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| 01:20.24 | T0mW | GPSFan: I registered: openzipit.org |
| 01:37.08 | GPSFan | T0mW: hey, that's great, you gonna host it at your place? |
| 01:37.27 | flyback | CANUCKfan |
| 01:37.30 | flyback | you need to see this |
| 01:37.31 | T0mW | GPSFan: yeah, if the server can keep running |
| 01:37.31 | flyback | NOW |
| 01:37.59 | flyback | GPSFan http://www.smsc.com/main/catalog/ethernet.html |
| 01:37.59 | T0mW | GPSFan: I figure to experiment with the ipkg stuff that way |
| 01:38.13 | flyback | btw do either of you know if the juicebox can program a flash nor chip |
| 01:38.16 | flyback | if you replace the rom |
| 01:38.41 | flyback | does it have all the pins onboard to program |
| 01:39.08 | flyback | dude look at the non-pci products on that page |
| 01:39.19 | flyback | they got a bunch of 10/100 chips you can attach to a isa bus or anything else |
| 01:39.48 | GPSFan | flyback: ask prplague, he's mr juicebox. I've got too many irons in the fire to do much of anything else right now. |
| 01:40.05 | flyback | I understand |
| 01:40.09 | flyback | but please do check that page |
| 01:40.11 | flyback | the specs look awesome |
| 01:40.19 | flyback | obviously you aren't gonig to get 100mbut on a isa bus |
| 01:40.21 | flyback | but you can do more than 10 |
| 01:40.48 | flyback | oh yeah also |
| 01:40.54 | flyback | they will go from 32 to 16 or 8 bits |
| 01:40.58 | flyback | depending on the chip |
| 01:41.00 | GPSFan | T0mW: if the wifi driver patches can get ported to the new gpl'd code then thet's the last obsticle to a new kernel version. |
| 01:41.34 | FireEgl | =D |
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| 02:55.36 | flyback | m29f102b-70n1 st maxtor 7 gig tsop 64kbx16 |
| 02:55.37 | flyback | m28f102-100n1 st maxtor 4 gig tsop 64kbx16 |
| 02:55.37 | flyback | m29f102b-70n1 st fuji mpd3043at tsop 64kbx16 |
| 02:55.37 | flyback | m29f102bb 35k1 st tsop-48 wd 15 gig 64kbx16 |
| 02:55.37 | flyback | at49f1025 70jc atmel fuji 6.4 plcc-48 64kbx16 |
| 02:55.37 | flyback | at49f1025 45jc samsung 4.3 plcc-48 64kbx16 |
| 02:55.38 | flyback | tc58f010ft |
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| 12:40.47 | T0mW | GPSFan: http://www.openzipit.org |
| 12:41.20 | T0mW | GPSFan: can you reach it? |
| 12:50.31 | GPSFan | T0mW: yep, looks nice. was able to dl the buildroot. what's different from the one I got the other day? |
| 12:50.45 | T0mW | just some cleanup |
| 12:51.48 | T0mW | I think I'm finally starting to get a clue about css |
| 12:56.06 | GPSFan | T0mW: I'd never seen the Aeronix zipit site before. You hear anything more form the guy that said he was porting the wifi patches? |
| 12:56.30 | T0mW | Not yet |
| 12:56.51 | GPSFan | need to come up with a good favicon for the site.. |
| 12:57.00 | T0mW | GPSFan: he wanted to know what changes I had to make to get the kernel to build under gcc-3.4 |
| 12:58.00 | T0mW | GPSFan: you know or use ipkg stuff? |
| 12:58.33 | T0mW | do you need anything special on the server side, or just apache? |
| 12:58.42 | GPSFan | T0mW: I've loaded a few packages onto my ipaq with it, and onto my nslu2, but nothing beyond that. |
| 12:59.19 | T0mW | GPSFan: I need sleep, cul |
| 12:59.32 | GPSFan | nignt.. |
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| 13:20.20 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
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| 17:18.48 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 17:22.10 | prpplague | jbevren: ping ping |
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| 19:16.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey |
| 19:16.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you alive? |
| 19:16.34 | CosmicPenguin | I am |
| 19:16.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: when ya headed out to OLS? |
| 19:17.31 | CosmicPenguin | I was going to go out on Tuesday, but we have an important meeting on Tuesday to discuss our future |
| 19:17.37 | CosmicPenguin | so I'm probably going to delay that until Wed |
| 19:17.49 | CosmicPenguin | I hope to be in by the evening BOFs and the opening drinking session |
| 19:18.36 | prpplague | ahh |
| 19:19.13 | CosmicPenguin | I wasn't going to come at all |
| 19:19.26 | prpplague | yea? that bad? |
| 19:19.27 | CosmicPenguin | Because if I dont' take my new job offer, my employment ends on WEd |
| 19:19.41 | prpplague | yea that could be a problem |
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| 19:19.48 | CosmicPenguin | But I've decided to take the job for now |
| 19:19.51 | CosmicPenguin | to expand my options |
| 19:19.57 | prpplague | isn't AMD suppsoe to help with the expenses for OLS? |
| 19:20.07 | CosmicPenguin | Its fully paid if I am employed.. :) |
| 19:20.21 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:20.21 | CosmicPenguin | But its more to the fact that if I bailed on the job, my office would need to be cleaned out |
| 19:20.29 | CosmicPenguin | I would need to get my severance package, etc, etc |
| 19:20.53 | prpplague | yea |
| 19:21.03 | CosmicPenguin | For a while there it was in question - the severance is over 2 months |
| 19:21.17 | CosmicPenguin | so if I could get a quick jiob, then I could have some extra cash laying about |
| 19:21.41 | CosmicPenguin | Because the job we are transitioning to doesn't sound very good (right now) |
| 19:22.15 | CosmicPenguin | But then I figured that the risk of not getting a good job in 2 months outweighted the benefit of possibly double-dipping |
| 19:23.06 | prpplague | double-dipping? |
| 19:23.22 | CosmicPenguin | Well, not having to use the severance to, you know... live |
| 19:25.46 | CosmicPenguin | So, i'm taking the job (which doesn't change much in the next 6 months) |
| 19:25.52 | CosmicPenguin | and go from there |
| 19:26.10 | CosmicPenguin | The job might sound better on Tuesday when we talk to the VP who is taking our group on |
| 19:26.18 | CosmicPenguin | so far we've only heard from marketing |
| 19:29.41 | prpplague | oh great |
| 19:30.00 | prpplague | that doesn't boed well if all you've heard from is marketing |
| 19:31.13 | CosmicPenguin | marketing was the only group that was prepared |
| 19:31.36 | CosmicPenguin | They orchestrated this whole... event |
| 19:32.19 | prpplague | i see |
| 19:35.07 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i think i've figured out how to add USB host to the pixter |
| 19:35.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: just not sure how long it will last on 4 AA batteries |
| 19:38.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: if you are using 2100mA rechargables, you'd get about 4 hours of continuous usage with an 802.11b dongle |
| 20:06.30 | flyback | prpplague |
| 20:06.35 | flyback | pay attention :) |
| 20:06.41 | flyback | I been trying to get you for 2 days |
| 20:07.28 | flyback | prpplague http://www.smsc.com/main/catalog/ethernet.html <--- check the non-pci products |
| 20:08.20 | flyback | some of those can switch between 32, 16 or 8 bit interfaces |
| 20:09.34 | prpplague | yea, i'm familiar with those |
| 20:09.49 | flyback | ok :) |
| 20:09.54 | prpplague | flyback: was there a specific reason you wanted me to see those? |
| 20:10.01 | flyback | yea I wasn't sure if you knew about them |
| 20:10.16 | flyback | you can have a 10/100 on someting that doesn't have a pci interface |
| 20:10.28 | flyback | obviously mabye not the full thruput but still cool |
| 20:10.37 | prpplague | flyback: yea, there are lots of chips out there now that do that |
| 20:10.45 | prpplague | flyback: cs8900 and rtl8019 |
| 20:10.51 | flyback | no those are 10mbit only |
| 20:10.55 | prpplague | flyback: but i prefer the enc28j60 anyway |
| 20:11.04 | flyback | this is 10/100 |
| 20:11.10 | prpplague | flyback: no they'll do 10/100, just that most people don't |
| 20:11.24 | prpplague | flyback: i rarely have need of 100mb |
| 20:11.37 | flyback | uhh I read the specs on the 8900 it said 10mbit and the same with the 8019 |
| 20:12.07 | flyback | yeah looking at the pdf now |
| 20:12.51 | flyback | same they are both 10mbit only |
| 20:13.18 | flyback | that was the whole reason I wanted you to see these was the option to use 100mbit |
| 20:13.21 | flyback | or at least > 10 |
| 20:13.38 | prpplague | yea my bad, i there is another rtl one that does 10/100 |
| 20:13.49 | prpplague | flyback: use it with what? |
| 20:13.57 | flyback | dunno yet :) |
| 20:14.09 | flyback | just nice to have the option for a emebeded device without pci |
| 20:14.19 | prpplague | flyback: hint, usually you provide information that is related to a request or problem |
| 20:14.39 | prpplague | flyback: just spontaineously spouting info, isn't very usefull |
| 20:15.02 | flyback | ok |
| 20:15.17 | CosmicPenguin | This new Food Network show is pretty coo |
| 20:15.18 | CosmicPenguin | l |
| 20:15.26 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: which one? |
| 20:15.31 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the new elton brown one? |
| 20:15.32 | CosmicPenguin | Throwdown? |
| 20:15.38 | prpplague | ahh |
| 20:15.44 | CosmicPenguin | Bobby Flay shows up and challenges people to a cook off |
| 20:15.47 | CosmicPenguin | they don't know its coming |
| 20:15.50 | prpplague | hehe |
| 20:16.24 | flyback | prpplague oh I know what I wanted to ask you |
| 20:16.37 | flyback | does the juicebox have the pins and capability to program it's onboard rom |
| 20:17.10 | prpplague | flyback: well, you might start by looking up the definition of rom |
| 20:17.22 | flyback | dude don't be a smart ass :) |
| 20:17.32 | flyback | you know what I am talking about, otp or flash |
| 20:17.38 | prpplague | its OTP |
| 20:17.47 | flyback | if I replaced it! |
| 20:18.08 | prpplague | flyback: if you replaced it then just use jtag to program it |
| 20:18.34 | flyback | yeah I knew I had to use jtag but I wasn't sure if they attached all the lines necessary to program a eeprom or otp |
| 20:18.52 | flyback | I found a source of 16 bit eeproms last night :P |
| 20:18.56 | prpplague | flyback: of course the did, how else would they program it? |
| 20:19.15 | flyback | figured they probably preprogrammed them at the factory |
| 20:19.19 | flyback | since it was mass production |
| 20:19.36 | prpplague | flyback: can't using the CoB method |
| 20:19.42 | prpplague | flyback: would have problems |
| 20:19.43 | flyback | hmm true |
| 20:20.18 | flyback | now I just gotta figure out the voltages |
| 20:21.48 | flyback | thx |
| 20:23.48 | flyback | damn 3.3 |
| 20:24.44 | prpplague | flyback: you still trying to put some of those old eproms on the juicebox? |
| 20:24.48 | flyback | yeah :P |
| 20:25.00 | flyback | just an idea to float in my head for now |
| 20:25.07 | flyback | just curious to see all the steps required |
| 20:25.12 | flyback | not necessarily going to do it |
| 20:25.27 | prpplague | flyback: for the cost of the level shifters and all the work, it would be easier just to get a 3.3v x16 chip |
| 20:25.37 | flyback | just trying to keep my knowledge flexiable in a pinch |
| 20:25.45 | flyback | yeah I know like I said I just wanted to see the picture in my mind |
| 20:26.10 | flyback | well the level shifters are free :P |
| 20:26.16 | flyback | but not worth the aggrovation |
| 20:26.31 | flyback | do you know how much of the juicebox rom is wasted on the demo vids |
| 20:27.21 | prpplague | no why? |
| 20:27.34 | flyback | just curious to if we really need 8 meg to be useful with linux |
| 20:28.09 | prpplague | no, i can do it in just 1mb if wanted to |
| 20:28.30 | flyback | thx |
| 20:29.00 | flyback | i'm actually thinking even if just 512kb-1 meg for a serial bootloader for applications where it's only going to be used as a display lcd slaved to another device |
| 20:29.13 | flyback | depends on the cost of roms |
| 20:29.38 | flyback | OH SHIT! |
| 20:29.48 | prpplague | flyback: language |
| 20:29.53 | flyback | sorry |
| 20:30.01 | prpplague | flyback: and you only need 16kb for the bootloader |
| 20:30.22 | prpplague | you could get by with 8kb |
| 20:30.24 | flyback | cool |
| 20:32.13 | flyback | i'm not disputing your hack, that's the best way to go if you plan to the juicebox standalone |
| 20:32.22 | flyback | it's just a total waste for a slave device |
| 20:32.35 | prpplague | flyback: why? |
| 20:32.56 | prpplague | flyback: you can use the same procedure to boot any application |
| 20:33.27 | flyback | cost though |
| 20:33.37 | prpplague | $5 ? |
| 20:33.42 | flyback | isn't it like $10 for the reader you hack and around $5-$10 for the memory |
| 20:33.46 | flyback | hmm cheaper than I remeber |
| 20:34.16 | prpplague | flyback: the reader was optional |
| 20:34.24 | prpplague | flyback: and the smartmedia was just $5 |
| 20:34.34 | flyback | oh I see you could solder wires right to the header? |
| 20:34.43 | flyback | just do away with the socket? |
| 20:34.55 | prpplague | yea |
| 20:35.05 | flyback | ah |
| 20:35.28 | flyback | NEVERMIND! |
| 20:37.24 | flyback | prpplague mind if I paste a link to a place selling flash pretty cheap? |
| 20:38.02 | flyback | hmm they quit selling SM :/ |
| 20:38.59 | prpplague | flyback: yea SM is being phased out, so you'll be able to find deals on them on and off |
| 20:39.08 | flyback | cool |
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| 22:44.40 | flyback | opps forgot I was still here |
| 22:44.40 | flyback | hrh |