| 00:30.05 | flyback | yuo feeling better bud? |
| 00:31.02 | prpplague | nope |
| 00:31.04 | flyback | :/ |
| 00:32.06 | flyback | I got another linux to work on my laptop |
| 00:32.13 | flyback | I am so impressed I pulled this off |
| 00:32.39 | flyback | see the dvd-rom drive loses data even with dma off, it's a total pos, unless there is a defect with the 2nd ide port and I doubt that since both laptops do it |
| 00:33.36 | flyback | if I use the dvd-rom just to load the kernel and initrd into ram which just uses real mode bios calls, and eject the disc before it gets to the next part and have an identifcal copy of the disc in the optical drive hooked to the laptop via usb to ide cable |
| 00:33.42 | flyback | it finds it and mounts it and continues from there |
| 00:33.52 | flyback | works with knoppix and redhat 4 enterprise installer so far |
| 00:34.07 | flyback | not the most conivent solution but it's more than I had before which was nothing |
| 00:35.26 | flyback | I might try taking one of the optical drives apart and see if mabye it's actually another drive with a oem model # and see if theer is firmware fixes for it |
| 00:35.36 | flyback | but that usb to ide cable was the best $9 I ever spent |
| 00:35.43 | flyback | if yuo don't have one get one, it's so damn handy |
| 00:37.13 | flyback | and I got a hot glue gone now, going to make soldering hacks easier once I get into this stuff |
| 00:37.29 | flyback | since I can tack-weld the chip to the boad to hold it in place while I solder |
| 00:43.44 | flyback | prpplague if there is something old pc hardware wise you could use |
| 00:43.57 | flyback | either directely or cause it contained a chip you need, let me know |
| 00:44.07 | flyback | I have a friend working at a recycler place getting stuff for me |
| 00:48.04 | flyback | i appreciate yuo guys putting up with me so let me know if anyone needs anything |
| 00:55.26 | sunrunner20 | bleh |
| 00:57.17 | flyback | hey sunrunner20 :) |
| 00:57.20 | flyback | how is yuor juicebox |
| 00:57.28 | sunrunner20 | sitting on a shelf... |
| 00:57.29 | sunrunner20 | :\ |
| 00:57.33 | sunrunner20 | busy busy these days |
| 00:57.40 | sunrunner20 | proballly going to bed soon |
| 00:57.49 | sunrunner20 | head hurts like hell |
| 00:58.00 | flyback | yeah I know that feeling |
| 00:58.51 | sunrunner20 | trying to figure out the best voltage to feed into the ipod so there is a minimal waste to heat |
| 00:59.59 | sunrunner20 | really putting some thought into an external power pack for my ipod |
| 01:00.23 | sunrunner20 | trying to get ahold of two 3.6v 2850mAh lithium ion cells |
| 01:00.36 | flyback | dude you can't |
| 01:00.41 | sunrunner20 | belive me |
| 01:00.42 | sunrunner20 | i can |
| 01:00.49 | flyback | and you are a dipshit if you do |
| 01:00.53 | sunrunner20 | no |
| 01:00.55 | sunrunner20 | i'm not stupid |
| 01:00.57 | flyback | cause they can't function properly without circuits and stuff |
| 01:00.58 | sunrunner20 | i know how to deal with them |
| 01:01.00 | flyback | they are bombs |
| 01:01.02 | flyback | oh ok :) |
| 01:01.04 | flyback | do this dude |
| 01:01.16 | flyback | just buy a oll the shelf pack for a psp or something |
| 01:01.17 | sunrunner20 | i'm hardwiring in a charge chip |
| 01:01.24 | flyback | just buy a off the shelf pack for a psp or something |
| 01:01.32 | sunrunner20 | current limiters |
| 01:01.39 | sunrunner20 | the whole shabang |
| 01:01.49 | sunrunner20 | they really arn't that hard to deal with |
| 01:02.09 | sunrunner20 | its just idiot proofing them that is :p |
| 01:02.15 | flyback | just watching you back bro |
| 01:02.25 | flyback | they are hideously dangerous if not setup right |
| 01:02.26 | sunrunner20 | "HEY! I know, lets short the contacts LOL!" |
| 01:02.29 | sunrunner20 | i knwo |
| 01:02.37 | flyback | na ddue if you drain them too fast even |
| 01:02.41 | sunrunner20 | yea |
| 01:02.42 | flyback | with say a normal motor |
| 01:02.44 | flyback | they can go boom |
| 01:02.52 | sunrunner20 | they have output current limits |
| 01:03.01 | sunrunner20 | far below what "other" batterys have |
| 01:03.13 | sunrunner20 | but boy do they have high energy density |
| 01:03.19 | flyback | yes that's why they are used |
| 01:03.35 | flyback | problem is all the complexity required and their cycle life is pathetic |
| 01:03.42 | flyback | people are having them die after 1 yr barely used |
| 01:03.51 | MonMotha | their cycle life is actually fairly good *IF* you use a good charger |
| 01:03.53 | sunrunner20 | mis used is more like it |
| 01:04.01 | sunrunner20 | have to fully drain once a month |
| 01:04.05 | flyback | mon na this happens even if you don't use them much |
| 01:04.05 | flyback | dude |
| 01:04.11 | flyback | you don't drain lithium |
| 01:04.16 | sunrunner20 | err |
| 01:04.18 | sunrunner20 | cycle |
| 01:04.26 | flyback | they have no memory effects and they don't like if you deep discharge them a lot |
| 01:04.42 | flyback | I gave my dad one of my 12 volt 4.2ah sla's I got at walmart clearance for $7 |
| 01:04.52 | flyback | he can run the portable fan I gave him for 7 hrs off it or something else |
| 01:05.03 | flyback | he almost liked that more than the fan ;) |
| 01:05.06 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 01:05.18 | sunrunner20 | and |
| 01:05.19 | MonMotha | yes, if you use a good charger and watchdog that will disconnect them before draining them too far (often part of the integrated charger/protection), they can have very good cycle life |
| 01:05.21 | sunrunner20 | to finish my sentanc3 |
| 01:05.27 | flyback | mon correct |
| 01:05.32 | sunrunner20 | but no often |
| 01:05.34 | MonMotha | certainly better than NiCd, though not as good as NiMH |
| 01:05.43 | flyback | but they still then have the problem of dying for no reason after 1-2 yrs |
| 01:05.51 | flyback | even if only cycled 50 times |
| 01:06.07 | sunrunner20 | lithium ion are far from no maitnance |
| 01:06.20 | sunrunner20 | recomend storing at ~30-50% charge |
| 01:06.42 | sunrunner20 | etc. |
| 01:07.40 | sunrunner20 | my main target is getting the damn cells first |
| 01:07.47 | sunrunner20 | been a PITA so far |
| 01:08.10 | sunrunner20 | working through contacts tryign to get ahold of 'em |
| 01:09.14 | sunrunner20 | after that its finding the appropiate case |
| 01:09.18 | sunrunner20 | and hooking up the circuitry |
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| 02:45.22 | jbevren | hm forth cpu |
| 02:45.24 | jbevren | interesting |
| 02:53.39 | flyback | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.53 | flyback | I just found out if you mod pin b21 on a socket 370 board you can force 100fsb |
| 02:53.54 | flyback | awesmoe |
| 02:54.02 | flyback | means I can turn this celeron 566 and 600 into usuable boxes |
| 02:54.19 | jbevren | only if the chipset supports 100fsb |
| 02:54.39 | flyback | it does :) |
| 02:55.04 | flyback | looks like I have to cut a pin |
| 02:56.05 | flyback | woot I bet I can mod that 400 also |
| 03:01.23 | MonMotha | since when was a 566 and 600MHz processor "slow"? |
| 03:01.30 | MonMotha | my server is a 350MHz K6-2 and it's plenty fast |
| 03:02.53 | flyback | I can't do video playback with them |
| 03:02.56 | flyback | they just stutter |
| 03:03.05 | flyback | only thing I can come upw ith is the 66 fsb is killing it |
| 03:03.32 | flyback | http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=332015 |
| 03:07.20 | MonMotha | video playback of what? |
| 03:07.26 | MonMotha | MPEG1 should be fine |
| 03:07.31 | flyback | omg my the i815 I have will do a 133 fsb too :P |
| 03:07.32 | MonMotha | even at DVD resolution |
| 03:07.40 | flyback | nullsoft video vp6 |
| 03:07.46 | flyback | and it struggles on dvd video also |
| 03:07.49 | MonMotha | what's VP6 based on? |
| 03:07.52 | MonMotha | well, DVD is MPEG2 |
| 03:08.07 | flyback | vp6 is based on vp6 |
| 03:08.07 | MonMotha | I know my 300MHz P2 can pull off 720x480 MPEG1, with only a 66MHz FSB |
| 03:08.19 | MonMotha | it's really not based on ANY of the MPEG standards in any way? |
| 03:08.22 | MonMotha | I find that hard to believe... |
| 03:08.41 | MonMotha | most video codecs are at least derrived from one of the MPEG standards at one point or another |
| 03:08.54 | MonMotha | mostly MPEG4 simple video |
| 03:08.58 | MonMotha | these days, at least |
| 03:09.26 | flyback | this one isn't |
| 03:09.28 | flyback | and is a bitch |
| 03:09.29 | MonMotha | but video decoding is rather demanding. It requires a lot of bandwidth as well as a lot of CPU time |
| 03:09.48 | MonMotha | my desktop has trouble with 1280x720x60 MPEG2, and can't even touch h.264 at that res |
| 03:10.04 | flyback | mabye you should try the solder mod :) |
| 03:10.05 | MonMotha | even with XvMC DCT acceleration |
| 03:10.13 | MonMotha | my desktop is an AthlonXP 2400+ |
| 03:10.15 | MonMotha | not a P2 |
| 03:10.21 | MonMotha | that's an ancient machine I haven't used in years |
| 03:10.27 | flyback | ah |
| 03:10.29 | MonMotha | I was just commenting that it can do 720x480x30 MPEG1 |
| 03:10.37 | flyback | dvd is mpeg-2 |
| 03:10.38 | flyback | not 1 |
| 03:10.39 | MonMotha | so DVD res, but MPEG1 |
| 03:10.40 | MonMotha | I'm aware |
| 03:10.51 | MonMotha | it can't do that |
| 03:11.09 | MonMotha | though that's usually 24fps progressive, rather than 29.97 interlaced |
| 03:11.29 | MonMotha | (which it still can't do) |
| 03:13.43 | flyback | BSEL1 BSEL0 Frequency |
| 03:13.43 | flyback | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:13.43 | flyback | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.43 | flyback | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:52.14 | prpplague | jbevren: ping |
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| 12:53.58 | jbevren | prpplague: pong |
| 12:54.13 | prpplague | jbevren: just got a call from customs |
| 12:54.29 | prpplague | jbevren: my first two pixters have cleared customs |
| 12:54.34 | prpplague | jbevren: be here tomorrow |
| 12:54.35 | prpplague | hehe |
| 12:54.47 | jbevren | are you sure? :P |
| 12:54.58 | prpplague | yea, ups has them |
| 13:01.11 | jbevren | hm operating shock of 250g's |
| 13:01.14 | jbevren | nice |
| 13:01.27 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 13:01.58 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, if you google for "enc28j60 linux", the top listing is the elinux.org pages |
| 13:02.08 | jbevren | cool |
| 13:02.14 | prpplague | just wish the hit counter was working |
| 13:02.23 | jbevren | do me a favor and recommend it to sparkfun. They seem to be dragging their feet, so we need to inflate demand |
| 13:06.10 | prpplague | wow there was big hit on the pages yesterday 1000 hits |
| 13:15.35 | jbevren | heh |
| 13:15.50 | prpplague | weeee pixters just arrived |
| 13:16.03 | jbevren | that only took like 6 months |
| 13:16.10 | jbevren | now that you have a spare, you wouldnt mind sending me one would you? |
| 13:16.38 | prpplague | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.15 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, but i would seriously consider purchasing one off ebay and having it sent to you, since you've been helping me with the dev |
| 13:17.37 | jbevren | thats cool and stuff. I actually want to get a pair or more |
| 13:18.01 | jbevren | btw, any idea where (other than a pixter) I could get a small TS to replace mine? |
| 13:18.41 | prpplague | jbevren: earthlcd sells some over lays iirc |
| 13:18.46 | jbevren | ah |
| 13:18.51 | jbevren | why didnt I think of that |
| 13:18.59 | prpplague | probably not worth it though |
| 13:19.08 | jbevren | yeah, price would be a bonus :) |
| 13:19.14 | prpplague | hehe now i have double of everything |
| 13:19.52 | jbevren | their smallest is 6" |
| 13:20.15 | jbevren | the prices arent -horrible- tho |
| 13:20.25 | jbevren | kits include glass and rs232 adapter |
| 13:45.25 | prpplague | jbevren: i got some 6-in-1 card readers |
| 13:45.37 | prpplague | jbevren: you can use a sd and sm at the same time |
| 13:45.52 | prpplague | jbevren: was thinking about using them with the juicebox |
| 13:45.59 | jbevren | sd or xd? |
| 13:46.14 | prpplague | jbevren: sd/mmc |
| 13:46.15 | jbevren | mine allow mmc and smartmedia too |
| 13:46.27 | prpplague | jbevren: you can fit them in at the same time? |
| 13:46.30 | jbevren | although I use my pcmcia ata adapter for smartmedia :) |
| 13:46.32 | jbevren | yah |
| 13:46.36 | prpplague | jbevren: ahh |
| 13:46.38 | jbevren | four slots, four usb block devices |
| 13:46.47 | prpplague | jbevren: ahh |
| 13:46.48 | jbevren | CF, mmc, sd.. hm wonder what the fourth is :) |
| 13:46.49 | jbevren | xd maybe |
| 13:47.08 | prpplague | jbevren: well this is the first one i've seen i could fit both in at the same time |
| 13:47.12 | prpplague | jbevren: very small |
| 13:47.29 | jbevren | mine's not 'very' small, but its small enough :) |
| 13:48.05 | jbevren | $145 for a 60gig automotive hard drive |
| 13:49.45 | prpplague | i had market this stuff down as a loss |
| 13:49.52 | prpplague | nice to get double |
| 13:49.53 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:50.01 | prpplague | now i can have a set of pixters at home |
| 13:50.17 | jbevren | :) |
| 13:50.22 | jbevren | your other pixters are at the office? |
| 13:50.46 | prpplague | jbevren: yea i;ve been keeping them there since i have alot of my "work" related tools there |
| 13:50.52 | jbevren | nod |
| 13:50.59 | jbevren | my office is in my bedroom :) |
| 13:51.16 | prpplague | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=DRV10867 |
| 13:51.30 | prpplague | you can make that into a mp3 cart for the juicebox in about 10 minutes |
| 13:52.04 | jbevren | I have an mp3 cart now actually |
| 13:52.53 | jbevren | http://www.mp3car.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=214&osCsid=9bb04234b064de371f8cbc47db7bbc2c |
| 13:52.56 | jbevren | there's a curious item |
| 13:52.58 | jbevren | usb to cardbus adatper |
| 13:53.44 | prpplague | yea interesting |
| 13:57.28 | jbevren | its probably geared to operate a 16550-based pcmcia card |
| 14:02.27 | jbevren | unless its a linux SoC with a serial gadget driver |
| 14:02.28 | jbevren | hrm :) |
| 14:03.04 | prpplague | hmm, i can seem to get logged on to yahoo im |
| 14:03.08 | prpplague | or check my yahoo mail |
| 14:04.07 | prpplague | jbevren: can you get to mail.yahoo.com? |
| 14:04.20 | jbevren | I cannot |
| 14:04.46 | prpplague | thats odd |
| 14:05.18 | jbevren | there it goes |
| 14:06.11 | prpplague | hmm, still not here |
| 14:06.17 | jbevren | cant log in tho |
| 14:06.17 | prpplague | nor im either |
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| 14:25.12 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: lo ho |
| 14:25.49 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
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| 14:37.15 | prpplague | jbevren: how did you break your ts? |
| 14:39.43 | jbevren | prpplague: I snapped it while trying to remove the lcd |
| 14:39.50 | jbevren | that was when I was getting its model number for ya ;P |
| 14:40.50 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:41.02 | prpplague | just wanted to make sure i didn't do the same thing |
| 14:46.03 | jbevren | you shouldnt need to remove the lcd from that part of the assembly :) |
| 14:46.06 | prpplague | jbevren: you tried running you pixter on 5V |
| 14:46.12 | jbevren | I am now |
| 14:46.16 | jbevren | 5v, 1a psu |
| 14:46.36 | prpplague | ok good, i'm planning a dev board for this weekend |
| 14:46.38 | jbevren | I had to decouple the battery box with a capacitor.. otherwise the pixter crashes right after the lcd turns white |
| 14:46.50 | jbevren | I dont know whats required, I just had a 2200uf one sitting nearby |
| 14:46.55 | prpplague | hmm |
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| 14:47.11 | jbevren | my bad, 27000 |
| 14:47.22 | jbevren | anyway, I switched to the psu because the batteries were at 4.5v :) |
| 14:47.32 | jbevren | no stability probs tho at 4.5 |
| 14:49.44 | prpplague | jbevren: i sure love the case of the pixter mm |
| 14:50.02 | jbevren | heh |
| 14:50.07 | jbevren | its a little big-ish,but it does fit the hands reasonably |
| 14:50.18 | jbevren | and there's enough thumb-hold to use the stylus |
| 15:09.32 | prpplague | jbevren: trying to decide which board to use |
| 15:10.24 | prpplague | jbevren: you can get a cheap thumb drive, remove all the parts and use it with some NOR flash as a protopcb |
| 15:15.20 | jbevren | the adapter has all the pads on its edge |
| 15:19.19 | jbevren | "Just open the valve, and your evening inflates" |
| 15:19.24 | jbevren | porn site or camping site? |
| 15:19.26 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:21.57 | agaffney | haha |
| 15:22.08 | agaffney | or both? |
| 15:22.25 | jbevren | coleman.com actually |
| 15:22.31 | jbevren | self-inflating sleep pads |
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| 15:44.58 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, i need some place to solder the nor flash down |
| 15:45.22 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm out of tsop proto board |
| 15:46.09 | prpplague | a web pal sim board would be perfect |
| 15:46.41 | jbevren | cisco flash memory |
| 15:46.44 | jbevren | no wait, thats nand isnt it |
| 15:47.54 | prpplague | i've been doing so much nand research, hehe i've not even looked for some easy to use nor flash |
| 16:00.49 | flyback | whao neat |
| 16:00.58 | flyback | actually I have see usb to pci and usb to isa |
| 16:01.45 | flyback | man I solved one of the bugs in my laptop last night, if this streak continues pretty soon I might actually start working on projects instead of just talknig about them due to anxienty |
| 16:02.25 | flyback | I also found out how to hack my celeron 566 and 600 systems to force use of a 100 mhz fsb instead of 66 |
| 16:02.34 | flyback | just have to ground a pin on the socket |
| 16:02.59 | jbevren | flyback: again |
| 16:03.02 | jbevren | the chipset has to support it |
| 16:03.03 | flyback | wish I had time to play with that but I gotta finish this job first :) |
| 16:03.06 | flyback | dude |
| 16:03.07 | flyback | I know that |
| 16:03.15 | jbevren | you can ground pins all you want, but if the chipset wont do 100mhz, neither will the socket :) |
| 16:03.20 | jbevren | but! |
| 16:03.23 | flyback | I been a tech for 13 yrs remeber |
| 16:03.33 | jbevren | youc an probably use a p3/800 or so (100mhz fsb) in one of those boards at 66mhz fsb |
| 16:03.46 | jbevren | assuming also that it can put out the right voltages from its VRM ;-) |
| 16:03.49 | flyback | they are 66/100 boards or I wouldn't even try |
| 16:03.57 | flyback | the one even does 133 also |
| 16:04.04 | jbevren | youre overclocking the celeron? |
| 16:04.08 | flyback | yes |
| 16:04.14 | jbevren | good luck with that :) |
| 16:04.16 | flyback | well they are celeron II's which are really p3 cores |
| 16:04.21 | flyback | so 100 fsb is a natural fit |
| 16:04.52 | prpplague | hmm, anyone know a good page to lookup specs on the memory cartridges available for ps2 and gamecube? |
| 16:05.07 | flyback | hmm |
| 16:05.19 | jbevren | playstation flashes are serial iirc |
| 16:05.20 | flyback | prpp you might want to try a mod channel on efnet |
| 16:05.24 | jbevren | I dont know anything about gamecube |
| 16:05.33 | prpplague | flyback: uh no |
| 16:05.38 | prpplague | flyback: efnet sucks |
| 16:05.43 | jbevren | agreed |
| 16:05.43 | jbevren | I know |
| 16:05.45 | jbevren | I'm on efnet too |
| 16:05.47 | flyback | prpplague walmart has a ton of memory cartriages on clearance |
| 16:05.56 | jbevren | there are three good channels, none of which would have an answer |
| 16:06.04 | flyback | uhh fine then sit there with your thumb up your rear end |
| 16:06.09 | jbevren | prpplague: is there a walmart in barbados? :) |
| 16:06.21 | flyback | I sometimes go to a xbox channel ecause they know how to solder tsop flash well |
| 16:06.31 | flyback | when they mod them |
| 16:06.42 | jbevren | I can solder tsop :) |
| 16:06.46 | prpplague | jbevren: uh no |
| 16:07.00 | jbevren | but I think prp's after information for using the memory device without modifications |
| 16:07.04 | jbevren | or with minimal ones. :) |
| 16:07.18 | flyback | I know that |
| 16:07.20 | flyback | the second he said that |
| 16:07.34 | flyback | but modders might happen to know the pinouts when they were tweaking them |
| 16:07.49 | jbevren | prpplague: btw, try looking up the gameboy devrs page |
| 16:07.58 | jbevren | they probably have info or helpful links |
| 16:08.11 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, i've looked at some of that already |
| 16:09.56 | flyback | dude |
| 16:10.00 | prpplague | jbevren: i think our only real easy option is using the camera cart |
| 16:10.03 | flyback | I didn't say go to efnet for hanging out sheesh |
| 16:10.28 | jbevren | :P |
| 16:11.57 | flyback | man I have to decide how to partition a 160 gig for /boot, swap, / and either /home or /var/spool/mail depending on how I set postfix |
| 16:12.01 | *** join/#edev bioeng (n=bioengin@68.216.132.14) |
| 16:12.04 | flyback | and I keep hitting a roadblock |
| 16:12.05 | bioeng | Hello everyone |
| 16:12.11 | flyback | hi |
| 16:12.19 | bioeng | Well, this weekend I'm going to be installing Fedora Linux |
| 16:12.25 | jbevren | flyback: have postfix deliver to /home |
| 16:12.32 | jbevren | that way user quotas in /home will control their email storage |
| 16:12.42 | prpplague | bioeng: greetings |
| 16:12.42 | jbevren | if you store email in /var, a heavy email user can interrupt email for others |
| 16:12.46 | flyback | ah |
| 16:13.02 | flyback | I thought you could set quotas in postfix itself anyways |
| 16:13.08 | jbevren | well, you can I guess |
| 16:13.26 | flyback | other thing is having seperate dirs might be a bitch for virus scanning |
| 16:13.28 | prpplague | jbevren: i wonder if i could use a dram sim board |
| 16:13.35 | flyback | prpplague |
| 16:13.36 | prpplague | jbevren: seems like it would be tssop |
| 16:13.36 | jbevren | I'd suggest separating the spool from /var if you go that way as well |
| 16:13.37 | bioeng | I'm still thinking about whether I should do embedded or not |
| 16:13.41 | flyback | what size nor do you need |
| 16:13.54 | jbevren | that way overgrown logs wont interfere with mail and vice versa |
| 16:14.00 | prpplague | flyback: i have the nor flash, min of 128k |
| 16:14.07 | flyback | ah |
| 16:14.08 | flyback | oh yuo do |
| 16:14.10 | jbevren | prpplague: xD too big? |
| 16:14.13 | flyback | cause I was going to suggest a dead pc |
| 16:14.19 | flyback | remove the flash bios |
| 16:14.24 | flyback | 128kb at least on a pentium and up |
| 16:14.33 | prpplague | jbevren: nor not nand |
| 16:14.37 | prpplague | ~lart jbevren |
| 16:14.41 | flyback | plus you can trick the pc into programming the flash |
| 16:14.42 | jbevren | nor, nand, whatever |
| 16:14.48 | flyback | before you remove it |
| 16:14.50 | jbevren | why cant they use commonsense terms |
| 16:14.52 | jbevren | like banked or linear |
| 16:15.05 | flyback | uhh cause it has to do with the gate tech used in it |
| 16:15.05 | jbevren | I'll be dead before I can get nor vs nand straight |
| 16:15.13 | jbevren | flyback: I dont care how the chip is built internally |
| 16:15.14 | jbevren | nobody does |
| 16:15.20 | flyback | yes they do actually |
| 16:15.20 | jbevren | all I care is whether or not its banked |
| 16:15.25 | prpplague | flyback: yea, the problem with that is more than likely the flash is 5v |
| 16:15.34 | flyback | prpplague oh you need 3.3 |
| 16:15.43 | flyback | damn |
| 16:15.46 | flyback | OH! |
| 16:15.50 | flyback | video cards used 3.3 |
| 16:16.06 | flyback | but thy are sually like 32-64kb I think :/ |
| 16:16.08 | bioeng | I recall that you guys were telling me I shouldn't do embedded |
| 16:16.24 | flyback | oh that reminds me |
| 16:16.24 | bioeng | And I think you guys were correct |
| 16:16.29 | flyback | you guys should get uniflash |
| 16:16.47 | flyback | programs bios flash chips but also works with some pci network cards |
| 16:16.53 | flyback | = poor man's flash programmer |
| 16:17.05 | flyback | as long as the device supports that chip and size and socket |
| 16:17.20 | jbevren | bioeng: Good thing you asked eh? |
| 16:17.29 | jbevren | why did you decide against? |
| 16:17.30 | prpplague | bioeng: yea |
| 16:17.33 | flyback | jbevren as i was saying |
| 16:17.40 | flyback | nor can be treated like ram for reads |
| 16:17.45 | bioeng | I still do want to use embedded for structural monitoring applications though |
| 16:17.52 | flyback | nand can't |
| 16:17.53 | jbevren | flyback: I'll remember this for about an hour |
| 16:17.58 | jbevren | prpplague's told me a number of times |
| 16:18.00 | flyback | you can't remeber this? |
| 16:18.05 | jbevren | I can remember linear |
| 16:18.07 | jbevren | and banked |
| 16:18.09 | jbevren | its commonsens |
| 16:18.12 | flyback | dude yuo guys remember all the stuff I can't |
| 16:18.19 | bioeng | but that is the only thing I could possibly do in this area with embedded |
| 16:18.19 | jbevren | flyback: think of it this way |
| 16:18.27 | flyback | oh here |
| 16:18.35 | jbevren | go around and call womens' restrooms 'nor' |
| 16:18.37 | jbevren | and mens 'nand' |
| 16:18.43 | jbevren | and tell me how much sense it makes |
| 16:19.02 | flyback | hah |
| 16:19.04 | flyback | speaking of |
| 16:19.14 | jbevren | are you going to the nand? |
| 16:19.15 | flyback | I have had a breakdown when they used terms like pointers and sitters before |
| 16:19.18 | flyback | on bathrooms |
| 16:19.44 | flyback | that was yrs ago back in the day when simple things like that didn't register in my head |
| 16:20.10 | flyback | jbe I alwasy think nor=firmware nand=flash drives and flash cards |
| 16:20.21 | jbevren | ok how does that make sense? |
| 16:20.33 | jbevren | given my gp2x loads its firmware from banked flash |
| 16:20.34 | flyback | it just does :P |
| 16:20.42 | jbevren | my gp2x has no nor flash in it |
| 16:20.47 | jbevren | :) |
| 16:20.49 | flyback | I didn't say there wasn't excemptions |
| 16:21.02 | jbevren | pixter does too |
| 16:21.04 | flyback | and that's because your gp2x has a cpu wired to allow it to boot from nand |
| 16:21.10 | flyback | nor just works as rom |
| 16:21.16 | jbevren | flyback: just drop it |
| 16:21.23 | flyback | don't get upset man :) |
| 16:21.27 | jbevren | I"m not |
| 16:21.28 | jbevren | yet :) |
| 16:21.40 | jbevren | but you and I are causing useless channel noise :) |
| 16:21.52 | flyback | here just bookmark this |
| 16:21.53 | flyback | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory |
| 16:22.01 | jbevren | thanks for dropping it. |
| 16:22.03 | prpplague | flyback: enough |
| 16:22.22 | flyback | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.25 | jbevren | prpplague: that said, what do you need linear flash on the pixter for? :) |
| 16:22.51 | flyback | sheesh |
| 16:23.13 | prpplague | jbevren: do the main boot |
| 16:23.19 | prpplague | jbevren: bootloader and such |
| 16:23.27 | jbevren | the no-mods custom cartridge? |
| 16:23.37 | prpplague | jbevren: basically temp replacement for the rom |
| 16:23.45 | prpplague | jbevren: just need some to dev with first |
| 16:23.45 | jbevren | I thought the onboard rom wasnt linear |
| 16:23.46 | jbevren | :) |
| 16:23.53 | jbevren | I'd have to reread |
| 16:23.55 | jbevren | shrug :P |
| 16:23.57 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, from what i can tell its nor |
| 16:24.20 | prpplague | jbevren: i have to double check the registers but its set to boot from nCS1 with 16bit wide nor flash |
| 16:24.59 | jbevren | flyback: do not do that again. |
| 16:25.10 | flyback | man |
| 16:25.17 | flyback | must be that time of the month for the channel |
| 16:25.21 | jbevren | must be :P |
| 16:25.37 | jbevren | or there's some retard incapable of learning running around and instigating BS. |
| 16:25.43 | jbevren | lab rats figure things out faster |
| 16:25.54 | flyback | retard? |
| 16:26.00 | flyback | instigating ? |
| 16:26.03 | jbevren | retard = slow |
| 16:26.07 | flyback | FUCK YOU TOO THEN |
| 16:26.08 | jbevren | instigate = cause problems with intent |
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| 16:26.21 | jbevren | ciao |
| 16:26.34 | jbevren | canuck me in privmsg indeed |
| 16:26.42 | jbevren | prpplague: now that that's out of the way. :) |
| 16:35.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:36.08 | prpplague | i think i found a donner board |
| 16:36.08 | prpplague | a cf card |
| 16:36.50 | prpplague | i'll have to de populate the board |
| 16:37.18 | jbevren | cool |
| 16:37.22 | jbevren | for a tsop breakout? |
| 16:37.29 | jbevren | ack brb |
| 16:37.37 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:47.26 | prpplague | jbevren: i really could use another camera cartridge |
| 16:47.34 | prpplague | jbevren: i think if i had one it would be easy |
| 16:47.57 | prpplague | jbevren: (an un damaged one) |
| 16:48.05 | jbevren | nod |
| 16:48.24 | jbevren | so youre going to cut CS1 and use your own firmware chip then? |
| 16:49.10 | prpplague | just for development |
| 16:49.26 | jbevren | yeah, I fugred for dev |
| 16:49.35 | jbevren | while youre at it, |
| 16:49.44 | jbevren | jump the onboard rom to CS0 so you can read it ;-) |
| 16:49.52 | prpplague | jbevren: i might go ahead and try getting apex to boot from nand |
| 16:50.06 | prpplague | jbevren: should be able to do a dump from jtag |
| 16:50.15 | jbevren | I'm not 100% clear on the boot process though. Does it just copy the first block to ram and go? |
| 16:50.50 | prpplague | jbevren: don't know yet |
| 16:50.56 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:51.16 | jbevren | or can you do random access within a block once you have it selected |
| 16:51.26 | prpplague | jbevren: ?? |
| 16:51.58 | jbevren | for the (nand?) banked flash, once you map a block, can you access that bank of words in any order? |
| 16:53.13 | prpplague | jbevren: nand works like nor in the way you can read and write addresses, the difference is that in NAND, you aren't guaranteed a storage would be correct and you need to do things like crc checks |
| 16:54.43 | prpplague | really wish i had a camera board that wasn't broken |
| 16:55.41 | jbevren | hmm so with nand, you read the extra crc bits too and check them in software? |
| 16:56.10 | prpplague | jbevren: simplified , but yes |
| 16:56.32 | jbevren | gotcha |
| 16:58.19 | prpplague | hmm |
| 16:58.34 | prpplague | i might be able to use one of my old sa1110 boards |
| 16:58.40 | prpplague | just remove the sa1110 |
| 16:58.55 | jbevren | do you use a heatgun for that? |
| 16:59.08 | prpplague | jbevren: yea its bga |
| 16:59.21 | prpplague | i probably could use a cloths iron |
| 17:00.48 | jbevren | good luck remounting it :) |
| 17:04.06 | prpplague | jbevren: why would i remount it? |
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| 17:04.57 | flyback | you know jbevren it's really freaking nice to know that you think so highly of me than you think I have nothing better to do than try to start stuff in this channel |
| 17:05.30 | prpplague | flyback / jbevren its over done, no more about it |
| 17:05.38 | flyback | fine |
| 17:07.45 | prpplague | jbevren: yea looks like i can use the module |
| 17:07.49 | prpplague | jbevren: its kinda big |
| 17:08.03 | prpplague | jbevren: but i have access to some nice solder points |
| 17:08.14 | prpplague | jbevren: its a sodim |
| 17:16.04 | jbevren | cool |
| 17:17.36 | prpplague | jbevren: should be able to solder it up |
| 17:18.01 | prpplague | jbevren: trying to decide if thats what i want to do though |
| 17:18.16 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm starting to thing maybe i should just go with the nand flash |
| 17:18.36 | prpplague | jbevren: specially since i have alot of proto stuff for it |
| 17:18.41 | prpplague | i.e. lots of sm cards |
| 17:19.04 | prpplague | i need to get a couple of those sponge bob carts |
| 17:19.44 | prpplague | i also was thinking of de populating one of the pixtermm pcb's inorder to do more schematic work |
| 17:19.58 | prpplague | lots to do lots to do |
| 17:20.09 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:20.10 | jbevren | indeed |
| 17:20.19 | prpplague | i guess i could just use jtag and toggle lines |
| 17:20.31 | jbevren | if I were less inclined to save money, I'd get a pixter to depopulate :P |
| 17:21.18 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe just get a replacement pixter, and depopulate the one with the broken ts |
| 17:22.09 | jbevren | but this one works :) |
| 17:22.23 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:22.52 | prpplague | jbevren: i guess i still need a few things |
| 17:23.06 | prpplague | jbevren: i need to get a couple camera boards and a couple spongebob carts |
| 17:23.48 | jbevren | I was figuring on attaching this one to a board for dev junk |
| 17:23.53 | jbevren | since the TS is broke :) |
| 17:23.57 | prpplague | ahh |
| 17:24.06 | prpplague | jbevren: yea thats what i;m planning to do with one |
| 17:24.16 | jbevren | cut the CS1 gap and extend both ends so I can jump it |
| 17:24.23 | prpplague | jbevren: yea |
| 17:24.57 | prpplague | jbevren: well, i guess what i need to do is go ahead and get this nor flash working that way i can dump their rom and do some tests and such |
| 17:25.04 | prpplague | jbevren: what do you think? |
| 17:25.06 | jbevren | nod |
| 17:25.09 | jbevren | hrm |
| 17:27.41 | prpplague | wonder if i should think about hacking the ram as well on my dev one |
| 17:28.09 | flyback | so prpplague did you decent about getting one of those cheap pixter knock offs to see how it works |
| 17:28.14 | flyback | decide |
| 17:28.27 | prpplague | flyback: i ordered two |
| 17:28.42 | flyback | let me know how it goes |
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| 17:34.31 | prpplague | flyback: looks like i can remove the cpu and the core voltage chip, and leave everything else |
| 17:34.37 | prpplague | flyback: oops that was for jbevren |
| 17:34.43 | prpplague | jbevren : looks like i can remove the cpu and the core voltage chip, and leave everything else |
| 17:35.00 | prpplague | jbevren: then if i leave the sdram i can tinker with it later |
| 17:38.41 | prpplague | jbevren: i'll start doing some jtag stuff over the weekend |
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| 17:53.19 | jbevren | prpplague: cool |
| 17:53.22 | jbevren | I'm camping this weekend |
| 17:53.34 | jbevren | here's hoping it doesnt come out like it did last time I went camping |
| 17:53.47 | jbevren | mind you, I'm using my own f/ing tent this time, so I wont get wet INSIDE my tent |
| 17:54.09 | prpplague | ?? |
| 17:54.14 | jbevren | I went backpacking |
| 17:54.16 | jbevren | we got rained on |
| 17:54.24 | prpplague | jbevren: ahh |
| 17:54.25 | jbevren | and my brother's backpacking tent is as watertight as a paper towel |
| 17:54.35 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:54.50 | jbevren | my nephew pulled his bag out when it stopped raining and water poured from it |
| 17:55.06 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:55.32 | prpplague | tents are for wimps |
| 17:57.49 | bioeng | I need to make one thing clear guys |
| 17:57.57 | jbevren | youre not gay? |
| 17:57.58 | bioeng | for myself |
| 17:57.59 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:58.38 | prpplague | bioeng: you're not a m$ spy are you? hehe |
| 17:59.10 | MonMotha | scaring off MS spies is easy |
| 17:59.17 | MonMotha | just tell them all conversations in here are licensed under the GPL |
| 17:59.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:59.51 | prpplague | MonMotha: won't a conversation be more likely covered under creative commons? |
| 18:00.21 | MonMotha | prpplague: GPL scares MS more |
| 18:00.38 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:01.13 | bioeng | Why do you recommend against me doing embedded systems as an EE specialization? |
| 18:01.15 | bioeng | No |
| 18:01.37 | bioeng | I'm not a Microsoft employee |
| 18:01.46 | bioeng | I'm just a guy wanting a better life for himself |
| 18:01.57 | bioeng | Something better than being a construction laborer |
| 18:02.00 | prpplague | bioeng: if you are concerned with making a whole lot of money as your driving force, then embedded isn't for you |
| 18:02.15 | bioeng | I don't care about money |
| 18:02.29 | bioeng | I just want to have a happier, less physical work life |
| 18:02.49 | prpplague | bioeng: but your conversation the other day with us indicated you were concerned about money issues |
| 18:02.52 | jbevren | physical work life keeps you slim and sexy ;-) |
| 18:03.00 | prpplague | bioeng: with all the comparisons of your "friend" |
| 18:03.12 | prpplague | and burns off the beer |
| 18:03.14 | bioeng | It's just that I come home so tired every day |
| 18:03.24 | prpplague | bioeng: HA |
| 18:03.27 | MonMotha | embedded design is often very tiring |
| 18:03.34 | prpplague | bioeng: and you expect it to be different in embedded |
| 18:03.34 | bioeng | I mostly just fall in bed and sleep |
| 18:03.41 | MonMotha | it's really hard to stare at a PCB layout on the screen for 8 hours straight and not be tired |
| 18:03.55 | MonMotha | hard enough with 2 layers, let alone 4 + power/ground planes |
| 18:03.55 | bioeng | I do think I would happier as an engineer though |
| 18:04.05 | prpplague | bioeng: most nights of the week i come home with the mental capabilities of a brain damaged asylum inmate |
| 18:04.08 | bioeng | My school was just so horrible |
| 18:04.42 | MonMotha | prpplague: that would be the new topic in here if we didn't already have a good one :) |
| 18:04.50 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 18:05.12 | jbevren | bioeng: that's not a work choice |
| 18:05.17 | jbevren | thats due to lifestyle and diet |
| 18:05.19 | prpplague | bioeng: 90% of the people i know doing development work can say the same thing |
| 18:05.31 | jbevren | I'm not even in dev and I'm busted by the end of the day |
| 18:05.36 | jbevren | <- tech support and sysadmin |
| 18:05.50 | prpplague | jbevren: i meant about the school |
| 18:06.09 | MonMotha | my school is fine, but there's plenty of stuff you simply can't learn in a classroom |
| 18:06.18 | MonMotha | you learn it by doing it, and screwing up |
| 18:06.20 | jbevren | prpplague: ah |
| 18:06.26 | jbevren | prpplague: my point stands :) |
| 18:06.30 | prpplague | jbevren: true |
| 18:06.49 | prpplague | jbevren: its about having to put all your effort into learning new stuff every day |
| 18:07.03 | MonMotha | the embedded world moves very fast |
| 18:07.06 | prpplague | bioeng: most jobs in the world, once you learn what you need, you are done |
| 18:07.12 | MonMotha | and at the same time, it moves very slowly |
| 18:07.28 | prpplague | bioeng: as long as you remember what you were taught you are good at your job |
| 18:07.32 | MonMotha | you're constantly hacking around with new processors and ancient interfaces |
| 18:07.34 | prpplague | bioeng: not so with dev work |
| 18:07.36 | MonMotha | or vice versa |
| 18:07.40 | prpplague | MonMotha: exactly |
| 18:07.43 | MonMotha | and each project is different |
| 18:08.09 | MonMotha | maybe today I'll be using an AVR with SPI. Next project will maybe use CAN and an ARM. Then maybe an x86 with I2C everywhere |
| 18:08.16 | prpplague | bioeng: on a momments notice i could be handed 40 datasheets and asked to make head or tails of it all in 14 days |
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| 18:08.46 | MonMotha | maybe you need to watch power consumption, maybe physical size is an issue, perhaps you just need the most performance you can get for the cost |
| 18:08.49 | MonMotha | so many variables |
| 18:08.58 | prpplague | exactly |
| 18:09.29 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe, my wife hates it sometimes, because when she asks me to do something, i have about 40 questions for her regarding what she asked me to do |
| 18:09.35 | MonMotha | heh |
| 18:09.36 | MonMotha | yup |
| 18:10.00 | MonMotha | just gathering requirements for an embedded system is a pain. It's sometimes harder than even large software systems (which are noutoriously bad) |
| 18:10.31 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, one thing i struggle with is getting a "what to we intend to accomplish" statement from management |
| 18:10.40 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 18:11.03 | MonMotha | sometimes they're so into stating specifics, when really it would be better to just give a project goal and then start doign research |
| 18:11.08 | prpplague | MonMotha: "we want a color quarter vga screen with a nice gui and tons of windows" |
| 18:11.10 | MonMotha | especially given the rate at which things change |
| 18:11.28 | MonMotha | prpplague: yeah...and what is the device supposed to do exactly? uhmmm... |
| 18:11.30 | prpplague | MonMotha: "ok what for?" "we need to display a two line barcode and description" |
| 18:11.51 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe |
| 18:12.33 | MonMotha | exactly |
| 18:12.47 | prpplague | bioeng: ever been to the DMV and waited in line for a long time to speak to someone who acted like they wished they were somewhere else? |
| 18:12.59 | jbevren | heh |
| 18:13.02 | jbevren | our dmv doesnt have lines |
| 18:13.07 | jbevren | and its run by one person |
| 18:13.11 | MonMotha | you mean you don't ahve a dmv? :) |
| 18:13.18 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:13.27 | jbevren | MonMotha: I live in a sparsely populated area |
| 18:13.28 | prpplague | actually in texas its the DPS |
| 18:13.29 | jbevren | it has its advantages |
| 18:13.35 | jbevren | no waiting in line at the tag and title office |
| 18:13.37 | jbevren | no waiting at the dmv |
| 18:13.42 | MonMotha | jbevren: internet access tends to suck, though |
| 18:13.44 | jbevren | no stoplights in this entire county |
| 18:13.48 | jbevren | 1.544Mbit dsl |
| 18:13.49 | jbevren | :D |
| 18:14.02 | MonMotha | yeah, that's kinda slow |
| 18:14.07 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:14.08 | MonMotha | that's only a T1 |
| 18:14.09 | jbevren | does the job |
| 18:14.14 | MonMotha | I'm on 5Mb cable |
| 18:14.19 | jbevren | I could move 12 miles to the neighboring county |
| 18:14.19 | MonMotha | only 512k up though |
| 18:14.26 | jbevren | and still not wait in line :) |
| 18:14.43 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:14.48 | jbevren | my rent difference is offset farther than the cost of my internet |
| 18:14.49 | prpplague | bioeng: that answer your question? |
| 18:14.53 | jbevren | 2br house for 250/month :) |
| 18:15.06 | MonMotha | not bad |
| 18:15.16 | jbevren | right across the street from the school |
| 18:15.19 | jbevren | block from the park |
| 18:15.21 | jbevren | two from downtown |
| 18:15.30 | MonMotha | that's less than I pay for a studio in an area that's somewhat middle of nowhere |
| 18:15.34 | jbevren | it takes me 15 minutes to pay my monthly bills, and I do it on foot :) |
| 18:15.35 | MonMotha | basically, it's the town in the middle of nowhere :) |
| 18:15.54 | jbevren | and we know who lives here |
| 18:15.57 | jbevren | and who doesnt :) |
| 18:16.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:16.47 | prpplague | jbevren: and those who don't live there but visit, end up at the diner? |
| 18:16.57 | prpplague | jbevren: as the mystery meat, hehe |
| 18:18.27 | prpplague | hmm |
| 18:18.35 | prpplague | anyone familiar with links browser? |
| 18:19.58 | prpplague | jbevren: well apex runs from ram |
| 18:20.06 | prpplague | jbevren: on the pixtermm |
| 18:20.15 | prpplague | jbevren: started but crashed |
| 18:20.44 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:20.57 | jbevren | I nearly said 'thats a start' |
| 18:21.06 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe |
| 18:21.24 | prpplague | jbevren: but thats a good sign |
| 18:21.35 | prpplague | jbevren: it init'd the uart and spit out the boot text |
| 18:22.55 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm still trying to figure out what those two addition CoB's are |
| 18:25.28 | jbevren | one's probably power control |
| 18:26.02 | prpplague | it would have been so much nice if they had used 8mb ram |
| 18:27.05 | jbevren | nod |
| 18:27.06 | jbevren | shrug |
| 18:27.12 | jbevren | cant ask for everything I guess |
| 18:28.55 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:29.02 | prpplague | man that lcd cable is in there |
| 18:29.32 | jbevren | indeed |
| 18:30.39 | jbevren | http://flhurricane.com/ |
| 18:30.42 | jbevren | whats wrong with that picture |
| 18:31.45 | prpplague | don't know what is? |
| 18:32.57 | prpplague | jbevren: that storm passed through here about 2 days ago |
| 18:33.52 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:34.12 | prpplague | i'm seriously interested to see what that guy is up to |
| 18:34.30 | prpplague | he sounds like a reported or someone doing research |
| 18:34.40 | prpplague | asking strange questions |
| 18:36.10 | prpplague | wish i had some tsop protoboards |
| 18:38.35 | prpplague | jbevren: ping |
| 18:45.48 | jbevren | pong |
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| 19:11.31 | jbevren | zz |
| 19:11.32 | jbevren | :) |
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| 20:03.07 | prpplague | jbevren: hey |
| 20:03.09 | prpplague | jbevren: ping |
| 20:05.34 | CosmicPenguin | I hate autotools |
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| 21:07.03 | jbevren | prpplague: pong |
| 21:11.14 | prpplague | jbevren: did you have to do anything to get your jtag working? |
| 21:12.36 | prpplague | jbevren: i have to go get my brat, bbiab |
| 21:13.54 | jbevren | prp: yeah |
| 21:13.58 | jbevren | ping me when you return you sod |
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| 21:18.35 | bioengine | Sorry all |
| 21:18.44 | jbevren | wb bioengine |
| 21:18.44 | bioengine | I had trouble connecting at work |
| 21:19.05 | bioengine | So, jbevren, do you have a degree, and who do you work for? |
| 21:19.22 | jbevren | bioengine: I studied a year in college, got stupid, and dropped out |
| 21:19.32 | jbevren | I worked for 8 odd years doing odd jobs like construction and toilet cleaning |
| 21:19.39 | jbevren | atm I work remote as a sysadmin |
| 21:19.52 | bioengine | Are you interested in going back to school? |
| 21:19.59 | jbevren | somewhat |
| 21:20.05 | bioengine | That is why you are in an embedded chat room? |
| 21:20.18 | jbevren | I'm here because Ive had an interest in hardware since high school |
| 21:20.29 | jbevren | I'm the nerd that ran around with tech manuals and studied schematics in study hall |
| 21:20.40 | bioengine | I'm here because I'm a nerdy EE who wants a better life |
| 21:20.43 | jbevren | by time I got into college I knew more about the commodore 64 than the designers did |
| 21:20.44 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.03 | jbevren | and nearly as much about the apple 2 |
| 21:21.15 | bioengine | I'm starting to study schematics in the past few months myself |
| 21:21.18 | bioengine | Cool reading |
| 21:21.37 | jbevren | I have this dream of making a completely useless two-processor system based on a 65816 |
| 21:21.57 | jbevren | the real reason is the challenge of getting two on the same bus in a cooperative fashion :) |
| 21:22.30 | bioengine | You'd need a control circuit to coordinate the two processors |
| 21:22.53 | bioengine | For example, say an operation took more than one cycle |
| 21:23.19 | jbevren | the 816 is somewhat geared for cooperative environments |
| 21:23.33 | jbevren | RMW instructions cause a 'mlock' pin to assert |
| 21:23.36 | jbevren | etc |
| 21:23.41 | bioengine | Do you know anything about programming? |
| 21:23.49 | jbevren | very little |
| 21:23.53 | jbevren | I can barely code in C |
| 21:24.00 | jbevren | I'm ok in 6500 assembly |
| 21:24.09 | bioengine | I'm trying to get back into C/C++ programming myself |
| 21:24.22 | bioengine | Are you making good money in sysadmin? |
| 21:24.52 | jbevren | pretty good yeah |
| 21:25.00 | jbevren | its fairly stressful some days tho |
| 21:25.14 | jbevren | I can say that I dont worry about my money much |
| 21:25.22 | jbevren | I just watch what I buy |
| 21:25.52 | jbevren | that I learned as a kid though. I had 5 siblings and the family probably lived on around 15k |
| 21:26.08 | bioengine | What's your annual income, if you don't mind me asking? |
| 21:26.34 | jbevren | I do unfortunately :) |
| 21:26.37 | bioengine | OK |
| 21:26.38 | jbevren | I dont konw you well enough to say |
| 21:26.45 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - thats not a very good question to ask |
| 21:26.51 | bioengine | I apologize |
| 21:26.55 | jbevren | I'm not offended :) |
| 21:27.05 | bioengine | I was wanting to encourage jbevren to join the engineering circus |
| 21:27.10 | bioengine | EE specifically |
| 21:27.12 | jbevren | hehe |
| 21:27.25 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/pixter/debugstation.jpg |
| 21:27.27 | jbevren | I am joining |
| 21:27.33 | jbevren | thats my homebrew jtag on the protoboard |
| 21:27.42 | jbevren | and a pixter showing a picture of my niece |
| 21:29.21 | bioengine | I'm about to graduate electrical and computer engineering, if you have any questions about it |
| 21:29.41 | jbevren | heh |
| 21:29.56 | jbevren | the thing about going to college for EE studies etc |
| 21:30.04 | jbevren | you have to waste your money on liberal arts classes |
| 21:30.16 | bioengine | True |
| 21:30.23 | bioengine | That's true of any degree |
| 21:30.36 | bioengine | I hated liberal arts, and got them done ASAP |
| 21:30.41 | jbevren | not my AA in computer systems and network technologies |
| 21:30.49 | jbevren | no liberal arts wastage |
| 21:30.53 | jbevren | two years of year-round study |
| 21:31.02 | jbevren | it was to cost me $11k in the end, but I dropped out before the first year |
| 21:31.30 | jbevren | grads were expected to start 25-40k and some were making 75+ 3 years after graduating |
| 21:31.34 | jbevren | this was 10 years ago mind you |
| 21:32.25 | bioengine | Anyways |
| 21:32.43 | bioengine | I was wanting to know why embedded systems aren't a good field within EE for me to pursue |
| 21:33.40 | bioengine | because prpplague and everyone else said to not do it |
| 21:39.26 | jbevren | embedded systems design can be pretty draining |
| 21:39.52 | bioengine | How do you know this? |
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| 21:54.49 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 21:55.58 | jbevren | prpplague: re jtag |
| 21:56.01 | jbevren | not much |
| 21:56.12 | jbevren | you have to tie the debug lines via a resistor |
| 21:56.19 | jbevren | or via two.. you cant tie them together |
| 21:57.13 | prpplague | test1 and test2? |
| 21:58.25 | jbevren | yeah |
| 21:58.44 | jbevren | I had to use a larger resistor for one. If theyre tied too tight (low resistance) the cpu wont bootstrap |
| 22:01.15 | prpplague | what kind of value |
| 22:02.42 | prpplague | 100k ? |
| 22:02.54 | jbevren | one sec, I'll peek |
| 22:03.48 | jbevren | bear in mind my test lines are on a pair of twisted wires, so I'm not sure which is which |
| 22:03.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:04.04 | jbevren | at any rate, one is tied with 47 ohms, the other with 47k |
| 22:04.06 | jbevren | both to ground |
| 22:04.13 | jbevren | they may both work with (separate) 47k's |
| 22:04.27 | jbevren | I just grabbed a couple resistors sitting at my desk :) |
| 22:04.38 | prpplague | yea that sound about right |
| 22:06.21 | prpplague | jbevren: what jtag app are you using? |
| 22:06.29 | prpplague | ocd comander? |
| 22:06.56 | jbevren | yeah |
| 22:07.02 | jbevren | its beer thirty heh |
| 22:07.06 | jbevren | Im going to run off :P |
| 22:07.32 | prpplague | ok |
| 22:07.33 | prpplague | later |
| 22:07.53 | jbevren | prpplague: once you get the test lines tied its pretty easy. You can ID the chip without test active, but cant enter jtag debug |
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| 22:10.58 | bioengine | Hi everyone |
| 22:11.19 | bioengine | What would be a good software project, open source, for an EE to work on to get experience? |
| 22:25.23 | prpplague | bioengine: hehe, i thought you decided against embedded dev |
| 22:29.37 | bioengine | I just need to get some experience for the EE degree |
| 22:30.02 | bioengine | And there are no internships except open source for EE in my region |
| 22:30.11 | bioengine | And I have to take care of my family |
| 22:31.18 | prpplague | bioengine: grab a cheap ipaq and get it running linux |
| 22:31.41 | prpplague | bioengine: if you feel comfortable doing that then move on to something else |
| 22:31.46 | bioengine | i did find an interesting EE project though |
| 22:31.53 | bioengine | Spice+ |
| 22:32.11 | prpplague | oh she is so hot...oh wait not that one. hhehe |
| 22:32.23 | bioengine | the circuit simulation program |
| 22:35.10 | prpplague | well although that probably qualifies as embedded i doubt you will find anyone of the smaller companies interested in it |
| 22:37.08 | bioengine | What would be a good open source project to help me get experience? |
| 22:38.22 | prpplague | hehe i just told you, hehe |
| 22:39.19 | bioengine | I was having connection problems earlier |
| 22:39.28 | bioengine | What would be that project again? |
| 22:39.44 | prpplague | bioengine: grab a cheap ipaq and get it running linux |
| 22:39.47 | prpplague | bioengine: if you feel comfortable doing that then move on to something else |
| 22:40.17 | bioengine | I already feel comfortable doing that |
| 22:40.25 | bioengine | What do you recommend after that? |
| 22:41.21 | bioengine | I just need to be like my friend |
| 22:41.35 | bioengine | So what do you recommend? |
| 22:42.21 | bioengine | I'm sorry if I offended you |
| 22:43.11 | bioengine | Hello? |
| 22:43.13 | bioengine | I'm sorry |
| 22:43.43 | bioengine | I'm so sorry |
| 22:43.56 | bioengine | Hey, are you there? |
| 22:43.57 | bioengine | I'm sorry |
| 22:44.39 | bioengine | HEY |
| 22:44.44 | bioengine | Are you there? |
| 22:45.11 | bioengine | Did I offend anyone? |
| 22:45.11 | agaffney | bioengine: can you just shut up for a minute? |
| 22:45.24 | agaffney | did you ever consider that perhaps he got up from his computer to go pee or something? |
| 22:45.31 | bioengine | I apologize |
| 22:46.47 | prpplague | bioengine: then purchase an off the shelf dev board and start hacking |
| 22:46.59 | bioengine | OK |
| 22:46.59 | prpplague | bioengine: i'd suggest on of the s3c2410 boards from littlechips |
| 22:47.16 | prpplague | bioengine: gonna run you about $500 with lcd |
| 22:47.23 | bioengine | ouch |
| 22:47.24 | prpplague | bioengine: but its a good board |
| 22:47.41 | bioengine | I mainly just need software experience |
| 22:47.46 | prpplague | bioengine: hehe, i paid 6k for my first board |
| 22:47.56 | prpplague | bioengine: gotta have something to put it on |
| 22:48.08 | prpplague | bioengine: if you wanna go check then get a webpal |
| 22:48.16 | prpplague | bioengine: or juicebox |
| 22:48.30 | bioengine | I want to participate in a project that other people and other employers actually care about |
| 22:49.04 | prpplague | bioengine: hehe, you are really having a hard time aren't you?..... |
| 22:49.21 | bioengine | I was rejected from the engineering honor society for lack of internships |
| 22:49.31 | bioengine | Everyone at school hated me |
| 22:50.02 | agaffney | :P |
| 22:50.16 | prpplague | bioengine: there are basically two types of projects you will find out there, ones that there a thousand people are working on, which means no one cares about it since everyone is doing it |
| 22:50.25 | bioengine | There are no jobs in my area for EE's |
| 22:50.32 | bioengine | Sorry, please continue |
| 22:50.41 | prpplague | bioengine: the other is the projects NO ONE is working on, and those are the ones that people care about |
| 22:50.44 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:51.30 | prpplague | bioengine: you are too worried about the biz side of this, internships, scholorships , school and such |
| 22:52.02 | bioengine | Well, how are people at school supposed to respect me? |
| 22:52.22 | CosmicPenguin | you guys got respect at school? |
| 22:52.26 | prpplague | not me |
| 22:52.28 | CosmicPenguin | Thats what I get for going to utah |
| 22:52.34 | prpplague | or texas |
| 22:52.41 | CosmicPenguin | well, texas is a given |
| 22:52.45 | bioengine | All of the kids were friends with each other, and shunned me |
| 22:52.46 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:52.53 | prpplague | and? |
| 22:53.08 | bioengine | They made my environment horrible |
| 22:53.16 | prpplague | and? |
| 22:53.19 | bioengine | They would call me VERY nasty names and such |
| 22:53.23 | prpplague | and? |
| 22:53.36 | prpplague | you aren't saying anything that we all haven't had |
| 22:53.44 | bioengine | Then they rejected me from the honor society because they did not like me |
| 22:53.49 | bioengine | But they liked each other |
| 22:54.37 | prpplague | uh so what? |
| 22:55.03 | bioengine | You went through this in school? |
| 22:55.08 | prpplague | yea |
| 22:55.08 | bioengine | With your engineering peers? |
| 22:55.26 | CosmicPenguin | I was a greek majoring in computer science - nobody liked me |
| 22:55.28 | prpplague | yea before i said f' it and went to work doing real computer dev |
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| 22:56.01 | SG3S | yup sounds good |
| 22:56.07 | bioengine | Actually |
| 22:56.14 | prpplague | SG3S: ?? |
| 22:56.16 | bioengine | I could start my own open source projects |
| 22:56.22 | SG3S | heh? |
| 22:56.25 | bioengine | more towards my interests |
| 22:56.29 | prpplague | <SG3S> yup sounds good |
| 22:56.41 | bioengine | more biased towards EE |
| 22:56.54 | bioengine | and civil engineering too |
| 22:57.05 | prpplague | bioengine: yep |
| 22:57.19 | bioengine | I think where I have trouble is graphics |
| 22:57.24 | bioengine | graphical user interfaces |
| 22:57.34 | CosmicPenguin | join the club |
| 22:57.34 | prpplague | bioengine: people in the OSS judge you on your work not much anything |
| 22:57.44 | prpplague | else |
| 22:58.11 | bioengine | You know, I need to create an open source project for structural monitoring systems |
| 22:58.50 | prpplague | bioengine: 99% of embedded dev is research |
| 22:59.03 | prpplague | ( or atleast IMHO) |
| 22:59.05 | bioengine | and structural monitoring is very much research |
| 22:59.19 | bioengine | There's a professor at school researching structural monitoring |
| 22:59.38 | bioengine | I do anticipate embedded systems being used for monitoring sensors |
| 23:00.11 | bioengine | So I should read up on this |
| 23:00.41 | bioengine | And then get a project going on structural health monitoring |
| 23:00.56 | bioengine | So what do you think? |
| 23:02.52 | prpplague | bioengine: hey, i have enough trouble making my own decisions, you should do what makes you happy d00d |
| 23:03.03 | bioengine | Well, I'm going to think about this |
| 23:03.13 | bioengine | and I may have just found something to do |
| 23:03.17 | prpplague | bioengine: just don't let it be colored by some petty school honor society crap |
| 23:03.27 | prpplague | jeeze |
| 23:03.40 | prpplague | that person needs to see a shrink |
| 23:03.59 | prpplague | atleast flyback knows hes screwed up |
| 23:06.58 | *** mode/#edev [+o prpplague] by ChanServ |
| 23:10.41 | prpplague | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200263,00.html |
| 23:10.46 | prpplague | man that worries me |
| 23:11.46 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - that would be...bad |
| 23:12.01 | prpplague | http://reviews.cnet.com/Philips_Digital_Camera_Key_Ring_Key007/4505-6501_7-30475883.html |
| 23:12.15 | prpplague | basically a thumb drive + camera |
| 23:12.39 | CosmicPenguin | fun |
| 23:12.56 | ohsix | http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/cameras/7886/ |
| 23:13.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i wanted to get a thumb drive, but saw that, and since i don't use a cell phone, it work well for me |
| 23:14.10 | prpplague | ohsix: yea i've seen that one, wasn't sure if it was linux compatible though |
| 23:14.33 | ohsix | gphoto2 can do amazing thinsg |
| 23:15.13 | prpplague | so i hear |
| 23:15.50 | prpplague | man that n.korea thing is worrysome |
| 23:16.00 | ohsix | most cameras are "Standard" now, as far as the software side stuff gos, then they just "work" with windows (and by extension, software that does the same thing) |
| 23:16.13 | prpplague | yea |
| 23:19.32 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3139200144.html |
| 23:19.39 | prpplague | man thats a beauty |
| 23:19.51 | prpplague | wish we;d had that back when i was working for abcsinc |
| 23:21.54 | CosmicPenguin | LX/5535 |
| 23:22.52 | prpplague | having 4 rs-232 rocks |
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| 23:31.08 | CosmicPenguin | I wish I was still playing with SD/SDIO devices now that the whole SDIO thing is shaking out |
| 23:31.21 | CosmicPenguin | looks like a fun time |
| 23:33.28 | prpplague | i like the idea of sdio, but their implementation seems crappy |
| 23:33.54 | CosmicPenguin | every bit as crappy as PCMCIA, though |
| 23:33.58 | prpplague | personally i'd liked to have seen it more like a 4-bit nand interface |
| 23:34.03 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 23:34.50 | prpplague | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39276196,00.htm |
| 23:34.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you see that? |
| 23:35.44 | prpplague | i need to try to go to bed early tonight |
| 23:36.36 | CosmicPenguin | kind of sounds like sour grapes to me |
| 23:36.48 | prpplague | the main thing i'm interested in for sdio is 802.11 cards |
| 23:36.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea it does |
| 23:37.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: local school here got 70pcs from some place in NY |
| 23:37.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: stil sitting unused since they don't have an OS |
| 23:37.43 | CosmicPenguin | See - and thats the problem |
| 23:37.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they can't afford to but winblows |
| 23:37.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and they think thats all there si |
| 23:38.16 | CosmicPenguin | They collect these old computers that need to be updated and patched, and claim its better because its "standard" technology? |
| 23:38.31 | prpplague | yea |
| 23:39.16 | CosmicPenguin | Nobody has ever sat down and tried to design a system |
| 23:39.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, they are having a big fund raiser this coming saturday to get money to buy windows |
| 23:39.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm thinking of buring 70 copies of fedora hehe |
| 23:39.42 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: heh - take a few knoppix discs over |
| 23:39.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh yea that would be better |
| 23:40.07 | FireEgl | Ubuntu! |
| 23:40.18 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, but i really gave up on doing any of that here over a year ago |
| 23:40.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: people here just aren't interested |
| 23:40.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i blame it on their slave culture ancestry |
| 23:42.37 | CosmicPenguin | ok - I'm about to try to start X on this thing |
| 23:42.43 | CosmicPenguin | odds of it crashing and burning is so high |
| 23:42.47 | CosmicPenguin | I can't wait to see what it does |
| 23:44.44 | prpplague | hehe |
| 23:45.45 | CosmicPenguin | no guts, no glory |
| 23:46.03 | CosmicPenguin | No V_BIOS found |
| 23:46.08 | CosmicPenguin | Int10 initialization failed. |
| 23:46.10 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
