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| 01:41.47 | jbevren | hehe |
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| 13:30.40 | prpplague | jbevren: http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=IMG10087 |
| 13:30.48 | prpplague | nice source for a ccd and for some parts |
| 13:32.32 | jbevren | aww isnt it cute |
| 13:32.41 | jbevren | 16M ram |
| 13:32.45 | jbevren | wonder what cpu it runs on hehe |
| 13:32.54 | prpplague | jbevren: yea probably an asic |
| 13:33.03 | jbevren | some 8051 clone-ish thing |
| 13:33.08 | prpplague | jbevren: might be a source for sdram upgrade for the pixtermm |
| 13:33.14 | prpplague | probably |
| 13:33.18 | jbevren | I have a small handful of chips :) |
| 13:33.29 | jbevren | I got some sdram ICs when I got my digikey order |
| 13:33.42 | jbevren | did you get debug enabled on the pixter btw? |
| 13:33.49 | prpplague | i have ton of work to do today |
| 13:33.58 | prpplague | jbevren: no, i've nto been feeling well |
| 13:34.06 | prpplague | jbevren: probably this weekend |
| 13:34.10 | jbevren | :) |
| 13:34.25 | prpplague | jbevren: i was condisering de-populating one of my pixtermm mb's |
| 13:34.30 | prpplague | jbevren: and doing a schematic |
| 13:34.41 | jbevren | get the sander out for the CoB's heh |
| 13:34.42 | prpplague | would be a one or two week deal i'm sure |
| 13:34.56 | prpplague | yea |
| 13:35.24 | prpplague | i just can't decide right now |
| 13:35.36 | jbevren | well |
| 13:35.40 | jbevren | I'd wait |
| 13:35.55 | jbevren | the big thing to figure out is the lines on the expansion port |
| 13:36.05 | jbevren | most of those can be figured out with software tools |
| 13:36.11 | prpplague | yea |
| 13:36.26 | jbevren | so unless there's something that cant be figured out and is critical, its not worth depopulating |
| 13:36.38 | jbevren | hehe |
| 13:37.16 | prpplague | main one i'd like to know about is the PC7:4 |
| 13:37.24 | prpplague | which is the boot configuration pins |
| 13:37.28 | jbevren | nod |
| 13:37.31 | jbevren | we read those though (?) |
| 13:38.05 | jbevren | or are you wanting to locate themon the pcb |
| 13:38.12 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, but i wanted to know where the actual lines are so it would be possible to do different boot configurations |
| 13:38.41 | jbevren | right |
| 13:38.45 | jbevren | theyre probably tied with resistors |
| 13:38.56 | jbevren | if theyrenot 0-ohm ones you can toggle the GPIO lines that multiplex with them |
| 13:39.58 | prpplague | yea |
| 13:44.59 | prpplague | dijenerate: ping |
| 13:52.17 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:52.26 | chouimat | hmmm ok some peoples are just "sick" http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-me-endtimes22jun22,0,1974441.story |
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| 13:55.12 | prpplague | chouimat: morning |
| 13:56.15 | tuxmaniac | prpplague> where do you work? |
| 13:56.50 | prpplague | http://www.amltd.com |
| 14:01.25 | prpplague | jbevren: don't know of a good ic for doing rgb to composite do you? |
| 14:02.43 | jbevren | not really |
| 14:03.05 | prpplague | jbevren: still trying to find something with some easy to hack nor flash |
| 14:04.26 | jbevren | nod |
| 14:04.33 | jbevren | and a 3.3v one too heh |
| 14:04.46 | jbevren | I wonder how many 5v nor flashes would be readable at 3.3 :) |
| 14:05.11 | prpplague | jbevren: you could do it, just would need some buffers |
| 14:05.32 | jbevren | nono, I mean by powering it on 3.3v |
| 14:07.38 | prpplague | jbevren: oh |
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| 14:08.07 | prpplague | jbevren: i was thinking it would be interesting to hook a video encoder chip up to a lcd port of an arm device |
| 14:08.14 | prpplague | jbevren: to product composite tv out |
| 14:10.22 | jbevren | nod |
| 14:10.29 | jbevren | a-la leapster and vidtech's |
| 14:11.06 | jbevren | Help! My website is blank, and I'm too dumb to realize its because index.php doesnt print anything! |
| 14:11.09 | jbevren | gah. |
| 14:11.37 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:11.46 | prpplague | http://www.chrontel.com/products/7023.htm |
| 14:12.03 | jbevren | not to mention our server refuses to run scripts that are world writable |
| 14:12.30 | jbevren | I'd like to get a ramdac actually |
| 14:12.34 | jbevren | a nice 8bit pallete-dac |
| 14:14.18 | jbevren | looks like a good IC |
| 14:14.41 | jbevren | so the lcd output spits out pixel words in serial format right? |
| 14:14.51 | jbevren | hm |
| 14:14.54 | jbevren | thats vague and confusing :) |
| 14:15.13 | jbevren | to clarify, in the same order as a raster scan? |
| 14:15.19 | jbevren | (assuming its not DSTN) |
| 14:15.28 | prpplague | jbevren: depending on the config, but you can do the RGB565 format for lcds |
| 14:15.39 | prpplague | jbevren: so you can feed that directly into the chip |
| 14:15.42 | jbevren | ah cool |
| 14:15.51 | jbevren | the pixter supports this? |
| 14:16.02 | jbevren | LH79524.. I can never remember the MCU's number :) |
| 14:16.23 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:16.29 | jbevren | doubly cool |
| 14:17.00 | prpplague | i wish i could get feeling better |
| 14:17.20 | jbevren | go get some meds |
| 14:17.22 | jbevren | (I'm not kidding) |
| 14:17.28 | prpplague | not sure if its depression, not eating right, not enough excerise or i'm just plan broke |
| 14:17.49 | jbevren | I dealt with that for years, and still do from time to time |
| 14:20.15 | jbevren | heh |
| 14:20.22 | jbevren | rearview mirror with video window |
| 14:20.23 | jbevren | I want one |
| 14:20.30 | jbevren | I see them on ebay now and then |
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| 14:43.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey |
| 14:44.27 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 14:52.49 | prpplague | jbevren: i still think the camera is gonna be the best bet for an external boot device |
| 14:52.57 | jbevren | nod |
| 14:53.03 | jbevren | easiest to dev on? |
| 14:53.06 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:53.11 | jbevren | nod. gotcha |
| 14:53.30 | jbevren | man, I wish I could get along with the xilinx ISE heh |
| 14:53.42 | jbevren | I'd have gotten so much done by now if I could :P |
| 14:55.01 | CosmicPenguin | <ajax> so, wtf is causing this stupid FreeFontPath refcount message |
| 14:55.06 | CosmicPenguin | <daniels> ajax: libXfont! |
| 14:55.11 | CosmicPenguin | <ajax> i mean, i could easily believe that libXfont is at fault |
| 14:55.11 | CosmicPenguin | <ajax> what with all the baby-eating |
| 14:55.17 | CosmicPenguin | jrjr |
| 14:55.19 | CosmicPenguin | hehe even |
| 14:59.05 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:59.22 | CosmicPenguin | most X packages can be accused of baby eating, if you ask me |
| 15:00.30 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:00.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe i got mingw32 working yesterday |
| 15:00.47 | jbevren | hm |
| 15:00.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: with chouimat's help |
| 15:00.51 | jbevren | mp3 decoder in VHDL |
| 15:01.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: was able to code and compile some winblows apps on my linux box |
| 15:11.16 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 15:11.28 | CosmicPenguin | I keep wanting our BIOS guys to switch to linux |
| 15:11.30 | CosmicPenguin | but they use masm |
| 15:12.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: isn't there a masm for linux? |
| 15:12.35 | CosmicPenguin | There mighrt be - but doesn't it cost? |
| 15:12.53 | CosmicPenguin | We bought our MASM licenses back when Jesus was still an undergraduate |
| 15:13.41 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:13.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmhm |
| 15:14.44 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: doesn't the monolothic nature of buildroot ever get to you? |
| 15:14.54 | CosmicPenguin | Its hard not to pollute the namespace |
| 15:15.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: in what way? |
| 15:15.33 | CosmicPenguin | well, you have to have unique variables for every thing in every package |
| 15:17.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: thats actually kind of what i like, i like to keep the items pretty comparmentalized |
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| 15:17.59 | CosmicPenguin | I guess I'm just used to re-using the same variables in each package |
| 15:18.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, its strictly a mind set and what your goals are |
| 15:18.23 | prpplague | T0mW: hey |
| 15:18.29 | T0mW | hooo |
| 15:18.40 | T0mW | exercise is going to kill me |
| 15:20.29 | prpplague | T0mW: what do you use to do your schematics on when you are doing a board like the zipit? eagle? |
| 15:20.40 | T0mW | eagle |
| 15:21.05 | T0mW | v4.15 |
| 15:21.33 | prpplague | T0mW: procedure wish, you start by removing resistors and taking notes? |
| 15:21.41 | prpplague | T0mW: then caps then other stuff? |
| 15:21.43 | T0mW | eagle has its' pros / cons. |
| 15:22.03 | T0mW | the design process for a board? |
| 15:22.21 | T0mW | or, reverse engineering one? |
| 15:24.18 | T0mW | prpplague: it takes two boards to easily reverse engineer something: remove all the parts from one to get a blank board, then keep the other populated. |
| 15:24.55 | prpplague | T0mW: how can you accurately measure caps and resistors in circuit? |
| 15:25.24 | T0mW | Then, I start with some area of the board (upper left, whatever) and start buzzing it out with a continuity buzzer. |
| 15:25.28 | prpplague | T0mW: and do you just make paper notes while doing all the data collection, then complete the schematic on the pc later? |
| 15:25.32 | T0mW | no |
| 15:25.48 | prpplague | T0mW: draw as you go? |
| 15:26.03 | T0mW | schematic is build as I go along and I revise / rearrange as I go and as the circuitry becomes clearer |
| 15:26.20 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:26.59 | prpplague | T0mW: ok a couple more questions if you have time |
| 15:27.15 | T0mW | values you leave to last, don't worry about values. Some values you can see marked on the devices, that is good, use them. Others you have to only identify as to: resistor or cap, and is it a big or little cap value (guess). |
| 15:27.33 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh |
| 15:27.51 | prpplague | T0mW: how do you normally remove bga? |
| 15:27.51 | T0mW | just get the wiring right and the component designations right. |
| 15:28.00 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh |
| 15:28.01 | T0mW | heh, toaster oven! |
| 15:28.16 | prpplague | you just shove it in the oven and wait? |
| 15:28.40 | prpplague | i was thinking of just using a clothing iron, or do you think that isn't hot enough? |
| 15:28.55 | T0mW | heat the PCB up to 225C, let solder melt, then take the pcb out of the oven with needle nose pliers and wipe the parts off the PCB using a paper towel. |
| 15:29.39 | prpplague | ~convert 225 celcius to farenheit |
| 15:29.45 | T0mW | prpplague: DON'T RELY ONE CONDUCTION! it will fry the PCB material before it will melt the solder. fiberglass has a high thermal resistance. |
| 15:30.03 | T0mW | sparkfun is using convection heat from the fry pan, not conduction. |
| 15:30.18 | T0mW | prpplague: approx 450F |
| 15:30.34 | prpplague | T0mW: "DON'T RELY ONE CONDUCTION!" ?? |
| 15:30.41 | T0mW | no! |
| 15:30.49 | T0mW | s/ONE/ON/ |
| 15:30.54 | prpplague | oh |
| 15:31.06 | prpplague | gotcha |
| 15:31.17 | prpplague | so i can just use my oven to do the trick then |
| 15:31.31 | T0mW | prpplague: I tried it on a big pcb (5 X 7"), all it did was stink up my house from charred fiberglass adhesive. |
| 15:31.40 | T0mW | prpplague: sure |
| 15:31.51 | prpplague | ok thanks |
| 15:32.08 | T0mW | the oven should work, however, you have to remember that solder is lead. |
| 15:32.14 | prpplague | T0mW: gonna try doing a pixter-mm board |
| 15:32.26 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, gonna do some fumes |
| 15:32.40 | T0mW | I won't do that, I use a seperate "oven" for the PCB work to avoid the risk of poisoning myself. :-X |
| 15:33.04 | T0mW | s/I won't do that/I won't do that myself |
| 15:33.09 | prpplague | T0mW: yea wouldn't be ok for a single board? |
| 15:33.15 | T0mW | shrug |
| 15:33.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:33.42 | prpplague | maybe i should use the microwav instead |
| 15:33.43 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:33.48 | T0mW | figure it this way, you get the toaster oven and then you have a means of building surface mount boards. |
| 15:33.57 | T0mW | LOL, riiiiiiight |
| 15:34.12 | jbevren | haha microwave |
| 15:34.13 | T0mW | see all the pretty sparks, eh? |
| 15:34.13 | chouimat | hi prpplague T0mW |
| 15:34.14 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, yea, i don't build many boards myself anyeay |
| 15:34.23 | jbevren | sparkfun actually had better luck with an electric skillet didnt they? :) |
| 15:34.45 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, but my boss tried it and didn't get anything to work properly |
| 15:34.53 | T0mW | jbevren: on tiny boards, yes, they are effectively using convection heat to "fry" their boards. |
| 15:35.24 | T0mW | jbevren: their boards are tiny tiny little boards, not the monster 4" x 5" stuff I have. |
| 15:36.05 | prpplague | T0mW: change of direction |
| 15:36.09 | T0mW | what is that WX term for a hot layer of air trapped under a cooler one? |
| 15:36.17 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm tinkering with doing some composite video out |
| 15:36.22 | T0mW | temperature inversion? |
| 15:36.26 | prpplague | T0mW: using the lcd controller on an arm board |
| 15:36.34 | prpplague | T0mW: know of any good chips to use? |
| 15:36.54 | prpplague | <prpplague> http://www.chrontel.com/products/7023.htm |
| 15:36.58 | prpplague | thats what i was looking at |
| 15:37.01 | T0mW | prpplague: I wish I did know of any. I haven't looked at that problem in a while |
| 15:37.17 | jbevren | tom: too true |
| 15:37.28 | prpplague | T0mW: was almost considering using a small avr to do the job |
| 15:38.54 | T0mW | The only ones that I can think of that might have something like RGB output in their processors could be cirrus |
| 15:39.27 | CosmicPenguin | I guess if you share the variables, you can use them in other packages |
| 15:39.31 | CosmicPenguin | but thats sort of cheating |
| 15:39.52 | CosmicPenguin | also, why do they do a include */*/.mk? Wouldn't it be better to construct a string based on the included packages, and only include those .mks? |
| 15:40.04 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 15:40.26 | CosmicPenguin | yeah - you heard me |
| 15:40.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i can't justify it per se, but its easy for me to use |
| 15:42.46 | T0mW | prpplague: BTW, I use an Xacto blade on the pin I want to trace out, then use a peice of solder braid to "wipe" over the blank PCB to find the "hits" |
| 15:43.28 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh |
| 15:47.56 | jbevren | yay |
| 15:48.02 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:50.41 | T0mW | prpplague: I wonder, the Line Pulse is analogous to the horizontal sync, the Frame Pulse is analogous to the vertical sync pulse... |
| 15:50.58 | T0mW | prpplague: on the STD displays |
| 15:51.02 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 15:51.06 | T0mW | s/STD/STN/ |
| 15:51.20 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, from the timming charts it appears to be the same |
| 15:51.35 | T0mW | vertical rates of 60hz are common to LCD |
| 15:51.42 | prpplague | yep |
| 15:51.50 | prpplague | T0mW: exactly what we are using for our lcd |
| 15:52.22 | T0mW | So, all you need is the full-black and intermediate levels of white to create a monochrome composite. |
| 15:52.50 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, but i could do color as well |
| 15:53.18 | prpplague | ha, i just found a schematic with someone doing lcd -> vga |
| 15:53.48 | prpplague | even more interesting |
| 15:53.50 | prpplague | http://www.chrontel.com/products/7013.htm |
| 15:53.58 | prpplague | they are using the 7013 instead of the 7023 |
| 15:54.00 | T0mW | color is another issue as it is mixtures of the RGB and that is phase related to the colorburst (3.4579MHz) reference. Color burst must be given at the end(?) of each horiz sweep or is it the beginning? I know it is something like 8 cycles of the 3.59MHz reference |
| 15:54.28 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, thats all done in the chip |
| 15:55.00 | T0mW | yeah, the discrete electronics of yester-year smacked down into a single package... |
| 15:55.23 | prpplague | interesting |
| 15:57.10 | T0mW | black and white (monochrome) composite is easy, the color is more complicated. |
| 15:57.46 | T0mW | hmm, I dunno if a monitor requires the colorburst. |
| 15:59.41 | T0mW | prpplague: of course, you now about this? : http://www.analog.com/en/prod/0,2877,AD724,00.html |
| 15:59.44 | prpplague | T0mW: well from reading this, the video chip handles all the timming for the composite and SCART style video |
| 16:00.06 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, that only does RGB |
| 16:00.12 | prpplague | T0mW: won;t interface to lcd |
| 16:00.29 | prpplague | T0mW: i need a digital i/o |
| 16:00.53 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.analog.com/en/prod/0,,761_798_ADV7170%2C00.html |
| 16:00.56 | T0mW | right, the question is if you take the output of the lcd controller and feed it into three DACs, would you get the necessary RGB to drive that chip? |
| 16:00.59 | prpplague | T0mW: i'd have to use something like that |
| 16:01.22 | prpplague | T0mW: yea probably, but that just means extra work |
| 16:01.25 | T0mW | color lcd is RGB, but structured digitally |
| 16:01.33 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 16:01.43 | prpplague | T0mW: just trying to cut down on actual hardware needed |
| 16:01.46 | T0mW | and, they are packed RGB, right? |
| 16:01.55 | prpplague | T0mW: thats controllable |
| 16:01.59 | T0mW | right |
| 16:02.24 | prpplague | i think i'm gonna try the 7013 since i already have an example schematic |
| 16:03.24 | T0mW | that ADV7170 looks more like it |
| 16:03.36 | prpplague | T0mW: its basically the same as the 7013 |
| 16:03.41 | T0mW | url? |
| 16:04.00 | prpplague | http://www.chrontel.com/products/7013.htm |
| 16:18.37 | chouimat | another boring day at the office ... I need vacations from myself :( |
| 16:32.45 | T0mW | ~prpplague |
| 16:32.46 | purl | well, prpplague is mailto:danders@amltd.com or Dave Anders |
| 16:33.02 | T0mW | somehow, I cannot get rid of the absinc addr |
| 16:33.20 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:34.52 | T0mW | prpplague: you have mail |
| 16:35.13 | T0mW | prpplague: looks like the only way to go is something like that |
| 16:35.56 | prpplague | hmm, no mail |
| 16:36.10 | prpplague | ahh got it that time |
| 16:38.26 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm, thats not really what i'm looking for |
| 16:38.33 | prpplague | T0mW: but interesting none the less |
| 16:38.50 | T0mW | prpplague: I know, I don't like that solution either, but |
| 16:39.24 | prpplague | T0mW: i mean i already have an onboard lcd controller, so i really don't need that |
| 16:39.33 | T0mW | yeah |
| 16:40.14 | prpplague | T0mW: http://revely.com/RMS101/Files/ |
| 16:40.22 | prpplague | T0mW: look at the schematic page 2 |
| 16:59.12 | dijenerate | prpplague: request timed out |
| 16:59.16 | dijenerate | prpplague: lol |
| 16:59.19 | prpplague | dijenerate: hehe |
| 16:59.23 | dijenerate | prpplague: how goes it? |
| 16:59.40 | prpplague | dijenerate: its goes |
| 16:59.51 | dijenerate | prpplague: same here |
| 17:00.10 | prpplague | dijenerate: was gonna send you a url |
| 17:00.13 | prpplague | dijenerate: let me get it |
| 17:00.28 | dijenerate | prpplague: trying to negotiate L-Band two way satellite links at a decent rate |
| 17:00.50 | dijenerate | prpplague: we're getting USD6.00/Mb, that is so not feasible |
| 17:01.01 | dijenerate | prpplague: go ahead |
| 17:01.30 | prpplague | dijenerate: http://www.halted.com/commerce/catalog/product.jsp?product_id=20951&czuid=1150995376336 |
| 17:01.41 | prpplague | dijenerate: nice buy, you can put linux on those as well |
| 17:01.47 | T0mW | prpplague: thanks |
| 17:01.59 | prpplague | dijenerate: figured if you were doing any school work you could use those |
| 17:02.01 | prpplague | T0mW: ?? |
| 17:06.24 | jbevren | prpplague: are those linux'able? heh |
| 17:06.38 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, lets here it for Geode |
| 17:06.48 | jbevren | hooray! |
| 17:06.51 | prpplague | 32ram 16 flash |
| 17:06.52 | jbevren | standard pc-style bios on em? |
| 17:07.04 | prpplague | yea |
| 17:07.07 | jbevren | very cool |
| 17:07.57 | jbevren | any audio support on em? :D |
| 17:08.06 | jbevren | I guess there's always usb |
| 17:08.11 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, |
| 17:08.39 | prpplague | a very long time ago i actually had it doing voip with a headset and talking to a cisco Voip system |
| 17:09.05 | prpplague | i guess that was back in 2001 |
| 17:09.19 | jbevren | ah, so it has onboard audio. Very cool |
| 17:09.24 | jbevren | 1000 questions time hehe |
| 17:09.30 | jbevren | I guess only one.. cpu speed? |
| 17:09.37 | jbevren | you already answered the rest :) |
| 17:09.39 | prpplague | i don't recall |
| 17:09.47 | jbevren | okies |
| 17:09.48 | prpplague | seems like it was 300mhz |
| 17:10.18 | dijenerate | prpplague: I was looking for something more vertical like this http://www.pepper.com/products/pepper_pad3.html |
| 17:10.28 | dijenerate | prpplague: but smaller |
| 17:10.40 | prpplague | ahh |
| 17:10.40 | jbevren | dig: that's horizontal :) |
| 17:10.45 | dijenerate | prpplague: that actually has the same CPU type |
| 17:10.48 | jbevren | s/dig/dijenerate/ |
| 17:10.51 | prpplague | dijenerate: well, i didn't know if you did any school stuff |
| 17:11.11 | prpplague | dijenerate: i can't seem to get anyone interested i doing linux thin clients at the schools here |
| 17:11.31 | prpplague | dijenerate: they all would rather have $1000 winblows pc's instead of 10 $100 clients |
| 17:11.46 | dijenerate | prpplague: the problem is politics prevents those with the money from listening to those with the knowledge |
| 17:12.03 | prpplague | yea |
| 17:12.15 | dijenerate | jbevren :lol |
| 17:12.31 | dijenerate | well maybe if it was smaller it would be less horizontal |
| 17:14.02 | jbevren | I'd have a pepper pad if it werent 800 bucks |
| 17:14.03 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:14.17 | dijenerate | what I would LOVE is this with a 4.5-inch WSVGA screen, 16GB internal Flash and USB 2.0 host http://www.windowsfordevices.com/files/misc/ParvusZypad.jpg |
| 17:14.47 | prpplague | dijenerate: the arm version will be out in a few weeks |
| 17:14.49 | jbevren | add a GPS device and go hiking. |
| 17:14.54 | dijenerate | and of course a penguin rather than Winbloze |
| 17:14.55 | prpplague | dijenerate: be able to hack linux it easy |
| 17:15.41 | dijenerate | prpplague: I know, there is even a linux SDK to make life even easier, but the problem is the QVGA screen |
| 17:16.01 | prpplague | dijenerate: whats the problem with that? |
| 17:16.12 | T0mW | YIPE! $699 for the peper-pad?! |
| 17:16.39 | CosmicPenguin | you'll pay it, and you'll like it |
| 17:16.49 | dijenerate | prpplague: once you have used the Nexio or the Nokia 770 you don't want anything less than WVGA again |
| 17:16.59 | dijenerate | prpplague: I'm spoilt now... lol |
| 17:17.21 | prpplague | dijenerate: yea, since my favorite size is just 160x160 |
| 17:17.34 | dijenerate | prpplague: lol |
| 17:17.47 | dijenerate | prpplague: I like the pepper, but it's physically too big |
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| 17:18.16 | dijenerate | prpplague: so much that I'd rather spend USD2200.00 on a Vaio UX90 and put linux on it |
| 17:19.23 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: ping |
| 17:19.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: pong |
| 17:19.49 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: is there a way to figure out what PID the make process started with? |
| 17:20.18 | jbevren | http://www.halted.com/commerce/ccp17543-internet-tv-appliance-n-a-20027.htm |
| 17:20.21 | jbevren | webtv? |
| 17:20.40 | prpplague | jbevren: zilog ez80 based |
| 17:20.44 | jbevren | ah |
| 17:20.51 | jbevren | there's a project for ya then :) |
| 17:20.59 | jbevren | adapt it to behave like an msx |
| 17:21.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, i'm sure there is, but i don't know off the top of my head |
| 17:21.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: not ever had to do check |
| 17:21.22 | CosmicPenguin | fat lot of help you are! |
| 17:21.23 | CosmicPenguin | :( |
| 17:21.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:21.24 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 17:21.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i don't think it writes the pid out to anywhere |
| 17:22.08 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you could easily add it to the top of the make file |
| 17:22.13 | CosmicPenguin | how? |
| 17:22.32 | CosmicPenguin | anything i do to get the pid will by default spawn a new pid.. :) |
| 17:24.19 | prpplague | one sec, let me grab my notes |
| 17:29.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, i thought make honored the $$ similiar to bash , but i don't see it in my notes |
| 17:29.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: let me double check another url |
| 17:35.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: odd i know i've used the pid variable before but i don't find anything referencing it |
| 17:35.47 | CosmicPenguin | no worries |
| 17:52.37 | prpplague | hmmm safetoslepp != safetosleep |
| 17:58.23 | prpplague | ho diddy ho ho |
| 17:58.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe you think its bad to have a bunch of system specific proc entries? |
| 17:59.07 | CosmicPenguin | in 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 18:00.07 | prpplague | 2.6 |
| 18:00.11 | CosmicPenguin | absolutely |
| 18:00.15 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:00.21 | CosmicPenguin | use /sys |
| 18:00.23 | CosmicPenguin | thats what its there for |
| 18:00.34 | prpplague | yea, not gotten used to /sys yet |
| 18:00.51 | prpplague | problem is we have to have some legacy stuff that still looks at proc |
| 18:01.56 | CosmicPenguin | so you're not making new code -you're just porting? |
| 18:03.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hard to explain, but we have alot of 3rd party developers that are used to accessing certain aspects of our handhelds through procfs |
| 18:03.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: when they move from the old handheld to the new one, they're gonna want to use the same methods |
| 18:03.53 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i.e. backlight on/off and contrast |
| 18:03.54 | CosmicPenguin | well, if you have legacy to obey, you have to do what you have to do |
| 18:04.02 | CosmicPenguin | but don't make any new entries in /proc |
| 18:04.26 | CosmicPenguin | and understand that anything you do will be frowned upon by the community |
| 18:04.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, its not like this would be added to the main tree |
| 18:06.57 | CosmicPenguin | hmmm - I suppose lkml isn't down today |
| 18:07.00 | CosmicPenguin | so something is broken on my side |
| 18:08.54 | CosmicPenguin | I must have gotten unsubscribed |
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