.18 | CosmicPenguin | not really embedded |
| 00:56.24 | MonMotha | basically AMD seems to be doing x86 of all types |
| 00:56.34 | MonMotha | CosmicPenguin: depends on your definition of embedded |
| 00:56.41 | MonMotha | there's the classic "PC embedded" term |
| 00:56.46 | MonMotha | which seems almost contradictory |
| 00:57.03 | CosmicPenguin | well, the geode isn't nearly as "embedded" as the alchemy is |
| 00:57.05 | MonMotha | PCs being used in single purpose applications |
| 00:57.10 | CosmicPenguin | by comparison |
| 00:57.12 | flybackX | is amd still doing 186 |
| 00:57.38 | MonMotha | I'll admit to not being very familiar with AMD's small/embedded/low-end x86 product line, though |
| 00:57.46 | flybackX | monmontha |
| 00:57.51 | flybackX | they have 2 geode lines |
| 00:58.00 | flybackX | the high end which is just low clocked, low powered athlon socket-a cores |
| 00:58.04 | MonMotha | I know I developed some stuff on a SBC with an Elan a while back (about 3-4 years ago) |
| 00:58.20 | flybackX | and the low end which is based on the national semi geode which was based on the cyrix mediaGX |
| 00:58.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: did they ever say why radio shit stopped selling the PICS ? |
| 00:58.49 | flybackX | prpplague oh did you hear what happen to rat shack |
| 00:59.01 | CosmicPenguin | wasn't profitable |
| 00:59.02 | flybackX | you know that robotics kits they started selling |
| 00:59.12 | flybackX | they company bougth the rights back |
| 00:59.15 | flybackX | vexo is dead |
| 00:59.21 | flybackX | at least thru radio shack |
| 00:59.30 | MonMotha | I'm surprised RS ever sold microcontrollers |
| 00:59.40 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 00:59.42 | MonMotha | by the time they started doing so, they were almost already dead as a parts shop to most people |
| 00:59.53 | MonMotha | most of them no longer carry enough parts to build a radio |
| 01:00.04 | CosmicPenguin | different PIC |
| 01:00.09 | MonMotha | oh :) |
| 01:00.14 | MonMotha | I know they did sell uCs |
| 01:00.26 | MonMotha | though I thought they stuck to the incredibly overprices POSes that are basic stamps |
| 01:00.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i figured as much |
| 01:01.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just wonder what the selling point issues were |
| 01:01.06 | flybackX | yeah I saw those the other day in stores |
| 01:01.09 | flybackX | basic stamps |
| 01:01.14 | flybackX | I always disliked that one |
| 01:01.18 | flybackX | like you said overpriced pos |
| 01:02.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they aren't selling well here either |
| 01:02.41 | flybackX | wait |
| 01:02.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: c&w doesn't even have them on display anymore |
| 01:02.47 | flybackX | radio shack sold amd's pic computer |
| 01:02.49 | flybackX | whoa |
| 01:02.58 | flybackX | wonder if they have any left discounted |
| 01:03.46 | CosmicPenguin | they're a decent proof of concept, but not very useful as they are |
| 01:04.41 | flybackX | oh that's right |
| 01:04.55 | flybackX | that's the device that the cock suckers at amd rigged to prevent linux use |
| 01:04.58 | flybackX | YEAH YOU HEAR ME AMD |
| 01:05.08 | flybackX | I SAID WHOEVER DID THAT THERE IS A BUNCH OF COCK SUCKERS |
| 01:05.09 | flybackX | K THX |
| 01:05.39 | prpplague | flybackX: no more warnings |
| 01:05.50 | prpplague | flybackX: no caps and no fould language |
| 01:05.58 | CosmicPenguin | because we would have sold what - 3 more PICs if they wern't restricted? |
| 01:06.14 | flybackX | who the hell cares what people do after they pay for it |
| 01:06.16 | flybackX | it's none of amd's business |
| 01:07.12 | CosmicPenguin | you can buy any number of GX PC-104 boards, and those come with network and LPC ports |
| 01:07.17 | prpplague | flybackX: they have their reasons, and they don't have to make it easy for their product to no be used in accordance with what they made it for |
| 01:07.22 | CosmicPenguin | the PIC has neither |
| 01:07.27 | CosmicPenguin | plus the case is ugly |
| 01:07.32 | flybackX | I still think it's bull |
| 01:07.33 | flybackX | 100% |
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| 01:09.01 | flybackX | then again I don't believe in anyone anymore |
| 01:09.03 | flybackX | not even myself |
| 01:10.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: anyway...... |
| 01:10.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you planning to do anything with the enc28j60? |
| 01:10.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: or was that all killed? |
| 01:12.00 | CosmicPenguin | killed |
| 01:12.10 | prpplague | bummer |
| 01:12.10 | CosmicPenguin | postponed indefinately |
| 01:12.27 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno - OLPC seems to be more fun |
| 01:12.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that mean that amd is getting involved? |
| 01:12.51 | CosmicPenguin | its our chip |
| 01:12.58 | prpplague | oh didn't know that |
| 01:13.03 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 01:13.11 | prpplague | i've not read about it in detail |
| 01:13.54 | CosmicPenguin | OPLC rev_a uses a geode GX |
| 01:14.21 | prpplague | ahh lovely |
| 01:14.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: don't suppose there is a white paper or such that talks about the choices they made? |
| 01:15.05 | CosmicPenguin | Just various new reports and other sources |
| 01:15.13 | prpplague | ahh |
| 01:15.14 | CosmicPenguin | the main reason they picked the GX is that they needed a working FPU |
| 01:15.19 | CosmicPenguin | So thats why ARM was excluded |
| 01:15.31 | flybackX | gx is socket-a core correct? |
| 01:15.33 | prpplague | interesting |
| 01:15.46 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you can get arm with fpu |
| 01:15.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just not very many of them |
| 01:15.55 | CosmicPenguin | not one that worked well enough |
| 01:16.01 | prpplague | agreed |
| 01:16.01 | CosmicPenguin | ARM11 is going to be the real competition |
| 01:20.04 | CosmicPenguin | This is a graphic email message. If you are reading this message |
| 01:20.04 | CosmicPenguin | then your email program does not support HTML format. We recommend |
| 01:20.05 | CosmicPenguin | upgrading the program you use to read your email. |
| 01:20.05 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 01:20.29 | prpplague | i love that |
| 01:21.35 | CosmicPenguin | alright - time to go home |
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| 02:37.40 | CodeMaster0101 | Hey ... Anyone familiar with the CAN protocol ? |
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| 03:09.00 | MonMotha | CodeMaster0101: somewhat |
| 03:09.02 | MonMotha | what do you need? |
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| 07:58.43 | flyback | http://www.global-electronics.net/id/23262/CMEntries_ID/143052/cubesig/4a5e6333274b88088ebfc6e0956239f1 |
| 07:58.50 | flyback | espically for monmontha I think it was |
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| 13:08.07 | prpplague | morning folks |
| 13:15.00 | jbevren | yawn |
| 13:15.16 | prpplague | jbevren: hey |
| 13:15.20 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:15.26 | prpplague | interesting |
| 13:15.30 | jbevren | do you think scraping the spray away from the end will increase their range? |
| 13:15.36 | jbevren | the antenna's internal |
| 13:16.12 | prpplague | jbevren: no telling |
| 13:16.12 | GPSFan | prpplague: morning.. |
| 13:16.19 | prpplague | jbevren: might just try it without the cover |
| 13:16.20 | jbevren | GPSFan: Your thoughts? :) |
| 13:16.21 | prpplague | GPSFan: morning |
| 13:16.25 | prpplague | GPSFan: whats cookin? |
| 13:16.39 | jbevren | prpplague: I also pondered the notion of scraping the very end and using it as a directional transmitter heh |
| 13:17.04 | jbevren | the shell snaps apart though, so its a no-brainer to open and re-close |
| 13:17.13 | GPSFan | prpplague: been busy with farm stuff for the last month, probably will ease up on another 2-3 weeks. |
| 13:18.05 | GPSFan | jbevren: the conductive paint on the inside of the BT adapter can't do the range any good. but it is probably there so the adapter can pass the FCC specs/cert tests. |
| 13:18.36 | jbevren | GPSFan: As I figured. I dont want to negatively affect the RF tuning of the device |
| 13:18.50 | jbevren | not that a small loop of circuit trace makes much of a tuned antenna :) |
| 13:19.36 | GPSFan | jbevren: at 2.4G it doesn't take much for a 1/4 wave whip. |
| 13:19.46 | jbevren | heh |
| 13:19.55 | jbevren | I'd love to hack a rp-sma connector onto one |
| 13:20.07 | jbevren | I have a 7dbi wifi antenna I'm not using ;-) |
| 13:21.29 | prpplague | funny, the enc28j60 has been out for awhile and it seems i'm the only one thats posted a driver so far |
| 13:21.33 | GPSFan | don't put a connector on it just get some good small microwave coax, and solder it right to the trace & gnd, then put the connector pair at the end of the coax. |
| 13:23.24 | GPSFan | jbevren: maybe you want to attach the antenna right to the BT donggle, in that case putting the connector on the adapter would be appropriate. |
| 13:23.32 | jbevren | ahh |
| 13:23.47 | jbevren | but yeah, attaching the antenna to the dongle is what I'm after |
| 13:23.55 | jbevren | I do have the pigtail from my A3000 yet |
| 13:23.57 | jbevren | might use that |
| 13:27.48 | GPSFan | bbl, still lots of farm stuff left todo ;>) |
| 13:58.39 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 14:00.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
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| 14:04.41 | jbevren | Morning CP |
| 14:25.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you looked at any of the sdio 802.11 cards? |
| 14:25.48 | CosmicPenguin | no |
| 14:49.11 | jbevren | prpplague: random thought, what about a localbus wifi adapter? |
| 14:49.14 | jbevren | i.e. not pci |
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| 14:50.52 | prpplague | jbevren: localbus? |
| 14:50.56 | jbevren | yeah |
| 14:51.05 | jbevren | for the pixter, attach to the localbus on the cartridge slot |
| 14:51.12 | prpplague | jbevren: you mean just using the standard memory mapped address and data lines? |
| 14:51.17 | jbevren | right |
| 14:51.20 | jbevren | mmio |
| 14:51.24 | prpplague | jbevren: you know of one? |
| 14:51.50 | jbevren | I was asking indirectly if you knew of any (as well as your thoughts on the idea) |
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| 15:00.20 | prpplague | jbevren: i was thinking on the same lines, but i've not really found anything usuable |
| 15:01.23 | CosmicPenguin | you could always do USB in a pinch |
| 15:02.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, thats where we are headed, but there are a couple of issues with usb |
| 15:02.52 | CosmicPenguin | speed? |
| 15:02.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: mainly that its 5v |
| 15:03.16 | CosmicPenguin | ahh |
| 15:04.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: means adding a 5v power supply to the system |
| 15:04.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and the funny part is |
| 15:04.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that the usb 802.11 dongles actually convert the 5v input to 3.3v |
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| 15:16.51 | jbevren | prpplague: grr :( |
| 15:17.01 | jbevren | I'd also thought about ISA ethernet NICs |
| 15:17.19 | jbevren | but I think SPI might be the best if a hardware SPI bus is attached |
| 15:17.25 | jbevren | since that also opens up bulk storage via mmc |
| 15:19.09 | prpplague | jbevren: well you could hack just about any cf card with a 16-bit interface |
| 15:19.14 | jbevren | nod |
| 15:19.33 | prpplague | jbevren: just wish there was something like a usb dongle just with an spi interface |
| 15:19.54 | prpplague | i suspect that most of the sdio wireless cards have a backdoor command to put them in spi mode |
| 15:20.05 | CosmicPenguin | there are spi connected usb controllers arent' there? |
| 15:20.05 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 15:20.09 | prpplague | as every chip i have for evaluation has spi |
| 15:20.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, but what does that gain? |
| 15:20.31 | CosmicPenguin | the SD protocol has a SPI mode built in |
| 15:20.42 | CosmicPenguin | so technically, all SD cards can use SPI |
| 15:21.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea thats what i was thinking, but several people have posted that the sdio wireless cards didn't seem to recognize the spi interface |
| 15:22.20 | prpplague | http://www.apmsinc.com/en/htm/main6270.asp |
| 15:22.32 | prpplague | every chip i've run across that does sdio does spi as well |
| 15:23.07 | CosmicPenguin | They should |
| 15:23.09 | CosmicPenguin | They have to |
| 15:23.27 | CosmicPenguin | assuming the controller can do it - maybe people are trying it on non SPI controllers and they don't know it |
| 15:23.29 | jbevren | so you just change the layer-1 protocol on the IC? |
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| 15:23.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: its possible |
| 15:23.58 | jbevren | ARM9 integrated for host offload of all 802.11 functions |
| 15:23.59 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:24.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: guess i just need to grab a couple sdio cards and test |
| 15:24.13 | jbevren | prpplague: so where do I buy one? :) |
| 15:24.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: question is , how legal is it to use a sdio card in spi mode |
| 15:25.03 | prpplague | jbevren: i've yet to find an eval board for any of the wireless chips that support spi |
| 15:25.12 | jbevren | :( |
| 15:25.17 | jbevren | we should make one :D |
| 15:25.26 | jbevren | we meaning everyone but me of course |
| 15:25.28 | jbevren | lol |
| 15:25.32 | prpplague | $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ |
| 15:25.38 | prpplague | lots and lots and lots of money |
| 15:25.47 | jbevren | just to get the IC and mount it to a board? |
| 15:26.12 | prpplague | jbevren: much more than that |
| 15:26.25 | prpplague | jbevren: you have to design an antenna and tons of fcc stuff |
| 15:27.22 | jbevren | true |
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| 15:28.17 | prpplague | jbevren: our budget allocated for a new 802.11b/g design was $300k |
| 15:28.22 | prpplague | davidc___: greetings |
| 15:28.31 | prpplague | davidc___: you looking for me the other day? |
| 15:28.32 | jbevren | that aside, what's to keep an individual from making his own non-approved board for private evaluation? |
| 15:28.42 | davidc___ | prpplague: heh, I was wondering if you were the same prpplauge from sparkfun :P |
| 15:28.59 | jbevren | (say, for example, if I were to have a board made and bake it in my toaster oven) |
| 15:29.11 | prpplague | davidc___: "from sparkfun"? i only post one message there |
| 15:29.20 | prpplague | davidc___: hehe you see more than that one post? |
| 15:29.21 | davidc___ | prpplague: in the camera hacking thread? |
| 15:29.24 | prpplague | davidc___: yea |
| 15:29.40 | davidc___ | heh, yea, I was reading that thread and came across your name in there ;) |
| 15:29.44 | davidc___ | I'm 'busonerd' in that thread :P |
| 15:29.57 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 15:30.24 | prpplague | i have a couple of the cameras on order |
| 15:30.31 | prpplague | hopefully get them in a week or two |
| 15:31.32 | jbevren | prpplague: The palmpix'en? |
| 15:31.36 | CosmicPenguin | speaking of which - where is my damn bluetooth key? |
| 15:31.37 | davidc___ | prpplague: let me know if you have any success |
| 15:32.04 | davidc___ | prpplague: I tried a lot - bug me if you want more info on what I tried.. not all my stuff made it to the forums |
| 15:32.15 | prpplague | davidc___: will do, i plan to connect it to an arm9 device |
| 15:32.28 | davidc___ | prpplague: with a dedicated camera connector? |
| 15:32.31 | prpplague | davidc___: i read most of it and got the datasheet |
| 15:32.40 | prpplague | davidc___: no, gonna bitbang it |
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| 15:33.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: re |
| 15:33.29 | davidc___ | prpplague: well, good luck... I've got an FPGA setup to capture the datastream - source synchronous clocking - and while it seems to make some sense... the image just looks like static |
| 15:33.53 | CosmicPenguin | what just happened? :) |
| 15:34.05 | prpplague | davidc___: yea sounds like a timming issue, basically its an lcd in reverse |
| 15:34.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you tell us |
| 15:34.16 | davidc___ | prpplague: nah, the timing was right |
| 15:34.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: said you got a "connection reset by peer" |
| 15:34.25 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heh - go to get a drink of water and the world disappears |
| 15:34.35 | davidc___ | you clock data in on the negative edge of the pclk |
| 15:34.48 | davidc___ | prpplague: thing is - I could identify the individual pixels |
| 15:34.56 | davidc___ | just the actual pixels were garbage |
| 15:35.02 | prpplague | davidc___: hmm |
| 15:35.08 | davidc___ | [it uses a funky 12 bit format that you can see] |
| 15:35.12 | davidc___ | [well, in one mode at least] |
| 15:35.29 | prpplague | davidc___: yea i was reading about that |
| 15:35.56 | prpplague | davidc___: what were you using as a method of testing the image? |
| 15:36.18 | davidc___ | prpplague: dumping the raw data to the screen as a greyscale image |
| 15:36.23 | davidc___ | [when using 8 bit mode] |
| 15:36.23 | flyback | prpplague did you see this |
| 15:36.40 | prpplague | davidc___: sorry was kind of vague question, i meant what were you taking a picture of? |
| 15:36.45 | flyback | http://www.global-electronics.net/id/23262/CMEntries_ID/143052/cubesig/4a5e6333274b88088ebfc6e0956239f1 |
| 15:36.47 | davidc___ | oh, myself |
| 15:36.58 | davidc___ | thats the way the camera faced when mounted |
| 15:37.08 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 15:37.10 | davidc___ | also tried a light |
| 15:37.19 | davidc___ | also tried half bright, half dim |
| 15:37.24 | prpplague | davidc___: i had planned to use a white piece of paper with a black square |
| 15:37.39 | flyback | prpplague it's a 8051 mcu with a 32 bit barrel shifter and oher goodies, but the wow factor is it has fram |
| 15:37.52 | flyback | = ulimited write nvram |
| 15:38.07 | davidc___ | yeah, probably a good idea - I plan to do some more tests, but as soon as I got my rig all setup [fpga / wiring/ mcu for the i2c driving] life got in the way |
| 15:38.09 | prpplague | flyback: yea, interesting |
| 15:38.19 | prpplague | davidc___: btdt |
| 15:38.38 | prpplague | davidc___: you are welcome to start a wiki page on elinux.org if you would like |
| 15:38.47 | davidc___ | btdt? |
| 15:38.48 | prpplague | davidc___: thats where i'll be documenting my stuff |
| 15:38.54 | prpplague | davidc___: been there done that |
| 15:38.58 | davidc___ | ah, heh |
| 15:39.13 | jbevren | I have a linear ccd |
| 15:39.21 | jbevren | I should look into using it for something |
| 15:39.35 | flyback | prpplague they haven't been able to get fram to scale to eeprom flash density :/ but it looks like it will have a happy ending anyways for small scale flash like for logging transactions on a raid card etc |
| 15:40.15 | flyback | and 8/16 bit mcu's or even 32 bit mcus |
| 15:41.07 | davidc___ | flyback: eh, as with all technologies, once more people get interested in it, it'll get better |
| 15:42.38 | jbevren | yep |
| 15:42.49 | jbevren | flash was limited to 1Mbit devices until more people wanted it |
| 15:44.08 | flyback | well they wanted it now but it's not working |
| 15:44.20 | flyback | but like I said even if it never scales it will have uses |
| 15:44.36 | davidc___ | ya, course' |
| 15:44.41 | flyback | mcu debug log or something |
| 15:44.47 | davidc___ | fram is neat stuff - fast + non volatile |
| 15:46.01 | flyback | also nearly unlimited writes |
| 15:46.05 | flyback | unless you run windows :P |
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| 15:52.49 | prpplague | i guess i just need to buy about 5 of these 802.11 sdio cards and see if any of them respond to spi |
| 15:54.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i just looked at the datasheets for two chips, and it does look that they do not support the spi interface in sdio mode |
| 15:55.06 | CosmicPenguin | wierd |
| 15:55.32 | CosmicPenguin | I htought all SD handled SDIO |
| 15:56.04 | flyback | whoa |
| 15:56.13 | flyback | mmm sdio cards |
| 15:56.25 | flyback | oh btw sorry about last night, I was stressed out and had a mini meltdown |
| 15:56.35 | flyback | gotta talk to my doc about a med change |
| 15:56.50 | flyback | paxil is taking a big s*** :/ |
| 15:57.08 | CosmicPenguin | I meant - I thought all SD handled SPI |
| 15:57.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, i thought that was a requirement |
| 15:57.35 | flyback | SPI and SDIO are just so damn useful |
| 15:57.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but it appears sdio is different |
| 15:57.50 | flyback | heck philips is making a killing with i2c for control stuff |
| 15:58.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: all the chips i'm looking at actually have pins that determine the interface type |
| 15:58.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and seperate pins for sdio and spi |
| 16:00.33 | prpplague | a complete dev kit for the bgw200 is $7500 |
| 16:00.36 | prpplague | jeeze |
| 16:11.07 | prpplague | seems everyone is on the mini-pci bandwagon |
| 16:11.35 | jbevren | it has a sram interface. heh |
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| 16:38.20 | prpplague | this spi subsystem is just not clicking |
| 16:38.38 | jbevren | aha |
| 16:38.55 | jbevren | its determined by the cas delay on the sdram (set at 3 in the source) |
| 16:38.55 | prpplague | and there is no help to be found anywhere |
| 16:38.57 | prpplague | :( |
| 16:39.00 | jbevren | prpplague: Grumble |
| 16:50.35 | flybackX | well it's official now |
| 16:50.38 | prpplague | ~lart jbevren |
| 16:50.39 | flybackX | the c3 is totally dead |
| 16:50.42 | flybackX | long live c7 |
| 16:50.55 | prpplague | flybackX: ? |
| 16:51.41 | flybackX | via c3 |
| 16:51.51 | prpplague | flybackX: ?? |
| 16:51.52 | flybackX | they had to nuke all their inventory by around now |
| 16:51.58 | flybackX | due to agreement with intel |
| 16:52.03 | prpplague | flybackX: ??? |
| 16:52.14 | flybackX | in return intel wouldn't sue them for patents on the p3 bus the c3 used |
| 16:52.30 | flybackX | http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20060605PR216.html |
| 16:52.40 | flybackX | via c3 cpu |
| 16:52.47 | flybackX | you know mini-itx |
| 16:52.53 | flybackX | ~canuck prpplague |
| 16:53.08 | prpplague | ahh VIA the company not a pcb via |
| 16:53.20 | prpplague | flybackX: need to be more specific |
| 16:53.28 | flybackX | I guess c7 is way better anyways |
| 16:53.39 | flybackX | sorry most people I have talked to know what c3 is, I am just used tot hat |
| 16:54.09 | flybackX | OMG |
| 16:54.16 | prpplague | flybackX: lower case via generally referes to a hole connection on a pcb |
| 16:54.32 | flybackX | why is intel, etc pushing solid state hard drives when they have major write cycle limits |
| 16:55.01 | flybackX | looks cool though http://www.digitimes.com/bits_chips/a20060605VL204.html |
| 16:55.08 | jbevren | hm tcpip stack in vhdl |
| 16:55.17 | flybackX | wtf |
| 16:55.18 | jbevren | er, no tcp |
| 16:55.20 | jbevren | just ip |
| 16:55.21 | jbevren | still.. |
| 16:55.24 | prpplague | flybackX: you've reached your url limit for today, ease up |
| 16:55.28 | flybackX | you mean tcpip coded as hard logic |
| 16:55.30 | flybackX | ok :P |
| 16:55.40 | jbevren | flyback: yeah |
| 16:55.53 | flybackX | that doesn't seem possible |
| 16:55.55 | flybackX | wow |
| 16:56.44 | jbevren | the design has a simple udp implementation |
| 16:57.32 | flybackX | that seems too inflexable and a waste of time to me |
| 16:57.34 | flybackX | but what do Iknow |
| 16:57.49 | flybackX | although I guess vdhl is fpga lang therefor reprogramable? |
| 16:57.55 | jbevren | http://www.itee.uq.edu.au/~peters/xsvboard/stack/stack.htm |
| 16:58.10 | jbevren | IP is actually quite straightforward |
| 16:58.17 | jbevren | it can be operated within a simple state machine |
| 16:58.20 | jbevren | TCP is another story :) |
| 16:58.57 | jbevren | flybackX: for complex things, there's often either a microcode engine, or a simple risc mcu core in the design |
| 16:59.16 | flybackX | ok |
| 17:06.36 | CodeMaster0101 | Someone familiar with communication of a CAN-bus ? |
| 17:07.06 | prpplague | CodeMaster0101: not i, but iirc kergoth has done something with that |
| 17:07.20 | prpplague | CodeMaster0101: might find someone on #elinux that might have as well |
| 17:07.44 | CodeMaster0101 | Thank you very much |
| 17:08.15 | CodeMaster0101 | Cause not a lot of people seem to be familiar with the CAN-bus |
| 17:08.37 | CodeMaster0101 | Actually I need to communicate with vXWorks over a CAN-bus |
| 17:09.10 | CodeMaster0101 | So some knowledge of vXWorks is also required |
| 17:10.21 | prpplague | CodeMaster0101: hehe, well if i knew anything about can-bus i'd do it in trade for some good abbey ale, hehe |
| 17:11.04 | CodeMaster0101 | lol |
| 17:11.56 | CodeMaster0101 | Chimay is great ... But Duvel is the best |
| 17:12.53 | prpplague | CodeMaster0101: agreed |
| 17:29.57 | flybackX | <CodeMaster0101> So some knowledge of vXWorks is also required |
| 17:29.58 | flybackX | there you go |
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| 17:30.57 | CodeMaster0101 | auch :) |
| 17:35.07 | prpplague | CodeMaster0101: don't worry about him, he's off his medication, hehe |
| 17:36.00 | flybackX | prpplague you missed the joke about vxworks :0 |
| 17:36.06 | CodeMaster0101 | as long as it stays with a virtual sledge hammer I can handle it :) |
| 17:45.26 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 17:45.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you still alive? |
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| 18:31.02 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: can't a guy eat lunch? |
| 18:32.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hell no |
| 18:32.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lunch is for wimps |
| 18:33.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: drink coffee |
| 18:35.14 | jbevren | no wonder you have CFD |
| 18:35.15 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:35.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you said you "sort of" filled that job , what did you finally end up doing? |
| 18:36.15 | CosmicPenguin | huh? |
| 18:36.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that job you were looking to fill |
| 18:36.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i asked the other day if you finally got someone |
| 18:36.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you said "sort of" |
| 18:37.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i didn't get a chance to ask what you ment |
| 18:39.05 | CosmicPenguin | oh - we got a junior person |
| 18:39.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh, |
| 18:39.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: working out? |
| 18:40.25 | CosmicPenguin | oh, yeah |
| 18:40.27 | CosmicPenguin | she rocks |
| 18:40.58 | prpplague | she? you got a female linux guru? |
| 18:41.25 | CosmicPenguin | not quite guru |
| 18:41.31 | CosmicPenguin | but she can code C lilke nobody's business |
| 18:41.34 | prpplague | coool |
| 18:41.40 | jbevren | is she single? |
| 18:41.44 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:41.45 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 18:41.49 | prpplague | hehe, CosmicPenguin is not a dating service |
| 18:42.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i was just curious |
| 18:42.16 | CosmicPenguin | even if I was, why would she date you? |
| 18:42.22 | prpplague | HA |
| 18:42.24 | jbevren | cause I'm hot! |
| 18:42.27 | jbevren | haha j/k |
| 18:42.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 18:43.00 | prpplague | jbevren: easy now |
| 18:43.06 | jbevren | I said I was holding it back |
| 18:43.11 | CosmicPenguin | my eyes - the goggles do nothing |
| 18:43.25 | jbevren | speaking of hardware btw.. I discovered much to mys urprise that one of my favorite cpu's runs clear down to 1.8v |
| 18:43.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: anyway |
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| 18:43.51 | jbevren | wide-range logic (1.8 to 5v vcc) |
| 18:44.14 | flybackX | wow |
| 18:44.15 | flybackX | 1.8 |
| 18:44.28 | flybackX | think it's possible to go below .6 or probably not |
| 18:44.42 | jbevren | didnt some strongarm core run at .5v? |
| 18:44.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: any particular linux dev you guys are interested in these days?(that you can say) |
| 18:45.10 | CosmicPenguin | nothing new and novel |
| 18:45.11 | flybackX | I thought .6 was the absolute lowest any transistor will open |
| 18:45.20 | jbevren | flybackX: shrug, you may be right |
| 18:45.22 | CosmicPenguin | OE is still big for us, and we're really into the ease-of-use craze |
| 18:45.35 | CosmicPenguin | we're doing livecds and installers and whatnot |
| 18:45.43 | jbevren | germanium doped junctions do cross at .5v |
| 18:45.47 | CosmicPenguin | the OLPC is prompting what I hope will be a migration to an open bios |
| 18:46.03 | jbevren | 1.8, 2.5, 3.0, 3.3, 5v |
| 18:46.12 | flybackX | so .5 |
| 18:47.06 | flybackX | http://www.eet.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=K30RFQJZF5WWQQSNDBESKHA?articleID=188702020 |
| 18:47.21 | flybackX | man that looks promising for pda's |
| 18:47.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh cool |
| 18:47.35 | jbevren | werent you over your url quota? hehe |
| 18:47.39 | flybackX | oh opps |
| 18:47.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: actually was kind thinking about looking into linuxbios |
| 18:47.58 | jbevren | flybackX: cool url though |
| 18:48.40 | flybackX | WTF |
| 18:48.47 | flybackX | "intel enters spi flash market" |
| 18:48.56 | flybackX | I thuoght they were losing money hand over fist with flash |
| 18:49.27 | prpplague | flybackX: doesn't mean they kill projects that they've already got money invested in |
| 18:49.43 | prpplague | flybackX: just adds some additional value to their flash offerings when it goes up for sale |
| 18:49.53 | flybackX | yeah I guess so |
| 18:53.18 | flybackX | I bet texas instruments is really sorry they named their one process davinchi |
| 18:53.24 | flybackX | processor |
| 18:58.45 | flybackX | wtf |
| 18:58.48 | flybackX | CosmicPenguin |
| 18:58.55 | flybackX | since when does amd own transmeta |
| 18:59.06 | CosmicPenguin | they don't |
| 18:59.27 | flybackX | they are selling chips based on transmeta |
| 18:59.40 | CosmicPenguin | and? |
| 18:59.49 | flybackX | ugh they are talking abotu secure code too this looks like trusted pc and drm BS |
| 19:00.01 | flybackX | nothing just curious |
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| 21:17.08 | *** topic/#edev is #edev discussion for small embedded device development and hacking || http://www.elinux.org/wiki/ || http://www.hackaday.com || http://www.linux-hacker.net |
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| 21:26.03 | prpplague | well its not looking good for linux-hacker.net |
| 21:26.15 | flybackx | I knew something was up |
| 21:26.17 | flybackx | what happened |
| 21:26.20 | prpplague | Registry Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK |
| 21:26.20 | flybackx | someone post firmware? |
| 21:26.20 | prpplague | Registry Status: clientDeleteProhibited |
| 21:26.20 | prpplague | Registry Status: clientRenewProhibited |
| 21:26.21 | prpplague | Registry Status: clientTransferProhibited |
| 21:26.21 | prpplague | Registry Status: clientUpdateProhibited" |
| 21:26.25 | prpplague | don't know |
| 21:26.28 | flybackx | WTF |
| 21:26.32 | flybackx | registry lock |
| 21:26.42 | prpplague | but godaddy.com has got all of their dns stuff locked |
| 21:27.26 | *** mode/#edev [+o prpplague] by ChanServ |
| 21:27.32 | flybackx | prpp I might be joining you if this nonsense continues |
| 21:28.30 | flybackx | mabye it's time to get slashdot involved |
| 21:29.33 | flybackx | holy s*** |
| 21:29.48 | flybackx | that hd I gave my sister is on the "world's most canucked hd list" |
| 21:29.59 | flybackx | glad I started working on a faster drive for her anyways |
| 21:30.01 | flybackx | whew |
| 21:30.11 | flybackx | amazing that drive is working then considering my dad threw it at me once |
| 21:30.12 | flybackx | heh |
| 21:33.39 | flybackx | prpp check this pic |
| 21:33.40 | flybackx | http://www.dataclinic.co.uk/fireball-burn-sml.jpg |
| 21:33.51 | flybackx | quantum fireball lives up to it's name |
| 21:34.11 | flybackx | I got majorly torn a new cornhole by my boss over this before I could prove it wasn't my fault |
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| 23:01.49 | prpplague | man it seems ken segler just dropped of the face of the earth |
| 23:31.23 | flybackx | prpplague |
| 23:31.27 | flybackx | PLEASE TALK to me in /msg |
| 23:31.31 | flybackx | either here or efnet |
