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| 13:13.56 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 13:18.02 | prpplague | can anyone access http://hackables.eu? |
| 13:18.04 | prpplague | can anyone access http://hackables.eu ? |
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| 13:37.50 | prpplague | jbevren: morning |
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| 13:49.30 | prpplague | davidc__: hey |
| 13:49.38 | jbevren | prpplague: morning |
| 13:49.45 | prpplague | davidc__: i had a dream last night you got the camera working, hehe |
| 13:53.04 | gandhijee | prpplague: yea |
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| 13:53.18 | gandhijee | prpplauge: wanna try to get to it via IP, 85.10.209.183 |
| 13:53.18 | jbevren | the hell? |
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| 13:55.28 | prpplague | gandhijee: naw, i used a anon redirect |
| 13:56.07 | gandhijee | k |
| 13:56.32 | gandhijee | you guys happen to know where the code for scanning the PCI bus is for x86 in the kernel tree? |
| 13:57.35 | jbevren | PCI isnt x86 specific (?) |
| 13:58.15 | prpplague | jbevren: no |
| 13:58.24 | prpplague | CP|OLS: morning |
| 13:58.28 | prpplague | CP|OLS: hangover? |
| 13:58.35 | CP|OLS | Not really |
| 13:58.46 | CP|OLS | Just a few cocktails and then a few beers |
| 13:58.53 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:58.56 | CP|OLS | I feel refreshed because I'm two hours ahead of myself |
| 13:59.05 | prpplague | CP|OLS: hehe |
| 13:59.19 | prpplague | CP|OLS: you go to the nudie bar? |
| 13:59.30 | CP|OLS | No - I think some of the AMDers dide |
| 13:59.40 | prpplague | hehe |
| 13:59.42 | gandhijee | yeah its not, but each are has its own scan methods i think |
| 13:59.45 | CP|OLS | I was surprised to find an AMDer here that worked in Dresden |
| 13:59.56 | gandhijee | and setup methods for the bus |
| 14:00.00 | CP|OLS | so we went out and reminised about the good old days when geode was still on the roadmap |
| 14:00.02 | prpplague | CP|OLS: there is a good one there, used to be called "fanny's" iirc |
| 14:00.12 | prpplague | CP|OLS: hehe |
| 14:01.36 | CP|OLS | I'm learning about speeding up startup time |
| 14:01.45 | CP|OLS | Dave Jone's presentation yesterday was hilarious |
| 14:02.11 | prpplague | CP|OLS: hey always does a nice presentation |
| 14:02.22 | prpplague | CP|OLS: OH, you are at that one? |
| 14:02.24 | CP|OLS | Read his paper - it will blow your little mind |
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| 14:02.28 | prpplague | CP|OLS: is that the digital camera one? |
| 14:02.34 | CP|OLS | prpplague: no, that one is next |
| 14:02.34 | prpplague | CP|OLS: thats the one i was looking for now |
| 14:02.49 | prpplague | CP|OLS: you going to that one? |
| 14:04.07 | prpplague | CP|OLS: you at the one about improving startup time using resume? |
| 14:10.22 | CP|OLS | yeah |
| 14:10.33 | CP|OLS | I wanted to listen to it at CELF, but I didn't get a chance |
| 14:13.05 | prpplague | CP|OLS: hey have you look at Keith Packards TWIN windowing system? |
| 14:19.06 | CP|OLS | yeah |
| 14:19.10 | CP|OLS | its pretty damn cool |
| 14:19.17 | CP|OLS | that dude is crazy smart |
| 14:19.20 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:19.43 | prpplague | CP|OLS: 50kb memory foot print |
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| 14:20.16 | CosmicPenguin | gah |
| 14:20.20 | CosmicPenguin | I hate freenode |
| 14:20.59 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:21.23 | prpplague | jbevren: some time ago |
| 14:21.29 | jbevren | prpplague: I never noticed haha |
| 14:21.32 | jbevren | its ok tho |
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| 14:34.47 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:35.55 | davidc__ | prpplague: heh, gettin close all the time |
| 14:37.01 | prpplague | chouimat: hey |
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| 14:50.33 | agaffney | isn't it a bit early? :P |
| 14:51.06 | jbevren | in this field, its never too early for a beer |
| 14:51.24 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i'm kinda shocked at some of these embedded papers from last year and this year |
| 14:51.35 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they seem to be stating alot of obvious stuff |
| 14:56.28 | jbevren | prpplague: like 'computers use digital codes'? etc? hehe |
| 14:58.04 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe |
| 14:58.28 | prpplague | jbevren: no, just that they seem to be nothing more than an introduction to embedded systems |
| 14:58.47 | prpplague | jbevren: just thought OLS was suppose to be used to discuss new techniques |
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| 15:16.01 | jbevren | hrm |
| 15:16.04 | jbevren | shrug :( |
| 15:17.46 | CosmicPenguin | EMbedded is just that far back |
| 15:25.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 15:25.44 | CosmicPenguin | embedded developers are just talking about concepts brought up by desktop folks 3 or 4 years ago |
| 15:26.16 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:03.01 | flyback- | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.08 | flyback- | and it's functional? |
| 16:05.49 | prpplague | flyback-: hmm, lets see, i doubt KP would do an OLS presentation on it if it wasn't |
| 16:06.20 | CosmicPenguin | I've run it |
| 16:06.44 | flyback- | no I mean can you actually find apps for it |
| 16:06.51 | flyback- | or does it just draw boxes and look cool |
| 16:07.04 | CosmicPenguin | what sort of appys would you expect to find? |
| 16:07.15 | flyback- | hmm some kinda browser |
| 16:07.17 | flyback- | irc client |
| 16:07.26 | flyback- | minimal of course |
| 16:08.52 | CosmicPenguin | I doubt it - you see, most embedded apps don't act like little freaking desktops |
| 16:09.17 | flyback- | didn't assume they did |
| 16:09.30 | flyback- | you sound a bit bitter |
| 16:09.49 | CosmicPenguin | its funny that of all the apps you could have chosen, you picked the two most desktopish |
| 16:10.39 | flyback- | it's nice to be able to do common tasks on a embedded platform |
| 16:10.59 | flyback- | oh twin will work on a target without a mmu |
| 16:11.01 | flyback- | very nice |
| 16:11.53 | flyback- | In 1979, I built a graphics library for an atmospheric sciences group that I worked with. The goal was to provide an interactive graphing environment on our VAX 11/780 which included a 512x512 8-bit color display, as well as produce hard-copy plots for publication on an HP pen plotter. Drawing the images on the screen was simple enough, but I needed a way to get text on the screen. I found some stroke fonts, originally developed in the |
| 16:11.57 | flyback- | damn he's been around |
| 16:12.36 | flyback- | wonder if I could port twin to msdos |
| 16:15.45 | flyback- | oh i see |
| 16:15.51 | flyback- | twin is even below embedded |
| 16:15.58 | flyback- | it's like watch display embedded class |
| 16:26.44 | prpplague | flyback-: an embedded system isn't a mobile desktop |
| 16:27.25 | jbevren | so there:) |
| 16:28.01 | prpplague | thats why most GUI's for embedded devices suck, they treat a pda as a small desktop instead of an embedded device |
| 16:28.48 | sorphin | ah, i see prpplague's favorite Texan is at it again |
| 16:29.00 | jbevren | I think Palm did pretty well with their OS |
| 16:29.51 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, funny, aml is sending all of the sales team to LinuxWorld to demo the M5900 |
| 16:30.19 | jbevren | remind me, you work for aml right? |
| 16:30.32 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:30.48 | jbevren | yay I remembered for a change hehe |
| 16:30.51 | prpplague | http://www.amltd.com/M5900.asp |
| 16:31.05 | jbevren | is the m5900 one of your works? |
| 16:31.13 | prpplague | thats the only complaint i have about aml, they only send sales people to conferences |
| 16:31.19 | prpplague | jbevren: yep thats my baby |
| 16:31.28 | prpplague | first of 5 s3c24xx based handhelds |
| 16:32.07 | flyback- | prpplague wow |
| 16:32.35 | prpplague | jbevren: hehe, i think sorphin was bored since i didn't take his bait |
| 16:33.12 | jbevren | prpplague: how do I get one for less than $arm+leg? lol |
| 16:33.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:33.22 | prpplague | jbevren: you don't |
| 16:33.25 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:33.40 | prpplague | jbevren: that pays for my salary, hehe |
| 16:33.52 | jbevren | nod |
| 16:34.24 | jbevren | I"m reminded |
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| 16:34.57 | jbevren | the hell? |
| 16:35.01 | jbevren | this network's about as stable as my client's servers |
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| 16:35.56 | prpplague | wtf? |
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| 16:36.18 | jbevren | prpplague: me too |
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| 16:48.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
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| 18:00.20 | prpplague | GPSFan: PING |
| 18:00.25 | prpplague | oops |
| 18:00.27 | prpplague | capps lock |
| 18:02.08 | *** mode/#edev [+o CosmicPenguin] by ChanServ |
| 18:04.58 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hey crack baby |
| 18:05.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: whatcha have for lunch? |
| 18:07.10 | CosmicPenguin | gyro |
| 18:07.50 | CosmicPenguin | kprobes is so cool |
| 18:07.57 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:08.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea kprobes are cool |
| 18:08.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: much cooler than other probes, especially anal |
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| 18:10.27 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe, ralf over in #mipslinux suggested they needed a Birds Of Feather for OLS |
| 18:10.42 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i suggest for mips it should be Rodents of Fur |
| 18:11.29 | CosmicPenguin | wow - chained kprobes - leet |
| 18:12.52 | prpplague | the rest of you notice CosmicPenguin just totally ignored my jokes? hehehe... |
| 18:13.25 | CosmicPenguin | you told a joke? |
| 18:13.45 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:14.19 | prpplague | ~lart CosmicPenguin for not having a sense of humor |
| 18:15.03 | CosmicPenguin | well, let me know when something humorous is said, and I'll sense it |
| 18:15.05 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: who is this "EmbeddedLinuxGuy"? /whois shows his name as Jesse |
| 18:15.07 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 18:15.11 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: hehe |
| 18:15.33 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i was wondering that might be Jesse Off |
| 18:15.55 | CosmicPenguin | who? |
| 18:16.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: joff |
| 18:17.17 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: with embeddedarm.com |
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| 18:18.50 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you ssh tunnel back to the office? |
| 18:18.55 | CosmicPenguin | yeah |
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| 18:33.03 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:48.44 | prpplague | T0mW: hey old fart |
| 18:49.18 | T0mW | prpplague: that's me! |
| 18:49.31 | T0mW | prpplague: still here while others have gone |
| 18:57.16 | T0mW | huh, ARM processors don't have an opcode for an integer division, eh? |
| 19:01.11 | prpplague | T0mW: no i don't believe it does |
| 19:01.42 | T0mW | interesting, integer multiply but not divide |
| 19:02.37 | prpplague | T0mW: the arm arm has a nice section iirc on converting divides into multiplies |
| 19:03.34 | T0mW | heh, DeMorgan logic eh? complement both operator and operand then multiply and complement the result, heh |
| 19:03.59 | T0mW | not a big issue, just a bit surprising |
| 19:23.50 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.amltd.com/M5900.asp |
| 19:24.51 | T0mW | :D |
| 19:25.49 | T0mW | prpplague: barcode scanner? |
| 19:26.20 | prpplague | yea |
| 19:26.29 | prpplague | T0mW: 5 different optional canners |
| 19:27.06 | prpplague | T0mW: http://www.halted.com/commerce/ccp20987-capacitance-and-inductance-meter-w--freq--and-ttl-ms8201h-mas004.htm |
| 19:27.16 | prpplague | T0mW: was thinking of getting one of those |
| 19:28.48 | jbevren | prpplague: looks pretty cool |
| 19:29.03 | T0mW | jbevren: don |
| 19:29.05 | T0mW | 't |
| 19:29.18 | prpplague | T0mW: howcome? |
| 19:29.27 | prpplague | T0mW: mainly just wanted it to test caps |
| 19:29.28 | T0mW | jbevren: don't tell him that! heh |
| 19:29.49 | T0mW | prpplague: it is pretty though |
| 19:30.01 | T0mW | :) |
| 19:30.11 | prpplague | T0mW: whats wrong with it? |
| 19:30.26 | T0mW | prpplague: nothing at all, just kidding |
| 19:30.57 | prpplague | oh ok |
| 19:31.43 | CosmicPenguin | how strange |
| 19:32.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ? |
| 19:33.18 | CosmicPenguin | Thats just a general comment about T0mW |
| 19:33.35 | prpplague | oh |
| 19:34.52 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: I'm suffer code-shock |
| 19:34.57 | T0mW | CosmicPenguin: I'm suffering code-shock |
| 19:36.40 | CosmicPenguin | T0mW: heh - you need to get back to the hardware |
| 19:37.23 | CosmicPenguin | just you, a soldering iron and a pocket full of dreams |
| 19:39.06 | T0mW | prpplague: you working on that unit now? |
| 19:39.49 | prpplague | T0mW: just finished, it went into production last week, goes on sale monday |
| 19:40.16 | CosmicPenguin | available at find appendage dealers near you |
| 19:41.01 | CosmicPenguin | s/find/fine/ |
| 19:41.03 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:41.10 | T0mW | prpplague: what's the retail price? |
| 19:41.28 | prpplague | *cough* alot |
| 19:49.22 | flyback | probably worth every penny |
| 19:49.28 | flyback | if you are talking about prpplague's love child |
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| 21:46.32 | jbevren | ebay 220009499138 |
| 21:46.38 | jbevren | arm7 was used in symantec's firewall |
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| 22:38.41 | prpplague | ~nslookup www.alsc.com |
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| 22:43.31 | prpplague | T0mW: hey crack baby |
| 22:43.55 | prpplague | T0mW: about to do some eagle stuff |
| 22:58.27 | T0mW | prpplague: have fun! :) |
| 22:58.33 | prpplague | hehe |
| 22:58.38 | T0mW | prpplague: I'm doing regex w/perl |
| 22:58.47 | T0mW | :-/ |
| 22:59.03 | prpplague | T0mW: can't seem to find a QFN-10 package |
| 22:59.19 | T0mW | prpplague: heh |
| 22:59.43 | T0mW | prpplague: can you read mechanical drawings? |
| 22:59.46 | prpplague | T0mW: did i miss something? |
| 23:00.04 | prpplague | T0mW: yea, but surely there is someone out that uses QFN10 |
| 23:00.44 | T0mW | prpplague: prolly, but, you won't have *all* the packages in Eagle, nor any other CAD package for that matter... |
| 23:01.00 | T0mW | prpplague: recall what I said about "standards"? |
| 23:01.08 | prpplague | T0mW: yea |
| 23:01.10 | T0mW | prpplague: they are nice to have, if anyone bothers to follow them |
| 23:01.15 | prpplague | T0mW: but this is pretty standard |
| 23:01.20 | T0mW | LOL |
| 23:05.51 | prpplague | hmm |
| 23:05.53 | prpplague | wait |
| 23:06.22 | prpplague | isn't a QFP the same as a QFN just no lead? |
| 23:07.26 | T0mW | prpplague: you will have to look at the drawing, then check it against the package. |
| 23:08.05 | prpplague | T0mW: it looks the same |
| 23:08.37 | T0mW | prpplague: many times, a manufacturer will give you not only the dimensions of the part but will give you recommended package footprint |
| 23:09.45 | T0mW | prpplague: myself, when I got started doing SMD stuff, I would get one of the parts, then printout the package copper pads to scale, then carefully examine if they matched up. |
| 23:10.44 | T0mW | prpplague: later, when I got more confident of what I was reading off the drawings, I would simply create the new package from a drawing, or, check an existing package against a drawing to see if they matched. |
| 23:11.21 | T0mW | prpplague: I had a number of occasions where I would use the wrong package and would have to re-order the part in a another package size. |
| 23:11.39 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 23:11.43 | prpplague | just kind of a pain |
| 23:13.22 | T0mW | bah, s/ */ /g takes "STACKLEN EQU" and does "S T A C K..." |
| 23:13.24 | T0mW | heh |
| 23:13.40 | T0mW | greedy greedy greedy * |
| 23:13.56 | prpplague | hmm, makes me not want to use this chip |
| 23:14.20 | T0mW | s/[ ]+/ /g works |
| 23:17.21 | prpplague | crap |
| 23:17.31 | prpplague | got every one but this one |
| 23:22.29 | prpplague | hmm |
| 23:22.43 | prpplague | makes me want to use the maxim part since i already have the footprint |
| 23:23.06 | T0mW | heh |
| 23:32.55 | prpplague | really bizare package |
| 23:33.02 | prpplague | S-PDSO-N10 |
| 23:34.23 | prpplague | T0mW: doing the hardware is so much more difficult than the software |
| 23:34.34 | prpplague | T0mW: reminds me of doing programming in the 60's |
| 23:36.06 | T0mW | prpplague: naw, it is just an old dog learning a new trick (dog: "wtf does he want now?") |
| 23:36.15 | T0mW | lol |
| 23:36.38 | prpplague | hehe, yea well its a problem for me because it will take 6 months to get this board usable |
| 23:37.03 | prpplague | too much guess work |
| 23:38.15 | T0mW | :P |
| 23:39.50 | prpplague | hehe, i seriously doubt this will ever see the light of day |