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| 03:53.29 | davidc__ | prpplague: around? |
| 04:05.18 | davidc__ | prpplague: oh, and the pinout info on the wiki is wrong |
| 04:05.23 | davidc__ | prpplague: pin one is enb |
| 04:05.27 | davidc__ | prpplague: pin two is rst |
| 04:05.41 | davidc__ | prpplague: you used the old pinout from before we knew how it worked :P |
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| 12:57.52 | chouimat | morning |
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| 13:20.26 | chouimat | hi prpplague |
| 13:20.39 | prpplague | chouimat: morning |
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| 13:46.33 | prpplague | jbevren: ho ho freakin ho |
| 13:46.50 | chouimat | hi jbevren |
| 13:52.12 | prpplague | jbevren: so...why is it that so many people were interested in the juicebox hacking, but not the pixter? |
| 13:55.21 | jbevren | juiceboxes are $5? |
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| 13:55.50 | prpplague | yea, but it some places you can get the pixter-mm for $10 |
| 13:56.03 | jbevren | where? :D |
| 13:57.41 | chouimat | prpplague: which of those is the most powerfull? |
| 13:59.18 | jbevren | pixter at 90mhz for the win |
| 13:59.24 | jbevren | although some jb's ahve more ram |
| 14:00.56 | prpplague | chouimat: the pixter of course |
| 14:01.12 | prpplague | chouimat: it has a mmu |
| 14:01.19 | prpplague | chouimat: and can run full linux |
| 14:01.32 | jbevren | arm 7t core wee |
| 14:01.40 | jbevren | it has better input options too |
| 14:02.02 | jbevren | touchscreen, d-pad with two buttons.. |
| 14:02.09 | jbevren | a recessed button on back too |
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| 14:18.53 | prpplague | jbevren: still it seems odd |
| 14:19.06 | prpplague | jbevren: that you and i seem to be the only ones hacking the pixter-mm |
| 14:19.31 | jbevren | Indeed |
| 14:19.45 | jbevren | you moreso than I recently heh |
| 14:19.48 | jbevren | man its dark out |
| 14:19.55 | prpplague | jbevren: the juicebox hacking really took off when more peopel got involved |
| 14:19.56 | jbevren | 9am and it looks like 9pm |
| 14:23.28 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 14:24.58 | prpplague | hehe |
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| 14:31.42 | jbevren | prpplague: so where do I find these $10 pixters :) |
| 14:32.37 | prpplague | jbevren: the reports i've gotten is wal-mart and target have them marked down to $10 |
| 14:33.16 | jbevren | ah |
| 14:33.20 | jbevren | the local walmart doesnt have em :( |
| 14:33.26 | jbevren | I"ll have to check the french store |
| 14:34.36 | jbevren | website has em for 54 bucks (which is much less than I paid for mine) :) |
| 14:35.00 | davidc__ | prpplague: see my messages? |
| 14:35.41 | prpplague | davidc__: yea, you said something wasn't right on the pin outs |
| 14:35.47 | prpplague | davidc__: could you repost? |
| 14:35.56 | prpplague | davidc__: hehe you know you can join the wiki pages |
| 14:36.03 | davidc__ | prpplague: meh, too much effort |
| 14:36.18 | davidc__ | prpplague: oh, and check the sparkfun page- I've made quite a bit of progress |
| 14:36.34 | prpplague | davidc__: yea, i checked this morning, nice |
| 14:37.10 | davidc__ | prpplague: anywho - pin14 + 9 are VDD |
| 14:37.16 | davidc__ | 11 is ENB |
| 14:37.17 | davidc__ | 12 is RST |
| 14:37.22 | davidc__ | those are the corrections |
| 14:40.10 | prpplague | ok let me see about updating them |
| 14:40.57 | prpplague | davidc__: so no special connections needed? just wired directly to pin14 and pin9 the vdd? |
| 14:41.54 | davidc__ | prpplague: eh, you should use the filter circuit thats below it |
| 14:42.21 | davidc__ | but the circuit you've got drawn there is sorta misaligned |
| 14:43.34 | prpplague | yea i was just looking at that |
| 14:43.49 | davidc__ | its just a standard ferrite bead + decouple circuit |
| 14:44.12 | prpplague | davidc__: just a cap/resistor decouple circuit? |
| 14:44.24 | davidc__ | prpplague: nah, ferrite bead |
| 14:44.27 | davidc__ | its an inductor |
| 14:44.41 | davidc__ | a resistor would work, but not as well |
| 14:44.51 | prpplague | davidc__: no i meant the for the decouple circuit |
| 14:45.05 | davidc__ | where does the resistor come in? :P |
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| 14:45.28 | prpplague | davidc__: hehe |
| 14:45.44 | davidc__ | I'm totally lost :P |
| 14:45.45 | prpplague | davidc__: so you are just using a cap + the ferrite bead? |
| 14:45.55 | davidc__ | prpplague: pretty much, one for each vdd |
| 14:45.58 | davidc__ | just like the circuit shows |
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| 14:47.04 | prpplague | davidc__: well i'm having trouble understanding it |
| 14:47.17 | prpplague | davidc__: just realized it wasn't very clear |
| 14:47.17 | davidc__ | prpplague: thats because its misaligned: P |
| 14:47.26 | prpplague | davidc__: yea i lined it up |
| 14:48.00 | davidc__ | eh, its just two inductors, named b1 and two 0.1uf caps |
| 14:48.06 | prpplague | davidc__: those are the caps between just about the ground? |
| 14:48.24 | davidc__ | those caps just go from ground to the vdd lines |
| 14:48.48 | davidc__ | I'll go draft a real schematic, gimme a sec |
| 14:50.08 | prpplague | davidc__: hehe |
| 14:50.17 | prpplague | davidc__: just have a quick look at my changes first |
| 14:50.51 | davidc__ | yup, thats more like it |
| 14:51.27 | prpplague | okie crokie |
| 14:51.35 | davidc__ | I was trying to use pretty symbols for the individual elements :P |
| 14:51.53 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:52.23 | davidc__ | oh, and just so you know - its bayer data seems to be gibberish. I've only seen something that makes sense on its YCrCb outputs |
| 14:53.10 | prpplague | interesting |
| 14:54.03 | davidc__ | I'm thinking that in bayer it loses a lot of smarts, so we'd have to do a lot of what it does manually |
| 14:54.29 | davidc__ | I'm thinking easiest would be to just do the YCbCr decode in an fpga |
| 14:55.14 | prpplague | davidc__: well, i'll be using it with an arm board, so i'd just that in linux |
| 14:55.40 | prpplague | davidc__: the s3c2440 has a camera interface controller that appears to be compatible with the camera |
| 14:55.49 | davidc__ | prpplague: yup.. eh, its a floating point conversion for every pixel, which is why I'm gonna do it in HW |
| 14:56.00 | davidc__ | actually, could be done fixed point |
| 14:56.04 | davidc__ | but its still a lot of macs |
| 14:56.37 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:56.51 | prpplague | sounds like you are close to getting your sfe credit |
| 14:57.07 | davidc__ | prpplague: dunno what I'll do about that |
| 14:57.09 | prpplague | davidc__: i need to post my eagle library for the camera interface too |
| 14:57.22 | davidc__ | I'd feel pretty crappy taking it.. so many people have also contributed |
| 14:57.43 | prpplague | davidc__: hehe, just use it for more fun projects |
| 14:58.03 | davidc__ | I think I'd probably spend it on developing a nice camera breakout + parse board |
| 14:58.19 | prpplague | davidc__: i had planned on layout out the breakout board, but i've not gotten around to looking at the needed powersupply section |
| 14:58.19 | davidc__ | with a framebuffer and a handful of interfaces |
| 14:58.36 | davidc__ | prpplague: eh, I meant not really a breakout.. but an interface board |
| 14:58.40 | prpplague | yea |
| 14:58.46 | prpplague | davidc__: i figured thats what you mean |
| 14:59.03 | davidc__ | prpplague: my breakout was pretty simple - just camera to dip headers.. 8 per side for data, plus a bit of wiring for Gnd + VCC |
| 14:59.05 | prpplague | davidc__: i just want the pins plus a power suplly |
| 14:59.15 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:59.19 | davidc__ | prpplague: eh, I don't even have the 2.8V supply on board |
| 14:59.35 | prpplague | davidc__: yea, thats a kind of odd voltage for most hobbists |
| 14:59.37 | davidc__ | I'd give you my design, but I used someone elses lbr for the footprint, and it was wrong |
| 14:59.45 | prpplague | davidc__: so i was thinking a small regulator |
| 14:59.48 | davidc__ | so its a bitch to solder |
| 14:59.57 | davidc__ | prpplague: eh, also throw some i2c level converters on board |
| 15:00.00 | prpplague | davidc__: np, i have the layout ok |
| 15:00.03 | davidc__ | prpplague: just a fet + a resistor |
| 15:00.41 | prpplague | davidc__: ahh the i2c is at 2.8 as well i guess |
| 15:01.08 | davidc__ | yup - and you can't cheat and use voltage dividers for it as an input |
| 15:01.14 | davidc__ | [like I do on the xtal] |
| 15:02.04 | prpplague | davidc__: well i'm more a software guy, so it'll take me a while to figure it all out |
| 15:04.01 | davidc__ | prpplague: see http://www.standardics.philips.com/support/documents/i2c/pdf/an97055.pdf |
| 15:04.06 | davidc__ | prpplague: its quite a clever circuit |
| 15:04.55 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:05.06 | prpplague | thats 3v to 5v |
| 15:05.13 | prpplague | my arm devices are 3.3v |
| 15:05.23 | davidc__ | eh, doesn't mattefr |
| 15:05.27 | davidc__ | it should work for any voltages |
| 15:05.59 | prpplague | hmm, so i'd still need to do a level shift for the 2.8->3.3v ? |
| 15:09.21 | prpplague | davidc__: you have any other quick info on the i2c connections? i.e. the id code, settings and such? |
| 15:10.23 | prpplague | davidc__: i added a couple of bullets at the bottom of the page on the i2c stuff |
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| 15:11.49 | prpplague | hehe linuxdevices.com finally got word of the amd geode closings |
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| 15:23.54 | davidc__ | prpplague: that single level shift goes both ways |
| 15:24.33 | prpplague | davidc__: ?? |
| 15:24.57 | davidc__ | prpplague: that schematic I linked you to is bidirectional |
| 15:25.08 | davidc__ | it level shifts down one way, and up the other |
| 15:25.09 | prpplague | davidc__: hehe, yea, |
| 15:25.12 | davidc__ | in any case, you still should |
| 15:25.17 | davidc__ | 3.3V might toast the camera |
| 15:25.31 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:25.43 | davidc__ | prpplague: and all the idcode + settings are in the datasheet |
| 15:25.57 | davidc__ | prpplague: that image I captured was with the default settings -don't even have the i2c bus connected |
| 15:26.10 | prpplague | ahh |
| 15:26.13 | prpplague | interesting |
| 15:26.33 | prpplague | davidc__: so the ID code was exactly the same as in the datasheet? |
| 15:26.50 | davidc__ | prpplague: yup, the HVwhatever camera |
| 15:26.57 | prpplague | okie crokie |
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| 15:47.16 | jbevren | hide! its gandhi! |
| 15:47.18 | jbevren | hehe |
| 16:05.17 | gandhijee | run |
| 16:05.23 | gandhijee | i have questions! |
| 16:05.32 | gandhijee | actually i don't today |
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| 19:45.11 | jbevren | prpplague: http://archive.gp2x.de/cfiles/screenshots/BoB.jpg |
| 19:47.17 | prpplague | jbevren: wow thats the production version? |
| 19:49.50 | flyback | so |
| 19:50.01 | flyback | either of you plan to buy one of via's new chip |
| 19:50.02 | flyback | a x86 soc |
| 19:50.09 | jbevren | prpplague: for the gp2x breakout board yeah |
| 19:50.13 | prpplague | flyback: uh no |
| 19:50.19 | flyback | ok |
| 19:50.29 | jbevren | flyback: via's chips (generally) suck :) |
| 19:50.32 | flyback | it's already in a handheld device :) |
| 19:51.03 | jbevren | besides, arm is just plain betta |
| 19:51.04 | jbevren | hehe |
| 19:51.07 | jbevren | more choice |
| 19:51.10 | jbevren | lower power :P |
| 19:51.20 | gandhijee | i want to break my arm based board |
| 19:51.22 | flyback | it's only like either 1.1 or 4 watts |
| 19:51.23 | flyback | everything |
| 19:51.31 | flyback | gandhijee send it to me then |
| 19:51.46 | jbevren | and its not some cpu from 1983 that's been adapted to run 16bit software thats been adapted to run 32bit software thats been adapted to run in low power environments thats been shrunk down to run in embedded systems. |
| 19:51.47 | gandhijee | my PCI crap seems totally busted |
| 19:51.52 | prpplague | flyback: my board is just .20 watts |
| 19:52.12 | flyback | :P |
| 19:52.35 | prpplague | flyback: and thats with just a basic powersupply, we didn't even optimize it |
| 19:52.39 | gandhijee | we have on board at the place i work at that the IXP465 is on there as a PCI option |
| 19:52.52 | flyback | prpplague nice |
| 19:52.59 | gandhijee | i'd love to figure out how to make it an ToE |
| 19:53.16 | prpplague | ToE? |
| 19:53.23 | gandhijee | TCP offload Engine |
| 19:53.46 | gandhijee | the board is layed out like this |
| 19:53.52 | prpplague | ahh |
| 19:54.03 | gandhijee | [x86 processor]<--PCI Bus-->IXP465 |
| 19:55.56 | jbevren | gandhijee: why not just use an ACENIC ethernet card? heh |
| 19:56.09 | gandhijee | intel paid us to design this board for them |
| 19:56.20 | gandhijee | and i think it'd be something cool to do with it |
| 19:56.31 | gandhijee | they plan on using it as an IP-PBX |
| 19:56.53 | gandhijee | but the way they laid out the software make no sense to me |
| 19:56.54 | flyback | mmm |
| 19:57.09 | prpplague | gandhijee: welcome to doing business with intel |
| 19:57.12 | gandhijee | arm would run a SIP proxy will the IA would host HMP software |
| 19:57.38 | gandhijee | i don't see why they wanted this crap on one PCB, cept to milk money from people |
| 19:57.55 | jbevren | grumble |
| 19:57.57 | gandhijee | so they'd be selling a Pentium M and 465 at the same time |
| 19:58.02 | jbevren | palmone has a wifi sdio card |
| 19:58.02 | jbevren | heh |
| 19:58.40 | flyback | yeah and like the rest of palm it's GAY |
| 19:58.43 | gandhijee | you guys wouldn't happen to know where to the the newt sources would you |
| 19:58.44 | gandhijee | rofl |
| 19:58.49 | flyback | my t5 is the last palm I will ever buy |
| 19:59.07 | flyback | they have ripped me off the last time |
| 19:59.17 | gandhijee | as much as i hate MS, the smartphone isn't TOO bad |
| 19:59.32 | flyback | well their os as much as it sucks |
| 19:59.38 | flyback | is light years ahead of palm os |
| 19:59.53 | gandhijee | i'd love to get a hold of anther one and see if linux can't be loaded on it |
| 20:00.03 | flyback | I am putting linux on my t5 |
| 20:00.05 | gandhijee | as it has a PXA in it |
| 20:00.09 | flyback | soon as I get another box up to compile for it |
| 20:00.21 | flyback | or I might wait a few more months till they removed some more bugs |
| 20:00.27 | gandhijee | then the challenge would be to write a phone app |
| 20:01.56 | flyback | yeah if I had the ceo of palm in front of my I would punch him in the face |
| 20:03.05 | flyback | btw this bulls*** of pda's with "sucide batteries" where you are out of luck when it dies, is about to hit a brick wall |
| 20:03.13 | flyback | touch s*** for palm and the rest of the crooks doing that |
| 20:03.31 | flyback | cause the eu wants all batteries recycled which means they are going to have to make it easier to remove them |
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| 20:05.15 | gandhijee | ?? |
| 20:05.20 | flyback | ?? |
| 20:05.27 | gandhijee | what you can't replace palm batteries? |
| 20:05.47 | flyback | lot of them are perm soldered in |
| 20:06.00 | gandhijee | what kind of retarded shit is that |
| 20:06.00 | flyback | and palm sits on the battery makers not to make replacements |
| 20:06.07 | flyback | it's palm :) |
| 20:06.36 | gandhijee | thats one of the most retarded things i've ever heard |
| 20:06.50 | gandhijee | its like buying a car with out being able to get a new battery for it |
| 20:06.53 | flyback | just like they stopped selling os upgrades and tell you "f*** you, just buy another one" |
| 20:07.13 | gandhijee | wow |
| 20:08.34 | flyback | I am so glad they lost their os division |
| 20:09.06 | flyback | oh that;s another thing |
| 20:09.09 | gandhijee | i had a handspring for about 3 days, before i decided to take it apart and try to upgrade the memory |
| 20:09.10 | flyback | I pay $400 for a freaking pda |
| 20:09.17 | gandhijee | key work there was try |
| 20:09.20 | flyback | the os crashes at the drop of a hat |
| 20:09.22 | gandhijee | *word |
| 20:09.33 | flyback | the music player is total crap it's so bad they replaced it on the next model |
| 20:09.39 | gandhijee | lol |
| 20:09.39 | flyback | the browser is more unstable than I am |
| 20:09.51 | gandhijee | you can get a jordana for cheap now |
| 20:09.53 | flyback | it's so bad it's basically worthless it can't even load a 235kb html page |
| 20:10.06 | gandhijee | my buddy just bought one so he can load it up with familiar |
| 20:10.09 | flyback | and palm has basically discontinued it less than 1 yr out cause it sucks |
| 20:10.17 | flyback | well mine can run familiar etc already barely |
| 20:10.37 | flyback | I just don't have time right now or a box to compile it |
| 20:10.45 | gandhijee | right on |
| 20:11.32 | flyback | techncially my palm is a 428mhz intel pxa, 32 meg real ram, 256 meg disk on chip flash drive (160 available to user the rest is for virtual ram and rom) sound, 320x480x65535 display |
| 20:11.47 | flyback | once linux port is finished and confirmed usuable for everyday |
| 20:11.53 | flyback | palm os is getting perm wiped from flash rom |
| 20:12.06 | flyback | for now I will just use the ram bootlaoder |
| 20:12.36 | prpplague | jbevren: i wonder if they have frequent flyer miles - http://www.hootersair.com/ |
| 20:13.24 | flyback | gandhijee btw some hackers are extracting the updated and fixed applications from other model palms |
| 20:13.29 | flyback | tough s*** what palm thinks about that |
| 20:14.23 | gandhijee | i wish the american goverment wasn't so ass backwards when it come to tech stuff |
| 20:15.18 | flyback | tell me about it |
| 20:15.28 | flyback | I am ready to vote for al quida before I vote for either party again |
| 20:15.54 | flyback | we got idiots voting for net regulation who talk about "oh we sent internets all the time and it's all a bunch of pipes and stuff" |
| 20:16.01 | gandhijee | hey lets like the MPAA and RIAA guide how we govern technology |
| 20:16.34 | gandhijee | that liek isn't supposta be there |
| 20:16.40 | gandhijee | its been a long ass day |
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| 20:53.03 | MonMotha | ok, Advanced Circuits just pissed me off |
| 20:54.55 | MonMotha | I realized last night that I forgot to include a board outline since OrCAD is dumb and doesn't include it on any production layers for 2 layer designs, so I emailed their CAM guys at like midnight. At 5AM they put the order on hold for a missing outline... |
| 20:57.42 | MonMotha | hum, actually, it looks like they took it off hold anyway,without telling me... |
| 20:57.57 | MonMotha | not as pissed, though communication could be better... |
| 21:09.00 | [g2] | MonMotha what kinda board are you building ? |
| 21:09.32 | MonMotha | [g2]: basically an overgrown interface for some parts hanging off USB |
| 21:09.37 | MonMotha | for work |
| 21:10.08 | [g2] | 2.0 ? |
| 21:10.28 | [g2] | if it's a secret _don't_ tell |
| 21:10.32 | [g2] | :) |
| 21:12.16 | MonMotha | not high speed, if that's what you're asking |
| 21:12.26 | MonMotha | you'll probably be able to buy one in a few months if you really, really want to |
| 21:12.57 | [g2] | but is in to building toys too :) |
| 21:13.28 | MonMotha | it's made for evaluating other parts |
| 21:15.21 | MonMotha | and regarding the design/layout, I tend to do both |
| 21:16.26 | MonMotha | you'd be amazed at what I can cram into 2 layers :)) |
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| 22:02.59 | prpplague | holy molly |
| 22:03.02 | prpplague | http://www.amltd.com/M5900.asp |
| 22:03.11 | prpplague | web site has been updated |
| 22:07.41 | chouimat|ibook | nice :) |
| 22:22.01 | MonMotha | prpplague: We're still looking into switchers for you. We've been swamped getting this board out to production the past few days, but things should be settled down, now |
| 22:27.41 | prpplague | MonMotha: hehe np, i know how that is |
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