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| 02:21.23 | CP|Home | I am eggghausted |
| 02:22.17 | T0mW | CP|Home: too many hens? |
| 02:24.26 | flyback | HAHAHAHAH |
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| 02:36.12 | jbevren | bah |
| 02:36.14 | jbevren | so here I was on efnet all day |
| 02:36.16 | jbevren | thinking |
| 02:36.20 | jbevren | man, #edev is dead today |
| 02:36.22 | jbevren | gah |
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| 12:31.31 | prpplague | jbevren: hey |
| 13:04.21 | prpplague | davidc__: hehe, i found my dac problem |
| 13:10.11 | jbevren | morning prp |
| 13:13.21 | gandhijee | anyone know if xscale has a MMU? |
| 13:13.29 | jbevren | afaik yes |
| 13:13.46 | jbevren | prpplague: pong |
| 13:13.48 | prpplague | jbevren: yea |
| 13:13.52 | prpplague | jbevren: morning |
| 13:14.03 | prpplague | jbevren: toasted my dac yesterday, hehe |
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| 13:14.15 | jbevren | doh :) |
| 13:14.22 | jbevren | I guess you have an open I2S port now |
| 13:14.32 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 13:14.45 | prpplague | jbevren: does look like we can play mp3's |
| 13:15.26 | jbevren | well |
| 13:15.28 | jbevren | I can :) |
| 13:15.32 | jbevren | you cant |
| 13:15.34 | jbevren | lol :) |
| 13:15.45 | prpplague | hehe, i have spares |
| 13:15.51 | jbevren | nod |
| 13:15.53 | jbevren | just teasing :) |
| 13:16.08 | jbevren | did the elinux space thing get fixed? |
| 13:16.26 | prpplague | yea, double whammy |
| 13:16.38 | prpplague | the my account was screwed so i wasn't able to use it |
| 13:16.45 | prpplague | should be good to go for everyone now |
| 13:17.19 | prpplague | i updated the main pixter-mm page with some info |
| 13:19.26 | jbevren | cool |
| 13:19.40 | prpplague | looks like we can do without the middle CoB chip |
| 13:19.58 | prpplague | appears to be just a audio chip thats connected to the dac's mic input |
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| 13:20.07 | jbevren | ah |
| 13:20.10 | jbevren | maybe thats the music chip |
| 13:20.13 | prpplague | its what plays the pixter tune |
| 13:20.16 | jbevren | nod |
| 13:20.22 | jbevren | a simple wavetable chip |
| 13:20.33 | prpplague | thats why when you halted the proc it still played |
| 13:20.37 | jbevren | nod |
| 13:20.49 | prpplague | jbevren: the other chip is the eeprom |
| 13:21.04 | prpplague | jbevren: appears to be bitbanged spi |
| 13:23.25 | jbevren | hm |
| 13:23.36 | jbevren | throw a standard 'identify' string at it and see if it replies :D |
| 13:24.18 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, got to figure out all the lines first |
| 13:24.39 | prpplague | jbevren: i know which gpio's it uses, just not which ones are the clk, data, cs and such |
| 13:24.47 | jbevren | nod |
| 13:25.30 | prpplague | thats kinda on my back burner list |
| 13:25.39 | prpplague | jbevren: it will be nice to use it |
| 13:25.44 | prpplague | jbevren: but its not a priority |
| 13:25.47 | jbevren | nod |
| 13:25.51 | jbevren | we'll have other storage by then |
| 13:26.06 | prpplague | yea |
| 13:26.10 | prpplague | soooo |
| 13:26.16 | prpplague | the headphones are stero |
| 13:26.21 | prpplague | stereo |
| 13:26.36 | prpplague | so we can play mp3's |
| 13:26.43 | prpplague | what else |
| 13:27.07 | prpplague | oh i've identified all but 1 of the card edge pins |
| 13:27.16 | jbevren | yeah, I checked that :) |
| 13:27.22 | jbevren | http://www.surpluscomputers.com/store/main.aspx?p=ItemDetail&item=CPM10374 |
| 13:27.26 | jbevren | sd/mmc card with builtin usb plug |
| 13:28.05 | prpplague | yea seen that |
| 13:28.06 | jbevren | I thoughtthat was kinda cool. You'd get away with hardwiring that one to a circuit :) |
| 13:28.36 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, thought about that, but the way the circuit works you can only use one at a time |
| 13:29.52 | prpplague | jbevren: i depopulated one of my pixter mb's |
| 13:30.00 | prpplague | jbevren: so i can trace most of the stuff out |
| 13:30.00 | jbevren | cool |
| 13:30.09 | jbevren | did you get the blobs off too? heh |
| 13:30.21 | prpplague | yea i did the two smaller blobs |
| 13:34.40 | jbevren | yay my SGIsavers are out for delivery :) |
| 13:34.52 | prpplague | jbevren: soooo |
| 13:35.05 | prpplague | jbevren: next step is to get it booting from my nor flash |
| 13:35.09 | jbevren | prpplague: did I ever give you my address? heh |
| 13:35.18 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, i don't think so |
| 13:35.25 | jbevren | got pen and paper? :) |
| 13:35.31 | jbevren | or a /log heh |
| 13:35.45 | prpplague | ~prpplague |
| 13:35.46 | purl | hmm... prpplague is mailto:danders@amltd.com or Dave Anders |
| 13:35.49 | jbevren | oh sure |
| 13:35.52 | jbevren | make me email you (np ) |
| 13:36.51 | jbevren | sent |
| 13:37.04 | jbevren | oh, now that youve depopulated the board, did you find the boot config pads? |
| 13:37.22 | prpplague | jbevren: we already knew those |
| 13:37.32 | jbevren | we didnt know the locations(?) |
| 13:37.39 | prpplague | jbevren: yea we did |
| 13:37.40 | jbevren | or I didnt anyway :) |
| 13:37.47 | prpplague | jbevren: they are pc7:4 |
| 13:37.55 | jbevren | right, but where are they on the pcb? |
| 13:38.11 | prpplague | hehe, all over as they are multiplexe with the upper address lines |
| 13:38.23 | jbevren | oh |
| 13:38.24 | jbevren | drr |
| 13:38.26 | jbevren | hehe :) |
| 13:38.38 | prpplague | jbevren: you can access the boot config from the cardedge if you wanted to |
| 13:38.42 | jbevren | so you could use the expansion port to change the boot config |
| 13:38.42 | jbevren | yeah |
| 13:39.14 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, just need to apply the correct circuit, which consists of a couple of p-channel mosfets |
| 13:39.26 | prpplague | jbevren: BSS84 for smd or BS250 for thru hole |
| 13:43.03 | prpplague | jbevren: hmm, there was something else i was gonna talk to you about, but i've slept(drank) since then |
| 13:43.14 | jbevren | haha |
| 13:43.19 | jbevren | notepads, my friend. notepads |
| 13:43.24 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, you did miss something fun last night |
| 13:43.31 | jbevren | figures |
| 13:43.37 | jbevren | I went to the fair and stood out in the rain |
| 13:43.41 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:43.42 | jbevren | and fun stuff comes out here |
| 13:45.03 | jbevren | hm |
| 13:45.06 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:45.13 | jbevren | there's no wait-state line |
| 13:45.17 | jbevren | sigh :P |
| 13:45.20 | prpplague | jbevren: what? |
| 13:45.25 | jbevren | on the cardedge |
| 13:45.34 | jbevren | most buses have a line for slow devices that makes the cpu wait |
| 13:45.37 | prpplague | jbevren: what do you need a ready/busy line for? |
| 13:45.44 | jbevren | for slow devices :) |
| 13:45.48 | prpplague | jbevren: i.e ??? |
| 13:46.07 | jbevren | shrug. I always think of a slow-device instance |
| 13:46.27 | jbevren | mainly cause I get nervous at >1mhz ;-) |
| 13:46.37 | prpplague | i've never run across anything in my projects that i need a ready/busy for |
| 13:47.41 | prpplague | jbevren: anyway, we can do a lot with this |
| 13:47.48 | jbevren | without doubt |
| 13:47.55 | jbevren | two CS lines, 8Mbyte range on each |
| 13:47.56 | jbevren | hehe |
| 13:48.05 | jbevren | er |
| 13:48.07 | jbevren | 16 |
| 13:48.14 | jbevren | I do that almost every time :) |
| 13:48.14 | prpplague | jbevren: actually, we'll have all four CS lines |
| 13:48.26 | prpplague | jbevren: i'll bring nCS1 and nCS0 out too |
| 13:48.31 | jbevren | ah |
| 13:48.40 | jbevren | where's cs0 btw? cs1's on the CoB rom isnt it? |
| 13:48.52 | prpplague | jbevren: it doesn't appear to be used |
| 13:49.11 | jbevren | very cool |
| 13:49.14 | prpplague | i can't find it anywhere other than on the test pad |
| 13:49.59 | jbevren | it's extended to a pad at least? |
| 13:50.27 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, see YOUR notes, hehe |
| 13:50.35 | prpplague | jbevren: L16 iirc |
| 13:50.41 | jbevren | oh |
| 13:50.43 | jbevren | drr haha |
| 13:51.03 | jbevren | what's the clock speed on the bus btw? |
| 13:51.10 | jbevren | is it the same as the cpu speed? |
| 13:51.53 | prpplague | jbevren: should be |
| 13:52.02 | prpplague | jbevren: or half |
| 13:52.07 | prpplague | jbevren: depends on the config |
| 13:52.17 | jbevren | cool |
| 13:52.20 | gandhijee | anyone know where in the kernel this would be? |
| 13:52.20 | gandhijee | dma_sync_single_for_device |
| 13:52.24 | prpplague | jbevren: hmm, wait thats not right |
| 13:52.41 | jbevren | gandhijee: lxr.linux.no will tell you where it's defined, and everywhere it's referenced |
| 13:52.42 | prpplague | jbevren: if its running at 66mhz, then the bus is something like 51mhz iirc |
| 13:52.54 | gandhijee | thanks |
| 13:53.00 | jbevren | np :) |
| 13:53.12 | prpplague | jbevren: so now its just deciding what we want to do with it |
| 13:53.24 | jbevren | well, I need a new TS.. heh |
| 13:53.34 | prpplague | jbevren: i now have a spare :P |
| 13:53.35 | jbevren | guess its time to order from surpluscomputers (and get that palm3 lcd) |
| 13:54.03 | prpplague | be nice to me and i might ship it to you! hehe |
| 13:54.09 | jbevren | hehe |
| 13:54.14 | jbevren | you offered a whole pixter ;) |
| 13:54.18 | prpplague | jbevren: here is what i'm thinking |
| 13:54.35 | prpplague | jbevren: bluetooth, nor flash, sd/mmc card socket |
| 13:54.42 | jbevren | bluetooth on the uart? |
| 13:54.46 | prpplague | jbevren: yea |
| 13:54.49 | jbevren | cool |
| 13:54.51 | prpplague | jbevren: thats what i was thinking |
| 13:54.59 | prpplague | jbevren: then you could do ppp over bt |
| 13:55.04 | jbevren | nod |
| 13:55.31 | prpplague | 802.11 would be better |
| 13:55.45 | prpplague | but since none of the spi based chips are available right now |
| 13:55.55 | jbevren | dont forget we have a localbus |
| 13:55.59 | prpplague | i'd have to go with a cf card solution |
| 13:56.04 | jbevren | nod |
| 13:56.07 | jbevren | pcmcia->cf |
| 13:56.12 | jbevren | I have one of those sandisk combo cards |
| 13:56.17 | jbevren | 128M flash + wifi |
| 13:56.28 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, i'd still have to add a pcmcia controller |
| 13:56.29 | jbevren | I have yet to get it to work in linux :( |
| 13:58.25 | prpplague | hmm, hmm, they've ordered residents of haifa to bomb shelters |
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| 14:02.36 | jbevren | see, this is why I have no respect for religion |
| 14:03.53 | gandhijee | another question, whats need for /proc/dma to show up? |
| 14:04.00 | jbevren | dma support? |
| 14:04.06 | prpplague | proc support |
| 14:04.11 | gandhijee | i have proc support |
| 14:04.12 | jbevren | mounting proc |
| 14:04.14 | jbevren | :D |
| 14:04.26 | gandhijee | and i get /proc/ioport and iomem, but no dma |
| 14:04.34 | gandhijee | =/ |
| 14:04.59 | gandhijee | then when i try to load a module i get Unknown symbol dma_sync_single_for_device |
| 14:05.20 | jbevren | grep for that string in your modules |
| 14:05.21 | jbevren | hehe |
| 14:05.23 | gandhijee | i'm at a loss for what to do |
| 14:05.37 | gandhijee | its defined in the asm-arm |
| 14:05.45 | gandhijee | and shows up in system.map |
| 14:05.51 | jbevren | do you have dma support enabled in config? |
| 14:06.35 | gandhijee | in the .config i have a CONFIG_DMABOUNCE, which is enabled |
| 14:06.47 | gandhijee | but i don't see anythign in the kernel config for it |
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| 15:29.55 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: the news made the local paper today |
| 15:30.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: oh yea? |
| 15:30.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: more details, or same ol' same ol' ? |
| 15:30.30 | CosmicPenguin | same ol' same ol' |
| 15:30.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh |
| 15:30.47 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey on the olpc nano-x |
| 15:30.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: what kind of memory footprint did it have |
| 15:31.16 | CosmicPenguin | probably about 300k |
| 15:31.17 | CosmicPenguin | I didn't check |
| 15:32.17 | CosmicPenguin | I wasted a lot of memory too |
| 15:32.22 | CosmicPenguin | it was a quick hack |
| 15:32.38 | prpplague | cool |
| 15:32.45 | CosmicPenguin | and uglyl as all get out |
| 15:32.56 | CosmicPenguin | I have absolutely NOOOOOOOO artistic talent |
| 15:33.11 | prpplague | jbevren: the price seems to have creeped up |
| 15:33.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: me either |
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| 15:35.21 | T0mW | moanin' |
| 15:35.27 | prpplague | T0mW: hey hey |
| 15:35.55 | T0mW | prpplague: well, I almost got my first large scale embedded project. |
| 15:36.01 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:36.11 | prpplague | T0mW: you hammer out the $$ |
| 15:36.47 | T0mW | prpplague: he is dithering on the issues over the weekend: convert the existing code + keep the existing hardware, --OR--, toss the hardware and start over. |
| 15:36.57 | T0mW | prpplague: yes we did |
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| 15:39.08 | CosmicPenguin | Pixters for all - Tom is buyin! |
| 15:40.33 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:42.14 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:42.18 | prpplague | to get 2 or 3 more pixters |
| 15:43.18 | prpplague | ok get two this time |
| 15:43.26 | prpplague | i need to order some parts from jameco too |
| 15:43.32 | T0mW | he is going to mull the project over the weekend |
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| 15:44.30 | prpplague | i need some good protoboard, some solder, and some .1" pin headers |
| 15:44.46 | T0mW | prpplague: move to Pennsylvania? |
| 15:44.50 | T0mW | heh |
| 15:45.08 | T0mW | prpplague: then you can get FedEx to drop stuff off. |
| 15:45.44 | T0mW | prpplague: if you want to live on an "exotic island", you could move to Staten Island, heh |
| 15:55.57 | jbevren | hmm |
| 15:56.03 | jbevren | mental note: dont touch my video card |
| 15:56.07 | jbevren | it idles at 60c heh |
| 15:57.52 | prpplague | T0mW: still get it via fedex, just takes longer |
| 16:04.29 | aundry | ooops |
| 16:04.51 | jbevren | rowr fft ftt! |
| 16:05.06 | sunrunner20 | na |
| 16:05.13 | sunrunner20 | i'm sure she's sore now |
| 16:05.19 | sunrunner20 | but didn't do serious damange |
| 16:05.28 | sunrunner20 | she scooted like 8" |
| 16:06.38 | sunrunner20 | and this is a very strong cat |
| 16:06.44 | sunrunner20 | bone wize at lest |
| 16:06.54 | sunrunner20 | she got her head shut in a door the first week we got her |
| 16:07.03 | sunrunner20 | i tried to shut the door but she was faster |
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| 16:51.06 | prpplague | T0mW: help me out here, got a brain cramp |
| 16:51.41 | prpplague | T0mW: one of the connectors on the pixter mm main board has .05" off set holes |
| 16:51.59 | prpplague | T0mW: if i get a proto board that has all .05" holes that should work right? |
| 17:14.05 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, i connected my logitech palm keyboard to my pixter board |
| 17:15.20 | jbevren | prpplague: cool |
| 17:15.24 | jbevren | so what do you use for output? |
| 17:17.17 | prpplague | jbevren: just uart for the momment |
| 17:18.09 | jbevren | ;nods |
| 17:18.21 | sunrunner20 | NOO |
| 17:18.25 | sunrunner20 | grr |
| 17:18.26 | jbevren | YESSSSSS |
| 17:18.35 | sunrunner20 | ipod won't charge off of just a plain connection via usb |
| 17:18.38 | sunrunner20 | ie |
| 17:18.40 | jbevren | nyaa |
| 17:18.40 | sunrunner20 | battery pack |
| 17:18.45 | jbevren | hackaday.com |
| 17:18.49 | jbevren | lots of ipod charger projects |
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| 17:35.59 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe did i tell you how i killed my dac? |
| 17:36.20 | jbevren | I heard you lifted pads trying to remove it |
| 17:36.24 | jbevren | thats about all I know heh |
| 17:36.37 | prpplague | jbevren: that was only after i toasted it |
| 17:36.54 | prpplague | jbevren: i mounted the speaker on my dev board |
| 17:37.16 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, didn't watch what i was doing and soldered both leads of the speaker to a bus |
| 17:37.33 | prpplague | jbevren: for the dac to run a speak it turns of the short protection |
| 17:37.42 | prpplague | jbevren: so if you short it out, its gone |
| 17:37.51 | prpplague | jbevren: so be careful with your speaker contacts |
| 17:41.49 | flyback | boomerang even |
| 17:46.09 | prpplague | lets see |
| 17:46.25 | prpplague | the normal rs-232 db9 connector is a 2x5 iirc |
| 17:46.36 | prpplague | been so long since i did peecee stuff |
| 17:47.34 | prpplague | can anyone confirm that? |
| 17:57.46 | flyback | uhh no |
| 17:58.11 | prpplague | flyback: are you itching for K/B ? |
| 17:58.12 | jbevren | prpplague: it is |
| 17:58.16 | jbevren | I have such a cable |
| 17:58.19 | flyback | well it's not |
| 17:58.22 | jbevren | uh |
| 17:58.23 | flyback | it's like x5 and x4 |
| 17:58.30 | jbevren | he's talking about the motherboard end :) |
| 17:58.33 | flyback | ah |
| 17:58.35 | jbevren | :P |
| 17:58.48 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm gonna do the rs-232 header that way |
| 17:58.51 | flyback | prpplague are you itching for packets? |
| 17:58.53 | flyback | j/k :P |
| 17:59.11 | jbevren | is it 5 yet? :X |
| 17:59.19 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe |
| 17:59.23 | flyback | life's too short to packet people |
| 17:59.27 | flyback | unless they are child molestors |
| 17:59.34 | flyback | then I will spend my whole life doing it :) |
| 17:59.55 | prpplague | jbevren: whatcha think? 2x5 header for the rs-232 ok? |
| 18:00.00 | jbevren | sure |
| 18:00.08 | jbevren | motherboard db9 plugs float everywhere |
| 18:00.09 | flyback | prpplague, btw |
| 18:00.13 | jbevren | my raid devices use em too |
| 18:00.14 | flyback | how is the post mortem going |
| 18:00.23 | prpplague | flyback: ? |
| 18:00.32 | flyback | you damaged that pixter or whatever |
| 18:00.38 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/o200/array-controller.jpg (cant see the 10pin headers) |
| 18:00.55 | jbevren | prpplague: that thing runs on a 5x86 ;_) |
| 18:01.04 | prpplague | flyback: just the dac |
| 18:01.08 | flyback | cool :) |
| 18:01.17 | jbevren | it'd be kinda neat to get linux on it, cept it has no ethernet |
| 18:01.23 | prpplague | no, it was hot |
| 18:01.32 | flyback | jbevren you know anyone dying to have legacy touchpad video card + interface card thing |
| 18:01.36 | flyback | has a dac and 8051 on it |
| 18:01.41 | flyback | I know almost nothing about it |
| 18:01.43 | jbevren | flyback: not really |
| 18:01.46 | flyback | accelgraphics I believe |
| 18:01.57 | prpplague | jbevren: you see the TXD0 and RXD0 are actually connected to UART1 ? |
| 18:02.06 | jbevren | yeah, you mentioned that this morning |
| 18:02.32 | prpplague | jbevren: my proto boards should be thru customs by wed or thursday |
| 18:03.01 | prpplague | jbevren: should be able to start working on the main board |
| 18:03.22 | prpplague | jbevren: main question i'm asking myself is if i should consider a sdram modification |
| 18:03.42 | jbevren | if we can come up with a small-footprint GUI, I'd say hold off |
| 18:03.55 | flyback | jbevren |
| 18:04.00 | flyback | is that a amd 5x86-133 chip? |
| 18:04.01 | prpplague | jbevren: yea thats my thought |
| 18:04.05 | jbevren | flyback: yeah |
| 18:04.16 | prpplague | jbevren: CosmicPenguin did a nano-x for the olpc yesterday |
| 18:04.17 | jbevren | prpplague: the less we do internally, the more cool the hack is ;-) |
| 18:04.25 | prpplague | jbevren: 200k with around 300k mem |
| 18:04.32 | jbevren | nice |
| 18:04.35 | flyback | jbe I think amd still sells those |
| 18:04.37 | flyback | in the elan version |
| 18:04.42 | jbevren | yep |
| 18:04.52 | jbevren | ST sells a SoC 486/66 |
| 18:04.57 | prpplague | jbevren: my first board full proto board is gonna be a dev board |
| 18:05.00 | flyback | yep |
| 18:05.02 | prpplague | jbevren: just about decided on that |
| 18:05.03 | jbevren | theyre not DX2 though, they really have a 66mhz bus |
| 18:05.09 | flyback | and no one gives a flying s*** that it's slow |
| 18:05.12 | flyback | cause it's fine for embedded |
| 18:05.16 | jbevren | flyback: I have one :) |
| 18:05.20 | flyback | nice |
| 18:05.30 | jbevren | http://www.jbevren.net/1571/dscn1627.jpg |
| 18:05.38 | jbevren | floppy controller for reading special format GCR disks |
| 18:05.40 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.46 | jbevren | the green heatsink is this 486 |
| 18:05.52 | flyback | wtf |
| 18:05.59 | flyback | is that a c64 disk drive housing ? |
| 18:06.02 | jbevren | yeah |
| 18:06.05 | jbevren | 1571 disk |
| 18:06.08 | flyback | if you killed the board |
| 18:06.11 | flyback | I will hunt you down |
| 18:06.12 | jbevren | it has mfm and gcr controllers |
| 18:06.13 | flyback | and rip your nuts off |
| 18:06.14 | jbevren | um no |
| 18:06.20 | jbevren | I need the board to control the mech |
| 18:06.20 | flyback | the c64 I mean |
| 18:06.23 | flyback | not the drive :) |
| 18:06.37 | flyback | you can sell sid chips on ebay for $$$$ |
| 18:06.38 | jbevren | and you wont threaten me like that again :) |
| 18:06.42 | flyback | thanks to hardsid |
| 18:06.42 | jbevren | I know |
| 18:06.44 | jbevren | I have enough heh |
| 18:06.56 | jbevren | konw what sells better? |
| 18:07.00 | jbevren | sx64's. I have two. |
| 18:07.01 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:07.14 | jbevren | c64 in a suitcase |
| 18:07.16 | jbevren | with a 5" crt |
| 18:07.20 | flyback | whoa |
| 18:07.26 | flyback | you should mod one |
| 18:07.30 | flyback | remove the crt parts |
| 18:07.30 | jbevren | why? heh |
| 18:07.33 | flyback | put in a psone LCD |
| 18:07.37 | flyback | www.lcdgallery.net |
| 18:07.39 | jbevren | psone lcd's are worse than the crt :) |
| 18:07.43 | flyback | wtf |
| 18:07.46 | jbevren | I have one |
| 18:07.47 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:07.54 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:07.56 | jbevren | got it for that very purpose |
| 18:07.59 | jbevren | see problem is, |
| 18:08.05 | jbevren | the psone lcd is composite video |
| 18:08.07 | flyback | the c64's scan rate? |
| 18:08.10 | jbevren | the builtin crt is svideo |
| 18:08.13 | jbevren | flyback: tv |
| 18:08.15 | jbevren | ntsc svideo |
| 18:08.22 | flyback | prpplague excellent |
| 18:08.31 | flyback | man that reminds me |
| 18:08.35 | flyback | I hate nintendo so bad |
| 18:08.45 | flyback | they sue every homemade add on device out of existance |
| 18:08.51 | flyback | cause it "might" be used for piracy |
| 18:08.52 | prpplague | flyback: off your meds today? |
| 18:08.59 | flyback | uh no |
| 18:09.05 | flyback | but I did get 4 hrs sleep :/ |
| 18:09.44 | flyback | jbe what does it take to read thoe gcr disks |
| 18:09.47 | flyback | logic wise |
| 18:10.53 | jbevren | head amplifier, shift register |
| 18:11.03 | flyback | heh |
| 18:11.04 | jbevren | the rest is done in software by the 1541 firmware |
| 18:11.09 | flyback | sounds liek I almost could do it :P |
| 18:11.19 | jbevren | yeah, but doing that you only get the gcr data |
| 18:11.25 | jbevren | then you have to decode the gcr stream :) |
| 18:11.30 | jbevren | then find the sector marks |
| 18:11.39 | flyback | icky |
| 18:11.40 | jbevren | then get the data out of the sector before it passes beyond your read head :) |
| 18:11.49 | flyback | so you are doing soft-dsp essentially? |
| 18:11.51 | prpplague | jbevren: ok sooooo, for the dev board, i'm keeping the audio board, and the 4-way switch board |
| 18:11.53 | jbevren | you only get 32 cpu cycles per byte or so |
| 18:12.02 | prpplague | jbevren: or atleast thats what i'm thinking |
| 18:12.13 | jbevren | flyback: the signal processing on the 1541 is done analogue |
| 18:12.30 | flyback | well you adc it and process it don't you ? |
| 18:12.30 | jbevren | 4way swithc board? hehe |
| 18:12.35 | jbevren | flyback: not really |
| 18:12.40 | jbevren | its not an analogue signal |
| 18:12.49 | jbevren | its a series of 1 and 0 on the disk like a cd |
| 18:12.49 | prpplague | jbevren: i don't know, i keep thinking i should dump it all for the dev board |
| 18:12.55 | prpplague | jbevren: make an all in one |
| 18:13.09 | prpplague | jbevren: but then i think i should keep it close to the original hardware |
| 18:13.09 | jbevren | prpplague: just get an old atari stick hehe |
| 18:13.18 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe] |
| 18:13.53 | prpplague | jbevren: i mean for a dev board, do you want something with the same functionality but in a different format |
| 18:13.56 | jbevren | reminds me of when I used to use the db9 js driver in linux to build a footswitch jump button for quake3 :) |
| 18:14.08 | prpplague | jbevren: or should we keep it close to the original |
| 18:14.17 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe |
| 18:14.20 | jbevren | prpplague: similar functionality |
| 18:14.26 | prpplague | jbevren: know what i used? |
| 18:14.28 | jbevren | it doesnt have to be very close |
| 18:14.38 | jbevren | as long as the software's operable from the devboard |
| 18:14.46 | flyback | I am not a apple fan but wozanik was a genius |
| 18:14.59 | prpplague | jbevren: i took a standard pc joystick and connected two sewing machine foot pedals |
| 18:15.00 | jbevren | not really |
| 18:15.03 | jbevren | he only made the apple2 |
| 18:15.09 | jbevren | the mac's UI was stolen from xerox heh |
| 18:15.09 | prpplague | jbevren: was able to use it to "walk" in quake |
| 18:15.11 | flyback | well that's what I am talking about |
| 18:15.18 | flyback | all the stuff like the floppy he did in software |
| 18:15.20 | flyback | to save $$$ |
| 18:15.22 | jbevren | prp :) |
| 18:15.36 | jbevren | flyback: Nod |
| 18:15.40 | flyback | man I hope linux runs better than windows 2000 on this PII 300 144 meg ram laptop |
| 18:15.42 | flyback | :/ |
| 18:15.43 | jbevren | the video circuitry was all discrete logic too |
| 18:15.48 | prpplague | jbevren: man help me out here |
| 18:15.50 | jbevren | 24 IC's in the apple2 |
| 18:15.55 | flyback | yeah I have one :) |
| 18:15.57 | jbevren | prpplague: Just do it :) |
| 18:15.57 | flyback | IIc |
| 18:16.00 | prpplague | jbevren: where should i go with the dev board? |
| 18:16.11 | prpplague | jbevren: yea i'm getting stuck in some build decisions |
| 18:16.23 | jbevren | the js should be as close as possible |
| 18:16.37 | jbevren | but extend the GPIO lines on them too so theyre not just buttons :) |
| 18:16.58 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, just one line to adc |
| 18:17.08 | prpplague | jbevren: its an resistance ladder |
| 18:17.24 | jbevren | oen adc does the TS? |
| 18:17.28 | jbevren | or is that just the spare |
| 18:17.35 | flyback | :/ |
| 18:17.41 | jbevren | flyback: I have a IIgs |
| 18:17.45 | jbevren | that's where woz's genius shows |
| 18:17.52 | prpplague | jbevren: there are two adc's for the ts |
| 18:17.54 | flyback | neat |
| 18:18.06 | flyback | jbe did you do the compact flash mod yet |
| 18:18.07 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, i loved the gs |
| 18:18.15 | flyback | or the apple II to pc link cable so you don't have to use floppy |
| 18:18.31 | jbevren | prpplague: my fattest GS has a full compliment of floppy drives, 5M ram, and a 128M compactflash card |
| 18:18.42 | prpplague | wow |
| 18:18.44 | jbevren | flyback: pc cant read/write apple2 disks anyway |
| 18:18.44 | prpplague | jbevren: nice |
| 18:18.53 | flyback | jbe I know that |
| 18:18.58 | flyback | you get disk images :0 |
| 18:19.01 | jbevren | prpplague: It's connected via appletalk to my mac, which acts as a bridge |
| 18:19.08 | prpplague | jbevren: well for the dev board, the major item is the cardedge |
| 18:19.13 | jbevren | so the GS has access to my 1.3T fileserver |
| 18:19.14 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:19.21 | prpplague | jbevren: the rest you can solder wires to connect to the main board |
| 18:19.23 | flyback | wtf? |
| 18:19.25 | flyback | 5m? |
| 18:19.34 | jbevren | flyback: 4M expansion ram, 1M onboard |
| 18:19.35 | flyback | that has to be a whole lotta bank switching going on |
| 18:19.38 | prpplague | jbevren: should i keep it simple? |
| 18:19.50 | prpplague | jbevren: or try to do all the connections on the pcb? |
| 18:19.51 | jbevren | flyback: the GS has a 65816 cpu. 24 address bits = 16M of linear ram |
| 18:19.55 | flyback | oh |
| 18:19.59 | flyback | cool |
| 18:20.09 | jbevren | prpplague: simplicity is best in most cases |
| 18:20.27 | jbevren | flyback: a friend of mine has a 4M ramard for the apple2.. and yeah, lots of bankswitching :) |
| 18:20.27 | prpplague | jbevren: so tell me what you'd like to see in a dev board, if you had your "wish" |
| 18:20.37 | jbevren | for the pixter eh? |
| 18:20.43 | jbevren | a friendly lcd mount is a good start |
| 18:20.50 | flyback | bank switching is actually pretty slick |
| 18:20.51 | jbevren | the bus extended to sockets for breadboarding |
| 18:20.56 | flyback | way around a problem |
| 18:21.06 | jbevren | the joystick buttons should be hooked to a dpad of some sort |
| 18:21.29 | flyback | I wonder if I can solder mod my 286 to expand the ram |
| 18:21.29 | jbevren | the NOR flash, if we figure it out, should be onboard ;-) |
| 18:21.48 | jbevren | 286's have 16M of linear space too |
| 18:21.51 | flyback | soon as I finish this email server for a customer I might just find out |
| 18:21.54 | flyback | I know that |
| 18:21.54 | jbevren | although its mostly useless |
| 18:21.57 | flyback | I was a dos memory masta |
| 18:22.01 | jbevren | the only way to get out of native mode on a 286 is to reset it |
| 18:22.03 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:22.06 | flyback | I had 624kb free with a mouse driver loaded |
| 18:22.12 | flyback | and no use of devicehigh or loadhigh |
| 18:22.14 | flyback | no umd |
| 18:22.16 | flyback | umb |
| 18:22.23 | jbevren | my higest was 704k |
| 18:22.30 | flyback | well that's using the video buffer |
| 18:22.31 | jbevren | a friend had a tandy with 768k of base mem |
| 18:22.35 | jbevren | strange stuff those tandys |
| 18:22.36 | prpplague | jbevren: friendly lcd mount? |
| 18:22.50 | flyback | jbe better than the pcjr it was based on |
| 18:22.53 | jbevren | prpplague: not too dissimilar to the devboard I have a picture of |
| 18:22.57 | flyback | the pcjr is more brain damaged than I am |
| 18:22.58 | jbevren | my LCD is just laying on the table ;-) |
| 18:23.07 | prpplague | jbevren: i wasn't even addressing the lcd, i assumed you take it out of the case ,and just screw it down |
| 18:23.15 | jbevren | hehe |
| 18:23.17 | prpplague | jbevren: so you like the looks of my current board? |
| 18:23.21 | jbevren | yeah |
| 18:23.33 | jbevren | just extend the bus to .100" headers so I can jump em to a protobaord |
| 18:24.02 | prpplague | jbevren: you wouldn't want a proto area on the dev board? |
| 18:24.11 | jbevren | I tend to like working with plugboard |
| 18:24.12 | jbevren | shrug |
| 18:24.14 | prpplague | jbevren: just a header? |
| 18:24.21 | jbevren | although taht is admittedly a headache too |
| 18:24.35 | jbevren | we should also decide on a standardized storage device |
| 18:24.41 | jbevren | probably SPI-mode mmc |
| 18:24.44 | flyback | I gotta sit down sometmie and have a long talk with you 2 |
| 18:24.46 | prpplague | jbevren: yea |
| 18:24.51 | flyback | how the hell do you solder smt without destroying stuff |
| 18:24.59 | prpplague | jbevren: thats what i'm thinking |
| 18:25.01 | jbevren | but the question ther eis where to map it. That's out of scope atm tho |
| 18:25.02 | prpplague | flyback: practice |
| 18:25.08 | flyback | prpplague more than that |
| 18:25.10 | prpplague | jbevren: thats easy |
| 18:25.14 | flyback | I am doing something wrong |
| 18:25.24 | prpplague | jbevren: just need 5 gpio lines |
| 18:25.31 | jbevren | cs di do clk ? |
| 18:25.33 | jbevren | whats number 5 |
| 18:25.38 | prpplague | flyback: yea i know about it |
| 18:25.42 | flyback | prpplague ok :) |
| 18:26.19 | prpplague | jbevren: i usually ad a card detect |
| 18:26.24 | flyback | I still don't understand things like serial etc |
| 18:26.35 | flyback | how the heck do you tell a 0 from empty space/end of transmission |
| 18:26.39 | flyback | if you only have 2 states |
| 18:26.49 | jbevren | prpplague: gotcha |
| 18:26.57 | jbevren | prpplague: I'd just probe by sending an inquiry to the card |
| 18:26.58 | jbevren | shrug |
| 18:27.08 | prpplague | jbevren: just me i guess |
| 18:27.17 | flyback | that's one of the hardest things I am having problems understanding |
| 18:27.36 | flyback | like something that is 2d, it would be infintely small in one direction wtf? |
| 18:27.45 | jbevren | prpplague: of course, if I have the spare gpio |
| 18:27.48 | jbevren | I'd go ahead and use it |
| 18:27.51 | prpplague | jbevren: yea |
| 18:28.03 | jbevren | it takes less cpu time to check a bit |
| 18:28.11 | jbevren | that, and the gpio controller cna irq on a level change |
| 18:30.53 | prpplague | jbevren: ok so on the dev board we'd have, a max232, some nor flash, the header brought out to .1" , power switch, jtag header, sd/mmc socket |
| 18:31.13 | prpplague | jbevren: the ones i have a question about is putting the volume and audio on the board |
| 18:31.19 | prpplague | jbevren: as well as the switches |
| 18:32.04 | jbevren | dont forget cpu reset |
| 18:32.25 | prpplague | jbevren: the pixter doesn't have one |
| 18:32.36 | jbevren | it's part of the jtag pins |
| 18:32.37 | jbevren | nRESET |
| 18:32.41 | prpplague | i guess you could tie it to nTRST |
| 18:32.44 | jbevren | nod |
| 18:32.51 | jbevren | resets it well enough for me :) |
| 18:33.11 | prpplague | jbevren: just a note, nTRST and nRESET normally aren't the same |
| 18:33.27 | prpplague | jbevren: they are often tied together but they are different |
| 18:33.32 | jbevren | shrug |
| 18:33.34 | jbevren | difference? |
| 18:33.43 | prpplague | the T, hehe |
| 18:33.48 | jbevren | haha |
| 18:33.50 | jbevren | right |
| 18:33.52 | jbevren | so reset to ntrst |
| 18:33.58 | jbevren | so questions about audio? |
| 18:33.59 | prpplague | nTRST is suppose to just do the jtag interface not the whole system |
| 18:34.11 | jbevren | ah |
| 18:34.17 | jbevren | well in the pixter's case, it resets the thing |
| 18:34.20 | jbevren | so its good there |
| 18:34.39 | prpplague | yea, its common practice to connect nRESET and nTRST together |
| 18:35.19 | prpplague | i keep thinking i should leave the audio off the board, and just use the board thats in the pixter |
| 18:35.38 | prpplague | i mean it has a long cable and has the phone jack and all |
| 18:35.52 | prpplague | as well as the pot for the volume |
| 18:36.11 | prpplague | you could screw those down on your board |
| 18:37.41 | prpplague | yea i think i'll leave the audio |
| 18:38.06 | prpplague | so, the last one is the two a/b switches |
| 18:38.20 | prpplague | should i bring those out to switchs or leave them as GPIO's? |
| 18:39.09 | jbevren | heh both? :) |
| 18:39.18 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:40.49 | jbevren | I'd just bolt em to the dev board |
| 18:40.59 | jbevren | if the developer really needs their GPIO, they can tap the wire :) |
| 18:41.19 | prpplague | jbevren: they don't have enough support to be used that way |
| 18:41.41 | jbevren | pcb too thin? |
| 18:42.24 | prpplague | no, they are ruberrized buttons |
| 18:42.45 | prpplague | they fall apart without a plastic mold around it |
| 18:42.50 | flyback | prpplague |
| 18:42.59 | prpplague | flyback: |
| 18:43.03 | flyback | do they make a tsop block with 48 wires out that doesn't cost 10 grand |
| 18:43.14 | prpplague | flyback: yea |
| 18:43.14 | flyback | or a socket of some kind or tsop to plcc or tsop to dip |
| 18:43.20 | prpplague | flyback: yea |
| 18:43.26 | flyback | where? |
| 18:43.30 | jbevren | prolly find one on ebay if you look hard enough |
| 18:43.33 | jbevren | how much money is 10 grand? |
| 18:43.37 | flyback | i want soemthing cheap to try on the juicebox without putting a lot of $$$ into it first |
| 18:43.47 | flyback | uhh more than $10 ? |
| 18:43.56 | prpplague | http://www.saelig.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=SMD |
| 18:43.57 | jbevren | lets say less than $50 then |
| 18:44.20 | flyback | heh the leftover 2 meg juiceboxes and mp3 kits are probably $5 by now at kmart |
| 18:44.28 | prpplague | http://www.sivava.com/Product_T.htm |
| 18:44.32 | flyback | they were $10 and $15 when I checked months ago |
| 18:44.47 | flyback | cool |
| 18:44.56 | flyback | thanks |
| 18:45.19 | flyback | everyone else I looked it like $90+ |
| 18:46.08 | flyback | unless it's possible to solder wires directely to the juicebox |
| 18:46.18 | flyback | to a old dip socket |
| 18:46.29 | prpplague | flyback: possible but takes practice |
| 18:46.35 | flyback | :/ |
| 18:46.44 | flyback | didn't you say something long ago about 2nd set of pads aruond the cpu |
| 18:47.06 | jbevren | yeah, but its still a b/tch to solder to em if you have an unsteady hand :) |
| 18:47.08 | prpplague | you do those as well, just have to be careful about the wire lengths |
| 18:48.30 | flyback | hmm |
| 18:49.24 | jbevren | sure, but thats just a nand flash interface |
| 18:49.33 | prpplague | flyback: of course |
| 18:49.35 | flyback | oh yeah nand not nor |
| 18:49.37 | flyback | &*()@#&*)@#&*(@# |
| 18:49.43 | jbevren | but! |
| 18:49.50 | jbevren | get an xD card and build a parallel port burner for it |
| 18:49.55 | jbevren | theyre just nor flashes :) |
| 18:49.57 | jbevren | erm |
| 18:49.58 | jbevren | nand! |
| 18:50.02 | flyback | I need nor cause I can use a endless supply of 128kb+ flash bios chips |
| 18:50.04 | flyback | from dead mb's |
| 18:50.14 | jbevren | ah |
| 18:50.33 | prpplague | are they x8 or x16? |
| 18:50.38 | flyback | x8 |
| 18:50.46 | prpplague | either way you could use those to boot the pixter, hehe |
| 18:50.47 | flyback | 28xxx and 29xxx mostly |
| 18:50.53 | prpplague | ahh 5v |
| 18:50.56 | flyback | yeah that's what I was thinking |
| 18:51.01 | prpplague | can't use those |
| 18:51.04 | flyback | just enough code for a serial graphical lcd emulator |
| 18:51.06 | flyback | how come? |
| 18:51.10 | prpplague | 5v |
| 18:51.15 | flyback | what about a 74ls244? |
| 18:51.26 | prpplague | yea you could use a buffer |
| 18:51.32 | jbevren | lvc244 could be used for a transciever yeah |
| 18:51.34 | flyback | holy s*** |
| 18:51.35 | prpplague | but we don't have a regulated 5v source |
| 18:51.37 | flyback | did I just ask that? |
| 18:51.51 | flyback | well I could give it a regulated +5 for a case lcd mod :0 |
| 18:52.11 | jbevren | prpplague: I pondered the notion of leeching power from usb |
| 18:52.20 | jbevren | wonder how much juice the thing needs |
| 18:52.31 | flyback | jbe 100ma start 500ma max after you init usb |
| 18:52.41 | jbevren | nod |
| 18:52.41 | flyback | I believe the ac adaptor is like 450ma |
| 18:52.42 | jbevren | that much I know |
| 18:52.59 | prpplague | jbevren: hmm, had an idea, maybe just take the top off the pixter |
| 18:53.29 | flyback | that's my #1 problem for the last yrs |
| 18:53.31 | prpplague | that has the lcd, the buttons and audio |
| 18:53.34 | flyback | why I never actually do anything |
| 18:53.46 | jbevren | I dont cause I have horrid luck |
| 18:53.55 | flyback | me too |
| 18:53.57 | jbevren | although, the progress I made on the pixter with little help from prpplague encouraged me :) |
| 18:53.59 | flyback | I can fix anyone's pc |
| 18:54.05 | flyback | I saved a college $15,000 once |
| 18:54.07 | jbevren | I had to make my jtagger -and- the pixter worka t the same time :) |
| 18:54.19 | flyback | cause I got a 98 pc reloaded to go with a guy that was being flown to a new state dept |
| 18:54.25 | flyback | the hd had failed and I got it done in 5 hrs |
| 18:54.26 | jbevren | its like shooting int he dark and hitting two targets at once :) |
| 18:54.31 | flyback | but when it comes to my own stuff |
| 18:54.34 | flyback | I am damned |
| 18:54.39 | prpplague | jbevren: hey if we just take the top we could mount that to a board |
| 18:54.41 | flyback | I have had to take stuff back to the store 5 times |
| 18:54.44 | flyback | cause I always get the DOA |
| 18:54.47 | jbevren | prpplague: indeed |
| 18:54.51 | jbevren | and extend things that way |
| 18:55.20 | prpplague | the only items we'd need is power, and the calibrate button |
| 18:55.57 | prpplague | yea you could drill 4 holes |
| 18:56.06 | prpplague | and mount it with wood screws |
| 18:56.10 | jbevren | cool |
| 18:56.34 | flyback | what gauge wire do you use for things like the pixter or juicebox |
| 18:56.48 | prpplague | flyback: whatever you can solder easily with |
| 18:56.59 | flyback | I usually solder by trying to dip solder off the tip |
| 18:57.03 | flyback | drip |
| 18:57.10 | flyback | and I still manage to melt the wire :/ |
| 18:57.15 | jbevren | for close stuff, I tin both sides and just heat the joint |
| 18:57.18 | jbevren | oh |
| 18:57.20 | prpplague | jbevren: so i'd need to bring out, just the jtag, the cardedge and CS0 and CS1 |
| 18:57.21 | jbevren | your iron's too hot |
| 18:57.25 | flyback | :/ |
| 18:57.29 | jbevren | what wattage is it |
| 18:57.34 | flyback | hmm |
| 18:57.40 | prpplague | jbevren: oh and power |
| 18:57.46 | jbevren | yeah |
| 18:57.51 | prpplague | jbevren: and calibrate button |
| 18:57.56 | jbevren | oh |
| 18:57.57 | jbevren | right |
| 18:57.58 | prpplague | jbevren: what do you think? |
| 18:58.00 | jbevren | forgot about that :) |
| 18:58.02 | jbevren | sounds good |
| 18:58.10 | flyback | 30 |
| 18:58.12 | jbevren | so the developer area is above the top? |
| 18:58.12 | flyback | vec228 |
| 18:58.18 | jbevren | flyback: get a 15w from radioshack |
| 18:58.23 | flyback | paid $5 even has grounded tip I was shocked |
| 18:58.26 | flyback | I have a 23 watt weller also |
| 18:58.30 | flyback | but I think the tip is shot |
| 18:58.31 | jbevren | and, dont use your solder drop method :) |
| 18:58.40 | jbevren | the reason is, you dont get the flux onto the wires doing that |
| 18:58.47 | flyback | yeah but heading the joint or wire doesn't that burn stuff? |
| 18:58.48 | jbevren | if you flux the wires, solder will wick right in |
| 18:58.58 | flyback | hmm |
| 18:58.59 | flyback | flux |
| 18:59.03 | jbevren | not if you spend like 1sec on it |
| 18:59.11 | jbevren | metals wont join without flux |
| 18:59.15 | jbevren | most solders have flux core |
| 18:59.21 | flyback | meaning? |
| 18:59.24 | prpplague | jbevren: the only thing is we;d need 4 spacers to raise it up off the board just a little |
| 18:59.29 | flyback | do I need that yellow shit that gets on everything? |
| 18:59.32 | jbevren | flyback: the solder wire is actually a tube |
| 18:59.39 | jbevren | inside this tube is a flux core |
| 18:59.55 | jbevren | so if you apply solder directly to the wire instead of to the iron then the wire, it'll flux the wire and sodler nicely |
| 19:00.44 | flyback | damn |
| 19:00.56 | flyback | wearing my glasses for the first time in 8 months helps also :/ |
| 19:01.03 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:01.05 | jbevren | vision is good |
| 19:01.11 | flyback | oh I can see without them |
| 19:01.14 | flyback | but it's much easier with |
| 19:01.18 | prpplague | ok i think this is getting clearer |
| 19:01.25 | flyback | prpplague cool :) |
| 19:01.33 | flyback | how is your company doing? |
| 19:01.35 | jbevren | now if only the ticket count would go up |
| 19:01.39 | prpplague | flyback: ?? |
| 19:01.48 | flyback | the company you work for, business good? |
| 19:01.57 | jbevren | at the price they sell their stuff? |
| 19:01.57 | prpplague | flyback: very |
| 19:01.58 | jbevren | yeah. |
| 19:01.59 | jbevren | haha |
| 19:02.03 | flyback | excellent |
| 19:02.16 | jbevren | if only prp could convince them to let him finish the l-node |
| 19:02.28 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe |
| 19:02.29 | prpplague | jbevren: yea |
| 19:02.33 | flyback | oh the other day I didn't mean I wanted the stuff to become cheap and sell in walmart, I mean't I wanted to see it become more obiquidus |
| 19:02.36 | flyback | yes I can't spell |
| 19:02.37 | prpplague | jbevren: the l-node got revamped |
| 19:03.31 | jbevren | ubiquitous(sp?) |
| 19:03.35 | jbevren | oh wrong channel |
| 19:03.36 | jbevren | heh |
| 19:03.46 | flyback | yes thx |
| 19:03.55 | jbevren | not sure if thats right |
| 19:04.10 | flyback | there is still a good bit of hesitation in businesses for some of the stuff that prpplague works on |
| 19:04.14 | flyback | not sure if it's worth the $$$ |
| 19:04.29 | flyback | (I think it is 90% of the time btw) |
| 19:05.00 | flyback | wish they would use more devices liek that in health care etc |
| 19:05.06 | flyback | no wonder insurance is so high |
| 19:05.49 | jbevren | devices in healthcare cost so much because they have so many safety fallbacks etc built-in |
| 19:05.55 | flyback | i've seen paperwork systems that are just pathetic |
| 19:06.02 | flyback | oh I know that I was talking about non critical |
| 19:06.06 | flyback | patient records etc |
| 19:06.34 | prpplague | jbevren: yea my next pixter dev board is just gonna use all but the calibrate button |
| 19:06.35 | flyback | not life support hear etc |
| 19:06.52 | flyback | those I understand |
| 19:06.56 | flyback | 1 bit error and people die :/ |
| 19:07.10 | flyback | like those stupid canucks that designed that radiation machine |
| 19:07.15 | flyback | wtf were they thinking |
| 19:07.59 | flyback | the previous model had a seperate hw fault board that locked the system out if the main board went wacky, and they felt the new model could do the same thing in software cheaper |
| 19:08.17 | jbevren | nod |
| 19:08.23 | jbevren | sorta like the microwave controller I want to do |
| 19:08.26 | flyback | stuff that like: YOU DO NOT TRY TO SAVE COST |
| 19:08.30 | prpplague | jbevren: ok i have a plan, hehe too bad its gonna take me a month to put it together |
| 19:08.31 | jbevren | if it crashes, by god the hardware WILL turn the magneto off :) |
| 19:08.39 | flyback | excellent :) |
| 19:08.51 | jbevren | I'll design it so you have to constantly twiddle a line in software to keep the mag on |
| 19:08.52 | flyback | people died pretty horrible when this thing fould up |
| 19:09.04 | flyback | jbe like a watchdog? |
| 19:09.13 | jbevren | flyback: yeah, in hardware |
| 19:09.20 | jbevren | if you stop twiddling (crash), the magneto turn soff within 1sec |
| 19:09.23 | flyback | cheers! |
| 19:10.35 | flyback | yes they were canadian btw |
| 19:10.38 | flyback | prpplague |
| 19:11.17 | prpplague | flyback |
| 19:11.33 | flyback | so use of the word canuck is legit :) |
| 19:11.57 | jbevren | that doesnt mean we're not tired of it :) |
| 19:12.26 | prpplague | flyback: not here it isn't |
| 19:12.26 | flyback | well I agreed to haul off any other use of the word :0 |
| 19:12.53 | flyback | grr |
| 19:13.30 | flyback | prpplague that site you gave me |
| 19:13.45 | flyback | I need a adaptor that actually is male, looks like a dummy tsop package with wires out |
| 19:13.48 | flyback | not seeing that |
| 19:14.02 | prpplague | flyback: why? |
| 19:14.16 | flyback | cause since a tsop is 2 rows of wires |
| 19:14.29 | prpplague | flyback: why wires? |
| 19:14.36 | flyback | i could use a flat bar iron modification to unsolder/solder it |
| 19:14.40 | flyback | oh it doesn't have to be wires |
| 19:14.43 | flyback | it could be something else |
| 19:14.50 | prpplague | flyback: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:15.05 | flyback | trying to make the juicebox mod with almost 0 cost :P |
| 19:15.14 | prpplague | flyback: ?? |
| 19:15.17 | flyback | or so cheap and easy, even a caveman could do it |
| 19:15.21 | flyback | dude sm and xd are not cheap |
| 19:15.23 | flyback | well mabye for you |
| 19:15.50 | prpplague | flyback: have to have NAND |
| 19:15.50 | flyback | yeah I know for that mod |
| 19:15.51 | prpplague | and sm is cheap |
| 19:15.57 | flyback | I am thinking about going after a rom mod |
| 19:16.14 | flyback | actually |
| 19:16.15 | prpplague | i bought my 64mb SM cards for #$3.99 each |
| 19:16.31 | flyback | does the jb have all the pins for programming a onboard flash chip |
| 19:16.34 | flyback | bah it's 3.3 nm |
| 19:16.37 | flyback | so much for that diea |
| 19:17.36 | flyback | ok |
| 19:17.55 | flyback | I am up to my a@@ in nor flash bios chips here |
| 19:18.06 | flyback | and I have a way to program them if not in the juicebox itself |
| 19:18.25 | flyback | I just realized I have some tsop roms too but they are +5 not 3.3 so they won't work |
| 19:18.50 | prpplague | flyback: the juice is useless with nor, unless you do some serious hacking |
| 19:19.22 | flyback | well I am looking just for enough code to load the rest from a serial port or just enough code to emulate a graphical lcd like a matrix orbital |
| 19:19.37 | flyback | for use as a pc case lcd mod or a display unit for something embedded such as a webpal |
| 19:19.42 | prpplague | flyback: the juicebox doesn't support booting from a x8 chip |
| 19:19.47 | flyback | not portable usable alone |
| 19:19.53 | flyback | isn't it's rom x8 ? |
| 19:19.58 | prpplague | no x16 |
| 19:20.01 | flyback | ok |
| 19:20.25 | flyback | guess the only solution then is the nand hack then |
| 19:20.36 | prpplague | flyback: or use some x16 nor |
| 19:20.37 | flyback | or just jtag + serial load on every bootup |
| 19:20.52 | flyback | yeah but I don't have any x16 so if I have to buy then I might as well do the nand hack |
| 19:20.56 | prpplague | jbevren: i could bring out the cardedge and jtag via a ribbon cable |
| 19:21.58 | flyback | what's the difference between a max232 and a 1488+1489 |
| 19:22.12 | prpplague | no clue |
| 19:22.39 | flyback | if it wasnt' for the max232 I could try the jtag + serial loader idea today :) |
| 19:22.49 | jbevren | http://www.lcdstudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13987#13987 |
| 19:22.54 | jbevren | I must find out where he gets his displays |
| 19:22.54 | flyback | well I gotta finish this server first as soon as my brain finishes working out the problem in my head |
| 19:23.03 | jbevren | prpplague: taht would work |
| 19:23.09 | jbevren | no worries over cable length on the bus? |
| 19:23.43 | flyback | jbevren did you see www.lcdgallery.net and www.lcdinfo.com |
| 19:23.59 | jbevren | thats where I got the link to lcdstudio |
| 19:24.02 | jbevren | I want an EL panel |
| 19:24.04 | jbevren | he has one |
| 19:24.06 | jbevren | waaaaaah :0 |
| 19:24.07 | flyback | ah:) |
| 19:24.08 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:24.31 | flyback | yuo mean the whole display is a big el? |
| 19:24.42 | jbevren | the pixels are EL pixels |
| 19:24.43 | prpplague | jbevren: things are starting to clear up for my ideas |
| 19:24.46 | flyback | wow |
| 19:24.53 | flyback | proabbly doesn't last long |
| 19:25.01 | jbevren | I want that or OLED |
| 19:25.08 | jbevren | shrug |
| 19:25.08 | flyback | brb gotta make a phone call and take care of business :P |
| 19:25.11 | jbevren | they do OK afaik |
| 19:25.18 | flyback | I thought el has really short lifespan |
| 19:25.46 | jbevren | eyah, but these are raster scan |
| 19:25.50 | jbevren | so their actual duty is <5% |
| 19:27.21 | flyback | oh dear my pastor is here |
| 19:31.13 | jbevren | Temperature ranges from -40° to +65°C. Lifetime to 75% light output is ca. 120.000 hours |
| 19:31.17 | jbevren | (that EL panel) |
| 19:31.34 | jbevren | 13 years |
| 19:31.38 | jbevren | and its still 75% bright |
| 19:32.11 | CosmicPenguin | Did somebody ping me? |
| 19:32.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think i did, but i forgot |
| 19:32.48 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 19:37.21 | jbevren | aha |
| 19:37.25 | jbevren | citadel used the EL panels |
| 19:37.49 | prpplague | jbevren: what do you think about a 44 pin 2mm connector? |
| 19:38.00 | prpplague | jbevren: like whats used on laptop hd's? |
| 19:38.07 | jbevren | hm |
| 19:38.13 | jbevren | if I could jab wires in, sure :) |
| 19:38.20 | jbevren | 190008721265 (ebay) |
| 19:38.23 | jbevren | IR touch-screen? |
| 19:38.26 | jbevren | heh |
| 19:49.32 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, with a rs-232 port you could use the pixter to program routers and such |
| 19:49.33 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:49.46 | prpplague | just wish i could figure out how to stuff some 802.11 into it |
| 19:50.30 | prpplague | i wonder if you could hardwire a cf card into it |
| 19:56.03 | flyback | can it do sdio? |
| 19:56.15 | jbevren | the pixter? nope |
| 19:56.17 | flyback | actually they make a serial to wireless bridge |
| 19:56.19 | flyback | I am pretty sure |
| 19:56.37 | flyback | once I finish disk cleanup, I will check |
| 19:56.38 | jbevren | yeah, but those are 10-grand devices heh |
| 19:56.42 | flyback | no |
| 19:56.42 | jbevren | that or theyre not available |
| 19:56.44 | flyback | this wasn't expensive |
| 19:56.46 | jbevren | we welcome links tho :) |
| 19:56.55 | flyback | yeah soon as eraser finishes it's run |
| 19:57.17 | jbevren | prpplague: how much do you know about highmem |
| 19:57.20 | prpplague | jbevren: i wonder if i could just hard wire a cf card into the bus |
| 19:57.27 | prpplague | jbevren: highmem? |
| 19:57.37 | jbevren | yeah, like the 4G highmem support to get >900M ram |
| 19:57.45 | jbevren | I have 4G ram but only get 3300M |
| 19:57.54 | prpplague | jbevren: not much at all, hehe |
| 19:57.58 | jbevren | aight |
| 19:58.04 | prpplague | jbevren: i'm usually going in the other direction |
| 19:58.10 | jbevren | heh |
| 19:58.23 | jbevren | I got 4G ram in my new workstation cause I got tired of firefox constantly taking the system out with its memory consumation |
| 19:58.56 | jbevren | I might just take one of the dimms out since I'm only getting a coulpe hundred megs out o fit |
| 19:59.10 | jbevren | find another box to hide it in :D |
| 19:59.23 | jbevren | afk, lunch |
| 19:59.39 | prpplague | jbevren: edtp.com has the airdrop stuff and they just use an avr |
| 19:59.47 | prpplague | jbevren: so it can't be that hard to wire up |
| 20:00.29 | flyback | give it to me |
| 20:00.30 | flyback | :) |
| 20:01.09 | prpplague | flyback: what? |
| 20:01.35 | flyback | I was talking to jbevren |
| 20:01.39 | flyback | if he had to remove any sdram |
| 20:01.57 | flyback | ok erase done lemme find that url |
| 20:02.25 | flyback | wait |
| 20:02.31 | flyback | can you bit bang usb or not? |
| 20:02.45 | prpplague | usb is easy, problem is no 5v source |
| 20:02.47 | flyback | witht he pixter |
| 20:02.48 | flyback | ah |
| 20:02.59 | flyback | what abotu a charge pump |
| 20:03.04 | flyback | or simple switcher |
| 20:03.14 | flyback | what voltage do you have to work with |
| 20:03.16 | prpplague | jbevren: check it out |
| 20:03.21 | prpplague | jbevren: edtp has their schematic |
| 20:03.31 | prpplague | jbevren: we could use a 802.11 cf card |
| 20:04.52 | prpplague | jbevren: gosh they have one that is based on a pic as well |
| 20:05.05 | flyback | hmm $115 so far and counting |
| 20:05.05 | prpplague | jbevren: ok i know what i want to build hehe |
| 20:05.12 | flyback | serial to 802.11b |
| 20:05.34 | prpplague | flyback: edtp.com |
| 20:05.47 | flyback | whoa |
| 20:05.51 | prpplague | flyback: if i was gonna get a rs-232 to 802.11 thats where i would get it from |
| 20:06.37 | flyback | oh $89 |
| 20:06.40 | flyback | not bad |
| 20:08.20 | prpplague | jbevren: i'd have to make a special driver |
| 20:08.47 | flyback | prpplague oh the horror! |
| 20:08.56 | flyback | what? a whole 5 mins for you? |
| 20:11.05 | prpplague | probably alot more than 5 minutes |
| 20:12.33 | prpplague | hmm |
| 20:14.21 | prpplague | hmm, wonder if could just use a gpio for iord and iowr |
| 20:16.57 | flyback | prpplague |
| 20:17.10 | flyback | how is the rtl8019as for embedded |
| 20:17.17 | flyback | like if I got a bunch of old isa nics with that chip |
| 20:18.15 | prpplague | its ok |
| 20:18.20 | prpplague | i prefer the enc28j60 though |
| 20:18.28 | flyback | hmm |
| 20:18.38 | flyback | my friend works for a recycler so i can ask for a bunch of stuff :P |
| 20:28.56 | flyback | whoa |
| 20:29.08 | flyback | that microchip lan chip is offered in dip |
| 20:30.24 | MonMotha | microchip does a lot of catering to old-fashioned methods of prototyping like breadboarding |
| 20:30.34 | MonMotha | many, many of their devices are offered in DIP |
| 20:31.02 | MonMotha | that said, I pretty much prefer SO over DIP nowadays for just about anything. It's still pretty darned easy to solder, but it's half the size |
| 20:31.12 | MonMotha | and making PCBs just keeps gettting cheaper |
| 20:33.35 | prpplague | hmm |
| 20:34.01 | prpplague | thats gonna take some power |
| 20:34.13 | prpplague | not sure if 4AA's is gonna cut it |
| 20:35.02 | *** join/#edev ccjoe (i=clrsrv@www.clearcore.com) |
| 20:35.09 | MonMotha | they make some pretty hefty NiMH stuff now |
| 20:35.16 | MonMotha | 2500mAh isn't uncommon |
| 20:36.27 | prpplague | yea |
| 20:36.32 | prpplague | MonMotha: i have some of those |
| 20:37.14 | prpplague | MonMotha: just wondering how much work it would be to get a cf slot working |
| 20:37.31 | prpplague | just wish some of the spi based 802.11b chips were available |
| 20:38.08 | flyback | actually |
| 20:39.37 | flyback | what about BT |
| 20:39.53 | prpplague | yea, thinking about that as well |
| 20:39.59 | prpplague | would prefer 802.11 though |
| 20:40.04 | flyback | yeah I know ... |
| 20:47.51 | prpplague | problem i think i'll have with the bt is i don't have any flow control for the two uarts that available on the cardedge |
| 20:48.00 | prpplague | the lh79524 ony has one uart with flow control |
| 20:48.10 | prpplague | and its multiplexed with the i2s |
| 20:48.55 | prpplague | i don't think ppp would work properly without flow control |
| 20:50.21 | prpplague | we could do it, but it would mean giving up the dac |
| 20:50.39 | flyback | so sue me prpplague |
| 20:50.40 | flyback | http://news.com.com/Robot+backers+turn+to+Linux/2100-11394_3-6094380.html?tag=nefd.top |
| 20:55.13 | prpplague | hmm, looks like the cts and rts might be contrable |
| 20:57.31 | prpplague | hmm nope only applies to uart0 |
| 20:57.33 | prpplague | crap |
| 20:57.39 | prpplague | what a poor design |
| 21:00.04 | sunrunner20 | Third, without a current limiter, you could toast your expensive “non user replaceable” iPod battery. |
| 21:00.05 | sunrunner20 | lol |
| 21:00.07 | sunrunner20 | NOT |
| 21:00.13 | sunrunner20 | the current limiter is INSIDE the ipod |
| 21:03.07 | sunrunner20 | ... |
| 21:03.13 | sunrunner20 | ipods do NOT need a stable power supply |
| 21:03.25 | sunrunner20 | btw |
| 21:03.26 | sunrunner20 | http://www.chrisdiclerico.com/2004/10/24/ipod-altoids-battery-pack-v2 |
| 21:03.29 | sunrunner20 | commenting on that page |
| 21:12.10 | jbevren | hm |
| 21:12.16 | jbevren | one ti 28a10bt and two LVDS transmitter ICs |
| 21:12.29 | prpplague | jbevren: ? |
| 21:12.38 | jbevren | the DVI->OpenLDI adapters |
| 21:13.34 | jbevren | oh, and a serial (config) rom |
| 21:13.49 | jbevren | cant find any info on the TI chip |
| 21:15.03 | prpplague | jbevren: what do you think about doing a cf card slot on the pixter? |
| 21:16.23 | GPSFan | prpplague: what are you needing or trying to do with 802.11? I got lost trying to read the scrollback. |
| 21:16.45 | prpplague | GPSFan: i just want to add some sort of wireless to the pixter, either bluetooth or 802.11 |
| 21:16.51 | prpplague | GPSFan: prefer 802.11 |
| 21:17.20 | GPSFan | you had some sdio 802.11 cards a while back don't they have an spi mode? |
| 21:18.06 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, problem is those are under NDA |
| 21:18.17 | prpplague | GPSFan: they require licensees and such |
| 21:18.29 | prpplague | GPSFan: they aren't released to the general public yet |
| 21:18.36 | GPSFan | the cards or the spec? |
| 21:18.51 | jbevren | prpplague: Did you figure out if you can wire it to the bus? |
| 21:18.52 | prpplague | jbevren: wire the cf card? |
| 21:18.55 | jbevren | yeah |
| 21:19.23 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, edtp.com has two examples of doing it using either a pic or avr |
| 21:19.29 | jbevren | cool |
| 21:19.31 | jbevren | go for it :D |
| 21:19.36 | jbevren | if we can get wifi off that, bonus |
| 21:19.38 | prpplague | jbevren: so we could do it with the arm easy |
| 21:19.45 | jbevren | these sandisk combo boards have pads for a rp-sma jack :) |
| 21:19.48 | prpplague | jbevren: but i'd need to do some driver hacking |
| 21:19.51 | GPSFan | prpplague: the cards or the spec? under nda? |
| 21:19.53 | jbevren | yeah |
| 21:19.58 | prpplague | GPSFan: both |
| 21:20.02 | GPSFan | prpplague: how about these? http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=S2Y-SDIOWLAN-11B |
| 21:20.12 | prpplague | GPSFan: hehe for the marvel on i had to sign an nda just to speak to a rep |
| 21:20.29 | jbevren | SDIO wlan |
| 21:20.42 | prpplague | yea i saw those, but i have no clue how to talk to them |
| 21:20.58 | prpplague | those would be perfect |
| 21:21.57 | prpplague | if i hacked the battery compartment to use something like a 7.5v camcorder battery i could use a usb host controller like the isp1161 |
| 21:22.10 | GPSFan | prpplague: you have seen the simplified sdio spec? it was hailed when it was released as linux's answer to supporting sdio stuff. |
| 21:22.11 | prpplague | but just running of 4xAA isn't gonna cut it for usb |
| 21:22.22 | jbevren | I have a handful of sandisk connectplus devices |
| 21:22.42 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea, that tells me how to handle the SDIO portion, but not the rest of the registers for the wireless portion |
| 21:23.29 | sunrunner20 | prpplague: can you run the isp1161 as a "dummy" (ie, no device to transfer data too) |
| 21:23.40 | prpplague | sunrunner20: ?? |
| 21:23.48 | prpplague | sunrunner20: i didn't follow that |
| 21:24.25 | sunrunner20 | it doesn't acctually need anything to tell it to tansfer data |
| 21:24.40 | sunrunner20 | ie |
| 21:24.45 | prpplague | sunrunner20: sorry, still not following |
| 21:25.01 | GPSFan | prpplague: ah, gotcha. my bad... I guess you could always set one up under windoze and monitor the spi traffic and figure it out. |
| 21:25.04 | sunrunner20 | i could use it purely to tell the ipod that its hooked to USB2.0 but never transfer data |
| 21:25.35 | GPSFan | prpplague: but you having been under nda for those other cards might be contiminated. ;>( |
| 21:25.56 | prpplague | sunrunner20: oh, no the isp1161 needs a some sort of processor connected to it |
| 21:26.06 | prpplague | GPSFan: yea |
| 21:26.50 | prpplague | well a standard sony camcorder battery fits into the pixter battery case area |
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| 22:05.01 | flyback | is silver solder lead free as shitty and as hard to work with and fouls up iron tips as much as other lead free vs lead solder |
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| 23:06.03 | jbevren | schwing |
| 23:06.14 | jbevren | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.16 | jbevren | :D |
| 23:06.21 | jbevren | triplehead engaged |
| 23:06.43 | jbevren | flyback: I dont mind the silver solder |
| 23:34.32 | flyback | well does it have issues ? |
| 23:34.39 | flyback | or does any radio shack solder have issues ? |
| 23:34.50 | flyback | he radio shack stuff I was using the olther might was 63/27 |
| 23:34.56 | flyback | the stuff I ordered is 60/40 |
| 23:35.17 | flyback | www.qualitek.com is the stuff I ordered |
| 23:35.30 | flyback | I am just starting to think mabye that's part of my problem |
| 23:35.34 | flyback | was crummy tools |
| 23:35.44 | flyback | i found my 23 watt well since you guys said the 30 watt is too hot |
| 23:35.50 | flyback | only issue is the weller is not grounded tip |
| 23:37.49 | flyback | w00t |
| 23:37.50 | flyback | score |
| 23:37.51 | flyback | Solder Wire 0.032" 60Sn/40Pb 21 Gauge 1/2LB |
| 23:37.51 | flyback | Qualitek P/N 50-30521 |
| 23:37.51 | flyback | Quality Rosin Core Solder by Qualitek and ISO 9002 certified company. This wire solder is made in the U.S.A of virgin materials to maintain the highest and most consistent quality |
| 23:37.51 | flyback | The RA300 (3.3% rosin activated) cored solder is one of the most universally used type of solder wire used in the electronics and electrical markets today. It has rapid wetting and spreading properties and leaves little resideu which usually needs NO cleaning. |
