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| 00:46.47 | flyback | j4k3 you can go back to your channel now, I left you big baby |
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| 13:25.24 | prpplague | wheeeee |
| 13:25.28 | prpplague | another freakin monday |
| 13:25.38 | prpplague | atleast my atm card is working now |
| 13:28.08 | prpplague | wow sandisk buys m-systems |
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| 13:33.54 | prpplague | i guess people are starting to realize that SCO has no chance of winning, their stock is at the lowest since before the case was annouced |
| 13:33.57 | prpplague | davidc__: greetings |
| 13:40.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you awake yet? |
| 14:02.52 | jbevren | prpplague: the pixter color lcd is notably larger than the pixter-mm |
| 14:03.07 | jbevren | however, if I plug the panel in upside down on the pixter-mm and center it on the lcd, it works |
| 14:03.09 | jbevren | heheh |
| 14:03.41 | prpplague | jbevren: cool |
| 14:03.58 | prpplague | jbevren: you mean the touch screen panel right? |
| 14:04.17 | jbevren | use -yeah |
| 14:04.18 | jbevren | er |
| 14:04.20 | jbevren | yeah |
| 14:04.32 | jbevren | I wonder if the pixter color lcd is compatible with the pixter mm |
| 14:05.08 | prpplague | probably not |
| 14:05.20 | prpplague | if you could get a number of it , that would be nice |
| 14:13.20 | jbevren | hm |
| 14:13.26 | jbevren | this board (gigabyte) has 3 temp sensors |
| 14:13.30 | jbevren | m/b, cpu, and temp3 |
| 14:13.34 | jbevren | any guesses on what temp3 is? |
| 14:13.38 | jbevren | (temp3 is highest at 71c) |
| 14:16.51 | [g2] | davidc__ congrats on the cmos camera hack! |
| 14:27.15 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: greetings |
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| 14:28.00 | CosmicPenguin | Greetings |
| 14:43.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: you've done some with qemu? |
| 14:43.21 | CosmicPenguin | very little |
| 14:43.23 | CosmicPenguin | it makes me angry |
| 14:43.39 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:43.44 | prpplague | pros/cons? |
| 14:44.15 | CosmicPenguin | pros is that it seems to be a decent emulator |
| 14:44.29 | jbevren | cons is that its a pita to set up and use |
| 14:44.41 | CosmicPenguin | cons is that it doesn't pay much attention to its device universe, so its usefulness is limited |
| 14:45.18 | CosmicPenguin | But in that regard I compare it to our own AMD simulator which does an exceptional job of emulating devices |
| 14:45.44 | prpplague | hmm |
| 14:45.49 | CosmicPenguin | But SImNow is developed more for the whole platform idea, whereas qemu only concerns itself with emulating the processor |
| 14:45.55 | CosmicPenguin | however, emulating the processor is not interesting to me |
| 14:46.31 | prpplague | simnow? |
| 14:46.36 | prpplague | not familiar with that |
| 14:46.43 | jbevren | prpplague: ping |
| 14:46.49 | prpplague | jbevren: pong |
| 14:46.57 | CosmicPenguin | its our internal simulator - if you were in the developer program you could get your hands on it,I think |
| 14:47.00 | jbevren | the pixter page on the wiki says the lcd is some VDS part |
| 14:47.02 | jbevren | mine's not |
| 14:47.11 | jbevren | WD-X1616w FPC-1 |
| 14:47.21 | jbevren | s/w/W/ |
| 14:47.46 | prpplague | jbevren: where are you reading that number from? |
| 14:48.05 | jbevren | the cable |
| 14:48.11 | jbevren | there's no other markings on the lcd module |
| 14:48.19 | jbevren | (I didnt separate the glass from its plastic surround) |
| 14:48.37 | jbevren | oh wait |
| 14:48.47 | prpplague | jbevren: ahh, i would bet thats the number for the calbe |
| 14:48.51 | prpplague | jbevren: "FPC" |
| 14:48.52 | jbevren | the above is silkscreened (white print) on the cable, |
| 14:49.03 | jbevren | possible, but th e cable's made for this lcd |
| 14:49.15 | jbevren | anyway, a similar ID is printed in ink (black) on the other end |
| 14:49.22 | jbevren | it ends in 1CLWa |
| 14:49.26 | prpplague | hmm |
| 14:49.29 | jbevren | but otherwise, no markings |
| 14:49.35 | prpplague | ahh ok thanks |
| 14:50.43 | jbevren | the glass seems to be glued in |
| 14:53.03 | prpplague | jbevren: yea its a pain to take the lcd out of the plastic |
| 14:53.31 | jbevren | I did it with the pixter-mm lcd |
| 14:53.32 | jbevren | that was easy heh |
| 14:53.37 | jbevren | but this one I'm not going to :P |
| 14:53.44 | jbevren | I was lucky to get the TS off without snappign it hehe |
| 14:55.07 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:56.31 | prpplague | hmm |
| 14:56.45 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: trying to decide on which emulator to use |
| 14:57.59 | CosmicPenguin | I don' |
| 14:58.07 | CosmicPenguin | Do you have a choice? |
| 14:59.16 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: skyeye, qemu, armulator , and couple other small ones |
| 14:59.55 | CosmicPenguin | when it comes to arm, I just don't know |
| 15:00.19 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:03.17 | prpplague | this emulation business seems rather interesting |
| 15:07.25 | prpplague | i wish tom would show up, i need to ask some questions about some dragonball stuff |
| 15:13.11 | prpplague | hmm |
| 15:13.42 | prpplague | anyone know what processor is in a palm iii? i see two different references, one says its a M68328 the other says its a M68EZ328 |
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| 15:19.28 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:22.16 | prpplague | chouimat: hey |
| 15:23.02 | prpplague | hmm the palm iiic seems to be ez based and the standard iii is basic 68328 |
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| 15:26.13 | jbevren_ | right |
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| 15:26.38 | prpplague | ho ho hum |
| 15:26.44 | prpplague | i have @$#%@#$ load of work to do |
| 15:26.52 | prpplague | and i have to pay bills today :( |
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| 15:32.52 | jbevren | prpplague: do you know which chip on the pixter color is the rom? |
| 15:33.29 | prpplague | yea one sec, let me grab a pic |
| 15:33.41 | jbevren | my guess is the one near the sram, considering board layout concepts |
| 15:33.47 | jbevren | (the sram and rom would share the bus) |
| 15:34.39 | prpplague | jbevren: yea, iirc its the one close to the sram |
| 15:34.48 | prpplague | jbevren: the other one contains the audio |
| 15:34.55 | jbevren | cool |
| 15:35.21 | jbevren | looks like ncs2 is exposed on the pcb too (as 'pb1', assuming that that jumper goes to pb1) |
| 15:35.30 | prpplague | jbevren: the audio on the pixter color is mainly using a pwm system |
| 15:36.31 | jbevren | gotcha |
| 15:37.11 | jbevren | hm 160k ram |
| 15:37.20 | jbevren | that's enough to poke at things I guess ;) |
| 15:37.24 | prpplague | yea |
| 15:37.45 | prpplague | jbevren: compared to some of the other lh75420 boards that are sold the pixter color is a bargin |
| 15:37.53 | jbevren | nod |
| 15:38.01 | prpplague | jbevren: sharp just amazes me with their stupidity |
| 15:38.04 | jbevren | this is a 75411, but still got some punch at 90mhz |
| 15:38.13 | prpplague | sorry thats what i meant |
| 15:38.17 | jbevren | nod |
| 15:38.26 | jbevren | I understood, but thought I'd clarify for the logs :) |
| 15:38.30 | prpplague | lh75411 + lh79520 |
| 15:38.32 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:39.01 | jbevren | wtf |
| 15:39.07 | prpplague | i wondering if i should be spending my time on these emulators |
| 15:39.09 | prpplague | jbevren: ?? |
| 15:39.14 | jbevren | I'm getting disconnected left and right from efnet |
| 15:39.24 | jbevren | screw it |
| 15:39.45 | jbevren | anyway, back to the subject ;-) |
| 15:40.03 | jbevren | the pads on the secondary side (underside using the wiki picture as the top) |
| 15:40.12 | jbevren | do they go to the pin they seem to describe? |
| 15:41.23 | prpplague | jbevren: sorry i do not know, i didn't think to check that |
| 15:41.29 | jbevren | hehe |
| 15:41.29 | jbevren | np |
| 15:41.36 | jbevren | they all go to the ssp |
| 15:41.41 | jbevren | (if so) |
| 15:42.00 | jbevren | there's a jumper for ncs0 like the mm has too heh |
| 15:42.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok here is the deal, i swore to myself not to do any projects that don't advance my understanding of embedded systems |
| 15:42.41 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: so the question is, doing this emulation stuff, does it fall under that |
| 15:43.01 | CosmicPenguin | sure it does |
| 15:43.05 | CosmicPenguin | undersatnding emulators is important |
| 15:43.25 | prpplague | even if its understand emulation of legacy hardware? |
| 15:43.37 | CosmicPenguin | With such big processors we have today, emulation is finally a reasonable option for embedded development |
| 15:45.40 | prpplague | yea, this is mainly looking to help maintain some old hardware |
| 15:46.14 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: they are looking to load up some specific programs on the simulated old hardware, then run a conversion tool to save it in a new format |
| 15:46.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: basically a recovery method |
| 15:46.49 | CosmicPenguin | sounds like fun |
| 15:46.54 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: yea |
| 15:47.10 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: it actually seems fun, just worried about not staying focused |
| 15:47.34 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: if i'm ever gonna "be someone" in this biz, i got to keep moving forward, hehe |
| 15:47.46 | CosmicPenguin | you have to do what you think is interesting |
| 15:47.58 | CosmicPenguin | Thats the most important thing |
| 15:49.20 | prpplague | hmmm |
| 15:49.30 | prpplague | i really need a palm iii rom image :( |
| 15:54.47 | chouimat | prpplague: apply to be a palm developer it's free ;) |
| 15:57.49 | prpplague | chouimat: yea, i'm always hesistant on doing things like that, as i have a number of NDA's i'm under |
| 15:58.29 | chouimat | prpplague: I didn't have to sign a NDA ... |
| 15:59.07 | prpplague | chouimat: yea, but the image stuff has licenses that might not be too friendly with my NDA's |
| 15:59.23 | chouimat | prpplague: I see ... |
| 15:59.38 | prpplague | its a real IP mine field these days |
| 16:00.55 | chouimat | prpplague: yup ... and if it's not NDA they give you nice NCA (which are basicly unenforceable here ... well most part of them) |
| 16:03.41 | prpplague | hmm, i regestered , but i haven't gotten an email yet |
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| 16:04.31 | prpplague | [g2]: hey hey |
| 16:05.04 | chouimat | prpplague: iirc you get a temp password and a day or 2 later a "official welcome email" |
| 16:05.26 | prpplague | chouimat: hmm |
| 16:06.08 | prpplague | chouimat: said i was suppose to get a confirmation email with a url, and if i didn't confirm within two hours the registration would be dumped |
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| 16:12.25 | davidc__ | [g2]: thanks |
| 16:14.10 | davidc__ | yo prpplague |
| 16:14.32 | prpplague | davidc__: whats cookin? |
| 16:14.46 | prpplague | davidc__: make any progress on some opensource stuff for the camera? |
| 16:14.48 | davidc__ | not much, just returning your hi from above |
| 16:14.56 | davidc__ | prpplague: not yet.. just gonna go to a complete statemachine design |
| 16:14.59 | davidc__ | gonna do that today |
| 16:15.07 | davidc__ | rather than trying to get this damn proc going |
| 16:15.56 | prpplague | ahh |
| 16:32.36 | [g2] | davidc__ do you know how fast the camera can take pictures ? |
| 16:33.46 | prpplague | iirc its rated up to 25mhz |
| 16:34.41 | [g2] | prpplague is it 8-bit per channel ? |
| 16:35.47 | jbevren | 6bit isnt it? |
| 16:35.56 | jbevren | gbrg or something |
| 16:36.33 | [g2] | ok so 64 colors ? |
| 16:36.42 | prpplague | [g2]: i've not looked in detail at how davidc__ is pulling the data, but from what i read in the documentation its doing 4+2+2 data |
| 16:37.31 | prpplague | [g2]: yea - YCbCr 4:2:2 |
| 16:38.20 | [g2] | sounds like one could easily do video with an appropriate storage subsystem |
| 16:38.26 | prpplague | yea |
| 16:38.44 | prpplague | [g2]: i would think it would be easy |
| 16:39.14 | prpplague | [g2]: there are several links on the camera page at sfe which are using similiar cameras in robotics with video |
| 16:43.08 | prpplague | chouimat: holy cow, what a license agreement |
| 16:43.49 | chouimat | prpplague: :) |
| 16:45.48 | prpplague | hmm |
| 16:46.00 | prpplague | chouimat: the roms from palm are for the EZ based devices :( |
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| 17:23.40 | jbevren | heh |
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| 17:40.58 | jbevren | hm |
| 17:47.17 | prpplague | chouimat: hey, i don't suppose you have one of the old palm debug roms do you? |
| 17:53.58 | jbevren | that would be fun to toy with on my spare palm ;-) |
| 17:56.35 | prpplague | jbevren: you have a palm? |
| 17:57.24 | prpplague | jbevren: which one? |
| 17:57.25 | chouimat | prpplague: probaly ... will take some time to search |
| 17:57.46 | prpplague | chouimat: i'd own you a couple of pints if you could locate one |
| 17:57.52 | chouimat | heh |
| 17:57.53 | chouimat | e |
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| 18:14.32 | jbevren | prpplague: two IIIxe's |
| 18:16.16 | prpplague | jbevren: doh |
| 18:16.25 | jbevren | doh? |
| 18:16.35 | prpplague | i need the standard III |
| 18:16.47 | jbevren | they have(had) them at surpluscomputers.com I think |
| 18:16.52 | jbevren | why do you need the standard III? |
| 18:16.55 | jbevren | the IIIxe just has more ram |
| 18:17.22 | prpplague | jbevren: the standard III is based on the M68328, the IIIxe is a M68EZ328 |
| 18:17.38 | jbevren | ahh |
| 18:17.47 | jbevren | wht's the difference between them (out of curiosity) |
| 18:18.15 | prpplague | jbevren: alot of the i/o are different plus the EZ has a built in booloader |
| 18:18.28 | jbevren | ah |
| 18:18.34 | jbevren | nod, I knew about the ez loader |
| 18:18.50 | jbevren | fishy/flyback kept asking me if I knew how to use it ;-) |
| 18:20.39 | chouimat | prpplague: none on the island? |
| 18:21.26 | prpplague | chouimat: yea, just don't fancy paying $800USD for it |
| 18:21.52 | chouimat | prpplague: ouch |
| 18:23.41 | prpplague | chouimat: the local businesses know they have everyone where they want them |
| 18:24.02 | prpplague | chouimat: most people can't order from the states since they don't have a US credit card, or US shipping address |
| 18:24.14 | prpplague | chouimat: when means they either have to go and get it , or buy it local |
| 18:25.14 | prpplague | chouimat: those little cheap dvd's players that they sell for $40USD, you know those? they sell for around $400USD here |
| 18:26.35 | prpplague | doh, i used to have a palm iii that i threw away, hehe |
| 18:26.38 | prpplague | just remember that |
| 18:28.02 | jbevren | man |
| 18:28.06 | jbevren | I'm opening a shop in barbados |
| 18:28.10 | jbevren | screw this admin job |
| 18:28.32 | jbevren | 1000% markup on hardware and geta way with it, that's the life |
| 18:30.15 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:30.26 | prpplague | hehe i found a demo system rom |
| 18:30.36 | prpplague | from ibm of all places |
| 18:52.04 | prpplague | hmm |
| 18:52.21 | prpplague | my application seems to be running, but i get some unhandled commands :( |
| 19:01.39 | prpplague | this emulator is totally fascinating |
| 19:05.58 | chouimat | prpplague: sorry doesn't have any palm 3 rom |
| 19:07.46 | prpplague | chouimat: ok thanks anyway |
| 19:10.04 | jbevren | I'm told that 4.2 runs on a 3xe |
| 19:10.12 | jbevren | but palm doesnt allow downloads :( |
| 19:10.13 | jbevren | heh |
| 19:15.33 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 19:15.45 | prpplague | jbevren: i need the old 3 |
| 19:15.57 | prpplague | jbevren: seems they took them down due to the grafiti lawsuit |
| 19:16.24 | prpplague | interesting stuff though |
| 19:16.31 | prpplague | hehe you could run this on the pixter easy |
| 19:18.38 | jbevren | nod |
| 19:18.46 | jbevren | I'd love to get the arm-native palm os and see it ported |
| 19:18.50 | jbevren | (I'd love to have the skill to do so) |
| 19:18.56 | prpplague | hehe |
| 19:19.28 | prpplague | tomorrow is a holiday here |
| 19:19.32 | prpplague | emancipation day |
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| 20:48.30 | prpplague | oh hell, sorphin is here, guess i'll have to leave, hehehe |
| 20:48.43 | sorphin | uh huh |
| 20:49.11 | CosmicPenguin | wow |
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| 20:51.50 | sorphin | and there's that KDE monkey |
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| 22:17.02 | sorphin | prpplague: get to work crackbaby |