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01:56.00chouimatlalalalalalalalalallalaalaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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03:10.52agaffneychouimat: indeed
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05:07.32T0mWprpplague: your choice
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13:16.27prpplagueT0mW: whats a popular 5v->3.3v regulator thru hole
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13:41.09prpplaguedavidc__: morning crack baby
13:49.21prpplague<PROTECTED>
13:49.36prpplaguenice to see someone who "gets it"
13:56.11jbevrennice
13:56.13jbevrenwhere'd you read that
14:01.16davidc__prpplague: thanks
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14:27.04chouimatmorning
14:27.16davidc__morning
15:16.54prpplaguejbevren: http://digitalliving.cnet.co.uk/specials/0,39030785,49282099,00.htm
15:16.58prpplaguejbevren: read it there
15:38.10jbevrenI so saw that coming (newton wins) heh
15:38.50prpplagueCosmicPenguin: you see that?
15:39.09prpplagueCosmicPenguin: someone actually gets it about the mobile device gui
15:39.18CosmicPenguinHave you guys been reading Garfield the last week - its going all sorts of crazy
15:39.42chouimatnope ... but thanks for the tip
15:40.22prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i stick to cereal boxes and datasheets
15:40.22prpplagueCosmicPenguin: (with some occasional pr0n)
15:40.23jbevrenprpplague: So last night I broght a bag home from my sister's house
15:40.23jbevrenand was too tired to realize I stole her sweet corn instead of bringing the pixter home
15:40.24jbevrenhaha
15:40.26jbevrenfigures doesnt it?
15:40.37prpplaguejbevren: you shouldn;t talk about when like that, not nice to call them bags
15:40.51prpplagues/when/women
15:40.58jbevrenyeah, might want to speak english :0
15:41.21prpplaguejbevren: i never notice it till i hit enter
15:42.20jbevrenhehe
15:53.29chouimatCosmicPenguin: is it the end of garfield?? jon got a sucessful date???
15:54.30prpplaguechouimat: http://www.arrogantbastard.com/
15:58.31jbevrendllo defiance
15:58.33jbevrenoop
16:00.40CosmicPenguinchouimat: thats what folks are saying
16:01.36chouimatprpplague: www.thedailywtf.com/forums/thread/82911.aspx
16:03.20agaffneysaw that one the other day
16:03.26agaffneythat site makes me weep
16:03.48CosmicPenguinI like to read it - because it makes me appreciate my job
16:03.59CosmicPenguinThe utter crap other people do as "porgrammers" is so sad
16:04.21agaffneyyeah, it's usually good for a laugh (or seven)
16:04.25CosmicPenguinhttp://www.cafepress.com/thedailywtf.68015084
16:04.29agaffneyit's part of my daily after-lunch routine
16:04.39chouimatagaffney: the teacher is not a moron ... he probably thought about this a long time
16:04.43agaffney/., thedailywtf, a few web comics
16:05.01agaffneyCosmicPenguin: hah
16:05.13CosmicPenguinagaffney: ever read medium large?
16:05.17agaffneyno
16:05.18agaffneynever heard of it
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16:05.31CosmicPenguinhttp://www.drinkatwork.com/mediumlarge.html
16:05.32agaffney'morning sorphin
16:05.38sorphinagaffney: lo
16:05.49CosmicPenguinAnd to further break your mind - thats written by the same guy who writes the syndicated comic strip Sally Forth
16:05.51sorphinwelp, they're gonna be taking the car apart today, but as of last night
16:05.58sorphinjust from the prelim visual
16:06.04sorphin$7,459.88
16:06.31agaffneyouch
16:06.38agaffneyI presume that's far less than just totalling the car
16:06.49sorphintoday they'll find out if there's any frame damage, engine damage, etc
16:06.58sorphinagaffney: the car still values at 34k
16:07.02agaffneyheh
16:07.09agaffneyhow did the accident happen?
16:07.30sorphinsome chick failed to yield on green at an intersection on Zumbehl
16:07.49sorphini was mayb 20 ft from the stop line, we both had green (no arrows)
16:07.54sorphinshe turned
16:07.55agaffneyfun, my wife's car was totalled for the same reason
16:08.11agaffneymy wife was going straight and the guy on the other side was turning left on green
16:08.40sorphinnod
16:08.46agaffneyaccident wasn't too bad
16:08.47sorphinthis was near red roof and bob evans
16:08.55agaffneyyeah, all those little intersections suck
16:09.09sorphinoh, whta's real fun
16:09.18sorphinyesterday i just goot muegge to get to EPC
16:09.24sorphingot up near 70
16:09.28sorphinwhere they changed it all
16:09.37sorphinsign said no left turn
16:09.43sorphin2 people were holding up the lane
16:09.46sorphinto turn left
16:09.50sorphinand they did turn left
16:09.50agaffneyuhh, "goot muegge"?
16:10.03sorphintook
16:10.06agaffneyah
16:10.10sorphinsorry, not really coherent today
16:10.22agaffneymuegge...I can't think of where that is off the top of my head
16:10.25agaffneysounds familiar, though
16:10.38sorphinstarts at 364
16:10.42sorphinturns into cave springs
16:10.46chouimatCosmicPenguin: the jesus one is really good ;)
16:10.49agaffneyah, ok
16:11.07prpplaguehmm
16:11.15agaffneyI've never been very far on that road
16:11.16prpplaguei think our handhelds are much better than theirs - http://www.datamatic.com/roadrunner_field_computers.html
16:11.22agaffneymostly just been to target a few times coming from 70
16:14.22sorphinnod
16:14.35sorphinwell, i wasn't going near that zumbehl intersection again
16:14.52agaffneyEPC is having a big sale on August 5th
16:14.56agaffneythe tax free day thing
16:15.01sorphinah
16:15.06agaffneyI'll be heading up there to grab some HDs
16:15.12agaffneyhopefully get them even cheaper :P
16:15.16sorphinwell, when i was up there to get my toner, didn't really see anything i wanted
16:15.17sorphinlol
16:15.31sorphinagaffney: you have any sun gear?
16:15.34agaffneyI need a remote power switch and a larger UPS
16:15.41agaffneysorphin: currently, just a Netra t1125
16:15.46sorphinah
16:15.52sorphinjust bought 8x256M dimms
16:15.54sorphin$45
16:15.55sorphinMicron
16:16.11sorphinexact same dimms as the micron 256's for ultra 5/10/AXi
16:16.13agaffneywill it work in the Netra? it's the same board as the U60
16:16.21sorphinpart number changed from FG to G
16:16.24sorphinchips
16:16.26sorphinidentical
16:16.29sorphinspecs identical
16:16.32agaffneyheh
16:16.42sorphinprolly just did a special part # for Sun
16:16.46sorphinso they could 'monopolize'
16:16.58agaffneywhile I could always use more memory for boasting purposes, my current 1GB has always been plenty in that box
16:17.03sorphinwell
16:17.08sorphinall i have for the AXi
16:17.12sorphinis 4x128M
16:17.18jbevrenheh
16:17.22sorphin11bit, so confined to 4 slots
16:17.23jbevrenfirefox would kill that in about 10 mins
16:17.31agaffneywhat is the AXi? I've never heard of it
16:17.38sorphinjbevren: No GUI ;)
16:17.40jbevrenATX format sparc motherboard
16:17.42sorphinyep
16:17.47agaffneyah, interesting
16:17.49sorphinThere's the AXi
16:17.51sorphinAXe
16:17.52agaffneydidn't know there was such a thing
16:17.54sorphinAXmp
16:17.54jbevrena-la whitebox sun :)
16:18.03sorphindifferences
16:18.07agaffneyah, clones
16:18.09sorphinAXi is like a ultra5/10
16:18.14sorphinbut w/ scsi instead
16:18.23sorphinand a bit more stable
16:18.25sorphinand 8 mem slots
16:18.26prpplaguejbevren: i think that should be "aka" not "a la"
16:18.35agaffneythat certaintly eliminates one of the reasons the U5/10 suck so much
16:18.42sorphinprpplague: don't you have some beer you should be drinking? ;)
16:18.48prpplaguesorphin: i wish
16:18.50agaffneythat crappy IDE chipset with busted ass DMA :P
16:18.51sorphinhehe
16:19.23sorphinagaffney: it has a slot connector that hooks to 2 plugs on the MB for PS/2 KB/Mouse
16:19.32sorphinand will take certain PCI vid cards
16:19.35jbevrenprpplague: The thought I had when typing it fit a-la
16:19.36jbevren:)
16:19.37sorphinplus
16:19.46sorphinhas the normal sun gfx slot
16:19.57agaffneysorphin: the U5/10 will take any PCI video cards...they just won't be initialized by OBP :)
16:20.03agaffneyah, the PCI UPA?
16:20.04sorphinwell
16:20.07sorphinyes
16:20.11sorphinas well as the OBP
16:20.18sorphinwill recognize certain pci vid cards
16:20.18agaffneyexcept for Matrox cards
16:20.20agaffneyand a few others
16:20.31sorphinnod
16:20.37agaffneymatrox++
16:20.46sorphinbut, since i want the full 1G
16:20.58sorphinthe 128's won't cut it, since they're 11bit
16:21.17agaffneycan the U60 use the same memory as the U5/10?
16:21.17sorphinthe board has thermal monitoring too
16:21.20agaffneyooh
16:21.23agaffneyspiffy
16:21.29sorphinno
16:21.33sorphinthe U30/U60
16:21.37sorphintake the same memory though
16:21.43agaffneystill a single proc up to 440MHz?
16:21.47sorphinyes
16:21.50jbevrenI have a pair of ultra1's
16:21.54jbevrenone's a 1, the other a 1e
16:22.10jbevrenI should get a trio of 24bit framebuffers for one :)
16:22.14sorphinagaffney: hehe
16:22.15sorphinSun Ultra 30 UPA/PCI (UltraSPARC-II 296MHz)
16:22.15sorphinMemory Interleave Factor = 2-way
16:22.21jbevrentheyre reasonably quiet, so they'd make a good terminal :)
16:22.22sorphintotal memory = 768MB
16:22.37sorphin8x64M
16:22.44sorphin8x32M
16:22.54agaffneydoesn't the 1e have a hme instead of a le (NIC) and no framebuffer?
16:23.06sorphiniirc, some of my memory came out of a E450?
16:23.08jbevrensorphin: cgsix is the 24bit fb right?
16:23.11jbevrenor is it cg3
16:23.14agaffneyle? that doesn't sound right
16:23.14sorphinsix
16:23.20sorphincgsix
16:23.32jbevrensorphin: thanks :)
16:23.37agaffneyI had a cg6 in my SS20
16:23.45sorphini have a 100basetx SBUS card
16:23.48sorphini'm not using
16:24.02sorphinsince my ss20s are out of commission
16:24.16agaffneyI was using my U2 as a router for a while with the onboard hme and a SBUS lance for the internet-facing side
16:24.16sorphinalso have a spare HME card (pci)
16:24.25sorphinand a an HME/SCSI card (pci)
16:24.28agaffneythen I sold it
16:24.44agaffneymy SBUS lance cards had SCSI too
16:24.48agaffneythat just seemed weird to me
16:24.53agaffneya combo scsi/net card
16:25.16jbevrennod
16:25.20jbevrenIve seen asus ones
16:25.29sorphinwhat's fun
16:25.33sorphinon the AXi
16:25.37jbevrentheyre regular pci cards, but they use some centronics-style pci plug
16:25.49sorphinyou can use the ps/2 KB/MOUSE and still use the tty for output
16:25.50sorphinlol
16:25.57jbevrenagaffney: did you see the usb/firewire/ethernet combo card linked a few days ago? heh
16:25.58agaffneynifty "{
16:26.04agaffneyjbevren: no
16:26.15agaffneys/:{/:P/
16:26.21jbevrenhttp://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=1016-0018-000A&cpc=RECOM
16:26.21agaffneybleh
16:26.25agaffneys/"{/:P/
16:26.37sorphinheh
16:26.43sorphinanyways
16:26.48sorphini'm gonna have 4 spare dimms
16:26.49agaffneythat's interesting
16:26.50sorphinthat's why i asked
16:26.51agaffneyis there a linux driver? :P
16:27.02jbevrenrtl8169 gigabit on that one
16:27.10jbevrenafaik there's a driver for 8169
16:27.40agaffneysorphin: I've got a friend with a U10. I'll ask if he wants the 4x128MB. how much do you want for them?
16:27.45jbevren< > Realtek 8169 gigabit ethernet support
16:27.50jbevrenthere is a driver indeed
16:27.58jbevren(2.6.17.6 menuconfig)
16:28.02agaffneyfor everything on the card, though?
16:28.13agaffneydoes it just present itself as multiple PCI devices?
16:28.18jbevrenits a standard ohci/echi card I bet
16:28.32sorphinagaffney: well, i was thinking of putting those in the U5 and selling the U5 now, the spares would be the other 4 256s
16:28.40sorphinwhich would fit a U10
16:28.42agaffneyah
16:28.51agaffneyeven better :P
16:28.55sorphinhehe
16:29.01sorphindont' tell him what i paid though :P
16:29.07sorphinthe ones i was watching before
16:29.16sorphinwere $19.99 a pair and $30 a pair
16:29.21sorphin;)
16:29.29agaffneyheh
16:29.33sorphinstill cheap though
16:29.37sorphincompared to most
16:30.07sorphincool
16:30.10sorphinput it in the rack :P
16:30.11sorphinlol
16:30.15agaffneysorphin: already is :P
16:30.17agaffneyit's on the shelf
16:30.19sorphingood
16:30.27jbevrenagaffney: usb's supported
16:30.35jbevrengeeks doesnt have the firewire chiplisted
16:30.40agaffneywe (Gentoo mips-type people) are working on a X LiveCD for the Octane
16:30.43jbevrens/pl/p l/
16:30.46agaffneyand a few other machines
16:30.49sorphinwell, find who made the card itself
16:30.56agaffneyI think it'll work on ip27, ip28, and ip30
16:31.13sorphinnod
16:31.18sorphinstill want to sell my IP22
16:31.19sorphinheh
16:31.22jbevrenhehe
16:31.30jbevrenI have 2.5 (one has no mboard)
16:31.37sorphinnod
16:31.37agaffneyip22 is what...Indy?
16:31.43sorphinIndigo2
16:31.46jbevrenoh
16:31.49jbevrenwhats indy?
16:31.59sorphinI21? I20? i dunno
16:32.03jbevrenhehe
16:32.05sorphinerm
16:32.06sorphinip
16:32.07sorphinnot i
16:32.17agaffneythe only one I really know is ip30=Octane :P
16:32.21sorphinnod
16:32.25sorphinwell, this is a good box
16:32.28sorphini jsut can't use it
16:32.32agaffneyand ip35 is Tezro or Fuel
16:32.38sorphinno time to argue w/ the video out
16:32.47agaffneyI still need to find a 2x300MHz R10K for my Octane
16:33.06agaffneymy board is apparently too old to use R14K
16:33.19agaffneymine came with a 1x195MHz R10K
16:33.31sorphinmine's a R4400/200mhz
16:35.02CosmicPenguinYay - Buildrom now actually builds a ROM
16:35.07sorphinyay
16:35.10jbevrenCosmicPenguin: cool
16:35.21jbevrenincl bootloader?
16:35.29CosmicPenguinYep - the whole shootin match
16:35.36jbevrenvery sweet
16:35.44CosmicPenguintype 'make' and eventually a 1MB rom image pops out the other side
16:35.50agaffneya tad offtopic...anyone know where/how the MAC filtering is handled in openwrt?
16:36.25agaffneyI can't seem to find any reference to the nvram variables used for it in any of the startup scripts
16:36.35sorphinagaffney: message [mbm] :)
16:37.01sorphinOpenWRT is his baby
16:37.09sorphin+mostly
16:37.26agaffneyI'd rather not bug the developers directly until I've sufficiently exhausted other resources
16:37.31sorphinheh
16:37.35sorphinthen I'll ask him :P
16:37.39agaffneyheh
16:37.44agaffneyI figured :P
16:37.46sorphinback from TiVo work
16:37.52agaffneyah
16:38.02mallumhey sorphin
16:38.11sorphinmallum: wotcher sir
16:38.18mallumsorphin: how are you ?
16:38.34sorphintired, and car is badly hurt, but hanging in there, yourself?
16:40.08sorphinagaffney: just asked him
16:41.03sorphini knew he'd be a smartass
16:41.04sorphinlol
16:41.18sorphin[[mbm](i=mbm@openwrt.org)] seems like a question for #openwrt
16:41.20sorphin[[mbm](i=mbm@openwrt.org)] but I suppose you want to know the answer?
16:41.23sorphinhehe
16:41.34agaffney#openwrt's topic says not to ask for support :P
16:41.44agaffneyand I consider that sort of a support question
16:42.09sorphinhere's the answer:
16:42.14chouimatprpplague: thanks for the arrogantbastard link ... finally managed to see it ...
16:42.20sorphinagaffney: [[mbm](i=mbm@openwrt.org)] if it's wireless mac filtering, the driver supports
16:42.21sorphin<PROTECTED>
16:42.21sorphin<PROTECTED>
16:42.39agaffneyah, so it's handled by the kernel driver?
16:42.59agaffneythose were the nvram vars I was talking about
16:43.00sorphinthink so
16:43.02agaffneyI know how to use them
16:43.13agaffneyI was just curious what actually read them and implemented the filtering
16:43.42agaffneyok, so I'd have to actually turn it off and switch to filtering in iptables to do what I want
16:43.55sorphinthose above are nvram vars
16:43.58sorphinthat he mentioned
16:44.06agaffneyyes
16:44.09agaffneyhttp://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html
16:44.15agaffneythat's what I want to do :)
16:44.19sorphinheh
16:44.23sorphinsaw it on /.
16:44.40agaffneybut I also want to ensure that someone can't bypass the filtering by setting  a static IP on the "trusted" subnet
16:44.56sorphinnod
16:45.00mallumsorphin: yeah I am good
16:45.07sorphinmallum: and the mrs?
16:45.23mallumsorphin: heavily preggars :)
16:45.28sorphinuh oh
16:45.34sorphinmallum: gotta keep it in yoru pants mate ;)
16:45.40mallumhehe
16:45.45chouimatlol kittenwar!!!!
16:46.05sorphinif you really wanted to torture someone
16:46.09sorphinsend them to the KDE pages ;)
16:46.11agaffneyhah
16:46.23agaffneyI actually like kittenwar.com
16:46.33sorphinditto
16:46.41chouimatsorphin: btw the kde developers love you too ;)
16:46.47agaffneyhttp://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/images/puddy_sun.jpg
16:46.55agaffneyhttp://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/images/puddy_drawer.jpg
16:47.00sorphinchouimat: how would the 'developers' know me? :P
16:47.14agaffneyhttp://dev.gentoo.org/~agaffney/images/IMG_1022.jpg
16:47.19agaffneymy kitty ^^ :)
16:47.45chouimatsorphin: I don't know ...
16:48.17jbevrenagaffney: you should also send html pages through a parser and piglatin all non-tag text :)
16:48.24sorphinlol
16:48.37agaffneyjbevren: I was considering something like that as well
16:48.47agaffneyI'd have to run the squid proxy on my sparc or something
16:48.53agaffneybecause my wrt54gs couldn't keep up
16:49.02agaffneyso do I
16:49.07sorphinso i just lock them out and be done with it
16:49.09agaffneybut I want to have more fun with it :)
16:49.13jbevrenagaffney: indeed
16:49.25agaffneyI setup remote logging to my desktop last night
16:49.33agaffneyso I can see when people get kittenwar'd or something
16:49.35jbevrenagaffney: and make sure you scramble anything that's not html or image
16:49.36jbevren:)
16:49.43agaffneyor even goatse'd if I'm really feeling evil
16:49.50jbevreninsert random swearwords into IM conversations
16:49.57agaffneyalthough, I could probably just hear their screams from 4 apartments away
16:50.37agaffneyjbevren: I could flip the images and reverse the order of all words :P
16:50.42sorphinwhoever 'owns' goatse... should be drawn and quartered
16:51.08agaffneyyeah, I've unfortuantely been on the receiving end of that a few times :/
16:51.45sorphini've heard there's other disturbing images there, but you have to know what they're linked at
16:52.06jbevrenagaffney: Just add a header to each html page that reads "We have your IP address and are contacting the FBI cybercriminal department."
16:52.57agaffneyhah
16:53.09agaffneysorphin: yeah, there's a wikipedia article that lists a lot of them
16:53.14agaffneyit just doesn't link them (thankfully)
16:53.23agaffneywikipedia would probably get in trouble for that
16:55.32jbevrenhm
16:55.36jbevrenmy ultra1 has a scsi-enet in it heh
16:58.39gandhijeewww.lemonparty.org
16:58.44gandhijeecheck out my website
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17:08.38prpplaguejbevren: http://www.hackables.eu
17:08.46prpplaguejbevren: has  nice looking s3c2410 board
17:09.00prpplaguejbevren: $300EU
17:10.33jbevrenhttp://www.acc.umu.se/images/comp/o2.jpg
17:10.37jbevrenlol nobody stealing that O2
17:10.38jbevrenthats for sure
17:13.29chouimatjbevren: just take the table ;)
17:13.57jbevrenchouimat: lol
17:14.30sorphincut the cable
17:15.04sorphinstill looks like there's a cable holding it to the rail
17:15.19jbevrensorphin: battery powered dremel
17:15.21jbevrenthat's the key :)
17:15.27jbevrenprpplague: Do these use the dimm cards?
17:16.58sorphinjbevren: which i have ;)
17:17.11sorphinone of the LiIon ones ;)
17:17.18sorphinrealy nice
17:19.02jbevrenprpplague: http://hackables.eu/product_info.php/cPath/1/products_id/28
17:19.33jbevrendoesnt come with the lcd I guess, but it can drive 1024x768
17:24.49jbevrenheh drr
17:24.52jbevrenit comes with the tft :)
17:30.37jbevrenhehe
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17:39.56prpplaguejbevren: yea some of those use dimm cpu cards
17:44.00jbevrenI like the nano2410 hehe
17:44.07jbevrenits like an uber-lnode
17:45.22prpplaguejbevren: you see the new atmel arm9 on linuxdevices?
17:46.12jbevrenI havent checked linuxdev for a while
17:46.46prpplaguejbevren: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3018896570.html
17:46.59prpplagueCosmicPenguin: so whats the latest on the new job?
17:47.01davidc__ooh, new atmel atm9s?
17:47.08prpplaguedavidc__: new package
17:47.17prpplaguedavidc__: i didn't word that well
17:47.50davidc__thats pretty slick
17:47.54prpplaguehehe, now picture that something similiar but with just 40 pins, and a s3c2410
17:48.15jbevrenis the lnode still under development?
17:48.32prpplaguejbevren: yea
17:48.35prpplaguejbevren: just slow
17:48.47prpplaguejbevren: revamped to be called the LNODE-40
17:48.58prpplague40-pin dip package and a s3c2410
17:49.05jbevrenprpplague: Cool beans
17:49.44prpplaguei still think the lnode80 would have gone over big
17:49.59prpplaguei guess since it hasn't gone to production i could take a pic of one
17:50.16jbevrenor you could accidentally send me one :)
17:51.18chouimatjbevren: hehe
17:51.30prpplaguehmm
17:51.39prpplaguei need something for a reference size in the pic
17:52.01jbevrenhow about a beer cap
17:52.06prpplaguecf card
17:52.08jbevrenor hold it in your hand while you shoot it
18:03.38gandhijeehey can you guys recommend any books about linux and PCI and how to ask to become the bus master?
18:04.02jbevrendont you assert breq and wait for back? :)
18:04.32prpplaguegandhijee: you can study in a monestery for a long time to become the master
18:05.03gandhijeejbevren: i have no idea, thats why i need a book to figure it out
18:05.04prpplaguejbevren: "you've got spam!"
18:05.07gandhijeeor some guide or something
18:05.36jbevrengandhijee: are you developing hardware?
18:05.42jbevrenprpplague: to starbase or ?
18:05.57jbevrendigiconnect wi-me is still attractive
18:06.18prpplagueyea starbase
18:07.11*** mode/#edev [+o prpplague] by ChanServ
18:07.12jbevrenk
18:08.01jbevrenand arrive it does
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18:08.36jbevrensigh
18:08.43jbevrenyet another cool device that never hit the market :)
18:08.47prpplagueyep
18:08.52prpplaguejbevren: whatcha think?
18:08.56jbevrenits pretty cool
18:08.59jbevrenwhat are the specs again?
18:09.24prpplaguelh79520, 32mb sdram, 16mb flash, sd/mmc card onboard
18:09.30jbevrencool
18:09.35prpplagueyou can see the slot on the back
18:09.36gandhijeejbevren: well i have this piece of hardware from intel, its an IXP465 on the same PCB as a Pentium M
18:09.37jbevrennod
18:09.38prpplagueall .1" headers
18:09.44gandhijeethey sit on the PCI bus together.
18:09.57prpplaguejbevren: guess i should have taken a pic of the dev board
18:10.11gandhijeeand i need the IXP to take control of the PCI bus so i can have it initalize this other piece of hardware and control it
18:10.15jbevrengandhijee: Look up the TotalPower TPMP2 (I think that's what they were called) cards
18:10.20jbevrenthey had four powerpc's on PCI
18:10.33prpplaguejbevren:  i thought it rocked
18:10.49prpplaguejbevren: but the feedback we got back wasn't very good :(
18:11.05gandhijeethe IXP side is similar to the ENP-2611 from radisys
18:11.23gandhijeecept its using the 465, so not as many NPU/NPE's
18:12.19gandhijeeintel has some lame idea of using the IXP as just a pure integrated firewall for an IP-PBX
18:16.41prpplaguejbevren: "you've got spam!"
18:17.20jbevrenyoure such a tease
18:17.21jbevrenhaha
18:17.27jbevrensending me pictures of stuff I'll never have
18:17.40prpplaguejbevren: thats the early proto of the lnode40
18:18.42prpplaguejbevren: thats what we used for the first rev of the M5900
18:20.36jbevrencool
18:22.48jbevrenprpplague:http://www.gridconnect.com/sk23.html
18:22.53jbevrenthats your arm8 atmel heh
18:23.13jbevren$200 for the board alone
18:23.51prpplaguejbevren: hehe i tried to open that and mozilla said "prpplague is not a protocol!"
18:23.53prpplaguehehe
18:24.07jbevrenprpplague: http://www.gridconnect.com/sk23.html
18:24.08jbevrenlol
18:25.14prpplaguejbevren: "you've got spam!"
18:26.15prpplaguewow that looks almost identical
18:26.40jbevrenheh
18:26.57prpplaguejbevren: you get that last one?
18:27.18jbevrenyep
18:27.43prpplaguej19 over on the right hand side is the connection for the edtp enc28j60 module
18:28.07jbevrencool
18:28.17jbevrenthe dimm socket?
18:29.08prpplaguejbevren: not sure what you are asking
18:29.16jbevrenin the scanner picture
18:29.20prpplagueis there a good MC68328 emulator for linux?
18:29.33jbevrenisnt that a 68030 cpu?
18:29.42prpplaguejbevren: the dimm socket is the cpu board
18:29.48jbevrenright ok
18:29.58prpplaguejbevren: dragonball something or other
18:30.09jbevrennod, the 683xx are 680x0 cpu's
18:30.27jbevrendunno fi there's a general debug-style emu
18:31.15prpplaguejbevren: well actually i wanted to run a MC68328 app in linux
18:32.51jbevrenohh
18:32.56jbevrenlike palm did with their arm-based pda's
18:33.01jbevren(and, in fact, still does)
18:33.07prpplagueyea
18:33.09jbevren(and apple with their powerpc macs) heh
18:34.17jbevrenpublic censorship stage 1 has passed the house
18:34.35jbevrenso you cant access amazon, myspace, slashdot from a public terminal
18:34.41prpplagueyep
18:34.43prpplaguesaw that
18:34.53jbevrenwelcome to the great Police State of America
18:35.02prpplaguejbevren: whatcha think of the dev board? i think its pretty darn good design
18:35.10jbevrenprpplague: It's pretty cool
18:35.23prpplaguejbevren: hmm the Palm OS Emulator is gpl
18:35.28davidc__prpplague: you mean, that little dip24 module?
18:35.32davidc__prpplague: thats pretty slick
18:36.39prpplaguedavidc__: whats that?
18:36.48prpplaguedavidc__: oh you mean the one sfe is selling?
18:42.41prpplaguejbevren: interesting looks like POSE could be modified to do other hardware i guess
18:42.59jbevrenprpplague: mind its GUI behavior
18:43.08chouimatjbevren: wait ... soon they will rename your country to UTSA ...
18:43.13jbevrenI've had to switch to a tty on multiple occasions to kill it because it would freeze my WM
18:43.24jbevrenchouimat: they should have long ago
18:43.43jbevrenUSA became a capitalist totalitarianism a few years ago
18:43.44chouimatUnited Theocratic States of America ... aka Jesusland :)
18:44.51chouimatjbevren: saw this article? http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Canada ?
18:46.13prpplaguejbevren: "<jbevren> prpplague: mind its GUI behavior" ???
18:49.47jbevrenjbevren> I've had to switch to a tty on multiple occasions to kill it because it would freeze my WM
18:49.53jbevrenprpplague: ^
18:50.05jbevrenI'd have to switch out of X because my WM would become unresponsive
18:50.08jbevrenthen I kill the emulator
18:50.14jbevrenthen the wm suddenly works atain
18:50.16jbevren=again
18:50.23prpplagueahh
18:56.11prpplagueT0mW: didn't you do some stuff with dragonball
18:58.11chouimatprpplague: arm or m68k one?
18:58.35jbevrenthere's an arm dragonball?
18:59.32chouimatjbevren: iirc the i.mx one is arm
19:00.18prpplaguechouimat: MC68328
19:01.11davidc__prpplague: nah, that armthing you linked to
19:01.50prpplaguedavidc__: oh its 68-pin not 24
19:02.09jbevrendavidc__: haha
19:02.09jbevrenhttp://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Kitten_Huffing
19:02.13jbevrenoh
19:02.22jbevrenshoudl be sent to chouimat
19:02.23chouimatjbevren: jeje
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19:14.09prpplagueCosmicPenguin: "you've got spam!"
19:14.18CosmicPenguinyah!
19:25.57jbevrenhm
19:26.03jbevrenfvwm2 is almost identical in behavior nowo
19:26.04jbevrenyay
19:26.42prpplagueCosmicPenguin: there is a palm emulator for microwindows/nanox?
19:26.51prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i've seen it referenced several times
19:26.56prpplagueCosmicPenguin: but not seen any downloads
19:29.05prpplaguelooks like POSE can be used to do other hardware, but the details are sketchy
19:29.05CosmicPenguinprpplague: heh - not really
19:29.09CosmicPenguinprpplague: I've run it before - its eye-candy, but not really useful
19:29.20prpplagueCosmicPenguin: why's that?
19:29.27prpplagueCosmicPenguin: you've run POSE/
19:29.28prpplague?
19:29.44CosmicPenguinnoI've never run pose
19:30.12prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ahh what was the name of the one you ran?
19:30.17CosmicPenguinI can't remember
19:30.22CosmicPenguinit was the one that ran on nanox
19:30.24prpplaguedoh
19:30.31prpplagueCosmicPenguin: was it xcopilot?
19:30.39CosmicPenguinthat doesn't sound right
19:30.57prpplaguehehe was renamed POSE
19:32.06prpplagueCosmicPenguin: why do you say it wasn't really useful?
19:32.11prpplagueCosmicPenguin: (just curious)
19:33.31prpplagueCosmicPenguin: btw, i'm all setup to start doing some testing on the bios flash design this weekend
19:36.03CosmicPenguinheh
19:36.03CosmicPenguinfun
19:36.18CosmicPenguinprpplague: the nanox port just didn't really work very well
19:36.36CosmicPenguinit showed a palm and stuff appeared on the screen, but it didn't seem useful from a development standpoint
19:37.10CosmicPenguinprpplague: http://dev.laptop.org/git.do?p=users/jcrouse/buildrom;a=summary
19:37.20CosmicPenguinprpplague: now it goes all the way from nothing to a working ROM image
19:37.32CosmicPenguinSome of that might be interesting in buildroot as well
19:37.53CosmicPenguinIn fact, the LinuxBIOS guys are thinking about adopting it across the board
19:38.57prpplaguecoooool
19:39.16prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i've not used linuxbios before
19:39.30prpplagueCosmicPenguin: is the bios setup screens pretty configurable?
19:40.11prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hmm, interesting about the emulator
19:40.34prpplagueCosmicPenguin: we got a request today to be able to run an emulator of some of our old hardware
19:40.41prpplagueCosmicPenguin: one of which was based on the MC68328
19:41.53CosmicPenguinbios setup screens?
19:41.58CosmicPenguinI know not of what you talk
19:42.28prpplagueCosmicPenguin: hehe, i am probably not using the right wording
19:42.43prpplagueCosmicPenguin: i.e. the setup screen where you configure the devices on the system like ide devices
19:43.15CosmicPenguinno - I knew what you meant - but no, linuxbios has no such thing
19:43.16CosmicPenguinat least I don't think it does
19:43.17CosmicPenguinthe Geode stuff doesn't for sure
19:43.19prpplagueCosmicPenguin: ahh
19:43.27prpplagueCosmicPenguin: so how do you configure that stuff?
19:45.18CosmicPenguinat build time
19:45.34CosmicPenguinhttp://wired.com/wired/archive/14.08/laptop.html
19:46.04prpplagueCosmicPenguin: uh isn't that a pain if you have to change?
19:46.18CosmicPenguinprobably
19:46.35CosmicPenguinbut thats not what LInuxBIOS brings to the OLPC project
19:47.53prpplagueCosmicPenguin: yea, gotcha, i was just thinking in terms of a standard peecee
19:48.06prpplaguehmm well xcopilot built are runs
19:49.36prpplaguehehe, wonder how hackable this is
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20:08.52prpplaguehehe
20:08.58prpplaguechouimat: ain't that the truth
20:09.18agaffneyheh
20:09.18flybackprpplague I am canucked and I need your help
20:09.48flybackI have one of the wonderful palm revisions where dips*** palm decided to do away with the battery plug and just direct solder
20:09.59flybackgiven how delicate and $400 this is
20:10.11flybackwhat's the easiest and safest method to add some kinda disconnect to the battery
20:10.30flybackI am thinking snip the wires in half and add something mid point but not sure if enough room in the case
20:10.58prpplagueflyback: i'd have to see a picture of the board
20:11.06flybackhang on I thought you might say that ;)
20:11.42flybackit's been acting up so I want to take the electronics to room temp by disconnecting the battery
20:12.12flybackvideo ok?
20:12.37prpplagueflyback: what?
20:12.51flybackI have instructions of taking it apart in video form
20:12.54flybackshows the board etc
20:12.57flybacklemme try to find pics hang on
20:13.25flybackcool they already have a bigger capacity battery you can hack in, nice
20:15.27flybackdon't worry about it for now, I can't find the damn pics
20:18.18flybackI can't wait till I get linux on this pos
20:18.45flybackI had to wipe out the internal ram + flash plus use a trick to crash the palm to drain down the battery to clear the internal ram
20:18.59flybackbecause of a damn corrupted config file in ram that was crashing apps left and right
20:19.41flybackah
20:19.41flybackhttp://hackndev.com/palm/tt5
20:52.27flybacklooks like the eu is accepting that some applications need lead and stuff
21:04.12sunrunner20agaffney:
21:04.35sunrunner20wtf
21:04.48sunrunner20http://sunrunner20.brainspore.net/files/imagegallerymodule/@random429e79e399d07/gallery12/IMG_1708_up.jpg
21:04.49sunrunner20oki
21:04.50sunrunner20there we go
21:05.05sunrunner20guess i hit copy image instead of copy image location
21:05.06sunrunner20oh
21:05.13sunrunner20and <3 synergy
21:05.42jbevrenheh
21:05.49jbevrenI need to set synergy up
21:06.44sunrunner20it took 30 seconds between my two windows machines
21:06.54sunrunner20its nice
21:07.08sunrunner20i have it set to wait 1/4 second and only work from the bottom right corner
21:07.32sunrunner20my mouse never goes there unless to switch to my lappy now
21:07.33jbevrenhehe
21:10.04sunrunner20and jbevren, check out my kitty link :)
21:11.10sunrunner20now i get to take apart my nvidia 6800U
21:11.14sunrunner20switching to watercooling
21:11.17jbevren<PROTECTED>
21:11.20jbevrendual 7600GS
21:11.23jbevrenboth passively cooled :P
21:11.30jbevrensmartfan on cpu too,
21:11.35sunrunner20heh
21:11.36jbevrenif I keep the box cool enough, it doesnt even turn on
21:11.38jbevrenmwahaha
21:11.46sunrunner20what cpu?
21:11.50jbevrenopteron 142
21:12.04jbevrenoh
21:12.04jbevren144
21:12.08jbevrenmodel name      : AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 144
21:12.11jbevrencpu MHz         : 1809.394
21:12.12jbevrencache size      : 1024 KB
21:12.14jbevrenmmm cache
21:12.16sunrunner20lol
21:12.17sunrunner20yea
21:12.25sunrunner201meg cache :)
21:12.27sunrunner20same here
21:12.28sunrunner20execpt
21:12.38sunrunner20first generation hyperthreading P4
21:12.51jbevrenheh
21:12.55jbevrenthose things are horrible for heat
21:12.55sunrunner20i was unlucky and got one of the last from intels first batch of making them :(
21:12.58jbevrenthe 1g p4's
21:13.11sunrunner20yea, i know
21:13.12sunrunner20:s
21:13.24jbevrenhm
21:13.24sunrunner20i need to sell mine to some idiot on ebay
21:13.29sunrunner20and buy another
21:13.39sunrunner20same proc, different stepping
21:13.51sunrunner20aka, a second or third gen p4
21:14.32jbevrenantec sonata2, gigabyte GA-k8n-sli, 2x pcie NX7600GS, 4G kingston ddr400, 2x seagate sata3.0 80g drives
21:14.34jbevrenhehe
21:14.50sunrunner20still though, i'm running it at a 1/10 of a volt over stock and 500mhz overclock
21:14.54jbevren3x dvi->openLDI adapters, 3x sgi 1600sw
21:15.10jbevrenshame the sonata's not charcoal colored hehe
21:15.10sunrunner20heh
21:15.30sunrunner20my case has a box of wood bolted to the bottom :p
21:15.49jbevrenhehe
21:15.54jbevrenso it'll float in your water cooler?
21:16.03sunrunner20lol
21:16.04sunrunner20no
21:16.11jbevrenI like the disks though, they do a steady 70MB/sec
21:16.13sunrunner20it holds the wc pump+radiator
21:16.22jbevrenand since theyre striped, they do 140M on raid0 hehe
21:16.39sunrunner20i've got a 300gb 7200.3 (seagate)
21:16.43jbevrennod
21:16.49sunrunner20love it
21:16.49jbevrenmine are 7200.3, but only 80g
21:16.53jbevrenI didnt even want that much storage heh
21:17.15sunrunner20i've got mine suspended in my spair 5.5" bays
21:17.19jbevrenoh wait
21:17.21sunrunner20silent as can be
21:17.23jbevrenmine's a 7200.9
21:17.28jbevrenyeah, suspension mount rocks :)
21:17.31jbevrensonata has that on every bay
21:17.32sunrunner20wait a sec then
21:17.41jbevrensunrunner20: sata 3.0g
21:17.50sunrunner20*installs speed fan*
21:17.54jbevrenheh
21:18.19jbevrenI've seen speeds in exess of 200MB/sec while reading a 6G file off the disk
21:18.30sunrunner20oh
21:18.31jbevrenxosview measures vfs speed though, so I dont trust it so much
21:18.33sunrunner20and this sucks
21:18.33jbevrenstill fun to see
21:18.42sunrunner20i finished my script for work
21:19.07sunrunner20and the guy next to me imidiatly told me that it should be working with any of the "E" looping elements
21:19.21sunrunner20so i had to bring it to 1.0.1 30 seconds after realeasing 1.0.0
21:19.51jbevrendoh :)
21:20.02sunrunner20good thing its an easy patch
21:20.15sunrunner20\w\w\w to \d\d\d
21:20.58sunrunner20*hates speedfans load time8
21:21.52sunrunner20ST3300622as
21:22.25sunrunner20i'm obsessed with the fact that you can have a dead silent top of the line PC
21:22.55sunrunner20http://sunrunner20.brainspore.net/files/imagegallerymodule/@random429e79e399d07/gallery2/IMG_2223.JPG
21:23.09sunrunner20year old picture of my desktop but its good enough
21:24.49davidc__sunrunner20: graph paper?
21:24.53sunrunner20yea
21:24.56sunrunner20final leak test
21:25.03sunrunner20printed on an inkjet
21:25.12jbevrenwhat, no cooling for the chipset?
21:25.13sunrunner201 drip of water and the lines would blur
21:25.16sunrunner20yea
21:25.23sunrunner20watercooling for the chipset is unnessacary
21:25.37jbevrenmy other gigabyte board
21:25.43davidc__sunrunner20: just immerse it all in distilled water?
21:25.43jbevrenthe noisiest fans are on the chipset and VRM
21:25.48sunrunner20takes away from the overall performance of the loop and doesn't cool the NB anymore than a hsf would
21:25.49davidc__sunrunner20: or in oil
21:26.01jbevrenlol :)
21:26.04sunrunner20davidc__: neither is a permenetly effective solution
21:26.25davidc__sunrunner20: if you conformal coat everything it is...
21:26.35davidc__[assuming your conformal coating doesn't cover heatsinks + etc
21:27.41sunrunner20then it all lacks portability
21:27.46sunrunner20i like my solutoin
21:27.59jbevrenfourth time today
21:28.02jbevrenfirefox jumps to 100% cpu
21:28.06jbevrenand I have to kill -9 it
21:32.03davidc__sunrunner20: add some hydrogen envelopes
21:34.56jbevrenjust attach a nitrogen canister to it
21:34.59jbevrenhehe
21:35.13jbevrenlet the liquid nitrogen slowly seep onto the cpu die
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21:47.42T0mWhum ho'
21:52.00jbevrenconcur
22:01.24sunrunner20well
22:01.28sunrunner20desktop is going down soon
22:01.49sunrunner20complete revamp of its nonessential systems
22:01.50sunrunner20aka
22:02.03sunrunner20redoing watercooling and neatening the wireing as much as i can
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22:24.44sunrunner20hey
22:24.52sunrunner20what electronics store is the one that will buy stuff off you?
22:25.36CosmicPenguin"Bobs moving truck?"
22:25.46sunrunner20lol not really
22:26.13prpplaguewe-buy-electronics-stuff-off-you-store.com?
22:26.58sunrunner20its one of the surplus stores
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22:44.43flybackbgmicro?
22:45.28sunrunner20yea
22:45.51prpplagueT0mW: ping
22:50.30sunrunner20because....
22:50.39sunrunner20*switches out video cards*
22:50.44sunrunner20no need for driver change
22:52.37sunrunner20well
22:52.40sunrunner20shuting down
22:52.48sunrunner20and coming back up w/ a POS video card
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23:53.00prpplagueanyone used sykeye?

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