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| 01:45.53 | jbevren | hmm |
| 01:46.06 | jbevren | all the dma enables are off |
| 01:46.09 | jbevren | all the timer irq's are off |
| 01:46.10 | jbevren | heh |
| 01:50.44 | davidc___ | prpplague: pong |
| 01:51.10 | jbevren | hrm |
| 01:51.11 | jbevren | confusoin |
| 01:51.19 | jbevren | if dma and timers are off |
| 01:51.22 | jbevren | what else is tehre :X |
| 01:51.30 | prpplague | davidc___: hey hey |
| 01:51.40 | prpplague | davidc___: just checking to see if you've read my post |
| 01:52.48 | davidc___ | ok, I'll re setup my test rig tonight |
| 01:52.56 | prpplague | davidc___: also - http://www.jrobot.net/Projects/AVRcam.html |
| 01:53.00 | prpplague | davidc___: open source GPL |
| 01:53.06 | prpplague | davidc___: schematics and all |
| 01:53.13 | prpplague | davidc___: its on an OV camera |
| 01:53.26 | prpplague | davidc___: but its modifiable to work with the HV7131 |
| 01:54.27 | davidc___ | hrm... I assume they're actually clocking the AVR based on the pclk of the chip |
| 01:54.43 | davidc___ | I rejected that approach because I couldn't find a datasheet that would tell me on what clock phase it would latch my data |
| 01:54.58 | davidc___ | also, you'd have to read a byte on every clock, which I couldn't figure out how to... |
| 01:55.20 | davidc___ | er wait, nm |
| 01:55.52 | prpplague | davidc___: jsut figured it might give us some more info |
| 01:55.56 | davidc___ | ya |
| 01:56.04 | davidc___ | I'm just scratching my head as to how in hell it works :P |
| 01:56.29 | davidc___ | I have some binary dumps that I captured... feel like looking at them for your interest? |
| 01:56.38 | davidc___ | [from the camera] |
| 01:57.01 | prpplague | davidc___: yes please |
| 01:57.08 | prpplague | davidc___: dave123_aml@yahoo.com |
| 01:57.55 | davidc___ | prpplague: I'll just stick it on my webspace |
| 01:57.57 | prpplague | davidc___: you setup the camera up for bayer 8-bit output before the capture right? |
| 01:58.01 | davidc___ | yup |
| 01:58.03 | prpplague | davidc___: ahh ok |
| 01:58.04 | davidc___ | [I think] |
| 01:58.36 | davidc___ | hrm.. finding where I put them is proving to be challenging |
| 01:58.38 | davidc___ | this could take a while |
| 01:58.47 | prpplague | np, just post the url |
| 01:58.53 | prpplague | i'm soon to bed, long day |
| 01:59.39 | flyback | HEH |
| 01:59.44 | flyback | I haev a canuckload of cmos sensors |
| 01:59.45 | davidc___ | k, found it |
| 01:59.47 | flyback | from dead cams etc |
| 01:59.55 | flyback | I should see if any are worth hacking to a mcu or something |
| 02:01.22 | davidc___ | prpplague: http://david.carne.ca/cam_img/ |
| 02:01.28 | prpplague | davidc___: you remember what you set the start row and column at? |
| 02:02.05 | davidc___ | IIRC I started capturing bytes right after vsync + hsync went right |
| 02:02.33 | prpplague | davidc___: right, but you have to use the i2c interface to set the start row and column, as well as the window size |
| 02:02.47 | davidc___ | think I left them at defaults |
| 02:03.18 | davidc___ | btw - if you have a list of experiments you want me to try - aka, these I2C settings / this color - just email me @ davidcarne@shaw.ca.. I'll be happy to oblige |
| 02:04.09 | prpplague | davidc___: this doesn't look like bayer data |
| 02:04.15 | davidc___ | prpplague: I know :/ |
| 02:04.18 | davidc___ | but the registers are set right |
| 02:04.18 | prpplague | davidc___: this looks to be the syntized rgb |
| 02:04.32 | davidc___ | yeah.. I know - but the registers are set right :P |
| 02:05.38 | prpplague | davidc___: if you can do the tests i mentioned on the forum that would be nice |
| 02:05.50 | prpplague | davidc___: i'm still waiting on my cameras to arrive |
| 02:06.02 | davidc___ | k |
| 02:06.22 | davidc___ | and btw - in the bayer modes I tend to get all 0's :/ |
| 02:06.27 | davidc___ | but I'll do a bunch of dumps |
| 02:06.47 | davidc___ | [and figure out why my fpga frame capture verilog keeps hanging] |
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| 02:12.15 | prpplague | davidc___: you took the camera out of test mode right? |
| 02:12.26 | davidc___ | prpplague: hrm? yeah, for those ones |
| 02:12.34 | davidc___ | the ones I took in test mode were very boring |
| 02:12.55 | davidc___ | thats pretty much taken the way it booted |
| 02:13.02 | davidc___ | with set to 8 bit bayer |
| 02:13.09 | prpplague | davidc___: hmm |
| 02:14.33 | davidc___ | yeah, doesn't make a terrible lot of sense does it? |
| 02:15.16 | prpplague | davidc___: not at the momment |
| 02:15.41 | prpplague | davidc___: when my cameras get here i'll have them hooked up to a arm920t board so i should be able to some detail diags |
| 02:15.53 | prpplague | davidc___: later |
| 02:15.54 | davidc___ | k |
| 02:15.56 | davidc___ | 'later |
| 02:37.38 | jbevren | hmm |
| 02:37.46 | jbevren | the lcd doesnt smoke when I put it in 16bit mode |
| 02:37.49 | jbevren | bonus. :) |
| 02:40.41 | jbevren | so when writing to ram in C, how do you set the write size? |
| 02:40.51 | jbevren | cast it to the right size? |
| 03:37.27 | jbevren | ccjoe: alive? heh |
| 03:37.30 | jbevren | guess not |
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| 04:09.38 | jbevren | the hell? |
| 04:09.46 | jbevren | you save a 160x160 image in the gimp as a c file |
| 04:09.51 | jbevren | it creates a 160x161 file |
| 04:16.07 | jbevren | so can anyone explain gimp's output format? |
| 04:16.30 | jbevren | if I offset it by 158 instead of 161, the image tears at 3 lines |
| 04:16.47 | jbevren | which means there isnt a constant number of pixels per line in the output |
| 04:30.31 | flyback | wtf |
| 04:30.38 | flyback | wtf do images have to do with coding |
| 04:36.56 | jbevren | flyback: you encode images in a format yoru compiler can understand so that you can include them in the program |
| 04:37.48 | flyback | WOCKA? WOCKA? |
| 04:40.39 | MonMotha | basically, you export the image as a giant array in C source format |
| 04:40.50 | jbevren | yep |
| 04:41.00 | jbevren | I manually generated such an array |
| 04:41.01 | jbevren | 160x160 |
| 04:41.08 | jbevren | but my routine is only reading 159 pels/line |
| 04:41.09 | jbevren | wtf? |
| 04:41.14 | MonMotha | off by one |
| 04:41.22 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.22 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.23 | MonMotha | < vs. <=? |
| 04:41.23 | jbevren | howso? |
| 04:41.32 | jbevren | widt = 160 |
| 04:41.34 | MonMotha | that should work |
| 04:41.36 | jbevren | <= should be? |
| 04:41.44 | jbevren | casue I want to go 0 to 159 |
| 04:41.47 | MonMotha | no, that's correct for a 0 index'd array |
| 04:41.49 | jbevren | (for indexing) |
| 04:41.55 | MonMotha | (which C arrays arE) |
| 04:42.01 | jbevren | its reading from char image[width*height*3] |
| 04:44.42 | MonMotha | the correct index for a nested loop using variables i < h and j < w as the iterators to read in sequence (assuming a single element per pixel) an image array of height h and width w would be [i*w + j] |
| 04:45.06 | MonMotha | or, even easier [i][j] |
| 04:45.15 | MonMotha | C does support 2-D arrays :) |
| 04:46.00 | jbevren | sigh |
| 04:46.10 | jbevren | MonMotha: gimp doesnt export the image as a 2d array |
| 04:46.17 | jbevren | I'd be exstatic if it exported it 3d |
| 04:46.20 | MonMotha | oh, then use the former thing |
| 04:46.38 | MonMotha | oh, it's packed RGB (not planar)? |
| 04:46.42 | jbevren | right |
| 04:46.59 | MonMotha | in that case [(i*w + j)*3 + n] where n = 0 gets R, 1 gets G, 2 gets B |
| 04:47.19 | jbevren | i? w? |
| 04:47.24 | jbevren | cartesian please :) |
| 04:47.30 | jbevren | i=x, w=j? |
| 04:47.32 | jbevren | er |
| 04:47.32 | jbevren | gah |
| 04:47.46 | MonMotha | i is generally accepted as the cartesian vector for the x axis |
| 04:47.54 | jbevren | not in my world lol |
| 04:48.16 | MonMotha | i = x, j = y, w = (constant) width, h = (constant) height |
| 04:48.23 | jbevren | 0,0... |
| 04:48.23 | jbevren | 159,0 |
| 04:48.23 | jbevren | 0,1 |
| 04:48.32 | jbevren | so its getting 160 pels/line |
| 04:48.44 | jbevren | anyway |
| 04:49.35 | MonMotha | for(i = 0; i < w; i++) { for(j = 0; j < h; j++) { for(k = 0; k < 3, k++) { dostuff(image[(i*w + j)*3 + k]) }}} |
| 04:50.05 | MonMotha | that would call dostuff on the image for red, green, blue of each pixel in normal raster scan order (horizontal then increment vertically) |
| 04:50.34 | MonMotha | you can of course generalize it to c color dimensions by replacing 3 with c |
| 04:50.45 | MonMotha | anyway, I need to get to bed |
| 04:59.24 | jbevren | same issue |
| 04:59.31 | jbevren | the more I correct it the moer it stays |
| 04:59.36 | jbevren | it counts 160 pixels |
| 04:59.40 | jbevren | there are 160 pixels in the lnie |
| 04:59.43 | jbevren | it outputs 159 |
| 04:59.52 | jbevren | fg |
| 05:12.02 | jbevren | preposterous |
| 05:12.20 | jbevren | no matter how many times I try to get it to read 160 of 160 pixels, it reads 159 |
| 05:33.51 | jbevren | correction |
| 05:33.55 | jbevren | its outputting 158. |
| 05:37.16 | jbevren | flybackX: ping |
| 05:37.25 | jbevren | This is how code relates to images: |
| 05:37.27 | jbevren | http://jbevren.net/pixter/pixter-wideangle-eye.jpg |
| 05:37.45 | jbevren | oh, and the pixter has a 16bpp mode heh |
| 05:37.59 | jbevren | http://jbevren.net/pixter/pixter-lcd-eye.jpg |
| 05:45.37 | jbevren | and on that note |
| 05:45.43 | jbevren | zzz. |
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| 11:26.47 | prpplague | jbevren: nice nice work!!!! |
| 11:26.48 | prpplague | jbevren: got it doc'd on the wiki? |
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| 13:59.46 | jbevren | celebrate |
| 13:59.47 | jbevren | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/09/1228233&from=rss |
| 13:59.52 | jbevren | the net 'neutrality' bill was rejected |
| 14:00.07 | agaffney | whee! |
| 14:00.18 | jbevren | prpplague: I"ll document it some time, but today is crunch day for me |
| 14:02.19 | prpplague | jbevren: gotcha |
| 14:02.24 | prpplague | jbevren: nice work though |
| 14:02.34 | jbevren | nod |
| 14:06.41 | jbevren | prpplague: it was pretty straightforward at any rate |
| 14:06.51 | jbevren | run eye.c > out to make the binary img for the framebuffer |
| 14:07.04 | jbevren | objcopy to a srecord file set to the framebuffer's address |
| 14:07.24 | jbevren | set the fb to 16bpp (CTRL=0x829 iirc) |
| 14:07.28 | jbevren | and then upload the srec |
| 14:07.46 | jbevren | 16bpp is more like 15bpp on the mcu, |
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| 14:07.58 | jbevren | and I only used 12 of the bits, cause the upper 3 are some oddball 'intensity' bit |
| 14:10.11 | jbevren | prpplague: http://jbevren.net/pixter/debugstation.jpg |
| 14:10.15 | jbevren | like my wiggler? heh |
| 14:23.37 | prpplague | hehe cute |
| 14:23.39 | prpplague | looks nice |
| 14:23.50 | prpplague | hows the quality of the lcd? the pic seems good |
| 14:24.11 | jbevren | its pretty bright, and sharper without the touchscreen overlay ;) |
| 14:24.15 | jbevren | http://jbevren.net/pixter/pixter-lcd-eye.jpg |
| 14:24.35 | jbevren | btw that picture is (c) me |
| 14:24.36 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:24.58 | prpplague | jbevren: thats you? |
| 14:25.01 | jbevren | no |
| 14:25.05 | jbevren | I wish I were so hot |
| 14:25.08 | jbevren | it's a girl I know |
| 14:25.11 | prpplague | jbevren: oh |
| 14:25.21 | prpplague | oh you mean its copyright you |
| 14:25.26 | jbevren | yep heh |
| 14:25.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ho ho ho |
| 14:26.10 | jbevren | http://foreverbeyond.org/Jonas.html <- me |
| 14:26.17 | jbevren | in my old ugly big-lens glasses |
| 14:27.02 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, funny funny, loose the hair and we could pass for twins |
| 14:27.34 | jbevren | heh |
| 14:27.45 | jbevren | at one point, my hair was between my shoulderblades |
| 14:27.53 | jbevren | and my bangs at my throat if I tossed em forward |
| 14:28.02 | jbevren | pattern or shaved/cut? |
| 14:28.18 | prpplague | jbevren: a little of both |
| 14:28.21 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:28.26 | jbevren | I got a nice shiny spot in the back |
| 14:28.26 | prpplague | i keep what i have left cut |
| 14:28.35 | prpplague | man that rocks |
| 14:28.39 | prpplague | looks good dood |
| 14:28.55 | prpplague | i hope you doc that well, i've been looking for a good procedure for testing like htat |
| 14:28.55 | jbevren | anyway |
| 14:28.56 | prpplague | that |
| 14:29.08 | jbevren | that was generated externally and uploaded direct to the fb |
| 14:29.14 | jbevren | I dont know how to control the size of memory writes in C |
| 14:29.17 | prpplague | that cat 5 is kind thick for the jtag though |
| 14:29.19 | CosmicPenguin | you guys must be holding multiple conversations here |
| 14:29.20 | jbevren | otherwise I'd have tried a local copy :) |
| 14:29.21 | CosmicPenguin | you're freaking me out |
| 14:29.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 14:29.33 | jbevren | CosmicPenguin: we are. |
| 14:29.35 | jbevren | but only two |
| 14:29.38 | jbevren | heh |
| 14:29.43 | CosmicPenguin | <jbevren> I got a nice shiny spot in the back |
| 14:29.43 | CosmicPenguin | <prpplague> i keep what i have left cut |
| 14:29.46 | jbevren | I used to get 3-4 goign with a friend in #c-64 |
| 14:29.47 | CosmicPenguin | <prpplague> i hope you doc that well, i've been looking for a good procedure for testing like htat |
| 14:29.54 | CosmicPenguin | <jbevren> that was generated externally and uploaded direct to the fb |
| 14:30.12 | jbevren | CosmicPenguin: hush, you :) |
| 14:30.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:30.30 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea i guess that would be confusing |
| 14:30.54 | jbevren | prp; shall we start a third thread haha |
| 14:33.53 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:34.02 | prpplague | too busy debugging a suspend issue |
| 14:51.28 | jbevren | suspending is easy |
| 14:51.31 | jbevren | resuming, however... :) |
| 14:52.08 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe yea |
| 14:52.28 | jbevren | I still feel kinda proud at getting that image to display heh |
| 14:52.33 | prpplague | jbevren: turns out jffs2 is leaving my nor flash not in read mode during suspend |
| 14:52.42 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe you should be |
| 14:52.54 | prpplague | jbevren: i was just praising your work over in hh.o |
| 14:52.59 | jbevren | woot |
| 14:53.09 | jbevren | post url? :D |
| 14:53.49 | prpplague | jbevren: yea i posted your debugstation |
| 14:53.59 | jbevren | maybe I should get a real website put up at jbevren.net some day |
| 14:54.01 | jbevren | heh |
| 14:54.07 | jbevren | handhelds.org? |
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| 14:54.18 | prpplague | jbevren: yea #handhelds.org |
| 14:54.22 | jbevren | ahh cool |
| 14:54.46 | jbevren | wow lotsa people :) |
| 15:01.32 | jbevren | btw the backlight led's on that thing are -bright- |
| 15:01.38 | jbevren | I want to get some to light my bench ;-) |
| 15:01.54 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:02.08 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm trying to think about a gui |
| 15:02.09 | jbevren | unfortunately, they dont have any noticeable markings |
| 15:02.20 | prpplague | jbevren: problem is we will only have about 1mb ram available |
| 15:02.28 | jbevren | what will the gui do? |
| 15:02.35 | jbevren | if it just sends commands upstream it'd be fairly simple |
| 15:02.57 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm thinking of using a cramfs-xip for the rootfs to reduce the need for ram |
| 15:03.09 | jbevren | nod |
| 15:03.14 | prpplague | jbevren: then use a sd/mmc or xD for the rest of the applications |
| 15:03.17 | jbevren | prpplague: dont want to use an XD card for storage? |
| 15:03.18 | jbevren | ah right |
| 15:03.25 | jbevren | just a cramfs initrd |
| 15:03.28 | jbevren | gotcha |
| 15:04.58 | prpplague | jbevren: well cramfs-xip |
| 15:05.04 | jbevren | ah |
| 15:05.07 | jbevren | exec in place |
| 15:05.08 | jbevren | nod. |
| 15:05.12 | prpplague | jbevren: which means all of the applications are linked to run from flash |
| 15:05.31 | prpplague | jbevren: man the pixels on that lcd seem large |
| 15:06.43 | jbevren | not too bad |
| 15:06.50 | jbevren | the lcd is a bit ghosty tho I think |
| 15:06.51 | CosmicPenguin | 160x120 |
| 15:06.56 | jbevren | its not -horrible- tho |
| 15:06.57 | CosmicPenguin | not too bad - a little small |
| 15:07.10 | jbevren | 160x120 + 40pixel control bar? :D |
| 15:07.21 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh? |
| 15:07.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you know that for sure? hehe |
| 15:07.26 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the ratio needs to be obeyed |
| 15:07.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: btw |
| 15:07.29 | CosmicPenguin | 4:3 |
| 15:07.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right |
| 15:07.36 | jbevren | the lcd's square, so yeah |
| 15:07.38 | CosmicPenguin | unless it is high def... :) |
| 15:07.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just meant within those bounds |
| 15:07.55 | jbevren | nod |
| 15:08.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: btw, the camera inferace on the Au rocks |
| 15:08.08 | CosmicPenguin | says who? |
| 15:08.09 | CosmicPenguin | I hate it |
| 15:08.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you used it? |
| 15:08.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: really? |
| 15:08.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i was reading the specs on it last night |
| 15:08.21 | CosmicPenguin | the code makes me tear up involuntarely |
| 15:08.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh, good silicon, bad code? |
| 15:08.58 | CosmicPenguin | I'm not committal about the silicon |
| 15:08.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the specs look wonderful |
| 15:09.06 | CosmicPenguin | its not bad, I don't think |
| 15:09.36 | prpplague | i wish more arm boards had that kind of camera interface |
| 15:11.01 | jbevren | note my hand-made jtag debugger heh |
| 15:11.04 | jbevren | wrong chan |
| 15:11.28 | jbevren | prpplague: that said, what gague should I use for jtagging? |
| 15:12.39 | prpplague | jbevren: you really should use something like part of an ide cable, with every other wire a ground |
| 15:12.46 | jbevren | nod |
| 15:12.46 | prpplague | jbevren: specially with that length |
| 15:12.51 | jbevren | gotcha |
| 15:12.58 | jbevren | I'm goign to put it on perfboard eventually |
| 15:13.02 | jbevren | that'll have the db25 mounted right on |
| 15:13.11 | jbevren | but yeah, the cable to the board will be signal-ground style |
| 15:13.23 | prpplague | jbevren: that i do is use a small piece of protoboard with a 2x7 pin header |
| 15:13.26 | jbevren | as it is, I rarely have data errors, even at 380khz |
| 15:13.36 | jbevren | nod |
| 15:13.46 | prpplague | jbevren: then i solder short wires from the protoboard to the device |
| 15:13.47 | jbevren | I'm going to stick an rs232 level shifter on it too |
| 15:13.48 | jbevren | heh |
| 15:14.03 | jbevren | a utility board of sorts |
| 15:14.05 | prpplague | jbevren: so you can use a standard ribbon cable/jtag stuff to the protoboard |
| 15:14.10 | prpplague | jbevren: yea |
| 15:14.19 | prpplague | jbevren: i've been refining the design |
| 15:14.36 | jbevren | I'll have to put a switch on reset tho |
| 15:14.45 | jbevren | ocd commander resets the cpu and then says its not there heh |
| 15:14.50 | jbevren | so I had to disconnect the reset line |
| 15:14.55 | prpplague | jbevren: basically i've got a small board with has solder pads for jtag, a rs-232 level shifter, and power supplies, 1.8, 2.8, 3.3 and 5v |
| 15:15.42 | prpplague | jbevren: i call it the "hack-assist board" |
| 15:15.48 | jbevren | nice |
| 15:15.56 | jbevren | I should get a variety of regulators |
| 15:16.00 | jbevren | I have 3.3v and 5v ones about |
| 15:16.15 | jbevren | I do have an atx psu on the bench though, so that gives me a fair number of voltages |
| 15:16.18 | jbevren | none of the <3.3v ones though |
| 15:19.18 | jbevren | loc: heh |
| 15:22.44 | prpplague | jbevren: there is a nice post on teamhackaday.com for someone who did a universal ps from an atx ps |
| 15:23.03 | jbevren | I just chopped the 20pin atx plug off and wired it to a barrier strip :) |
| 15:23.49 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, and that worked? |
| 15:24.00 | prpplague | jbevren: i thought there were some load issues as such |
| 15:24.09 | jbevren | not all psu's have that requirement |
| 15:24.12 | jbevren | mine's stable without load |
| 15:34.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ping |
| 15:34.32 | CosmicPenguin | pong |
| 15:34.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: olpc what exactly is the big thing about the swivel lcd panel? |
| 15:35.03 | CosmicPenguin | from what I am told, quanta talked them into it |
| 15:35.18 | CosmicPenguin | the point I guess is that you can swivel it back into a tablet configuration, the better for reading e-books |
| 15:35.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahhhh |
| 15:35.58 | prpplague | funny |
| 15:36.00 | CosmicPenguin | They questioned that at the PM summit, and Jim agreed that he was worried too |
| 15:36.18 | CosmicPenguin | but Quanta had all sorts of statistics about durability, etc... |
| 15:36.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i find it a large amount of work for very small gain |
| 15:36.26 | CosmicPenguin | not really |
| 15:36.29 | CosmicPenguin | the work is already done |
| 15:36.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no i mean in production and such |
| 15:36.44 | CosmicPenguin | thats what I mean |
| 15:36.51 | CosmicPenguin | quantas makes most of the worlds laptops already |
| 15:36.58 | CosmicPenguin | many of which feature the swivel |
| 15:37.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh, so they probably already have the manufactuering in place |
| 15:37.34 | CosmicPenguin | indeed |
| 15:37.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: funny olpc looks very similiar to my vtech i modified |
| 15:38.05 | CosmicPenguin | those kid friendly colors |
| 15:38.14 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:40.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://i10.ebayimg.com/03/i/06/e2/31/bd_1.JPG |
| 15:40.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the center green piece has been replaced with a 640x480 lcd |
| 15:44.59 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6721649686.html |
| 15:45.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: looks like via isn't learning from intel and amd |
| 16:03.07 | jbevren | hm. a small port of palmos to the pixter would be cool |
| 16:03.57 | prpplague | ~lart jbevren |
| 16:04.09 | prpplague | how perfect of a lart |
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| 16:33.46 | jbevren | prpplague: I did a sloppy edit to the PixterMultimediaLCD page |
| 16:33.47 | jbevren | :) |
| 16:34.15 | davidc___ | jbevren: how is that net neutrality thing cause for celebration?! |
| 16:35.58 | jbevren | davidc___: the net neutrailty bill would make it far too easy for providers to demand (by law) a division of the internet into tiers |
| 16:36.13 | davidc___ | er, it was the other way around :( |
| 16:36.20 | davidc___ | this was the bill that would have PREVENTED that |
| 16:36.43 | davidc___ | "Some fear the decision will mean net providers start deciding on behalf of customers which websites and services they can visit and use." |
| 16:36.50 | davidc___ | "The vote is a defeat for Google, eBay and Amazon which wanted the net neutrality principle protected by law." |
| 16:37.10 | prpplague | davidc___: hey |
| 16:37.15 | prpplague | davidc___: do any testing? |
| 16:37.18 | davidc___ | hey prpplague - not yet |
| 16:37.30 | davidc___ | lost my little atmega board I was using for my I2C programming |
| 16:37.33 | prpplague | davidc___: np, jsut checking |
| 16:37.36 | davidc___ | decided to build an I2c/serial adapter |
| 16:37.40 | davidc___ | its being.. interesting right now |
| 16:39.04 | davidc___ | jbevren: so yeah, after that decision, I'm glad I don't live in the US |
| 16:40.56 | jbevren | shrug |
| 16:41.08 | jbevren | We The People are already Screwed(TM) |
| 16:41.21 | prpplague | davidc___: where do you live? |
| 16:41.22 | davidc___ | eh.. time to move to sweden |
| 16:41.25 | jbevren | the patriot act is so broad for example that speeders can be taken in as terrorists |
| 16:41.25 | davidc___ | prpplague: canada |
| 16:41.32 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:42.26 | jbevren | sweden isn't so safe either (piratebay). Theyre bending to US laws too |
| 16:42.44 | agaffney | not neutral sweden! |
| 16:43.07 | prpplague | come to barbados, according to a UN report the #1 desitination for sex slaves, hehe |
| 16:43.17 | agaffney | heh |
| 16:43.18 | davidc___ | jbevren: eh, there's ahuge public outcry there right now about the TPB raid |
| 16:43.25 | davidc___ | heard that from a friend there |
| 16:43.28 | jbevren | davidc___: I know |
| 16:43.31 | jbevren | I've read about it |
| 16:43.41 | jbevren | and now pb is stronger and more (geologically) diverse than ever |
| 16:44.51 | prpplague | something i've learned in the last few years, no country has a perfect government |
| 16:45.11 | jbevren | too true |
| 16:45.26 | prpplague | its much like finding a woman, you just gotta find one with as few of annoying faults as possible P) |
| 16:45.31 | jbevren | but since the USA has devoted itself into becoming the largest terror organization on the planet, I'm not happy being a member of it |
| 16:45.56 | jbevren | some day, the proverbial straw on the camel's back will motivate me to find somewhere else |
| 16:46.09 | jbevren | meanwhile I'll just whine uselessly :) |
| 16:46.12 | prpplague | jbevren: choose wisely |
| 16:46.28 | prpplague | jbevren: lot of things here barbados scare me |
| 16:46.29 | davidc___ | eh... I just go and yell at my MP if stupid shit happens.. well not yell, he's a nice reasonable guy |
| 16:46.39 | jbevren | prpplague: like customs? :) |
| 16:46.59 | prpplague | davidc___: hehe you know the difference between a MoP and a mop ? |
| 16:47.11 | davidc___ | prpplague: one actually works? ;) |
| 16:47.17 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe yea |
| 16:47.22 | prpplague | davidc___: heard that one eh? |
| 16:47.32 | davidc___ | prpplague: nah, just thought it was the logical answer :P |
| 16:47.36 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:47.40 | davidc___ | nah, this guy is fairly good... actually has a brain in his head |
| 16:48.52 | prpplague | davidc___: hehe, well in the states we generall hope for our politicians to have his dick in his pants, not too much worried about brains |
| 16:49.02 | davidc___ | hahah |
| 16:49.45 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:50.06 | jbevren | or to not have a politician's agenda controlled by some large industry |
| 16:50.24 | jbevren | (no, thats not a generalization to the entertainment industry.. there are others too) |
| 16:53.20 | prpplague | the MoP's here don't do anything unless something bad has already happened |
| 16:53.29 | prpplague | they just don;t care |
| 16:53.42 | prpplague | they all drive very expensive cars and such |
| 16:53.55 | prpplague | they put on a good show but don't do much |
| 16:54.26 | prpplague | i've been trying for about a year to get some government regulation for auto batteries |
| 16:55.20 | prpplague | people complain about the lead problem with the local fish and stuff, but no one seems to want to connect the dots with all the used car batteries that are thrown out all over the island |
| 16:56.31 | prpplague | there is no agency here to regulate measurement standards, i.e. gas pumps and grocery scales |
| 16:57.50 | prpplague | there are two scrap metal companies on the island that pay for scrap but most people don't have a vehicle to move stuff like old washing machines and refrigerators so they litter the island |
| 16:58.06 | jbevren | sounds like a (small) moneymaker |
| 16:58.13 | jbevren | pick up junk and move it to the yards hehe |
| 16:58.37 | prpplague | it would take nothing to have a single truck, who would come around pick up the stuff for free and take it to the metal yard |
| 16:58.47 | jbevren | precisely |
| 16:58.51 | prpplague | what the metal yard would pay would help pay for the gas and such |
| 16:59.20 | davidc___ | eh, it would probably more than help |
| 16:59.37 | prpplague | and all the battery companies offer recycling of car batteries |
| 16:59.54 | prpplague | the gov needs to force a deposit on batteries so the old ones are returned for recycling |
| 17:01.13 | prpplague | and we have all these old lots of land along the coast area where the tourist are where they are planning to build hotels and such, but leave them full of trash and nasty looking for years before the projects get under way |
| 17:01.46 | prpplague | i'd say, if you are gonna leave the lot vacant for more than 45 days, you have to do some basic beautification to the lot |
| 17:02.10 | prpplague | i.e. reasonable fence, clean of trash, and plant some grass or something |
| 17:02.43 | prpplague | very very frustrating for me |
| 17:03.00 | prpplague | some things that i think are very basic, people here just don't seem to care |
| 17:35.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ha |
| 17:35.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000210073732/ |
| 17:35.48 | CosmicPenguin | fun |
| 17:38.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i want to hack those for a project |
| 17:38.25 | CosmicPenguin | Now that i have this BT dongle, I've been in a hacking mode |
| 17:50.44 | jbevren | heh |
| 17:50.48 | jbevren | I got a trio of dongles |
| 17:50.53 | jbevren | havent done much with em yet |
| 17:51.23 | CosmicPenguin | I found the AT commands for my phone |
| 17:51.36 | CosmicPenguin | I want to set up caller ID to pop up on my desktop with xosd |
| 17:52.00 | CosmicPenguin | Of course, I wanted to do that with my tuxscreen too but I didn't |
| 17:53.59 | jbevren | hahahahahah! |
| 17:54.00 | jbevren | too funny |
| 17:54.05 | jbevren | SCO claims they own the ELF format |
| 17:56.41 | davidc___ | yea.... |
| 17:56.50 | davidc___ | speaking of hacking.. have any of you guys looked at an iPod motherboard? |
| 17:56.54 | davidc___ | those things are crazy |
| 17:57.02 | jbevren | werent they members of the committee that granted free wordwide license to elf? |
| 17:57.05 | davidc___ | trying to find the jtag pins on that sucker |
| 17:57.10 | jbevren | davidc___: I havent |
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| 20:09.33 | flyback | is the ide bus protocol oriented? |
| 20:09.38 | flyback | I know atapi on top is |
| 20:09.49 | flyback | but the basic ide bus itself is basically like a parallel port right ? |
| 20:10.14 | jbevren | nto really |
| 20:10.19 | jbevren | its more like a memory device |
| 20:10.37 | jbevren | PIO mode ide can hook directly to a cpu bus, assuming proper decoding for the chip-select lines |
| 20:10.50 | jbevren | it doesnt access like ram of course, you have to send it commands over the bus |
| 20:11.00 | flyback | but it can do i/o thru pio |
| 20:11.04 | flyback | that's probably how that ide flasher works |
| 20:11.16 | jbevren | yeah, it can |
| 20:11.16 | flyback | I just kinda had an idea |
| 20:11.21 | flyback | when taking apart old cdrom drives |
| 20:11.24 | flyback | you got a |
| 20:11.24 | jbevren | PIO is the 100% compatibility level |
| 20:11.27 | flyback | mcu |
| 20:11.28 | flyback | ram |
| 20:11.31 | flyback | rom |
| 20:11.33 | flyback | and i/o |
| 20:11.37 | flyback | on the board |
| 20:11.54 | flyback | :D |
| 20:12.01 | jbevren | there's probably a dedicated ATAPI controller IC somewhere |
| 20:12.10 | jbevren | like, the drive side, not the controller side |
| 20:12.19 | flyback | wonder if it's possible to reprogram the mcu rom for general purpose hacking |
| 20:12.23 | jbevren | it only makes sense, if you look at all the pcmcia adapters that look like ide drives |
| 20:12.30 | flyback | I geuss I could unsolder the other chips and tap the pins |
| 20:12.31 | flyback | also |
| 20:12.32 | jbevren | every CF card has one |
| 20:12.42 | jbevren | I have a mmc and xD adapter that has one in the adapter |
| 20:12.50 | flyback | nice |
| 20:13.08 | flyback | well it's all going to have to wait till I finish this email server for a customer |
| 20:13.14 | jbevren | so you stick your xD in it and then put it in the pcmcia slot and it comes up as another ide disk |
| 20:13.18 | flyback | still can't believe he still wants me to do it after 3 refusals |
| 20:13.20 | flyback | the dude is a saint |
| 20:13.34 | flyback | jbe yeah but xd has jack-canuck for bad sector mapping etc |
| 20:13.40 | flyback | isn't that kinda dangerous? |
| 20:13.46 | jbevren | no, it has bad sector mapping |
| 20:13.52 | flyback | you mean in the controller ? |
| 20:13.55 | jbevren | its just done in the controller rather than the chip |
| 20:14.16 | flyback | how does the controller keep track of multiple xd cards etc though |
| 20:14.31 | jbevren | the first block has a pointer to the defect list |
| 20:14.35 | flyback | ahhhh |
| 20:14.41 | jbevren | the format for this list is standardized so that all controllers understand it |
| 20:14.45 | flyback | ahhhh |
| 20:14.56 | jbevren | I havent looked this up, but from what I know, this is what would be done |
| 20:14.59 | flyback | you know all those engineers are out of work |
| 20:15.05 | flyback | cause they did too good of a job ;) |
| 20:15.14 | jbevren | not really |
| 20:15.28 | jbevren | theyre out of work because CEO's dont think that $800k/year isnt enough money in their pocket :) |
| 20:15.39 | jbevren | people that matter get canned, people that dont really matter get raises |
| 20:15.43 | flyback | you missed the joke :) |
| 20:15.49 | jbevren | hehe |
| 20:15.54 | jbevren | no, I got it |
| 20:15.57 | jbevren | I'm just having fun spoiling it |
| 20:16.06 | flyback | yeah I know I still think ceo's salaries should be subjective to performance |
| 20:16.09 | flyback | so if they canuck up they get jack |
| 20:17.27 | jbevren | they kinda are |
| 20:17.38 | jbevren | if you cant make your company do well of course, you wont get much money :) |
| 20:17.50 | jbevren | mwahahah |
| 20:19.37 | flyback | I think it's starting to happen though |
| 20:19.41 | flyback | walmart kinda started the trend |
| 20:20.18 | flyback | btw I am not happy like 1 month after I get my palm repaired the headphone jack is wacked |
| 20:20.43 | flyback | if it's not covered by the company that did the screen repair since they "certify your pda as factory condition" then I am whipping out the solder iron asap |
| 20:20.49 | flyback | almost guarantee it's a cold joint |
| 20:20.59 | jbevren | just hope it's not a lifted pad |
| 20:21.00 | flyback | even I can fix this |
| 20:21.07 | flyback | I can fix that also |
| 20:21.09 | jbevren | btw do you have a copy of palmos 4.2 for my palm3xe? |
| 20:21.10 | jbevren | hehe |
| 20:21.10 | flyback | trace pen $12 |
| 20:21.21 | flyback | no I don't but it's so easy to find on p2p |
| 20:21.31 | jbevren | nothing's easy to find on a network I dont use |
| 20:21.33 | jbevren | ah well |
| 20:21.42 | flyback | mabye I will pull it down for you later then |
| 20:21.48 | jbevren | sure |
| 20:22.01 | jbevren | I dunno why palm refuses to allow us to have it |
| 20:22.07 | flyback | cause they are cock suckers |
| 20:22.09 | jbevren | if it runs on the device, they should offer it |
| 20:22.21 | flyback | besides they don't even own the os anymore |
| 20:22.22 | flyback | thank God |
| 20:22.26 | flyback | opps forgot about lang |
| 20:22.31 | flyback | sorry prpp |
| 20:22.56 | jbevren | heh |
| 20:25.57 | flyback | now 4.x does eat some more ram and flash |
| 20:25.59 | flyback | just so you know |
| 20:26.31 | flyback | this is probably the last time I ever irc from this celeron 600 |
| 20:26.40 | flyback | my sempron 3100+ appears to be stable enough to switch |
| 20:26.58 | flyback | plus I need a MONITOR for setting up the redhat RHL server for this customer :P |
| 20:27.11 | flyback | kinda erks me |
| 20:27.25 | flyback | dell 3100 dimension |
| 20:27.27 | flyback | BTX |
| 20:27.43 | flyback | no serial ports, no parallel ports, no ps/2 keyboard or mouse |
| 20:27.56 | jbevren | flyback: I have 8M ram |
| 20:27.58 | flyback | but yet they left a floppy drive socket on the motherboard |
| 20:27.59 | jbevren | and I barely use it heh |
| 20:28.12 | jbevren | ohh |
| 20:28.14 | flyback | btw you can get programs to store stuff in the remanig flash |
| 20:28.20 | jbevren | thats cause most bootblock roms can only recover via the fdc |
| 20:28.25 | flyback | no |
| 20:28.30 | flyback | they eliminated that requirment yrs ago |
| 20:28.32 | flyback | I was shocked |
| 20:28.35 | jbevren | shrug |
| 20:28.38 | flyback | cdrom recovery |
| 20:28.40 | jbevren | my gigabyte has that limitatoin |
| 20:28.41 | flyback | network recovery |
| 20:28.46 | jbevren | however, my gigabyte has two bios flash chips |
| 20:28.52 | flyback | usb flash drive recovery |
| 20:28.52 | jbevren | so I'd have to try -very- hard to brick it |
| 20:28.55 | flyback | and serial port terminal recovery |
| 20:29.03 | flyback | I was like "WTF?" how did I miss this? |
| 20:29.08 | jbevren | hm |
| 20:29.12 | jbevren | how do I store apps in flash? |
| 20:29.18 | flyback | jackflash was one |
| 20:29.28 | flyback | also you could get rom hacker utils |
| 20:29.35 | flyback | remove stuff from palm os to shrink the rom file |
| 20:29.54 | flyback | it's been yrs since I looked but should be able to get most of this info on googke |
| 20:30.08 | flyback | also #palm-hq on efnet |
| 20:30.21 | flyback | it's a warez channel but I hang there cause the people know wtf they are talking about |
| 20:30.24 | jbevren | jackflash is still commercial it seems. Nice idea though |
| 20:30.36 | jbevren | how much flash is in a palm3? |
| 20:30.38 | flyback | also I have seen rom and ram hacks to add more |
| 20:30.41 | flyback | 2 meg afaik |
| 20:30.44 | jbevren | I never looked that up hehe |
| 20:30.53 | jbevren | I'm happy with 8M ram |
| 20:30.57 | flyback | also this company used to sell a serial port/hotsync flash backup device |
| 20:31.01 | jbevren | if I need more I'll get a more recent pda ;-) |
| 20:31.13 | flyback | so it's possible to mabye hack up your own external flash storage solution |
| 20:31.22 | jbevren | nod, the palm utils I have installed will let me back the flash up |
| 20:31.23 | flyback | ah well then that's all that matters :P |
| 20:31.41 | jbevren | flyback: I'd like a palm that can play mp3 if I get a larger one |
| 20:31.42 | flyback | I loved my IIIxe also |
| 20:31.50 | flyback | only got rid of it cause it died |
| 20:31.53 | flyback | I still have it |
| 20:31.54 | flyback | needs a rom hack repair |
| 20:31.55 | jbevren | I have two heh |
| 20:31.59 | jbevren | one to use, and one to toy with |
| 20:32.04 | flyback | needs a trace bridged that I cut to do the rom repair |
| 20:32.10 | flyback | and needs a new display+touchscreen |
| 20:32.19 | flyback | I also have a IIIx just needs the display+ts |
| 20:32.34 | flyback | mabye you can help me later do a serial bootstrap |
| 20:32.51 | flyback | see if you ground pin EMU_BRK to ground (-) while pressing reset |
| 20:32.58 | flyback | the cpu goes into serial bootstrap mode |
| 20:33.15 | flyback | you can confirm this if you hit return in a serial program and you will get a |
| 20:33.16 | flyback | @ |
| 20:33.19 | flyback | replyg |
| 20:33.33 | flyback | but I don't understand s-records etc so I don't know what to do next |
| 20:33.57 | flyback | and this 15 inch monitor sucks ass btw |
| 20:34.44 | flyback | it's supposted to suck though I took the 19 and 17 delibertely off this celeron 600 to force myself to migrate over to the sempron |
| 20:34.58 | flyback | I had bad luck with my last 2 systems so I have "shell shock" basically |
| 20:36.04 | flyback | that might be a fun project for me and you sometime |
| 20:36.12 | jbevren | ah |
| 20:36.19 | jbevren | in linux you can use objcopy to do a srecord |
| 20:36.21 | flyback | figure how how to bit bang or with a mcu allow a palm IIIx device to write to a flash chip |
| 20:36.26 | jbevren | but yeah, I havent read or found anything on serial bootstrapping |
| 20:36.42 | flyback | so yuo can backup anywhere if your batts are going to fail |
| 20:37.07 | jbevren | objcopy --change-address 0x0010000 -O srec -I binary out ocd/out.out |
| 20:37.09 | jbevren | hehe |
| 20:37.12 | jbevren | binary to srec |
| 20:37.13 | jbevren | :P |
| 20:37.51 | flyback | see none of that makes any sense to me |
| 20:37.55 | flyback | lemme find the info |
| 20:38.14 | jbevren | thats what I used to get that image into my pixter |
| 20:38.15 | CosmicPenguin | Good ol' srec |
| 20:38.25 | jbevren | CosmicPenguin: indeed |
| 20:38.35 | jbevren | even my ages old industrial device programmer groks srec |
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| 20:38.58 | flyback | jeb did you see the docs for building a ide flash programmer |
| 20:39.08 | flyback | it was like a 8255 and a few reistsors or something |
| 20:39.13 | jbevren | nope |
| 20:39.15 | CosmicPenguin | When' you're doing all roms, its nothing but srec |
| 20:39.16 | flyback | even I could handle it without getting overwealmed |
| 20:39.22 | CosmicPenguin | if it is anything but srec, then get a new process |
| 20:39.50 | jbevren | CosmicPenguin: I have a data I/O programmer |
| 20:39.50 | jbevren | heh |
| 20:39.51 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/workshop/dscn1645.jpg |
| 20:39.53 | jbevren | cost me $20 |
| 20:40.05 | jbevren | I'd like to get update files for it |
| 20:40.15 | jbevren | with current updates, its capable of programming more than 8000 devices |
| 20:40.28 | jbevren | it has rs232 and gpib interfaces |
| 20:40.38 | flyback | http://8bit.yarek.pl/interface/ |
| 20:40.41 | flyback | cool stuff |
| 20:40.46 | flyback | they have a 8 bit ide controller now |
| 20:40.55 | flyback | so I could put a compact flash card in a 8086 |
| 20:41.56 | jbevren | heh |
| 20:41.58 | jbevren | my appleIIgs |
| 20:42.05 | jbevren | it has a 128M CF drive |
| 20:42.07 | flyback | dude yuo like apple ? |
| 20:42.13 | flyback | you should talk to my frien ajkroll][ |
| 20:42.14 | jbevren | the apple2's I grew up on |
| 20:42.21 | flyback | he's who got me all into this stuff |
| 20:42.28 | flyback | he had like 16 ide drives in one pc |
| 20:42.29 | jbevren | the CF drive works in prodos without drivers cause it uses the SmartPort API |
| 20:42.39 | flyback | hacking a bunch of isa ide cards to share interrupts etc |
| 20:42.56 | flyback | z80's on the net |
| 20:42.57 | flyback | etc |
| 20:43.43 | flyback | he's having major problems the last few yrs though |
| 20:43.50 | flyback | he has post tramtic stress |
| 20:43.56 | flyback | his ex tried to kill him yrs ago |
| 20:44.02 | flyback | stuck a knife in his chest |
| 20:44.39 | flyback | he's brilliant but he's like me, all freaked up although not nearly as bad |
| 20:45.20 | flyback | fuond it |
| 20:45.21 | flyback | here |
| 20:45.22 | flyback | http://www.loet.de/flasher_en.html |
| 20:47.19 | flyback | bbiab |
| 20:47.30 | jbevren | I once had a fileserver whose front panel was hooked to an ide port |
| 20:47.42 | jbevren | the lcd and buttons were run thorugh that cable |
| 20:48.09 | flyback | a real ide port or just the same pins |
| 20:49.21 | flyback | actually i can flash using old nics |
| 20:49.36 | flyback | so I probably don't need the ide flash although with the nics you have to have chips that the nic supports |
| 20:49.46 | flyback | also can do the old motherboard hot swap bios trick :P |
| 20:50.29 | jbevren | it was an ide port |
| 20:50.33 | flyback | wow |
| 20:50.34 | jbevren | I pulled the panel and put a hdd there :) |
| 20:50.50 | jbevren | I didnt have the raid software for it and they wanted a $1500 site license for it |
| 20:51.02 | jbevren | so of course I said f that and softraided it with a handful of promise cards :) |
| 20:51.23 | flyback | hahaah |
| 20:51.29 | flyback | "YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE!" |
| 20:51.34 | flyback | not you, them |
| 20:52.06 | flyback | see that's what scares me about the dmca and drm |
| 20:52.21 | flyback | I could give a flying canuck if content companies want to protect their stuff |
| 20:52.24 | flyback | I don't mind that at all |
| 20:52.43 | flyback | what I do mind is if every port becomes a blackboxhole crypted pos and puts an end to stuff liek we do here |
| 20:54.38 | jbevren | it was a pretty cool box |
| 20:54.44 | jbevren | a cube about a foot on each side |
| 20:54.52 | jbevren | 5 ide disks connected via a pci bridge |
| 20:55.07 | jbevren | i.e. mb -> bridgeboard -> cable -> bridgeboard -> ide chips -> drives |
| 20:55.27 | jbevren | the ide chips didnt work with stock linux |
| 20:55.28 | flyback | was? |
| 20:55.31 | flyback | what happen to it |
| 20:55.36 | jbevren | nod, Ive since gotten rid of it |
| 20:55.39 | flyback | ah |
| 20:55.40 | jbevren | my friend got the motherboard |
| 20:55.52 | jbevren | it was a standard socket370 pcb |
| 20:56.00 | flyback | heh I remeber spending $13 on a sparcstation II not realizing how broken below ss5 is |
| 20:56.07 | flyback | spend $30 on the damn nvram battery |
| 20:56.14 | flyback | I finally gave up and tossed it |
| 20:56.17 | flyback | ttoally useless |
| 20:56.21 | flyback | even the serial ports are wacked |
| 20:56.30 | flyback | I saved the nvram though, sure that's useful |
| 20:56.38 | jbevren | theyre good for little other than very heavy forth calculators if you dont have the nvram |
| 20:56.54 | flyback | well I had the nvram but it sucked |
| 20:57.05 | flyback | first of all ones made after 2000 are no longer 100% compatible |
| 20:57.09 | flyback | so it bitches = no auto boot |
| 20:57.46 | flyback | second I only had 1 scsi cdrom to use at the time and it had a dead eject system so if you had to swap a disc, forget it cause you had to manually eject and that confused everything |
| 20:58.05 | jbevren | heh |
| 20:58.12 | jbevren | I have two sun cdrom drives in external boxes |
| 20:58.15 | flyback | then there is the whole no monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc |
| 20:58.21 | jbevren | one's a 2x, caddy mechanism |
| 20:58.32 | jbevren | the other's a 2x that slides the entire read mechanism out when it ejects |
| 20:59.02 | flyback | heh |
| 20:59.10 | flyback | someone tossed 4 scsi cdrom external units last yr |
| 20:59.20 | jbevren | hehe |
| 20:59.21 | flyback | I tossed them all (kept the linear and switching psus) except one |
| 20:59.24 | jbevren | an dyou saved em of course :) |
| 20:59.25 | flyback | a 8x |
| 20:59.33 | flyback | the other ones were like 2x, 3x, 1x 6 disc changer |
| 20:59.38 | jbevren | should keep the boxes, they make handy enclosures |
| 20:59.40 | flyback | and had issues with reading any modern cdr |
| 20:59.42 | flyback | I did |
| 20:59.45 | flyback | well one |
| 20:59.51 | flyback | plus the other one if the 8x ever dies |
| 20:59.57 | jbevren | like my scanner server |
| 21:00.11 | jbevren | it's a DHT board with a scsi card in a 5.25" scsi enclosure |
| 21:01.02 | flyback | oh nice |
| 21:01.04 | flyback | wait |
| 21:01.04 | flyback | wtf |
| 21:01.11 | flyback | you wasted a dht on a scanner server? |
| 21:01.18 | jbevren | it runs netsane |
| 21:01.25 | flyback | dude |
| 21:01.26 | jbevren | hosts my scsi scanner to 6 machines |
| 21:01.35 | jbevren | I have nothing else to do with my four DHTs :) |
| 21:01.35 | flyback | that's blasmephy |
| 21:01.38 | flyback | however you spell it |
| 21:01.40 | flyback | oh you have 4 |
| 21:01.41 | flyback | nm |
| 21:01.41 | jbevren | why's it blasphemy? |
| 21:01.49 | jbevren | what else would I do with it |
| 21:01.51 | flyback | dude that's like using a mink coat to wipe your ass |
| 21:01.51 | flyback | :P |
| 21:01.56 | jbevren | no, it's not |
| 21:02.05 | jbevren | its like using a cheap pigskin coat to wipe your ass |
| 21:02.14 | flyback | yeah I guess when you look at price |
| 21:02.16 | jbevren | the 405gp has no fpu |
| 21:02.20 | flyback | I just think they are pretty cool |
| 21:02.21 | jbevren | its slow as molasses doing X |
| 21:02.22 | jbevren | :) |
| 21:02.31 | flyback | well it's not supposted to do X |
| 21:02.33 | flyback | :P |
| 21:02.36 | jbevren | they dont even have horsepower enough to run asterisk |
| 21:02.43 | jbevren | sure it is, it has a pci slot ;-0 |
| 21:02.44 | flyback | mine is going to be my new router/firewall |
| 21:02.46 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.51 | jbevren | nod, tahts a good use |
| 21:03.00 | jbevren | I have an artis a3000 doing that |
| 21:03.01 | flyback | yeah plus since it's +12 in |
| 21:03.14 | flyback | I might bypass the whole ups thing and just go right off lead acid + chagrer |
| 21:04.00 | flyback | crap |
| 21:04.01 | flyback | can't do that |
| 21:04.06 | flyback | cable modem and switch |
| 21:04.07 | flyback | nm |
| 21:04.26 | jbevren | I'm out |
| 21:04.28 | jbevren | time to go camping |
| 21:04.42 | flyback | later :) |
| 21:08.30 | *** join/#edev prpplague (n=dave@72.22.153.191) |
| 21:09.29 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 21:09.32 | prpplague | merry freakin friday |
| 21:09.53 | flyback | nothing merry about it |
| 21:10.44 | flyback | my ibs is acting up, my repaired palm t5 already has a canucked headphone jack and I gotta crash learn redhat exterprise, postfix and general email security in the next few days |
| 21:11.03 | flyback | koen? |
| 21:11.18 | flyback | was that a hacker here? |
| 21:12.01 | prpplague | flyback: and OE devr |
| 21:12.46 | flyback | oh neat |
| 21:12.48 | flyback | coolness :) |
| 21:13.57 | flyback | crap that reminds me |
| 21:14.25 | flyback | it only has a 12 character x 1 line that would be useful |
| 21:14.36 | flyback | also 2 lines of "8" digit number things |
| 21:14.46 | flyback | and some alpha/number fixed function lcd things |
| 21:14.47 | flyback | and a touch pad |
| 21:15.26 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 21:15.40 | CosmicPenguin | meeting with OE people - who would have thunk it.. :) |
| 21:17.21 | flyback | last yr walmart started selling fireworks in the parking lot thru a vender |
| 21:17.26 | flyback | class c stuff is allowed here |
| 21:17.30 | flyback | non projectile |
| 21:17.37 | flyback | this yr they are selling them right in store |
| 21:17.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 21:17.44 | flyback | 30 ground bloomers for $7 |
| 21:17.57 | flyback | PHEAR |
| 21:18.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: as i tried to tell kergoth, i have nothing against OE |
| 21:19.26 | flyback | wtd |
| 21:19.27 | flyback | wtf |
| 21:19.34 | flyback | my palm t5 uses torx bits smaller than t6? |
| 21:19.35 | flyback | ugh |
| 21:23.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: he had a 770 |
| 21:23.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: it rocks |
| 21:23.06 | prpplague | i want oe |
| 21:23.08 | prpplague | one |
| 21:24.13 | CosmicPenguin | I thought about it |
| 21:24.26 | CosmicPenguin | I keep thinking I want to get one but then I think I don't |
| 21:24.27 | CosmicPenguin | I dunno |
| 21:25.27 | CosmicPenguin | I mean, its a cool toy, but is it actually going to make my life better? |
| 21:25.29 | CosmicPenguin | I can't decide |
| 21:27.25 | flyback | http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a267/Legodude522/headphonejack.jpg |
| 21:27.29 | flyback | I hope this isn't too hard :( |
| 21:28.57 | flyback | I think it just needs the pads touched with a iron |
| 21:29.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 21:29.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i want a pmp primarily |
| 21:33.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: boss made my day today |
| 21:34.14 | flyback | pmp? |
| 21:34.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: "dave, i'm continually amazed at you ability to debug and resolve problems in the hardware design, kernel space, and user space. nice job today!" |
| 21:34.40 | prpplague | flyback: portable media player |
| 21:34.40 | flyback | well that's cause he speaks the truth |
| 21:34.44 | CosmicPenguin | contrats - you've just had your bonus |
| 21:34.52 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:35.06 | flyback | prpp knows his s*** |
| 21:35.37 | prpplague | ok i'm a total geek/nerd |
| 21:35.53 | prpplague | GPSFan: kick me for going OT here........ |
| 21:36.01 | flyback | prpplague wish you worked for palm |
| 21:36.11 | prpplague | does anyone else find hawk girl on justice league is totally hot? |
| 21:36.14 | flyback | I would be sending fruit baskets instead of pipe bombs |
| 21:36.18 | flyback | yes |
| 21:36.37 | prpplague | she has the best lines in the whole series |
| 21:36.38 | flyback | no I am not going to really send them pipe bombs |
| 21:36.44 | flyback | she dies btw |
| 21:36.45 | flyback | woops |
| 21:37.03 | prpplague | uh no she doesn't |
| 21:37.15 | prpplague | just meant to look that way |
| 21:37.34 | davidc___ | prpplague: heh.. I wish my boss knew the difference between hardware design, kernel space and user space |
| 21:37.48 | CosmicPenguin | and you think prpplague's does? |
| 21:38.01 | davidc___ | his at least knows the words |
| 21:38.08 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:38.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: actually he does, hehe, he has a masters in EE |
| 21:38.47 | flyback | davidc___ |
| 21:38.49 | CosmicPenguin | If I've learned one thing, its that it doesn't matter what my boss did 20 years ago |
| 21:38.55 | flyback | if a boss at least realizes "hey he gets shit done I need" |
| 21:38.59 | flyback | then he's a cool boss |
| 21:39.04 | flyback | I hate ones that won't even realize that |
| 21:39.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe yea, i can see that |
| 21:39.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but he's a hands on kind of guy |
| 21:39.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: he does all the schematics for our boards |
| 21:40.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i couldn't dream up a better boss |
| 21:40.14 | flyback | prpp quick question |
| 21:40.20 | flyback | ohci is always usb 1.1 correct? |
| 21:40.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: on average i only speak to him about once a day, hehe |
| 21:40.42 | prpplague | flyback: sorry usb isn't my cup of tea |
| 21:40.56 | flyback | it's ok bro I thougth you know at least what the codes were |
| 21:41.07 | flyback | omg |
| 21:41.11 | flyback | the fanta girls are back |
| 21:41.26 | flyback | those commercials are more annoying than musicals |
| 21:41.31 | prpplague | flyback: easy guy, you not taking your meds again? |
| 21:41.40 | flyback | na dude if you saw the commercials |
| 21:41.42 | flyback | you would understand |
| 21:42.07 | prpplague | flyback: at least sunrunner has a court order, maybe you should get one |
| 21:42.13 | flyback | wtf |
| 21:42.17 | flyback | what happen to him |
| 21:42.21 | prpplague | flyback: hehe |
| 21:42.33 | prpplague | flyback: was a joke, but he's on heavy meds as well |
| 21:42.37 | flyback | yeah I know |
| 21:42.38 | prpplague | HEAVY meds |
| 21:42.41 | flyback | we kinda support each other |
| 21:42.43 | flyback | sometimes |
| 21:43.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: koen's gf almost made me cry...... |
| 21:43.29 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: her college dorm area has a pub |
| 21:43.36 | flyback | whoa |
| 21:43.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: .......with 50 beers on draft |
| 21:44.22 | CosmicPenguin | mmm..... |
| 21:44.27 | CosmicPenguin | koen is good people |
| 21:44.52 | CosmicPenguin | despite what the hh.o guys say |
| 21:44.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:45.01 | flyback | CosmicPenguin |
| 21:45.09 | flyback | do you know if ohci always means usb 1.1 |
| 21:45.15 | CosmicPenguin | yes it does |
| 21:45.16 | prpplague | why can't we all just get along......... |
| 21:46.14 | flyback | hehe |
| 21:49.30 | flyback | prpplague |
| 21:49.34 | flyback | everyone hates the fanta girls |
| 21:49.36 | flyback | check google :0 |
| 21:50.14 | flyback | wtf |
| 21:50.15 | flyback | whoa |
| 21:50.20 | flyback | talk about a mind bender |
| 21:50.50 | flyback | star trek TNG, the klingon trying to get alexander (worf's kid) to grow up a warrior |
| 21:50.52 | flyback | is him |
| 21:50.55 | flyback | woah |
| 21:51.40 | davidc___ | argh.. murder.. kill.. pcbexpress |
| 21:55.16 | davidc___ | gave me boards full of shorts! |
| 22:11.10 | MonMotha | really? |
| 22:11.24 | MonMotha | they're normally pretty good. I've only had one short on about 150 boards from them |
| 22:11.36 | MonMotha | though I'll admit I haven't been doing anything smaller than 25mil pad pitch |
| 22:20.14 | prpplague | hehe, justice league is so funny |
| 22:21.08 | prpplague | "reading self help books? you don't seem the type..." " well i read what i can, besides i have issues, you know with destroying the earth and all you know?" |
| 22:30.41 | flyback | haha |
| 22:30.49 | flyback | gee I wonder why you saw that episode? |
| 22:30.51 | flyback | ;D |
| 22:33.12 | prpplague | flyback: yea thanks that was a good one, chandler thanks you too, he liked it as well |
| 22:34.42 | flyback | chandler? |
| 22:35.38 | flyback | you are both welcome btw |
| 22:36.58 | prpplague | flyback: my critter |
| 22:37.21 | flyback | ? |
| 22:37.23 | flyback | cat? |
| 22:38.06 | flyback | bbl I got the shakes, need food |
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| 22:43.52 | davidc___ | MonMotha: actually, after a really careful look - it seems they messed up on their file format conversion |
| 22:43.57 | davidc___ | we just gave em eagle files for this one |
| 22:44.00 | davidc___ | as they'll convert |
| 22:44.06 | MonMotha | ah |
| 22:44.07 | davidc___ | and they did it with 5 mil trace/space |
| 22:44.10 | davidc___ | rather than the 8 |
| 22:44.18 | davidc___ | and that combined with a badly aligned soldermask |
| 22:44.20 | MonMotha | I always just gave them gerbers |
| 22:44.29 | MonMotha | since I use OrCAD |
| 22:44.34 | davidc___ | means that every smd pad regularly shorts |
| 22:44.46 | davidc___ | grah... and this is all 0402s |
| 22:45.00 | davidc___ | however, it did make the radio make some.. interesting.. noises |
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| 23:10.41 | flyback | so stn are impossible to see in sunlight? |
| 23:10.41 | flyback | damn |
| 23:24.46 | *** mode/#edev [+o prpplague] by ChanServ |
| 23:44.11 | MonMotha | 0402s? jeesh, I definately can't solder those |
| 23:44.16 | MonMotha | 0603s are remotely doable |
| 23:44.26 | MonMotha | 0804 aren't bad, 1206 are of course quite large and easy |
