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08:37.58flybackXhttp://www.halted.com/commerce/catalog/showpic.jsp?product_id=17878&czuid=1150187840713
08:53.29flybackXhttp://www.kbtoys.com/genProduct.html?PID=2321439&ctid=19&_e=448e7&_v=448E7CB5DvAYa027D86EEB10
08:53.31flybackXomg
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12:34.26jbevrenflyback: link for the halted.com url
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12:55.36jbevrenmorning dave
12:57.59prpplaguejbevren: morning
12:58.10jbevrenhttp://digg.com/security/Judge_denies_Bush_s_request_to_summarily_dismiss_anti-wiretapping_lawsuit
12:58.17jbevrenheh
12:58.19jbevrenprpplague: how's things
12:58.35prpplaguenot so good :(
12:59.42jbevrennon-INS-related?
13:00.42prpplaguejbevren: yea, it all revolves around going back to the states
13:01.45prpplaguejbevren: i can see why someone would not want to marry someone from outside the country, INS stuff can ruin a marrage
13:06.56jbevrenindeed
13:07.05jbevrenyour marriage was offshore I guess?
13:07.36prpplaguejbevren: no we married in the states
13:07.48jbevrenstrange, that normally makes it fairly simple
13:08.19prpplaguejbevren: depends on the country
13:08.41prpplaguejbevren: but there are other things, donna's relatives are now pressuring her to stay here in barbados
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13:35.28prpplagueT0mW: hey hey
13:35.49T0mWgood morning, just getting back into the groove again
13:36.09T0mWI went for a 3000 mile "drive" as I was going stir crazy!
13:36.33T0mWOrlando, Fl., for a trade show.
13:36.51T0mWthen to Panama City, Fl. to meet an old friend.
13:37.08T0mWup to Montgomery, AL., to visit my brother
13:37.10T0mWthen home
13:38.07T0mWprpplague: nice to be sitting on something that doesn't move
13:42.42prpplagueT0mW: hehe
13:42.48prpplagueT0mW: i wondered where you were
13:43.06T0mWyeah, didn't take any computers, just the cell phone
13:43.52T0mWprpplague: I got as far south as mid-state Virginia and one of my clients called to say that a printer wasn't working at one of his locations....
13:43.53T0mWheh
13:44.15T0mWprpplague: I said that I'd be back in a week and look into it then
13:45.44prpplaguehehe
13:50.56T0mWhmmm, "GoogleEarthLinux.bin"
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14:12.29tuxmaniacHi guys
14:13.09T0mWmorning
14:13.58CosmicPenguinmorning
14:15.44jbevrenis it any good?
14:16.08flybackXi THINK THE m$ world map thing is better sadly
14:16.30flybackXI can see the outline of a 40 foot remainds of a concrete water tower support
14:16.37flybackXI can't with google maps
14:16.56flybackXalso I can get closer to the ground
14:17.05CosmicPenguinIts all about when the photos were taken
14:17.09jbevrenhey flyback
14:17.15jbevrenthat board you linked to on halted.com
14:17.22jbevrenwhere is the original page
14:17.23flybackXthis tower has existed since the beginning of the century :)
14:17.49jbevrenthe google maps pay-thing has more detail btw
14:17.59flybackXit's huge and I was shaking going up to it
14:18.10flybackXeven though the tank was removed for saftey fear
14:18.23flybackXand then my damn camera failed ugh
14:18.31flybackXjbe not sure
14:18.36flybackXwww.halted.com is all I know
14:18.57flybackXI need to find some dirt cheap small ntsc input lcd's
14:19.03flybackX:P
14:19.09prpplaguejbevren: which board is that?
14:19.24jbevrenhttp://www.halted.com/commerce/catalog/showpic.jsp?product_id=17878&czuid=1150187840713
14:19.28flybackXjbe when I get back tonight I will try to find more info
14:19.33T0mWflyback: did you try earthlcd.com ?
14:19.34flybackXI have to take grandma to hospital
14:19.36jbevrenflybackX linked the image, but not the store page
14:19.40flybackXoh
14:19.44flybackXhang on really quick
14:19.51jbevrenflyback: ok
14:19.52flybackXthink I got enough time to find that :P
14:20.42jbevren?
14:20.57jbevrenI tried searching for every code in that url
14:21.12flybackXdid you go to the sections
14:21.14flybackXand find motherboards?
14:21.16jbevrenand while I tolerate your reference to canadians as 'canuck' as appropriate
14:21.19jbevrenyou will not call me one again.
14:21.23flybackXhah
14:21.25flybackX:P
14:21.35jbevrenhow about I go about calling you a kipe?
14:21.43prpplagueflybackX: agreed try to refrain from using it here
14:21.44jbevrenbut I digress
14:21.56CosmicPenguinwell, that went south in a hurry
14:22.06prpplaguewhat is that board suppose to be??
14:22.07jbevrenhalted.com has many categories and thousands of products :P
14:22.07flybackXwtf
14:22.08flybackXwow
14:22.14flybackXit is sectioned wrong
14:22.17flybackXmy bad jbe
14:22.22jbevrenprpplague: its a racial slur for jewish people
14:22.39flybackXcanuck is NOT a rascial slur
14:22.41prpplaguejbevren: yes i know about that, i was asking about the board
14:22.41jbevrenyes
14:22.42flybackXgoogle around
14:22.42jbevrenyes it is
14:22.46flybackXno it's not
14:22.54jbevrencanuck is a word used to negatively refer to canadians
14:22.55flybackXcanada's biggest hockey team - vancouver canucks
14:22.57flybackXK THX
14:23.00prpplagueflybackX: either way please don't use it here
14:23.01flybackXnow shutup
14:23.03jbevrentrust me, I know plenty that use it so
14:23.05jbevrenanyway,
14:23.07flybackXdon't accuse me of that shit
14:23.09jbevrenwhere's this board :)
14:23.09flybackXpisses me off
14:23.15flybackXhttp://www.halted.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp?product_id=20950&czuid=1150208521544
14:23.23flybackXlook at that while I find it
14:23.27jbevrenflyback: all you have to do is stop using the word as we've been requesting for many months. :)
14:23.42flybackXwell I can do that np
14:23.45flybackXhttp://www.halted.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp?product_id=17878&czuid=1150208521403
14:23.47jbevrenI'm eyeballing the pencentra again
14:24.03jbevrenaha, thanks :)
14:24.07flybackXthis image and description sux
14:24.12flybackXshame cause it looks exciting
14:24.33prpplagueinteresting
14:24.39jbevrenand x86 to boot
14:24.39flybackXI gotta run, be back tonight
14:24.42flybackXyeah
14:24.43jbevrensee ya fb
14:24.47flybackXI dunno how good st pentium clone is
14:24.49flybackXbut I bet
14:24.53flybackXit coudl scale nicely for embedded
14:24.55flybackXrouter, etc
14:25.10jbevrennod, toss a pc/104 ethernet card on
14:25.29prpplagueuh doesn't it already have 10baseT ?
14:25.32prpplaguei thought i read that
14:25.45flybackXyes from the pic it has some ethernet
14:25.54jbevrenprpplague: for a router, you'd need a second one
14:26.02jbevrenbut yeah, it has one onboard
14:26.23prpplaguejbevren: ahh
14:26.38jbevrenprpplague: sorry for the confuzi0n heh
14:26.48prpplaguehehe np
14:27.17prpplague<jbevren> nod, toss a pc/104 ethernet card on .... for a second nic
14:27.31jbevrenI still want to make a helloworld binary for the pixter
14:27.39jbevrenI dont have anything on its serial port tho, so I'll have to do it on the fb
14:27.39prpplaguejbevren: get to it
14:27.53CosmicPenguin~quote amd
14:28.09CosmicPenguinjust keep on slippin, slippin' slippin' into the future
14:28.10jbevrenlol I have a job
14:28.12prpplaguejbevren: should be able to use the juicebox test app
14:28.59jbevrennod
14:29.06jbevrenI have the header files from sharp too
14:29.08jbevrenhandily enough
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14:43.59jbevrenhm
14:44.06jbevrenso while people are awake
14:44.12flybackXdid you guys know they make a serial port soundcard for thw apple IIc
14:44.17flybackXwonder if I can emulate it ;)
14:44.18flybackXbbl
14:44.50jbevrensome company made a speech synth for it too
14:44.52jbevrenanyway
14:44.54prpplagueflybackX: i2s is nothing more than a dual serial port for audio
14:45.14jbevrenprpplague: the IIc is a model of Apple's computers
14:45.23jbevrenan 8bit system, compact, with builtin 5.25" floppy and 128k ram
14:45.32jbevrennot to be confused with i2c :0
14:45.42jbevrenMost IIc's dont have any form of internal expansion
14:45.46flybackXyeah you dumb formentioned word
14:45.52flybackXj/k
14:45.59jbevrenflybackX: dont you have a hospital to take your grandmum to?
14:46.06jbevren:)
14:46.08flybackXI got 2 mins to cool off from shower
14:46.23flybackXtons of external f=hacts for the thing I can't wait till I get this job done so Ican play with it
14:46.28flybackXok gotta go for real now :)
14:47.16jbevrensee ya
14:50.37prpplaguejbevren: hehe, yea, let's just say i'm very familiar with the ][c
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14:53.35jbevrenso the questoin I havent asked :)
14:53.51prpplaguejbevren: ?
14:53.51jbevrenin C, I know you can write to memory by using *mem=value;
14:53.58jbevrenbut that writes a word (32bits) right?
14:54.08jbevrenor does it rely on the casting of value
14:54.13jbevreni.e. does char value write 8 bits?
14:54.37prpplaguejbevren: depends on how its defined, you can look at some of the kernel headers for examples
14:54.58jbevreneww hehe
14:55.06jbevrenI barely know enough c to program by example hehe
14:55.18jbevrentook me hours to get eye.c to send proper output
14:55.24jbevrenand it still doesnt, technically
14:55.48prpplaguehehe
14:55.53jbevrenit reads 160 pixels in
14:55.55jbevrenspits out 159
14:56.13jbevrenevery line it loses a pixel, adn the funny thing is, image[] is a 1dimensional array
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16:37.11flyback<PROTECTED>
16:40.45flybackgimme info!
16:41.20flybackprpplague ya know, I been looking at companies in the past that sold floppy mods and also companies that specialize in media conversion
16:41.29flybackso my flash floppy idea might not be so far fetched
16:41.36agaffneyI have fond memories of progamming in BASIC on an Apple ][c/e
16:41.48flybacksome company even sold a hard drive that connected to floppy interface 120 1 meg partitions
16:41.52agaffneygraphics programming was fun :P
16:41.55flybackI did basic on c64
16:42.01flybackdid graphics
16:42.01agaffneyI never had a c64
16:42.07flybacknever knew it could do such cool music
16:42.10agaffneymy first computer was a 286
16:42.18agaffneythe ][c's were at school
16:42.24agaffneyI remember Logo
16:42.26agaffneythat was fun
16:42.33flybackc64, atari xe game/last home computer, 286, p75 ---> started building my own from there
16:42.38prpplagueflyback: yea i had one
16:42.43prpplagueflyback: of the hard drives that is
16:42.54flybackwell this was for a keyboard
16:42.58flybackmusical type
16:43.04agaffneyI started building my own computers around the 586 days...I was ~13
16:43.06flybackbut yeah I know you can get hd's for the II
16:43.40flybackwow this sempron 3100+ is so nice compared to the pos celeron 566/600 I been using the last yr :)
16:43.51flybackmakes me want to get my duron 1300 running again and stick it in my bedroom
16:44.10flybackhttp://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1975848,00.asp
16:44.11flybackHAHAHAHAHA
16:44.26flybackactually I think it's a good thing, m$ does have some good applications
16:44.32flybackjust their programming and os's tend to suck
16:44.54flybackwow of amd does buy ati, wow
16:44.59flybackthat could get interesting
16:45.17CosmicPenguindon't hold your breath
16:45.46flybackI don't plan to
16:45.51flybackI learned that from dell using amd rumors
16:45.57flybackI still can't believe they finally broke
16:46.06CosmicPenguinWhat break?
16:46.12CosmicPenguinthe part is superior - why shouldn't they use it?
16:46.22CosmicPenguinShould dell just volunteer to lose market share?
16:46.31flybackdude
16:46.39flybackdell has a suck intel's canucker relationship
16:46.45flybackthey would cut off a nut before they pissed off intel
16:46.57flybackof course it's a superior part
16:47.35flybackwe watched intel sink dell's stock into the ground many times over the yrs and they still refused to break the marriage
16:47.49CosmicPenguinobviously not - and it doesn't seem that Intel is too pissed about the recent announcement
16:48.04CosmicPenguinin fact, the loser so far in the stock market has been amd - which has lost over $10 since the announcement
16:48.33agaffneyhow does that even work?
16:50.06flybackagaffney how does what even work?
16:50.39agaffneyAMD's stock going down after Dell announces they're going to start using them
16:51.28flybackwho knows
16:51.41flybackmabye it was a bunch of intel investors canucking the market on purpose
16:51.47flybackwhich is really childish if it's true
16:51.59flybackwow
16:52.02flybackit's official
16:52.04flybackwin9x is toast
16:52.12flybackit has a huge security hole and m$ has said they can't fix it
16:52.22flybacktime to teach my aunt and uncle how to use firefox
16:52.30agaffneywin9x is a huge security hole
16:52.45flybackdude
16:52.47flybackyou dobn't have to tell me
16:52.52flybackI been a tech 13+ yrs
16:52.54agaffneyso are users...let's ditch them too
16:52.56flybackit's also just a pos
16:53.28agaffneythat too
16:54.20flybackI wish there was a 1:1 linux replacement
16:54.27flybackor reactos was more ready to go
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17:30.05jbevrenits not 1:1
17:30.08jbevrenbut there are lots of *bsd's
17:30.18jbevrenbut if you want a 1;1 linux replacement
17:30.20jbevrenwhy not use linux
17:45.18flybackI mean 1:1 windows replacement
18:19.33jbevrenah
18:19.48jbevrenso if you want a 1:1 windows replacement... :)
18:20.18CosmicPenguinThree words - OSX
18:22.19CosmicPenguinprpplague: did you see?
18:22.39CosmicPenguinhttp://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060613/20060613005686.html?.v=1
18:24.55flybackcosmic there is no osx for x86 you can get legally and these machines are too old
18:25.38CosmicPenguinbeggers cannot be choosers
18:26.03flybackwell the one machine is a celeron 600 with 192 meg of ram, my aunt could afford xp home upgrade and some more ram
18:26.08flybackshe only has a small hd though hmm
18:26.21flybackmabye I can give her a 16-20 gig after I clean one off
18:26.23flybackand test
18:26.44flybackmy uncle the k6-2 450 I gave him isn't going to do 2k or xp well cause the board really has a 128 meg memory limit
18:26.48flybackdue to caching bugs
18:27.04flybackand he's dirt poor and won't tollerate warez so I dunno what I will do there
18:28.17flybackmom and sis I already moved to 2k boxes and my dad has a work xp laptop so that's that
18:28.34flybackneighbor has never used a pc so I will just start her with linux assuming I ever get her a pc to begin with
18:29.14jbevrenhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6420668728353654549
18:30.13flybacknicde
18:31.17prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ha no i didn't see that
18:32.10jbevrenTh9is manual interaction table stuff fascinates me :)
18:33.04prpplagueCosmicPenguin: interesting
18:33.12prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i assume you had a heads up on this
18:33.22CosmicPenguinyeah, I've known for several weeks
18:33.40prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ahh
18:33.48CosmicPenguinTraditionally, the purchaser is the one who breaks the news
18:33.52CosmicPenguinand they waited for it to close
18:34.06prpplagueCosmicPenguin: so does it look like rmi will go forward with a r&d for new Au stuff?
18:34.17CosmicPenguinUnclear
18:34.30prpplaguehmm
18:34.36prpplaguei'm not familiar with RMI
18:34.47CosmicPenguin<PROTECTED>
18:35.08prpplagueyea, i was looking at their xlr stuff
18:35.31CosmicPenguinYou really know what I know at this point
18:35.56prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe, i could make some bad jokes with that
18:36.41prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe guess thats why the Au work you were doing started to cool down
18:44.13prpplaguejbevren: thats really cool
18:44.25jbevrenindeed
18:45.16jbevrenprpplague: indeedies
18:45.18jbevrenI want one :)
18:45.52CosmicPenguinI;'
18:46.11CosmicPenguinprpplague:  I've already been told about 10 times today I work for a loser company, why should you be any different?
18:46.11jbevrenCosmicPenguin too apparently
18:47.43jbevrenyeah
18:47.44jbevrener
18:47.45jbevrenwait..
18:53.48prpplagueCosmicPenguin: what?
18:53.52prpplagueCosmicPenguin: who told you that?
18:54.06CosmicPenguinheh - doesn't matter
18:54.26prpplagueCosmicPenguin: does to me, i made a promise to you about that
18:54.42CosmicPenguinNah - that doesn't involve that
18:54.55prpplagueahh ok
18:55.08CosmicPenguinstratigic company moves are fair game
19:04.12prpplaguebbiab
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21:31.38jbevrenwb
21:37.38prpplaguethanks
21:37.47prpplaguehttp://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3263537182.html
21:37.49prpplaguehmm
21:37.53prpplaguei don't get it
21:39.23jbevrenme either
21:39.41prpplaguec++ in an os doesn't make much sense
21:39.53prpplagueand why reinvent the wheel?
21:40.02jbevrenbecause then you can say you invented something
21:40.08prpplaguehehe
21:40.10jbevrencp/m became msdos
21:40.11jbevrenheh
21:40.18jbevrenminix and linux are reinventions too
21:40.31prpplaguebut the resources don't appear any better than linux usage
21:40.51prpplague4mb ram
21:41.00jbevrenand binary compatibility?
21:41.02prpplaguei would have expected atleast 1/2 of linux
21:41.03jbevrenI dunno
21:41.04jbevrenheh
21:41.11jbevrensco should sue em
21:41.56prpplaguehmm, i get a funny feeling about that
21:42.28prpplaguechina + downloading a bunch of unknown source code
21:43.59jbevrenoop
21:45.12prpplaguejbevren: rr1581?
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21:45.49jbevrenretro replay loader for the 1581 floppy drive
21:46.08prpplaguejbevren: oh c64 stuff?
21:46.21jbevrenyep
21:46.52jbevrenhttp://mail.lipsia.de/~enigma/forum/c128lan.jpg
21:47.03prpplaguejbevren: i've been reading alot of posts
21:47.20jbevrenoh?
21:47.21prpplaguejbevren: seems alot of people would like to create content for stuff like the leapster and pixter
21:47.35jbevrenI eyed leapsters at walmart
21:47.38jbevrenare they arm powered?
21:47.44jbevrenhttp://88.73.231.193/ is the webserver on that c128
21:47.47prpplaguejbevren: arctanget
21:48.24jbevrenmcu?
21:48.53prpplaguehttp://www.arc.com/configurablecores/arc700/
21:49.00prpplaguewow they have linux listed now
21:49.03jbevrensoftcore-ish device?
21:49.10jbevrenhm
21:49.21jbevrenohh mipsy
21:49.31jbevrennope, misread
21:49.56jbevrenso this is a third cpu arch
21:49.57jbevrenokies
21:50.10prpplaguehttp://www.arc.com/gallery/index.html?page=1&showall=TRUE
21:50.51jbevrenwhat's the handheld quiz device
21:51.03jbevrenit has a small keyboard and is calculator-shaped
21:51.13jbevrenbut with a (maybe) 128x128 lcd
21:52.12prpplaguejbevren: hmm don't know which one you are refering to
21:54.23jbevrenoffhand, know anything about the videonow?
21:55.31jbevrencant find the other device
21:55.31prpplaguejbevren: yea there is a whole set of hack info
21:55.32jbevrengrumble
21:55.43prpplaguejbevren: you can make your own videos from linux
21:55.49jbevrenyeah that I'm aware of
21:55.50jbevren:)
21:55.56jbevrenbut getting the media is tough
21:55.58jbevren(afaik)
21:56.03jbevrencd's are too large
21:58.04prpplaguejbevren: yea iirc you have to use minicd's
21:58.22jbevrenoh
21:58.24jbevrenwhy didnt I think of that
21:58.32jbevrenthe videonow discs are about halfway
21:58.42jbevren(between full and mini)
21:58.42prpplaguejbevren: yea
21:58.59jbevrenshrug
21:59.05jbevrenI still need to get another pixter or two heh
21:59.09jbevrenso I'll worry about that first
22:27.56jbevrenfiguring out the pixter bootloader would be cool
22:31.10jbevrenand out for the night :)
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