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| 02:06.17 | bioeng | Hi everyone |
| 02:06.30 | bioeng | Is anyone around? |
| 02:11.57 | davidc__[2] | no |
| 02:12.07 | agaffney | sorphin: it's "safe" now :P |
| 02:12.10 | bioeng | Clearly you are, if you responded |
| 02:12.16 | bioeng | Anyways |
| 02:12.42 | bioeng | I decided to focus on "Applications of Technology to Civil Engineering Works" in grad school |
| 02:13.02 | bioeng | as a possible thesis |
| 02:13.52 | sorphin | um.. right |
| 02:14.05 | sorphin | agaffney: lilo needs to stop using easy passwords :P |
| 02:14.12 | agaffney | heh |
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| 02:14.25 | agaffney | 1234...that's the kind of combination an idiot would have on his luggage |
| 02:14.36 | sorphin | ya |
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| 02:14.53 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:15.07 | agaffney | that bioeng guy is annoying |
| 02:15.08 | sorphin | ok, so the dude came in to tell us the topic of his grad school thesis? |
| 02:15.24 | sorphin | who fscking cares? |
| 02:15.29 | agaffney | he keeps coming in here and wants everyone to "guide" him or something |
| 02:15.33 | sorphin | uh |
| 02:15.36 | agaffney | yeah... |
| 02:15.42 | sorphin | should send him to #kernelnewbies ;) |
| 02:15.43 | sorphin | lol |
| 02:15.48 | sorphin | they'd tear him up |
| 02:15.51 | agaffney | heh |
| 02:16.01 | sorphin | get your rack done yet? :P |
| 02:16.07 | agaffney | sorta :P |
| 02:16.18 | agaffney | it's sitting next to me with the Netra racked and an empty 100 lbs. shelf |
| 02:16.31 | agaffney | I keep meaning to set up the Octane on it |
| 02:16.36 | agaffney | and shove it into the corner |
| 02:16.46 | agaffney | http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/agaffney/2006/06/26/aamp_my_knee |
| 02:17.37 | agaffney | but that ^^ gives me an excuse not to for the moment :P |
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| 02:18.26 | agaffney | speaking of racks, do you know of any place local to get cheap-ish server cabinets? |
| 02:18.29 | agaffney | we got a couple rackmount servers at work |
| 02:18.34 | agaffney | and we need a rack :) |
| 02:18.39 | agaffney | sorphin: that frightens me... |
| 02:18.59 | agaffney | damn peer |
| 02:19.01 | sorphin | agaffney: uh.. EPC is the only local place.. though Gateway Electronics actually has a couple racks atm |
| 02:19.12 | sorphin | enclosed racks |
| 02:19.12 | agaffney | EPC was where I was planning on going |
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| 02:19.28 | agaffney | hmm, I haven't been to Gateway in *years* |
| 02:19.30 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:19.34 | agaffney | not since I was ~6 and went with my dad |
| 02:19.35 | sorphin | they're by westport now |
| 02:19.39 | agaffney | so I've heard |
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| 02:20.54 | agaffney | the only place I'm familiar with in westport is UCTI |
| 02:21.15 | sorphin | never heard of it |
| 02:22.06 | agaffney | if you get off 270 at page and head east, take a right the first right (near a Hooters, I think), make another right, and then go up the hill |
| 02:22.10 | sorphin | well, to get to them now, page->schuetz(R)->lackland(R)->Welsch Industrial(R) |
| 02:22.17 | agaffney | lackland...that's it |
| 02:22.26 | agaffney | UCT is on lackland up the hill |
| 02:22.42 | sorphin | wtf does uct stand for? :P |
| 02:22.45 | agaffney | they sell computer stuff to resellers, corporations, and individuals |
| 02:22.49 | agaffney | at decent discounts |
| 02:23.00 | agaffney | United Computer Technology or something like that |
| 02:23.02 | agaffney | ucti.com |
| 02:23.03 | sorphin | oh |
| 02:23.04 | sorphin | them |
| 02:23.16 | agaffney | www.ucti.com |
| 02:23.30 | agaffney | run by a bunch of chinese guys |
| 02:23.36 | agaffney | with the one black guy :P |
| 02:23.54 | agaffney | so it's near there? |
| 02:24.10 | agaffney | Gateway |
| 02:24.14 | sorphin | not down that far |
| 02:24.25 | sorphin | between schuetz and hooters |
| 02:24.32 | agaffney | hmm |
| 02:24.35 | sorphin | you know where that lake is? |
| 02:24.35 | agaffney | I may have to go take a look |
| 02:24.39 | agaffney | yes |
| 02:24.45 | sorphin | right there |
| 02:24.50 | sorphin | is welsch industrial |
| 02:24.51 | agaffney | hmm |
| 02:24.54 | sorphin | across from the lake |
| 02:24.56 | agaffney | I'm surprised I've never seen it |
| 02:25.16 | sorphin | it sits back |
| 02:25.20 | sorphin | you can see gateway from Page |
| 02:25.21 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:26.26 | agaffney | google maps tells all |
| 02:26.43 | sorphin | so does www.gatewayelex.com ;) |
| 02:26.59 | agaffney | westport plaza dr. is where I turn off page |
| 02:27.03 | agaffney | and then right onto lackland |
| 02:27.25 | sorphin | uh |
| 02:27.33 | sorphin | you'd go left to gateway |
| 02:27.37 | agaffney | right |
| 02:27.38 | sorphin | if you got off page there |
| 02:27.42 | sorphin | no |
| 02:27.43 | sorphin | left |
| 02:27.43 | agaffney | I'm talking about UCT |
| 02:27.47 | agaffney | heh |
| 02:27.48 | sorphin | i know where uct is |
| 02:27.50 | sorphin | i've been there |
| 02:27.54 | agaffney | UCT is the only place I've ever been over there |
| 02:27.55 | sorphin | just didn't recognize the initials |
| 02:28.19 | agaffney | so I could get off page there or go down to schuetze |
| 02:28.31 | agaffney | I've got an appointment with the orthopedist tomorrow at 2:15 |
| 02:28.38 | agaffney | I should go to Gateway after that |
| 02:28.40 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:28.48 | agaffney | since I won't be going back to work |
| 02:28.51 | sorphin | ask for Doug :P |
| 02:28.54 | agaffney | and ugh...frames |
| 02:28.57 | agaffney | their site is horrid :P |
| 02:29.02 | sorphin | their site is old |
| 02:29.02 | sorphin | :P |
| 02:29.15 | agaffney | at least they've got a favicon.ico :) |
| 02:29.25 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:29.33 | agaffney | This site best viewed with Internet Explorer 3.0 or Netscape 3.0 or higher |
| 02:29.36 | agaffney | bwahahahahaha |
| 02:29.44 | sorphin | like i said |
| 02:29.45 | sorphin | it's old |
| 02:29.49 | agaffney | heh |
| 02:30.46 | agaffney | we got a pair of HP Proliant DL 145s at work |
| 02:30.58 | agaffney | 1U dual Opteron 246, 2GB memory |
| 02:31.47 | agaffney | decent "little" boxes |
| 02:31.53 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:31.55 | agaffney | need a nice, deep rack for them |
| 02:31.59 | sorphin | our newest box |
| 02:32.05 | sorphin | is a dual Opteron 248 |
| 02:32.23 | agaffney | 2.2GHz? |
| 02:32.29 | agaffney | I think 246 is 2.0 |
| 02:32.44 | agaffney | my home box is dual-core Athlon64 4200+ |
| 02:32.48 | agaffney | 2.2GHz per core |
| 02:32.50 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:32.50 | agaffney | 2GB memory |
| 02:33.03 | sorphin | unless i offloaded some of my gear |
| 02:33.03 | agaffney | it only cost ~$900 to build |
| 02:33.14 | agaffney | I used newegg's "preferred customer" thing |
| 02:33.19 | agaffney | which is essentially a credit card |
| 02:33.31 | agaffney | 6 months no interest for purchases over $500 |
| 02:33.36 | agaffney | already paid it all off |
| 02:33.51 | sorphin | well, i'm refinancing again :P |
| 02:34.02 | agaffney | I'll be looking for a house early next year |
| 02:34.23 | agaffney | well, my wife will be looking, and I'll be along for the ride :P |
| 02:34.34 | sorphin | yeah |
| 02:34.48 | sorphin | well, i have crap i'm not using now, so if you want anything :P |
| 02:35.25 | agaffney | I've got enough crap of my own :) |
| 02:35.26 | sorphin | hehe |
| 02:37.02 | agaffney | when I go to gateway tomorrow, I think I should leave my wallet in the truck |
| 02:37.41 | sorphin | haha |
| 02:38.00 | agaffney | especially since my paycheck is deposited tonight |
| 02:38.16 | sorphin | ha |
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| 02:49.59 | sorphin | T0mW: hey gramps |
| 02:50.09 | sorphin | T0mW: getting timeouts from your nameserver |
| 02:50.12 | T0mW | hey there sonny |
| 02:50.16 | T0mW | oh? |
| 02:50.50 | T0mW | it's up |
| 02:51.19 | sorphin | well |
| 02:51.31 | sorphin | gotten retry errors on 1 domain and 2 timeouts on 2 others |
| 02:51.52 | T0mW | sorphin: we had some storms through here the past few days. That location does have power problems |
| 02:51.58 | sorphin | k |
| 02:52.49 | T0mW | sorphin: they are getting a new location in the next 6 months or so, I'll be putting another server onto a fractional there. |
| 02:52.57 | sorphin | k |
| 02:53.12 | T0mW | MonMotha: ping |
| 02:53.33 | sorphin | T0mW: how's things otherwise? |
| 02:53.39 | T0mW | weird |
| 02:53.48 | sorphin | ok.. |
| 02:54.05 | T0mW | sorphin: I've a long term contract I'm trying to negotiate: 5..12 months |
| 02:54.16 | sorphin | nod |
| 02:54.34 | T0mW | sorphin: a lot of issues going in will be the rate to charge |
| 02:54.48 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:55.00 | sorphin | things like the rate to charge are why i don't consult |
| 02:55.01 | sorphin | heh |
| 02:55.06 | MonMotha | T0mW: pong |
| 02:55.11 | T0mW | seperation of work, I also do contract work for them on other stuff, sell them new designs, etc. |
| 02:55.37 | T0mW | MonMotha: I spoke with a friend in the business tonight, he pretty much told me the same as you: 2 X W2 |
| 02:56.21 | T0mW | MonMotha: actually, he told me to go much higher than that because of the nature of the work. |
| 03:02.29 | MonMotha | T0mW: yeah, that's the standard thing to do is 2x W2 |
| 03:03.02 | MonMotha | I took a slight cut hourly for my internship this summer over what I'd gotten in the past, but I used to get paid on a 1099 so it was well worth it since they have to pay the employer side of FICA |
| 03:08.48 | jbevren | yawn |
| 03:08.51 | jbevren | wahts up this evening |
| 03:18.17 | jbevren | thought so :) |
| 03:19.48 | sorphin | jbevren: sucka |
| 03:20.06 | T0mW | MonMotha: I did some research on Dice.com to see what market payrates were for comparable skills, 50..65/hr |
| 03:20.17 | T0mW | MonMotha: that was for W2 |
| 03:20.19 | sorphin | heh |
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| 03:34.47 | jbevren | oh cool |
| 03:35.10 | jbevren | it can match 64 bytes at a given packet offset |
| 03:35.17 | jbevren | that'll be handy for tcp/ip address matching :) |
| 03:38.25 | sorphin | heh |
| 03:41.27 | jbevren | especially if youre only willing to communicate with one host I guess ;-) |
| 03:41.37 | jbevren | match both src and dest IP in hardware, ignore the rest |
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| 12:50.48 | chouimat | morning |
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| 12:57.50 | jbevren | It's fiday! |
| 13:00.58 | GPSFan | yea!! |
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| 13:21.53 | prpplague | anyone else having problems with their firefox ? |
| 13:24.08 | GPSFan | prpplague: such as? |
| 13:25.10 | prpplague | GPSFan: i get some graphics rendering with artifacts |
| 13:26.35 | GPSFan | prpplague: you have an example url, I run firefox on several platforms/OSs (one less since I retired my Win98 box ;>) |
| 13:30.38 | prpplague | GPSFan: /. |
| 13:30.50 | prpplague | GPSFan: the headline bars |
| 13:33.27 | jbevren | prpplague: slashdot renders without problems |
| 13:33.33 | jbevren | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.3) Gecko/20060326 Firefox/1.5.0.3 (Debian-1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.3-2) |
| 13:33.51 | GPSFan | prpplague: hmm, I don't see anything I would classify as artifacts. ff 1.5.0.4, P4 Ubuntu-6.06 1280x1024.. one minute while I boot up my ppc box.. |
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| 13:38.00 | prpplague | hmm |
| 13:38.12 | prpplague | GPSFan: ok, it might just be a build issue |
| 13:38.23 | prpplague | GPSFan: i've seen this before with mozilla but not for a long time |
| 13:38.39 | GPSFan | prpplague: looks the same on my G3-333 ppc ubuntu 5.10 ff 1.03 800x600 box.. |
| 13:41.28 | prpplague | GPSFan: hmmmmmm |
| 13:42.03 | prpplague | GPSFan: i need one device driver to tell the power management that it is blocking suspend hmmmmm |
| 13:43.34 | GPSFan | prpplague: so the rendering issue happens after a suspend/resume? |
| 13:45.53 | prpplague | GPSFan: hehe, sorry two seperate topics |
| 13:46.09 | prpplague | GPSFan: firefox==desktop suspend==work project |
| 13:46.21 | GPSFan | prpplague: ah.. |
| 13:47.13 | jbevren | hehe |
| 13:48.15 | prpplague | i still haven't figured out how to do good inter driver communication |
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| 13:52.15 | prpplague | argh, speaking of evil..... sparkfun is like a drug dealer, they get all my money |
| 13:54.50 | prpplague | sparkfun's new motto should be "we are the tech gadget crack dealer of the 22nd century" |
| 13:55.04 | jbevren | haha |
| 13:55.17 | jbevren | I want them to sell that ethernet chip |
| 13:55.23 | jbevren | then I'll start odering :) |
| 13:55.33 | prpplague | yea, i've been keeping an eye out for that |
| 13:55.37 | jbevren | email them |
| 13:55.38 | jbevren | :) |
| 13:55.47 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, i'm way behind on my 2.6 driver |
| 13:55.53 | prpplague | jbevren: it works but isn't very clean |
| 13:55.54 | jbevren | the more pressure we apply (professionally), the more likely they'll get to it |
| 13:56.02 | prpplague | jbevren: well....... |
| 13:56.09 | prpplague | jbevren: not exactly like i'd buy one |
| 13:56.40 | jbevren | I would tho! |
| 13:56.42 | jbevren | hehe |
| 13:56.45 | jbevren | and I bet others would |
| 13:56.57 | prpplague | yea |
| 13:57.22 | prpplague | jbevren: but it would be dishonest for me to email them about it since i won't buy them |
| 13:59.07 | jbevren | heh |
| 13:59.09 | jbevren | fine |
| 13:59.11 | jbevren | be that way :) |
| 13:59.25 | jbevren | stupid honest people :) |
| 13:59.36 | jbevren | who needs honesty |
| 13:59.37 | jbevren | I mean |
| 13:59.46 | jbevren | look at george. He's about as dishonest as it gets, and he's a president |
| 14:00.35 | prpplague | jbevren: i like to keep the politics down here, but just out of curiosity, did you feel clinton was dishonest? |
| 14:01.03 | jbevren | mostly |
| 14:01.09 | jbevren | he did come out with it in the end |
| 14:01.27 | jbevren | but other than the blowjob scandal, I didnt pay much attention to him |
| 14:01.34 | prpplague | jbevren: ahh |
| 14:01.53 | jbevren | the only reason I paid attention to that was because the media universally shoved it down our throats |
| 14:01.55 | prpplague | that is interesting |
| 14:02.19 | jbevren | he pulled us out of iraq, so kudos to him |
| 14:02.54 | prpplague | very interesting |
| 14:11.52 | jbevren | yawn |
| 14:11.53 | jbevren | why do you ask |
| 14:12.53 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, i usually only talk politics with people who are of a similiar political mind, so i was just curious as to your position on that |
| 14:13.14 | jbevren | heh |
| 14:13.29 | chouimat | prpplague: most of the politicians in the world are dishonest |
| 14:13.30 | jbevren | all I can say is that I'm not as proud to be an american as I was programmed to be as a child |
| 14:13.56 | prpplague | chouimat: agreed |
| 14:14.36 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, i'm not either, but even if its not a perfect place, its far better than any of the other places i know of |
| 14:14.59 | chouimat | prpplague: nothing can't beat Canada ;) |
| 14:15.11 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:15.32 | jbevren | it doesnt matter where you go |
| 14:15.34 | jbevren | we rule that country |
| 14:15.38 | jbevren | I mean, look at sweden |
| 14:15.46 | jbevren | (/extremist) |
| 14:19.55 | davidc__ | ay! us canucks will kick your scrawny asses! |
| 14:20.01 | davidc__ | we'll sick the beavers on you |
| 14:20.05 | davidc__ | Feisty animals, those. |
| 14:20.48 | chouimat | hehe |
| 14:22.14 | davidc__ | *sic |
| 14:22.25 | davidc__ | [thats what I get for going on IRC right when I get up] |
| 14:23.05 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:25.25 | davidc__ | dcc would require editing firewall config |
| 14:25.37 | davidc__ | and I don't think my brain can handle messing with pf.conf at this hour |
| 14:25.57 | jbevren | you dont have an established,related rule? |
| 14:26.00 | jbevren | what a crappy firewall :) |
| 14:26.33 | davidc__ | erm? |
| 14:26.39 | davidc__ | established. related? |
| 14:26.42 | jbevren | yeah |
| 14:26.51 | jbevren | a rule to allow established and related connections to proceed |
| 14:27.01 | jbevren | related being a dcc inbound that's related to an outbound irc request |
| 14:27.06 | davidc__ | er... dunno how you'd determine that dcc is related :P |
| 14:27.11 | davidc__ | oh, but thats very high level filtering |
| 14:27.13 | jbevren | ip_nat_irc would |
| 14:27.19 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.28 | davidc__ | yeah, thought you were talking about something tcp level :P |
| 14:27.32 | jbevren | it spies on you like big brother, just waiting for a dcc request |
| 14:27.45 | jbevren | then it opens the firewall at the right moment |
| 14:27.53 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:27.58 | jbevren | its called natd in most BSD's |
| 14:28.00 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.03 | davidc__ | eh, there is something like that for pf - just not installed |
| 14:28.26 | davidc__ | eh, my fw is openbsd - which lives in its own little world |
| 14:28.34 | davidc__ | no idea if it uses natd as well |
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| 14:45.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: morning |
| 15:00.22 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 15:00.56 | prpplague | its keeping me from focusing on work |
| 15:12.34 | chouimat | prpplague: take a guiness ;) |
| 15:16.44 | prpplague | anyone up for a POV hack - http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=CES11142 |
| 15:17.27 | CosmicPenguin | point of view? |
| 15:18.56 | prpplague | persistance of vision |
| 15:21.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: there are a number of hacks for POV stuff |
| 15:23.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: http://www.ladyada.net.nyud.net:8090/forums/viewtopic.php?p=4712#4712 |
| 15:29.22 | jbevren | ahh |
| 15:29.24 | jbevren | those things |
| 15:29.25 | jbevren | :) |
| 15:30.12 | jbevren | I want to bulid one for my bike |
| 15:30.17 | jbevren | cause I'm a nerd like that |
| 15:31.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:31.33 | prpplague | jbevren: my son got all upset last weekend because i called my self a nerd |
| 15:31.47 | agaffney | hah |
| 15:32.01 | agaffney | did you do it in front of his friends? :P |
| 15:32.10 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe he said something like, you're not a nerd, you're too cool to be a nerd, heheh |
| 15:32.31 | agaffney | what a brown noser |
| 15:32.41 | prpplague | agaffney: hehe, no, but he was obviously worried i would, hehe |
| 15:32.41 | davidc__ | yea, bet he asks to borrow the car keys tomorrow |
| 15:32.55 | prpplague | davidc__: hehe, he just might and he's only 9 |
| 15:33.10 | agaffney | when I have kids, I'll purposely embarass them in front of their friends |
| 15:33.20 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:33.22 | jbevren | prpplague: youre a geek |
| 15:33.24 | jbevren | minor difference :) |
| 15:33.40 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:33.56 | prpplague | yea, i've taken the geer/nerd/dork test |
| 15:34.02 | agaffney | yeah, there's a difference |
| 15:34.06 | prpplague | i'm kind 50/50 for nerd/geek |
| 15:34.21 | agaffney | I think of a nerd as a scrawny kid wearing glasses and a pocket protector |
| 15:34.44 | agaffney | I'm a geek :P |
| 15:34.55 | prpplague | hmm, i have the glasses and the pocket protector hehe |
| 15:36.59 | agaffney | nerd!!!! |
| 15:37.04 | prpplague | agaffney: yea, i probably embarrase my son alot |
| 15:37.22 | prpplague | agaffney: i just want him to grow up with alot of the crap i had in high school |
| 15:37.29 | prpplague | agaffney: hehe |
| 15:37.37 | prpplague | agaffney: and i'm bald |
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| 15:37.52 | CosmicPenguin | I'm both |
| 15:37.55 | prpplague | agaffney: no comb over though, i shave what i have left |
| 15:38.07 | prpplague | yea, about 50/50 |
| 15:38.17 | prpplague | T0mW: hey old fart |
| 15:38.36 | T0mW | true |
| 15:38.41 | T0mW | :P |
| 15:39.04 | agaffney | prpplague: indeed...it's character building |
| 15:39.05 | prpplague | T0mW: so when is my dev cartridge for the pixter gonna be complete? hehehe |
| 15:39.12 | agaffney | I got a ton of crap in HS, and I'm a better person for it |
| 15:39.34 | agaffney | I have great self esteem and can joke about myself |
| 15:39.48 | agaffney | and it takes a *lot* to get to me |
| 15:40.05 | prpplague | agaffney: i do too, but i feel i was cheated out of some of the things other teenagers got to experience |
| 15:40.14 | prpplague | ~lart T0mW |
| 15:40.25 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:40.31 | agaffney | prpplague: I think the only things I really missed were the binge drinking and weed |
| 15:40.38 | agaffney | and I don't particularly care about either |
| 15:40.48 | prpplague | agaffney: ahh |
| 15:41.15 | agaffney | I was lucky enough to actually have a girlfriend, although not at the same school |
| 15:41.18 | agaffney | she's my wife now |
| 15:42.31 | prpplague | agaffney: well imagin me be the only geek in the high school in a red neck area of the country |
| 15:42.46 | agaffney | hehe |
| 15:48.48 | prpplague | T0mW: seriously though, it would nice to have a pcb you could mount the pixter-mm mother board on and have it basically as a development board |
| 15:51.44 | T0mW | prpplague: lol |
| 15:52.07 | T0mW | prpplague: Dave, I will help all you need to layout your first PCB |
| 15:52.45 | T0mW | prpplague: this is the last step in becoming an embedded engineer: software, hardware, pcb |
| 15:53.28 | CosmicPenguin | don' |
| 15:53.28 | prpplague | T0mW: yea yea |
| 15:53.32 | CosmicPenguin | t do it - save yourself |
| 15:53.49 | prpplague | T0mW: i can't seem to get over the mind block of doing the pcb myself |
| 15:54.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 15:54.52 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: yeah, not too late for Dave to get a job at WalMart |
| 15:55.17 | CosmicPenguin | You can be a perfectly successful engineer without resorting to laying out PCBs |
| 15:57.32 | T0mW | bottom line is that PCB layout can take days to do |
| 15:58.50 | prpplague | jbevren: man that ts is glued in |
| 16:04.16 | jbevren | sure is! |
| 16:04.27 | jbevren | shouldnt be hard to separate the lcd from it |
| 16:04.33 | jbevren | I just hooked the TS by accident |
| 16:04.41 | jbevren | i.e. pull the lcd out and leave the TS in teh assembly |
| 16:04.47 | jbevren | whatchya pulling it for anyway? heh |
| 16:06.26 | T0mW | hmm, is "__attribute" a synonym for "__attribute__" ? |
| 16:06.44 | T0mW | I just misspelled __attribute__ and it worked |
| 16:06.54 | prpplague | jbevren: just exploring |
| 16:07.00 | jbevren | :) |
| 16:07.04 | jbevren | there's nothing to see |
| 16:07.05 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:07.10 | jbevren | its an lcd, ts, and led backlight |
| 16:07.12 | jbevren | woot. :) |
| 16:08.31 | prpplague | jbevren: just checking out the best way to mount it on a dev board |
| 16:08.54 | jbevren | aha |
| 16:09.04 | jbevren | well, the lcd's assembly shell has nice screw posts on it :) |
| 16:10.48 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:10.48 | jbevren | I'm unsure how to mount the pcb myself |
| 16:10.56 | jbevren | I guess I could just extend the pads on the bottom with wires |
| 16:12.00 | prpplague | jbevren: there are two holes in the pcb for the plastic housing for the cart |
| 16:12.43 | jbevren | yeah |
| 16:12.49 | jbevren | I pulled the plastic housing off |
| 16:12.57 | jbevren | (as you can see in my images) |
| 16:13.48 | prpplague | i hate that connector |
| 16:15.12 | jbevren | shrug |
| 16:15.18 | jbevren | get the heatgun out :D |
| 16:15.38 | prpplague | hehe, already removed it |
| 16:15.38 | jbevren | :) |
| 16:15.47 | jbevren | I still need to get me a new pixter heh |
| 16:15.54 | jbevren | I want to get a small handful (2-3) |
| 16:16.03 | jbevren | I'm -so- going to use one to control my new microwave |
| 16:17.13 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:17.44 | prpplague | well i'm gonna try building my dev board for it this weekend |
| 16:18.05 | prpplague | jbevren: mount it on one of those pieces of board like for those cheap shelving units |
| 16:20.17 | prpplague | almost all the parts can be mounted to a .1" grid |
| 16:25.40 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:26.06 | jbevren | I figure I'll stick one of the enc28j60s on the thing (in hopes that a good net driver is made eventually) :) |
| 16:26.18 | jbevren | that way I can check the weather on the microwave's lcd etc :) |
| 16:26.24 | jbevren | and it can IM me when its done etc |
| 16:28.16 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:43.15 | jbevren | tell me you wouldnt buy such a microwave heh |
| 16:43.24 | jbevren | especially if it has added features like timers, alarms |
| 16:43.33 | jbevren | and an outlet on the back to turn your dumb coffee maker on in the morning |
| 16:43.35 | jbevren | mwahaha |
| 16:45.40 | jbevren | hagar: hm? |
| 16:53.36 | CosmicPenguin | so many things |
| 16:53.39 | CosmicPenguin | so little time |
| 16:54.00 | chouimat | ROFL http://www.dilbert.com/ |
| 16:55.57 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: amen |
| 16:58.53 | CosmicPenguin | Plus I have the stuff I need to do and the stuff I want to do |
| 16:59.28 | CosmicPenguin | The stuff I want to do - stuff a full scripting environment + wireless and kexec into about 300k |
| 16:59.30 | CosmicPenguin | for the OLPC rom |
| 16:59.52 | CosmicPenguin | Stuff I have to do - prepare a boring linux release for an old platform |
| 17:02.22 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:03.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm procrastinating on some code cleanups |
| 17:04.57 | CosmicPenguin | Which reminds me - if any of you want to play with OLPC, you should apply to get a board |
| 17:05.11 | CosmicPenguin | We're looking for a few good geeks |
| 17:08.25 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i considered it |
| 17:08.53 | CosmicPenguin | WE need a fewl good geeks that aren't afraid to burn a rom or two |
| 17:09.02 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:20.16 | CosmicPenguin | The amount of packages and work needed for X is truely incredible |
| 17:21.12 | prpplague | yea, i figured if i got one, i'd be taking it out of the hands of someone who could really be doing something good |
| 17:21.25 | CosmicPenguin | Nah |
| 17:36.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: don't think there really could be much i could help with |
| 17:36.42 | CosmicPenguin | For example, you could help me with this: |
| 17:36.58 | CosmicPenguin | http://dev.laptop.org/git.do?p=users/jcrouse/buildrom;a=summary |
| 17:37.42 | CosmicPenguin | heh - shameless, ain't i? |
| 17:37.58 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:38.08 | prpplague | naw, thats what opensource is all about |
| 17:38.29 | CosmicPenguin | I do feel a kinship with buildroot - back from the good ol' days |
| 17:38.36 | CosmicPenguin | when men were men, and flash was tiny] |
| 17:38.42 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:39.27 | CosmicPenguin | I spent so much time on that damn checklibs.pl script |
| 17:41.01 | prpplague | T0mW: i so want to design a board to take the pixter mm and plug it into |
| 17:41.28 | prpplague | T0mW: what i'm thinking is match the holes on the main board to the ones on the dev board |
| 17:41.39 | prpplague | T0mW: solder in some pins and then drop the board on top |
| 17:42.24 | T0mW | 1. decide on the board dimensions, 2. decide where connectors (etc) are to be placed, 3. build libary components for the PCB footprints & electrical elements (symbols), 4. wire schematic 5. wire PCB |
| 17:43.12 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, i can't figure out why i have such a mental block |
| 17:43.26 | prpplague | T0mW: i think it the "rejection" factor |
| 17:43.26 | T0mW | it is the gerber file that has you bugged |
| 17:43.38 | prpplague | T0mW: if i screw up i get some bad boards and out the money |
| 17:44.10 | T0mW | true, but PCBs are cheap to make: $100 for three top-quality boards. |
| 17:44.24 | prpplague | hehe, yea still |
| 17:44.33 | T0mW | double sided, silk and solder mask |
| 17:44.57 | T0mW | prpplague: just like writing software, you put pen-to-paper |
| 17:45.15 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, just i get to see my results pretty quick for software |
| 17:46.15 | T0mW | prpplague: it's not really that hard to do, the devil is in the details: e.g. dimensions of the footprints |
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| 19:36.48 | MonMotha | T0mW: I think I get more use out of my calipers than many mechanically inclined people do just measuring parts for footprints |
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| 22:53.11 | MonMotha | hum, I just committed a big no-no in board layout |
| 22:53.17 | MonMotha | I seem to be lacking mounting holes... |
| 23:18.16 | T0mW | MonMotha: heh, got a 1/4" drill handy? |
| 23:21.04 | MonMotha | T0mW: well, the board isn't made yet |
| 23:21.10 | MonMotha | but there's no room for the holes atm |
| 23:21.25 | MonMotha | so I'll need to do some shoving |
| 23:21.37 | T0mW | always fun |
| 23:22.20 | T0mW | I do a lot of that with Eagle, building a board, then have to shove stuff around to make room as the customer gets more grand ideas. |
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| 23:40.58 | MonMotha | this is orcad |
| 23:41.06 | MonMotha | the layout program is OK, but the DRC in it is VERY NICE |