| 00:22.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: fun fun |
| 00:22.36 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: working late? |
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| 01:36.50 | prpplague | CP|Home: greetings |
| 01:37.10 | CP|Home | yello |
| 01:37.32 | prpplague | CP|Home: hehe, got some good beer? |
| 01:37.45 | CP|Home | hmm... beer - there's a temporary solution |
| 01:38.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:38.58 | prpplague | yea |
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| 02:16.58 | CP|Home | ~lart realtek |
| 02:19.21 | CP|Home | prpplague: you around? |
| 02:19.41 | prpplague | CP|Home: yep |
| 02:19.46 | prpplague | CP|Home: what up? |
| 02:20.12 | CP|Home | do me a favor will you? |
| 02:20.23 | prpplague | sure whatup? |
| 02:20.34 | CP|Home | go to http://www.realtek.com.tw/products/products1-2.aspx?modelid=2003042 |
| 02:20.50 | CP|Home | click on the software link and download the Linux driver |
| 02:20.56 | CP|Home | tell me if you think the result is even close to legal |
| 02:22.47 | prpplague | a zip file? |
| 02:23.10 | CP|Home | I mean the actual driver |
| 02:24.24 | prpplague | DOH |
| 02:24.24 | prpplague | yea thats not legal; |
| 02:24.24 | prpplague | unix(linux) is not correct |
| 02:24.25 | CP|Home | It says GPL in the module description |
| 02:24.30 | CP|Home | but its not licensed as GPL |
| 02:25.21 | prpplague | yea i see that |
| 02:25.28 | prpplague | that isn't legal |
| 02:25.41 | CP|Home | indeed - slightly scary |
| 02:25.53 | prpplague | legally you can't use the gpl module option with it being a gpl product |
| 02:26.02 | prpplague | CP|Home: yea i've run into that several other times |
| 02:26.33 | CP|Home | obviously the intent is to GPL, but the dots have not been dotted, and the crosses have not been crossed.. :) |
| 02:26.51 | prpplague | yea |
| 02:29.09 | CP|Home | and even sadder? |
| 02:29.14 | CP|Home | I see the solution to my problem |
| 02:29.49 | prpplague | CP|Home: ?? |
| 02:41.34 | CP|Home | prpplague: problem is a phy reset issue |
| 02:41.44 | CP|Home | due to an unknown mac version in the kernel driver |
| 02:41.53 | CP|Home | and sure enough - the realtek driver has the solution |
| 02:43.10 | prpplague | ahh |
| 02:43.17 | prpplague | but its not gpl is it? |
| 02:50.25 | CP|Home | nope |
| 02:50.30 | CP|Home | at least not fully legally |
| 02:50.42 | CP|Home | damn realtek |
| 02:50.49 | CP|Home | and damn systems group - putting me in a tough spot |
| 02:54.10 | prpplague | CP|Home: bummer |
| 02:57.08 | CP|Home | hmmm.... well |
| 02:57.12 | CP|Home | bugzilla on |
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| 03:27.30 | flyback | wanted jbevren to see this before he pissed me off |
| 03:27.32 | flyback | http://rayer.ic.cz/romos/romose.htm |
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| 13:01.29 | jbevren | AOL Refuses to Cancel Service for Deceased Woman |
| 13:01.39 | jbevren | http://www.consumerist.com/consumer/top/aol-wants-to-sell-%22internet%22-to-the-dead-182185.php |
| 13:02.03 | T0mW | jbevren: is her credit still good? |
| 13:02.08 | T0mW | heh |
| 13:02.11 | jbevren | hehe |
| 13:02.31 | jbevren | didnt AOL get fined for that sort of thing (making it difficult to cancel)? |
| 13:02.39 | T0mW | wonder what her Credit Score is ? |
| 13:03.18 | T0mW | I don't know if they got fined, but they did get a lot of bad publicity over that sort of thing. |
| 13:03.33 | jbevren | any publicity is good publicity |
| 13:03.44 | jbevren | I know, i worked for a company that thrived on its bad publicity for a while |
| 13:03.46 | T0mW | IIRC, it was for being unable to get rid of the apps |
| 13:03.52 | T0mW | lol |
| 13:03.52 | jbevren | the more people hated us, the more clients we got |
| 13:04.14 | T0mW | "they must be doing something good to have that many complaints" |
| 13:05.03 | T0mW | jbevren: all you need is a "creative" marketing guy, ala' Dilbert |
| 13:06.51 | jbevren | brb |
| 13:26.13 | oink | aohell |
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| 14:57.41 | CosmicPenguin | Well, here goes nothing |
| 14:58.07 | jbevren | = SignOff: CosmicPenguin (boom) |
| 14:58.09 | jbevren | hehe |
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| 15:29.57 | T0mW`gone | prpplague: heavy traffic on the island today, that is why you are late? |
| 15:30.54 | *** mode/#edev [+o prpplague] by ChanServ |
| 15:30.56 | *** topic/#edev by prpplague -> #edev discussion for small embedded device development and hacking || http://www.elinux.org/wiki/ || http://www.hackaday.com || http://www.linux-hacker.net || I HATE INS AND DoHS every day and twice on sunday |
| 15:31.12 | prpplague | T0mW`gone: visit to the US embassy |
| 15:31.59 | T0mW`gone | prpplague: maybe you should just do it the way that everyone else does: goto Mexico... |
| 15:32.07 | T0mW`gone | :P |
| 15:32.28 | prpplague | T0mW: yea thats what everyone including the embassy keeps telling us |
| 15:32.39 | T0mW | prpplague: "we don't need no freakin' papers, mon" |
| 15:37.44 | prpplague | hmm, any idea what the min response time a gpio respond to from linux? |
| 15:45.41 | jbevren | maybe with a realtime patch to the kernel.. |
| 15:47.26 | prpplague | yea thats what i thought |
| 15:56.37 | flyback | prpplague |
| 15:56.53 | flyback | I think you should testify before congresss |
| 15:56.53 | jbevren | flyback: re ROMOS.. you showed me that before ;) |
| 15:57.13 | flyback | all the s*** the ins has given you vs the illegal alien situation |
| 15:57.50 | prpplague | flyback: no one cares |
| 15:57.57 | flyback | :/ |
| 15:58.17 | flyback | mabye a talk radio show then |
| 15:58.21 | prpplague | flyback: no one cares |
| 15:58.31 | flyback | I don't believe that |
| 16:00.17 | flyback | god dammit not again |
| 16:00.22 | flyback | I lost all my text in mirc |
| 16:00.25 | flyback | I can't see |
| 16:00.36 | jbevren | flyback: language :P |
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| 16:07.10 | shaggyoaf | Is it possible to use buildroot without cross-compilation (like to build and ia64 root on an ia64 machine)? |
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| 16:13.00 | prpplague | chouimat: greetings |
| 16:13.20 | prpplague | chouimat: i need a favor d00d |
| 16:13.41 | prpplague | chouimat: remember we discussed compiling winblows app under linxu? |
| 16:13.47 | chouimat | prpplague: yes |
| 16:14.10 | prpplague | chouimat: don't suppose you got some time to test a small app for me? |
| 16:14.34 | prpplague | chouimat: http://dtelnet.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:14.41 | chouimat | prpplague: I have some time but more like this weekend |
| 16:14.53 | prpplague | chouimat: i really need to know if it will compile using the linux tools |
| 16:15.17 | prpplague | chouimat: you already have the tools setup right? |
| 16:15.25 | chouimat | k I will look into ... when I finish the pile of stuff I have to finish for friday |
| 16:17.17 | prpplague | chouimat: np, i'd be willing to spot you some reasonable beer money for the test |
| 16:17.55 | prpplague | chouimat: btw, welcome to edev |
| 16:18.08 | prpplague | chouimat: hope you'll add it to your auto join |
| 16:18.14 | chouimat | thanks |
| 16:20.42 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/screens/save.jpg |
| 16:20.43 | jbevren | grumble |
| 16:20.50 | jbevren | I'm really beginning to hate firefox |
| 16:21.20 | chouimat | emerge xming-runtime |
| 16:21.23 | chouimat | ooops :) |
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| 17:08.17 | prpplague | chouimat: is there a util to help convert m$ project files to something like a make file? |
| 17:08.43 | chouimat | prpplague: I saw one once but I need to check |
| 17:08.55 | prpplague | chouimat: ok, thanks |
| 17:09.04 | prpplague | chouimat: i just mingw32 running on my box |
| 17:09.10 | prpplague | chouimat: hello.exe seems to work |
| 17:13.26 | chouimat | prpplague: with minor editing I just compiled dtelnet.exe on linux |
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| 17:18.58 | prpplague | chouimat: really? |
| 17:19.03 | prpplague | chouimat: cool |
| 17:19.47 | prpplague | chouimat: how did you do the make files and all? |
| 17:19.47 | prpplague | chouimat: educate me oh great beer drinking french canadian!!! |
| 17:20.27 | chouimat | prpplague: since it has a gcc.mak you just need to edit it and change RES\\DTELNET.ICO for RES/DTELNET.ICO in dtelnet.rc and also check the case of some filename :) |
| 17:21.33 | prpplague | chouimat: so what was your command line you used? |
| 17:22.07 | chouimat | make -f gcc.mak ... |
| 17:22.07 | prpplague | ChanServ: make -f gcc.mak ? |
| 17:22.22 | chouimat | prpplague: yup CC=i386-mingw32msvc-gcc <--- and put it in your path |
| 17:23.55 | prpplague | chouimat: thanks i owe you some beer money |
| 17:24.49 | chouimat | hehe |
| 17:27.15 | prpplague | hmm, no rule to make ctab.o |
| 17:27.23 | prpplague | hmm, must have missed something |
| 17:28.31 | prpplague | ahh caps |
| 17:30.03 | chouimat | prpplague: in the files mingw-utils-0.3 there is a script called dsw2mak |
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| 17:32.01 | flyback | sorry prpplague but this MUST BE posted |
| 17:32.01 | flyback | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.01 | flyback | [13:29] <flyback--> YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE |
| 17:33.05 | prpplague | chouimat: oh cool thanks |
| 17:33.33 | flyback | i'd be willing to bet $$$ |
| 17:33.33 | flyback | that started in the battery pack |
| 17:33.37 | chouimat | prpplague: np |
| 17:33.40 | flyback | only lithium could make a fire that pissed |
| 17:33.47 | flyback | hey frenchienuck |
| 17:33.54 | flyback | how are the ladies treating you still? |
| 17:35.54 | prpplague | chouimat: thanks later |
| 17:37.21 | flyback | hehe |
| 17:37.26 | flyback | last time I talked to him |
| 17:37.36 | flyback | he said the ladies couldn't get enough of his french pastry |
| 17:37.37 | flyback | heh |
| 17:42.06 | shaggyoaf | Is it possible to use buildroot without cross-compilation (like to build an ia64 root on an ia64 machine)? |
| 17:47.21 | prpplague | shaggyoaf: its possible yes, but there isn't any reason not to cross-compile |
| 17:49.03 | shaggyoaf | prpplague: because there is no option in the existing buildroot makefiles to compile to an ia64 target |
| 17:49.13 | shaggyoaf | prpplague: so I just want a 'native' option |
| 17:53.57 | shaggyoaf | prpplague: is there such an option? |
| 17:54.24 | flyback | http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32526 |
| 17:54.27 | flyback | I been worried about this |
| 17:54.28 | flyback | :/ |
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| 18:01.31 | shaggyoaf | ...anybody? |
| 18:01.41 | shaggyoaf | how can I do a native compile with buildroot? |
| 18:05.33 | flyback | prpplague http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=32434 |
| 18:13.36 | gandhijee | shaggyoaf: build the buildroot |
| 18:13.52 | gandhijee | then just use the compiler buildroot spits out and make your own filesystem |
| 18:13.57 | prpplague | flyback: you've done your limit for today |
| 18:13.59 | prpplague | flyback: no more |
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| 18:38.55 | flyback | :P |
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| 18:41.35 | prpplague | had enough of him today |
| 18:44.49 | gandhijee | prpplague: you haven't had a chance to check that armeb build have you?? |
| 18:46.34 | prpplague | gandhijee: no sorry i've been swampped |
| 18:46.50 | prpplague | gandhijee: we are on the final leg of pushing a product out |
| 18:47.02 | prpplague | gandhijee: i'll see if i can find some time this afternoon |
| 18:47.05 | gandhijee | its cool |
| 18:47.16 | gandhijee | whats your company pushing out? |
| 18:47.40 | prpplague | gandhijee: linux based handheld for datacollection |
| 18:49.03 | gandhijee | ohh |
| 18:49.06 | gandhijee | what company you work for? |
| 18:49.16 | prpplague | http://www.amltd.com |
| 18:49.39 | prpplague | we only have 2 or 3 products listed on the web site, most never are available for retail customers |
| 18:49.46 | prpplague | we mostly do VAR stuff |
| 18:50.05 | gandhijee | cool deal |
| 18:50.17 | gandhijee | same with the company i work for |
| 18:50.27 | gandhijee | its mainly hardware though |
| 18:50.32 | gandhijee | never software |
| 18:51.12 | gandhijee | www.win-ent.com |
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| 18:55.41 | shaggyoaf | gandhijee: I don't understand what that means |
| 18:56.21 | gandhijee | use buildroot to make the compiler that uses the uClib's |
| 18:56.40 | gandhijee | actaully, what are you trying to do? |
| 18:57.33 | shaggyoaf | gandhijee: There is a self-test suite that comes with xen (virtual machine monitor). It uses buildroot to construct a ramdisk image that it boots in a virtual machine to run its tests on |
| 18:57.46 | shaggyoaf | gandhijee: I'm trying to make that system work in ia64 |
| 18:58.11 | shaggyoaf | gandhijee: but there is no option in the configuration for the buildroot system to target the ia64 architecture |
| 18:58.50 | shaggyoaf | gandhijee: I want to know how to use buildroot (so that I can make a change that doesn't destory backwards compatability) that creates an image with ia64 binaries in it |
| 18:59.01 | gandhijee | well try using a the reg gcc to compile the test-suite |
| 18:59.07 | gandhijee | and create the ramdisk yourself |
| 19:02.18 | gandhijee | is it required that the test-suite be built with the buildroot env? |
| 19:03.07 | shaggyoaf | gandhijee: no, the testsuite is built using the native compiler |
| 19:03.20 | shaggyoaf | gandhijee: so 99% of what needs to happen is portable |
| 19:03.43 | gandhijee | well if thats the case make the ramdisk yourself and compile the test-suite and yourself and move it over to the ramdisk |
| 19:05.45 | shaggyoaf | gandhijee: are you suggesting that there is a way for me to use buildroot to make the ramdisk? |
| 19:05.55 | shaggyoaf | gandhijee: or are you just suggesting I use a different method to create it? |
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| 19:17.14 | gandhijee | use a diff method |
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| 21:25.26 | jbevren | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ |
| 21:25.31 | jbevren | somewhat OT, but still handy info |
| 21:26.19 | CosmicPenguin | been there done that |
| 21:27.31 | jbevren | I tried it once, but couldnt find the patch to make it wait for enumeration |
| 21:27.44 | jbevren | my project was a firewire disk, but the concept is the same (make it wait for enumeration) |
| 21:28.05 | CosmicPenguin | Now its in the kernel |
| 21:28.09 | CosmicPenguin | rootdelay= |
| 21:28.16 | jbevren | I think it'd be most cool if there were a patch to provide a menu of partitions with a /sbin/init binary if the specified one doesnt exist :) |
| 21:28.26 | CosmicPenguin | Heh - I have one of those too |
| 21:28.29 | jbevren | The patch I saw makes the kernel retry mounting / once per sec |
| 21:28.32 | jbevren | until it goes |
| 21:28.40 | CosmicPenguin | and one that automatically finds your partition based on the volume id |
| 21:28.49 | CosmicPenguin | for vfat, ext2fs and isofs |
| 21:28.50 | jbevren | yeah, redhat uses that (via initrd) |
| 21:29.30 | CosmicPenguin | plus my init script uses a makedevs style file to create the /dev filesystem, it has a built in livecd mode, and it whitens your teeth while you sleep |
| 21:30.21 | CosmicPenguin | oh, and a brand new kexec mode that is more clever then it is useful |
| 21:30.24 | jbevren | hehe |
| 21:30.27 | CosmicPenguin | all in 50k |
| 21:30.39 | jbevren | kexec would be very cool if it didnt restart the system |
| 21:30.44 | jbevren | didnt HP/UX have that ability? |
| 21:30.58 | jbevren | (reload the kernel without interrupting userspace) |
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| 23:02.27 | CosmicPenguin | ~emulate kergoth |
| 23:02.28 | purl | ACTION hacks on OZ, OE, bitbake, and other projects. |
| 23:02.50 | CosmicPenguin | purl: you are a first class pain in the ass |
| 23:02.51 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, CosmicPenguin |
| 23:03.04 | CosmicPenguin | touche |
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