| 00:36.51 | prpplague | jbevren: ping ping |
| 00:39.51 | prpplague | CP|Home: that makes two of us |
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| 01:59.19 | prpplague | jbevren: ping ping |
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| 02:40.15 | prpplague | jbevren: well you come alive again |
| 02:40.25 | prpplague | jbevren: i've made a nice little pixter break through |
| 02:40.31 | prpplague | jbevren: ask me tomorrow!! |
| 02:51.09 | jbevren | tell me now :P |
| 02:52.36 | jbevren | bastige :) |
| 03:11.06 | agaffney | http://www.pricegrabber.com/user_sales_getprod.php/masterid=1549619/lot_id=1330189/mode=googleff/ |
| 03:11.24 | agaffney | hmm, I may pick up 4 of those and use ony of my walnuts as a serial terminal server |
| 03:11.36 | agaffney | I've got working 4-port USB cards for them |
| 03:13.38 | agaffney | any reason that wouldn't work? |
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| 03:15.15 | agaffney | I assume that is "standard" usb serial |
| 03:15.26 | GPSFan | agaffney: possibly the lack of a driver. I've had problems with CP2101 based usb-serial chips. they claim to have a gpl driver, but looking at the source, it's a lot of defines for x86 op codes. |
| 03:15.48 | agaffney | bleh |
| 03:16.03 | agaffney | what should the chipset matter? |
| 03:16.09 | agaffney | I thought usb serial was usb serial |
| 03:16.17 | agaffney | one generic driver |
| 03:16.58 | GPSFan | indeed it worked "ok" under windoze. This was about a year or so ago, things may have changed. the FDTI chips I belive have a gpl driver. |
| 03:19.04 | GPSFan | http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0505.2/0837.html |
| 03:20.04 | agaffney | how do you know what chip that one uses? |
| 03:20.12 | agaffney | oh, you don't |
| 03:20.19 | agaffney | you're just talking about particular chips in general |
| 03:21.01 | GPSFan | right. I don't know which chips various adapters use. |
| 03:21.40 | agaffney | $40 is a lot of money to waste on 4 adapaters I may not be able to use |
| 03:22.27 | GPSFan | I bought a generic usb-serial and it had a CP2101, I asked on their forums about a linux driver and got a runaround. then they released their "GPL" version which was just a disgrace. |
| 03:23.03 | GPSFan | the 2.6 RE version might be useable, I haven't looked at it. |
| 03:23.58 | GPSFan | best to find out the chip type before buying. |
| 03:24.05 | GPSFan | nite... |
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| 11:04.15 | prpplague | davidc___: boo |
| 11:04.21 | prpplague | davidc___: you around? |
| 11:23.37 | flybackX | I feel great today :) |
| 11:23.44 | flybackX | we nailed zarqawi |
| 11:25.42 | prpplague | i saw |
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| 13:02.51 | jbevren | prpplague: Ping. |
| 13:03.21 | prpplague | jbevren: pong |
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| 13:03.37 | jbevren | so i hear you have news for me |
| 13:03.59 | prpplague | jbevren: yea one sec just got to the office |
| 13:04.56 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, made a discovery last night |
| 13:05.00 | prpplague | jbevren: turns out |
| 13:05.04 | prpplague | jbevren: with a few mods |
| 13:05.13 | prpplague | jbevren: the pixter camera can be used to boot linux |
| 13:05.19 | jbevren | cool stuff |
| 13:05.29 | prpplague | jbevren: it has 1mb flash |
| 13:06.34 | jbevren | cool |
| 13:08.06 | prpplague | jbevren: pin 60 isn't used on any of the carts i have other than the camera |
| 13:08.40 | jbevren | does the cam use the 1MB flash for storage or ? |
| 13:08.54 | prpplague | jbevren: but with a total of 1mb of flash we can put enough code in there to get the bootloader up and read from a xD card or sd/mmc |
| 13:09.00 | prpplague | jbevren: yea stores the pictures there |
| 13:09.03 | jbevren | cool |
| 13:09.23 | prpplague | jbevren: btw did you test the pixter-mm about retention of drawings with power removed? |
| 13:09.43 | prpplague | davidc___: ping |
| 13:10.00 | prpplague | jbevren: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/PixterCamera |
| 13:10.09 | jbevren | prpplague: I mentioned that I cant operate the pixter because my TS is broken :P |
| 13:10.53 | prpplague | jbevren: oh sorry forgot |
| 13:10.56 | jbevren | heh |
| 13:10.57 | prpplague | jbevren: bummer |
| 13:11.00 | jbevren | yeah |
| 13:11.04 | jbevren | I need to get another pixter |
| 13:11.21 | prpplague | jbevren: there is a guy on ebay that sells them for $35.00 |
| 13:11.31 | prpplague | NIB |
| 13:12.14 | prpplague | jbevren: the cameras are selling between $10-15 |
| 13:15.23 | jbevren | $30, 8 available |
| 13:15.24 | jbevren | wee |
| 13:17.04 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:17.52 | jbevren | shipping's a little high |
| 13:17.59 | jbevren | but it still beats paying walmart $80 for one |
| 13:18.06 | prpplague | jbevren: i've been looking into camera stuff lately |
| 13:18.09 | prpplague | jbevren: yea |
| 13:18.14 | jbevren | I so shoulda got one from walmart while they were $20 |
| 13:18.23 | prpplague | jbevren: might be able to find one with a combo camera deal |
| 13:18.58 | prpplague | man the camera datasheet uses a notation i've never seen before |
| 13:19.25 | prpplague | when the want to indicate that value is a 8bit hex they use something like 8'h00 |
| 13:19.43 | prpplague | and something like a 16bit would be 16'h0000 |
| 13:19.48 | prpplague | never seen that before |
| 13:19.49 | jbevren | sure thats not otctal? |
| 13:19.52 | jbevren | crazy |
| 13:20.42 | jbevren | I thought about apex or uboot on a flash chip wired to CS1 the other day |
| 13:23.04 | prpplague | jbevren: yea apex already supports the lh79524 |
| 13:24.35 | prpplague | jbevren: http://cgi.ebay.com/Purple-Color-Pixter-w-Case-5-Cartridges-Camera_W0QQitemZ8825049729QQihZ005QQcategoryZ38267QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 13:24.42 | prpplague | good buy so far hehe3 |
| 13:25.21 | prpplague | jbevren: Item number: 8825134173 |
| 13:25.26 | prpplague | jbevren: one for 24.99 |
| 13:25.37 | jbevren | requires paypal |
| 13:26.26 | prpplague | jbevren: you don't have a paypal account? |
| 13:26.43 | jbevren | I cant verify my address without getting a new card |
| 13:27.01 | prpplague | jbevren: why should that stop you from using paypal? |
| 13:27.11 | jbevren | ebay sellers require verified addresses |
| 13:27.35 | prpplague | jbevren: i've never had a problem and i'm not verified |
| 13:29.53 | prpplague | i am verified, but what exactly is that anyway? |
| 13:30.08 | prpplague | my address has changed 4 times since i got my paypal account |
| 13:30.15 | prpplague | i've never updated it |
| 13:30.16 | jbevren | its paypal saying theyve verified that your address is real |
| 13:30.35 | jbevren | a lot of ebay sellers will only ship to a paypal verified address |
| 13:30.41 | jbevren | cause if they dont, they dont get seller protection |
| 13:31.54 | prpplague | interesting |
| 13:32.01 | prpplague | i've never had a problem with it |
| 13:32.04 | jbevren | at any rate |
| 13:32.12 | jbevren | I mistyped my address when trying to verify |
| 13:32.15 | jbevren | once. |
| 13:32.25 | jbevren | and now I can never, for all eternity, use this card with paypal for verification |
| 13:32.38 | jbevren | and I'm not going to spend money to get another card |
| 13:32.38 | prpplague | jbevren: that seems really odd |
| 13:32.51 | prpplague | jbevren: you spoke to someone at paypal? |
| 13:32.54 | jbevren | yep |
| 13:32.59 | prpplague | jbevren: and? |
| 13:33.03 | jbevren | and now I can never, for all eternity, use this card with paypal for verification |
| 13:33.15 | jbevren | even if I were to cancel the account and make a new one |
| 13:33.23 | jbevren | cause they apparently store my card number after cancellation |
| 13:33.52 | prpplague | jbevren: what was the reason they said that they can't reverify? |
| 13:34.01 | jbevren | they wont give one |
| 13:34.07 | jbevren | "its how the system works" |
| 13:34.13 | jbevren | which is -not- a good reason |
| 13:34.39 | prpplague | interesting |
| 13:34.51 | prpplague | wonder if i will have problems |
| 13:35.11 | jbevren | it must perfectly match your cc billing address |
| 13:40.25 | prpplague | hmm says it was changed |
| 13:40.36 | jbevren | does it say it's verified? |
| 13:40.56 | prpplague | jbevren: "confirmed" |
| 13:41.11 | prpplague | jbevren: i still have a "verified" marker on my profile |
| 13:44.04 | prpplague | jbevren: maybe its because i also have my checking account setup |
| 13:45.02 | jbevren | I dont know |
| 13:45.05 | jbevren | I dont care to deal with paypal |
| 13:45.18 | prpplague | jbevren: yea i know alot of people like that |
| 13:45.30 | prpplague | jbevren: but i can't really buy stuff overseas without it |
| 13:45.33 | jbevren | I used them all the time until they burned my card |
| 13:46.13 | prpplague | jbevren: something seems really wrong with that |
| 13:46.18 | jbevren | really? |
| 13:46.25 | jbevren | thats what I told the phone operator |
| 13:46.33 | jbevren | but that's apparently how the system works |
| 13:47.04 | jbevren | besides, my billing address is a po box |
| 13:49.08 | prpplague | jbevren: shouldn't really matter |
| 13:49.18 | prpplague | jbevren: as long as it matches |
| 13:49.32 | prpplague | jbevren: but it seems odd that they couldn't see there was a typo |
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| 13:49.55 | jbevren | the machine did the verification and burning of the card |
| 13:50.02 | jbevren | and they can't unflag it |
| 13:50.03 | jbevren | forever |
| 13:50.15 | jbevren | so now, even if I enter the right address, it wont verify |
| 13:50.49 | prpplague | seems really really odd |
| 13:51.14 | prpplague | davidc___: ping |
| 13:52.28 | jbevren | welcome to paypal |
| 13:53.09 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:53.32 | prpplague | speaking of which, my cc expires in july , gotta call and make sure i'm getting a new one shipped |
| 13:53.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ho ho ho |
| 14:04.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, c&w is in some deep doo doo about the PIC stuff |
| 14:05.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they have about 2000 customers demanding refunds |
| 14:05.32 | CosmicPenguin | what did we do? |
| 14:06.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not you , c&w bad bad bad service |
| 14:06.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: pepper pad rev3 looks good |
| 14:16.24 | jbevren | prpplague: the sdram slices on the pixter cpu are 256M wide |
| 14:16.28 | jbevren | impressive heh |
| 14:16.57 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: yeah - we've been working with them a bit lately |
| 14:17.00 | CosmicPenguin | mostly X stuff |
| 14:18.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: cool |
| 14:19.28 | CosmicPenguin | DT has a nice webpad that they're selling too |
| 14:19.35 | CosmicPenguin | Windows only, but it really looks slick |
| 14:19.36 | prpplague | DT? |
| 14:20.03 | jbevren | I had a viewsonic pad for a bit |
| 14:20.09 | jbevren | got it from tiger direct, doa |
| 14:20.22 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: DT Research |
| 14:20.22 | jbevren | TD refused to let me return it so I had to return it to viewsonic.. what idiots heh |
| 14:22.59 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.dtresearch.com/prod_webDT368LX.html |
| 14:23.05 | CosmicPenguin | Thats slightly different |
| 14:23.14 | CosmicPenguin | It runs Linux and has a Crusoe |
| 14:23.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea was looking at it already :) |
| 14:23.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: case looks nice |
| 14:24.00 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.dtresearch.com/prod_webDT168.html |
| 14:24.06 | CosmicPenguin | Thats the new thin client model |
| 14:24.22 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.dtresearch.com/prod_webDT550.html |
| 14:24.26 | prpplague | nice |
| 14:24.26 | CosmicPenguin | Thats a fun one too |
| 14:24.30 | prpplague | wonder home much that one is |
| 14:24.38 | CosmicPenguin | http://www.dtresearch.com/prod_webDT366.html |
| 14:24.43 | CosmicPenguin | There we go - thats the tablet |
| 14:24.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i keep thinking about doing a demo for the schools to use linux thin clients |
| 14:25.05 | CosmicPenguin | The problem with DT is that they don't go onesy-twosy |
| 14:25.21 | CosmicPenguin | they have cool shit, but you have to buy them in 1000 unit lots |
| 14:25.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 14:25.31 | CosmicPenguin | 10,000 if you want good prices |
| 14:26.10 | jbevren | the viewsonic was an xscale pad |
| 14:26.38 | CosmicPenguin | I trhink one could really make a difference if they had enough money to get some inventory and sell them to Linux geeks |
| 14:26.52 | CosmicPenguin | The DT hardware has traditionally been wide open |
| 14:26.55 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.ntavo.com/ntaterminal.php |
| 14:27.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you can get the one for $189 and load linux or use the one for $149 and pxe boot it with linux |
| 14:27.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: those would rock running K12 |
| 14:27.31 | CosmicPenguin | Those prices aren't bad |
| 14:28.06 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and they are darn good machines |
| 14:29.01 | prpplague | jbevren: gonna try some pixter-mm hacking this weekend |
| 14:29.51 | prpplague | i really wish my sparkfun cameras would hurry up and get here |
| 14:30.04 | prpplague | i'm being forced to read the datasheet over and over and over |
| 14:30.05 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:30.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: do anything with camera ccd or cmos stuff? |
| 14:32.50 | jbevren | prpplague: I'm going to be spending this weekend a mile away (literally) from anything civilized or modern |
| 14:40.06 | prpplague | just one mile? |
| 14:41.14 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 14:41.16 | CosmicPenguin | thats not very far |
| 14:42.09 | jbevren | it is for a wuss like me ;-) |
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| 14:57.50 | prpplague | wahooo |
| 14:57.55 | prpplague | linux-hacker.net is back!! |
| 15:03.38 | jbevren | didnt hear anything about the outage? |
| 15:04.10 | prpplague | jbevren: nothing other than the server crashed |
| 15:04.17 | prpplague | jbevren: and that codeman was short on $$$ |
| 15:15.09 | jbevren | ah |
| 15:15.12 | jbevren | that'll do it for sure :( |
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| 15:34.27 | prpplague | GPSFan: hey hey |
| 15:34.41 | GPSFan | prpplague: morning.. how's trix? |
| 15:35.23 | CosmicPenguin | What the hell is up with our stock? |
| 15:35.59 | CosmicPenguin | ~quote amd |
| 15:48.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: everyone is getting hit hard |
| 15:48.41 | prpplague | GPSFan: ssdd |
| 15:48.49 | prpplague | GPSFan: waiting on some parts to hack |
| 15:49.22 | GPSFan | prpplague: what was your pixter breakthrough last night? |
| 15:51.34 | prpplague | GPSFan: discovered a way to use the pixter camera to boot linux |
| 15:53.00 | CosmicPenguin | http://money.cnn.com/2006/06/08/news/companies/coke_walmart/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote |
| 15:53.01 | CosmicPenguin | Crazy |
| 15:53.07 | CosmicPenguin | This is why I hate walmart |
| 15:54.07 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:54.26 | GPSFan | prpplague: !! point it at a copy of the kernel source and say the magic word.. BOOT! |
| 15:54.49 | CosmicPenguin | The key is saying BOOT! in FInnish |
| 15:55.13 | GPSFan | CosmicPenguin: ah, that's the magic... |
| 15:57.28 | prpplague | GPSFan: hehe |
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| 15:57.36 | prpplague | GPSFan: no the camera has 1mb flash |
| 15:57.45 | prpplague | GPSFan: more than enough for a boot loader |
| 15:57.57 | prpplague | GPSFan: and/or hack a sd/mmc or xD/SM interface |
| 15:58.17 | GPSFan | prpplague: what is the interface to the camera itself? |
| 15:58.35 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: to answer your quetsion from a ways back - I don't know a whole hell of a lot about cameras |
| 15:58.55 | prpplague | GPSFan: its a memory mapped device, appears to be a small 8051 CoB that actually does the work |
| 15:59.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 15:59.27 | GPSFan | prpplague: any clue as to the resolution? |
| 16:01.42 | prpplague | GPSFan: for the juicebox? |
| 16:03.30 | GPSFan | prpplague: of the camera. |
| 16:04.15 | prpplague | GPSFan: oh sorry, no i would assum the pixter camera is similiar to the pixter lcd |
| 16:04.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: 160x160 |
| 16:04.44 | GPSFan | prpplague: www.linux-hacker.net is back... |
| 16:04.56 | prpplague | GPSFan: i don't have any specs for the pixter camera ccd |
| 16:05.04 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea noticed this morning |
| 16:05.36 | prpplague | GPSFan: http://www.elinux.org/wiki/PixterCamera |
| 16:06.02 | prpplague | GPSFan: the internals are 3 pcbs |
| 16:06.17 | prpplague | GPSFan: 1 main card, 2 second board with 8051, 3 camera module |
| 16:06.26 | prpplague | GPSFan: i figure i'll remove 2 and 3 |
| 16:06.42 | prpplague | GPSFan: just use the main card with some hack for sd/mmc or xD |
| 16:06.56 | GPSFan | prpplague: 160 x 160 sounds reasonable, wow lots of stuff inside.. |
| 16:07.06 | prpplague | yea its packed |
| 16:07.16 | prpplague | GPSFan: best thing is that it screws together |
| 16:07.25 | GPSFan | indeed.. |
| 16:07.34 | prpplague | GPSFan: and their are seperate mounting points for each of the board areas |
| 16:07.53 | prpplague | GPSFan: i think the camera is the best bet for hacking |
| 16:07.53 | GPSFan | prpplague: made to be a development board.. |
| 16:07.57 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea |
| 16:09.10 | GPSFan | prpplague: can that flash be re-written without too many cuts & jumpers? |
| 16:09.41 | prpplague | GPSFan: thats what i'm checking now |
| 16:10.14 | GPSFan | ;>) |
| 16:10.14 | prpplague | GPSFan: i've not had enough time to double check the traces |
| 16:10.21 | prpplague | GPSFan: but i figure we can hack it |
| 16:10.44 | prpplague | GPSFan: with the fact it already has the flash and its mounted helps |
| 16:10.56 | prpplague | GPSFan: most people have trouble with the flash part |
| 16:11.39 | prpplague | GPSFan: i started apex from ram so we have a bootloader |
| 16:12.01 | prpplague | GPSFan: cheap arm720t dev board at the outside |
| 16:14.07 | prpplague | davidc___: ping |
| 16:14.19 | prpplague | GPSFan: i've ordered some of those camera on sparkfun |
| 16:14.26 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - Google is looking for people in Zurich |
| 16:14.36 | prpplague | http://www.elinux.org/wiki/SparkfunCamera |
| 16:14.38 | CosmicPenguin | That would be a fun gig for a few years |
| 16:14.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: if you were single, hehe |
| 16:15.01 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - the wif wouldn't like that |
| 16:21.24 | GPSFan | prpplague: yeah, the SparkFun camera really looks interesting, there seems to be quite a bit of progress in getting it working too. |
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| 16:28.48 | sorphin | ok, who's awake? |
| 16:29.21 | agaffney | or did you mean someone who knows stuff? :P |
| 16:29.51 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:29.53 | sorphin | actually |
| 16:30.02 | sorphin | using some code |
| 16:30.08 | sorphin | it does some byteswapping |
| 16:30.28 | sorphin | on 32 and 64 bit things |
| 16:30.47 | sorphin | this code doesn't work on a sparc, works on an intel |
| 16:31.28 | sorphin | would the bswap be endian'ing it, and if i nuke the swap it'll be fine, or do i need to do some other endian magic? |
| 16:33.57 | sorphin | GPSFan: now there's a guy that would know |
| 16:34.02 | sorphin | :) |
| 16:34.21 | sorphin | agaffney: an intel is little endian, a sparc is big endian |
| 16:34.33 | sorphin | this code does a byteswap |
| 16:34.40 | agaffney | I understand that |
| 16:34.50 | agaffney | I just never figured out exactly what that meant :) |
| 16:35.01 | sorphin | find bytesex.h |
| 16:35.02 | sorphin | :) |
| 16:36.07 | CosmicPenguin | It depends on what you're swaping for - you going out on the nextwork? |
| 16:36.25 | GPSFan | sorphin: howdy, there was just an issue on busybox hdparm not working on ppc but working on LE boxen that was due to endian issues. |
| 16:37.52 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: here's what they're doing |
| 16:38.45 | sorphin | #define bswap32(x) (rol32 ((unsigned long)(x), 8) & 0x00ff00ff | ror32 ((unsigned long)(x), 8) & 0xff00ff00) |
| 16:38.57 | sorphin | #define rol32(x, n) _lrotl (x, n) |
| 16:39.09 | sorphin | #define ror32(x, n) _lrotr (x, n) |
| 16:39.19 | sorphin | #define _lrotr(x, n) ((((unsigned long)(x)) >> ((int) ((n) & 31))) | (((unsigned long)(x)) << ((int) ((-(n)) & 31)))) |
| 16:39.19 | sorphin | #define _lrotl(x, n) ((((unsigned long)(x)) << ((int) ((n) & 31))) | (((unsigned long)(x)) >> ((int) ((-(n)) & 31)))) |
| 16:39.27 | sorphin | all the 'applicable functions' |
| 16:42.05 | sorphin | so they'll call bswap32 on a serial number which is a string converted to a long |
| 16:42.24 | sorphin | is the swap for endian purposes or other purposes from the looks of how they're doing it ? |
| 16:42.48 | sorphin | if it's not for endianess, how hard would it be to swap it endian correct? |
| 16:43.26 | CosmicPenguin | wow - that code is ugly |
| 16:43.36 | CosmicPenguin | it looks like it is for endian swaping though |
| 16:47.34 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm |
| 16:47.37 | CosmicPenguin | git frustrates me |
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| 16:49.12 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: ok |
| 16:49.31 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, i've been doing alot of reading on it |
| 16:49.43 | prpplague | GPSFan: some of the imaging techniques are very interesting |
| 16:50.02 | prpplague | GPSFan: next time i get a new digital camera i'm gonna get one that does a raw bayer imager |
| 17:01.50 | prpplague | http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5816 |
| 17:01.52 | prpplague | interesting |
| 17:03.48 | prpplague | davidc___: ping |
| 17:15.50 | prpplague | hehe, koen just made to the island |
| 17:41.12 | prpplague | koen is one of the OE devrs from NL |
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| 18:33.10 | jbevren | ah cool |
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| 19:16.07 | flyback | that reminds me |
| 19:16.13 | flyback | have you guys seen mini pixter |
| 19:16.22 | flyback | $10 keychain size |
| 19:16.44 | flyback | I am sure it's only a 4 or 8 bit mcu but it might be worth hacking up as a display with a brain for attaching to something larger |
| 19:43.13 | jbevren | url? :P |
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| 20:01.34 | sorphin | who remembers anything about bit masking? |
| 20:01.49 | prpplague | sorphin: hehe i can recommend some good articles |
| 20:01.53 | prpplague | sorphin: whatcha need? |
| 20:02.20 | sorphin | ok |
| 20:02.40 | sorphin | trying to understand how to re-extract the time from this code, so i'm trying to understand what he's doing here.. |
| 20:03.00 | prpplague | sorphin: ok |
| 20:03.00 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.00 | sorphin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.04 | sorphin | i = (t & -2); |
| 20:03.18 | MonMotha | well, the first thing to do is turn that -2 into a real mask |
| 20:03.29 | prpplague | wow love those magic numbers |
| 20:03.40 | MonMotha | and convert 0x806880 to decimal, where it will probably be somewhat more meaningful |
| 20:05.11 | flyback | got it |
| 20:05.14 | flyback | jbevren |
| 20:05.15 | flyback | http://store.curiousmindsllc.com/popica.html |
| 20:05.59 | prpplague | sorphin: that is some terrrible code |
| 20:06.08 | sorphin | prpplague: a russian wrote it ;) |
| 20:06.22 | sorphin | MonMotha: but what is the mask _doing_? |
| 20:06.52 | MonMotha | should be getting rid of some lower bits, in other words quantizing the time |
| 20:07.06 | MonMotha | since -2 will be mostly 1s |
| 20:07.15 | prpplague | sorphin: probably creating something like a "every 2 hours" or something |
| 20:07.47 | prpplague | sorphin: or masking it out to provide just minutes |
| 20:07.49 | MonMotha | you mean that's the actual source, not from a disassembly? |
| 20:07.53 | sorphin | right |
| 20:08.15 | sorphin | it's that bugtraq posting of a securid emulator |
| 20:08.19 | sorphin | that the dude wrote |
| 20:08.24 | sorphin | and i've validated it works |
| 20:08.28 | MonMotha | wow... |
| 20:08.33 | sorphin | and i have some _legit_ uses for it |
| 20:08.45 | sorphin | like verifiying people's broken fobs |
| 20:08.50 | sorphin | without having to ask them for what it's showing |
| 20:08.55 | MonMotha | either he implemented that method from a disassembly of something else, not knowing (or caring) what it did, just that it behaved the same, or the person needs to be shot |
| 20:09.15 | sorphin | he reverse engineered the ACE Server to understand it |
| 20:09.21 | sorphin | MonMotha: http://seclists.org/lists/bugtraq/2000/Dec/0459.html |
| 20:09.34 | MonMotha | hum, in that case it probably was just a high-level transcription from a disassembly |
| 20:09.37 | MonMotha | so it's excusable |
| 20:09.57 | sorphin | all i'm trying to do at this point, is where it prints the list of upcoming token codes |
| 20:10.05 | sorphin | to print the 'time' in a more readable format |
| 20:10.11 | sorphin | and well, to understand it |
| 20:10.12 | sorphin | lol |
| 20:10.34 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: guess i should read the top |
| 20:10.38 | sorphin | "Least Significant First byte order is assumed " |
| 20:10.41 | MonMotha | that actually looks like it's exactly what he did. Those formats are consistant with what IDA would give you |
| 20:10.51 | prpplague | sorphin: securid emulator? |
| 20:11.19 | flyback | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 20:11.28 | flyback | securid emulator? |
| 20:11.29 | sorphin | prpplague: you give it the 'encrypted 64 bit key' for your token fob which i can extract from our ace server |
| 20:11.34 | MonMotha | it tries to autodetect what format is most appropriate, but often gets it wrong for things lke masks (which it will present as signed decimal because most C programmers don't bother with "unsigned") or large constants (which it will present as hex, even if they're more meaningful in decimal) |
| 20:11.37 | sorphin | and your fob's serial number |
| 20:11.40 | flyback | oh hell we are screwed |
| 20:11.43 | sorphin | and it will predict |
| 20:11.43 | flyback | if that system is broken |
| 20:11.46 | sorphin | all the upcoming tokens |
| 20:11.47 | prpplague | sorphin: fob? |
| 20:11.56 | sorphin | fob = keyfob |
| 20:11.58 | MonMotha | flyback: it doesn't sound all that broken |
| 20:12.03 | MonMotha | you still need to know two secrets |
| 20:12.04 | sorphin | it's not broken |
| 20:12.06 | flyback | oh whew |
| 20:12.07 | sorphin | yep |
| 20:12.07 | MonMotha | the secret from both ends |
| 20:12.11 | flyback | cause I seen that system it's pretty cool |
| 20:12.21 | MonMotha | if you have both of those, who cares. You probably already have the access required to egt around it |
| 20:12.24 | prpplague | sorphin: oh that makes more sense, not |
| 20:12.26 | flyback | I know banks etc use it |
| 20:12.29 | sorphin | uhh |
| 20:12.40 | MonMotha | prpplague: things like USB flash drives are often known as "keyfobs" |
| 20:12.42 | sorphin | prpplague: you can carry it on your keys :P |
| 20:12.56 | MonMotha | see also "wall wart" :) |
| 20:13.05 | sorphin | MonMotha: so.. can you understand it? :) |
| 20:13.16 | prpplague | MonMotha: odd, never heard that |
| 20:13.21 | flyback | hey would you guys like to know how to build a seagate terminal adaptor |
| 20:13.26 | MonMotha | sorphin: change the giant hex number into unsigned decimal and the -2 into hex and see if it makes more sense |
| 20:13.27 | flyback | it works with some other brand hard drives also |
| 20:13.33 | flyback | lets you talk to the dsp low level |
| 20:13.34 | prpplague | MonMotha: what does FOB stand for |
| 20:13.36 | flyback | see commands it's exec etc |
| 20:13.37 | MonMotha | prpplague: no clue :) |
| 20:13.53 | prpplague | odd that i have never heard that |
| 20:14.01 | flyback | http://hddguru.com/content/en/articles/2005.10.01-Seagate-RS-232-adapter-schematic/ |
| 20:14.07 | MonMotha | yeah, it seems pretty common |
| 20:14.26 | sorphin | MonMotha: what would it become (the -2 / -4 mask)? |
| 20:14.49 | MonMotha | flyback: well shoot, I've got that built on a protoboard already. That's your run of the mill RS-232/TTL adapter |
| 20:14.56 | flyback | yeah I know that |
| 20:15.02 | flyback | but I didn't know that you can do that to a hd |
| 20:15.07 | flyback | that's the part I wanted to tell you guys about |
| 20:15.13 | MonMotha | sorphin: subtract one (making it -3), take the absolute value (3), flip all the bits |
| 20:15.24 | sorphin | err |
| 20:15.25 | sorphin | right |
| 20:15.34 | MonMotha | so it's masking off the bottom two bits |
| 20:15.36 | sorphin | i'll pretend i understand that |
| 20:15.37 | sorphin | :) |
| 20:15.37 | flyback | i'd use an external power source too |
| 20:15.46 | flyback | I don't trust drawnig anything off the serial port |
| 20:15.51 | MonMotha | so effectively rounding the number down to the next lowest multiple of 4 |
| 20:16.22 | sorphin | MonMotha: you'd probably love this book i'm about to read |
| 20:16.27 | sorphin | tons of math :P |
| 20:16.35 | MonMotha | sorphin: I am minoring in math... |
| 20:16.40 | MonMotha | though that's pretty simple that I just did |
| 20:16.52 | sorphin | MonMotha: Handbook of Applied Cryptography |
| 20:16.58 | sorphin | since they released it free, i printed it out |
| 20:17.01 | sorphin | all 816 pages |
| 20:17.28 | prpplague | flyback: no more urls today |
| 20:17.28 | MonMotha | actually, I think I did that wrong. I mixed up going backwards and forwards |
| 20:17.36 | MonMotha | basically, you just want the two's complement representation of -2 |
| 20:18.01 | MonMotha | so take 2, flip the bits, add 1 |
| 20:18.21 | MonMotha | ...FFFE should be the answer you get |
| 20:18.27 | MonMotha | so it's masking off the lowest bit noly |
| 20:18.29 | MonMotha | only |
| 20:18.37 | sorphin | well |
| 20:18.40 | sorphin | it was -4 |
| 20:18.44 | sorphin | i changed it to -2 |
| 20:18.48 | flyback | :( |
| 20:18.58 | sorphin | taht's how i got the right result for my 30 second token |
| 20:19.04 | sorphin | -4 works for my 60 second |
| 20:19.58 | MonMotha | sorphin: basically, take the two's complement form if the number you have and work it out in binary or hex. That's your bit mask |
| 20:20.31 | sorphin | ok, i'm a bit rusty... 2's complement? |
| 20:20.40 | sorphin | i've been outta college for years :) |
| 20:27.50 | prpplague | sorphin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two's_complement |
| 20:33.22 | prpplague | sorphin: 2 in binary is 00000010 , ones compliment is 11111101 , twos compliment would be 11111110 |
| 20:33.51 | prpplague | sorphin: or 0xFE |
| 20:39.37 | prpplague | sorphin: so basically its striping the 0x01 value |
| 20:50.28 | sorphin | and now i remember why i suck at math |
| 20:50.28 | sorphin | lol |
| 20:51.23 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:53.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ping |
| 20:53.50 | CosmicPenguin | pong |
| 20:54.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: /proc/meminfo in 2.6 |
| 20:54.05 | sorphin | so... 4 in 2's complement would be.. |
| 20:54.13 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: itsa file |
| 20:54.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: it shows values for Vmalloc |
| 20:54.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i have 32mb ram, and Vmalloc is showing something like 423300kb |
| 20:55.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that doesn't seem correct |
| 20:55.40 | CosmicPenguin | I don't know exactly what Vmalloc means, to tell you the honest ruth |
| 20:55.50 | jbevren | virtual memory allocate |
| 20:56.12 | jbevren | either a request for virtual mem, or a total in use |
| 20:56.12 | prpplague | sorphin: 4 in binary is 00000100 , ones compliment is 11111011 , twos compliment is 11111100 |
| 20:56.26 | jbevren | prpplague: Two's? bah |
| 20:56.26 | jbevren | hehe |
| 20:56.51 | prpplague | jbevren: i do it wrong? |
| 20:57.07 | jbevren | prpplague: I only understand one's |
| 20:57.08 | prpplague | hmm, but should it be 400mb? |
| 20:57.08 | jbevren | :) |
| 20:59.38 | prpplague | sorphin: or 0xFC |
| 21:00.11 | jbevren | aha |
| 21:00.15 | prpplague | sorphin: which, if used in the same context as the other, would strip 0x03 |
| 21:00.16 | jbevren | sparkfun replied re: the spi controller |
| 21:00.21 | jbevren | looks like they'll be selling it :D |
| 21:00.25 | prpplague | jbevren: ?? |
| 21:00.26 | jbevren | er |
| 21:00.28 | jbevren | spi ethernet |
| 21:00.32 | jbevren | the one you linked me to on the wiki |
| 21:00.33 | jbevren | Looks like a really neat new ethernet controller. And, Olimex has |
| 21:00.34 | jbevren | already got a dev board for it. We are a little behind, but we'll get |
| 21:00.34 | jbevren | the new products on order asap. |
| 21:00.35 | prpplague | jbevren: the enc28j60 from olimex? |
| 21:00.45 | prpplague | jbevren: oh ok |
| 21:00.53 | prpplague | jbevren: you give them the link to the wiki? |
| 21:00.56 | jbevren | yeah |
| 21:11.09 | jbevren | they obviously read the page on the wiki, given they found the olimex devboard :) |
| 21:11.21 | jbevren | I figured they'd go for it since a few of their devboards are actually olimex ones |
| 21:18.13 | sorphin | changing from -2 to 0xFC |
| 21:18.15 | sorphin | broke it |
| 21:18.36 | jbevren | what's the type of variable youre changing? |
| 21:19.07 | sorphin | signed long |
| 21:19.12 | jbevren | ah |
| 21:19.16 | jbevren | 0xfc is an 8bit complement |
| 21:19.22 | jbevren | you'll need a 64bit complement |
| 21:19.27 | prpplague | jbevren: have to do it for the right number of bits |
| 21:19.30 | jbevren | nod |
| 21:19.34 | prpplague | sorry that was for you sorphin |
| 21:19.39 | jbevren | add F's before the c to make it 64 bits |
| 21:19.41 | jbevren | hehe |
| 21:19.41 | sorphin | ok.. |
| 21:19.47 | jbevren | i.e. sign-extend the byte |
| 21:19.52 | sorphin | FCFCFCFC ? |
| 21:19.56 | jbevren | FFFFF...c |
| 21:19.56 | sorphin | heh |
| 21:20.06 | jbevren | 64bits.. hm 16 digits in hex |
| 21:20.13 | jbevren | 0xffff ffff ffff fffc |
| 21:20.38 | jbevren | prpplague: that's two's complement? |
| 21:20.42 | jbevren | maybe I understand it more than I thought |
| 21:20.58 | jbevren | I just know sign extends (motorola m68k 'sex' opcode) |
| 21:20.58 | jbevren | hehe |
| 21:21.22 | prpplague | jbevren: yea that should be correct |
| 21:21.47 | jbevren | here's how I understand negatives in binary, |
| 21:21.53 | sorphin | any of you looked at the link i posted to the emulator? |
| 21:21.58 | jbevren | you understand how, in an 8bit register, ff+1 = 00 + carry |
| 21:22.07 | sorphin | btw.. the 0xFFF....C worked |
| 21:22.08 | jbevren | so, 00-1 = ff - carry |
| 21:22.09 | jbevren | :) |
| 21:22.16 | sorphin | jbevren: uh |
| 21:22.31 | sorphin | i've never understood that genre of math :P |
| 21:22.32 | jbevren | it rolls under the same as it rolls over |
| 21:22.33 | sorphin | shifting |
| 21:22.34 | sorphin | masking |
| 21:22.38 | sorphin | etc |
| 21:22.41 | jbevren | its not shifting or masking, really. its just limits |
| 21:22.45 | jbevren | over and underflow |
| 21:23.01 | jbevren | they tried to explain it to me in college, with notes about sign bits etc |
| 21:23.02 | sorphin | well, my built in FPU was defective at birth ;) |
| 21:23.16 | jbevren | I already understood it in high school another way lol |
| 21:23.22 | sorphin | math is my weak suit |
| 21:23.26 | jbevren | mine too |
| 21:23.32 | sorphin | and yet |
| 21:23.39 | sorphin | i'm gonna read a book on crypto |
| 21:23.39 | jbevren | but I was the nerd in high school that sat in study hall and read computer hardware manuals |
| 21:23.40 | sorphin | lol |
| 21:24.08 | jbevren | by time I turned 25, I knew more about the commodore 64 than the designers did |
| 21:24.13 | jbevren | that said, most c64 programmers do |
| 21:24.32 | jbevren | how the video chip misbehaves if you poke it within 1microsecond timings |
| 21:24.34 | jbevren | etc |
| 21:24.39 | sorphin | ok, so wtf can i do with this time? |
| 21:24.53 | jbevren | sorphin: -3 = ? |
| 21:24.54 | jbevren | lol |
| 21:25.02 | sorphin | uhh |
| 21:25.06 | sorphin | not what i meant |
| 21:25.13 | jbevren | sok, I was joking anyway |
| 21:25.26 | sorphin | i mean the timecode the program gives me back for each token |
| 21:25.31 | sorphin | nod |
| 21:25.48 | jbevren | I think my radioshack calc does two's complement in hex mode |
| 21:26.59 | sorphin | nod |
| 21:27.03 | jbevren | I wonder wehre that thing is |
| 21:27.10 | jbevren | it has a whole 1025 bytes of available ram |
| 21:27.12 | jbevren | hehe :) |
| 21:27.20 | sorphin | nod |
| 21:27.31 | jbevren | I started out with their electronics one that converted amps, ohms, etc |
| 21:28.00 | jbevren | sorphin: compression and crypto are things I dont think I'll ever touch heh |
| 21:28.07 | jbevren | aside from the cheesy xor encoding method :) |
| 21:28.12 | sorphin | compression, i don't care about |
| 21:28.22 | sorphin | ~rot13 jbevren is a freak |
| 21:28.22 | purl | woriera vf n sernx |
| 21:28.32 | jbevren | heh |
| 21:28.35 | jbevren | rot13's nice too |
| 21:28.37 | sorphin | 133t encryption ;) |
| 21:28.48 | jbevren | /bin/sh: fortune: command not found |
| 21:28.49 | jbevren | bah |
| 21:28.52 | sorphin | hahaha |
| 21:28.58 | jbevren | I could have sworn I had it installed on that box |
| 21:29.19 | jbevren | its a productive waste of space |
| 21:39.43 | flyback | jbe did you get the url you asked for? |
| 21:40.07 | jbevren | oh |
| 21:40.09 | jbevren | I missed it |
| 21:40.13 | jbevren | I was out for lunch heh |
| 21:40.36 | flyback | HERE |
| 21:40.38 | flyback | http://store.curiousmindsllc.com/popica.html |
| 21:41.07 | jbevren | thanks |
| 21:41.42 | flyback | np |
| 21:42.26 | jbevren | it would surprise me littel to find a philips LPC in there |
| 21:44.31 | flyback | they were like $8 walmart |
| 21:44.33 | flyback | I was tempted |
| 21:44.39 | jbevren | heh |
| 21:44.43 | jbevren | shame there's no walmart nearby |
| 21:44.46 | jbevren | I'd get one just to open it |
| 21:44.48 | jbevren | :D |
| 21:44.53 | flyback | yeah mabye I will later :) |
| 21:44.56 | jbevren | did you see if its screwed or snapped together? |
| 21:45.03 | flyback | nope |
| 21:45.07 | jbevren | doh ;) |
| 21:47.04 | flyback | $15 kmart |
| 21:47.39 | jbevren | 16.99 is the list price on your url |
| 21:50.09 | flyback | well google is canucked |
| 21:50.13 | flyback | I dunno what happen the last 6 months |
| 21:50.18 | flyback | but I can't get any good search hits |
| 21:50.24 | flyback | ask isn't thrilling me either |
| 21:51.16 | jbevren | google is being taken over by SEO sites |
| 21:53.36 | flyback | SEO ? |
| 21:54.58 | jbevren | search engine optimization |
| 21:55.02 | jbevren | to summarize, |
| 21:55.16 | jbevren | its a website that gives google a different page from what we get in order to increase page rank |
| 21:55.23 | flyback | ah |
| 21:55.27 | jbevren | then its most often a search engine or link list in itself |
| 21:55.29 | jbevren | I hate em |
| 21:55.30 | flyback | hopefully google will find a way to deal with that |
| 21:55.38 | jbevren | allegedly, google doesnt allow it |
| 21:55.47 | jbevren | but a large mjority of google search results give you them |
| 21:56.09 | CosmicPenguin | but if the google bot is being gamed, there is no way for it to know it |
| 21:57.32 | jbevren | I think it should scan twice |
| 21:57.36 | jbevren | once with ua=googlebot |
| 21:57.41 | jbevren | once with ua=mozilla |
| 21:57.47 | jbevren | if hte page changes, reject it |
| 21:57.59 | jbevren | mwahahah :D |
| 21:58.03 | CosmicPenguin | they wouldn't have to do that every time, just on unknown pages |
| 21:58.14 | CosmicPenguin | you should work for Google |
| 21:58.15 | jbevren | possibly |
| 21:58.23 | CosmicPenguin | they're hiring you know |
| 21:58.26 | ohsix | that's what they do :) |
| 21:58.38 | flyback | http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1973992,00.asp |
| 21:58.41 | flyback | :D |
| 21:58.42 | jbevren | that bypasses searchengine-optimized forum output tho.. some forums recognize spiders and dont send pages with image links etc in that case |
| 21:58.45 | flyback | soon as I get a job |
| 21:58.47 | flyback | I am buying one |
| 21:59.22 | jbevren | I want a mips or arm one |
| 21:59.26 | jbevren | pref mips with a real fpu |
| 21:59.41 | flyback | speaking of |
| 21:59.49 | jbevren | I'd love to have a meso 999 |
| 21:59.53 | flyback | does anyone know if anyone has ever tried to support the fpu in the webpal |
| 21:59.56 | jbevren | 1.2ghz sparcbook |
| 21:59.59 | flyback | cirrus 7500FE cpu? |
| 22:00.00 | flyback | arm |
| 22:00.34 | jbevren | that's in the laptop? |
| 22:00.40 | flyback | no |
| 22:00.46 | jbevren | http://www.simtec.co.uk/products/EB7500ATX/ |
| 22:00.51 | jbevren | looks arm |
| 22:01.05 | *** join/#edev davidc___ (n=davidc__@S01060002b360aacd.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 22:01.18 | flyback | Cirrus Logic CLPS7500FE |
| 22:01.23 | flyback | that's what is in my webpal |
| 22:02.25 | flyback | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%24100_laptop |
| 22:02.29 | flyback | there you go jbe |
| 22:02.35 | flyback | amd geode 533 |
| 22:02.58 | jbevren | bah |
| 22:03.02 | jbevren | unexciting :) |
| 22:04.14 | flyback | dude |
| 22:04.19 | flyback | stop thinking hot rod |
| 22:04.24 | flyback | think portable cheap terminal |
| 22:10.18 | flyback | if you can't make use of that system bro you got a problem |
| 22:13.57 | CosmicPenguin | geodes suck |
| 22:23.40 | sorphin | CosmicPenguin: so, i'm guessing it was totally a $$ thing going from AMD to Intel? |
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| 22:25.13 | prpplague | davidc___: ping |
| 23:30.34 | MonMotha | who was in here a few days ago looking for USB host on a uC? |
| 23:31.32 | prpplague | MonMotha: i think there was some discussion with the misconception that i was |
| 23:31.54 | MonMotha | no, somebody else was asking for it, specifically on an AVR |
| 23:32.01 | prpplague | oh |
| 23:32.06 | prpplague | sorry don't know |
| 23:32.11 | MonMotha | it turns out that the OTG supporting AT90USB series support limited plain host mode, not just the OTG stuff |
| 23:49.14 | flyback | whoa |
| 23:49.18 | flyback | owns your canuck! |
| 23:49.55 | flyback | man usb is going to go down in history as one of the smarter moves in the computer industry |
| 23:50.11 | flyback | do they give you a stack in the mcu |
| 23:50.18 | flyback | usb protocol stack or do you have to write one |