| 00:09.24 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:09.28 | prpplague | T0mW: problems? |
| 00:11.14 | T0mW | prpplague: naw, just getting situated and doping stuff out. |
| 00:11.55 | T0mW | prpplague: right now, I'm chroot'ing to the image I built. seems to have stopped segfaulting when I have the correct lib path (chroot) heh |
| 00:12.15 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:12.27 | prpplague | T0mW: still tinkering around with eagle |
| 00:12.41 | T0mW | I have to copy the /dev dir contents defore the chroot though |
| 00:13.02 | T0mW | hmmm, and mount /proc |
| 00:13.03 | prpplague | T0mW: problem i'm seeing right now is i need to do a proto type board first so i know everything works, then do the schematic and layout |
| 00:13.25 | prpplague | T0mW: big holdup is i need something to proto the nor flash with |
| 00:14.19 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, whatever you feel comfortable with. After many years of experience, I do the best I can with the schematic & layout, then shoot it off to the board house to have one made. |
| 00:14.23 | T0mW | then ... |
| 00:14.45 | T0mW | when it comes back, I find all my mistakes on the first go-around |
| 00:14.48 | T0mW | then ... |
| 00:14.55 | T0mW | I have a second proto made |
| 00:15.36 | prpplague | yea, probablem is there is alot i'm unsure about |
| 00:15.46 | T0mW | you never, ever, never get it right the first time. It may be that you see the all the mistakes the first time, but, if you think you build a good board, wait a few years and it will bite you later. |
| 00:16.01 | T0mW | you can only get 99% of the mistakes. |
| 00:16.12 | T0mW | heh, 99 44/100s |
| 00:17.09 | prpplague | yea |
| 00:17.34 | prpplague | T0mW: but there are some things you can do to improve fixability |
| 00:19.05 | T0mW | heh, 234Meg free on / of the ZipIt (df -h) |
| 00:19.58 | T0mW | I can't find where the <ESC> key is mapped to |
| 00:20.08 | T0mW | I found the '|' |
| 00:22.58 | prpplague | check your keymap file in the kernel build |
| 00:23.10 | prpplague | you might even have one mapped |
| 00:23.16 | prpplague | i/not |
| 00:23.23 | T0mW | yeah, well, haven't got that far yet: kernel build |
| 00:23.37 | prpplague | ahh |
| 00:23.42 | T0mW | I'm using VA3UXB images |
| 00:23.51 | T0mW | Stephanie's stuff |
| 00:23.53 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 00:24.34 | T0mW | I just wanted to get comfortable with "what it should be" before I tried building my own stuff. |
| 00:25.07 | T0mW | mmc works, the RS232 circuit works, and the uploader stuff works. |
| 00:25.21 | T0mW | All my hardware seems to be in place now. |
| 00:26.27 | T0mW | heh "sh: startx: command not found" |
| 00:26.43 | T0mW | ooooh well |
| 00:27.14 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:28.05 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, funny, you are doing the same thing i am, hehe, i'm getting comfortable with the hardware, and you are getting comfortable with the software hehe |
| 00:29.14 | prpplague | still wise i could find something i could easily use for prototyping this NOR flash |
| 00:29.19 | prpplague | wish |
| 00:29.49 | prpplague | think i'll just order some of those tsop2 proto boards |
| 00:30.14 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm interested in using the ZipIt as a tool. |
| 00:30.37 | T0mW | prpplague: I just cannot justify purchasing a laptop as I seldom have a real need for one. |
| 00:30.50 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 00:30.57 | T0mW | prpplague: but, I occasionally need a portable system to do some RS232 work. |
| 00:31.08 | T0mW | basically capture data. |
| 00:31.09 | prpplague | T0mW: thats why i've been tinkering with my "kids laptop upgrade" |
| 00:32.02 | T0mW | I have a job right now to do where the demo unit they sent me is too simplistic and doesn't give me the data I need. |
| 00:32.14 | prpplague | T0mW: i've purchase about 6 different kids laptops, still tinkering with them |
| 00:32.29 | T0mW | What I have to do is go to a live installation (on site) and capture some data off a much larger, more complex installation. |
| 00:32.42 | T0mW | prpplague: OR |
| 00:32.44 | T0mW | prpplague: OR |
| 00:33.02 | prpplague | http://cgi.ebay.com/Radio-Shack-Accelerator-Vision-Fun-Learning-Laptop_W0QQitemZ330002181947QQihZ014QQcategoryZ2518QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 00:33.10 | prpplague | i have one like that |
| 00:33.10 | T0mW | prpplague: send them a ZipIt and tell them to "plug it in for a few days" |
| 00:33.18 | prpplague | got a s3c2410 inside |
| 00:33.36 | prpplague | 4-bit stn |
| 00:33.59 | prpplague | works pretty darn good |
| 00:34.07 | prpplague | just want a little more out of it |
| 00:34.28 | prpplague | hehe, my own brand of OLPC |
| 00:34.46 | T0mW | ROTFLMAFAO |
| 00:34.59 | prpplague | ????? |
| 00:34.59 | T0mW | fake desktop images LOL |
| 00:35.04 | prpplague | oh yea |
| 00:35.09 | prpplague | they all do that |
| 00:35.12 | T0mW | LOL |
| 00:35.46 | prpplague | http://cgi.ebay.com/Educational-Laptop-Computer-For-Kids-Kid-Top-Of-TheLine_W0QQitemZ200003651223QQihZ010QQcategoryZ11732QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 00:35.47 | T0mW | oh sh~t, what a stupid thing: "here, this looks like daddy's computer" |
| 00:35.49 | prpplague | thats another one i have |
| 00:35.55 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 00:36.52 | prpplague | jeeze i have 8 that've been hacking |
| 00:36.55 | T0mW | prpplague: how big are those units? |
| 00:36.57 | prpplague | didn't realize i had that many |
| 00:37.08 | prpplague | T0mW: average laptop |
| 00:37.14 | prpplague | T0mW: just very light |
| 00:37.23 | prpplague | maybe slightly smaller |
| 00:37.32 | prpplague | i have 2 that are sub-notebook size |
| 00:37.47 | chouimat|ibook | T0mW: nice reply about the PORN button on lpc mailing list ;) |
| 00:38.02 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:38.38 | T0mW | chouimat|ibook: they could have called it a: PoweRON button |
| 00:39.04 | chouimat|ibook | T0mW: hehe |
| 00:39.06 | prpplague | T0mW: i get a cheap usb keyboard and ripped out the control circuit then mapped to the internal keyboard matrix |
| 00:39.42 | prpplague | T0mW: i have the enc28j60 for wired ethernet, and i use a 802.11b usb dongle for wireless |
| 00:40.25 | prpplague | T0mW: you can convert one for around $75.00 if you buy properly |
| 00:45.42 | prpplague | hehe, all i want is something to solder a nor flash to, is that asking toooo much??? |
| 00:46.37 | T0mW | prpplague: that's why I'm trying to get you to start building your own boards. You can spend hours / daze looking for this crap |
| 00:47.33 | T0mW | once you get comfortable designing your own boards, you can knock it out in a few hours and have it delivered to you in a week |
| 00:47.42 | T0mW | week == 7days |
| 00:47.54 | prpplague | uh, naw, try 30 days |
| 00:47.58 | prpplague | if i'm lucky |
| 00:48.10 | jbevren | Hm |
| 00:48.15 | T0mW | oh, so you don't have DHL, UPS or FedEx? |
| 00:48.16 | prpplague | the joys of living on an island |
| 00:48.18 | jbevren | final fantasy advent children is an interesting story |
| 00:48.26 | jbevren | now that that's over |
| 00:48.27 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, still has to go through customs |
| 00:48.28 | jbevren | out for a while |
| 00:49.05 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, you're screwed any way you look at it. Even if you find a board to solder NOR flash onto it still gets delayed in customs |
| 00:49.28 | prpplague | yea, thats why i try to find something that is generic enough i can find locally |
| 00:50.01 | prpplague | T0mW: still, i'm not sure about being able to solder the tsop2 package |
| 00:50.07 | prpplague | T0mW: those pins are might close |
| 00:50.55 | T0mW | prpplague: well, I wonder if you can get together with a government rep and talk over your problems that your business has with their procedures: customs |
| 00:51.34 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, right, i'd end up in jail, and the jails here aren't fun |
| 00:51.37 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.omega-research.co.uk/prototyping_adapter_tsop2.html |
| 00:51.46 | T0mW | the purpose of government is to facilitate business |
| 00:52.00 | prpplague | T0mW: only if it lines their pockets |
| 00:52.10 | T0mW | that goes without saying |
| 00:52.14 | prpplague | T0mW: major corruption in customs here |
| 00:52.32 | T0mW | *every* government is that way: it is made up of people |
| 00:52.52 | prpplague | i bought two pixters and they were stuck in customs for almost 6 months |
| 00:52.57 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, well, its worse in 3rd world countries |
| 00:53.18 | prpplague | T0mW: if you can't tell i _totaly_ f'n sick of living here |
| 00:53.50 | prpplague | T0mW: $17 for those |
| 00:54.06 | T0mW | what did the custom cost you in additon? |
| 00:54.36 | prpplague | T0mW: on the pixters? |
| 00:54.41 | T0mW | yeah |
| 00:54.49 | prpplague | T0mW: about $150 USD |
| 00:55.02 | T0mW | in additional custom? |
| 00:55.15 | prpplague | yea the customs was on $20.00 |
| 00:55.20 | prpplague | only |
| 00:55.41 | T0mW | oh, so they charged you $3 more for each unit? |
| 00:56.11 | prpplague | hehe, you have me confused, let me itemize |
| 00:56.17 | T0mW | good idea |
| 00:56.39 | T0mW | A pixter cost you $17 and they tack on ?? $ |
| 00:56.40 | prpplague | 2 pixters $50.00 , shipping $10.00, customs $20.00, bribe to official, $150.00 |
| 00:57.05 | prpplague | T0mW: no the tsop2 adapters are $17 |
| 00:57.22 | T0mW | ok, so the custom was $10 per unit (sans bribe) |
| 00:57.29 | prpplague | yea |
| 00:57.32 | T0mW | ok |
| 00:57.57 | T0mW | and you had to pay $150 for "expadited custom clearance" |
| 00:58.03 | prpplague | i'm white so they usually stick it to me |
| 00:58.15 | prpplague | T0mW: if you call 6 months expadited |
| 00:58.58 | prpplague | but i'm learning how things work |
| 00:59.10 | prpplague | T0mW: i know who to talk to now, so its usually just about 30 days |
| 00:59.32 | T0mW | 30 days plus the "epedition fee"? |
| 00:59.38 | prpplague | yea |
| 00:59.43 | T0mW | LOL |
| 00:59.57 | T0mW | what a fscking joke |
| 01:00.01 | prpplague | yea it is |
| 01:00.10 | prpplague | these people here just live with it too |
| 01:00.27 | prpplague | you know those $35.00 dvd players? |
| 01:00.30 | T0mW | prpplague: no, they steal what they need from the tourists |
| 01:00.38 | T0mW | no custom |
| 01:00.52 | prpplague | hehe, well not everyone works with tourists though |
| 01:01.07 | prpplague | T0mW: those dvd players sell retail here for around $300USD |
| 01:01.23 | T0mW | now I understand why a guy I know travels to South American countries and leaves some of his equipment behind |
| 01:01.32 | prpplague | yea |
| 01:01.42 | prpplague | T0mW: you can make alot of money that way |
| 01:01.47 | prpplague | T0mW: you have to be careful though |
| 01:01.52 | T0mW | "it was stolen" |
| 01:01.56 | prpplague | T0mW: sometimes they make you do a bond for it |
| 01:02.03 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:02.17 | prpplague | T0mW: but yea, its really bad |
| 01:02.38 | prpplague | T0mW: if these countries had open commerce like the states their economies would be booming |
| 01:02.41 | T0mW | well, it sounds like that method would be faster than running it through custom, maybe not cheaper. |
| 01:03.13 | prpplague | yea, well, i'm planning to start just flying to miami once a month |
| 01:03.19 | prpplague | just bring it back in the suitcase |
| 01:03.44 | T0mW | prpplague: protectionism fears and fears of tax income loss are tough concepts for a government to give up. |
| 01:03.57 | prpplague | yea |
| 01:04.12 | T0mW | look at the Free Trade here in the U.S. |
| 01:04.16 | prpplague | well, as soon as donna gets her visa we are out of here |
| 01:04.26 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, yea |
| 01:05.07 | prpplague | T0mW: not a signal 1/4 resistor on the island to be purchased, called everywhere today |
| 01:05.10 | T0mW | ok, buildroot makes a workable filesystem, now to start getting a kernel into that buildroot |
| 01:05.11 | prpplague | single |
| 01:05.22 | prpplague | T0mW: before you go |
| 01:05.32 | prpplague | T0mW: you look at those tsop2 adapterS? |
| 01:05.39 | T0mW | no, url? |
| 01:06.01 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.omega-research.co.uk/prototyping_adapter_tsop2.html |
| 01:07.26 | T0mW | well, let me say this. I can see that you are going to have a real fun time of it soldering parts onto those boards |
| 01:07.39 | prpplague | oh/ |
| 01:07.40 | prpplague | ? |
| 01:07.51 | prpplague | why? |
| 01:07.58 | T0mW | with such long pads, I can see you easily getting a solder bridge up under the part and not being able to clear it |
| 01:08.11 | T0mW | solder has a tendancy to wick |
| 01:08.41 | prpplague | yea, i'm usually pretty good about that |
| 01:08.53 | prpplague | T0mW: just not sure if i can do the tsop2 |
| 01:09.00 | T0mW | I cannot solder 0.5mm pads by hand without bridging |
| 01:09.02 | prpplague | T0mW: that pretty small porch |
| 01:09.58 | T0mW | I tried a solder paste pneumatic applicator to put a spot of paste onto the pads. that was pretty successful although hard to control the amount of paste |
| 01:10.18 | T0mW | for 0.05" pads, it is ok. 0.5mm is pretty fine |
| 01:11.04 | T0mW | this is why I went to the stencil + paste + sqeegee approach. Much higher rate of success as I can more finely control the amount of paste that is deposited onto the pad area. |
| 01:11.06 | prpplague | yea i have a cf card with some unused tsop2 pads i was thinking of doing a test a run with a couple of old chips |
| 01:12.05 | T0mW | prpplague: what I might suggest is that you put some mylar tape down on the board covering most of the pad area. |
| 01:12.26 | T0mW | then, smear some solder paste across the exposed pads |
| 01:12.54 | T0mW | then, wipe the excess off using a razor blade (scraper) to leave a thin film of paste |
| 01:13.00 | T0mW | then, remove the tape |
| 01:13.22 | T0mW | then, put the device down and run it through a toaster oven to melt the paste |
| 01:14.03 | prpplague | ahh interesting |
| 01:14.24 | prpplague | think i'l give it a try soldering by hand tomorrow |
| 01:14.29 | prpplague | and see how i do |
| 01:15.08 | T0mW | I have a 10 watt tiny pencil iron and 0.020" solder. It does not work to try to solder 0.5mm pads with it. the wire solder will only melt into a somewhat large ball, approx 30..40mil, that is too large a ball of solder to apply to the pins |
| 01:15.20 | T0mW | prpplague: you have solder paste? |
| 01:15.37 | prpplague | no never used that before |
| 01:16.02 | prpplague | T0mW: i can do .6mm with no problems on a 12watt weller |
| 01:16.07 | T0mW | prpplague: problem with getting solder paste is that it cannot be warm, it has to be shipped overnight and kept cold. |
| 01:16.29 | prpplague | uh, not gonna happen |
| 01:16.38 | T0mW | someone is |
| 01:17.00 | prpplague | ?? |
| 01:17.10 | T0mW | someone is banging away with fireworks in the neighborhood |
| 01:17.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:17.34 | T0mW | prpplague: you live on a tourist island, I live the tourist mountains |
| 01:17.43 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:17.44 | T0mW | prpplague: you live on a tourist island, I live in the tourist mountains |
| 01:18.02 | T0mW | "welcome to the Pocono Mountains, GO HOME!" |
| 01:18.45 | T0mW | "when you move here to escape the crime in the city, leave your children in the city" |
| 01:19.28 | T0mW | and they wonder why they cannot get away from gangs & crime, sheesh |
| 01:20.22 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:21.01 | prpplague | T0mW: what i need to get is a handspring visor backup module |
| 01:22.14 | prpplague | http://cgi.ebay.com/New-8mb-Flash-Springboard-Module-Visor-memory-expansion_W0QQitemZ120002302029QQihZ002QQcategoryZ15007QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 01:22.25 | T0mW | btw, 0.65mm is not too bad to solder, still a PITA |
| 01:22.31 | T0mW | but do-able |
| 01:23.22 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 01:23.36 | T0mW | prpplague: maybe what you need to do is get a source of junk electronic boards. then put then into a toaster oven to melt the solder and wipe the parts off the board with a paper towel |
| 01:23.50 | prpplague | T0mW: our board guy at the office normally some board bringups, but he uses a microscope and a really expensive solder station |
| 01:24.16 | T0mW | that way, you might be able to come up with some footprints to add your TSOP-II devices and wire them up with 30ga wire to the vias and such on that junk board? |
| 01:24.38 | T0mW | definately need a microscope |
| 01:24.56 | prpplague | T0mW: if i was gonna do that, i'd just order those adapter board |
| 01:25.02 | T0mW | nod |
| 01:25.17 | T0mW | yeah, a whole bunch of them so you have stock on hand |
| 01:25.18 | prpplague | T0mW: i was trying to get out of having to solder the .5mm |
| 01:25.33 | prpplague | T0mW: just need 2 or 3 completed |
| 01:25.41 | prpplague | T0mW: i reuse them |
| 01:26.13 | T0mW | prpplague: so, now that you've got dual citizenship, you going to move back to the U.S.? |
| 01:26.17 | prpplague | just wish there was a removable module similiar in the way NAND is for xD/SM |
| 01:26.53 | prpplague | T0mW: i've alway had dual citizenship, just have to file the paper work, its donna visa for the states thats the problem |
| 01:27.05 | prpplague | T0mW: thats always been the problem |
| 01:27.38 | T0mW | hmm, wonder if she has married a U.S. citizen that she cannot get U.S. citizenship as well? |
| 01:27.58 | prpplague | say again? |
| 01:28.00 | T0mW | or, she is smart and doesn't want it? hee heeh |
| 01:28.22 | prpplague | ?? |
| 01:28.42 | T0mW | Well, a U.S. citizen doesn't need a visa to "come home" |
| 01:29.22 | prpplague | T0mW: yes, but you need to have a visa to come to the states first, then you get your green card, then after 7 years you get your citizenship |
| 01:30.13 | prpplague | T0mW: but you have to have the visa first |
| 01:31.22 | prpplague | T0mW: just because you married a US citizen doesn't mean you are, or even can come to the states |
| 01:31.22 | T0mW | prpplague: but, I thought, that if a foriegn national married a United States Citizen, that national could apply for United States Citizenship? |
| 01:31.48 | prpplague | T0mW: yea they can apply for citizenship, but no before the other things |
| 01:31.49 | T0mW | or, is the process much more involved than that? |
| 01:31.59 | prpplague | WAY more involved |
| 01:32.03 | T0mW | ok |
| 01:32.08 | prpplague | and they can't even keep the rules straight |
| 01:32.13 | T0mW | lol |
| 01:32.25 | prpplague | T0mW: we were just 2 weeks away from her visa when they did this - http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/13/homeland.wedding.delays.ap/index.html |
| 01:32.49 | prpplague | so now, we are waiting to have to fill out paperwork that doesn't even exist yet |
| 01:33.17 | T0mW | bureaucrats |
| 01:34.49 | prpplague | T0mW: gone are the days where if you get married to a US citizen do you get automatic green card |
| 01:34.58 | prpplague | T0mW: that went away in the early 80's |
| 01:35.04 | prpplague | T0mW: when so many people abused it |
| 01:36.22 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, move to Mexico, then you can cross the border to pick up stuff from your Brownsville, TX, POB |
| 01:37.07 | prpplague | hehe, want to do it legally |
| 01:37.13 | prpplague | go eat |
| 01:37.15 | prpplague | i'm to bed soon |
| 01:37.23 | T0mW | I woke up at 5PM |
| 01:38.06 | agaffney | ... |
| 01:38.20 | agaffney | lazy :P |
| 01:38.43 | T0mW | agaffney: naw, too much to do and not enough hours in a day |
| 01:38.53 | T0mW | agaffney: I run 28 hours days |
| 01:39.09 | T0mW | give me a couple of weeks and it will be 5AM |
| 01:39.11 | T0mW | heh |
| 01:39.31 | T0mW | agaffney: you just caught me on my night cycle |
| 01:48.10 | prpplague | anyone know a good place to order FPC flat cable? |
| 01:52.26 | agaffney | T0mW: heh |
| 01:55.16 | T0mW | prpplague: digikey |
| 01:55.36 | T0mW | prpplague: you have a digikey catalog? |
| 01:56.37 | prpplague | T0mW: no, they won't send me one, looking at the pdf now |
| 01:56.39 | *** join/#edev dijenerate (n=dijenera@69.73.212.227) |
| 01:56.54 | prpplague | T0mW: i don't see any FPC cable, only FFC, is there a difference? |
| 01:57.09 | jbevren | whazza FPC? |
| 01:57.23 | T0mW | Flat Plastic Cable |
| 01:57.28 | jbevren | ahh |
| 01:57.30 | jbevren | ffc? |
| 01:57.32 | jbevren | :) |
| 01:57.40 | T0mW | Flat Flexible Cable |
| 01:57.48 | jbevren | I have some fpc I rescued from old bubblejets :D |
| 01:58.07 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm, |
| 01:58.09 | prpplague | T0mW: ok |
| 01:58.17 | prpplague | so digikey does carry FPC? |
| 01:58.57 | prpplague | or can i use the FFC instead? |
| 01:59.14 | T0mW | prpplague: to you, what is an FPC cable? The kind that is used on IDE drives? |
| 01:59.56 | prpplague | T0mW: no, whats normally used on lcd alot of lcd panels |
| 02:00.18 | prpplague | T0mW: wait let me get a pic |
| 02:00.31 | T0mW | ok, the kind use on drives would be "Flat Cable" |
| 02:00.40 | prpplague | http://www.guylhem.net/r-hardware/simpad/bluetooth/fpc-connect.jpg |
| 02:00.43 | prpplague | something like that |
| 02:00.56 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh |
| 02:01.56 | T0mW | the kind for LCD would be Flat Flex Cable |
| 02:02.18 | jbevren | the kind in bubblejets is fpc then? |
| 02:02.24 | jbevren | (made for constant flexing |
| 02:02.24 | prpplague | T0mW: so what is pictured in that url is FFC? |
| 02:02.33 | T0mW | that is the thin plastic sheet with flat wires in it |
| 02:03.02 | T0mW | that is FFC |
| 02:03.05 | prpplague | ahh, ok so whats in the picture would be FFC |
| 02:03.22 | T0mW | IIRC, the term FPC is no longer used |
| 02:03.33 | jbevren | oh ok |
| 02:04.50 | prpplague | hmm, need to count the pins on the pixter lcd cable |
| 02:04.55 | T0mW | jbevren: I dunno if it would be good for "constant flexing", just that it is a Flat, Flexible, Cable |
| 02:04.58 | prpplague | jbevren: you have yours hand? |
| 02:05.05 | prpplague | left mine at the office |
| 02:05.05 | jbevren | prpplague: bah hehe |
| 02:05.15 | jbevren | its in a room that's not airconditioned lol |
| 02:05.19 | jbevren | 1sec |
| 02:05.23 | prpplague | ok |
| 02:05.41 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/pixter/pixterboard-overhead.jpg |
| 02:05.42 | jbevren | count em :D |
| 02:05.43 | T0mW | prpplague: can you get page 56 of the current Digikey catalog? |
| 02:05.46 | jbevren | <- evil |
| 02:06.17 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, one sec |
| 02:06.56 | prpplague | 56? |
| 02:07.18 | T0mW | http://dkc3.digikey.com/PDF/T062/0056.pdf |
| 02:07.29 | jbevren | 28? |
| 02:07.33 | jbevren | its single sided isnt it? |
| 02:07.41 | prpplague | thats connectors |
| 02:07.47 | T0mW | the terms: FPC and FFC are interchangable with FFC being the preferred |
| 02:08.08 | T0mW | prpplague: cable is on page 55 |
| 02:08.23 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, already looking at that page :) |
| 02:08.25 | prpplague | T0mW: thanks |
| 02:08.31 | prpplague | jbevren: yea 28 |
| 02:08.45 | prpplague | jbevren: now just need to know the width |
| 02:08.59 | jbevren | let me grab my caliper |
| 02:09.43 | jbevren | metric or sae? |
| 02:09.58 | jbevren | cable is 1.14" wide |
| 02:10.21 | jbevren | connector body is 1.18" |
| 02:10.46 | MonMotha | T0mW: you know much about CRT monitors? |
| 02:10.48 | prpplague | jbevren: got that in mm ? hehe |
| 02:11.01 | jbevren | pin spacing is .03" |
| 02:11.02 | jbevren | sure |
| 02:11.06 | MonMotha | You have: 1.14in |
| 02:11.06 | jbevren | hehe |
| 02:11.06 | MonMotha | You want: mm |
| 02:11.06 | MonMotha | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.06 | MonMotha | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.15 | MonMotha | units :) |
| 02:11.19 | jbevren | 29mm |
| 02:11.35 | MonMotha | damn you and your digital calipers... |
| 02:11.42 | prpplague | yea, that looks to be 1mm |
| 02:12.00 | MonMotha | though they were cheap... |
| 02:12.00 | jbevren | ~1mm pin spacing |
| 02:12.09 | jbevren | 1.4mm outside to outside, pin width is .5mm |
| 02:12.36 | prpplague | yea that looks correct then |
| 02:12.45 | jbevren | surplus computers $6 digital caliper :D |
| 02:12.50 | prpplague | ok so we know where we can get an extention for the lcd |
| 02:12.53 | jbevren | the only thing I miss on it is the jog wheel |
| 02:13.02 | prpplague | jbevren: i was thinking of ordering one of those |
| 02:13.06 | jbevren | prpplague: why extend the lcd end? |
| 02:13.06 | prpplague | jbevren: any good? |
| 02:13.10 | jbevren | prpplague: pretty good |
| 02:13.16 | jbevren | .1mm and .01 inch accuracy |
| 02:13.19 | prpplague | jbevren: for the dev board |
| 02:13.33 | jbevren | prpplague: I'd just extend the cable to the intermediary board |
| 02:13.45 | prpplague | jbevren: still too short |
| 02:13.58 | jbevren | meh :P |
| 02:14.07 | prpplague | jbevren: besides the intermediary board is what i meant |
| 02:14.15 | jbevren | cant get a long enough cable between the pixter and the lcd intermediary? |
| 02:14.19 | jbevren | ahh |
| 02:14.45 | prpplague | i could solder some small cable, and that is probably what i will do for my first dev board |
| 02:15.05 | prpplague | but i'd like to have it on the dev board use the existing lcd connector |
| 02:15.33 | prpplague | man it would have been nice if they had used real flash |
| 02:15.42 | jbevren | I was looking at the new RiscPC hardware |
| 02:15.58 | jbevren | it made me want an ARM laptop again |
| 02:15.59 | jbevren | hehe |
| 02:16.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:17.05 | prpplague | later folks |
| 02:17.14 | jbevren | I do have a p120 laptop with 800x600 dstn |
| 02:17.15 | jbevren | mwahaha |
| 02:17.19 | jbevren | if only I were more ambitious |
| 02:19.01 | jbevren | btw, anyone know the part number for the lcd backlight LEDs? |
| 02:19.09 | jbevren | bright buggers these are |
| 02:20.53 | prpplague | uh some i'm heading to the bed room and realize, tomorrow is a holiday |
| 02:21.00 | prpplague | why the hell and i going to be? |
| 02:21.02 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:21.18 | jbevren | hehe |
| 02:21.21 | jbevren | so |
| 02:21.26 | jbevren | any idea on the led? :D |
| 02:21.27 | T0mW | prpplague: go play with the wife |
| 02:21.31 | prpplague | i do have to take the kids to school, but other than that, i'm off |
| 02:21.48 | prpplague | T0mW: she's watching some womanly boring tv show |
| 02:21.57 | prpplague | T0mW: wife swap or some such |
| 02:22.02 | T0mW | prpplague: :P |
| 02:22.28 | prpplague | T0mW: she doesn't think its funny when i ask "is that a show we men trade sex partners?" |
| 02:24.13 | prpplague | jbevren: i've been thinking, it might be more beneficial if we just do a board to convert the cardedge connector to something more useful |
| 02:24.28 | jbevren | prpplague: in lieu of removing the connector? |
| 02:25.04 | prpplague | jbevren: no still remove the connector, but replace it with something other connector |
| 02:25.20 | prpplague | jbevren: something is more standaradized |
| 02:26.26 | T0mW | WTF, the default buildroot makes a gcc for the ARM target? |
| 02:26.32 | T0mW | a native gcc? |
| 02:26.54 | T0mW | that ought to be interesting, building code on the ZipIt |
| 02:27.10 | jbevren | there |
| 02:27.12 | jbevren | an OS I can stand |
| 02:27.33 | jbevren | :D |
| 02:27.35 | T0mW | jbevren: ever try to compile a kernel on an ARM machine? |
| 02:27.48 | T0mW | jbevren: I killed it after several hours |
| 02:28.04 | jbevren | T0mW: hm |
| 02:28.22 | jbevren | yeah, I ran the linksys devkit buildscript |
| 02:28.22 | T0mW | 44 bogomips just cannot do certain things, heh |
| 02:28.26 | jbevren | oh |
| 02:28.28 | jbevren | ON an arm |
| 02:28.29 | jbevren | hehe |
| 02:28.36 | T0mW | yeah ON the target |
| 02:28.40 | jbevren | I once built 2.2 on a 486sx/25 with 4M ram |
| 02:28.45 | T0mW | :P |
| 02:28.47 | T0mW | btdt |
| 02:28.54 | jbevren | I let it build while I slept |
| 02:28.56 | jbevren | haha |
| 02:28.57 | T0mW | little more ram though |
| 02:29.22 | prpplague | hmm, what would be a good connector.......atleast 60 pins , easy to solder |
| 02:29.30 | chouimat|ibook | night |
| 02:29.36 | T0mW | chouimat|ibook: bye |
| 02:29.40 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: later |
| 02:31.13 | T0mW | LOL, there is even a 'make' in there! |
| 02:31.24 | jbevren | tom: bwahahah |
| 02:31.28 | T0mW | no 'bison' though |
| 02:32.05 | T0mW | <gasp> flex is there too. |
| 02:32.19 | T0mW | this is interesting how far buildroot / busybox has come |
| 02:32.22 | T0mW | on ARM |
| 02:32.47 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, lot of work |
| 02:33.12 | T0mW | prpplague: I want to try the openvpn and see if I can join my VPN with the ZipIt |
| 02:33.39 | T0mW | but, I need a serial console, and to do that I need to build a new kernel |
| 02:37.09 | jbevren | man, I need to get this walnut into a shielded box |
| 02:37.12 | jbevren | it stomps all over my radio |
| 02:38.23 | prpplague | well i have everything i need but the nor flash :( |
| 02:38.49 | prpplague | what i'd like to do is find the pins that configure the bootloader |
| 02:39.04 | prpplague | if i could that, i could configure it to boot using x8 flash |
| 02:39.22 | prpplague | then i would have less wire to connect and i could use some small flash |
| 02:39.28 | prpplague | that could be plcc |
| 02:40.51 | prpplague | i just need 256k |
| 02:48.50 | jbevren | hmm |
| 02:49.17 | prpplague | all the small ones are 5v only :( |
| 02:49.33 | jbevren | havent tried togglign the lines? |
| 02:49.47 | jbevren | there arent horribly many resistors on the board ;-) |
| 02:51.18 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, these 4 lines are hardwired |
| 02:51.27 | prpplague | jbevren: should be a bank of 4 resistors |
| 02:51.42 | jbevren | right |
| 02:51.47 | jbevren | if you set the lines as GPIO and output |
| 02:51.50 | jbevren | you should be able to toggle em |
| 02:53.13 | prpplague | jbevren: no they aren't on the boundry scan |
| 02:53.26 | jbevren | I mean from software |
| 02:53.29 | jbevren | not from jtag |
| 02:53.34 | jbevren | upload a binary to toggle the lines |
| 02:56.13 | prpplague | jbevren: they are read only |
| 02:56.46 | jbevren | PC7 is multiplexed with a GPIO isnt it? |
| 02:56.57 | jbevren | er, PC7:4 |
| 02:57.20 | jbevren | oh |
| 02:57.24 | jbevren | its multiplexed with the address bus |
| 02:57.39 | prpplague | yea |
| 02:59.37 | jbevren | hm |
| 02:59.44 | jbevren | docs indicate its address/boot/portc |
| 03:00.22 | prpplague | maybe i miss read |
| 03:00.41 | prpplague | but i thought that in the current mode it was unaddressable |
| 03:00.49 | prpplague | i'll reread that tomorrow |
| 03:01.02 | jbevren | page 315 (for reference) |
| 03:01.31 | jbevren | stat |
| 03:01.32 | jbevren | oop |
| 03:01.57 | prpplague | ?? |
| 03:02.06 | jbevren | stat is an ocd command hehe |
| 03:02.13 | prpplague | oh |
| 03:02.20 | jbevren | lessee |
| 03:03.32 | jbevren | looks like its set up for GPIO |
| 03:03.37 | jbevren | FFFE5030: 00005555 |
| 03:03.43 | prpplague | i'm wondering if some small CF cards might have good nand |
| 03:03.47 | jbevren | now to find the gpio register :) |
| 03:03.51 | jbevren | oh |
| 03:03.54 | prpplague | ?? |
| 03:03.55 | jbevren | hrm |
| 03:04.03 | jbevren | that register is mux control for port c |
| 03:04.15 | jbevren | wouldnt a cf card have nor? |
| 03:04.19 | jbevren | gah I'm confusing them again :) |
| 03:04.35 | prpplague | jbevren: they used too, but they are mostly nand now |
| 03:04.57 | jbevren | nor is the linear flsh right? |
| 03:04.58 | jbevren | :D |
| 03:05.03 | jbevren | I'll eventually remember it |
| 03:05.08 | prpplague | problem is even if it is nor, i'd have to remove the controller chip |
| 03:06.17 | jbevren | yeah |
| 03:06.25 | jbevren | but you'd at least have the memory |
| 03:06.44 | jbevren | best bet would be a small cf |
| 03:06.46 | jbevren | 16meg'ish |
| 03:06.47 | prpplague | jbevren: nor is a per address read/write, no crc or anything, NAND has to have crc checking as well as other items |
| 03:06.55 | jbevren | nod |
| 03:06.56 | jbevren | I thought so |
| 03:06.58 | jbevren | I'm getting better :) |
| 03:08.42 | prpplague | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4422361427.html |
| 03:08.45 | prpplague | good article |
| 03:11.51 | prpplague | jbevren: interesting, i must have miss read this |
| 03:12.00 | jbevren | hm |
| 03:12.10 | jbevren | I should be able to read the DDR back |
| 03:12.16 | jbevren | but its eitehr not writing or not reading back |
| 03:12.27 | prpplague | ddr? |
| 03:12.31 | jbevren | data direction register |
| 03:12.36 | jbevren | controls the direction of the GPIO pin |
| 03:12.37 | jbevren | oh |
| 03:12.43 | jbevren | error: write large: target bus error |
| 03:12.45 | jbevren | grumble |
| 03:12.50 | jbevren | I'm writing ot offset 8 |
| 03:12.53 | jbevren | shouldnt be a prob |
| 03:13.46 | jbevren | haha |
| 03:13.47 | T0mW | heh |
| 03:13.48 | jbevren | too many zeros |
| 03:13.51 | jbevren | grumble :) |
| 03:14.22 | jbevren | bits 7:4 are output already |
| 03:14.25 | MonMotha | T0mW: any experience with CRT monitors? |
| 03:14.29 | T0mW | some |
| 03:14.38 | jbevren | FFFDE008: 000000F0 |
| 03:14.40 | prpplague | jbevren: they are set for output? |
| 03:14.53 | jbevren | F0 would be 1111 0000 (7:4 output 3:0 input) |
| 03:14.58 | prpplague | you have a cart in? |
| 03:14.59 | MonMotha | ok, know what the "ACL" control might do? It appears to control the expected active video level, but I'm not sure if I'm adjusting something else |
| 03:15.03 | jbevren | I dont |
| 03:15.13 | jbevren | I have the calibrate button jumped though |
| 03:15.25 | jbevren | keeps the irritating music from starting :) |
| 03:15.27 | prpplague | ? |
| 03:15.35 | prpplague | oh oyu still need to calibrate |
| 03:15.37 | jbevren | the button on the back that resets it and lets you calibrate |
| 03:15.43 | jbevren | I haev a gator clip across teh pins |
| 03:16.09 | jbevren | hm |
| 03:16.11 | jbevren | afk o'scope |
| 03:16.42 | prpplague | jbevren: uh you miss read that |
| 03:16.55 | prpplague | jbevren: remember the direction control has three options |
| 03:17.04 | prpplague | jbevren: so its two bits per line |
| 03:17.08 | jbevren | no, thats the mux |
| 03:17.21 | jbevren | the mux has 2 bits per line |
| 03:17.24 | jbevren | the ddr (page 261) doesnt |
| 03:17.32 | jbevren | brb :P |
| 03:17.50 | jbevren | I'm used to GPIOs (from the c64's CIA chips, which operate similarly) |
| 03:18.03 | prpplague | oh ok miss communication |
| 03:18.09 | prpplague | we are talking two different things |
| 03:18.20 | prpplague | i thought you were giving me the mux status |
| 03:18.31 | prpplague | what is the mux status? |
| 03:20.33 | jbevren | rechecking |
| 03:21.15 | jbevren | FFFE5030: 00005555 |
| 03:21.30 | jbevren | looks like I need to reset that |
| 03:22.40 | prpplague | i would expect that to be 0x00000000 |
| 03:22.50 | *** join/#edev ohsix (i=ohsix@bc111222.bendcable.com) |
| 03:22.54 | jbevren | it was set for the bootconfig |
| 03:23.51 | prpplague | hmm, can you restart the pixter? |
| 03:24.02 | prpplague | i'm curious if its getting changed |
| 03:24.16 | jbevren | hm |
| 03:24.18 | jbevren | reset or power cycle |
| 03:24.43 | prpplague | poer cycle |
| 03:25.17 | jbevren | FFFE5030: 00000000 (before power cycle) |
| 03:25.21 | jbevren | I set it to 0 |
| 03:25.25 | jbevren | now afte rpower cycle.. |
| 03:25.32 | jbevren | FFFE5030: 00005555 |
| 03:25.42 | prpplague | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=CPM10262 |
| 03:25.50 | prpplague | interesting |
| 03:26.03 | jbevren | 5 is 1010 |
| 03:26.08 | jbevren | which sets it for the boot config |
| 03:26.41 | jbevren | haha |
| 03:26.48 | jbevren | I ahve two keyboards and am constantly confusing them |
| 03:27.08 | prpplague | uh no, should 5 be 0101 ? |
| 03:27.20 | jbevren | oh |
| 03:27.21 | jbevren | youre right |
| 03:27.26 | jbevren | dislexia again hehe |
| 03:27.32 | prpplague | and that is for the address functions |
| 03:27.37 | jbevren | right |
| 03:27.44 | prpplague | so the boot loader is changing it |
| 03:28.22 | prpplague | jbevren: so if you put a cartridge, i wonder what the value will be |
| 03:28.33 | jbevren | hm |
| 03:28.46 | jbevren | hehe |
| 03:29.07 | jbevren | component side matches teh pixter? |
| 03:29.09 | jbevren | cant remember hehe |
| 03:29.35 | prpplague | me either, hehe |
| 03:29.40 | jbevren | oh |
| 03:29.44 | prpplague | should be able to match the pin 60 |
| 03:29.48 | jbevren | if I dont jump the calibrate button |
| 03:29.56 | jbevren | FFFE5030: 00000036 |
| 03:30.01 | jbevren | curious |
| 03:30.22 | jbevren | btw, the framebuffer address is different between calibrate and run |
| 03:30.25 | prpplague | 0xfffe6000 |
| 03:30.27 | jbevren | I learned that last time |
| 03:30.28 | prpplague | read that address |
| 03:30.42 | jbevren | FFFE6000: 00000056 |
| 03:30.43 | prpplague | you have the card in? |
| 03:30.54 | jbevren | not yet, running the firmware atm |
| 03:30.57 | jbevren | carding it |
| 03:31.06 | prpplague | 56? |
| 03:31.11 | prpplague | that seems odd |
| 03:31.34 | jbevren | btw |
| 03:31.37 | jbevren | component side is opposite :) |
| 03:31.53 | jbevren | same with fairy odd parents in |
| 03:32.17 | jbevren | FFFE5030: 00000036 |
| 03:32.25 | jbevren | oop |
| 03:32.27 | jbevren | FFFE6000: 00000056 |
| 03:32.45 | prpplague | ok its reading the same value but 0x56 doesn't sound right |
| 03:32.54 | prpplague | that should just be a 4-bit number |
| 03:33.38 | jbevren | waht's fffe76000? |
| 03:33.43 | jbevren | s/7// |
| 03:34.13 | prpplague | thats the boot configuration as it was read on boot |
| 03:34.54 | prpplague | that value should just be 0x0 thru 0xf |
| 03:35.38 | jbevren | gah |
| 03:35.41 | jbevren | you have to halt to read? |
| 03:36.02 | jbevren | fffe6000 is 0 |
| 03:36.13 | jbevren | 5030 is 5555 |
| 03:36.17 | prpplague | ahh ok that makes sense |
| 03:36.30 | prpplague | is that with or without that cart? |
| 03:36.37 | jbevren | I thought you could read while running |
| 03:36.43 | jbevren | without cart was the same |
| 03:37.05 | jbevren | same |
| 03:37.07 | prpplague | jbevren: can you disable the calibrate function? |
| 03:37.21 | jbevren | disable how |
| 03:37.28 | jbevren | you mean not have the button 'pressed'? |
| 03:37.35 | prpplague | you said you had it done with an aligator |
| 03:37.36 | prpplague | yea |
| 03:37.40 | jbevren | yeah, its not pressed atm |
| 03:37.47 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 03:37.49 | jbevren | :) |
| 03:38.01 | prpplague | so its booting directly from nor |
| 03:38.14 | jbevren | dunno if youve noticed |
| 03:38.20 | jbevren | the greeting screen is different with a cartrige installed |
| 03:38.48 | prpplague | yea |
| 03:39.21 | prpplague | ok so if i can configure that the pins for pc7:4 match those on the address bus, i should be able to over ride the boot config |
| 03:39.22 | jbevren | of course, thats only indicative of when the cartridge takes control |
| 03:39.23 | jbevren | shrug |
| 03:39.38 | jbevren | anyway |
| 03:39.43 | jbevren | I was going to attempt to toggle them |
| 03:41.09 | prpplague | jbevren: ok, or what i was gonna suggest is you pull pin 41 on the card edge high, and boot up the device |
| 03:41.18 | prpplague | jbevren: to see if it changes the boot config |
| 03:41.33 | jbevren | hm |
| 03:41.35 | prpplague | jbevren: but i can do that tomorrow myself if thats too scary |
| 03:41.36 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:41.40 | jbevren | do I have to count? (whine) |
| 03:41.42 | jbevren | hehe |
| 03:41.52 | prpplague | hehehe |
| 03:42.15 | prpplague | or pin 47 |
| 03:42.52 | jbevren | 47? |
| 03:42.59 | jbevren | that ok |
| 03:43.04 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:43.10 | jbevren | if I burn it up I'll just take you up on your previos offer to get me a pixter :) |
| 03:43.12 | prpplague | that should be close to the end |
| 03:43.19 | prpplague | jbevren: agreed |
| 03:44.05 | prpplague | smoke baby smoke |
| 03:44.29 | jbevren | hm |
| 03:44.33 | jbevren | taht must not be 47 |
| 03:44.34 | jbevren | lol |
| 03:44.36 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:44.40 | prpplague | you smoke it? |
| 03:44.44 | jbevren | grounding it generates a pattern on the lcd :) |
| 03:45.24 | prpplague | you have to have it pulled high on boot |
| 03:45.36 | prpplague | or are you just trying to identify the pin? |
| 03:45.53 | jbevren | high? |
| 03:46.13 | jbevren | that looks liek an address pin |
| 03:46.13 | prpplague | yea to change the value as it is normally low |
| 03:46.14 | jbevren | hehe |
| 03:46.18 | jbevren | the first try was a data pin :) |
| 03:46.25 | prpplague | jbevren: it is remember |
| 03:46.27 | jbevren | given its muxed with address |
| 03:46.33 | prpplague | jbevren: pc7/a23 |
| 03:46.37 | jbevren | oddly, it doesnt mess up the audio |
| 03:46.39 | jbevren | just the lcd |
| 03:46.43 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:46.43 | jbevren | so |
| 03:47.18 | jbevren | 470 ohms to vcc |
| 03:47.32 | jbevren | boots normally |
| 03:47.41 | prpplague | that shoudl reasonable |
| 03:47.50 | prpplague | sounds reasonable |
| 03:48.01 | jbevren | boot config reg still 0 |
| 03:48.10 | prpplague | interesting |
| 03:48.21 | jbevren | I'm assuming our findings on the spongebob cart's layout matches the pin1 line on the port |
| 03:48.24 | prpplague | oh well i'll look some more tomorrow when i get jtag working |
| 03:48.27 | jbevren | (the cart slot has a mark) |
| 03:48.49 | prpplague | yea, i re-did the chart |
| 03:49.05 | prpplague | i'll test tomorrow |
| 03:49.15 | jbevren | hm |
| 03:49.28 | jbevren | the other side of the port is a data bit judging by the lcd pattern |
| 03:49.40 | prpplague | i guess you could try toggling it with ocd and a multimeter |
| 03:49.46 | jbevren | hehe |
| 03:49.53 | jbevren | you interrupted my process to do that about 6 times |
| 03:49.55 | jbevren | :D |
| 03:50.13 | prpplague | hehe |
| 03:50.14 | prpplague | sorry |
| 03:50.20 | prpplague | eclectic work style |
| 03:52.42 | MonMotha | DC is usually pretty uninteresting on a scope |
| 03:52.47 | MonMotha | unless you enjoy looking at noise |
| 03:53.48 | prpplague | MonMotha: looking for a change |
| 03:53.55 | prpplague | MonMotha: trying to map out a gpio |
| 03:54.24 | jbevren | MonMotha: my mlutimeter is in the garage |
| 03:54.26 | jbevren | :) |
| 03:55.42 | MonMotha | I just revived a Mortal Kombat 2 board |
| 03:56.09 | prpplague | MonMotha: cool |
| 03:56.09 | MonMotha | dead output driver (which was nothing more than the output of an LS86) on the sync line |
| 03:56.21 | MonMotha | the video is VERY red, but IIRC that's just how MK2 looks |
| 03:56.23 | prpplague | MonMotha: fun fun |
| 03:56.58 | MonMotha | yup, it's even going in an MK2 cabinet |
| 03:57.00 | prpplague | jbevren: hey , page 91 in the pdf shows how to configure the pullups |
| 03:57.06 | MonMotha | so it'll be home again |
| 03:57.10 | jbevren | nod |
| 03:57.19 | jbevren | I'll disable the pullups |
| 03:57.22 | jbevren | cause portc in read shows 0 |
| 03:57.53 | prpplague | jbevren: its more than that |
| 03:58.05 | prpplague | jbevren: for the boot portion |
| 03:58.07 | prpplague | jbevren: i mean |
| 03:58.12 | jbevren | well |
| 03:58.14 | jbevren | my theory i8s |
| 03:58.18 | jbevren | ifI set portc to GPIO |
| 03:58.27 | jbevren | and passive (uinput mode, no resistors to tie up/down) |
| 03:58.34 | jbevren | I should be able tos ee teh config resistors |
| 03:58.42 | jbevren | right? |
| 03:58.54 | prpplague | jbevren: should be any |
| 03:58.58 | prpplague | shouldn't be any |
| 03:59.05 | jbevren | howso |
| 03:59.11 | prpplague | jbevren: if its reading 0x00 means there are none |
| 03:59.27 | jbevren | hm |
| 03:59.27 | jbevren | to check for absence |
| 03:59.33 | jbevren | set the pulldowns |
| 03:59.34 | jbevren | read for 0 |
| 03:59.36 | jbevren | set the pullups |
| 03:59.38 | jbevren | readh for 1 |
| 03:59.39 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.42 | prpplague | ?? |
| 03:59.45 | prpplague | you lost me |
| 03:59.47 | jbevren | ok |
| 03:59.53 | jbevren | if there are no resistors on the bootconfig lines |
| 04:00.06 | prpplague | right should not be any |
| 04:00.07 | jbevren | I can tug at the lines with the gpio port's pullup/down resistors |
| 04:00.17 | prpplague | right |
| 04:00.19 | jbevren | the liens should match what I set the pullups to |
| 04:00.25 | prpplague | yea |
| 04:00.27 | jbevren | if there are resistors, they wont match :) |
| 04:00.33 | prpplague | right |
| 04:00.40 | prpplague | but there can't be any for it to read 0x00 |
| 04:00.54 | jbevren | passive = 0 |
| 04:01.44 | jbevren | tie-up = 0 |
| 04:02.23 | jbevren | sorry |
| 04:02.25 | jbevren | tie-down =- 0 |
| 04:02.28 | jbevren | toe-up |
| 04:02.32 | jbevren | er tie-=up = FF |
| 04:02.35 | jbevren | no resistors |
| 04:02.51 | jbevren | now where to look on the baord hehe |
| 04:02.57 | jbevren | empty pads :) |
| 04:03.02 | prpplague | for what? |
| 04:03.12 | jbevren | for the boto config lines |
| 04:03.20 | jbevren | there arent resistors on them according to the portC readings |
| 04:03.28 | prpplague | jbevren: thats just it, look at the schematic in the pdf |
| 04:03.31 | jbevren | sao the pads if present would be unpopulated |
| 04:03.49 | jbevren | that pdf was wrong in at least one count hehe |
| 04:03.50 | prpplague | jbevren: remember they have to be used as address so they can't be always pulled up |
| 04:03.58 | prpplague | jbevren: agreed |
| 04:04.01 | jbevren | yeah, but i fyou pull via a resistor of high enough value |
| 04:04.09 | jbevren | the address bus drivers wont have a problem with it |
| 04:04.16 | prpplague | hmmm |
| 04:04.34 | jbevren | The apple2, I believe, used 3.3k resistors to terminate the expansion bus |
| 04:04.37 | prpplague | jbevren: so did you determine pin 47 is indeed PC7? |
| 04:04.42 | jbevren | nope |
| 04:04.44 | jbevren | not yet |
| 04:04.47 | prpplague | oh |
| 04:05.07 | prpplague | ok well, i'm heading to bed, getting sleeppppyyyy |
| 04:05.15 | jbevren | hehe |
| 04:05.16 | jbevren | it's nto |
| 04:05.16 | prpplague | jbevren: thanks for the debugging |
| 04:05.21 | jbevren | its set to port c:input |
| 04:05.24 | jbevren | and tied high |
| 04:05.28 | jbevren | and the line is active |
| 04:05.46 | prpplague | so its not pin 47? |
| 04:05.59 | jbevren | counting 1.3.5.7 etc to 47 on the one side or the other |
| 04:06.07 | jbevren | both stay active after Ive set C to GPIO:input(high) |
| 04:06.19 | jbevren | I could try counting backwards |
| 04:06.22 | prpplague | jbevren: why not go the other way? |
| 04:06.25 | jbevren | hehe |
| 04:06.29 | prpplague | jbevren: that would be easier |
| 04:06.30 | jbevren | great minds .. |
| 04:07.32 | prpplague | jbevren: should be the 7th pin from the other side |
| 04:09.26 | prpplague | well let me know what you find |
| 04:09.34 | prpplague | heading to bed, later d00d |
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| 04:27.59 | jbevren | bedtime for me too I guess |
| 04:28.00 | jbevren | heh |
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| 05:49.32 | jbevren | http://s169822486.onlinehome.us/wordpress/ |
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| 08:58.22 | [Leo_01] | hi |
| 09:00.19 | davidc__ | hi |
| 09:12.01 | [Leo_01] | Do you speak french? |
| 09:12.14 | davidc__ | [Leo_01]: non |
| 09:17.58 | [Leo_01] | hum |
| 09:21.21 | [Leo_01] | zut |
| 09:22.16 | [Leo_01] | buildroot with perl, is it possible? |
| 09:23.17 | T0mW | doing what with perl + buildroot? |
| 09:23.26 | T0mW | can you be more specific? |
| 09:26.13 | [Leo_01] | I would like to compile Perl (not microperl) in the cross-compil system of buildroot |
| 09:27.45 | T0mW | for what target? ARM ? |
| 09:28.27 | [Leo_01] | I found this mail : http://sources.redhat.com/ml/crossgcc/2004-10/msg00091.html where Carl Miller says that it impossible |
| 09:28.41 | [Leo_01] | for soekris net4501 |
| 09:31.21 | T0mW | well, for the most part, packages could compile inside the buildroot environ, but, it depends on a whole lot issues |
| 09:32.05 | T0mW | the biggest issue is that is only gcc required to build the package, or is there some other tools involved to do the build? e.g. flex, nasm, etc. |
| 09:32.32 | T0mW | you might want to look at debian or familiar ARM distros and see if they have a port of perl |
| 09:33.18 | T0mW | the email didn't say it was impossible to build perl, just very difficult. |
| 09:37.10 | [Leo_01] | okay |
| 09:38.54 | [Leo_01] | I will look at debian and similar |
| 09:39.55 | [Leo_01] | very difficult, wish me good luck ! |
| 09:39.58 | [Leo_01] | :-) |
| 09:41.32 | T0mW | I was running Woody on an SA1100 ARM system |
| 09:41.49 | T0mW | Woody == debian ARM release |
| 09:44.51 | [Leo_01] | ok |
| 09:45.29 | [Leo_01] | Thank you for your help |
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| 13:00.49 | jbevren | yawn |
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| 13:20.55 | jbevren | prpplague: I bombed out shortly after you :) |
| 13:21.18 | prpplague | jbevren: ?? |
| 13:21.27 | prpplague | jbevren: you blew up you board? |
| 13:21.35 | T0mW | heh |
| 13:21.36 | jbevren | nono |
| 13:21.41 | jbevren | got too tired and went to sleep |
| 13:21.47 | prpplague | oh |
| 13:23.17 | T0mW | GPSFan: ken! My old friend Ken! How are you today? |
| 13:23.22 | prpplague | jbevren: ok, so for debug much you can cut the trace between R23 and R22 |
| 13:23.24 | T0mW | hee hee |
| 13:23.46 | prpplague | jbevren: then run a small wire from r23 to the Vss side of C10 |
| 13:23.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:23.59 | jbevren | makes sense |
| 13:26.49 | prpplague | there are about a thousand other things i should be doing right now |
| 13:27.03 | jbevren | bah |
| 13:27.04 | jbevren | its a holiday |
| 13:27.08 | jbevren | there's nothing you should be doing :) |
| 13:27.12 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, making potatoe salad |
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| 13:59.17 | prpplague | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,201956,00.html |
| 13:59.19 | prpplague | lovely |
| 14:16.17 | chouimat|ibook | morning |
| 14:17.19 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: morning |
| 14:17.21 | prpplague | T0mW: hey |
| 14:17.26 | T0mW | YO! |
| 14:17.26 | prpplague | T0mW: you around? |
| 14:17.35 | prpplague | T0mW: Vss |
| 14:17.50 | T0mW | Very sexy s...... |
| 14:17.52 | prpplague | T0mW: i toned out a cap that appears to be connected to Vss |
| 14:18.06 | chouimat|ibook | prpplague: nothing like a good coffee, brownies and a naked woman walking in the backyard below to start a day |
| 14:18.07 | T0mW | you toned it out? |
| 14:18.08 | prpplague | T0mW: safe to connect to that cap for Vss |
| 14:18.14 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: hehe |
| 14:18.18 | prpplague | T0mW: ohm meter |
| 14:18.33 | T0mW | oh! you "buzzed" it out |
| 14:18.34 | T0mW | ok |
| 14:18.59 | T0mW | you think it is shorted or something? |
| 14:19.11 | prpplague | T0mW: no i suspect its a bypass cap |
| 14:19.21 | prpplague | T0mW: i just need someplace to solder to Vss |
| 14:19.21 | T0mW | ok |
| 14:19.49 | T0mW | chouimat|ibook: Yo! What was that? |
| 14:19.59 | chouimat|ibook | T0mW: hmmm? |
| 14:20.02 | prpplague | T0mW: think its safe? |
| 14:20.44 | T0mW | prpplague: well, I don't know what you are working on, but yes, you put caps across Vss + Vdd as bypass |
| 14:21.34 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, what i'm asking, is if i "buzzed" it out to Vss, it should be safe to use right? |
| 14:22.04 | prpplague | T0mW: if it reads 0 ohms, it should be connected to Vss right? |
| 14:22.48 | T0mW | what does it read in the reverse direction? |
| 14:23.03 | T0mW | you may be reading a diode |
| 14:23.29 | T0mW | I put diodes across Vss + Vdd to protect against reverse voltage |
| 14:23.46 | prpplague | .1 ohm |
| 14:23.54 | jbevren | bah. just use a bridge rectifier so polarity doesnt matter |
| 14:24.03 | T0mW | phffft |
| 14:24.14 | T0mW | prpplague: prolly got a short someplace |
| 14:24.34 | prpplague | T0mW: hehe, i guess you aren't understanding what i'm asking hehe |
| 14:24.40 | T0mW | prpplague: caps don't go bad that often, unless you physically mangle them |
| 14:24.53 | prpplague | T0mW: caps not bad, hehe |
| 14:25.09 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm just trying to verify that one end of the cap is connected to Vss |
| 14:25.21 | T0mW | ok... |
| 14:25.36 | T0mW | ... and the other side of the cap ? |
| 14:25.43 | prpplague | don't care |
| 14:25.58 | prpplague | just looking for a place to solder to Vss |
| 14:26.29 | T0mW | not all caps have one leg on Vss but most do |
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| 14:26.49 | prpplague | T0mW: right, so... |
| 14:27.06 | T0mW | prpplague: hey, you ever use "switch_root" ? |
| 14:27.08 | prpplague | T0mW: i get my ohm meter and check both sides, one side shows 0 ohms to Vss |
| 14:27.19 | prpplague | T0mW: sorry no |
| 14:27.41 | T0mW | prpplague: ok, then it is prolly the ground then |
| 14:27.44 | prpplague | T0mW: so what i'm asking is, if it shows 0 ohms to Vss, is it safe to assume its connected to Vss |
| 14:27.54 | T0mW | yeah |
| 14:28.00 | prpplague | ahh ok |
| 14:28.11 | T0mW | if measure < 1..2 ohms in both dirs, yes |
| 14:28.26 | prpplague | T0mW: both dirs are reading .1 ohms |
| 14:29.13 | T0mW | yup, it should work |
| 14:29.28 | prpplague | ok thanks |
| 14:29.33 | T0mW | prpplague: Dave, I never give a firm answer |
| 14:29.40 | prpplague | i suspect i'm doing too many hacks on the round |
| 14:29.43 | prpplague | T0mW: right |
| 14:29.46 | prpplague | T0mW: me either hehe |
| 14:30.16 | T0mW | prpplague: you are as close to a commited answer as you'll get from me. If you blow the board up, it wasn't me that told you to do "that" |
| 14:30.19 | T0mW | heheheeh |
| 14:31.35 | T0mW | prpplague: hey, I want to take that loader utility and make it part of buildroot. this is not part of the filesystem, but extra stuff |
| 14:32.22 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, you can add that as part of the packages, just for the install section, just put it in that location as the kernel and rootfs images |
| 14:32.30 | T0mW | prpplague: make it a package? like "packages/zipit-loader" |
| 14:32.35 | T0mW | ok |
| 14:32.49 | jbevren | putting apex or uboot on a zipit? |
| 14:32.55 | jbevren | hm uboot with fb console |
| 14:32.56 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:33.07 | T0mW | jbevren: neither, they have a decent loader now |
| 14:33.28 | jbevren | shrug |
| 14:33.33 | jbevren | I havent really touched mine lately |
| 14:34.31 | T0mW | jbevren: the 5 wire mod + loader works ok |
| 14:34.43 | prpplague | T0mW: yep |
| 14:35.00 | prpplague | jbevren: ok jtag debug wired |
| 14:35.11 | jbevren | yay |
| 14:35.26 | T0mW | prpplague: hey, you got a patched kernel source for the zipit |
| 14:35.27 | T0mW | ? |
| 14:35.30 | prpplague | jbevren: i cut between r23 and r22 and connected the end of r23 to the Vss side of c6 |
| 14:35.36 | prpplague | T0mW: sorry no |
| 14:38.10 | jbevren | why 56? |
| 14:38.15 | jbevren | 26 each end? |
| 14:38.17 | prpplague | 28 on each side |
| 14:38.26 | jbevren | er yeah 28 |
| 14:38.38 | jbevren | someone needs to invent an IDC stripper :) |
| 14:38.45 | jbevren | for stripping ribbon cables |
| 14:38.47 | jbevren | IDC's the wrong term |
| 14:38.59 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, just need to order one of those FFC cables |
| 14:39.19 | prpplague | this is gonna take all day |
| 14:39.20 | T0mW | jbevren: IIRC, we had a hot blade stripper for them |
| 14:39.53 | T0mW | it had a teflon pad and a hot serrated "blade" |
| 14:40.02 | T0mW | worked like pliers |
| 14:40.37 | prpplague | thats cool |
| 14:40.41 | prpplague | i need one of those |
| 14:40.43 | jbevren | T0mW: hm |
| 14:40.50 | prpplague | i iuse idc cable alot |
| 14:41.02 | T0mW | jbevren: that was before U/L required flameproof wire insulation (teflon) |
| 14:41.13 | jbevren | heat should still melt teflon |
| 14:41.22 | jbevren | that said though |
| 14:41.30 | jbevren | a notched blade with good alignment should do thet rick |
| 14:41.30 | prpplague | jbevren: not for that short period |
| 14:42.30 | FireEgl | T0mW: The kernel patches for the ZipIt are in http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zipitwireless/files/OpenZipit/Kernel/ |
| 14:42.52 | jbevren | I should rebuild my zipit kernel |
| 14:43.04 | jbevren | all the wavelan debug output has got to be slowing stuff down |
| 14:43.46 | FireEgl | I rebuilt the kernel for my ZipIt.. I even applied grsec and some other patches to it.. =) |
| 14:43.56 | prpplague | ahhh i love the smell of lead solder in the morning |
| 14:45.30 | prpplague | soon i'll see how long of a cable i can use with the pixter lcd hehe |
| 14:45.55 | FireEgl | T0mW: BTW, if/when you start working on the ZipIt specific stuff for the uclibc buildroot, I've got some stuff I can contribute there.. |
| 14:47.25 | prpplague | jbevren: you see T0mW's mod board? |
| 14:47.35 | T0mW | FireEgl: whatcha got? |
| 14:47.59 | T0mW | FireEgl: source for batlvl and such? |
| 14:48.20 | jbevren | I did |
| 14:48.23 | jbevren | pretty cool board |
| 14:48.38 | T0mW | jbevren: works good too |
| 14:49.21 | jbevren | oh, there's something I never got working.. audio on the zipit :) |
| 14:49.22 | T0mW | mini-SD card is flush with the case |
| 14:49.23 | jbevren | ah well |
| 14:49.47 | FireEgl | Actually, no.. I haven't made any ZipIt specific packages.. but I have tweaked the buildroot for the ZipIt.. I've got a whole /target/dev |
| 14:49.47 | FireEgl | ice/Aeronix/ZipIt |
| 14:49.52 | FireEgl | ack |
| 14:50.04 | T0mW | FireEgl: I'm working with buildroot now, I've a file system built for the ZipIt and debugging it now |
| 14:50.08 | FireEgl | target/device/Aeronix/ZipIt/ directory full of ZipIt specific stuff.. |
| 14:50.24 | T0mW | FireEgl: you got a patched kernel source? |
| 14:50.29 | FireEgl | Like, you'll want my device_table.txt file for sure.. |
| 14:50.51 | T0mW | FireEgl: anything you got is welcome |
| 14:51.28 | FireEgl | Dunno if you wanna use the kernel source I used on mine.. it's got lotsa junk in it.. =P |
| 14:52.01 | T0mW | FireEgl: anything is better than what I got, I got it compile but wouldn't boot |
| 14:52.14 | FireEgl | Just get the 2.4.21-rmk1 source, and apply the patches from http://groups.yahoo.com/group/zipitwireless/files/OpenZipit/Kernel/ to it. |
| 14:52.40 | T0mW | FireEgl: the patch km7 patch fails to compile cleanly |
| 14:53.02 | FireEgl | hrm |
| 14:54.31 | FireEgl | I haven't worked on it in like 4 months now.. I've forgot nearly everthing I did to make it work on mine.. =/ |
| 14:55.18 | T0mW | FireEgl: the ZIPIT_DANGER_PHYSMAP stuff in drivers/mtd/maps/physmap.c fsck up |
| 14:55.38 | T0mW | Otherwise it compiles clean on 3.4.2 |
| 14:55.50 | T0mW | Otherwise it compiles clean on gcc-3.4.2 |
| 14:56.11 | T0mW | that is the mtd stuff in there |
| 14:56.11 | FireEgl | You definately wanna compile it with gcc 3.3.6.. I never got it to compile with 3.4.x.. |
| 14:56.29 | T0mW | FireEgl: what, it failed on the "short-load-bytes" |
| 14:56.33 | T0mW | ? |
| 14:56.57 | FireEgl | I don't remember where it failed.. |
| 14:58.24 | T0mW | well, 2.4 kernel source will compile on gcc-3.4.2, I only hit that "short-load-bytes" error, fixed that, then hit the "RESCUE_MASK" undefined |
| 14:58.47 | T0mW | tried to fix the RESCUE_MASK, but I've no clue what is going on in there |
| 14:59.55 | T0mW | FireEgl: I'll try it again, once I work in the ramdisk stuff some more |
| 15:00.33 | GPSFan | T0mW: morning tom, how's trix? |
| 15:02.07 | FireEgl | You can have a .diff of my 2.4.21-rmk1-zipit-km7 source if you want.. |
| 15:02.21 | T0mW | GPSFan: not bad |
| 15:02.48 | T0mW | GPSFan: tuning up a buildroot file system for the ZipIt |
| 15:03.53 | T0mW | GPSFan: minor problems: mmc stalls the boot if inserted, ctrl-alt-<keys> & ctrl-shift-<keys> not yet working |
| 15:04.14 | T0mW | alt-<keys> are ok |
| 15:04.46 | GPSFan | T0mW: cool, it's something I always wanted to do, but never had the time.. I had a problem downloading your new ZPM tarball yesterday, it would complete anywhere from 1k to 1.4M and then just hang. Tried wget and it did the same. I was able to wget other things, so I don't think it was on my end.. |
| 15:04.54 | T0mW | GPSFan: you have the source for the batlvl, lid, etc? |
| 15:05.18 | T0mW | GPSFan: I'll email it |
| 15:05.21 | GPSFan | I think that's Adams code, I have it somewhere.. |
| 15:05.26 | T0mW | ~gpsfan |
| 15:05.28 | purl | hmm... gpsfan is kenm@paonia.com |
| 15:05.42 | T0mW | that mailto ok? |
| 15:05.44 | GPSFan | tnx.. |
| 15:06.33 | T0mW | GPSFan: I'll fold that ZPM stuff into buildroot as well |
| 15:06.56 | GPSFan | tht's good. I don't need it atm.. |
| 15:07.03 | prpplague | jbevren: connectors off and all the pads are good, connector went to hell on me though :( |
| 15:07.08 | prpplague | so much for putting it back |
| 15:10.53 | jbevren | heh |
| 15:11.52 | prpplague | 28 down 28 to go |
| 15:12.04 | T0mW | GPSFan: does Adam have a url for his zipit stuff? |
| 15:12.37 | T0mW | GPSFan: OH! |
| 15:12.53 | T0mW | GPSFan: your km7 patch won't compile clean |
| 15:13.11 | GPSFan | T0mW: it does for me what gcc? |
| 15:13.38 | GPSFan | btw always had warnings, but no errors. |
| 15:13.40 | T0mW | the ZIPIT_DANGER_PHYSMAP stuff in drivers/mtd/maps/physmap.c mess up with an undefined RESCUE_MASK |
| 15:14.06 | T0mW | ZIPIT_DANGER_PHYSMAP is not defined anywhere |
| 15:14.28 | jbevren | T0mW: rescue_mask is a mask defining which part of the flash is reh rescue partition isnt it? |
| 15:14.37 | T0mW | dunno |
| 15:14.39 | jbevren | it'll be in the mtd partition stuff I think |
| 15:14.44 | T0mW | yes |
| 15:14.50 | FireEgl | Actually, I remember now.. I never got that physmap module to compile.. I just used the one somebody else compiled. |
| 15:15.25 | jbevren | the flash map is documented (I remember looking at it), just create your own mtd partition layout and grab a vanilla mtdpart tree :) |
| 15:15.56 | jbevren | it's not hard.. I cant code and I made a mtdpart for the artis ppc board |
| 15:16.09 | jbevren | :D |
| 15:16.51 | T0mW | I didn't look too closely at it, just had some other problems with buildroot and decided to move onto making the filesystem stuff |
| 15:17.06 | T0mW | I'll try it again when I get a console working |
| 15:17.28 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:17.40 | T0mW | GPSFan: you had a zimage.dat & ramdisk.gz that output via the ttyAM, right? |
| 15:18.02 | T0mW | GPSFan: if you do, give me that url again |
| 15:18.31 | T0mW | I want the zimage.dat |
| 15:19.01 | T0mW | GPSFan: or, is that the one up on yahoo? |
| 15:21.04 | T0mW | FireEgl: is that a full combo patch? all patches in one? |
| 15:24.53 | FireEgl | It's a diff between 2.4.21-rmk1-zipit-km7 and the stuff I added. |
| 15:25.44 | FireEgl | It won't fix your problem with compiling the mtd physmap thingie though.. |
| 15:30.02 | prpplague | jbevren: done |
| 15:30.17 | prpplague | jbevren: not to solder all 56 connections together |
| 15:31.16 | jbevren | enjoy! |
| 15:32.06 | GPSFan | T0mW: I'm looking at the Danger_PHYSMAP, it looks like it was added to patch km6 in Oct 2005. it came from Adams ---km4-agt patch. I don't remember whether he posted that to the Yahoo site or not. |
| 15:39.33 | prpplague | GPSFan: when does your pixters arrive? hehe hint hint hint |
| 15:40.19 | GPSFan | prpplague: about 6 months from now ;>) |
| 15:40.36 | prpplague | hehe, funny thats how long it took mine to get here, hehe |
| 15:42.01 | prpplague | dijenerate: ping |
| 15:49.35 | GPSFan | T0mW: the zimage.dat was generated from patch km4 from April 2005. it doesn't have the mtd drivers in it. |
| 15:49.59 | GPSFan | T0mW: the zimage.dat that's on Yahoo that is.. |
| 15:50.33 | prpplague | crap my desk is a mess |
| 15:51.06 | T0mW | GPSFan: I can just disable the mtd for now in the kernel then? |
| 15:51.15 | T0mW | kernel config |
| 15:55.01 | prpplague | you know its funny, i grew up during the cold war and don't ever recall being even slightly worried about nuclear war, but with this north korean crap and iran stuff, makes me pretty worried |
| 15:55.13 | GPSFan | T0mW: just read the scrollback, I think your problem is gcc 3.4.x. my mtd drivers compiled ok with gcc-3.3.3 and the missing defination for Zipit-Danger-Physmap. I never got the kernel properly compiling on anything beyond 3.3.3. |
| 15:55.45 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea 3.4.x gcc is buggy |
| 15:55.47 | prpplague | for arm |
| 15:57.24 | GPSFan | T0mW: that's not to say tha the physmap issue doesn't need fixing.. |
| 15:58.00 | prpplague | what kernel are you guys using? |
| 16:01.52 | T0mW | 2.4.21 |
| 16:02.15 | GPSFan | prpplague: for what project? Zipit is 2.4.21, DHT 2.4.31 & 2.6.16, ADS GC+ is 2.4.27, A3K is 2.4.31, Tuxscreen is 2.4.I forgot how long it's been... |
| 16:03.57 | T0mW | huh, it compiles ok on 3.4.2 |
| 16:04.04 | GPSFan | and Webpal is 2.4.18 |
| 16:05.00 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea i meant zipit |
| 16:05.19 | prpplague | why hasn't the zipit moved to 2.6? |
| 16:05.25 | T0mW | GPSFan: just use the arch/arm/boot/zImage and rename it to zimage.dat? |
| 16:05.30 | T0mW | no objcopy ? |
| 16:07.42 | GPSFan | T0mW: IIRC it's just renamed zImage |
| 16:08.01 | T0mW | ok, here goes nothin' |
| 16:08.17 | T0mW | heh, "hold my beer and watch this...! |
| 16:10.18 | GPSFan | T0mW: I always loaded my kernel in ram first to test if it worked befor flashing. |
| 16:11.20 | prpplague | jbevren: 6 to go |
| 16:12.04 | prpplague | T0mW: you're disgusting, you'd actually let someone else touch your beer? |
| 16:12.33 | jbevren | prp :) |
| 16:12.35 | T0mW | prpplague: well, I don't drink so I wouldn't know any better. |
| 16:12.50 | jbevren | It comes in PINTS? |
| 16:12.51 | dijenerate | prpplague: pong |
| 16:13.20 | T0mW | ah, EP72xx_ROM_BOOT is turned on |
| 16:13.24 | prpplague | dijenerate: man, i'm going nuts trying to find some electronic components |
| 16:13.44 | prpplague | dijenerate: you know anyone that carries really basic stuff, like 1/4 watt thru hole resistors? |
| 16:13.52 | dijenerate | prpplague: on this island, that happens |
| 16:14.00 | jbevren | prpplague: bgmicro |
| 16:14.06 | jbevren | thats where I got my assortment |
| 16:14.10 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.12 | dijenerate | prpplague: have you tried Parts Unlimited? |
| 16:14.46 | prpplague | dijenerate: parden my french, but i'd like to go down to parts unlimited and kick that bitch's ass that answers the phone there |
| 16:14.57 | jbevren | http://bgmicro.com/prodinfo.asp?prodid=RES1363 |
| 16:15.31 | prpplague | dijenerate: if you are gonna sell electronic parts, the lest you could do is have someone who knows solder from shit |
| 16:15.52 | dijenerate | prpplague: that is common here in every field |
| 16:16.32 | jbevren | on that line, I'd like to note that digikey are very good for that |
| 16:16.34 | dijenerate | prpplague: ever tried going to a computer store in Bridgetown and asking for something they don't have on the shelf? |
| 16:16.53 | prpplague | dijenerate: yea, or "online computers" |
| 16:16.54 | jbevren | I called about my weller station before getting it, and they hooked me up with a tech that explained in detail how it works and what comes with it (He got a box from the warehouse and opened it for me) |
| 16:16.55 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:17.00 | prpplague | dijenerate: its like they have no clue |
| 16:17.20 | prpplague | jbevren: that is seriously not likely to happen here |
| 16:17.46 | dijenerate | prpplague: not 'like' they have no clue, they really do have no clue |
| 16:18.06 | dijenerate | prpplague: they're only expert on hair product and fashion |
| 16:18.09 | dijenerate | prpplague: lol |
| 16:18.11 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:19.13 | prpplague | dijenerate: i asked if they carried any of the 7400 series chips, she asked "are those small and black?" |
| 16:19.58 | prpplague | suddenly i felt like i was in a radio shack, hehe |
| 16:20.35 | T0mW | "Radio Shack, you have questions, we have stupid looks on our faces" |
| 16:21.07 | dijenerate | prpplague: at least in Radio shack you can get something other than a headache and still have money in your pocket |
| 16:21.25 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:21.34 | dijenerate | prpplague: be grateful for Radio Shack |
| 16:21.58 | T0mW | radio shack has pretty much done away with all their parts |
| 16:22.23 | dijenerate | prpplague: you'll probably have to go there and make friendly with a manager or something so when you call you ask for him or her by name\ |
| 16:22.51 | dijenerate | prpplague: also try Linda's Disco and Mike's Electronics |
| 16:22.58 | prpplague | yea, problem is i get frustrated with them too easy |
| 16:22.59 | dijenerate | prpplague: same rules apply |
| 16:23.20 | dijenerate | prpplague: anyone who knows what they are doing would dude |
| 16:23.37 | dijenerate | prpplague: welcome to life in the islands |
| 16:24.26 | prpplague | ok i'll try those guys |
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| 16:43.10 | prpplague | jbevren: argh next to last wire melted on me |
| 16:49.03 | jbevren | doh |
| 16:49.03 | jbevren | I told you not to set your iron to 1800c |
| 16:49.03 | jbevren | hehe j/k |
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| 17:04.43 | prpplague | ok lcd connected |
| 17:08.53 | prpplague | mbuf: hey hey |
| 17:09.07 | mbuf | prpplague, hi man, how are you ? |
| 17:09.39 | prpplague | good |
| 17:10.23 | mbuf | prpplague, we got the gadget driver project from Faraday, TW |
| 17:12.31 | mbuf | prpplague, but i have no intention of participating in it, hate USB |
| 17:13.01 | prpplague | hehe me too |
| 17:21.03 | prpplague | damm had too much coffee , my hands are starting to shake when i soldering |
| 17:24.09 | prpplague | hmm does lead poisoning cause your hair to fall out? |
| 17:38.23 | jbevren | no, it just makes you stupid |
| 17:38.25 | jbevren | seriously, it does |
| 17:38.37 | jbevren | age makes your hair fall out :) |
| 17:48.01 | prpplague | hmm, mine fell out when i was 20 |
| 17:51.04 | jbevren | nod |
| 17:51.07 | jbevren | mine started at around 25 |
| 17:51.15 | jbevren | it'll be gone before I'm 50 I bet |
| 17:51.16 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:55.09 | prpplague | wheeeee |
| 17:55.12 | prpplague | smoke test passed |
| 17:55.22 | prpplague | franken pixter is alllllive |
| 18:14.45 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:14.47 | jbevren | pictures! |
| 18:16.46 | prpplague | soon |
| 18:16.58 | prpplague | testing now |
| 18:21.19 | prpplague | hmm |
| 18:21.23 | prpplague | my jtag isn't working |
| 18:21.56 | davidc__ | got your pullups? |
| 18:22.03 | davidc__ | franken pixter? |
| 18:23.28 | prpplague | ahh hell forgot to connect ground and 3.3v on the jtag header |
| 18:23.51 | davidc__ | jumper time ;) |
| 18:25.43 | prpplague | davidc__: mutilated pixter made into a dev board |
| 18:37.43 | prpplague | must have something misconnected |
| 18:44.14 | prpplague | hmm all the jtag pins look good |
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| 19:07.46 | prpplague | jbevren: ping |
| 19:09.18 | jbevren | pong |
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| 19:10.57 | jbevren | it's what I used to build my rig |
| 19:11.32 | prpplague | hmm |
| 19:11.36 | prpplague | wonder what i missed |
| 19:11.47 | prpplague | getting all F's back |
| 19:12.01 | jbevren | all f's? |
| 19:12.07 | jbevren | is your buffer disconnected or something? |
| 19:13.29 | prpplague | no, double check with another board, works fine |
| 19:14.11 | jbevren | hm |
| 19:14.25 | jbevren | The wiki page has the coordinates and their labels on it |
| 19:14.30 | jbevren | you could double-check against the datasheet |
| 19:15.43 | prpplague | yea the user manual doesn't have the pin outs looking now |
| 19:16.18 | prpplague | should be in the datasheet |
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| 19:19.18 | jbevren | scope the lines too just to see if anything's coming back |
| 19:21.00 | prpplague | jbevren: yea don't have my scope handy |
| 19:21.16 | prpplague | jbevren: did you mention something about disconnection nTRST? |
| 19:23.53 | prpplague | hmm most perplexing |
| 19:24.45 | prpplague | jbevren: test1 via 47 ohm resistor to ground right? |
| 19:31.39 | prpplague | jbevren: you do know that you get a test app when you power on the device while holding down the reset button, right? |
| 19:45.53 | prpplague | hmm appears the nTRST is working |
| 19:45.56 | prpplague | but nothing else |
| 19:55.54 | prpplague | jbevren: progress had a bad connection |
| 19:56.02 | prpplague | jbevren: watch cpu id code do you get? |
| 20:11.37 | prpplague | working now |
| 20:14.50 | prpplague | interesting jtag-tools works with it but not jtager |
| 20:15.50 | prpplague | i'm wondering if i'm still not in debug mode |
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| 20:19.07 | jbevren | erm |
| 20:19.08 | jbevren | one sec |
| 20:19.14 | prpplague | heh np |
| 20:19.53 | jbevren | h-jtag reports arm7 0x0f0f0f0f |
| 20:20.05 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:20.08 | prpplague | thats incorrect |
| 20:20.19 | jbevren | doesnt surprise me |
| 20:20.27 | jbevren | I have yet to figure out what exactly H-jtag is useful for :) |
| 20:20.46 | prpplague | never even heard of H-jtag |
| 20:20.54 | prpplague | winblows app? |
| 20:21.11 | jbevren | yep |
| 20:21.18 | jbevren | supposed to be another arm7 debug util |
| 20:22.04 | prpplague | ahh |
| 20:22.06 | prpplague | explains |
| 20:22.45 | prpplague | interesting |
| 20:23.11 | prpplague | when in ice mode the idcode respondes as 0x0f0f0f0f |
| 20:23.26 | prpplague | when i normal mode it responds with the sharp code |
| 20:23.45 | prpplague | interesting |
| 20:24.41 | jbevren | so jtag's up? |
| 20:25.34 | prpplague | jbevren: sorta, i'm getting data, but its not consistant |
| 20:26.04 | prpplague | jbevren: i can't figure out why i get 0x0f0f0f0f when i have test1 pulled down, and i get the sharp idcode when pulled up |
| 20:29.56 | prpplague | ok boundry scan works properly in normal mode, but appears to be disable when in ICE mode |
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| 20:31.36 | prpplague | jbevren: the lcd and touch screen extention work grest |
| 20:31.38 | prpplague | great |
| 20:35.29 | prpplague | jbevren: your ocd software, what idcode does it show for the pixter? |
| 20:35.47 | jbevren | do you know the command by chance? |
| 20:35.53 | jbevren | oh hey |
| 20:35.58 | jbevren | look at that, its in the subject |
| 20:36.01 | jbevren | :) |
| 20:36.16 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:36.36 | jbevren | wrong channel heh |
| 20:36.38 | jbevren | ok sec |
| 20:40.49 | prpplague | ha |
| 20:41.00 | prpplague | 0x0f0f0f0f is correct for the multi-ice mode |
| 20:41.08 | prpplague | just found a bdi2000 doc for the core |
| 20:42.32 | prpplague | interesting |
| 20:42.54 | prpplague | jtager appears to have this impropery marked as a samsung processor |
| 20:45.29 | prpplague | ahh yes, the 0x0f0f0f0f is the id code for the arm720t processor |
| 20:47.09 | jbevren | cool |
| 20:48.05 | prpplague | interesting i think jtager has got the manufactuer code wrong |
| 20:48.18 | prpplague | jbevren: does your ocd app have any way to get info on the chip? |
| 20:49.07 | jbevren | I was looking that up and then management called for a mini meeting on IM |
| 20:49.07 | jbevren | hehe |
| 20:49.15 | jbevren | anyone know the OCD command? |
| 20:50.19 | prpplague | sorry not me, there should be an info icon or pull down menu to call for the idcode and info |
| 20:51.46 | prpplague | never mind |
| 20:51.52 | prpplague | found what i needed |
| 20:52.03 | prpplague | 0x787 is ALWAYS the same for these |
| 20:52.08 | prpplague | its for ARM ltd |
| 20:53.09 | prpplague | looks like the data is correct |
| 20:53.14 | prpplague | just mislabel |
| 20:54.00 | chouimat|ibook | http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=476 |
| 20:55.06 | prpplague | jbevren: ha it appears all the code is running in thumb mode |
| 20:56.49 | prpplague | ok got enough data for today |
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| 23:31.25 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
| 23:42.55 | prpplague | jbevren: i've started thinking that uclinux might be where we want to go with the pixter |
| 23:43.19 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm not sure i can eek out enough ram to do a gui with linux |
