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| 00:45.22 | GPSFan | T0mW: hey, it all built. I had to install bison & flex, but that was no big deal. nice work... |
| 00:47.48 | GPSFan | T0mW: the zimage.dat is a little on the large size, my most recent is 560k this on is 612k. |
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| 01:44.01 | T0mW | GPSFan: good, glad it built okay for you. Yeah, I didn't try to strip the busybox down or the other packages. I figure that the SD card would take up the need for additional storage and all those utils could be usefull. |
| 01:44.45 | T0mW | GPSFan: I have some client work to finish tonight, then I'll get back and finish the Zipit builder. |
| 02:14.20 | GPSFan | T0mW: it's not the userland I'm concerned about, but the kernel. there was a real space problem when I did the original work, and almost tried to do LZMA compression on the kernel to get it to fit. That said, this is a real step forward in being to duplicate the whole mess form a small "buildroot" tarball. |
| 02:15.25 | GPSFan | T0mW: I'll have a look at the .config files if I have a bit of time tomorrow. that could be the difference. |
| 02:33.19 | T0mW | GPSFan: yeah, I increased the area in Flash for the kernel while doing the dev work. I wasn't sure just how much extra I would need. Now we can cut that back and recover 10..20K |
| 02:37.28 | T0mW | GPSFan: oh, the kernel has the ext3 filesystem in it. For a portable device, I believe only in using journaled file systems. That is why it is bigger. |
| 02:38.18 | flyback | i found another toy to hack |
| 02:38.24 | flyback | but since I am not allowed to paste url |
| 02:38.29 | flyback | get stuffed prpplague |
| 02:38.30 | flyback | MHAHAHAHA |
| 02:38.44 | GPSFan | T0mW: ah, I hadn't gotten around to looking at the .configs yet.. noticed loader.bin as also bigger too. |
| 02:39.34 | T0mW | GPSFan: Yeah, I cleaned up the loader.bin sources a bit. :-) |
| 02:41.09 | T0mW | GPSFan: I want to get the powerd working before we release this |
| 03:00.40 | GPSFan | T0mW: I've been using the version of loader.bin which doesn't put out anything on the serial ports, it hoses up my datalogger. |
| 03:02.07 | T0mW | GPSFan: I was thinking of making that a #define at the top of the file, then #ifdef around the hardware byte spitter |
| 03:03.40 | GPSFan | T0mW: my version of loader.a has an somesuch around the spitter. |
| 03:05.42 | T0mW | GPSFan: could make that a config option under the ZipIt board selection: mute bootloader messages. |
| 03:05.59 | T0mW | then when loader.bin is built, it enables / disable boot messages |
| 03:06.07 | T0mW | for itself, not linux, |
| 03:18.01 | GPSFan | T0mW: well Scot had patched the original kernel to dump stuff out uart2 IIRC so we could see what was going on. My kernel doesn't put out anything on the serial port either, same reason, it hoses my datalogger. |
| 03:18.56 | T0mW | GPSFan: I figure for a default install, the serial console terminal is a good default? |
| 03:19.27 | T0mW | GPSFan: lets people get in on a real keyboard an look around their ZipIt filesystem to see what they want to change? |
| 03:19.59 | GPSFan | T0mW: Sure, for most people thats fine, but for those wanting to use the zipit in an unattended mode talking to some serial device, it's nice to turn off the chatter. |
| 03:20.29 | T0mW | maybe put something in the README.zipit to tell them how to mute the serial port totally: BR2_<option> + Serial Console |
| 03:21.25 | T0mW | GPSFan: something that annoys the crap out of me regarding buildroot is that when you do a 'make clean' it blows away the toolchain! |
| 03:21.44 | T0mW | GPSFan: then you have to wait and wait until it rebuilds gcc, bintools and uclibc |
| 03:22.05 | GPSFan | T0mW: I just tested your 5-wire program, it runs & loads the zpm.bin and talks to it just fine. I still use the ram based loader but it requires the config change in the rkernel, and isn't for public consumption. |
| 03:22.31 | T0mW | that system there only 'make clean's the toolchain + linux subdir is kept |
| 03:23.00 | T0mW | that systems' 'make clean' leaves the toolchain + linux subdir |
| 03:23.17 | T0mW | GPSFan: i have a habit of typing 'make clean' |
| 03:23.43 | GPSFan | T0mW: yeah that sucks, that's sort of why I never bothered to combine everything into buildroot. my kernel was seperate and once the toolchain & uclibc were built & working I hardly ever used the toplevel make in buildroot again. |
| 03:24.25 | T0mW | GPSFan: although it would be nice to fold this into buildroot, buildroot makes too many assumptions about how you should work. |
| 03:25.03 | T0mW | heh, buildroot 'make allclean' or 'make distclean' won't perform a pristine clean |
| 03:25.30 | GPSFan | T0mW: maybe it should be renamed builddonttypemakecleanroot ;>) |
| 03:25.50 | T0mW | naw, 'make really-clean-really-really' |
| 03:26.31 | GPSFan | T0mW: but you know with all our complaints I still like buildroot vs the alternates. |
| 03:26.53 | T0mW | anyway, I gave the buildroot-zipit out to a few people today, hopefully they can thump it a bit while I do some other stuff. |
| 03:27.12 | T0mW | GPSFan: we could just release this version and move on for now? |
| 03:29.29 | GPSFan | let me poke at it for a day or two, (got so much to do in the next 2 weeks (4 weeks)I don't know when I'll find the time) I want to rebuild the kernel as close as possible to my last and see the size differences. |
| 03:31.23 | GPSFan | T0mW: you thinking of putting the whole shebang under svn maybe? |
| 03:33.57 | GPSFan | T0mW: night.. gotta get some zzzz... |
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| 13:09.01 | gandhijee | i am not very familiar with driver development, but i am jumping in |
| 13:09.07 | gandhijee | and i have a question |
| 13:09.31 | gandhijee | on the IXP based machines, does one need to use a GPIO line for an interupt for a device on the PCI bus? |
| 13:10.44 | prpplague | gandhijee: not very many people here use the IXP |
| 13:10.59 | prpplague | gandhijee: intel isn't as friendly as they used to be for smaller developers |
| 13:12.20 | gandhijee | O |
| 13:12.29 | gandhijee | fair enough |
| 13:13.29 | chouimat | morninfg |
| 13:14.55 | prpplague | ugh, i'm so lost without the elinux.org wiki working |
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| 13:54.12 | prpplague | ugh i'm so sick of having elinux.org on sf.net |
| 13:57.32 | prpplague | elinux wiki is still fscked |
| 13:58.04 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
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| 14:14.12 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: hey |
| 14:18.01 | prpplague | jbevren: the i2s on the lh79524 is multiplexed with the SPI interface |
| 14:18.20 | prpplague | jbevren: i guess they are using a bitbanged spi interface to control the dac |
| 14:18.32 | prpplague | jbevren: looks like we could place mp3's on this |
| 14:20.18 | prpplague | jbevren: i really need to de populate one of my pixters |
| 14:25.34 | prpplague | seems silly for sharp to have put i2s and ssp on the same lines, when just about every DAC out there needs SPI and I2S at the same time |
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| 15:08.00 | flyback- | oh I found a possible nice device to hack |
| 15:08.08 | flyback- | with a tft ntsc interface |
| 15:08.20 | flyback- | but oh my bad I can't paste any yrls |
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| 16:08.16 | prpplague | T0mW: hmm, my tsop proto boards have arrived in the states |
| 16:08.20 | prpplague | T0mW: now to get them here |
| 16:54.29 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:56.32 | prpplague | T0mW: should be here on the island by monday, then we'll see how long it takes to clear customs |
| 16:56.49 | prpplague | T0mW: i can do sdram on those proto boards as well |
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| 17:27.36 | chouimat|ibook | "Before insulting a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, he's a mile away and without shoes." --unknown |
| 17:47.44 | T0mW | Whoever wrote the Makefile system for openWRT certainly knows make |
| 17:48.06 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:48.25 | chouimat|ibook | T0mW: buildroot or buildroot-ng? |
| 17:48.32 | prpplague | i don't think i'm gonna be able to do much more with the pixter untill i depopulate a board :( |
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| 17:52.11 | prpplague | T0mW: you think a good clothes iron would take a small bga package off? |
| 17:52.49 | prpplague | T0mW: or would you just take all the plastic off and shove it in the over |
| 17:52.57 | T0mW | not enough heat |
| 17:53.36 | T0mW | oven would take too long |
| 17:53.48 | prpplague | T0mW: take too long? |
| 17:53.54 | prpplague | T0mW: what do you suggest? |
| 17:54.02 | T0mW | toaster oven |
| 17:54.09 | T0mW | smaller, heats up quicker |
| 17:54.10 | prpplague | hmm, don't have one |
| 17:54.45 | prpplague | the bga package is the only one i can't desolder |
| 17:58.34 | T0mW | prpplague: try the oven then, run turn it up to 500 degrees, get it hot, then put the board in on the upper rack for 4..5 minutes. |
| 17:59.12 | T0mW | prpplague: then test it occasionally by nudging the bga with a screwdriver to see if the solder has melted. |
| 17:59.36 | T0mW | prpplague: put the board in a hot oven, don't heat the oven up with the board in it. |
| 17:59.56 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:00.02 | T0mW | prpplague: the fiberglass will delaminate / pcb trace adhesive will break down with heat |
| 18:00.07 | prpplague | just hate to loose one my boards |
| 18:01.04 | T0mW | prpplague: yeah, I know, I broke the glass on the one of the ZipIt LCDs while trying to add the backlight (first time go-around). |
| 18:01.30 | T0mW | prpplague: I then stripped the parts off that board via toaster oven to get a bare board to buzz out. |
| 18:02.08 | prpplague | T0mW: just not sure about trying this unless i know i can get it off clean |
| 18:02.29 | T0mW | prpplague: any other parts on the board? |
| 18:02.45 | T0mW | prpplague: any other parts on that board? |
| 18:02.53 | prpplague | T0mW: i'd remove everything except the bga |
| 18:03.04 | prpplague | T0mW: and the CoB's |
| 18:03.35 | prpplague | http://www.jbevren.net/pixter/pixterboard-overhead.jpg |
| 18:04.07 | T0mW | seen that |
| 18:04.40 | prpplague | T0mW: thats the board |
| 18:05.07 | davidc__ | T0mW: er.. I usually thermal cycle the board - rather than throw it directly in the oven |
| 18:05.08 | prpplague | T0mW: i figured i'd take all the parts off, document that part values |
| 18:05.16 | davidc__ | T0mW: you just need to get the heat right |
| 18:05.45 | davidc__ | I usually only run it up to 410 or so |
| 18:05.59 | T0mW | nice of them to label the serial port |
| 18:06.04 | prpplague | yea |
| 18:08.02 | flyback | prpplague |
| 18:08.14 | flyback | did you see the arm chip with basic mounted on a dip package |
| 18:08.17 | flyback | OH MY BAD |
| 18:08.20 | flyback | I CAN'T POST URLS |
| 18:08.22 | flyback | whata shame |
| 18:09.18 | prpplague | flyback: yea i already seen that |
| 18:09.33 | flyback | too damn expensive but cool it was dip |
| 18:09.33 | prpplague | flyback: mine is better as it runs full linux and is an arm9, hehe |
| 18:09.39 | flyback | nice |
| 18:10.48 | flyback | oh did you get one of those goofy looking disney things |
| 18:11.04 | prpplague | still in customs |
| 18:11.16 | flyback | oh but you did order one :) |
| 18:11.23 | prpplague | i always order 3 |
| 18:11.31 | flyback | damn |
| 18:11.45 | flyback | yeah worse comes to worse you can hand it to your kid if you can't hack it |
| 18:12.02 | prpplague | T0mW: argh, i can't bring myself to do it |
| 18:12.09 | prpplague | :( |
| 18:13.22 | prpplague | T0mW: whats the best way to get the values of those smd caps? |
| 18:13.34 | T0mW | prpplague: prayer |
| 18:13.47 | prpplague | tabetin? |
| 18:14.27 | prpplague | crap crap crap, i really need to get into elinux.org and the ssh is down |
| 18:15.05 | prpplague | T0mW: i'm just worried that i'll ruin the bga pads so i won't get any good results |
| 18:17.15 | prpplague | hagis is in the fire now |
| 18:18.03 | flyback | prpplague |
| 18:18.21 | flyback | know of a cheap way to attach wires to a plastic plate with contacts on it without melting it |
| 18:18.37 | flyback | I have a palm digitizer plate with a ripped off copper flex cable |
| 18:18.45 | prpplague | ok |
| 18:19.13 | flyback | someoen said conductive expoxy but that's $$$ |
| 18:19.19 | flyback | might as well just buy a screen |
| 18:19.32 | prpplague | ok |
| 18:19.43 | flyback | . |
| 18:24.23 | prpplague | flyback: was there something else? |
| 18:27.17 | flyback | no |
| 18:35.16 | davidc__ | flyback: you can also get these conductive ink pens |
| 18:35.23 | davidc__ | flyback: they're cheaper I know |
| 18:35.35 | davidc__ | flyback: you just get some of that sticky copper foil used in stained glass |
| 18:36.10 | davidc__ | presolder a wire to it, then stick it to the surface [/w a bit of superglue] - then run a conductive ink trace from the pad to the copper |
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| 18:37.10 | davidc__ | flyback: only issue is conductive ink is fairly high resistance, several ohms/inch IIRC, so you'll want a really short conductive ink trace |
| 18:37.13 | davidc__ | or a wide one |
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| 18:48.33 | flyback | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.35 | flyback | hmm |
| 18:48.42 | J4k3 | yep |
| 18:48.45 | flyback | or rear window defogger repair kit |
| 18:48.53 | flyback | thing is |
| 18:48.58 | flyback | I need to run wires OFF the board |
| 18:48.58 | davidc__ | flyback: the downside is that the adhesive is not conductive |
| 18:49.02 | flyback | to the lcd behind it |
| 18:49.04 | davidc__ | for the sticky copper |
| 18:49.12 | davidc__ | I was gonna presolder a wire to that |
| 18:49.13 | davidc__ | stick it to the board |
| 18:49.21 | davidc__ | use conductive ink to run a trace to the new pad |
| 18:49.52 | davidc__ | and if you have a bit of kapton tape laying around, you can always use the copper to make a really ghetto flat flex cable ;) |
| 18:50.32 | flyback | mabye I will just run alagator clips for now |
| 18:50.40 | flyback | confirm the motherboard is fixable |
| 18:50.42 | flyback | then just order a lcd |
| 18:50.57 | flyback | here |
| 18:50.58 | flyback | http://www.gethightech.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=PA1021&Category_Code=SYM |
| 18:51.06 | flyback | left you see see the 4 wire flex pcb |
| 18:51.12 | flyback | on top |
| 18:51.50 | flyback | the other end will be easy just unsolder the connector and attach 4 wires directely |
| 18:51.57 | flyback | most newer display oems were that way anyways |
| 18:53.55 | flyback | ouch they want $30 for your display j4k3 |
| 18:54.14 | J4k3 | thats about $29.50 more than the rest of the device is worth |
| 18:54.19 | flyback | yeah I know |
| 18:54.26 | flyback | keep it though or send to me |
| 18:54.27 | J4k3 | damn palmos and its uselessness. |
| 18:54.29 | flyback | I will flash it with linux |
| 18:54.38 | flyback | and turn it into a embedded board to run a robot |
| 18:55.06 | flyback | what did yuo destroy btw |
| 18:55.14 | flyback | the lcd, the digitizer or both? |
| 18:58.45 | J4k3 | I broke something that appears to be made out of glass |
| 18:58.46 | J4k3 | its below the outside layer |
| 18:58.52 | J4k3 | I haven't taken it apart since it still "works".. I can use my GPS adapter to get lat/long/alt, and thats just about it |
| 18:59.00 | J4k3 | and I end up destroying 4 AAA's to do it. |
| 18:59.14 | J4k3 | and the damned thing won't run off nimh for more than 5 minutes... it wants alkalines *only* |
| 18:59.20 | flyback | oh you can fix that |
| 18:59.24 | flyback | you just need to set a dot command |
| 18:59.33 | flyback | that tells it to recalibrate for nicd/nimh |
| 18:59.37 | J4k3 | ah |
| 18:59.44 | flyback | what doesn't work? |
| 18:59.46 | J4k3 | I think I'd rather put a small explosive underneath it |
| 18:59.49 | J4k3 | and set it into orbit |
| 18:59.49 | flyback | display or touchpad |
| 18:59.59 | J4k3 | both "work" the touchpad is drunk |
| 19:00.05 | J4k3 | its about a half-inch off. |
| 19:00.44 | flyback | bad digitizer |
| 19:00.53 | flyback | unless it's just loose |
| 19:02.03 | J4k3 | theres a corner cracked on it |
| 19:02.47 | flyback | oh then the digitizer is canucked |
| 19:02.59 | flyback | http://www.thehaus.net/AltOS/PalmOS/ht-dotcommands.shtml |
| 19:03.00 | J4k3 | oh well |
| 19:03.02 | J4k3 | its older than hell |
| 19:03.07 | flyback | yeah but it;s still useful |
| 19:03.13 | flyback | just need to find a source for digitizer cheap :P |
| 19:04.10 | J4k3 | hm I'll see if the nimh thing works |
| 19:04.16 | J4k3 | assuming I can get it tapped out |
| 19:04.50 | flyback | well I gotta get going on finishing up this email server in a few mins |
| 19:04.53 | flyback | let me know how that works |
| 19:04.53 | J4k3 | hell, at this point, verizon will practically give me a palm-based pda-phone of some sort |
| 19:04.58 | J4k3 | and I won't accept that, either :) |
| 19:05.20 | J4k3 | I heard "cell" and "palm" in the same sentence and my hair stood up on end. |
| 19:05.29 | flyback | heehhe |
| 19:05.41 | flyback | well I found out how to add some other browsers to my palm |
| 19:05.53 | flyback | and possibly the updated 4.2 from the tx to my t5 |
| 19:06.02 | flyback | mabye even the 4.5 from the newest treo eventually |
| 19:06.16 | J4k3 | hehe, hopefully its more stable than the treo |
| 19:06.21 | J4k3 | dan always complains about crashing his |
| 19:06.35 | J4k3 | at least it doens't lose all his settings when he has to reboot it, like my visor does. |
| 19:06.38 | flyback | well palm os is a pos |
| 19:06.44 | flyback | it's still based around m68k |
| 19:06.52 | flyback | even though 5.x devices are arm based with mmu |
| 19:07.12 | J4k3 | if I've got an arm and an mmu, palmos wouldn't be running for long :) |
| 19:07.25 | prpplague | T0mW: lost a couple of pads when i removed the sdram :( |
| 19:07.34 | flyback | :( |
| 19:07.42 | T0mW | prpplague: how did you remove the SDRAM? |
| 19:07.48 | flyback | prpplague that shouldn't be a major problem for someone like yuo to fix |
| 19:07.57 | flyback | jumpers or a conductive pen |
| 19:08.44 | prpplague | T0mW: soldering iron, hehe |
| 19:09.08 | T0mW | prpplague: toaster oven has been the best way I've found to strip a pcb |
| 19:09.18 | flyback | T0mW doesn't that destroy the caps and stuff |
| 19:09.58 | davidc__ | nope |
| 19:10.05 | davidc__ | just only run it to the right temp |
| 19:10.08 | T0mW | prpplague: if you want to remove a tssop device to just replace it, then cut the pins off the device using an xacto knife, keep the knife close the plastic body so it will shear them loos |
| 19:10.12 | davidc__ | I sometimes take all the electrolytics off first |
| 19:10.15 | T0mW | s/loos/loose |
| 19:10.51 | flyback | davidc__ wow |
| 19:11.06 | flyback | mabye I could fix my wacked palm by heating it and removing the tsop damaged flash |
| 19:11.20 | flyback | bah I don't have anything I could attach it to easily |
| 19:11.53 | davidc__ | I've reflowed boards in a toaster oven for assembly purposes |
| 19:12.40 | davidc__ | eh, get a digital thermometer as well |
| 19:12.49 | davidc__ | the temp ones in a toaster oven are crap |
| 19:12.56 | davidc__ | someday I'm gonna build a real pid controller for that |
| 19:13.54 | flyback | <davidc__> eh, get a digital thermometer as well |
| 19:14.07 | flyback | yuo mean a seperate therometer or one built into the oven |
| 19:15.46 | davidc__ | eh, most of the oven ones just have a bimetal thermometer - or coiled spring type to do a cutoff |
| 19:15.55 | davidc__ | which are horribly inaccurate |
| 19:16.07 | flyback | so wtf do you have to do |
| 19:16.07 | davidc__ | if you can hit the exact temperature, you avoid nasty things like exploding caps + etc |
| 19:16.21 | davidc__ | eh, I just bought a standard digital oven thermometer |
| 19:16.26 | davidc__ | which has a wire that ya stick inside |
| 19:16.29 | davidc__ | and I watch the temp |
| 19:16.34 | davidc__ | and turn off the oven when it gets to temp |
| 19:16.38 | flyback | how much are those? |
| 19:17.04 | davidc__ | think mine was 20 bucks or so |
| 19:17.48 | flyback | hmm |
| 19:17.53 | prpplague | T0mW: wheeee, i got the lcd connector off this time with no damage hehe |
| 19:18.20 | prpplague | T0mW: should have gone a little slower on the sdram |
| 19:18.44 | T0mW | prpplague: more patience |
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| 19:50.02 | T0mW | bah! "switch_root: not rootfs" |
| 19:53.10 | prpplague | dac didn't come off clean :( it was glued down |
| 19:53.17 | prpplague | tore a few pads |
| 19:53.25 | prpplague | should be able to trace them though |
| 21:01.33 | prpplague | jbevren: looks like that dac spi is bit banged |
| 21:04.19 | flyback | chavez just closed all the citgo stations |
| 21:04.21 | flyback | hahaha this is going to be fun |
| 21:05.28 | prpplague | and that is embedded how? |
| 21:51.58 | flyback | anyone know of a good rule of thumb or trick |
| 21:52.03 | flyback | to read pins upside down |
| 21:52.05 | flyback | what I mean is |
| 21:52.10 | flyback | if I am hacking a processor socket |
| 21:52.17 | flyback | and I have the pinout from looking at the top side |
| 21:52.25 | J4k3 | get a PDF of the pin layout, and mirror it using afrobat |
| 21:52.26 | flyback | what is a good way to not get confused when flipping it over |
| 21:52.34 | J4k3 | or, print it on thin paper |
| 21:52.38 | flyback | that will work? |
| 21:52.41 | flyback | flopping it? |
| 21:53.13 | J4k3 | should |
| 21:54.56 | flyback | gotta install afrobat |
| 21:54.59 | flyback | foxit ain't doing it |
| 22:03.24 | T0mW | flyback: or, you can print the pdf page to a postscript file, then read it in with gimp, then "image | transform | flip horizontally" |
| 22:05.21 | J4k3 | afaik you have to flip it both vertically and horizontally |
| 22:06.40 | J4k3 | err no |
| 22:06.43 | J4k3 | just horizontally |
| 22:10.50 | prpplague | jbevren: all the cardedge pins are not identified |
| 22:16.50 | flyback | all this stuff is freaking insane |
| 22:16.53 | flyback | I should just give up |
| 22:19.44 | flyback | I think the hole punching idea might be best |
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