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04:19.59agaffneyheh, nice
04:20.49flybackdoubt I will keep the monitor
04:20.55flybackb/w composite crap
04:33.47flybackgoing to build the pc floppy emulator but eventually replace with a flash mdule
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11:16.27prpplague~slashdot
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14:09.08flybackprpplague I found a complete intacted apple IIc last night
14:09.41prpplagueflyback: yea i saw
14:09.44prpplagueflyback: nice item
14:09.55prpplagueflyback: i used to have several
14:10.06jbevrenI have a small handful of IIgs'en
14:10.19flybackwekll this one can be hacke dto run on battery :)
14:10.21prpplagueflyback: i have alot of good memories of using my ][c at 3am on the local bbs at 2400baud
14:10.37flybackit has a mmu ?!?!?!?
14:10.48flybackI could like make a multitasking os it
14:10.50jbevrenflyback: MMU is a pretty broad term
14:10.53flybackthe pcjr is defintely out of here
14:10.57jbevrenit doesnt have a memory remapping mmu
14:11.11flybackyeah it does I am looking right at the chip
14:11.15jbevrenthe MMU in the apple2 series only handles switching banks of ram into and out of fixed address ranges
14:11.21flybackoh
14:11.23jbevren<PROTECTED>
14:11.28flybackno protecting ?
14:11.38jbevrenno mapping, no protection, no virtual mmeory
14:11.44jbevrenall it does is handle dram refresh and bank-switch
14:11.44flyback:/
14:12.23flybackprpplague yeah I had a lot of fun on bbs on my 286
14:13.55prpplagueargh, three years and its still not fixed
14:14.07prpplagueweather.com has the wrong radar picture for barbados
14:14.08flybackwhat isn't ?
14:14.14flybackah
14:14.30prpplagueif you click the radar picture it shows a radar pic, AND BARBADOS IS NOT EVEN ON THE PICTURE
14:14.39flybackhah
14:15.18prpplagueeither they just don't care or my mail goes directly to the trash bin
14:15.25flybacksometimes dude we think so alike you make me feel like I could have a life a wife and kids
14:15.26flyback:P
14:15.29prpplaguei gave them the url and everything they needed to fix it
14:15.36flybackmake me feel sane
14:16.16prpplagueflyback: well dont use me for a guide in being sane
14:16.30jbevrenme either ;)
14:16.32prpplagueflyback: my wife and i are having lots of troubles over moving back to the states
14:17.20flybackdon't give up on her man
14:18.20jbevrenit's not the wife
14:18.39flybackoh
14:18.47prpplagueflyback: hehe, well if something doesn't happen as far as INS goes before august, i'm going back to the states
14:19.01flybackyou mean us ?
14:19.22flybackwtf I though you moved to barabaos because of ins
14:19.43prpplagueflyback: yea, we did we were waiting on her visa
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14:28.07prpplagueCosmicPenguin: wb from the weekend or aka "ho ho ho merry freakin monday!"
14:28.15CosmicPenguinhe
14:28.15CosmicPenguinh
14:35.41prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i'm actually getting to like the Au stuff from just reading the datasheet, its a shame AMD isn't headed in that direction
14:37.01prpplagueCosmicPenguin: whatcha think of this XTX form factor?
14:38.58prpplagueCosmicPenguin: you gonna get to work OLPC?
14:40.52CosmicPenguinIm working it right now
14:41.07prpplagueCosmicPenguin: cool cool
14:41.26prpplaguehttp://www.barbadosadvocate.com/NewViewNewsleft.cfm?Record=26314
14:41.41prpplaguesenator allan fields is the most powerful man in barbados
14:41.58prpplaguehe is one of those behind the scenes kind of guy
14:42.13prpplaguehe is the chairman of virtually every major company on the island
14:42.58prpplaguewater, power, dairy, two of the telephone companies, the brewery , two rum distilleries and tons of major hotels, plus hes in the government
14:43.26prpplaguehe doesn't even pay taxes
14:43.37prpplaguenot even for his car registration
14:44.02prpplagueoh and he's on the board for an insurance agency so he doesn't even pay for insurance
14:44.54prpplaguehehe if he doesn't like something, hehe he just makes it illegal, hehe
14:45.00prpplaguei.e. importing beer
14:45.59prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i wonder when the olpc knock-offs will start showing up?
14:46.29prpplagueCosmicPenguin: there are alot of small companies that could do it
14:46.52prpplagueCosmicPenguin: vtech, welltech, oregon scientific
14:46.59CosmicPenguinwell, we'll see
14:47.12CosmicPenguinthe OLPC guys aren't in it for the money, so that will be the difference
14:47.27prpplagueCosmicPenguin: they all have existing plastic cases that could be used
14:47.28prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea
14:48.23prpplagueCosmicPenguin: oregon scientific is already selling an almost completely functional machine for $79.00
14:48.35prpplagueCosmicPenguin: just the addition of few things would be really nice
14:49.15prpplagueCosmicPenguin: olpc is an interesting challenge
14:49.57prpplagueCosmicPenguin: http://www2.oregonscientific.com/shop/product.asp?cid=8&scid=17&pid=25
14:50.38prpplagueCosmicPenguin: granted not an OLPC level but i could be
14:53.06prpplagueif i ever make it back to texas i will never leave
14:53.17CosmicPenguinIf anyone thinks there is money to be made in this area they are crazy
14:54.03prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea?
14:55.05prpplagueCosmicPenguin: leapfrog, vtech, oregon scientific have all done well in the inexpensive educational device market
14:55.07CosmicPenguin*cough* PIC *cough*
14:55.15CosmicPenguinIn the united states
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14:55.24prpplagueCosmicPenguin: they do well here too
14:55.32prpplagueCosmicPenguin: and the cost is even higher
14:55.45CosmicPenguinEven thats not exactly the market that OLPC is going for
14:55.56prpplagueCosmicPenguin: true
14:56.42prpplagueCosmicPenguin: but when the design is made into a commodity for commerical competition you might see even more dev
14:56.46CosmicPenguinyou need a very durable bulletproof machine that will perform under any circumstance, and you need it to be dirt cheap
14:57.06prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea
14:57.18CosmicPenguinLeapfrog doesn't exactly fit that
14:57.45prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea, but they could if they decided to
14:57.54CosmicPenguinbecause its designed for a dust free, air conditioned world with perfect power
14:57.55prpplagueCosmicPenguin: just seems a good fit
14:57.56CosmicPenguinat the same price?
14:58.19prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea at the $100 mark, their markup is out of this world right now
14:58.37prpplagueCosmicPenguin: from what i've gotten from insiders is that their markup is almost 200%
14:58.54prpplagueCosmicPenguin: before even reaching wholesale
14:58.55CosmicPenguinwell, if they can pull it off, then more power to them I guess
14:59.01CosmicPenguinI have my doubts about OLPC even achieving their goal
14:59.05prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i doubt they will anytime soon
14:59.19CosmicPenguinand OLPC has at least more thought and more corporate support behind it
14:59.25prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i think alot of people are watching the OLPC to see what they do right/wring
14:59.26prpplaguewrong
14:59.38prpplagueand what kind of market they get
15:00.18CosmicPenguinyou know they're giving these away, right?
15:01.02prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea
15:02.27prpplagueCosmicPenguin: but people are gonna say, man that olpc looks nice, i wish i had one for my kid
15:06.49CosmicPenguinyeah - they're considering the commercial possiblities
15:06.57CosmicPenguinbut then they'll just be compeating with the others on the market already
15:07.09CosmicPenguinand I don't know if the software will appeal to the US child
15:08.29prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea, that would be an issue, but from what i was looking at from my own research and hack, the stuff from the k12ltsp project looks really nice
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16:28.35jbevrenprpplague: here's a (random) idea
16:28.43jbevrenuse the pixter MM for a universal IR remote
16:28.44jbevrenheh
16:29.02prpplaguejbevren: hehe yea, i was thinking that was well
16:29.30prpplaguejbevren: similiar to that high dollar sony one
16:29.46prpplagueyou could do complexe macros and such
16:29.50jbevrenyeah
16:30.02jbevrenI'm looking at a/v equipment to deal with my theater connundrum
16:30.11jbevrenI want to separate my pre and post amplification
16:30.14prpplaguehehe even leave it on the coffee table and have it turn on your tv a few minutes before you get home
16:30.23jbevrenprpplague: fun :D
16:30.31jbevrenuse the RTC to wake it up from sleep at the right time eh?
16:30.43prpplagueyea
16:31.20jbevrenthat means sleep and resume will need to be working.. oh the challenges ;)
16:31.25jbevrenfbdev will be easy
16:31.32jbevreninput too since theyre both using the SOC devices
16:32.04prpplaguejbevren: sleep and resume for the lh79524 is working well in the new 2.6 kernel
16:32.08prpplagues/new/latest
16:32.14jbevrenvery cool
16:32.47jbevrenbtw did you see the hackaday article about expanding the mp3 player?
16:32.54prpplagueyea
16:32.54jbevrenthey have a link to a 1G flash chip for $9
16:32.59jbevrenmwahahah :)
16:33.17prpplaguejbevren: thats a nice upgrade pretty simple as they provided the pads
16:33.23jbevrenyep
16:33.29prpplaguejbevren: problem with alot of devices is they don't include pads
16:33.43prpplaguejbevren: like for the pixter-mm upgrading the ram would be difficult
16:33.46jbevrenI think theyre just using the reference boards in this case ;-)
16:33.52jbevreninstead of custom stuff like the pixter
16:34.13prpplaguejbevren: ?
16:34.25jbevrenthe expansion covers a commonly OEM'ed mp3 player
16:34.30jbevrenwhereas the pixter is a custom device
16:34.34prpplagueright
16:34.46jbevrenthe OEM design would include all the pads so that clients could customize as they see fit
16:34.51prpplaguethe as long as the device uses a flash about a certain size
16:34.55jbevrennod
16:35.03prpplaguejbevren: problem is when the size is less than 4mb
16:35.07prpplaguejbevren: the pads are different
16:35.08jbevrenanyway, my thought in reference to that was that's one cheap flash IC for the pixter's bulk storage
16:35.12jbevrenahh
16:35.20prpplaguejbevren: anything above 4 is compatible
16:35.25jbevrengotcha
16:35.26prpplaguejbevren: well mostly
16:35.36jbevrenthe big headache with the pixter will be the amount of ram it has ;)
16:35.42prpplaguejbevren: xD for the pixter is the best bet
16:35.46prpplaguejbevren: exactly
16:35.52prpplaguejbevren: working on that
16:36.26jbevrenas a bonus though, the framebuffer is only 50k in 16bpp mode
16:36.27jbevren<PROTECTED>
16:36.37jbevren25k in 8bpp
16:36.48jbevren(I dont imagine a remote would need 16bit)
16:37.22CosmicPenguinsure it would
16:37.27jbevrenhaha cp
16:37.31jbevrensimplified programming maybe
16:37.49CosmicPenguinI think some of the higher end remotes do 16 bit
16:37.57CosmicPenguinI'm almost 100% sure the Sony one does
16:38.12jbevrenthey dont look like a pixter, though
16:38.14jbevrenhaha :)
16:38.40jbevrenprpplague: Building a software cartridge that would load the remote firmware without modifications would be the best
16:38.42jbevrenheh
16:38.48jbevrenI wonder if mattel would get upset if it were marketed
16:39.28prpplagueCosmicPenguin: iirc the sony one was only a 4096 color remote
16:39.34prpplagueCosmicPenguin: might be wrong
16:39.34jbevrenwell
16:39.37jbevrenthe 16bit mode is funky
16:39.44CosmicPenguinprpplague: not the one I worked on.. :)
16:39.44jbevrenthe image on my website only uses 12 bits
16:39.49jbevrener
16:39.49jbevren15
16:39.51CosmicPenguinprpplague:but that was wayyy higher end
16:39.51prpplaguejbevren: yea well, its a grey area
16:40.00jbevrendid you look at eye.c btw?
16:40.04prpplagueCosmicPenguin: oh was it something that was released?
16:40.06jbevrenconversion from rgb is pretty straightforward
16:40.19prpplaguejbevren: no i've not had time yet
16:40.21CosmicPenguinprpplague: they were doing it for the custom designs
16:40.24prpplaguejbevren: probably next weekend
16:40.29prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ahh
16:40.29CosmicPenguinprpplague: you know, like movie stars and ball players and such
16:40.36prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ahh gotcha
16:43.11jbevrenprpplague: nod
16:44.05flyback* prpplague is so ready to move back to the states
16:44.18flybackI thought you couldn't stand US anymore and the INS thing was the last straw
16:44.26jbevrenanyway, I did the coversion by chopping the lower three bits off and rotating, then adding the bits to the pixel like so
16:44.31jbevrenred     = (image[w+0] & 0xf8) >> 3;
16:44.31jbevrengreen   = (image[w+1] & 0xf8) >> 3;
16:44.31jbevrenblue    = (image[w+2] & 0xf8) >> 3;
16:44.31jbevrenpixel   = red + (green << 5) + (blue << 10);
16:44.35flybackand I am scared to go look inside my car after the coffee incident last night
16:44.36jbevrenheh
16:44.41jbevrenflyback: heh
16:44.48flybackespically since just the stuff I bought in is covered in sticky shit
16:44.50prpplagueflyback: it is, thats the reason we had to leave, the INS crap
16:45.37flybackprpplague ok but your comment earlier today didn't make any sense
16:45.44flybackyuo said if the ins doesn't go thru you would move back to us
16:45.51prpplagueflyback: thats right
16:46.12flybackwhy would you move back to the country if they won't let your wife ni
16:46.23prpplaguei think thats pretty obvious
16:46.30flybackyou hate her now?
16:46.40prpplagueflyback: jeeze
16:46.52jbevrenyou know, its a bit of a personal matter, I'd just leave it :-X
16:47.00prpplagueflyback: its not as simple as black and white, love and hate
16:47.02flybackwell he said in the channel
16:47.06flybackok that's fine then
16:47.20flybacki THINK I hear my apple IIc calling
16:50.42flybackdamn if I get rid of the floppy drive there is a TON of room for expansion hacks and flash c ards etc :)
17:07.05jbevren9719941190 <- looks 16-bit'ish
17:07.10jbevren(ebay)
17:07.18jbevrenoh look it says 65k colors
17:07.44CosmicPenguinthat would be 16 bit
17:07.58jbevrenyep heh
17:08.18jbevrenprpplague: key on "ebay (number here)" hehe
17:09.05prpplagueinteresting wonder what cpu
17:10.47jbevrenkinda pricey heh
17:10.51jbevrenI'm uninterested
17:10.53prpplaguedragonball mx1 and it runs linux
17:10.55prpplagueinteresting
17:11.02jbevrenthat remote is?
17:11.14jbevrenhm are all dragonballs m68k?
17:11.42prpplaguejbevren: no
17:11.49jbevrenI didnt think so
17:11.51prpplaguejbevren: its an arm920t
17:11.55jbevrenI figured they'd have dropped m68k by now
17:12.07jbevrensince arm and mips are all the rage
17:12.11jbevrenoh and ppc
17:12.24jbevrenwe should just put arm in everything and eliminate innovation on the cpu core front ;-)
17:12.31prpplaguehehe, and don't forget geode x86, hehe
17:12.43prpplaguechoice is good
17:12.44jbevrengeode x86 (imho) isnt an embeddable arch
17:12.46jbevrenits just another PC :)
17:13.03prpplaguejbevren: well lets keep that to yourself, hehe
17:13.11jbevrenhehe
17:13.38CosmicPenguinHe's right - its not an embedded processor
17:13.45CosmicPenguinx86 could be embeddable, though
17:13.53CosmicPenguinits not the architecture that sucks, its the part
17:13.58jbevrenpossibly
17:13.59prpplaguehehe
17:14.01prpplaguehttp://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=746
17:14.03prpplaguewow
17:14.04jbevrenI have a nice ST SoC
17:14.11jbevrenhm wonder if I have a picture of it
17:14.37jbevren10f?
17:15.06jbevrentheir math is wrong
17:15.18jbevren'combine two in series for 5f/5v'
17:15.24jbevrenthe farads dont divide down afaik
17:16.46jbevrenhttp://jbevren.net/1571/dscn1629.jpg
17:16.53jbevren486/66 with 66mhz fsb
17:17.01jbevrenon a single pc104 card it has everything
17:17.29jbevrenoh, it doesnt have audio :P
17:18.34jbevrenits my embedded disk controller to let me read and write commodore disks
17:18.46jbevrenthe disks are GCR with variable bitrates
17:18.48jbevrengah heh
17:20.00jbevrenbrb
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17:28.09CosmicPenguin'goto' command, equivalent to 'pop --to' or 'push --to'
17:28.15CosmicPenguinThats a command needed for quilt too, imho
17:38.19prpplagueCosmicPenguin: how serious do you think via is about their arm stuff?
17:38.43CosmicPenguinI dunno
17:38.59CosmicPenguinI heard rumors that they wanted out of the processor business
17:39.07prpplagueCosmicPenguin: interesting
17:39.09CosmicPenguinbut that might just be because of their x86 worries
17:39.35prpplagueCosmicPenguin: and what? get back to chipset stuff?
17:39.40CosmicPenguinyeah
17:39.56CosmicPenguinits not a bad gig to ride along with Intel and AMD
17:40.30prpplagueyea
17:40.43prpplaguei was totally shocked by the press release
17:56.16prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ping
17:56.24CosmicPenguinpong
17:56.36prpplagueCosmicPenguin: you got a url for viewing the OE repo?
17:58.03CosmicPenguinhttp://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/branch.psp?branch=org.openembedded.dev
17:58.12CosmicPenguinIf you can figure out viewmtn, then you are a better man then I
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17:59.39prpplagueCosmicPenguin: thats the whole problem with how OE is run, imho
18:00.38CosmicPenguinIt has less to do with how the project is run, and more to do with trying to justify their decision to use monotone to themselves
18:00.58prpplagueyes, i guess you are right
18:01.21CosmicPenguinIt does go to show how little decisions can come back to haunt you
18:01.34prpplagueCosmicPenguin: but i think that attitude spills over into other decisions as well
18:01.55prpplaguethanks for the url
18:06.24CosmicPenguinI don't defend the project, I defend the technology
18:09.26prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe looks like cell phone companies are taking my booze-buddy idea and applying it to kids instead
18:10.20prpplagueshame i didn't think of marketing it for parents instead
18:34.15jbevrenlol $53 to ship something
18:34.20jbevrenthat weighs about 2lbs
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18:35.16jbevrensorphin: arm pixter arm zipit arm
18:35.17jbevrenhehe :)
18:35.24jbevrenalso hi
18:35.36sorphinjbevren: fishhead in your closet
18:35.38sorphin:P
18:39.53prpplaguehehe
18:49.51sorphinprpplague: i wish it were that simple
18:49.59sorphinprpplague: same code as i was messing w/ thursday
18:50.17sorphini'm ignoring the endian issues and running it on one of my linux boxes
18:50.34sorphinbut when it dumps the time back, it gives it as: 1482C64
18:51.14sorphinand working backwards through that one equasion don't work
19:02.47prpplaguesorphin: yea, well you need to start with a known time value
19:03.08prpplaguesorphin: is it a date/time value or is it just a measure of time?
19:07.07sorphinok
19:07.11sorphinfirst:
19:07.17sorphin<PROTECTED>
19:07.17sorphin<PROTECTED>
19:07.39prpplagueok so what does time () return?
19:08.02sorphincurrent time in seconds since Jan 1, 1970 00:00:00...
19:08.32prpplaguesorphin: ok add a printf to print tt
19:08.42sorphinwhich i do
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19:08.50prpplaguesorphin: ok
19:08.51sorphinT0mW: hey gramps
19:09.03T0mWgood afternoon :)
19:09.17prpplaguesorphin: ok so like two first converts the time into minutes
19:09.26prpplagues/like/line
19:09.41prpplaguesorphin: tt/60
19:09.47sorphinright
19:09.55sorphinfrom what jbevren decoded
19:09.59sorphinthe 0x806880
19:10.09sorphinconverts it to minutes since Jan 1, 1986
19:10.16sorphin00:00:00 GMT
19:10.17prpplaguesorphin: so lets start with a value, what was a value you started with for tt?
19:10.57sorphin1150139447
19:11.41sorphinthe next thing they do after that line
19:11.57sorphinfor (i = (t & 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFC), j = (t & 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFC) - 2; i < (t & 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFC)
19:12.55sorphinalmost be easier to point you at the source, heh
19:13.16prpplaguesorphin: ok
19:13.16prpplaguesorphin: point
19:13.19prpplaguesorphin: got a paste or something?
19:14.04prpplagueT0mW: long answer
19:14.07sorphinprpplague: http://seclists.org/lists/bugtraq/2000/Dec/0459.html
19:14.11T0mWheh
19:14.41T0mW((long) ~(-3)) ?
19:15.00sorphintaht's the code
19:16.42prpplaguesorphin: interesting
19:16.57sorphindown in main() is where i am
19:20.12prpplaguesorphin: yea that appears to be a complexe time hash, interesting
19:21.50prpplaguesorphin: wow thats interesting code
19:22.13prpplaguesorphin: no specs on whats its suppose to be doing?
19:22.59sorphinsupposedly written by a russian dude, i suppose if you realy want to know what it's supposed to be doing, you'd have to ask RSA :)
19:23.14prpplagueahh
19:23.47sorphinbasically at the end i get
19:23.48sorphin1482CD0 : 951789
19:24.00sorphin^^^^^ = time  ^^^^ = current token displayed
19:24.03sorphinat that time
19:24.16sorphinand it's right on the money too
19:24.18prpplaguesorphin: from what i gather its using an incremental search for matching keys for a specific time, ones its found a matching key , the it marks the time index
19:24.35sorphincan you see any way to convert the time index?
19:24.59sorphinthat's all i'm interested in doing, so i can match up times
19:25.05prpplaguesorphin: well yea, but what does that tell you?
19:25.27sorphinwhat time that particular token would be displayed
19:25.33sorphin:)
19:25.43sorphinso if i were to say forget my fob at home
19:25.58sorphinif i've generated my list of tokens for the day, i just look at the clock
19:26.43sorphinhehe
19:26.46sorphinright
19:27.06CosmicPenguinDoesn't that totally violate the concept of the fob in the first place? :)
19:27.33sorphinCosmicPenguin: maybe, but it also had potential for validating someone's fob
19:27.38CosmicPenguintrue
19:27.47sorphinwhich is the other goal
19:27.57sorphinthere have been times
19:28.09sorphinwe've tried to walk someone through logging in
19:28.13sorphinand they say it's doing this
19:28.22sorphinwell, instead of having to ask them what it's showing
19:28.42sorphinsome of the users.... don't belong on the network
19:28.47sorphinbut..
19:29.09prpplaguesorphin: so you want to display the search in progess or only the results?
19:29.28sorphinwell
19:29.35sorphinthe output is a list like so:
19:29.40sorphin1482CD0 : 951789
19:29.40sorphin1482CD0 : 977545
19:29.43sorphin1482CD2 : 478259
19:29.43sorphin1482CD2 : 850350
19:29.47sorphin....
19:30.00sorphinthe reason there are 2 codes per group
19:30.06sorphinis the period is 1 minute
19:30.08sorphinthis fob
19:30.10sorphinis 30 seconds
19:30.17sorphinso 3 codes per minute
19:30.19sorphinerm
19:30.19sorphin2
19:30.28prpplagueok so the second value is the time stamp?
19:30.38sorphinthe 1482cd0
19:30.40sorphinis the stamp
19:30.41CosmicPenguinfirst value is the timestamb
19:30.43sorphinthe 2nd value
19:30.47sorphinis the actual token code
19:30.52prpplagueok, ahh ok
19:31.04sorphinso it's not as complex as you think :)
19:31.07sorphinfor the part iwant
19:31.25prpplagueso 1482CD0 should be the number of minutes since the start period
19:31.29sorphinjust out of my league ;)
19:31.37prpplagueisn't that correct?
19:31.53sorphinone would assume that
19:32.00sorphinbut if i work that equation backwards
19:32.04sorphinit comes out all funky
19:32.10prpplaguesorphin: where is the line that prints that?
19:32.49prpplagueyea that looks correct
19:32.50prpplagueminutes
19:33.07sorphinnear bottom of main()
19:33.12prpplagueyea found it
19:33.24sorphinnot sure why they add i to j
19:33.54prpplaguei is the sync time, and then they are generating 40 + the sync time
19:34.10prpplaguewell up to 40 by 4
19:34.36sorphinbut that wouldn't match when the timecode cycles to the next token
19:34.53sorphini only see a new code every 30 seconds (or 60 seconds depending on the fob i'm using)
19:35.19sorphinwait
19:35.20sorphini get it
19:35.25sorphini: 1482CD0 (21507280)
19:35.25sorphinj: 2 (2)
19:35.40sorphini = timesync j = +2 minutes
19:35.53sorphinright?
19:36.19sorphinthough, the sequences are off time wise
19:36.47sorphinif 951789 is shown right now
19:36.51sorphinand it's saying:
19:36.55sorphini: 1482CD0 (21507280)
19:36.55sorphinj: 0 (0)
19:36.55sorphin1482CD0 : 951789
19:36.55sorphin1482CD0 : 977545
19:36.55sorphini: 1482CD0 (21507280)
19:36.56sorphinj: 2 (2)
19:36.58sorphin1482CD2 : 478259
19:37.00sorphin1482CD2 : 850350
19:37.05prpplaguesorphin: yea
19:37.16prpplaguethats what i gather
19:37.26sorphini guess maybe they arent' skewed
19:37.30sorphinyou have to be watchign the clock
19:37.39sorphinfor the seconds to line up
19:38.00sorphinok, it's definately monday
19:38.27sorphinthanks dave
19:39.22prpplaguenp
19:39.44prpplaguesorphin: you can use the normal c time functions to display an actual text date/time
19:40.09sorphinjust plug in the value of i+j ?
19:40.23sorphinor run backwards through the equation 1st?
19:40.31prpplaguesorphin: *60 you'll have to convert it back to seconds
19:40.47sorphint = (tt / 60 - 0x806880) * 2;
19:40.51sorphinwaht about that last part?
19:41.01prpplaguesorphin: no need for the GMT conversion
19:41.09prpplaguesorphin: just convert it back to seconds
19:41.11sorphinok
19:41.16prpplaguesorphin: then you can use the c functions
19:41.31sorphinerr
19:41.33sorphinok
19:41.38sorphinthis aint' right
19:41.48sorphincurrent time: 1150141286
19:42.04sorphintime it reports: 1290436800
19:42.17prpplaguesorphin: remember its a sync time
19:42.31prpplaguesorphin: its sync'd with the token
19:42.41prpplaguesorphin: which means the token for those are the same time
19:43.05prpplaguesorphin: the token at the those two markers match
19:43.26sorphinbut the token thinks in time since Jan 1, 1986
19:43.29sorphinnot Jan 1, 1970
19:43.53sorphinhence the - 0x806880
19:44.06sorphinto take the current time back wards
19:44.11sorphinor am i just losing it?
19:44.19prpplaguesorphin: ahh yea then you would need to do the change back
19:44.21CosmicPenguinthat sounds right to me
19:44.29prpplaguesorphin: different starting point
19:44.44sorphinso..
19:45.03prpplaguesorphin: just figure the seconds from jan1, 1970 to jan1,1986 and add it
19:45.05prpplague:D
19:45.18sorphinthats' the 0x806880
19:45.24sorphinunless that's in minutes
19:45.38prpplaguethat would be minutes
19:45.39sorphindamn mathematicians ;)
19:46.05prpplagueso (i+j+0x806880)*60
19:46.29sorphinwhat's the *2 for that they do?
19:46.49sorphinfyi, they don't convert to GMT, the assume you are running under GMT
19:46.57sorphinfound that out the hard way
19:47.18prpplaguesorphin: oh missed the *2
19:47.31prpplaguesorphin: that value should be in 2 minute intervales
19:48.02prpplaguesorphin: that way you get 2 1 minute values
19:48.11prpplaguewow that is pretty complexe
19:48.21sorphintaht explains why my stamps are skewed :)
19:48.22prpplagueno i remember why don't do security stuff
19:48.29sorphinthey assume a 60 second fob
19:48.37sorphini can adjust for that
19:49.34CosmicPenguinprobably because you've never been worried about remote security before
19:49.42sorphinewww
19:49.47sorphin1795364520
19:49.52jbevren9739162602
19:49.53jbevrenlol
19:50.08sorphinok, that's not right
19:50.14jbevrenmine's an ebay ID
19:50.16jbevrenwhats yours lol
19:50.18CosmicPenguinI think its a cool idea
19:50.24sorphinthe bad timestamp
19:51.12sorphinprpplague: so much for it being that simple
19:51.28prpplaguesorphin: what forumla did you use?
19:51.47sorphin(i + j + 0x806880)*60
19:52.12prpplaguesorphin: ( (i+j)/2 + 0x806880) * 60
19:52.22sorphinok, i'll try that ;)
19:53.18sorphin1150143360
19:53.21sorphinmuch better ;)
19:53.36sorphinnow i just need to adjust my intervals correctly
19:54.55sorphincya
19:54.57prpplaguenot feel well, heading home
19:55.00prpplaguebbiab
20:27.06sorphinkicks even
20:27.36sorphinwon't convert the time
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20:34.58sorphinprpplague: i hate C
20:34.59sorphinlol
20:42.32prpplaguehehe
20:42.40prpplaguesorphin: still having problems?
20:42.57sorphintook some black magic to get the time to convert
20:43.03sorphintrying to fix the interval now
20:43.21sorphinprpplague: had to do this *shiver*
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20:43.23sorphin<PROTECTED>
20:43.27sorphingrr
20:43.38sorphinstrftime(stamp, sizeof(stamp), " %b %d %l:%M:%S %p", &tim);
20:43.45sorphinstupid BX converted the tab
20:43.49sorphinjbevren: so ignore that
20:47.02T0mWhow "traumatic" would it be if I changed the hostname to my work machine?
20:47.09sorphin?
20:47.20T0mWe.g. hostname=<newname>
20:47.37sorphinheh
20:47.43sorphinsome thigns wouldn't even notice
20:47.49T0mWnot just dns, but the box itself
20:47.51sorphinyou'd have to change it via hostname <foo>
20:48.02sorphinfor things to really notice
20:48.09T0mWyeah, I thought so, not a big deal, right?  some minor impact here / there...
20:48.19sorphinright
20:48.23T0mWthanks
20:48.52sorphinprpplague: so ugly ugly ugly :)
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21:27.11sorphinprpplague: still alive there davey?
21:34.36flyback:(
21:35.55flybackI thuoght were were starting to get along the other day
21:36.41prpplaguesorphin: yea, had to go get my critter
21:36.42flybackthat's your choice
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21:37.02sorphinprpplague: Current Time:  Jun 12  9:36:16 PM
21:37.02sorphinChecking Time Sync
21:37.03sorphinToken is behind your clock by 1 minute.
21:37.03sorphin<PROTECTED>
21:37.03sorphin<PROTECTED>
21:37.03sorphin<PROTECTED>
21:37.13sorphin:)
21:37.20prpplaguecool beans
21:37.23sorphini had to adjust for skew
21:37.42sorphinthere's a 5 second skew because the server remembers the last code for 5 seconds grade period
21:37.44prpplagueinteresting code though
21:37.51sorphinplus
21:38.01sorphinthe fob seems to lag real time
21:38.10sorphinhence teh token 1 minute behind an atomic clock
21:38.46sorphinand it shows previous codes sometimes
21:38.53sorphinbecause of where you are in the cycle
21:40.08sorphininteresting
21:40.15sorphinsometimes the token leads sometimes it lags
21:40.28sorphinconsequences of big math i guess
21:40.42sorphinprobably uses an ARM ;)
21:42.08prpplaguehehe
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