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| 00:21.28 | prpplague | ho ho ho |
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| 00:26.31 | CosmicPenguin | he hath returned |
| 00:33.28 | prpplague | hehe |
| 00:33.39 | prpplague | shell access to elinux.org has finally be restored |
| 00:33.57 | prpplague | i felt like i'd lost my right hand without being able to document my stuff on elinux |
| 00:34.23 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok so i've figured out how to add usb host to the pixter |
| 00:34.38 | prpplague | which means i can add either a bt dongle or 802.11b |
| 00:35.18 | prpplague | my only issue now, is to decide if i want to add 1 or 2 host ports |
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| 00:39.44 | CosmicPenguin | just do a BT dongle |
| 00:39.56 | CosmicPenguin | 802.11b is overkill |
| 00:40.11 | CosmicPenguin | well, not quite overkill |
| 00:40.14 | prpplague | yea? |
| 00:40.14 | CosmicPenguin | but its limited |
| 00:40.20 | prpplague | why limited? |
| 00:40.33 | CosmicPenguin | well - duh, it can only do wireless networking... :) |
| 00:40.50 | CosmicPenguin | BT can do serial, network, audio, etc, etc |
| 00:41.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ahh i see your point |
| 00:41.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: but what i was thinking was maybe one port for wireless, and the other for something like a thumbdrive or other gadget |
| 00:41.56 | CosmicPenguin | won't that be too much juice? |
| 00:42.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: well most of the other small gadgets are less than 100mA |
| 00:42.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: really the only big draw is 802.11 |
| 00:42.37 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: bt is also less than 100mA |
| 00:42.45 | CosmicPenguin | further proof |
| 00:43.04 | CosmicPenguin | plus, with BT, it will work with your cell phone |
| 00:45.05 | prpplague | yea |
| 00:45.18 | prpplague | still the question is one or twoports? |
| 00:45.35 | prpplague | i guess if you needed two you could get a small unpowered hub |
| 00:46.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i was planning on adding a sd/mmc slot |
| 00:46.40 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so you'd have one sd/mmc slot and the usb-host |
| 00:51.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, all the bt usb dongles i'm seeing are less than 100mA |
| 00:51.54 | CosmicPenguin | What ever happened to the BT that hooked on the SPI? |
| 00:52.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: is there one? |
| 00:54.51 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hmm, everything i see that has spi port is strictly for firmware |
| 00:57.07 | CosmicPenguin | you posted the URL about a week ago |
| 00:58.54 | prpplague | http://www.tdc.co.uk/marketing/press/290502_siemo.htm |
| 00:59.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: from sparkfun? that was rs-232 only |
| 01:01.59 | prpplague | hmm |
| 01:02.13 | prpplague | i found several bt modules that are 3.3v only and have spi |
| 01:04.06 | prpplague | i take that back |
| 01:04.14 | prpplague | seems all of these use the spi for firmware only |
| 01:15.30 | MonMotha | prpplague: they use a UART for actual data transfer? |
| 01:19.02 | CosmicPenguin | oh, yeah - it was a RS232 |
| 01:19.07 | CosmicPenguin | what was wrong with that? |
| 01:20.03 | prpplague | i don't have any control signals for the uarts |
| 01:20.06 | CosmicPenguin | prpplague: apparently, your neighborhood is a hot spot |
| 01:20.15 | prpplague | i have 3 uarts , no cts/rts to use |
| 01:20.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 01:20.38 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: when a dvd costs $100 USD, there tends to be some piracy |
| 01:20.51 | CosmicPenguin | I mean piracy on boats.... |
| 01:20.52 | CosmicPenguin | sily |
| 01:20.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 01:21.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea, there is still some around, hehe |
| 01:23.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the only way i could use one of those bt modules, is if i added a uart |
| 01:23.13 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: maxim ic has a spi to rs-232 chip |
| 01:23.49 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: that would be easier than usb to add, but doesn't give you as much flexibility |
| 01:26.43 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i assume you just run ppp over the bt connection for tcpip right? |
| 01:34.10 | prpplague | http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?Ref=73200&Row=204446&Site=US |
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| 01:34.27 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea basically it makes a virtual comport |
| 01:39.49 | MonMotha | prpplague: yeah, that's what I was going to suggest |
| 01:40.00 | MonMotha | they have them both that do TTL levels and with built-in RS-232 level shifters |
| 01:40.36 | flyback | damn |
| 01:40.39 | flyback | bt chips are expensive |
| 01:40.56 | MonMotha | they also include some extra lines for RTS/CTS |
| 01:40.57 | flyback | what if you get a usb one with a known chip that can be usb or some other interface and rip it out |
| 01:40.59 | flyback | be like $8 |
| 01:41.13 | MonMotha | you can't do that for production... |
| 01:41.30 | flyback | oh he's doing production |
| 01:41.39 | flyback | thought this was just for his home hacking pixter project |
| 01:42.07 | MonMotha | if that's the case, you can sometimes pull that off, yes |
| 01:42.13 | MonMotha | but it's still a fscking pain in the ass |
| 01:42.21 | flyback | I didn't think for you guys |
| 01:42.34 | MonMotha | compared to just ordering a free sample of some chip? yeah, it's a pain |
| 01:42.42 | flyback | oh you can get free samples of that chip? |
| 01:42.43 | flyback | wow |
| 01:42.49 | MonMotha | from Maxim? certainly |
| 01:42.54 | MonMotha | Maxim gives samples of just about anything |
| 01:43.02 | flyback | BT? |
| 01:43.04 | flyback | wow |
| 01:43.06 | MonMotha | depends on the maker |
| 01:43.11 | MonMotha | Maxim doesn't make bluetooth stuff |
| 01:43.22 | MonMotha | lots of places will happily give out freebies |
| 01:43.28 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, its the rts/cts that is a problem |
| 01:43.36 | MonMotha | prpplague: no spare GPIOs? |
| 01:43.37 | prpplague | MonMotha: none of my available uarts have cts/rts |
| 01:43.45 | flyback | monmontha I always felt guilty about using those :/ |
| 01:43.46 | prpplague | MonMotha: i have gpios |
| 01:43.48 | flyback | free samples |
| 01:44.01 | MonMotha | prpplague: then there's your RTS/CTS :) |
| 01:44.06 | prpplague | MonMotha: you suggesting i just bit bang the rts/cts? |
| 01:44.09 | MonMotha | yeah |
| 01:44.13 | MonMotha | that's all the Maxim parts do |
| 01:44.13 | prpplague | MonMotha: i'd have to hack the driver |
| 01:44.29 | MonMotha | many, many UARTs seem to have software controlled handshaking lines |
| 01:44.31 | prpplague | MonMotha: but they wouldn't be attached to the fifo |
| 01:44.48 | prpplague | MonMotha: hmm, guess i've missed out on those |
| 01:45.04 | prpplague | MonMotha: i've always used ones that have fifo based interrupts |
| 01:45.26 | MonMotha | prpplague: yeah, when you service the UART interrupt, at the end of the ISR check to see if RTS is asserted, if so, assert CTS once you're sure the FIFO is empty. Then just make sure you'll service the interrupt again before the fifo can get full |
| 01:45.46 | prpplague | ahh |
| 01:46.30 | prpplague | MonMotha: well in that case i can use the units from sparkfun, or those modules from digikey |
| 01:46.47 | prpplague | http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=148 |
| 01:47.03 | MonMotha | prpplague: on the Maxim SPI UART parts, the RTS and CTS lines are software controlled, so that would be no different |
| 01:47.16 | prpplague | MonMotha: ahh didn't know that |
| 01:47.23 | prpplague | MonMotha: you've used on of those? |
| 01:47.26 | MonMotha | I have |
| 01:47.38 | prpplague | ahh |
| 01:47.41 | MonMotha | they work fine, just have to make sure your flow control stuff is clean |
| 01:48.06 | prpplague | well if i can just use gpio's for the rts/cts, then no need |
| 01:48.23 | MonMotha | the only UART I can think of off hand with hardware control of the flow control lines is the 16C550, which is common, but not on embedded stuff |
| 01:48.53 | prpplague | MonMotha: ahh, most of the arm devices i work with have rts/cts hardware based |
| 01:48.56 | MonMotha | the 16550 is actually a pretty overblown device |
| 01:49.11 | MonMotha | yeah, I can imagine some onboard UARTs would have that, too |
| 01:49.30 | MonMotha | I'm used to working with smaller micros (8051s, AVRs, etc.) where you have to handle that yourself |
| 01:49.39 | MonMotha | of course, those often don't even have FIFOs for the UART :) |
| 01:49.45 | prpplague | yea |
| 01:50.04 | MonMotha | I've done software FIFOs before |
| 01:50.26 | MonMotha | you make the ISR for the UART just be a tiny routine that is guaranteed to run fast enough (usually has to be written in asm) that just chucks the data into a queue |
| 01:50.32 | prpplague | MonMotha: so whatcha think then? pixter-mm with 16mb nor flash, sd/mmc (bitbanged) , and bluetooth |
| 01:50.37 | MonMotha | then you use flags to allow the main loop to process things |
| 01:50.45 | MonMotha | wifi? |
| 01:51.07 | prpplague | MonMotha: well thats what i've been trying to decide |
| 01:51.16 | MonMotha | or IR |
| 01:51.27 | prpplague | MonMotha: the only way to get 802.11 easily would be to add a usb host port |
| 01:51.36 | MonMotha | no SPI 802.11 chips? |
| 01:51.42 | prpplague | MonMotha: IrDA woul dbe easy |
| 01:51.51 | prpplague | MonMotha: all are licensed items right now |
| 01:52.03 | MonMotha | well, I'm not talking IrDA - I'm thinking overblown TV remote control |
| 01:52.19 | MonMotha | BT would work for HTPCs, but not regular AV equipment |
| 01:52.35 | prpplague | MonMotha: whats the difference in the ir ? frequency? |
| 01:52.44 | flyback | yeah prpplague is such a dumbf**** |
| 01:52.48 | flyback | :P |
| 01:52.54 | MonMotha | IrDA defines a line code and a software protocol stack |
| 01:53.13 | prpplague | ahh |
| 01:53.17 | MonMotha | most remote controls don't use that, and often use a different carrier frequency as well |
| 01:53.20 | MonMotha | so you need much more general suppor |
| 01:53.21 | MonMotha | t |
| 01:53.32 | MonMotha | for most remote control stuff, you can bit-bang it easily since it's so low frequency |
| 01:53.32 | prpplague | MonMotha: so how would hook up a ir remote xmiter? |
| 01:53.37 | prpplague | MonMotha: just gpio it? |
| 01:53.42 | MonMotha | that's what I'd say |
| 01:53.52 | prpplague | sprry lag |
| 01:53.59 | MonMotha | if lirc can do it off the handshake lines from an RS-232 port, you can do it off a real GPIO :) |
| 01:54.18 | prpplague | MonMotha: i assume you'd want a receiver as well, to learn codes |
| 01:54.42 | MonMotha | probably a good idea |
| 01:54.53 | MonMotha | that said I won't be buying any of this, I've got other stuff |
| 01:54.56 | MonMotha | I'm just thinking of applications |
| 01:55.04 | MonMotha | those TV remotes get PRICEY |
| 01:55.07 | MonMotha | like $200+ |
| 01:55.19 | prpplague | yea, seen some of those |
| 01:55.19 | MonMotha | what kind of battery life are you expecting to be capable of? |
| 01:55.34 | MonMotha | aggressive power management allowed |
| 01:56.01 | prpplague | MonMotha: well, just a basic test with the pixter-mm , backlight on and motion video going, with 2100mAh batteries lasted almost 15 hours |
| 01:56.08 | flyback | just mod the damn thing to run off a seperate pack |
| 01:56.47 | MonMotha | prpplague: think you could get 2 weeks with agressive power management in an application like a TV remote? |
| 01:56.56 | MonMotha | infrequent use, light "duty cycle" |
| 01:57.00 | flyback | damn |
| 01:57.06 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, probably that easy |
| 01:57.09 | MonMotha | turn everything off after, say, 15 seconds of idle |
| 01:57.16 | MonMotha | ok, then you've got a usable remote control |
| 01:57.24 | MonMotha | especially if you can integrate battery charging |
| 01:57.40 | prpplague | yea, thats not there, no way to add that |
| 01:57.44 | MonMotha | ok |
| 01:57.47 | MonMotha | just uses AAs? |
| 01:57.49 | prpplague | yea |
| 01:57.52 | MonMotha | that's not bad then |
| 01:58.01 | MonMotha | 2 sets of Ni-MH |
| 01:58.05 | MonMotha | charge one while the other runs |
| 01:58.15 | prpplague | MonMotha: 4 AA's |
| 01:58.22 | MonMotha | most chargers do 4 at a time |
| 01:58.57 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, not sure i'd want to intergrate the charger, thats kinda out of my area of expertise |
| 01:59.24 | MonMotha | Ni-MH aren't too hard, but I'm not experienced with that, either |
| 01:59.46 | MonMotha | ask t0mW or the sparkfun forums. I know some of the people on sparkfun are brave enough to deal with Li-Ion |
| 01:59.52 | prpplague | hehe |
| 02:00.14 | prpplague | yea, i just keep going back and forth between using BT and 802.11 |
| 02:00.43 | MonMotha | depends on the app, really |
| 02:00.51 | prpplague | adding a usb host would open up a whole realm of uses |
| 02:01.01 | MonMotha | if you're talking about "around the house", it's all about 802.11 |
| 02:01.10 | MonMotha | if you'd doing mobile, you want BT to talk to cell phones |
| 02:01.17 | MonMotha | I guess you could add GSM/GPRS support |
| 02:01.21 | MonMotha | Sparkfun sells those modules |
| 02:01.23 | flyback | prpplague |
| 02:01.25 | MonMotha | and they're just UART |
| 02:01.32 | flyback | they have easy as pie charger ic's now |
| 02:01.41 | flyback | need like 1 inductor 1 cap, few resistors |
| 02:02.03 | prpplague | flyback: i know, its just not something i want to hack into the pixter |
| 02:02.27 | flyback | I understand :) |
| 02:02.44 | MonMotha | prpplague: using a full size SD slot or a mini? |
| 02:03.01 | flyback | hopefully this means the end of garbage dumb chargers |
| 02:03.04 | prpplague | MonMotha: i had planned on full size, since i have alot to use |
| 02:03.04 | flyback | that ruin batteries |
| 02:03.25 | MonMotha | prpplague: good |
| 02:04.03 | prpplague | MonMotha: like i said, the main reason i was looking at usb, was to make it a little more generic |
| 02:04.13 | MonMotha | prpplague: there are some embedded USB hosts |
| 02:04.14 | prpplague | MonMotha: that way people could use alot of other usb deviceas |
| 02:04.17 | MonMotha | Cypress makes one |
| 02:04.26 | MonMotha | and Linux supports ti |
| 02:04.33 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, i have a SL118HS and a ISP1161A |
| 02:05.00 | prpplague | MonMotha: the main issue was the 5v 500mA supply for the usb interface |
| 02:05.21 | MonMotha | prpplague: do OTG |
| 02:05.40 | MonMotha | you can be a host with no power or limited power |
| 02:05.40 | prpplague | MonMotha: i can use a max1896 to do the power |
| 02:05.52 | MonMotha | ok, that works, I guess |
| 02:06.00 | MonMotha | just have to watch out about what that'll do to battery life |
| 02:06.44 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, well if i use the 2100mAh batteries, that would give me about 4-5 hours continuous usage of 802.11 |
| 02:06.59 | MonMotha | that's not bad |
| 02:07.16 | prpplague | which from my research appears to on par with most PDA's |
| 02:07.29 | J4k3 | bah, trade them out with a lipo hand grenade. |
| 02:07.44 | MonMotha | prpplague: yeah, about right |
| 02:07.45 | prpplague | J4k3: ? |
| 02:07.54 | MonMotha | and you can get 2500mAh Ni-MH bats now |
| 02:08.17 | J4k3 | prpplague: "lipo hand grenade" = a lipo battery pack :) |
| 02:08.21 | prpplague | MonMotha: the BT usb dongle is only 100mA so that gives us a considerable savings |
| 02:08.28 | prpplague | J4k3: ahh |
| 02:08.46 | J4k3 | prpplague: also, most 802.11 stuff has adjustable txpower. You can get the power consumption down pretty low |
| 02:09.05 | MonMotha | yeah, it's amazing how much batt life depends on good PM software these days |
| 02:09.06 | prpplague | J4k3: yeam i was calculating on worst case values |
| 02:09.23 | J4k3 | yeah... same-room stuff can usually work fine off 5 mW |
| 02:09.31 | MonMotha | I know back when they were doing the ipaq 3600 work, there were often small changes committed that would almost double the battery life |
| 02:09.32 | J4k3 | even on 802.11a (5 ghz) |
| 02:09.47 | prpplague | soo.... i was thinking of using the sl118hs with the max1896 |
| 02:10.54 | MonMotha | prpplague: let me ask tomorrow at work if I can find something better than the max1896 |
| 02:10.59 | prpplague | if i do that, what we can use on it is virtualy limitkess |
| 02:11.15 | prpplague | MonMotha: ok thanks |
| 02:11.30 | MonMotha | 5V @ 500mA output? |
| 02:11.38 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea |
| 02:11.44 | MonMotha | any other requirements? |
| 02:11.54 | MonMotha | package, quiescent current, shutdown current? |
| 02:12.04 | MonMotha | obviously a shutdown is a good idea |
| 02:12.18 | prpplague | MonMotha: still learning, so, pretty much thats it at the moment |
| 02:12.22 | MonMotha | ok |
| 02:12.23 | prpplague | yea shutdown |
| 02:12.33 | prpplague | MonMotha: package needs to be easy to handsolder |
| 02:12.36 | MonMotha | can you solder a 6 lead SOT-23? |
| 02:12.42 | prpplague | yea |
| 02:13.02 | MonMotha | ok |
| 02:15.10 | MonMotha | prpplague: what's your input voltage range? |
| 02:15.26 | prpplague | basically what i'd probably layout is just a small board that has a the chip, usb header, max1896 all with .1" headers |
| 02:16.00 | prpplague | MonMotha: based on my measurements, 3.9 to 4.8 |
| 02:16.28 | MonMotha | ok |
| 02:16.50 | prpplague | anything below 3.9 and the system just shuts down |
| 02:17.26 | MonMotha | ok |
| 02:17.34 | MonMotha | got 5V parts in there or something? |
| 02:17.57 | prpplague | MonMotha: the tft backlight |
| 02:18.13 | MonMotha | ah |
| 02:18.35 | prpplague | its actually a very robust system |
| 02:18.52 | MonMotha | there's a 5V regulator? |
| 02:18.58 | MonMotha | off the 6V batterie? |
| 02:19.01 | prpplague | with just a few changes it would be one of the best arm720t dev boards around |
| 02:19.32 | prpplague | MonMotha: well max battery output i've seen is 4.9v, so i'd say no |
| 02:19.59 | prpplague | MonMotha: i suspect there is a doubler/boost, somewhere |
| 02:21.32 | MonMotha | oh, I guess that rechargable AAs are only 1.2V, not 1.5 |
| 02:22.07 | flyback | correct |
| 02:22.30 | prpplague | MonMotha: yea, even the standard AA's i've gotten weren't 1.5v , they were closer to 1.4 |
| 02:22.54 | MonMotha | ok |
| 02:24.16 | prpplague | MonMotha: CosmicPenguin seems to think BT would be a better route, but i keep thinking of doing usb host |
| 02:24.46 | prpplague | MonMotha: the sl118hs is very easy to implement |
| 02:26.20 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe, man my dyslexia is strong this evening and no one corrected me |
| 02:26.31 | prpplague | MonMotha: the sl811hs is very easy to implement |
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| 02:36.47 | prpplague | MonMotha: looks like the lm2621 would do the trick as well |
| 03:01.50 | jbevren | prpplague: ping |
| 03:02.11 | jbevren | musta wandered off to sleepland heh |
| 03:25.33 | flyback | http://flyback.databurn.net/new_stuff/Image15.jpg |
| 03:26.08 | jbevren | haha you even look crazy :) |
| 03:26.10 | jbevren | j/k heh |
| 03:26.18 | flyback | na I am :) |
| 03:26.30 | jbevren | we know ;-) |
| 03:26.37 | flyback | feel free to check the rest of the sight |
| 03:26.42 | flyback | you can see my piles of s*** |
| 03:27.13 | jbevren | nod, I've wandered through your pictures |
| 03:54.20 | CosmicPenguin | trivia of the day |
| 03:54.26 | CosmicPenguin | horses get sea sick like humans do |
| 03:54.32 | CosmicPenguin | unlike humans, horses cannot throw up |
| 03:54.50 | jbevren | I knew horses had no vomit reflex |
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| 04:08.17 | agaffney | CosmicPenguin, jbevren: why do you know these things? :P |
| 04:08.43 | jbevren | I live in a farm community |
| 04:08.50 | jbevren | I also know that that fifth leg isnt a leg.. |
| 04:09.14 | agaffney | o_O |
| 04:13.35 | jbevren | serves ya right for asking :) |
| 04:22.03 | agaffney | heh |
| 04:22.55 | CosmicPenguin | I watch the history channel |
| 04:23.17 | CosmicPenguin | I grew up in a farm community too - and I can confirm the fifth leg theory |
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| 13:04.49 | prpplague | flyback: no more urls, pm or otherwise |
| 13:05.18 | jbevren | <flyback> but.. |
| 13:05.20 | jbevren | :D |
| 13:06.43 | prpplague | jbevren: morning |
| 13:06.53 | prpplague | jbevren: i've figured out how to add usb to the pixter |
| 13:07.16 | prpplague | brb need to reset my router |
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| 13:17.10 | jbevren | I HATE GNOME |
| 13:17.13 | jbevren | just to be clear |
| 13:17.16 | jbevren | I -hate- it |
| 13:17.29 | jbevren | I cant run vi, it stalls on some ice-unix socket that's in use by a handful of gnome apps |
| 13:17.35 | jbevren | so I kill gnome and vi works fine |
| 13:17.37 | jbevren | grumble |
| 13:17.45 | jbevren | they obviously dont even check their software |
| 13:17.59 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:18.06 | jbevren | </vent> |
| 13:18.13 | jbevren | prpplague: so I decided on a focus for embedding |
| 13:18.19 | chouimat|ibook | jbevren: that never happened to me with KDE |
| 13:18.25 | jbevren | chouimat|ibook: I know |
| 13:18.31 | jbevren | I use kde on one of my systems heh |
| 13:18.40 | jbevren | I just thought I'd see if gnome fixed the issue |
| 13:18.43 | jbevren | and after 4 years |
| 13:18.45 | jbevren | they havent |
| 13:18.46 | chouimat|ibook | jbevren: ouch |
| 13:18.48 | prpplague | jbevren: oh? |
| 13:18.55 | jbevren | prpplague: Model railroading |
| 13:19.07 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:19.14 | jbevren | prpplague: the NMRA (national model rr assoc) has a standardized digital control protocol |
| 13:19.35 | prpplague | neat |
| 13:19.47 | jbevren | it uses a simplified half-duplex peer-to-peer lan for communication between the controllers and the 'command center' (which powers the rails and sends control signals to the engines) |
| 13:20.01 | jbevren | its pretty cool.. DCC (as its called) has a 14-bit engine address |
| 13:20.21 | jbevren | er, station address.. a station can be an engine's control board, or stationary devices like rail switches |
| 13:20.34 | chouimat|ibook | jbevren: btw I pasted your gnome comment in kde-devel ... and don't know why but some are dying of laughter :) |
| 13:20.52 | jbevren | chouimat|ibook: good, I'm glad to have provided entertainment (really!) |
| 13:20.56 | prpplague | jbevren: sounds interesting |
| 13:21.29 | chouimat|ibook | jbevren: hehe ... I needed this since today in ottawa it's 35C and with humidity they forecast around 48C |
| 13:21.44 | jbevren | prpplague: You drive the line with open-collector outputs (a-la scsi), and do collision detect by reading the data back as you send it |
| 13:22.02 | prpplague | jbevren: interesting |
| 13:22.17 | jbevren | chouimat|ibook: I think its just plain retarded that gnome would keep VI from working |
| 13:22.29 | jbevren | chiou: and gnome also only seems to have issues on screens >1900 pixels wide |
| 13:22.32 | jbevren | (mine's 4800 wide) |
| 13:22.33 | chouimat|ibook | jbevren: I agree VI work in OS/2 :) |
| 13:22.45 | jbevren | I should be more clear, I use vim 6.3 |
| 13:22.47 | prpplague | jbevren: sooooooo, to usb or not to usb , that is the question |
| 13:22.56 | jbevren | prpplague: ah, right. This usb solution? |
| 13:23.31 | chouimat|ibook | jbevren: it's not a reason ... it's a console editor ... well you have gvim but ... |
| 13:23.45 | prpplague | jbevren: SL811HS with a max1896 voltage doubler/booster |
| 13:24.12 | prpplague | jbevren: real easy design |
| 13:24.39 | prpplague | jbevren: i figure with an 802.11 dongle we could get about 5 hours continuous usage with some 2100mAh batteries |
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| 13:26.33 | jbevren | prpplague: so what about a host controller? |
| 13:26.44 | prpplague | jbevren: that is a host controller |
| 13:26.53 | jbevren | oh |
| 13:26.58 | jbevren | my bad, I missed the first chip ID |
| 13:27.00 | jbevren | hehe |
| 13:27.18 | jbevren | doh. fvwm isnt xinerama aware hehe |
| 13:27.24 | jbevren | fullscreen = big-ass xterm |
| 13:28.16 | jbevren | hm killing gnome freed 1.2G ram |
| 13:29.18 | jbevren | prpplague: DCC's control-side itnerface is called 'loconet'. It's run at 16,750bps or so |
| 13:29.52 | jbevren | I was talking with an old buddy of mine last weekend about the system, and how easily one could hack a pixter into the mix for wireless control by using a bluetooth radio pair heh |
| 13:31.28 | jbevren | prpplague: http://www.digitrax.com/ftp/loconetpersonaledition.pdf if you're curious |
| 13:32.38 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe cool |
| 13:32.52 | jbevren | the difference between a man and a boy is the price of his trainset |
| 13:32.53 | jbevren | or so heh |
| 13:35.34 | chouimat|ibook | LOL!!!!!!!!!got a nice email from some HR people this morning telling me that PDF is not a format to be used for mondaine thing like Resume it's a format designed for technical stuff |
| 13:36.06 | jbevren | re-send in a text file |
| 13:37.06 | chouimat|ibook | jbevren: I just cut&pasted it in OpenOffice and saved it (without layout fixing) in MS WORD (requested format which is the standard for resume) |
| 13:37.32 | jbevren | I use rtf heh |
| 13:37.43 | jbevren | msword can read it with no issues, and you cant accidentally pass binary viruses |
| 13:37.45 | chouimat|ibook | jbevren: hehe |
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| 13:51.27 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: jeeze |
| 13:51.38 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: HR people never cease to amaze me |
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| 14:01.59 | chouimat|ibook | prpplague: it's why when my own co is really started and does well I will hired my cat as HR director ... he can't be worse that those I have to deal with ... |
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| 14:08.25 | sorphin | chouimat|ibook: you read too much dilbert (your comment reminds me of Catbert the evil HR director) |
| 14:13.44 | chouimat|ibook | sorphin: i know ... it was exactly what I wanted you to do ;) |
| 14:14.20 | prpplague | sorphin: hey hey bud |
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| 14:15.18 | prpplague | AMDPenguin: morning crack baby |
| 14:15.57 | sorphin | prpplague: lo dave |
| 14:18.39 | AMDPenguin | yerllo |
| 14:19.04 | sorphin | prpplague: you're a beer connoisseur, assume you've drank that jamacian lager stuff (Red Strip) |
| 14:19.14 | prpplague | sorphin: yea |
| 14:19.31 | sorphin | hmm.. penguin penguin.. didn't some penguin dude write some Pixil thing once upon a time? |
| 14:19.41 | sorphin | prpplague: that good or bad |
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| 14:20.23 | prpplague | sorphin: i was getting off the plane in kingston, and all around the airport fence were these kids, with plastic bags of ice and beer trying to sell it to the tourists |
| 14:20.30 | prpplague | sorphin: was totally weird seeing that |
| 14:20.42 | sorphin | ah |
| 14:20.45 | sorphin | prpplague: how is it? |
| 14:21.10 | prpplague | sorphin: its decent |
| 14:21.19 | prpplague | sorphin: best serverd really cold |
| 14:21.30 | prpplague | sorphin: doesn't taste very good if it gets warm |
| 14:21.58 | sorphin | ah |
| 14:22.11 | sorphin | their commercials are odd, i'll say that |
| 14:22.56 | prpplague | sorphin: its not something i'd go out and purchase |
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| 14:34.39 | sorphin | ah |
| 14:34.59 | sorphin | there's not a beer i've found yet that now i'd 'go out an purchase' either |
| 14:35.00 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:35.25 | CosmicPenguin | Hardly an expert opinion on the matter |
| 14:35.34 | sorphin | heh |
| 14:35.59 | sorphin | *shrug* they all taste the same to me |
| 14:39.16 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, really what you need to do is go to a beer festival or to a brew pub where you can get a sampler of several styles to compare side by side |
| 14:40.25 | prpplague | sorphin: most people who say "it all tastes the same" usually try similiar beers, kinda like tasting 5 different versions of lemon pepper chicken, its gonna taste pretty close |
| 14:42.33 | prpplague | sorphin: now, if you had lemon pepper chicken and then tried curry goat, you'd tast a difference, hehe |
| 14:43.15 | CosmicPenguin | yummy - curried goat |
| 14:45.33 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 14:45.45 | jbevren | cvs -z3 co :0 |
| 14:45.48 | jbevren | :) |
| 14:45.59 | jbevren | prpplague: so, what dya think? (re: railroading) |
| 14:47.35 | prpplague | sounds pretty cool |
| 14:47.52 | prpplague | jbevren: i'd actually like to look at the design for some industrial usage |
| 14:49.44 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, did i tell you when i started at aml their entire current dev source was on just one thumb drive? |
| 14:50.32 | jbevren | prpplague: I want to toy with robotics, but dont have the mind (yet) to engineer stuff heh |
| 14:50.40 | jbevren | I suppose I could do a simple xy table |
| 14:53.47 | CosmicPenguin | heh |
| 14:56.01 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm like, ok can i see you source repo? and they hand me this thumbdrive |
| 14:57.40 | jbevren | prpplague: *shudder* |
| 16:10.25 | flyback_ | yo prpplague |
| 16:10.31 | flyback_ | did you see the hp announcement |
| 16:11.50 | flyback_ | about their wireless chip |
| 16:11.53 | flyback_ | omg |
| 16:11.54 | flyback_ | Intel’s code-named Santa Rosa mobile platform will feature code-named Merom processor with 800MHz processor system bus, new core-logic code-named Crestline with DirectX 10 shader model 4.0-compatible built-in graphics core, Intel NAND technology that boosts performance of hard disk drives, code-named Kedron wireless network controller compliant with an 802.11n standard, which will increase bandwidth to up to 600Mb/s, and some other innov |
| 16:11.56 | flyback_ | yes! |
| 16:12.05 | flyback_ | YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE! |
| 16:12.22 | prpplague | flyback_: so now i have to k/b you |
| 16:12.26 | flyback_ | ? |
| 16:12.32 | prpplague | flyback_: just could not listen could you |
| 16:12.39 | flyback_ | wtf are you talking about? |
| 16:12.41 | jbevren | <flyback_> YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE! <- wtf |
| 16:12.45 | flyback_ | dude |
| 16:12.54 | flyback_ | all I did was curse the bios |
| 16:12.58 | flyback_ | and I said hell, big deal |
| 16:13.02 | flyback_ | I heard you say far worse |
| 16:13.34 | flyback_ | it's about time the bios gets replaced with something modern |
| 16:13.43 | jbevren | I just dont understand how you expect anything to work when you constantly send everything to eternal damnation :) |
| 16:13.52 | prpplague | flyback_: it about the pastes, the upper case lettering |
| 16:13.52 | flyback_ | heh |
| 16:14.09 | flyback_ | I felt the paste was justified and I always say that phrase in upper case |
| 16:14.10 | jbevren | that too |
| 16:14.11 | flyback_ | it's a phrase |
| 16:14.34 | prpplague | flyback_: and we have asked you over and over and over not to do it |
| 16:14.49 | prpplague | flyback_: that was part of the agreement we made when i unbanned you |
| 16:14.51 | flyback_ | and I haven't used all caps for anything but a phrase |
| 16:15.12 | jbevren | flyback: I agree tho, the bios needs to be replaced with something more modern.. maybe something like ca. 1986 sun firmware or ca. 1990 sgi firmware |
| 16:15.28 | jbevren | sun would prolly be better, since it has a FORTH implementation |
| 16:15.36 | flyback_ | yeah |
| 16:15.44 | jbevren | maybe pc makers should just adopt OpenFirmware |
| 16:16.00 | prpplague | flyback_: no more warning, i mean it, this is it |
| 16:16.11 | prpplague | flyback_: no caps, no language, no pastes |
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| 16:16.48 | chouimat|ibook | jbevren: I will be happy if they do |
| 16:17.00 | jbevren | :D |
| 16:17.08 | sorphin | prpplague: if you K/B him again |
| 16:17.16 | prpplague | he just doesn't get it |
| 16:17.21 | sorphin | please dont' waive it again when he promises to be nice.. AGAIN |
| 16:17.31 | sorphin | this is getting redundant |
| 16:17.32 | jbevren | sorphin: he always promises to be nice heh |
| 16:17.33 | prpplague | sorphin: yea, this is it |
| 16:18.01 | chouimat|ibook | jbevren: cat-o'-nine-tails ? |
| 16:18.06 | jbevren | chiou: 64. |
| 16:18.07 | jbevren | :) |
| 16:18.27 | prpplague | for you ops , next time it pastes anything or uses caps, k/b him |
| 16:18.33 | prpplague | s/it/he |
| 16:18.37 | jbevren | naruto has a nine-tailed fox heh |
| 16:18.51 | jbevren | I'm an op? heh |
| 16:18.54 | sorphin | scary |
| 16:19.05 | jbevren | not that I cant handle it |
| 16:19.07 | sorphin | prpplague musta been drunk when he did that |
| 16:19.09 | sorphin | ;) |
| 16:19.10 | jbevren | hehe I'm just usually not, here |
| 16:19.47 | sorphin | even when you are here |
| 16:19.50 | sorphin | you're not ;) |
| 16:20.03 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:20.04 | sorphin | speaking of not all there |
| 16:20.08 | jbevren | see, I have this thing |
| 16:20.08 | sorphin | where's agaffney |
| 16:20.09 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:20.10 | jbevren | its called a job :) |
| 16:20.15 | sorphin | jbevren: uh.. so do I |
| 16:20.22 | agaffney | sorphin: I'm right here :P |
| 16:20.27 | jbevren | sorphin: you dont have a slavedriver client |
| 16:20.38 | sorphin | jbevren: nah, just slave driver bosses |
| 16:20.39 | chouimat|ibook | jbevren: not really usefull for the etymology but interesting to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat-o'-nine-tails |
| 16:20.41 | sorphin | i don't have 8 |
| 16:20.42 | sorphin | i have 2 |
| 16:20.44 | sorphin | :P |
| 16:20.46 | chouimat|ibook | prpplague: sorry for the paste :) |
| 16:20.46 | jbevren | if I pause from doing tickets for 30sec they demand to know why Ive stopped |
| 16:20.59 | sorphin | haha |
| 16:21.02 | sorphin | Get New Job |
| 16:21.29 | sorphin | You said you were gonna bail anyways |
| 16:21.34 | sorphin | apparently you still haven't. |
| 16:21.41 | sorphin | agaffney: rack done yet? :P |
| 16:22.10 | agaffney | sorphin: I put the Octane up on the shelf :P |
| 16:22.19 | agaffney | it's as done as it's going to be for now |
| 16:22.49 | sorphin | agaffney: heh, switched routers recently, so reorging the rack now, bought a 24 plug 48" strip for the rack and fabricated 2 brackets last night |
| 16:22.49 | chouimat|ibook | prpplague: it seems that in 1993 Barbados decided to start using the cat-o'-nine-tails again ... interesting :) |
| 16:23.14 | sorphin | heh |
| 16:23.26 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: i don't mind the pastes, its just that flyback can't use good judgement about what he pastes so i told him not to do it at all |
| 16:23.34 | chouimat|ibook | sorphin: nah ;) just reading the page |
| 16:23.40 | agaffney | sorphin: I've just got a 16-port d-link switch mounted in my rack which is connected to my WRT54GS (which I put openwrt on the other day) |
| 16:23.43 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: ha i didn't know that |
| 16:23.46 | chouimat|ibook | prpplague: i see |
| 16:24.14 | chouimat|ibook | prpplague: it's probably used if you forget to pay your parking tickets ;) |
| 16:24.30 | sorphin | agaffney: nod |
| 16:24.35 | sorphin | need to sell my SGI |
| 16:24.46 | agaffney | sorphin: what box is it? |
| 16:25.00 | sorphin | I2 4400/200mhz, 128M |
| 16:25.09 | agaffney | bleh |
| 16:25.20 | agaffney | :) |
| 16:25.46 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: naw, driving violations are rare here |
| 16:25.58 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: cops are almost non present |
| 16:26.07 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: except to clean up wrecks |
| 16:26.29 | jbevren | sorphin: Have you checked the speedracer port? |
| 16:26.47 | sorphin | the wha? |
| 16:27.03 | jbevren | Skylark's octane-specific mipslinux kernel patch |
| 16:27.27 | sorphin | ok.. |
| 16:27.34 | jbevren | found the url |
| 16:27.35 | jbevren | http://www.linux-mips.org/~skylark/ |
| 16:27.35 | sorphin | this isnt' an Octane though ;) |
| 16:27.41 | jbevren | oh |
| 16:27.47 | sorphin | agaffney has the octane |
| 16:27.50 | jbevren | haha I misread agaffney's coment as yours yeah |
| 16:27.54 | sorphin | this is an Indigo2 |
| 16:27.59 | jbevren | heh |
| 16:28.11 | jbevren | so you own an indigo2. I'm so sorry. :) |
| 16:28.14 | chouimat|ibook | prpplague: so you have no change to get the dead penality for a driving infraction ... i was so laughing the first time I saw Harrison Bergeron :) |
| 16:28.28 | jbevren | sorphin: get a $50 indy |
| 16:28.32 | jbevren | you'll be happier :D |
| 16:28.34 | sorphin | uh |
| 16:28.36 | sorphin | no |
| 16:28.39 | sorphin | the Indigo2 |
| 16:28.40 | sorphin | is better |
| 16:28.43 | sorphin | than an Indy |
| 16:28.45 | jbevren | apparently its not |
| 16:28.47 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: hehe yea |
| 16:28.48 | jbevren | unless youre using irix :) |
| 16:28.49 | chouimat|ibook | 50$ for an indy????? |
| 16:28.51 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: good movie |
| 16:28.54 | sorphin | jbevren: uh |
| 16:28.55 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: i have it on dvd |
| 16:28.57 | sorphin | wrong |
| 16:29.06 | sorphin | jbevren: i've ran linux and irix on it |
| 16:29.08 | sorphin | the problem |
| 16:29.08 | jbevren | you cant get graphics to work ;) |
| 16:29.15 | sorphin | it's not the OS |
| 16:29.30 | chouimat|ibook | prpplague: I have it in .avi somewhere .... ooops nah it's was a my mp3 hdd that died a few weeks ago :( |
| 16:29.31 | sorphin | it's called 13w3->VGA |
| 16:29.39 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: hehe |
| 16:29.49 | sorphin | jbevren: a regular sun adapter doesnt' work, and cutting all the small pins doesn't work |
| 16:29.50 | jbevren | strange, Ive always had good luck with adapters made for suns |
| 16:29.51 | chouimat|ibook | ok back to work ... |
| 16:29.55 | prpplague | chouimat|ibook: i purchased a vhs tape of it and converted it to dvd |
| 16:29.58 | jbevren | ohh |
| 16:30.01 | jbevren | I bet its your monitor |
| 16:30.08 | sorphin | yep |
| 16:30.09 | jbevren | the cheap adapters require SoG support in the display |
| 16:30.11 | sorphin | no SOG |
| 16:30.21 | sorphin | right |
| 16:30.24 | jbevren | I'm fortunate, I have three GDM20E20s |
| 16:30.30 | sorphin | uh |
| 16:30.34 | jbevren | or are they 20E10.. its the 20E series with one input |
| 16:30.40 | sorphin | i've had 2 |
| 16:30.45 | sorphin | different sony tubes |
| 16:30.49 | sorphin | both dual inputs |
| 16:31.01 | sorphin | the 1st, the 13w3 port didn't work though |
| 16:31.05 | jbevren | doh! |
| 16:31.07 | sorphin | and it finally died, this IBM one |
| 16:31.16 | jbevren | mine are all sun-branded |
| 16:31.25 | sorphin | has either 2 vgas or it's 1 vga and 1 dvi |
| 16:31.27 | jbevren | got the trio for $300 shipped heh |
| 16:31.27 | sorphin | i forget which |
| 16:31.28 | agaffney | I've got a nice GDM-20E21 |
| 16:31.33 | agaffney | VGA and 13w3 |
| 16:31.37 | sorphin | agaffney: what's what my Sun one was |
| 16:31.43 | agaffney | I've got it hooked to my Octane and my dual G4 tower |
| 16:31.47 | sorphin | the IBM came from EPC |
| 16:31.52 | jbevren | theyre pretty good crt's |
| 16:32.00 | jbevren | the lcd's crispness has spoiled me though |
| 16:32.04 | sorphin | i still need to throw out the Sun one |
| 16:32.12 | sorphin | power it on |
| 16:32.13 | sorphin | nothin |
| 16:32.14 | sorphin | nada |
| 16:32.20 | sorphin | cept the led |
| 16:35.23 | jbevren | meh |
| 17:06.09 | davidc__ | agaffney: heh, you've got SGI hardware as well? |
| 17:06.18 | jbevren | apparently so :) |
| 17:06.21 | davidc__ | agaffney: I've got two indigo1's + an indy |
| 17:06.28 | davidc__ | now, I only need to get them to work :/ |
| 17:06.39 | jbevren | http://jbevren.net/img/sgifamily.jpg |
| 17:06.45 | jbevren | add to that stack another O2 and an origin 2000 |
| 17:06.46 | jbevren | hehe |
| 17:07.20 | prpplague | davidc__: did you see i posted why my dac got smoked? |
| 17:07.29 | davidc__ | prpplague: nope |
| 17:07.41 | davidc__ | prpplague: oh, btw - I'm hooking up my new logic analyzer to the sparkfun cam this evening |
| 17:07.41 | prpplague | davidc__: silly silly mistake |
| 17:08.01 | prpplague | davidc__: i had the speak soldered down on my dev board |
| 17:08.10 | prpplague | davidc__: across a bus! doh doh doh |
| 17:08.47 | davidc__ | prpplague: ouch |
| 17:09.03 | prpplague | davidc__: oh well |
| 17:09.11 | davidc__ | prpplague: so I should have some really good traces from the cam if you want to play with them |
| 17:09.16 | prpplague | davidc__: got several spare boards |
| 17:09.23 | prpplague | davidc__: cool |
| 17:13.17 | prpplague | davidc__: i wish sparkfun did a SL811HS breakout board |
| 17:13.28 | davidc__ | prpplague: ? |
| 17:13.39 | prpplague | davidc__: usb host controller |
| 17:13.46 | davidc__ | yeah, I googled it :D |
| 17:13.56 | davidc__ | eh, just use batchpcb + make one |
| 17:14.18 | prpplague | davidc__: yea, already got one laid out with eagle |
| 17:14.25 | davidc__ | prpplague: heh, nice |
| 17:14.44 | davidc__ | the only thing I wish they'd do with batchpcb is make it really easy to link to a board you designed.. so others could build the same order quickly |
| 17:15.47 | prpplague | i've not used their batchpcb stuff |
| 17:16.18 | davidc__ | prpplague: eh, its fairly cheap for small pcb, but long leadtime |
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| 17:21.18 | prpplague | davidc__: ahh they take gerber files so i can use eagle |
| 17:21.47 | davidc__ | prpplague: yup. |
| 17:22.09 | davidc__ | prpplague: they do good work as well.. been quite impressed with the quality of the boards I got back |
| 17:22.55 | davidc__ | prpplague: only downside is that their drc bot is slightly insane |
| 17:23.18 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:23.24 | prpplague | what kind of lead time do they have? |
| 17:24.21 | davidc__ | like 20-30 days |
| 17:24.27 | davidc__ | [to your door] |
| 17:24.32 | prpplague | wow that is long |
| 17:24.43 | davidc__ | usually gets here in ~ 20 days |
| 17:24.50 | davidc__ | but its hard to beat the price |
| 17:26.46 | prpplague | yea |
| 17:26.51 | prpplague | i'm very impatient though |
| 17:27.26 | davidc__ | hehe, same here... |
| 17:27.42 | davidc__ | I usually just design a project, submit it, forget about it, then boards arrive :D |
| 17:27.56 | davidc__ | and I've designed the second and third projects while waiting |
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| 17:28.16 | prpplague | davidc__: i tend to focus on a single project |
| 17:28.30 | prpplague | davidc__: i don't work well with 2 or 3 going on at once |
| 17:29.04 | davidc__ | heh.. right now... I've got an USB->I2C/SPI adaptor coming.. a mpd remote controller... and thats it |
| 17:29.43 | prpplague | davidc__: didn't like the ftdi ft-2232 for the usb->i2c/spi ? |
| 17:30.39 | davidc__ | prpplague: eh, its not exactly fast to bitbang its pins |
| 17:31.07 | prpplague | davidc__: it has intergrate i2c and spi controller |
| 17:31.12 | davidc__ | prpplague: er, it does |
| 17:31.18 | prpplague | iirc |
| 17:31.19 | davidc__ | prpplague: goddamnit |
| 17:31.36 | prpplague | i just use the jtag interface mostly |
| 17:31.44 | davidc__ | heh.. now my beautifly laid out usb->rs232 + avr board will go to waste :P |
| 17:33.10 | prpplague | davidc__: there are several two port usb->rs232 adapters out there that are based on the ft-2232, with just a couple of minor tweaks you can turn it into a i2c/spi/jtag device |
| 17:35.31 | prpplague | davidc__: http://cooldrives.stores.yahoo.net/dusepodbrsmi.html |
| 17:35.49 | prpplague | thats not the best priced one i've seen |
| 17:36.40 | davidc__ | heh... such a waste of my beautifully laid out board :P |
| 17:36.52 | davidc__ | I got all the circuitry including isolation to fit in the size of a usb thumb drive |
| 17:36.56 | davidc__ | ah well |
| 17:37.38 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:37.50 | agaffney | davidc__: yep, I've just got an Octane w/ 1x195MHz r10k and 768MB memory |
| 17:37.52 | prpplague | davidc__: that'll teach you, be sure to ask here |
| 17:38.13 | davidc__ | prpplague: heh |
| 17:44.20 | prpplague | davidc__: i think most people here would agree, if there is a cheap hackable hardware solution, i've researched it, hehe |
| 17:44.33 | davidc__ | prpplague: hehe |
| 17:45.54 | prpplague | davidc__: the ft2232 chip is a pretty nice solution |
| 17:46.05 | davidc__ | ya, I can see that |
| 17:46.09 | prpplague | davidc__: it does, i2c, spi, jtag, and has a mcu bus emulation |
| 17:46.26 | prpplague | davidc__: i use it to program nand flash and do jtag mostly |
| 17:47.12 | prpplague | davidc__: http://www.dlpdesign.com has some prototype boards as well |
| 17:47.24 | prpplague | davidc__: they sell thru digikey and jameco |
| 18:47.16 | prpplague | MonMotha: ping |
| 19:12.54 | CosmicPenguin | ooookkkay... time to get busy |
| 19:13.13 | CosmicPenguin | Everybody I need to talk to is already in Ottawa |
| 19:13.45 | chouimat | hi CosmicPenguin |
| 19:13.59 | CosmicPenguin | chouimat: greetings |
| 19:14.11 | jbevren | I'm not~~ |
| 19:16.44 | CosmicPenguin | jbevren: so what does that tell you? |
| 19:17.09 | jbevren | that youre obviously wrong :) |
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| 19:41.22 | sorphin | oh fun |
| 19:41.37 | sorphin | "McAfee blames OSS for botnets" |
| 19:41.58 | sorphin | i say they should blame their useless virus scanning sw |
| 19:49.01 | jbevren | true story |
| 19:49.05 | jbevren | my sister's computer was slow as dirt |
| 19:49.14 | jbevren | mcaffee said the system was clean as a whistle |
| 19:49.22 | jbevren | I installed avg (free.grisoft.com) |
| 19:49.25 | jbevren | avg found a virus |
| 19:49.30 | jbevren | at that point mcaffee popped up |
| 19:49.32 | jbevren | VIRUS! |
| 19:49.40 | jbevren | I hadnt even rebooted |
| 19:50.15 | sorphin | Things i've removed from missy's laptop when she got it, and her dad's computers |
| 19:50.23 | sorphin | McAffee and/or Norton |
| 19:50.28 | jbevren | I dont trust either |
| 19:50.33 | sorphin | Installed |
| 19:50.35 | sorphin | CA |
| 19:50.38 | jbevren | mcaffee had a -huge- security issue with their software for months |
| 19:50.43 | jbevren | they didnt report it |
| 19:50.46 | jbevren | and they knew about it |
| 19:50.47 | CosmicPenguin | MMcaffee just can't move fast enough |
| 19:50.54 | sorphin | (Computer Associates) (free with our dsl) |
| 19:50.56 | sorphin | plus |
| 19:50.59 | sorphin | once a week |
| 19:51.02 | CosmicPenguin | and then they blame the people they are trying to defeat |
| 19:51.08 | jbevren | shrug, avg does well enough |
| 19:51.23 | sorphin | her dad runs an online scan with Trend Micro |
| 19:51.38 | sorphin | never had an infection |
| 19:51.57 | sorphin | nod, seen avg |
| 19:52.11 | sorphin | also watched things skate right past it too |
| 19:52.37 | sorphin | both of these things he's doing are free too, and he's double protected incase one of the 2 fails |
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